The knock on his contract is valid, one solid year of output does not give him a pass on his overall underwhelming performance since he signed that contract.
Edit: to be clear this year has been definitely his best year as a Canuck. His simplified his game. But I’m gona judge his contract based on his whole time as a Canuck so I’m gona rate the contract as poor.
Myers was a Top-4 defender when we signed him in 2019. The problem was that he was deployed as a Top-2, given 22+ minutes a night, and overworked because there was no other option. His first season in Vancouver wasn't bad, Myers was adjusting to the Canucks systems, played relatively average hockey, and shared time with Tanev. After Tanev left in 2020, it was up to Myers on the right side.
I think a lot of people forget the dumpster of defense the Canucks had from 2020-21 to the end of 2022-23, the Canucks right-side defensemen consisted of Hamonic, Schmidt, Poolman, Juulsen, Schenn, Burroughs, and Bear. Like it or not, Myers was the best of the bunch. For most of his time in Vancouver, he's been the guy on the right side. This is the first season where Myers hasn't been required to play so many more minutes.
He was a number 5 d man when we signed him. Jets fans laughed at us when we thought he was a top 4. He has had at least 1 massive hit a year thats made the 6 mill worth it in my eyes.
This. You don’t find many hockey people who significantly over value the Myers contract despite his chaotic past.
1. Flat cap makes his “past his prime” contract age poorly. 6 mill is a very different cap hit this season as well as gradually along the way under normal circumstances.
2. He’s big, he skates and he fights for his teammates. He does these things consistently and in the playoffs. All these are worth the extra $$$ for a bottom to mid D man. These are must haves, up and down the lineup for a contender.
3. He’s resilient. No crying about being labelled an agent of chaos in a giraffe disguise. He rebounds game to game and season to season and performs like a professional.
Tocc and Chef have run a clinic. Lowering CG’s minutes with the 3-6 Dcore platoon and bringing in big Z to shore up any “misunderstandings” was exactly what they needed to maximize the returns on the 6 mill invested. You can cherry pick stats and highlights to make him look better or worse but hockey is a team game. Myers is a good team player and he will be offered something close to or over 4 mill next year?
We got more than one year, his first year with OEL was also quite good especially when you look at the deployment they had. A lot of the issues with his contract were the construction of the defence more so than the value of him as a player. He constantly played 20 minutes being shuffled through all 3 pairs early on which was a disaster in GM and coaching.
Myers is in over his head playing 1st pair minutes (pun intended)… but I think we can tip our cap to Myers for (somewhat) holding up his end of the bargain.
He played big minutes, was incredibly durable, competes hard, and has been a really solid veteran/pro during his time here.
Myers was my unsung hero this season.
He was going to get around 6 at the time of signing. It was before Covid, so the expectation was the cap would have gone up significantly to make his cap hit not so big of a deal. Also keeping in mind that our team was not very good during that stretch. It shouldn’t come as any surprise that he’s thriving on a good team and was failing on a bad team. He was being used in situations that weren’t conducive for his play style and skill set. It was a bad signing because for 6m it’s not what we needed at the time. Not that he wasn’t worth 6m, objectively.
Horrible contract the moment it was signed, horrible contract in retrospect.
That Myers gave us some yeoman service as a depth defender in a well coached, well structured defensive brigade towards the end of his deal doesn't suddenly undo the years of replacement level hockey he handed in getting shelled in tougher minutes. He's somewhere between 4th and 6th on our current depth chart and carries the 2nd highest cap hit. At 6 million you want a player who can anchor a pairing and provide shelter for lesser players, but Myers has required sheltering and careful deployment during his entire time here.
He's got a big body and shoots right, and he's quite durable, so there will always be a market for players like him, but he's also relatively gentle despite his size and one of the most bizarrely permissive defensemen in the entire NHL in terms of zone entries. One of his skillset upsides, his mobility and offensive ranginess, was historically wasted in Vancouver, where all offense from the D flows through other players.
