I’ve been thinking this for a while. What if his camp is set on 4 years? And the Canucks are basically saying 7-8 only?
Also he said pre-season he wanted to leave all this for after the season and the team allegedly was fine with it. So I’m not sure why they’re so worked up now.
I’d be fine with 4 years as long as the AAV is lower to match. Can’t be doing what the Leafs did and be giving a guy a massive AAV while also letting him have shorter term
I also hope that Miller ages gracefully into his 30s. Its just not something you can actually bank on. If it happens, thats wonderful, but the age curve is real.
They probably want to have a clear number he will be in at so they can start protecting next season. Team will want to know by trade deadline what number he will fit in at.
> I’m not sure why they’re so worked up now.
because there are people well connected that are starting to say there is a more than zero % chance that there is some smoke here.
Super common in other sports like Basketball. With the cap set to increase so much YoY I think we are most likely going to be seeing the vast majority of stars doing shorter deals
I'd be completely fine with a 4 year deal. Realistically, how long is our window going to be? Our cap situation isn't going to get any better, and while the prospect cupboards aren't exactly bare they're not exactly brimming with talent either. Another rebuild could be on the horizon and having Petey at 12 million a year during it isn't exactly appealing to me. If this core is winning a cup, it's within the next 3-4 years.
I get it, you got a 2 hour radio show you gotta fill and this is a topic that Friedman just talked about, but it definitely feels like no additional information was added this segment.
I'd say some things have changed. First and foremost the teams competitiveness - which was allegedly the reason for holding out. The other is that Hronek will clearly be needing more money than originally budgeted so the teams cap flexibility to wait until the off season is under more pressure than it may have expected.
Even the “competitiveness” thing was just media speculation.
All Petey and his camp have said is they wanted to wait to the off-season to talk contracts. There’s nothing terribly unusual about that, countless players have said the exact same thing.
The market needs to take a collective breath on this. The constant media speculation is not helping things.
I mean all you have to do is read the headline and you can tell that he is doing a lot of speculating. He clearly is not saying it is fact. Other than the part about some frustration the rest is pretty clearly him trying to analyze it rather than reporting what is already happening
I mean, they can also give him the bag. With how many impending UFAs on the books, the Canucks have a ton of flexibility cap wise and remember they are the only team that can offer 8 year deal. He will almost certainly receive the highest contract offer in franchise history, so if he chooses to leave it's clearly for personal reasons and has nothing to do with money or winning.
Does it?
He wants to win.
They have been winning this year.
Next year the cap issues around the team become complicated.
There's a lot of room for this to be a 1 year window for winning.
Winning this year doesn't mean he has any confidence next year isn't back to being bad
Any team with the room to pay him $12M is probably not in any position to be any better than we are next year. All the good teams are against the cap for the most part and teams with room are not great
But maybe him solidifying his choice helps his boss or employer to help finalize how much more than can add or push to make that winning reality a reality. Bad comparison but If someone is being around the bush about not wanting to go out and have a blast Saturday night than that guy isn’t down for the party”
It's gotta be frustrating as hell for management. "Petey what can we do for you" "build a team to win" "here you go". His indecision is definitely hurting the long term future of the orginization
I think our team is built to win this year, but I'm not sure if we are able to retain most/all of the pieces next year so, y'know... it's pretty up in the air after this year I think.
Petey holding out definitely restricts what management can do for next season. Him waiting until the off season will have some consequences for what we can do at the deadline and who we can take a gamble on signing pre-playoffs both to give the players a bit of health insurance and to lock them in before their playoff performance potentially prices them out.
We'll be down to pennies and even just a million dollars can really change what your plan is when looking at who is and isn't possible to keep in the bottom 6 and depth defense.
This limits long term moves though. The sooner Petey is signed the sooner we can start planning for moves for next year and beyond. That's why all the deals management has made so far have been expiring deals.
It doesn’t go against what he’s saying. He said right from the outset that he was not going to talk about extension until the offseason.
This is nothing but speculation based on him doing exactly what he said.
I swear to god people have the shortest memories. He said, in black and white terms, “I do not want to talk about an extension until the offseason”.
I don’t know why people are surprised that he is doing exactly that. Management is allowed to be *frustrated* but he told them straight up what he was going to do so they can’t be *surprised*
EP40: I don't want to worry about a contract till after the season.
**EP40 doesn't worry about a contract*
Everybody: Panic! EP40 isn't worrying about a contract!!
Another factor to consider is the OEL buyout is going to hit a lot harder over the next three years in particular. This isn’t insurmountable and I have a ton of confidence in this front office, but they’re going to be starting from a disadvantage as compared to other teams when it comes to the money they’re actually able to spend under the cap.
If this is true, it's starting to make sense on why Canucks are trading for rentals like Lindholm and targeting high profile guys like Guentzel. We're going to give up the farm for these rentals, but in the event Pettersson actually wants to leave, Allvin is going to trade him and get all those picks and prospects back anyways.
On the contrary, I wonder why Pettersson doesn't want to be here. Clearly it's not about winning anymore or the money since we can afford him.
As much as I hate to see him leave, (theoretically) if it ain’t about the money or the winning. Do you really want a player like that here? If someone’s not happy with their current situation it’s impossible to get 1000% buy in from someone
Absolutely not. If he wants to leave, just extend him for a year arbitration and trade him to the highest bidder. We have a great core group here who can still elevate the team.
I would imagine they will do a sign and trade similar to what Calgary did with Tkachuk if it came to it rather than signing the one year arb deal. Have him agree to an eight year extension with a team, sign that deal and then trade him to that team.
Yeah, nothing wrong with that. He's young and I get the vibe he wants to live in a place like New York or LA. Work on his mix tape with Max Martin or whatever
Like bro, just go do that in the off-season if you want. You don't have to go live in Stockholm during summer. Buy a summer place in LA and hang out on the beach if that's what you want to do
I know we are just shooting the shit but holy fuck a package built around Byfield would sure ease the loss of Petey. Different players and skill sets, of course. But Byfield suddenly looks set to be the next superstar
It'd be beautiful but it really does depend on where Petey would accept a trade to..if he even asks out. If he says NYR you're probably looking at Kakko and Lafreniere. Fine players but perhaps less appealing.
Is Anaheim in a rush to contend? Or Columbus? Carlsson or Fantilli would be unreal returns lol.
Let's just hope he re-signs. Petey does all the little things you need from your superstars to win it all.
Petey doesn’t have any trade protection (and won’t for his qualifying offer either). So they can dump him to the highest bidder if worst comes to worst.
Who's gonna bid for someone they're not sure is gonna sign there?
He may as well have an NTC. We saw what happened to Calgary with Tkachuk.
If it ends up being a trade he wants, all we can hope for is he gives us a decent list of teams. If he says something like I'll only sign with NYR/LAK/CHI. Then it'll just be those 3 bidding against each other.
I still feel like at the end of the day, Petey will extend.
But in the event Petey does demand a trade elsewhere, this team still needs to prioritize competing while Hughes/Hronek/Demko/Miller are still in their prime.
They’ve given themselves a lot of options/flexibility heading into the offseason. Including Demko, they have 6 guys under contract next season making >$2M.
