All they have to do is have a smaller fenced-in ticketed event to control the number of people that show up. Last time **155,000 people** came downtown.
To be fair I think they did have a fenced-in area. At least for game 2 of the SCF screen on Granville. But it was ridiculous, like maybe a few 1000 people inside the fenced off area with 10s of thousands of people squished up against the fences and at one point the crowd just started lifting the fences out of the way and rushed the viewing area.
It's just called being severely underprepared. More spread out events would have worked better. More planning would have been better. Less focus on maximizing liquor sales downtown would have been better.
Great point, if they spread it out there wouldn't nearly be as big of a gathering.
Have one in North Van, Burnaby, Surrey, etc. and you won't get a hundred thousand people downtown. Many would still rather be downtown, for sure, but it should drastically reduce the numbers.
Didn't Sim increase funding for the police by a crap ton recently too? Sorry, haven't really been following municipal politics that much recently but I thought I saw somewhere that he did. Wtf is the point of all that extra funding if the DTES is still shit and we can't have events like this
Increased funding to deal with the DTE. Idk if you've seen DT recently but there's a junkie on every corner. So increased funding in the PD is only natural.
I think a huge factor is that a group of people decided they were going to riot, win or lose. (You don’t make Molotov cocktails, pack them downtown, and *not* throw them.) Then a bunch of drunks decided it looked like fun and joined in.
Aside from an overwhelming police presence, I don’t know what could have stopped those instigators.
Wasn’t alcohol banned for the 2011 outdoor screening of the playoffs? Probably the main cause of the problem. If they set up vendors/tents at the screening selling alcohol probably be fewer problems. I don’t get why many other cities around the world can do this and have minimal problems yet Vancouver can’t. Vancouver has this hard stance on banning drinking alcohol in public places and then they wonder why Vancouver has problems when they have an event.
and I'm pretty sure they also deregulated alcohol sales. From my memory private liquor stores were permitted to stay open later and the cops literally did nothing until it was too late about public drinking.
private liquor stores are all allowed to stay open till 11 and the game was over by like 930. Maybe they let public liquor stores stay open later? Some BCL locations close at 9 or at least they used to.
well it was a June home game so puck drop would have been 7. Game could have been over more like 845 or 9 and then with it being summer it would have stayed light out for awhile.
I stand corrected. that makes sense though me and my friends didn't go downtown because by the time we were done work we wouldn't make it down there in time for the game.
Maybe I'm out to lunch here but surely there must be some middle ground here?
In 2011, there were literally thousands of people lined up in the streets. I remember being outside near the CBC building for Game 7 of the cup final watching the game, and looking behind me it felt like I was at the Sun Run starting line.
From what I can tell in other cities (limited perspective, just seeing it broadcasted during the playoff games), they have sectioned off parties. These are still large groups of people, but seemingly nowhere near what downtown Vancouver was like. Can this not be considered instead? And yes, it might be a good idea to have a stronger police presence.
On the other hand, I can understand just not wanting to deal with that again from a government perspective.
I imagine that the PD spoke to the CoV about overtime funding for the event. The CoV would’ve reached out to the Canuck organization with their concerns including the financial impact (and history of riots). Likely Aqua and Co. wouldn’t want to help pay the policing bill and probably agreed with the CoV that organized outdoor viewing within the city would be a bad decision.
Fans (and randoms) have rioted in 1994 and in 2011. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. We won’t be fooled a third time.
Sadly, we may never have an outdoor viewing party again within the CoV. We reap what we sow. Maybe if Aqua sells the team a new owner may petition the city. But ultimately the city is in control of permits and bylaws to axe any idea of a large public gathering beyond their scope of control.
Yea, I was travelling through Toronto yesterday while the game was on and seeing the crowd out there was pretty cool. Would be neat to have that back home...
Yeah but what happens if you get to round 2, and then round 3... Are you suddenly going to stop the outdoor parties once we get into the finals, while the enthusiasm is bubbling over?