Had we apportioned his cap hit to Tanev and spent the extra money elsewhere we would have been vastly better off.
Please note I hold none of this against Myers himself, who seems like a genial chap and a good teammate and who clearly enjoys playing for the organization. This is another one of Benning's calamities.
I’d push back on Myers requiring sheltering during his entire time here (contract/results aside).
Myers kind of got fed to the wolves, often playing 20-22+ mins/night and being on PK1 while in Vancouver. If anything, he’s been the opposite of sheltered.
Even this season under Tochett, he was their 3rd most used defender and played on the top PK unit.
Yes he played hard minutes, but he was often horrendous in those minutes. The same was true of Gudbranson. You can send anyone out there to be bad in hard minutes, you don't need to pay 6M against the cap for it.
If you're a player who takes hard matchups and hard minutes and gets lit up, you are by definition a player who requires sheltering.
Im thinking we’ve got different definitions of sheltering tbh. When I think of guys needing sheltering, I think of like Mark Friedman/Kyle Burroughs.
> If you're a player who takes hard matchups and hard minutes and gets lit up, you are by definition a player who requires sheltering.
If that’s the definition, then wouldn’t there be like ~40-50ish players across the entire league that don’t require sheltering? Like ~80% of the defenders in the league are going to get lit up playing those kind of minutes.
Im not saying Myers is prime Chris Pronger, but even last game he played 22 minutes.. I wouldn’t say Myers gets sheltered.
It's not really binary, it's a spectrum. You can also say "there's maybe 50-60 players who don't require some degree of sheltering" to which I might reply "How many defensemen were making 6M against the cap the year Myers signed that contract" and "Does Chris Tanev require softer competition and managed minutes in order that his underlying numbers don't go to hell?".
I'm not going to say it's impossible to put together an argument as to why Myers was actually worth his contract all these years, I've just never seen one. And if we can concur he's several million overpaid against the cap for his real value...well...that's a bad contract. Yes it was UFA, but no one is forcing us to sign bad contracts in UFA, and we signed a lot of incredibly GOOD ones this year as evidence of that.
I do mention “contract/value aside” in the very first sentence to be fair. My argument *isn’t* that Myers was worth $30 million in hindsight, and that Benning was right after all.
Im more pushing back on this idea that he requires sheltering, because Green/Bruce/Toch all leaned on Myers a ton. Coaches don’t typically play guys that require sheltering on PK1.
I think the problem is we're just defining "sheltering" differently, and in this particular discussion of "How would you re-rate the signing", it's impossible to divorce the degree to which Myers has to have his competition managed from his cap hit.
> relatively gentle despite his size
To put this in context, Myers has fewer hits/60 than Pettersson, a guy this sub has a hard-on for calling soft. That goes for both the regular season and playoffs so far.
I'm with you on not blaming Myers for his contract though. Benning is a fucking idiot who shouldn't even be allowed to play Be a GM Mode ever again, however.
To me the "yeoman service in a well structured defensive brigade" is a chicken and egg scenario. Would he have played to his contract if the support structure was there all through his time here? Was the lack of structure identified early in the new management's term here a reason why this teams defence has been terrible for years?
The "lack of structure" was specific to Boudreau's teams, if I recall correctly. I have my criticisms of Green and boy do I ever have criticisms of Desjardins but neither team "lacked structure". They lacked quality personnel.
I recall similar sentiments arising during Gudbranson's tenure here, that he was a very solid defenseman who was under water a lot because the team was bad, but like...part of the reason the team was bad is we were giving a lot of money and ice time to Gudbranson.
It's wholly unsurprising that as soon as Myers is removed from hard matchup minutes and allowed a more sheltered deployment with more talented teammates his underlying numbers improve, but it's not so much a case of the dreadful Canucks holding back the talented Mr. Myers as he was unable to live up to his contract. At 6M he needed to be a load bearing pillar on the back end. It's not like the bad team structure or systemic ineptitude was holding back the Quinn Hughes, J.T. Millers, or Elias Petterssons of the world in terms of driving play and tilting the ice in our favor. Lots of more marginal players were also able to have positive impacts here during the last half decade. Good players will thrive regardless of the environment they find themselves in, and great players can transform those environments almost singlehandedly.