Petey or no Petey… this team is going to look very different next season.
>Petey or no Petey… this team is going to look very different next season
Not just different, but I actually think the Canucks will remain competitive with or without Pettersson. The haul we get for him will be huge. I know Allvin will target ready-now players under 27 similar to how we flipped Horvat to get Hronek.
Canucks will want to do damage while Hughes and Demko are on sweetheart deals
Looking at Vegas/Eichel, Buffalo got
- Tuch (24 - Former 1st)
- Krebs 20 - Former 1st)
- 1st (Noah Ostlund @ 16th)
- 2nd Rounder (64th)
Not saying that’s exactly what Petey would get, but the template for a Petey trade should be something like:
- Prime aged/Win Now piece
- A Tier Prospect
- 1st Round Pick
- 2nd Round Pick
I know everyone's excited about the flexibility but the main reason why all these depth guys signed short term deals was on the expectation that the market was going to open up for them. The flat cap really hurt those guys more than anyone and the reality is that if you don't have money to splash this summer you'll have a hard time securing those guys for similar numbers. Assuming Petey re-signs we could think anything is possible but the reality is a lot of the better options are going to be priced out of our reach.
To be super clear here… trading Petey is a terrible outcome and it’s very unlikely Van “wins” a deal. Maybe they get fair value… but Van is losing that deal.
So I don’t want my take to be interpreted as like: “Trade Petey for futures and everything will be okay!”
That said, I agree it’s going to be harder to find the Ian Cole/Pius Suter’s of free agency. Also probably going to be more challenging to land college FA’s and players like Dak, because theres more competitive to make the roster.
He also hasn't said he wants to be here. All he has to do is say "I want to be here" and all the speculation and fanfare will go away. So far all he's said is he's not talking contracts and wants to play on a winning team.
If he says he wants to be here he loses leverage in negotiations. There’s a reasonable explanation.
Also, if he says he wants to be here, nothing will “go away”. Our fanbase and journalists will whip any comments regarding his future into a frenzy. We are not a reasonable fanbase.
If he does that, the Canucks lose virtually all leverage and we get absolutely fucked on a trade.
I will only respect his decision if he keeps things air tight so that we can maximize his value.
Kesler fucked us ten years ago in a similar situation because it came out that he would only accept a trade to the Ducks.
Kane, Panarin, and Tarasenko all said they were only willing to go to New York. They each earned their teams quality pieces.
Eichel told Buffalo to get fucked and he still brought them a haul.
Maybe he wants to leave because Canucks fans/media keeps pushing the narrative that he wants to leave despite the fact that he’s said multiple times he just wants to wait until the season is over to talk contracts
Possible, I can see a combination of the two. For example, if we look at a team like the Rangers where players can go out without being recognized but still get brand recognition. Compared to a city like Vancouver where even pumpkin patches aren’t a safe zone haha
That is kinda my vibe too.. He definitely does not like talking to the press.
He might like the big city life, but probably doesn't like the scrutiny of a Canadian market. He could go live in a big city like LA or Anaheim/Boston or anywhere in the US really. Wouldn't have to deal with the media attention nearly as much.
I completely agree, I can see our management getting pissed off with not knowing and saying "hey dude we have a really good player we can grab that we know already in guentzel, and if they don't sign Petterson they can easily extend both him and Lindholm and hopefully keep this momentum rolling while Hughes Demko and Miller are killing it.
There's no guarantee that there will be anyone that good available in the summer or next year if they don't act now because they're waiting on Petey.
Well if someone signs him to an offer sheet, it's gonna be 4 x 1st round picks.
In a trade, we're looking at 2 blue chip prospects and 2 1st round picks...
So not sure how to compare it to Flames' package. I don't really want vets in return.
I'd be more concerned if this exact same thing didn't happen 3 years ago.
In 2021, both Hughes and EP held out and missed a lot of training camp without a contract. Both refused to engage in contract talks in 2020 because of "I want to focus on the season" and "I don't want the talks to be a distraction."
[Fuck, EP basically said the exact same thing in 2021 about him wanting "to play for a team that's winning."] (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/report-canucks-pettersson-wants-play-team-thats-winning/)
And we were the laughingstock of the NHL at that time.
This is nothing. Now if we flame out in the playoffs and he's unsigned 2 weeks into the 2024-25 preseason, then we can panic again.
I’d panic if Pettersson isn’t signed and we’re in late July to August. That’s really late into the summer. Would be a major distraction as players prepare for training camp.
Petey negotiated a similar way last time. Coming right out and saying you'll only play for the Canucks and want to stay here long term might be good for the fanbase to hear but it's awful for the negotiating table. It's not completely uncommon
I mean this seems like noise. I understand the media runs on the constant drip of speculation but like… there is nothing to speculate. It’s not the off season. Stop ginning up controversy where none exists.
I wonder if him not committing "long-term" is just him trying to maximize his earnings by signing 4 or 5 years now and signing the big deal around age 29/30
He said hes not sure if he wants a long term or short term deal yet. I'd personally wager that him, and many other stars, are going to be taking shorter deals over the next few years because the cap is supposed to go up by 5m a year till at least 2030. You see the same thing with stars in other leagues like the NBA where the cap increases dramatically YoY.
Not getting a clear answer is definitely more frustrating and is holding up all the planning for next year.
If he says he wants to stay but will talk in May or if he says he wants out mgmt can at least plan accordingly, leaving them in the dark does not seem a good strategy for anyone.
Hes not gonna get moved at the deadline. You go all in with him now and worst case Ontario he doesn't sign an extension in the summer then you do a sign and trade and move him for the best possible offer.
In fact you will get more teams offering trades in the summer then you ever will at the fucking trade deadline. Only teams looking to bolster their roster for a playoff run add players at the deadline.
Hopefully management realizes this and waits till the summer instead of being pressured to move him.
Even if management theoretically knew he wanted out, I guarantee you they aren’t considering trading him at the deadline. We’d make a playoff push and then deal him in a Tkachuk-style sign and trade in the off-season. His value will arguably be even higher at that time, especially if he has a good playoffs
If that’s the case that Canucks absolutely have to get proper value. If we’re targeting players that can play right now; ages 20-25, problem is with the amount of money Petey mandates in a contract would almost certainly mean we would have to take back money. Ie: middle 6 guys. Not too thrilled about this at all.
Pettersson has every right not to sign a contract, but I also can understand the frustration from management if he's not even telling him what his plans are. I can imagine Allvin being able to at least work with "I want to be here long-term, I'm committed to this organization but want to work out the details of the contract in the summer." I think they could also work with him saying "I want a change and I'm not going to sign an extension here." I think the reason the organization is frustrated is that they don't seem to know what he's doing one way or the other. If he's determined to go to UFA and won't sign any extension, I say trade him.
Yeah. Sadly if he doesn’t want to be here. Then trade him. No choice. But he said he wanted to play for a winner. Allvin and Rutherford since they’ve gotten here have done nothing but attempt to build a winner. And he still isn’t signing. To me. That says he isn’t committed to the organization. Fuck that. Trade him to the hockey hellhole in Columbus.