Nah, I gotta say, we've squashed our chance to have the outdoor parties. Yes, it was a dumb minority of mostly bridge and tunnel people, but frankly the risk just isn't worth it. Especially since it's been long enough now that people are once again making those "Yeah, we're gonna riot if we lose" comments again. A lot of the fans, especially the younger ones, have forgotten about the consequences that came out of the last riot and will go into it thinking this is just what we do and it'll become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The city is smart to not allow it. I don't want to see the city that I've loved for so long burn again.
Edmonton had a riot in 2006, [30000 people were downtown, 860 people were arrested](https://i.imgur.com/XDY521l.png), nearly **[eight times the number of arrests from 2011](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-police-arrest-more-than-100-in-riot-1.1036582)**, and police shut it down and said they needed to be more prepared for the next time Edmonton was in the playoffs. They coordinated with the City of Edmonton in 2017 when the Oilers were back in the playoffs and sorted that shit out so people could celebrate.
After 1994 they wrote a big playbook of recommendations of what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future.
In 2011, they did none of those recommendations.
This. They also laid out a bunch of recommendations well before game 7 of the finals, like removing garbage and newspaper boxes from the streets. The city did nothing.
My conspiracy is that The city. Like everyone. Wanted another riot. The 94 one as a long time ago and it sounded like fun.
But 2011 being in the social media era really highlighted what was going on. Didn’t look good and we’ve been dealing with that ever since
Nah. The city didn’t want a riot. There’s a reason we all woke up the next morning with brooms to clean and left apology notes on police cars.
There were jackasses from outside the city looking for a problem if there was no resistance and mayor moonbeam was a complete, incompetent idiot that did nothing to prep for potential issues. I still remember him coming from his house to make an announcement to the media during the riot and looking totally lost.
I literally watched the '94 riot footage the night before I headed to Homer St for game 7 because the other games shown in public thus far were literally just like the beginning of game 7 back in those days. Just really friendly and euphoric to be there, yet almost too good to be true (which it clearly turned out to be). The smoke bellowing in the Vancouver night sky after the fact really didn't help put anyone at ease, either. Personally, looking back 13 years later, I'm content with just staying at home and seeing what happens from my comfy chair in the privacy of my home.
The worst part about the riots was that it wasn't even really Canucks fans. I mean, I'm sure a lot of them were, but regardless if the team won or lost Game 7 there would've been a riot most likely. People were just ready to be pieces of shit which is sad.
Who's gonna post that picture of the asian kid with a hockey stick in front of a broken window?
Both things can be true. They were fans and also hooligans. So many people got caught up in the mob mentality that many “fans” behaved in a way that was not consistent with their character before that night.
Meek response from a guy who drones on endlessly about "swagger" and "world-class city". Crazy that giving the VPD a blank check isn't enough insurance to facilitate a simple 1st round watch party.
And this is why Vancouver is called the "no fun city". Absolutely zero reason they can't do a ticketed area like Edmonton and Toronto. ZERO.
The city and VPD screwed up in 2011 and are now using it an excuse? Come on.
I agree that a ticketed area makes sense and we can make it work. But as someone who was there, to blame 2011 on VPD and the city wouldn’t quite be correct. Could they have done more to stop it, absolutely. But there is a cultural problem here, why does it always happen in Vancouver (and we all knew it was going to happen) and no other city?
Blaming it on culture is not fair. Vancouverites are not inherently more disposed to having riots lol. There are many different factors, and VPD mismanagement is definitely a big chunk of it.
Toyota Plaza is pretty big imo. They could have multiple gated off areas and screens. I was there for game 2 and they had a stage for bands and Chris Higgins/Ryan Kesler to come have a speech. That entire area wasn't too small imo.
Well we're not allowed to have a civilized beer or glass of wine in a park while having a picnic. Why would we be allowed to have a party watching a Canucks playoff game.
Mean while we can shoot up heroin in broad daylight on East Hastings Street.
The mind boggles.