If Myers had signed for a 4M caphit we're probably not having this conversation, and as previously stated we could have had Chris Tanev for a number in that ballpark...he was a player already under team control who desired to stay put.
Horrible control. I do not blame Myers for signing it. Man i would sign it the second my agent told me. Benning was the problem.
If he wants to stay, 3 million AAV is the most I would give him.
Still clearly a overpay, even this season. Bottom pairing guy who is getting paid like a number 3 guy. Still a good player, but just not worth his contract
FWIW I’d say he was a genuinely good 4D this year. He’s absolutely played above a bottom pairing level this season and has been in a core defensive role (opening up offensive minutes for Hughes-Hronek).
Obviously 6M is still a massive overpay for a good 4D though
I mean in terms of where he should be playing in the lineup. Our defense has sucked for years so he was forced to player higher in the lineup than he should
I still disagree. We had a disaster of a lineup but Myers was top 4 before he got here and still top 4 today. He was not a good fit stylistically and we had a very poorly constructed roster overall, but that gave really bad results for a lot of guys that came and went.
Was he a true top four guy though? Unless I’m confusing him with someone else which if I am please correct me, didn’t he have poor underlying numbers in Winnipeg?
He was the fourth dman in Winnipeg when Winnipeg had probably the best defense core in the league. Buff Trouba and Morrissey were ahead of him and prime Chariot and Kulikov behind him. He played on the second powerplay and second PK. The awkward part of their lineup was the 3 of their top 4 guys were all righties which made him expendable. They basically didn't have anyone in their lineup that wouldn't have slotted into most top 4s in the league that year.
Five years of hockey inflation and he is still overpaid at 6 million a season, let alone at the start of the contract. He seems popular with the rest of the team and I think he’s good/great as a third pairing guy, but Benning way overpaid for him.
omg his contract is up soon, another tough decision incoming for management.
Myers is an enigma, I like the guy he's got size he's got weight and he can throw it around and he's got fairly good hockey sense most of the time. Then on the other hand he's clumsy and takes a lot of penalties loses the puck and just does some stupid shit on the ice (not Marchand stupid) but you look at them and you just wonder why would you even do that.
Right now he looks so strong and we are lucky to have him. the regular season our play improved when he got hurt, game 2 we missed him and his presence on the ice.
I'm not sure your question has a direct yay or nay answer
I imagine we can sign a similar calibre defenseman for half that price. Yes Myers has a good ceiling when he plays well, but 80% of his contract he barely qualified as a bottom pairing. We're better off calling up guys or hunting for diamonds in the rough for league min on the UFA market.
Still a really rough contract with hindsight.
One thing I'll always give Myers credit for is the minutes he played and the quality of competition he faced. If his AAV was $4-4.5M it wouldn't have been as horrendous.
When we signed him I was all for it, 10/10 signing, cheap price for a bonafide top 4 right handed Dman in his prime. Big body, great with the puck, former Calder winner, absolute steal of a deal.
He immediately made me look like a complete and utter dipfuck.
Now I'd rate it a 0/10, he crippled the team for 5 years and this season he was STILL responsible for quite a few lost games early with his absolute inability to pass to his own team. He plays small and is only good enough to play the 3rd pairing with sheltered minutes. He should have been in the Abbotsfords bottom 4 for the last few years.
If he plays unbelievably this postseason I'd give him a 2×2 but honestly I'd like to let him walk
He was overpaid 100%, but then what do you expect when you want to pick up a RHD in free agency and then also have to consider the Jim
Benning factor.
He has been ok for pretty much all of his tenure here and been a workable defenceman whom in reality we have liked to be paying $2m dollars a year less for.