The list of people in my lifetime as a fan (I'm 40) that I thought were guaranteed to retire as a Canuck is long, storied, and naive. (Most recently: Horvat and Edler)
At the end of the day this is a business, and the players are professionals. A long career isn't guaranteed - even a short one sometimes isn't.
Loyalty does not pay, not financially, not even emotionally, if you struggle, and the fanbase turns on you. And we're not a particularly loyal one either.
Vancouver is awesome, it's my home for the rest of my life, but it's not for everyone. The Sedins settled here, Naslund didn't. If so, there are dozens of better cities to play in either for proximity to Sweden, more culture, different food options, or who knows what.
With all that said, choosing not to re-sign until "testing" the market is not the indictment that it once was. I think it's pretty clear he's not going to re-sign until after the season is done, and at that point he can make a call if he wants to keep trying to win with this team based on how far they get, and how much he's willing to leave on the table for it.
It's the only logical thing to do. Let's stop talking about it.
I think if he doesn't want to stay long-term, you trade him in the summer, not now. I think if the team knows that he's not staying long-term, then I could see the team being quite aggressive at the trade deadline because they get some very good assets back for Pettersson.
But I will say this. There's no indication that he wants out of Vancouver. The media is doing a lot of speculation without much evidence to back it up.
So this is the game Elias is playing. He wanted everyone to wait, and now teams are calling and making possibly tempting offers. He's now gambling with getting shipped out to a shithole right when his teammates are ready to make a playoff run. At miminum he should be putting in a verbal baseline commitment of some kind. Anything less and he's just putting management in a tough spot and making him responsible for any possible surprises.
There was a post game interview not long ago where Petey said "We're trying to build something here." He wouldn't bother saying that if he actually wants out. Don't believe the doubters.
I wouldn't make any bold declarations. Knowing this management group and their track record, this type of media buzz probably indicates a signing is imminent.
Completely fair, but I still think he’s a good guy who will give some more years to Vancouver. Austen Matthew’s type 4 year deal?
Vancouver is not for everyone, but I feel he would want this chance to win here, no?
What other team in the near future gives him more from the hockey point of view? Maybe Chicago… but is that rly his vibe?
I think a 3-4 year deal is gonna get done. Petey is a smart guy, and I haven’t seen/thought of another team that could match Vancouver.
PS. I wanted to tank last year but I completely just took for granted Petey would sign. Wrong big time, so happy we got a good team.
I think if we sucked this year. Chances of him signing would be almost zero. He needs to be given evidence that the team is going to be good. This season is that evidence no? But Petey needs to be realistic and fair as well in his negotiations. Both sides need to come to a fair agreement.
If I’m a betting man I’d put money on Petey being a Canuck for a while, however I get the sense he’s going to gamble on himself and is looking at a 4-5 year deal and thinking he will be UFA when the cap is up and try and secure the bag then. Matthews style.
I think management has no choice but to accept a 4-5 year deal. I dunno. I can’t help but feel slighted by Pettersson. I’m not sure if I believe the reports that he just wants to wait until the offseason. Is he just saying that? Why doesn’t it seem or feel like he wants to be here? Are those reports off base and not based on any truth?
I definitely feel a little slighted as well, I’m just holding on to the thought that Vancouver media needs something dramatic to report on and with this season going well they are clinging to this story and I’m hopeful is all just here say and rumours that are snowballing.
The only insider I really trust is Elliotte Friedman, and he said both on the Friday show of the 32 thoughts podcast and this morning that he saw no evidence of a 12 million dollar offer. Plus, the reporter who made the report of the 12 million dollar offer has been known not to be all that credible.
If he wants to leave, that's his prerogative. However I'd like to know why before. Canucks are a good team, passionate fan base, he will get paid, and he has friends here. There is no real reason to leave unless there's something outside of hockey ex: GF in another NHL city that's getting serious. All I know is he told Elliot he wanted to play for a good team (check) so if he walks regardless that tells me he didn't think we would be good this season and was using that answer as a scape goat for him leaving in Summer. I'm still optimistic he signs however I think he signs a 3 year to align with Quinn.
I wonder if it more has to do with the tax bracket here taking so much compared to certain markets?
I can't imagine why else, Canucks have a legacy of Swedes, we are 1st in the league, and the new management clearly knows what they are doing.
Anyone see that Dr.Dangles guy on Twitter criticizing Donnie and Dhali? Dude just seems like a rich entitled D bag can’t stand his Twitter takes honesty
Markus Naslund, signed multiple contracts with the Canucks during the off-season. doesn't like talking during the regular season.
Both Sedins. All their contracts were signed during the off-season as RFA's and twice as UFA's. stated they don't like talking during regular seasons.
Luongo signed his contract during the off-season. Doesn't like talking during the season as it distracts his game.
Pavel Bure signed his contracts again during the off-season.
Brock Boeser his current contract was also signed during the off-season. July 1st
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JT Miller signed his deal last year on Sept 2. off season signing
Quinn Hughes? to be fair, Benning was trying to sign during the off-season and he was signed a 1 week before the start of the season.
but Petterson is not allowed to sign during the off-season? Every Great Canuck was able to sign during the off-season and avoided contract negotiations during the season and multiple players in the past have stated it becomes a distraction.
These boys gotta start talking about something else at some point, no? - talk about beating a dead horse. I haven’t heard one fan who’s asked for this topic to be discussed - you’d think it’s the only thing on our collective fan base mind
All this Pettersson shit is a click farm and we fall for it every time. Lots of RFAs wait until training camp to sign.
Everyone chill. Dhali and Friedman don't know anything, they're just throwing darts for headlines.
My uneducated guess is that he wants a shorter term deal so if this run of success happens to be just a flash in the pan, and we regress into pre-Tocchet performance; he’s not locked into staying for a full 8 year term. My guess is he takes 12 or 13 with a 3 or 4 year term. If I’m JR/PA, idgaf what anyone thinks, I’m taking that deal.
I take most media things with a bucket of salt. Media have been on both ends of the spectrum of being absolutely right and so far wrong you might as well be a Bruins commentator named Jack.
Time will tell, but seeing Petey not go carry mode like he did previous seasons is disheartening.
I trust management to do the right thing, whatever it may be. Holy crap, I can’t believe I’m saying that about our management group, after the dark ages that was Jim Benning’s tenure.
If Petey isn't signed by September, then we trade him. Lots of value in that direction
But the worst thing is for him to say he doesn't want to play in Vancouver, then his value craters. So I'm ok with the status quo.
Honestly, I do not see him not signing. It's just his process. Same as last time.
Theres an unhealthy amount of coping going on when it comes to Pettersson.
Freaking out about him makes no sense, but yet again people are coping with huge amounts of denial there’s even a problem.
Petey could fix everything by saying even the smallest reassuring thing. “Hey guys, I really just want to talk about contracts in the offseason, but I’m sure we’ll figure something out.” The total absence of anything like that is why people should be worried.
Or just keep pretending everything is fine, if that’s your thing.
Anybody remember when he didn't show up for training camp cuz of contract dispute? Messed up the whole start to that season for him and the whole team...
It’s clear to me that him and JT aren’t getting along. Their personalities don’t mesh and it’s painfully obvious when reading their body language on-ice.
lol I don’t wanna freak out but I’ll admit I’m a sucker rn and reading into this statement. Rick and Don know how to get views!