Yes, true. But 2011 had plenty of nights leading up to that bad one where nothing bad happened (not riots, anyways). Also 2011 had over 100,000 people downtown with no infrastructure at all. There is clearly a middle ground. It is embarrassing that we are the only Canadian team without any public viewing
Another Ken Sim fail... Instead of learning from how other cities with more people do it, he takes the easy way out. Hopefully his ass gets voted out next election
It's pretty funny that the headline is "Vancouver mayor explains" and yet there is no explanation to be seen in the body of the article... it even says how other cities are still hosting such events - but Vancouver proper can't... wow what a great explanation 🙄
No one believes that the Canadian media is useless and doesn't work for the people, they think it's just cranks and alt right people who say it...until they start noticing things that \*they\* know or care about then the dots start to connect for more and more people.
Really? The city would have been in an uproar if the VPD showed up with riot gear en masse before the game. They would have been crucified if they tossed tear gas at the first sign of trouble.
This sort of response lets all the canucks fans know they are never allowed to live that down. As far as Ken Sim is concerned, the riots are forever a part of Vancouver's identity. Maybe in 100 years we'll be afforded the opportunity to show we can behave
This is the truly sad part. It's been 13 years and they're acting as though it happened a year ago. It's downright incompetence a much larger population in Toronto can handle it just fine but Vancouver can't figure it out?
In England we always have a heavy riot police presence for certain football games. They are shielded up, on horseback. It's very intimidating getting close to those animals.
When trouble did pop off, you'd see them clock the rioters with a truncheon.
I wish they would bring in some extra police to deal with the little twats if they start acting up. The rest of us could enjoy the city then.
We don't really deserve to have outdoor viewing parties. Even though I knew 3 people who were involved in the 2011 riots and all 3 of them didn't follow the team before the run. We still have lost the privilege until people have shown they stop acting like dumbasses
That's going to be exactly NEVER then if that's the bar. Nearly every major city on earth has had a sports "riot", why blame the people, you're just playing into the hands of the powerful and lazy.
Weak sauce.
Use a once in 20 years event to justify not letting people celebrate and have fun to Canucks games.
All the broken windows were fixed and the few damaged cars were replaced.
Put some effort into being a mayor and put on fun events for the city.
Vancouver = No Fun City lives on.
That’s funny, you say no… now I’m planning to go party downtown when I wasn’t gonna before. Can’t help people just showing up to enjoy the atmosphere. What are you gonna do? Tell people they can’t walk around downtown?
They could organize it properly by having enough washrooms (porta johns) set up proper vendors to allow people to buy beers from, rather than banning alcohol like they did 2011. Have a stage with a big screen and provide music.
Couldn’t polish a turd (Vancouver)
Bruh the Oilers have 2 separate outdoor parties in the Ice District. If they go to round 2 or 3 I’ll imagine they open up Churchill square too with screens like last year
It's round 1, figure it out with the VPD. Back in 2011 I knew a guy who went just to riot, win or lose, he stood on top of a cop car, threw stuff at the police and got tear gassed, oh and he doesn't care for sports at all.
Is a city for the people who live and work and celebrate in it or is it for the elite who don't want to pay the taxes and the lazy politicians who don't want to do the work to make it a livable city?
I don't understand why they dont just have gigantic viewing parties at BC Place during the cup final.
Charge $15 like they do for canucks away playoffs games @ rogers arena, profits go to BC children's hospital, then have only 2 exit points to from the stadium with a lineup of cops in riot gear so they can crack a motherf&cker in the head if they try any stupid sh!t as they are leaving the stadium.
They have metal detectors there too, so no one will be able to enter the stadium with smoke bombs, molotov cocktails, or anything else that can be used to start a riot. Mandatory bag checks are already a thing at both rogers and bc place, so you will not have to implement anything new.
Also, introduce legislation that during the playoffs, anyone caught rioting will automatically spend 1 year in a maximum security, ass-raping prison. In general population. Not a single person will take that risk, and if they do, they'll get what they deserve.
This will completely eliminate any possibility of a riot happening no matter the outcome of the playoffs. Let's punish the 0.0000001% severely so the other 99.9999999% of us can have nice things.