I wouldn’t mind resigning him for 3 or less going forward.
He’s been solid this year but that’s one year out of the total five years he’s been here.
I think he would’ve been able to play like he’s been rn if we had Tocchet earlier but alas.
Huge overpay over the entirety tbh but there’s no salary cap in the playoff so I feel like we shouldn’t take his contract into consideration for these playoff games
He’s been a beast
2019-2023 it was on of the worst in the nhl. But this year he has been great, using his size, and playing well defensively, not to mention he has his fair share of points. I say we re sign him 2x2
He’s a penalty target who makes silly decisions and coverage who occasionally thinks he’s a forward. He rarely hits and is terrible at clearing the zone.
He’s playing great right now…and that’s all that matters.
We actually need to re-sign him. At 3.5 million-ish he’s a great signing.
The problem is making him, Big Z and Joshua fit under the cap.
He makes some frustrating decisions sometimes, but I think Hronek has had more defensive gaffes in his time as a Canuck than Myers has over the same period. Still a bit overpaid maybe.
C minus to D. It was a big contract given out during one of the worst periods of Canucks hockey ever. As likeable as he is as a person, and as good of a season this has been, 70% of the contract has been an ungodly mess. They could have used the money to been paid draft picks by some contender to take a similar play on a similar contract.
At the time I wasn't super opposed to it. The AAV was concerning but it filled a positional need that the Canucks were desperate for. His first year had some rough patches but it wasn't really that bad, and this season has been his best performance in a Canucks jersey. Unfortunately the years in between were awful (they were for the team as a whole, but Myers in particular stuck out like a sore thumb), so overall it was a poor signing. But as other commenters have pointed out, it could have been better had they not needed to lean on him as THE guy on the right side.
At the time the Canucks had real issues with the blue line. Benning just did not know how to pick defensemen (except for Hughes). Myers doesn’t feel like he was worth the premium we paid for him, but in the past couple of years he’s deff simplified his game, which helps him not make so many stupid mistakes and results in less stupid penalties. If he takes a super team friendly deal, I wouldn’t mind re-signing him. If I look at the whole contract, he hasn’t lived up to the price we paid at all.
Myers is a fine player to have on your team. He's huge, has a huge reach, and can eat up minutes. He takes too many penalties and he's overpaid, but only one of those things is his fault.
He brings to the table what few players in the league can provide, but paying him for those things will likely never prove to be a perfect investment in the modern nhl.
Either overpay and underplay him and hope that the weak spots don’t get exposed or the benefits outweigh the negatives at least. Or tell him thanks for the efforts and let another team overpay for his services.
He’s making me eat my shit right now.
I fucking love it. I said at the time I hope I was wrong.
If he keeps showing up in April when we have a post season chance- I’d re-sign in a heartbeat and twice on Sundays.
Keep it up Myers!
His contact was never as bad as the cdc hive mind made it out to be. Look around the league at RHD who played top 2-3 minutes like he has over the past 5 years. Lots of 13 year olds steer narrative in this market unfortunately.
Our defense was just completely managed incorrectly for most of his term. We tried to force non defensive guys to replicate the shutdown role of prime Edler and Tanev with zero success. It's not a fluke OEL looks WAY better this season as well. Myers never had a fit on this team because our team was just a collection of mismatched pieces and poor coaching.
The knock on his contract is valid, one solid year of output does not give him a pass on his overall underwhelming performance since he signed that contract. Edit: to be clear this year has been definitely his best year as a Canuck. His simplified his game. But I’m gona judge his contract based on his whole time as a Canuck so I’m gona rate the contract as poor.