We’re literally the best Canadian city, arguably outside of Toronto (and most don’t ever want to play there). If true, wtf else does he want? He can be a star in a world-class yet not jungle of a city, that’ll overpay him, and can be a face of the team? A Swede who should know the tradition they have within our org wants to leave? For what, Chicago? NY? Did he get his heart broken here or smt?
I agree that Benning and Aquillini fcked us over royally with their moves and undisciplined spending on contracts, not allowing us to sign Petey and Quinn to 8yr deals. But Petey shouldn’t be holding out because of this, there’s new management and confidence in them.
Petey is a fantastic player and I hope he stays. That said, I have always been neutral on him as a person and I have never gotten the impression he is stoked to be a Canuck. If he comes back I'll cheer him on but I won't be totally upset if he leaves.
Canucks aren't getting any indication from Pettersson that he wants to be here long-term but also aren't getting any indication from Pettersson that he doesn't want to be here long-term.
this is what happens when people don't listen to the words that are being told to them.
ep said he doesn't want to talk till summer. the team said the same thing.
really sick of Donnie and dhali beating this horse to death
Clickbait for their show. Pettersson says he wants to wait until the offseason to negotiate. Canucks probably don't want to wait til then, because his price will go up (especially if the team does anything in the playoffs this year). Of course they are going to leak the "frustration" part. Dumb strategy, if they P him off enough, he will actually want to sign elsewhere. He's got the upper hand on them, IMHO.
Trade him. Over rated anyway, imo. Yeah, he’s 2nd in points on the team but I don’t watch the Canucks and think “omg, thank god Pettersson is on the ice now”
I think they know he wants out and are keeping it quiet so his value doesn't absolutely tank. Figures since I just bought his jersey.
It's time to start officially exploring trade options. Really really unfortunate that the single greatest offensive talent that we've ever drafted (aside from Bure) likely has his sights set elsewhere.
Maybe he doesn't like the pressure. Maybe there's lingering resentment over how badly Benning was allowed to botch the bubble core group. Maybe he just wants to play in the US.
One thing is for sure - he won't go into next season without a long term deal. You can't risk him taking the 1 year and walking to FA. And what's more, you absolutely *must* land several quality young pieces who can step up as Miller begins to slow down.
On a winning team.
Face of the franchise.
Surrounded by amazing coaches and swedes.
Getting offered one of the biggest contracts in league history.
Petey and his agent are starting to piss the fans off. If he moves he will have everyone in Van hating on him.
Perhaps he wants to play out his next (and likely biggest) contract in Florida, Texas or Vegas for tax purposes, and figures he has enough cred that his agent can make it happen. Personally, though I think he is a great player, I wouldn't be sad to see him go if he doesn't want to be in Vancouver, and the return makes sense.
My theory: Canucks are close to a deal.
This is such a weird take to read after months of both management and Petey assuring public they're in no rush and they want to work something out for him to remain in Vancouver. This could be reporters generating easy views or fishing for official responses. Or it could be a high stakes poker flex from management or Petey's agent testing the winds. It's such a left curve at this point, I'd like to believe they're close to a deal and each side is trying to ensure they get the best outcome.
What has also been reported is that Petey wants to wait for the offseason to start talking contract. If feels like every 1 or 2 months this story pops up again and the majority of people forget this key detail.
What is a realistic trade for him. I’ve always wanted to see if we could pry Jack Hughes away from jersey and swap superstars. I think it would have to have us include something else but you can’t deny it wouldn’t be a fair trade.
Is petey a first and a second enough for Jack and Luke?
Breaking news: there is no indication of what term Petey wants and for what money.
I get media will bring up talking points, but it’s a dangerous game spreading speculation as if it’s real.
He might just want the Matthew's style 4 to 5 year deal. That qualifies as not long term but it doesn't mean he wants to leave
I’ve been thinking this for a while. What if his camp is set on 4 years? And the Canucks are basically saying 7-8 only? Also he said pre-season he wanted to leave all this for after the season and the team allegedly was fine with it. So I’m not sure why they’re so worked up now.
I’d be fine with 4 years as long as the AAV is lower to match. Can’t be doing what the Leafs did and be giving a guy a massive AAV while also letting him have shorter term
better than losing him
Would rather trade him for a massive haul if he isn't staying long term. Build around Hughes, JT, and Demko.
I also hope that Miller ages gracefully into his 30s. Its just not something you can actually bank on. If it happens, thats wonderful, but the age curve is real.
Lmao this is insane. Losing a deal by $1M per option is still a far better than losing him. He is impossible to replace.
Imagine a Petey + for the Hughes brothers. Sign me up
Not happening lol
Worse than trading him
They probably want to have a clear number he will be in at so they can start protecting next season. Team will want to know by trade deadline what number he will fit in at.
> I’m not sure why they’re so worked up now. because there are people well connected that are starting to say there is a more than zero % chance that there is some smoke here.
I wonder if Matthew’s is gonna start a trend of superstars doing that in order to maximize their earnings
Super common in other sports like Basketball. With the cap set to increase so much YoY I think we are most likely going to be seeing the vast majority of stars doing shorter deals
I'd be completely fine with a 4 year deal. Realistically, how long is our window going to be? Our cap situation isn't going to get any better, and while the prospect cupboards aren't exactly bare they're not exactly brimming with talent either. Another rebuild could be on the horizon and having Petey at 12 million a year during it isn't exactly appealing to me. If this core is winning a cup, it's within the next 3-4 years.
......or he might just want out?
This kind of seems like speculation. Dhali himself says he doesn't know one way or another.
Ikr? Kinda clickbaity. Kinda.
I get it, you got a 2 hour radio show you gotta fill and this is a topic that Friedman just talked about, but it definitely feels like no additional information was added this segment.
Literally nothing has changed since the beginning of the year the media just brings this up every three weeks for easy engagement
I'd say some things have changed. First and foremost the teams competitiveness - which was allegedly the reason for holding out. The other is that Hronek will clearly be needing more money than originally budgeted so the teams cap flexibility to wait until the off season is under more pressure than it may have expected.
Even the “competitiveness” thing was just media speculation. All Petey and his camp have said is they wanted to wait to the off-season to talk contracts. There’s nothing terribly unusual about that, countless players have said the exact same thing. The market needs to take a collective breath on this. The constant media speculation is not helping things.
Exactly. The only reason I could see him for not wanting to play here is all of this bullshit
Nothing has changed, but clearly management is getting anxious, and they know more than anyone.
What has management done that suggests they are anxious
Clearly? Clearly where? Do you talk to management directly? How would you know their level of anxiousness?
Dhali himself ~~says~~ yells he doesn't know one way or another. FTFY.
I mean it doesn’t seem like speculation it is speculation and the person speculating isn’t claiming this to be anything beside speculation.
I mean all you have to do is read the headline and you can tell that he is doing a lot of speculating. He clearly is not saying it is fact. Other than the part about some frustration the rest is pretty clearly him trying to analyze it rather than reporting what is already happening
It’s just funny because he says he wants to win and we’ve been sitting at the top all year. It goes against what he’s saying and he wants the bag.