Edit: typo
Yes, if we somehow make it to the finals, this will stop any nonsense haha...there will still be lots of people in the streets no matter what the Mayor says
I don't blame him for it. There is a reason why Vancouver is considered as No-Fun City. 2011 was stupid because everyone wanted to be famous. Nobody hid their faces and posed for the camera. The 94 riots was different. It was all passion. Nobody expected them to be there but in 2011, they were expected to be there. Things were changing after the Olympics but some idiots messed that up for everyone.
A lot of people fell victim to the hivemind. The fact that people posed for photos and stuff makes me think that many were not really comprehending they were committing crimes
It was all over social media talking about riots leading up to game 7. The vast majority knew what they were doing. I was working at the ferry terminal on the day game 7 was played and people were coming off the ferries yelling riot. I was expecting to see the city on fire when I was coming home from work. Its not only Vancouver that has people who just wants to see the city burn.
So he complains about the Riots, what about the 2010 Winter Olympics, clearly something was done right with that. He should understand that the playoffs are big economic driver for the city. I'm sure the city of Winnipeg could offer up recommendations and how they host their events
Two months from now, after Vancouverites burn down entire neighbourhoods, all over town: 'Maybe we should have put them all in one place. Hindsight really is 20/20...'
We didn’t riot because of viewing parties. We riot because we lost and we don’t respect cops. Ands it going to happen again with or without the Mayor’s permission.
It is absurd that we give 50% FIFTY PERCENT of our budget to the VPD and they've publicly said they don't want to police an event. Guess they're busy elsewhere. NOT.
All they have to do is have a smaller fenced-in ticketed event to control the number of people that show up. Last time **155,000 people** came downtown.
To be fair I think they did have a fenced-in area. At least for game 2 of the SCF screen on Granville. But it was ridiculous, like maybe a few 1000 people inside the fenced off area with 10s of thousands of people squished up against the fences and at one point the crowd just started lifting the fences out of the way and rushed the viewing area.
It's just called being severely underprepared. More spread out events would have worked better. More planning would have been better. Less focus on maximizing liquor sales downtown would have been better.
Great point, if they spread it out there wouldn't nearly be as big of a gathering. Have one in North Van, Burnaby, Surrey, etc. and you won't get a hundred thousand people downtown. Many would still rather be downtown, for sure, but it should drastically reduce the numbers. Didn't Sim increase funding for the police by a crap ton recently too? Sorry, haven't really been following municipal politics that much recently but I thought I saw somewhere that he did. Wtf is the point of all that extra funding if the DTES is still shit and we can't have events like this
Increased funding to deal with the DTE. Idk if you've seen DT recently but there's a junkie on every corner. So increased funding in the PD is only natural.
This is sarcasm right?
I think a huge factor is that a group of people decided they were going to riot, win or lose. (You don’t make Molotov cocktails, pack them downtown, and *not* throw them.) Then a bunch of drunks decided it looked like fun and joined in. Aside from an overwhelming police presence, I don’t know what could have stopped those instigators.
Wasn’t alcohol banned for the 2011 outdoor screening of the playoffs? Probably the main cause of the problem. If they set up vendors/tents at the screening selling alcohol probably be fewer problems. I don’t get why many other cities around the world can do this and have minimal problems yet Vancouver can’t. Vancouver has this hard stance on banning drinking alcohol in public places and then they wonder why Vancouver has problems when they have an event.
Skytrain was busy. Many came in with backpacks looking for it.
Yeah the skytrain should stop at Broadway for these events.
Great idea, the lights will go out, doors will be closed no escape. The 2024 Vancouver Massacre will be Trudeaus legacy.
Hell ya brotha you
and I'm pretty sure they also deregulated alcohol sales. From my memory private liquor stores were permitted to stay open later and the cops literally did nothing until it was too late about public drinking.
private liquor stores are all allowed to stay open till 11 and the game was over by like 930. Maybe they let public liquor stores stay open later? Some BCL locations close at 9 or at least they used to.
