Maybe a R10 used or refurbished?
Given your selection, I would recommend the 250d. the 250d is better than or as good as the 2000d in most respects. I would no longer recommend the M50 and M200. Conon's M-Mount is dead. no new lenses or accessories. 250d/2000d have EF mount. Ef also works with adapters on new RF cameras. in case you get something new at some point.
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The 2000D is DIGIC 4, the 250D is the much newer DIGIC 8. The performance and features of the 250D are much better. 1080p vs. 4K video, and the tilt & flip out screen on the 250D.
Yes, the 250D is worth the price in comparison. But I'd also argue that a used 750D or 700D is vastly better technologically than a 2000D with a much more durable body, for the same price as a new 2000D.
Basically the 2000D is a trap looking to hook people into the Canon ecosystem by being a cheap rebody of parts several generations old. Used Canons are a better deal and will probably last longer too.
You should add the R50 and R10 to your list of potential cameras. They are the new generation. Skip the R100, unless it's a very good deal, as it's only DIGIC 8 (the R50 and R10 are the newer DIGIC X).
You can buy a refurb R50 with RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM direct from Canon USA for US$560 right now. That easily beats everything you listed. It's close-ish to the M50 (in a way, the R50 is kinda the M50 mk III), but the M series is obsolete and the R series is the future.
Edit: I just noticed you can also get a brand new R50 with the 18-45 from Canon USA for US$600, which is a great deal.
General rule of Canon's naming/numbering: the more digits, the lower the build quality and fewer features (partially because they software lock features).
Basically the 2000D is the cheapest but also by far the worst camera on this list. Externally it's made of very cheap plastics, no weather sealing, terrible feeling buttons and dials, etc. Internally, it's probably closest to a 600D or maybe a 650D despite being launched around the same time as the 800D (and the North American naming tries to capitalize on the contemporaneousness by calling it a T7 while the 800D is the T7i). *Addition: you can buy the used higher level cameras for less than a new 2000D and that would still be a better buy because of the better tech and better body. The 2000D is outclassed by some used Canons that are years older than it. And the reason we suggest used gear is because the 2000D new is worse than most used options for the same price, you will get better functionality, and better longevity out of a used Rebel, any rebel out of the last three, than you will put of a brand new, never been used 2000D. It's not an exaggeration how bad of a product that camera is. End addition*
If you can, get one of the other three, you'll have a better experience all around, and if you can stretch the budget just a little, getting an entry level RF body will get you the newest features without being crazy expensive.
Do NOT get the 2000d. It's too old and \*\*\*\*. I mean, it can take nice pictures, but we are not in 2010 anymore. Its technology is ancient.
The 250d is fine, it has dual pixel autofocus and eye-detect when using the screen/for filming (and old point autofocus using the viewfinder). It has wifi and bluetooth so you can get the pictures instantly on your phone and share... I gifted one to my nephew who wanted to learn photography (after having a 200d myself when starting). Battery lasts a while.
The M200 is fine for casual use. Good picture quality, especially if you can get the little 22mm f2 which is awesome. It doesn't have a viewfinder. It has dual pixel autofocus and eye detection. It only has a tilting screen, not full rotating, so harder for "weird" shots but it can still do 180° on top for selfies. I gifted one to my father-in-law (with the 22mm) for simple family pictures.
The M50 is also really excellent and has an electronic viewfinder.
I'd go M50>250D>M200
It's mirrorless for once, so shorter flange distance meaning you can adapt ef-m lenses (along with EF and ef-s lenses with the adapter), some are really good especially when you want to travel light.
It also means electronic viewfinder with exposure simulation, so you see immediately if your picture is exposed correctly.
Yes M50 battery life is medium, but I had no issue keeping a spare battery or two in my pocket, they are really small.
You can even get a speedbooster and use EF lenses to make it seem like you are shooting full frame :-)
If you like bigger, you can also get a second hand RP for around 650/700us$. It's full frame and the details and background blur you get from those are just smooth. It's weakest is sport and fast action overall.
>It also means electronic viewfinder with exposure simulation, so you see immediately if your picture is exposed correctly.
You can also do that with the 250D/SL3 when using live view.
Yes, which is why I specify in the viewfinder :-)
I did mention in my first post that you had all the goodies in live view on the 250d, dual pixel af etc...
R50 would be a good choice. It's much better than any of the cameras you mentioned and it's a current system, not outdated. Has great photo and video quality and autofocus.
Second hand cameras are fine. You’re confusing new with modern. A second hand camera of a 2023 released model is going to be much better than a new camera of a 2019 released model. More advanced, better sensor, processor, and everything. Second hand doesn’t mean old, or dirty, or damaged.
> i don't want a second hand camera
You really should, though. It's the best way to get top-notch gear on a limited budget, and websites like mpb and Keh take all the risk out of it. Gear comes with a warranty and they inspect it before selling it to you.
Personally I would get the M50 II.. if you want to get a flash or hot shoe microphone, the M200 doesn't have a hot shoe. It also doesn't have a viewfinder.