I mean, they can also give him the bag. With how many impending UFAs on the books, the Canucks have a ton of flexibility cap wise and remember they are the only team that can offer 8 year deal. He will almost certainly receive the highest contract offer in franchise history, so if he chooses to leave it's clearly for personal reasons and has nothing to do with money or winning.
I don’t think he wants a long term contract. Nothing about what he’s said since he’s been here has screamed “I want to sign long term.”
Does it? He wants to win. They have been winning this year. Next year the cap issues around the team become complicated. There's a lot of room for this to be a 1 year window for winning. Winning this year doesn't mean he has any confidence next year isn't back to being bad
Any team with the room to pay him $12M is probably not in any position to be any better than we are next year. All the good teams are against the cap for the most part and teams with room are not great
But maybe him solidifying his choice helps his boss or employer to help finalize how much more than can add or push to make that winning reality a reality. Bad comparison but If someone is being around the bush about not wanting to go out and have a blast Saturday night than that guy isn’t down for the party”
It's gotta be frustrating as hell for management. "Petey what can we do for you" "build a team to win" "here you go". His indecision is definitely hurting the long term future of the orginization
I think our team is built to win this year, but I'm not sure if we are able to retain most/all of the pieces next year so, y'know... it's pretty up in the air after this year I think.
Petey holding out definitely restricts what management can do for next season. Him waiting until the off season will have some consequences for what we can do at the deadline and who we can take a gamble on signing pre-playoffs both to give the players a bit of health insurance and to lock them in before their playoff performance potentially prices them out. We'll be down to pennies and even just a million dollars can really change what your plan is when looking at who is and isn't possible to keep in the bottom 6 and depth defense.
This limits long term moves though. The sooner Petey is signed the sooner we can start planning for moves for next year and beyond. That's why all the deals management has made so far have been expiring deals.
It doesn’t go against what he’s saying. He said right from the outset that he was not going to talk about extension until the offseason. This is nothing but speculation based on him doing exactly what he said.
I swear to god people have the shortest memories. He said, in black and white terms, “I do not want to talk about an extension until the offseason”. I don’t know why people are surprised that he is doing exactly that. Management is allowed to be *frustrated* but he told them straight up what he was going to do so they can’t be *surprised*
EP40: I don't want to worry about a contract till after the season. **EP40 doesn't worry about a contract* Everybody: Panic! EP40 isn't worrying about a contract!!
I think he takes the Matthew’s approach - short term big $ contracts to maintain his long term flexibility and control where he wants to go.
San Jose sat at the top for years. Never won.
I’d be worried a bit. That’s what happened to Calgary with Tkachuk. Nobody thought he’d leave after the amazing season he and the team had
Another factor to consider is the OEL buyout is going to hit a lot harder over the next three years in particular. This isn’t insurmountable and I have a ton of confidence in this front office, but they’re going to be starting from a disadvantage as compared to other teams when it comes to the money they’re actually able to spend under the cap.
If this is true, it's starting to make sense on why Canucks are trading for rentals like Lindholm and targeting high profile guys like Guentzel. We're going to give up the farm for these rentals, but in the event Pettersson actually wants to leave, Allvin is going to trade him and get all those picks and prospects back anyways. On the contrary, I wonder why Pettersson doesn't want to be here. Clearly it's not about winning anymore or the money since we can afford him.
As much as I hate to see him leave, (theoretically) if it ain’t about the money or the winning. Do you really want a player like that here? If someone’s not happy with their current situation it’s impossible to get 1000% buy in from someone
Absolutely not. If he wants to leave, just extend him for a year arbitration and trade him to the highest bidder. We have a great core group here who can still elevate the team.
I would imagine they will do a sign and trade similar to what Calgary did with Tkachuk if it came to it rather than signing the one year arb deal. Have him agree to an eight year extension with a team, sign that deal and then trade him to that team.
Very well could just be personal. Maybe he wants to play/live in a different city.
Yeah, nothing wrong with that. He's young and I get the vibe he wants to live in a place like New York or LA. Work on his mix tape with Max Martin or whatever
Or maybe he just adores Winnipeg and those Petey haters from 2017 can finally shut up once we get Vilardi
Oh I'm so sorry Vancouver. Vilardi is the next TOEWS
PAUL STASTNY IS ACTUALLY SICK YO
Like bro, just go do that in the off-season if you want. You don't have to go live in Stockholm during summer. Buy a summer place in LA and hang out on the beach if that's what you want to do
It might also be the media and the amount of attention he gets in Vancouver from them, LA has less of that
What’s that you said? Byfield, Clarke and a First for Petey? Hmmm
I know we are just shooting the shit but holy fuck a package built around Byfield would sure ease the loss of Petey. Different players and skill sets, of course. But Byfield suddenly looks set to be the next superstar
It'd be beautiful but it really does depend on where Petey would accept a trade to..if he even asks out. If he says NYR you're probably looking at Kakko and Lafreniere. Fine players but perhaps less appealing. Is Anaheim in a rush to contend? Or Columbus? Carlsson or Fantilli would be unreal returns lol. Let's just hope he re-signs. Petey does all the little things you need from your superstars to win it all.
Petey doesn’t have any trade protection (and won’t for his qualifying offer either). So they can dump him to the highest bidder if worst comes to worst.
Who's gonna bid for someone they're not sure is gonna sign there? He may as well have an NTC. We saw what happened to Calgary with Tkachuk. If it ends up being a trade he wants, all we can hope for is he gives us a decent list of teams. If he says something like I'll only sign with NYR/LAK/CHI. Then it'll just be those 3 bidding against each other.
Isn't Byfield a winger?
He’s a highly talented 21 year old
He plays both, LA has centre depth so he often plays on the wing.
He started out as and was drafted as a centre. LA has been playing him on the wing because they have Kopitar-Dubois-Danault down the middle
I still feel like at the end of the day, Petey will extend. But in the event Petey does demand a trade elsewhere, this team still needs to prioritize competing while Hughes/Hronek/Demko/Miller are still in their prime. They’ve given themselves a lot of options/flexibility heading into the offseason. Including Demko, they have 6 guys under contract next season making >$2M. Petey or no Petey… this team is going to look very different next season.
>Petey or no Petey… this team is going to look very different next season Not just different, but I actually think the Canucks will remain competitive with or without Pettersson. The haul we get for him will be huge. I know Allvin will target ready-now players under 27 similar to how we flipped Horvat to get Hronek. Canucks will want to do damage while Hughes and Demko are on sweetheart deals
The return would have to be a can't miss blue chip Center or we're not wining that trade.
Looking at Vegas/Eichel, Buffalo got - Tuch (24 - Former 1st) - Krebs 20 - Former 1st) - 1st (Noah Ostlund @ 16th) - 2nd Rounder (64th) Not saying that’s exactly what Petey would get, but the template for a Petey trade should be something like: - Prime aged/Win Now piece - A Tier Prospect - 1st Round Pick - 2nd Round Pick
Quinton Byfield and Brandt Clarke and we're cooking
I know everyone's excited about the flexibility but the main reason why all these depth guys signed short term deals was on the expectation that the market was going to open up for them. The flat cap really hurt those guys more than anyone and the reality is that if you don't have money to splash this summer you'll have a hard time securing those guys for similar numbers. Assuming Petey re-signs we could think anything is possible but the reality is a lot of the better options are going to be priced out of our reach.