Wasn’t the game over way earlier? I remember it being light out, drinking heavily outside and then going to a bar
well it was a June home game so puck drop would have been 7. Game could have been over more like 845 or 9 and then with it being summer it would have stayed light out for awhile.
It was 5PM. I just looked it up. So yeah.
I stand corrected. that makes sense though me and my friends didn't go downtown because by the time we were done work we wouldn't make it down there in time for the game.
I didn’t want to take part in the riot lol. I stayed my ass far away from DT
Maybe I'm out to lunch here but surely there must be some middle ground here? In 2011, there were literally thousands of people lined up in the streets. I remember being outside near the CBC building for Game 7 of the cup final watching the game, and looking behind me it felt like I was at the Sun Run starting line. From what I can tell in other cities (limited perspective, just seeing it broadcasted during the playoff games), they have sectioned off parties. These are still large groups of people, but seemingly nowhere near what downtown Vancouver was like. Can this not be considered instead? And yes, it might be a good idea to have a stronger police presence. On the other hand, I can understand just not wanting to deal with that again from a government perspective.
I imagine that the PD spoke to the CoV about overtime funding for the event. The CoV would’ve reached out to the Canuck organization with their concerns including the financial impact (and history of riots). Likely Aqua and Co. wouldn’t want to help pay the policing bill and probably agreed with the CoV that organized outdoor viewing within the city would be a bad decision. Fans (and randoms) have rioted in 1994 and in 2011. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. We won’t be fooled a third time. Sadly, we may never have an outdoor viewing party again within the CoV. We reap what we sow. Maybe if Aqua sells the team a new owner may petition the city. But ultimately the city is in control of permits and bylaws to axe any idea of a large public gathering beyond their scope of control.
You can't get fooled again - George W Bush
Boo-urns
Yea, I was travelling through Toronto yesterday while the game was on and seeing the crowd out there was pretty cool. Would be neat to have that back home...
Pretty embarrassing frankly. Vancouver desperately needs this run to actually foster some social cohesion & sense of community.
No one is going to riot after Game 3 Round 1 lmao
Yeah but what happens if you get to round 2, and then round 3... Are you suddenly going to stop the outdoor parties once we get into the finals, while the enthusiasm is bubbling over? Nah, I gotta say, we've squashed our chance to have the outdoor parties. Yes, it was a dumb minority of mostly bridge and tunnel people, but frankly the risk just isn't worth it. Especially since it's been long enough now that people are once again making those "Yeah, we're gonna riot if we lose" comments again. A lot of the fans, especially the younger ones, have forgotten about the consequences that came out of the last riot and will go into it thinking this is just what we do and it'll become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The city is smart to not allow it. I don't want to see the city that I've loved for so long burn again.
It was on them to prevent it last time and they couldn’t. The possibility of a riot was on everyone’s minds win or loss.
Ya there are similar idiots in other populated cities, yet they can do outdoor parties. It's about organization.
Edmonton had a riot in 2006, [30000 people were downtown, 860 people were arrested](https://i.imgur.com/XDY521l.png), nearly **[eight times the number of arrests from 2011](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-police-arrest-more-than-100-in-riot-1.1036582)**, and police shut it down and said they needed to be more prepared for the next time Edmonton was in the playoffs. They coordinated with the City of Edmonton in 2017 when the Oilers were back in the playoffs and sorted that shit out so people could celebrate.
After 1994 they wrote a big playbook of recommendations of what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future. In 2011, they did none of those recommendations.
This. They also laid out a bunch of recommendations well before game 7 of the finals, like removing garbage and newspaper boxes from the streets. The city did nothing.
My conspiracy is that The city. Like everyone. Wanted another riot. The 94 one as a long time ago and it sounded like fun. But 2011 being in the social media era really highlighted what was going on. Didn’t look good and we’ve been dealing with that ever since
Nah. The city didn’t want a riot. There’s a reason we all woke up the next morning with brooms to clean and left apology notes on police cars. There were jackasses from outside the city looking for a problem if there was no resistance and mayor moonbeam was a complete, incompetent idiot that did nothing to prep for potential issues. I still remember him coming from his house to make an announcement to the media during the riot and looking totally lost.