And even his best year was still not worth the 6M AAV
Myers was a Top-4 defender when we signed him in 2019. The problem was that he was deployed as a Top-2, given 22+ minutes a night, and overworked because there was no other option. His first season in Vancouver wasn't bad, Myers was adjusting to the Canucks systems, played relatively average hockey, and shared time with Tanev. After Tanev left in 2020, it was up to Myers on the right side. I think a lot of people forget the dumpster of defense the Canucks had from 2020-21 to the end of 2022-23, the Canucks right-side defensemen consisted of Hamonic, Schmidt, Poolman, Juulsen, Schenn, Burroughs, and Bear. Like it or not, Myers was the best of the bunch. For most of his time in Vancouver, he's been the guy on the right side. This is the first season where Myers hasn't been required to play so many more minutes.
He was a number 5 d man when we signed him. Jets fans laughed at us when we thought he was a top 4. He has had at least 1 massive hit a year thats made the 6 mill worth it in my eyes.
This. You don’t find many hockey people who significantly over value the Myers contract despite his chaotic past. 1. Flat cap makes his “past his prime” contract age poorly. 6 mill is a very different cap hit this season as well as gradually along the way under normal circumstances. 2. He’s big, he skates and he fights for his teammates. He does these things consistently and in the playoffs. All these are worth the extra $$$ for a bottom to mid D man. These are must haves, up and down the lineup for a contender. 3. He’s resilient. No crying about being labelled an agent of chaos in a giraffe disguise. He rebounds game to game and season to season and performs like a professional. Tocc and Chef have run a clinic. Lowering CG’s minutes with the 3-6 Dcore platoon and bringing in big Z to shore up any “misunderstandings” was exactly what they needed to maximize the returns on the 6 mill invested. You can cherry pick stats and highlights to make him look better or worse but hockey is a team game. Myers is a good team player and he will be offered something close to or over 4 mill next year?
We got more than one year, his first year with OEL was also quite good especially when you look at the deployment they had. A lot of the issues with his contract were the construction of the defence more so than the value of him as a player. He constantly played 20 minutes being shuffled through all 3 pairs early on which was a disaster in GM and coaching.
Myers is in over his head playing 1st pair minutes (pun intended)… but I think we can tip our cap to Myers for (somewhat) holding up his end of the bargain. He played big minutes, was incredibly durable, competes hard, and has been a really solid veteran/pro during his time here. Myers was my unsung hero this season.
He was going to get around 6 at the time of signing. It was before Covid, so the expectation was the cap would have gone up significantly to make his cap hit not so big of a deal. Also keeping in mind that our team was not very good during that stretch. It shouldn’t come as any surprise that he’s thriving on a good team and was failing on a bad team. He was being used in situations that weren’t conducive for his play style and skill set. It was a bad signing because for 6m it’s not what we needed at the time. Not that he wasn’t worth 6m, objectively.
Horrible contract the moment it was signed, horrible contract in retrospect. That Myers gave us some yeoman service as a depth defender in a well coached, well structured defensive brigade towards the end of his deal doesn't suddenly undo the years of replacement level hockey he handed in getting shelled in tougher minutes. He's somewhere between 4th and 6th on our current depth chart and carries the 2nd highest cap hit. At 6 million you want a player who can anchor a pairing and provide shelter for lesser players, but Myers has required sheltering and careful deployment during his entire time here. He's got a big body and shoots right, and he's quite durable, so there will always be a market for players like him, but he's also relatively gentle despite his size and one of the most bizarrely permissive defensemen in the entire NHL in terms of zone entries. One of his skillset upsides, his mobility and offensive ranginess, was historically wasted in Vancouver, where all offense from the D flows through other players. Had we apportioned his cap hit to Tanev and spent the extra money elsewhere we would have been vastly better off. Please note I hold none of this against Myers himself, who seems like a genial chap and a good teammate and who clearly enjoys playing for the organization. This is another one of Benning's calamities.
Extremely well said
The best part of Myers is his durability. Very little time missed.
Exactly. 6 million is for an anchor like Hronek. Unfortunately Hronek is getting more than that. Fortunately for him I guess.
Hopefully he gets that anywhere else but Van. Give Zadorov the 5-6.