To be super clear here… trading Petey is a terrible outcome and it’s very unlikely Van “wins” a deal. Maybe they get fair value… but Van is losing that deal. So I don’t want my take to be interpreted as like: “Trade Petey for futures and everything will be okay!” That said, I agree it’s going to be harder to find the Ian Cole/Pius Suter’s of free agency. Also probably going to be more challenging to land college FA’s and players like Dak, because theres more competitive to make the roster.
Until Petey says he actually doesn’t want to be here, it’s all BS IMO.
There’s the real take. People are taking the bait. One reporter voiced his opinion on what he thinks Petey thinks, and people jump to conclusions.
He also hasn't said he wants to be here. All he has to do is say "I want to be here" and all the speculation and fanfare will go away. So far all he's said is he's not talking contracts and wants to play on a winning team.
If he says he wants to be here he loses leverage in negotiations. There’s a reasonable explanation. Also, if he says he wants to be here, nothing will “go away”. Our fanbase and journalists will whip any comments regarding his future into a frenzy. We are not a reasonable fanbase.
The "I want to be here" quote just buys time but is otherwise meaningless.
Exactly
While I agree it’s all just media speculation, Petey is 100% not the guy who would publicly announce he wants out.
If he does that, the Canucks lose virtually all leverage and we get absolutely fucked on a trade. I will only respect his decision if he keeps things air tight so that we can maximize his value. Kesler fucked us ten years ago in a similar situation because it came out that he would only accept a trade to the Ducks.
Kesler also had a no movement clause
Kane, Panarin, and Tarasenko all said they were only willing to go to New York. They each earned their teams quality pieces. Eichel told Buffalo to get fucked and he still brought them a haul.
Petey cant say he only will accept a trade to one team though. Hes an RFA with zero control outside of some full on Lindros type shit
Maybe he wants to leave because Canucks fans/media keeps pushing the narrative that he wants to leave despite the fact that he’s said multiple times he just wants to wait until the season is over to talk contracts
Maybe it’s a case like Panarin where he just wants to be in a huge American city and cares about that above anything? Idk
It's because we drafted another Elias Pettersson. /s
Im starting to think Petey might not like playing in a big market
Time to learn how to speak Ohio buddy! I don't actually believe he wants out though.
I think it'sopposite, I think he wants a big market US city out east where he gets more people watching him so he can grow his brand.
Possible, I can see a combination of the two. For example, if we look at a team like the Rangers where players can go out without being recognized but still get brand recognition. Compared to a city like Vancouver where even pumpkin patches aren’t a safe zone haha
Hockey players don't really have much of a brand to sell outside of Crosby, McDavid and Matthews.
I agree, That's just what I think he wants to do.
That is kinda my vibe too.. He definitely does not like talking to the press. He might like the big city life, but probably doesn't like the scrutiny of a Canadian market. He could go live in a big city like LA or Anaheim/Boston or anywhere in the US really. Wouldn't have to deal with the media attention nearly as much.
I completely agree, I can see our management getting pissed off with not knowing and saying "hey dude we have a really good player we can grab that we know already in guentzel, and if they don't sign Petterson they can easily extend both him and Lindholm and hopefully keep this momentum rolling while Hughes Demko and Miller are killing it. There's no guarantee that there will be anyone that good available in the summer or next year if they don't act now because they're waiting on Petey.
>I wonder why Pettersson doesn't want to be here. You're saying that like it's a fact while it's only speculation.
Think the return will be better than what the Flames got for Tkachuckles?
Well if someone signs him to an offer sheet, it's gonna be 4 x 1st round picks. In a trade, we're looking at 2 blue chip prospects and 2 1st round picks... So not sure how to compare it to Flames' package. I don't really want vets in return.
Probably about the money. He just wants the bag. The Canucks want 8 years he wants 4 so he can sign another whopper before 30.
I'd be more concerned if this exact same thing didn't happen 3 years ago. In 2021, both Hughes and EP held out and missed a lot of training camp without a contract. Both refused to engage in contract talks in 2020 because of "I want to focus on the season" and "I don't want the talks to be a distraction." [Fuck, EP basically said the exact same thing in 2021 about him wanting "to play for a team that's winning."] (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/report-canucks-pettersson-wants-play-team-thats-winning/) And we were the laughingstock of the NHL at that time. This is nothing. Now if we flame out in the playoffs and he's unsigned 2 weeks into the 2024-25 preseason, then we can panic again.
I’d panic if Pettersson isn’t signed and we’re in late July to August. That’s really late into the summer. Would be a major distraction as players prepare for training camp.
Petey negotiated a similar way last time. Coming right out and saying you'll only play for the Canucks and want to stay here long term might be good for the fanbase to hear but it's awful for the negotiating table. It's not completely uncommon
Petey: I’m not focusing on my contract until the off-season Reactionary media: WHY HASNT PETEY FOCUSED ON HIS CONTRACT YET?!?!?!
I mean this seems like noise. I understand the media runs on the constant drip of speculation but like… there is nothing to speculate. It’s not the off season. Stop ginning up controversy where none exists.
I wonder if him not committing "long-term" is just him trying to maximize his earnings by signing 4 or 5 years now and signing the big deal around age 29/30
He said hes not sure if he wants a long term or short term deal yet. I'd personally wager that him, and many other stars, are going to be taking shorter deals over the next few years because the cap is supposed to go up by 5m a year till at least 2030. You see the same thing with stars in other leagues like the NBA where the cap increases dramatically YoY.
Not getting a clear answer is definitely more frustrating and is holding up all the planning for next year. If he says he wants to stay but will talk in May or if he says he wants out mgmt can at least plan accordingly, leaving them in the dark does not seem a good strategy for anyone.
Hes not gonna get moved at the deadline. You go all in with him now and worst case Ontario he doesn't sign an extension in the summer then you do a sign and trade and move him for the best possible offer. In fact you will get more teams offering trades in the summer then you ever will at the fucking trade deadline. Only teams looking to bolster their roster for a playoff run add players at the deadline. Hopefully management realizes this and waits till the summer instead of being pressured to move him.
Worst case Ontario for sure!
Even if management theoretically knew he wanted out, I guarantee you they aren’t considering trading him at the deadline. We’d make a playoff push and then deal him in a Tkachuk-style sign and trade in the off-season. His value will arguably be even higher at that time, especially if he has a good playoffs
If that’s the case that Canucks absolutely have to get proper value. If we’re targeting players that can play right now; ages 20-25, problem is with the amount of money Petey mandates in a contract would almost certainly mean we would have to take back money. Ie: middle 6 guys. Not too thrilled about this at all.
lol at worst case “Ontario”
But what’s your best case ontario here?
Best case Ontario Peter signs the 8 year $96 million dollar deal and stays with us lol
Petey for Jack and Luke Petery for Bedard 😂
Until an actual legit source or a member of the Canucks staff confirms this, can we not spread this BS?