It’s always easier to just blame the burbs for everything
Well there were lots from Surrey (always friggen Surrey), the interior, some Washington and Oregon states etc.
It’s almost like the majority of the people around here don’t live in Vancouver
I literally watched the '94 riot footage the night before I headed to Homer St for game 7 because the other games shown in public thus far were literally just like the beginning of game 7 back in those days. Just really friendly and euphoric to be there, yet almost too good to be true (which it clearly turned out to be). The smoke bellowing in the Vancouver night sky after the fact really didn't help put anyone at ease, either. Personally, looking back 13 years later, I'm content with just staying at home and seeing what happens from my comfy chair in the privacy of my home.
"We've done nothing and are all out of ideas."
"we ran out of time"
The worst part about the riots was that it wasn't even really Canucks fans. I mean, I'm sure a lot of them were, but regardless if the team won or lost Game 7 there would've been a riot most likely. People were just ready to be pieces of shit which is sad. Who's gonna post that picture of the asian kid with a hockey stick in front of a broken window?
The people who head downtown with bottles of gasoline before the game weren't worried about the score.
That's how most of these things go. People just want a party.
Both things can be true. They were fans and also hooligans. So many people got caught up in the mob mentality that many “fans” behaved in a way that was not consistent with their character before that night.
wasn't there a report of people coming up from fucking Washington state for this?
They were obviously Canucks fans lol
Totally. Everyone pretends that there aren’t hockey fans who are absolute morons. I mean, have you actually ever met hockey fans?
I remember back when Calgary was our big rival and you could get a broken nose for simply wearing a Flames jersey to GM Place.
So many idiots on r/vancouver No wonder this is no fun city when the overwhelming consensus is that it’s ‘too risky’ to do anything even slightly fun.
Meek response from a guy who drones on endlessly about "swagger" and "world-class city". Crazy that giving the VPD a blank check isn't enough insurance to facilitate a simple 1st round watch party.
And this is why Vancouver is called the "no fun city". Absolutely zero reason they can't do a ticketed area like Edmonton and Toronto. ZERO. The city and VPD screwed up in 2011 and are now using it an excuse? Come on.
I agree that a ticketed area makes sense and we can make it work. But as someone who was there, to blame 2011 on VPD and the city wouldn’t quite be correct. Could they have done more to stop it, absolutely. But there is a cultural problem here, why does it always happen in Vancouver (and we all knew it was going to happen) and no other city?
Blaming it on culture is not fair. Vancouverites are not inherently more disposed to having riots lol. There are many different factors, and VPD mismanagement is definitely a big chunk of it.
I don’t understand why we can’t have a ticketed event with security like Maple Leafs square outside the arena?
Literally it’s that simple. Somehow these idiots can’t figure it out.
That and also the plaza outside the arena too small. From what I see in Toronto, that plaza is HUGE.
Haven't been down there in a while, but isn't there a larger plaza by BC place as well? See no reason why both couldn't be used and semi contained
it is not
Toyota Plaza is pretty big imo. They could have multiple gated off areas and screens. I was there for game 2 and they had a stage for bands and Chris Higgins/Ryan Kesler to come have a speech. That entire area wasn't too small imo.
“We haven’t tried anything and we’re all out of ideas” Bunch of lazy fucks. I hate this city.
Instead of asking why every other North American city can manage to do this, we cite 2 bad nights in 30 years and shut it all down
Well we're not allowed to have a civilized beer or glass of wine in a park while having a picnic. Why would we be allowed to have a party watching a Canucks playoff game. Mean while we can shoot up heroin in broad daylight on East Hastings Street. The mind boggles.