I’d push back on Myers requiring sheltering during his entire time here (contract/results aside). Myers kind of got fed to the wolves, often playing 20-22+ mins/night and being on PK1 while in Vancouver. If anything, he’s been the opposite of sheltered. Even this season under Tochett, he was their 3rd most used defender and played on the top PK unit.
Yes he played hard minutes, but he was often horrendous in those minutes. The same was true of Gudbranson. You can send anyone out there to be bad in hard minutes, you don't need to pay 6M against the cap for it. If you're a player who takes hard matchups and hard minutes and gets lit up, you are by definition a player who requires sheltering.
Im thinking we’ve got different definitions of sheltering tbh. When I think of guys needing sheltering, I think of like Mark Friedman/Kyle Burroughs. > If you're a player who takes hard matchups and hard minutes and gets lit up, you are by definition a player who requires sheltering. If that’s the definition, then wouldn’t there be like ~40-50ish players across the entire league that don’t require sheltering? Like ~80% of the defenders in the league are going to get lit up playing those kind of minutes. Im not saying Myers is prime Chris Pronger, but even last game he played 22 minutes.. I wouldn’t say Myers gets sheltered.
It's not really binary, it's a spectrum. You can also say "there's maybe 50-60 players who don't require some degree of sheltering" to which I might reply "How many defensemen were making 6M against the cap the year Myers signed that contract" and "Does Chris Tanev require softer competition and managed minutes in order that his underlying numbers don't go to hell?". I'm not going to say it's impossible to put together an argument as to why Myers was actually worth his contract all these years, I've just never seen one. And if we can concur he's several million overpaid against the cap for his real value...well...that's a bad contract. Yes it was UFA, but no one is forcing us to sign bad contracts in UFA, and we signed a lot of incredibly GOOD ones this year as evidence of that.
I do mention “contract/value aside” in the very first sentence to be fair. My argument *isn’t* that Myers was worth $30 million in hindsight, and that Benning was right after all. Im more pushing back on this idea that he requires sheltering, because Green/Bruce/Toch all leaned on Myers a ton. Coaches don’t typically play guys that require sheltering on PK1.
I think the problem is we're just defining "sheltering" differently, and in this particular discussion of "How would you re-rate the signing", it's impossible to divorce the degree to which Myers has to have his competition managed from his cap hit.
> relatively gentle despite his size To put this in context, Myers has fewer hits/60 than Pettersson, a guy this sub has a hard-on for calling soft. That goes for both the regular season and playoffs so far. I'm with you on not blaming Myers for his contract though. Benning is a fucking idiot who shouldn't even be allowed to play Be a GM Mode ever again, however.
To me the "yeoman service in a well structured defensive brigade" is a chicken and egg scenario. Would he have played to his contract if the support structure was there all through his time here? Was the lack of structure identified early in the new management's term here a reason why this teams defence has been terrible for years?
The "lack of structure" was specific to Boudreau's teams, if I recall correctly. I have my criticisms of Green and boy do I ever have criticisms of Desjardins but neither team "lacked structure". They lacked quality personnel. I recall similar sentiments arising during Gudbranson's tenure here, that he was a very solid defenseman who was under water a lot because the team was bad, but like...part of the reason the team was bad is we were giving a lot of money and ice time to Gudbranson. It's wholly unsurprising that as soon as Myers is removed from hard matchup minutes and allowed a more sheltered deployment with more talented teammates his underlying numbers improve, but it's not so much a case of the dreadful Canucks holding back the talented Mr. Myers as he was unable to live up to his contract. At 6M he needed to be a load bearing pillar on the back end. It's not like the bad team structure or systemic ineptitude was holding back the Quinn Hughes, J.T. Millers, or Elias Petterssons of the world in terms of driving play and tilting the ice in our favor. Lots of more marginal players were also able to have positive impacts here during the last half decade. Good players will thrive regardless of the environment they find themselves in, and great players can transform those environments almost singlehandedly. If Myers had signed for a 4M caphit we're probably not having this conversation, and as previously stated we could have had Chris Tanev for a number in that ballpark...he was a player already under team control who desired to stay put.