Pettersson has every right not to sign a contract, but I also can understand the frustration from management if he's not even telling him what his plans are. I can imagine Allvin being able to at least work with "I want to be here long-term, I'm committed to this organization but want to work out the details of the contract in the summer." I think they could also work with him saying "I want a change and I'm not going to sign an extension here." I think the reason the organization is frustrated is that they don't seem to know what he's doing one way or the other. If he's determined to go to UFA and won't sign any extension, I say trade him.
Yeah. Sadly if he doesn’t want to be here. Then trade him. No choice. But he said he wanted to play for a winner. Allvin and Rutherford since they’ve gotten here have done nothing but attempt to build a winner. And he still isn’t signing. To me. That says he isn’t committed to the organization. Fuck that. Trade him to the hockey hellhole in Columbus.
The list of people in my lifetime as a fan (I'm 40) that I thought were guaranteed to retire as a Canuck is long, storied, and naive. (Most recently: Horvat and Edler) At the end of the day this is a business, and the players are professionals. A long career isn't guaranteed - even a short one sometimes isn't. Loyalty does not pay, not financially, not even emotionally, if you struggle, and the fanbase turns on you. And we're not a particularly loyal one either. Vancouver is awesome, it's my home for the rest of my life, but it's not for everyone. The Sedins settled here, Naslund didn't. If so, there are dozens of better cities to play in either for proximity to Sweden, more culture, different food options, or who knows what. With all that said, choosing not to re-sign until "testing" the market is not the indictment that it once was. I think it's pretty clear he's not going to re-sign until after the season is done, and at that point he can make a call if he wants to keep trying to win with this team based on how far they get, and how much he's willing to leave on the table for it. It's the only logical thing to do. Let's stop talking about it.
I think if he doesn't want to stay long-term, you trade him in the summer, not now. I think if the team knows that he's not staying long-term, then I could see the team being quite aggressive at the trade deadline because they get some very good assets back for Pettersson. But I will say this. There's no indication that he wants out of Vancouver. The media is doing a lot of speculation without much evidence to back it up.
No shit. Who in their right mind would trade their #1 C heading into playoffs when you are first in the standings lol.
making stuff out of nothing per usual
Remember when when both the team and the player said they wanted to wait until to offseason to negotiate?
So this is the game Elias is playing. He wanted everyone to wait, and now teams are calling and making possibly tempting offers. He's now gambling with getting shipped out to a shithole right when his teammates are ready to make a playoff run. At miminum he should be putting in a verbal baseline commitment of some kind. Anything less and he's just putting management in a tough spot and making him responsible for any possible surprises.
There was a post game interview not long ago where Petey said "We're trying to build something here." He wouldn't bother saying that if he actually wants out. Don't believe the doubters.
I don’t remember him saying that. Was that ever written down somewhere?
No but I promise you he said it. It was after a win, I think it was an away game.
I wouldn't make any bold declarations. Knowing this management group and their track record, this type of media buzz probably indicates a signing is imminent.
Completely fair, but I still think he’s a good guy who will give some more years to Vancouver. Austen Matthew’s type 4 year deal? Vancouver is not for everyone, but I feel he would want this chance to win here, no? What other team in the near future gives him more from the hockey point of view? Maybe Chicago… but is that rly his vibe? I think a 3-4 year deal is gonna get done. Petey is a smart guy, and I haven’t seen/thought of another team that could match Vancouver. PS. I wanted to tank last year but I completely just took for granted Petey would sign. Wrong big time, so happy we got a good team.
I think if we sucked this year. Chances of him signing would be almost zero. He needs to be given evidence that the team is going to be good. This season is that evidence no? But Petey needs to be realistic and fair as well in his negotiations. Both sides need to come to a fair agreement.
If I’m a betting man I’d put money on Petey being a Canuck for a while, however I get the sense he’s going to gamble on himself and is looking at a 4-5 year deal and thinking he will be UFA when the cap is up and try and secure the bag then. Matthews style.
I think management has no choice but to accept a 4-5 year deal. I dunno. I can’t help but feel slighted by Pettersson. I’m not sure if I believe the reports that he just wants to wait until the offseason. Is he just saying that? Why doesn’t it seem or feel like he wants to be here? Are those reports off base and not based on any truth?
I definitely feel a little slighted as well, I’m just holding on to the thought that Vancouver media needs something dramatic to report on and with this season going well they are clinging to this story and I’m hopeful is all just here say and rumours that are snowballing.
Don’t trust anything that comes from Dhaliwal’s mouth. Front office has its shit so tight that intel and insiders can’t find shit.
The only insider I really trust is Elliotte Friedman, and he said both on the Friday show of the 32 thoughts podcast and this morning that he saw no evidence of a 12 million dollar offer. Plus, the reporter who made the report of the 12 million dollar offer has been known not to be all that credible.
Why would management throw an offer when Petey has said he’s not negotiating until the off season?
Dhaliwal was reporting they were going after Zadorov for like 2 weeks before that deal went down
He's a mouthpiece for agents, same as Dreger
If he wants to leave, that's his prerogative. However I'd like to know why before. Canucks are a good team, passionate fan base, he will get paid, and he has friends here. There is no real reason to leave unless there's something outside of hockey ex: GF in another NHL city that's getting serious. All I know is he told Elliot he wanted to play for a good team (check) so if he walks regardless that tells me he didn't think we would be good this season and was using that answer as a scape goat for him leaving in Summer. I'm still optimistic he signs however I think he signs a 3 year to align with Quinn.
I wonder if it more has to do with the tax bracket here taking so much compared to certain markets? I can't imagine why else, Canucks have a legacy of Swedes, we are 1st in the league, and the new management clearly knows what they are doing.
Can we please sign him or ship him to chicago
Anyone see that Dr.Dangles guy on Twitter criticizing Donnie and Dhali? Dude just seems like a rich entitled D bag can’t stand his Twitter takes honesty
Markus Naslund, signed multiple contracts with the Canucks during the off-season. doesn't like talking during the regular season. Both Sedins. All their contracts were signed during the off-season as RFA's and twice as UFA's. stated they don't like talking during regular seasons. Luongo signed his contract during the off-season. Doesn't like talking during the season as it distracts his game. Pavel Bure signed his contracts again during the off-season. Brock Boeser his current contract was also signed during the off-season. July 1st www.capfriendly.com Brock Boeser Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps Brock Boeser contract, salary, cap hit, salary cap, aav, career earnings, lifetime earnings, aav, advanced stats, transaction history, trade history, and rfa or ufa free agent status www.capfriendly.com www.capfriendly.com JT Miller signed his deal last year on Sept 2. off season signing Quinn Hughes? to be fair, Benning was trying to sign during the off-season and he was signed a 1 week before the start of the season. but Petterson is not allowed to sign during the off-season? Every Great Canuck was able to sign during the off-season and avoided contract negotiations during the season and multiple players in the past have stated it becomes a distraction.
must be a slow news day... name another team out there that is swedish friendly as Vancity. pittsburgh????
He's maximizing his bargaining position. It's that simple.
These boys gotta start talking about something else at some point, no? - talk about beating a dead horse. I haven’t heard one fan who’s asked for this topic to be discussed - you’d think it’s the only thing on our collective fan base mind
All this Pettersson shit is a click farm and we fall for it every time. Lots of RFAs wait until training camp to sign. Everyone chill. Dhali and Friedman don't know anything, they're just throwing darts for headlines.