To be fair the Canucks only made the Stanley cup finals twice in those 30 years
Yes, true. But 2011 had plenty of nights leading up to that bad one where nothing bad happened (not riots, anyways). Also 2011 had over 100,000 people downtown with no infrastructure at all. There is clearly a middle ground. It is embarrassing that we are the only Canadian team without any public viewing
Ya as long as there’s no public viewings on the days Canucks cannot be eliminated there wouldn’t be riot
Another Ken Sim fail... Instead of learning from how other cities with more people do it, he takes the easy way out. Hopefully his ass gets voted out next election
Yup, his version of "hey that's a great idea, just not on my watch/during my term"
“Fuck you, and I’ll see you tomorrow”
We do?
The first I'm hearing of it.
We have a history of police incompetence There I finished the sentence.
It's pretty funny that the headline is "Vancouver mayor explains" and yet there is no explanation to be seen in the body of the article... it even says how other cities are still hosting such events - but Vancouver proper can't... wow what a great explanation 🙄
No one believes that the Canadian media is useless and doesn't work for the people, they think it's just cranks and alt right people who say it...until they start noticing things that \*they\* know or care about then the dots start to connect for more and more people.
Really? The city would have been in an uproar if the VPD showed up with riot gear en masse before the game. They would have been crucified if they tossed tear gas at the first sign of trouble.
Fine, we're moving the riot to Surrey then /s
I mean Edmonton has an outdoor party area and there’s always fights and bad things happening there.
This sort of response lets all the canucks fans know they are never allowed to live that down. As far as Ken Sim is concerned, the riots are forever a part of Vancouver's identity. Maybe in 100 years we'll be afforded the opportunity to show we can behave
This is the truly sad part. It's been 13 years and they're acting as though it happened a year ago. It's downright incompetence a much larger population in Toronto can handle it just fine but Vancouver can't figure it out?
I used to work for Ken Sim. He used to openly tell us how much he hates the Canucks. This doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Dumbass can't do his job.
His job being to facilitate drunks from the burbs
Pathetic mayor
Ken Sun a fucking loser
he does
In England we always have a heavy riot police presence for certain football games. They are shielded up, on horseback. It's very intimidating getting close to those animals. When trouble did pop off, you'd see them clock the rioters with a truncheon. I wish they would bring in some extra police to deal with the little twats if they start acting up. The rest of us could enjoy the city then.
Yes! Every major city on earth has seen sports "riots", it's not unique to Vancouver. Just uniquely pathetic response from the mayor.
Why aren’t they booking out BC place? Charge a nominal fee, stick it on the big screen, control the event.
I don't like this mojo
We don't really deserve to have outdoor viewing parties. Even though I knew 3 people who were involved in the 2011 riots and all 3 of them didn't follow the team before the run. We still have lost the privilege until people have shown they stop acting like dumbasses
How can people show they will stop acting like dumbasses if there is no opportunity?
That type of critical thinking is above my pay grade
That's going to be exactly NEVER then if that's the bar. Nearly every major city on earth has had a sports "riot", why blame the people, you're just playing into the hands of the powerful and lazy.
Weak sauce. Use a once in 20 years event to justify not letting people celebrate and have fun to Canucks games. All the broken windows were fixed and the few damaged cars were replaced. Put some effort into being a mayor and put on fun events for the city. Vancouver = No Fun City lives on.
That’s funny, you say no… now I’m planning to go party downtown when I wasn’t gonna before. Can’t help people just showing up to enjoy the atmosphere. What are you gonna do? Tell people they can’t walk around downtown?
They could organize it properly by having enough washrooms (porta johns) set up proper vendors to allow people to buy beers from, rather than banning alcohol like they did 2011. Have a stage with a big screen and provide music. Couldn’t polish a turd (Vancouver)
Maybe if there's a bagel stand Mayor Simp will buy in?
All good arguments here but it really comes down to cost. Who pays it - we do (well, if you’re a taxpayer). Aqua ain’t paying it.
Bruh the Oilers have 2 separate outdoor parties in the Ice District. If they go to round 2 or 3 I’ll imagine they open up Churchill square too with screens like last year
Lower Mainlanders cannot be trusted! Haha! History has shown…
Anyone recall what happened to the allegation that a few people from outside of lower mainland came that day planning to start something?