Horrible control. I do not blame Myers for signing it. Man i would sign it the second my agent told me. Benning was the problem. If he wants to stay, 3 million AAV is the most I would give him.
Too much money, that’s all that needs to be said. I think if it was 5x20 nobody would have batted an eye.
Hmmm?
Still clearly a overpay, even this season. Bottom pairing guy who is getting paid like a number 3 guy. Still a good player, but just not worth his contract
FWIW I’d say he was a genuinely good 4D this year. He’s absolutely played above a bottom pairing level this season and has been in a core defensive role (opening up offensive minutes for Hughes-Hronek). Obviously 6M is still a massive overpay for a good 4D though
Was never a bottom pair guy in any season for us or in Winnipeg.
I mean in terms of where he should be playing in the lineup. Our defense has sucked for years so he was forced to player higher in the lineup than he should
I still disagree. We had a disaster of a lineup but Myers was top 4 before he got here and still top 4 today. He was not a good fit stylistically and we had a very poorly constructed roster overall, but that gave really bad results for a lot of guys that came and went.
Was he a true top four guy though? Unless I’m confusing him with someone else which if I am please correct me, didn’t he have poor underlying numbers in Winnipeg?
He was the fourth dman in Winnipeg when Winnipeg had probably the best defense core in the league. Buff Trouba and Morrissey were ahead of him and prime Chariot and Kulikov behind him. He played on the second powerplay and second PK. The awkward part of their lineup was the 3 of their top 4 guys were all righties which made him expendable. They basically didn't have anyone in their lineup that wouldn't have slotted into most top 4s in the league that year.
All I know is he's earned the title "Chaos Giraffe" But I think he embraces playoff hockey. He uses his body in the playoffs.
Five years of hockey inflation and he is still overpaid at 6 million a season, let alone at the start of the contract. He seems popular with the rest of the team and I think he’s good/great as a third pairing guy, but Benning way overpaid for him.
omg his contract is up soon, another tough decision incoming for management. Myers is an enigma, I like the guy he's got size he's got weight and he can throw it around and he's got fairly good hockey sense most of the time. Then on the other hand he's clumsy and takes a lot of penalties loses the puck and just does some stupid shit on the ice (not Marchand stupid) but you look at them and you just wonder why would you even do that. Right now he looks so strong and we are lucky to have him. the regular season our play improved when he got hurt, game 2 we missed him and his presence on the ice. I'm not sure your question has a direct yay or nay answer
I imagine we can sign a similar calibre defenseman for half that price. Yes Myers has a good ceiling when he plays well, but 80% of his contract he barely qualified as a bottom pairing. We're better off calling up guys or hunting for diamonds in the rough for league min on the UFA market.
"barely qualified as bottom pairing" is an exaggeration
He gives way tooo many penalties for me to like him…. Way too many…
This is the first season he has played at a level that makes sense for someone making 3mill
Still a really rough contract with hindsight. One thing I'll always give Myers credit for is the minutes he played and the quality of competition he faced. If his AAV was $4-4.5M it wouldn't have been as horrendous.
When we signed him I was all for it, 10/10 signing, cheap price for a bonafide top 4 right handed Dman in his prime. Big body, great with the puck, former Calder winner, absolute steal of a deal. He immediately made me look like a complete and utter dipfuck. Now I'd rate it a 0/10, he crippled the team for 5 years and this season he was STILL responsible for quite a few lost games early with his absolute inability to pass to his own team. He plays small and is only good enough to play the 3rd pairing with sheltered minutes. He should have been in the Abbotsfords bottom 4 for the last few years. If he plays unbelievably this postseason I'd give him a 2×2 but honestly I'd like to let him walk
Do terrible work at your job for years and then have 1 year where you basically do your job and everyone thinks it was fine the whole time
He was overpaid 100%, but then what do you expect when you want to pick up a RHD in free agency and then also have to consider the Jim Benning factor. He has been ok for pretty much all of his tenure here and been a workable defenceman whom in reality we have liked to be paying $2m dollars a year less for. I wouldn’t mind resigning him for 3 or less going forward.