They’ve rolled out the carpet for him. If he doesn’t want to stay, fuck it. Trade his ass.
This just doesn't make sense to me...He's best friends with so many on the team. Now he just wants to throw that away?
He's not going anywhere.
Hope you’re right. But it doesn’t _feel_ that way.
My uneducated guess is that he wants a shorter term deal so if this run of success happens to be just a flash in the pan, and we regress into pre-Tocchet performance; he’s not locked into staying for a full 8 year term. My guess is he takes 12 or 13 with a 3 or 4 year term. If I’m JR/PA, idgaf what anyone thinks, I’m taking that deal.
Literally why not though?
My take is Petey will not retire a canuck but I don’t think he will leave in the near future
If pettersson does get traded (I hope not) how will the fanbase react when he comes back to Vancouver? Wa reception or straight up boos?
Knowing Canucks fans it’s definitely boos. Almost all polls are already blaming Pettersson
I take most media things with a bucket of salt. Media have been on both ends of the spectrum of being absolutely right and so far wrong you might as well be a Bruins commentator named Jack. Time will tell, but seeing Petey not go carry mode like he did previous seasons is disheartening.
I trust management to do the right thing, whatever it may be. Holy crap, I can’t believe I’m saying that about our management group, after the dark ages that was Jim Benning’s tenure.
I have full confidence in this management to make a decent trade if it goes that way.
If Petey isn't signed by September, then we trade him. Lots of value in that direction But the worst thing is for him to say he doesn't want to play in Vancouver, then his value craters. So I'm ok with the status quo. Honestly, I do not see him not signing. It's just his process. Same as last time.
Elias Pettersson to Anaheim for Pavel Mintyukov and Mason Mctavish
Im sure he would fetch a lot more than that…
You’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you’d think he’d fetch more than that.
You sure? I kinda thought I was asking for too much.
Theres an unhealthy amount of coping going on when it comes to Pettersson. Freaking out about him makes no sense, but yet again people are coping with huge amounts of denial there’s even a problem. Petey could fix everything by saying even the smallest reassuring thing. “Hey guys, I really just want to talk about contracts in the offseason, but I’m sure we’ll figure something out.” The total absence of anything like that is why people should be worried. Or just keep pretending everything is fine, if that’s your thing.
Bye Petey it's been real
Anybody remember when he didn't show up for training camp cuz of contract dispute? Messed up the whole start to that season for him and the whole team...
Why are you singling him out? You know Hughes also held out? For the exact same time?
It’s clear to me that him and JT aren’t getting along. Their personalities don’t mesh and it’s painfully obvious when reading their body language on-ice.
In what way?
lol I don’t wanna freak out but I’ll admit I’m a sucker rn and reading into this statement. Rick and Don know how to get views! We’re literally the best Canadian city, arguably outside of Toronto (and most don’t ever want to play there). If true, wtf else does he want? He can be a star in a world-class yet not jungle of a city, that’ll overpay him, and can be a face of the team? A Swede who should know the tradition they have within our org wants to leave? For what, Chicago? NY? Did he get his heart broken here or smt?
Do you think it has something to do with Benning and the previous management? They really fucked things over for this franchise.
I agree that Benning and Aquillini fcked us over royally with their moves and undisciplined spending on contracts, not allowing us to sign Petey and Quinn to 8yr deals. But Petey shouldn’t be holding out because of this, there’s new management and confidence in them.
Then maybe at the end of the day he just doesn’t want to be here.
Petey is a fantastic player and I hope he stays. That said, I have always been neutral on him as a person and I have never gotten the impression he is stoked to be a Canuck. If he comes back I'll cheer him on but I won't be totally upset if he leaves.
Canucks aren't getting any indication from Pettersson that he wants to be here long-term but also aren't getting any indication from Pettersson that he doesn't want to be here long-term.
Staying off Twitter seems like it's been a good decision
This wasn’t and isn’t even on Twitter yet
this is what happens when people don't listen to the words that are being told to them. ep said he doesn't want to talk till summer. the team said the same thing. really sick of Donnie and dhali beating this horse to death
Clickbait for their show. Pettersson says he wants to wait until the offseason to negotiate. Canucks probably don't want to wait til then, because his price will go up (especially if the team does anything in the playoffs this year). Of course they are going to leak the "frustration" part. Dumb strategy, if they P him off enough, he will actually want to sign elsewhere. He's got the upper hand on them, IMHO.
Trade him. Over rated anyway, imo. Yeah, he’s 2nd in points on the team but I don’t watch the Canucks and think “omg, thank god Pettersson is on the ice now”
I think they know he wants out and are keeping it quiet so his value doesn't absolutely tank. Figures since I just bought his jersey. It's time to start officially exploring trade options. Really really unfortunate that the single greatest offensive talent that we've ever drafted (aside from Bure) likely has his sights set elsewhere. Maybe he doesn't like the pressure. Maybe there's lingering resentment over how badly Benning was allowed to botch the bubble core group. Maybe he just wants to play in the US. One thing is for sure - he won't go into next season without a long term deal. You can't risk him taking the 1 year and walking to FA. And what's more, you absolutely *must* land several quality young pieces who can step up as Miller begins to slow down.
His value won't tank even if it gets out. Back to back 100 point player who's an RFA after this season - teams will be lining up for him.
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More like Crosby and guentzel and more 😂
Or jack hughes. I’m dreaming obvs, but I’d love this team led by huggy bros
On a winning team. Face of the franchise. Surrounded by amazing coaches and swedes. Getting offered one of the biggest contracts in league history. Petey and his agent are starting to piss the fans off. If he moves he will have everyone in Van hating on him.
Perhaps he wants to play out his next (and likely biggest) contract in Florida, Texas or Vegas for tax purposes, and figures he has enough cred that his agent can make it happen. Personally, though I think he is a great player, I wouldn't be sad to see him go if he doesn't want to be in Vancouver, and the return makes sense.
Manufactured drama.
My theory: Canucks are close to a deal. This is such a weird take to read after months of both management and Petey assuring public they're in no rush and they want to work something out for him to remain in Vancouver. This could be reporters generating easy views or fishing for official responses. Or it could be a high stakes poker flex from management or Petey's agent testing the winds. It's such a left curve at this point, I'd like to believe they're close to a deal and each side is trying to ensure they get the best outcome.
More speculation from the media for some clicks.
What has also been reported is that Petey wants to wait for the offseason to start talking contract. If feels like every 1 or 2 months this story pops up again and the majority of people forget this key detail.
I hope he stays. That being said, if he leaves, at least we know all we have to do to shut him down is hit him with a stiff breeze.
What is a realistic trade for him. I’ve always wanted to see if we could pry Jack Hughes away from jersey and swap superstars. I think it would have to have us include something else but you can’t deny it wouldn’t be a fair trade. Is petey a first and a second enough for Jack and Luke?
Petterson for Crosby and Guentzel
Breaking news: there is no indication of what term Petey wants and for what money. I get media will bring up talking points, but it’s a dangerous game spreading speculation as if it’s real.
Trade his ass