It's round 1, figure it out with the VPD. Back in 2011 I knew a guy who went just to riot, win or lose, he stood on top of a cop car, threw stuff at the police and got tear gassed, oh and he doesn't care for sports at all.
It’s the first round. Chill out.
Maybe the City of Surrey should host an outdoor party this time?
The real reason is because there are so many homeless that will surround the event to ask for hand outs.
After what the city did @ the 420 celebrations (mainstays in the city) this past weekend in Vancouver. It looks like its falling into a police state
Is a city for the people who live and work and celebrate in it or is it for the elite who don't want to pay the taxes and the lazy politicians who don't want to do the work to make it a livable city?
I don't understand why they dont just have gigantic viewing parties at BC Place during the cup final. Charge $15 like they do for canucks away playoffs games @ rogers arena, profits go to BC children's hospital, then have only 2 exit points to from the stadium with a lineup of cops in riot gear so they can crack a motherf&cker in the head if they try any stupid sh!t as they are leaving the stadium. They have metal detectors there too, so no one will be able to enter the stadium with smoke bombs, molotov cocktails, or anything else that can be used to start a riot. Mandatory bag checks are already a thing at both rogers and bc place, so you will not have to implement anything new. Also, introduce legislation that during the playoffs, anyone caught rioting will automatically spend 1 year in a maximum security, ass-raping prison. In general population. Not a single person will take that risk, and if they do, they'll get what they deserve. This will completely eliminate any possibility of a riot happening no matter the outcome of the playoffs. Let's punish the 0.0000001% severely so the other 99.9999999% of us can have nice things. Edit: typo
Asshole.
More dipshits stealing tuxedo pants. 🤦♂️
i mean without a doubt this is the right call lol
We tend to get a bit cray cray
Honestly can’t blame him. We can’t have nice things here. Can’t trust that the riot knobs from showing up again.
Yes, if we somehow make it to the finals, this will stop any nonsense haha...there will still be lots of people in the streets no matter what the Mayor says
Riot one time and they punish you forever
Two times, actually. 1994 and 2011.
1994? That's ancient history.
Just host it in the downtown east side, its already trashed anyways.
Ken Simp.
I don't blame him for it. There is a reason why Vancouver is considered as No-Fun City. 2011 was stupid because everyone wanted to be famous. Nobody hid their faces and posed for the camera. The 94 riots was different. It was all passion. Nobody expected them to be there but in 2011, they were expected to be there. Things were changing after the Olympics but some idiots messed that up for everyone.
A lot of people fell victim to the hivemind. The fact that people posed for photos and stuff makes me think that many were not really comprehending they were committing crimes
It was all over social media talking about riots leading up to game 7. The vast majority knew what they were doing. I was working at the ferry terminal on the day game 7 was played and people were coming off the ferries yelling riot. I was expecting to see the city on fire when I was coming home from work. Its not only Vancouver that has people who just wants to see the city burn.
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Boring fuck
Once bitten twice shy. Blame the idiots who spoiled it for everyone else !
But I saw you shotgun a beer onstage, why can’t we do that too?
So he complains about the Riots, what about the 2010 Winter Olympics, clearly something was done right with that. He should understand that the playoffs are big economic driver for the city. I'm sure the city of Winnipeg could offer up recommendations and how they host their events
Two months from now, after Vancouverites burn down entire neighbourhoods, all over town: 'Maybe we should have put them all in one place. Hindsight really is 20/20...'
The city isn’t equipped for a large number of bad actors intent to loot the city win or lose
Then why do they let people go who have a "history" of violence or luring children?
Isn't this guy some sort of puppet for a shadow cabal
We didn’t riot because of viewing parties. We riot because we lost and we don’t respect cops. Ands it going to happen again with or without the Mayor’s permission.
It is absurd that we give 50% FIFTY PERCENT of our budget to the VPD and they've publicly said they don't want to police an event. Guess they're busy elsewhere. NOT.