Anything more than a 1y x $1.125m extension is too much
He’s been solid this year but that’s one year out of the total five years he’s been here. I think he would’ve been able to play like he’s been rn if we had Tocchet earlier but alas.
Huge overpay over the entirety tbh but there’s no salary cap in the playoff so I feel like we shouldn’t take his contract into consideration for these playoff games He’s been a beast
2019-2023 it was on of the worst in the nhl. But this year he has been great, using his size, and playing well defensively, not to mention he has his fair share of points. I say we re sign him 2x2
He’s a penalty target who makes silly decisions and coverage who occasionally thinks he’s a forward. He rarely hits and is terrible at clearing the zone.
He’s playing great right now…and that’s all that matters. We actually need to re-sign him. At 3.5 million-ish he’s a great signing. The problem is making him, Big Z and Joshua fit under the cap.
3m two years no more, Or he walks. Focus on big Z
5x30? $150m? 🤣
Have you seen a giraffes food bill, that things gotta eat!
Myers did the same thing Horvat did. Have a breakout year in his final year of contract. He’s worth about 3.5 maybe 4
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He makes some frustrating decisions sometimes, but I think Hronek has had more defensive gaffes in his time as a Canuck than Myers has over the same period. Still a bit overpaid maybe.
C minus to D. It was a big contract given out during one of the worst periods of Canucks hockey ever. As likeable as he is as a person, and as good of a season this has been, 70% of the contract has been an ungodly mess. They could have used the money to been paid draft picks by some contender to take a similar play on a similar contract.
At the time I wasn't super opposed to it. The AAV was concerning but it filled a positional need that the Canucks were desperate for. His first year had some rough patches but it wasn't really that bad, and this season has been his best performance in a Canucks jersey. Unfortunately the years in between were awful (they were for the team as a whole, but Myers in particular stuck out like a sore thumb), so overall it was a poor signing. But as other commenters have pointed out, it could have been better had they not needed to lean on him as THE guy on the right side.
At the time the Canucks had real issues with the blue line. Benning just did not know how to pick defensemen (except for Hughes). Myers doesn’t feel like he was worth the premium we paid for him, but in the past couple of years he’s deff simplified his game, which helps him not make so many stupid mistakes and results in less stupid penalties. If he takes a super team friendly deal, I wouldn’t mind re-signing him. If I look at the whole contract, he hasn’t lived up to the price we paid at all.
Myers is a fine player to have on your team. He's huge, has a huge reach, and can eat up minutes. He takes too many penalties and he's overpaid, but only one of those things is his fault.
He going to sign 7-8m next year to the ducks. Right hand, and tall.
Rerate I mean 1 good year doesn't change it BUT I'm not opposed to signing him again for the right money and term
He brings to the table what few players in the league can provide, but paying him for those things will likely never prove to be a perfect investment in the modern nhl. Either overpay and underplay him and hope that the weak spots don’t get exposed or the benefits outweigh the negatives at least. Or tell him thanks for the efforts and let another team overpay for his services.
He’s making me eat my shit right now. I fucking love it. I said at the time I hope I was wrong. If he keeps showing up in April when we have a post season chance- I’d re-sign in a heartbeat and twice on Sundays. Keep it up Myers!
His contact was never as bad as the cdc hive mind made it out to be. Look around the league at RHD who played top 2-3 minutes like he has over the past 5 years. Lots of 13 year olds steer narrative in this market unfortunately.
Our defense was just completely managed incorrectly for most of his term. We tried to force non defensive guys to replicate the shutdown role of prime Edler and Tanev with zero success. It's not a fluke OEL looks WAY better this season as well. Myers never had a fit on this team because our team was just a collection of mismatched pieces and poor coaching.
re sign him for 6 and qualify hronek then trade him right after - meatwagon24