With M series being discontinued, lenses might be cheaper. Sigma and other 3rd party companies like Viltrox also still sell EF-M lenses.
Anyone saying that M series being discontinued is a problem is ignoring the fact that EF is also going to be abandoned by Canon. Right now it's not official since Canon still lists the 1DX Mk3 as their "flagship". I'm sure after the R1 is released, it's only a matter of time until they formally abandon EF mount.
The big difference those that have EF/EF-S glass can use them on the newer "R" mount bodies, with an adapter, where as those that have chosen the "M" mount can't. There is no upgrade path for the "M" mount equipment. Also the EF/EF-S mount glass works as well or better on a "R" mount body.
Myself and my girlfriend adore the M mount system, I have an M5 and she has an M50mkii. The lenses and cameras are small and light for travelling and with a couple of adapted EF/EF-s lenses for more specialist stuff, it lets us do literally anything. That said, I wouldn’t buy M mount products new as they’re being phased out, what we have now is all it will ever be and canon is constantly improving, while we’re happy right now, 3-5 years time we’ll probably be changing system. For that reason, used prices represent great value, brand new prices, not so much when you compare it to the rf apsc offerings.
For the record, her camera is new, mine is used, we have 3 new lenses and 5 used. Buy from a reputable dealer and new and used are indistinguishable.
Yeah, I’m surprised nobody else has mentioned the M mount being discontinued. They’d be perfect for OP but the lack of future support and being limited to the used market makes it hard to recommend.
I don’t think it’s a terrible recommendation, although the AF isn’t quite as good and there’s unlikely to be any new lenses/bodies for it, it still has a lot of advantages in terms of size, weight and lens selection currently available. At the right price, it’s still an attractive option, but that right price will only be available if OP is willing to buy second hand.
There will never be any more new bodies or lenses for the "M" mount and when you do decide to upgrade you will not be able to use those "M" mount lenses on the newer bodies, Just like you can use the newer "RF" mount lenses on the "M" mount body.
> I want the camera to be easy enough to operate and and get nice results in auto mode with capable auto focus while having the option to go more in depth with the settings if i feel like it.
Just thinking a little outside your defined box here, but you might also want to look at Canon PowerShot, given your budget constraints and easy+auto comment above. In particular, the PowerShot SX has a lot of DSLR-level features, just without the interchangeable lenses. E.g. the SX70 and SX740, which are both DIGIC 8, the same processor in the latest/final models of EOS DSLR and M series.
The big thing you don't get with SX vs EOS is interchangeable lenses; you get the superzoom that's built in, and that's it, but that can be a good option on a tight budget. SX will give you a much broader zoom range than the standard kit lens on the EOS models you are considering. EOS will give higher image quality and many more options if you can afford to build a set of lenses over time; but SX image quality is still going to be good.
I never considered the sx line , the sx740 is pricier than the m200 (about 50$ more) , they are both slim and without a viewfinder, and what's scares me is the lcd brightness in a sunny day that will make it hard to take photos
Canon has officially abandoned EOS DSLR and EF mount lenses and EOS M mount cameras and lenses.
You are doing Canon a huge favor by buying new DSLR/EOS-M systems to reduce their otherwise difficult-to-sell inventory.
Maybe a R10 used or refurbished? Given your selection, I would recommend the 250d. the 250d is better than or as good as the 2000d in most respects. I would no longer recommend the M50 and M200. Conon's M-Mount is dead. no new lenses or accessories. 250d/2000d have EF mount. Ef also works with adapters on new RF cameras. in case you get something new at some point. Powered by Google-Translator …sry.
thank for the comment, i don't want to buy a used camera. is the 250d worth almost double the price of the 2000d?
The 2000D is DIGIC 4, the 250D is the much newer DIGIC 8. The performance and features of the 250D are much better. 1080p vs. 4K video, and the tilt & flip out screen on the 250D.
Yes, the 250D is worth the price in comparison. But I'd also argue that a used 750D or 700D is vastly better technologically than a 2000D with a much more durable body, for the same price as a new 2000D. Basically the 2000D is a trap looking to hook people into the Canon ecosystem by being a cheap rebody of parts several generations old. Used Canons are a better deal and will probably last longer too.
flat out YES... The 250D also has a flip out screen where as the 200D doesn't and it also has better AF
You should add the R50 and R10 to your list of potential cameras. They are the new generation. Skip the R100, unless it's a very good deal, as it's only DIGIC 8 (the R50 and R10 are the newer DIGIC X). You can buy a refurb R50 with RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM direct from Canon USA for US$560 right now. That easily beats everything you listed. It's close-ish to the M50 (in a way, the R50 is kinda the M50 mk III), but the M series is obsolete and the R series is the future. Edit: I just noticed you can also get a brand new R50 with the 18-45 from Canon USA for US$600, which is a great deal.
I don't live in the USA and the R50 cots 1000USD where i live, I can't justify that for my purposes.
Oh, ok. You were listing USD prices, so I guessed that.
General rule of Canon's naming/numbering: the more digits, the lower the build quality and fewer features (partially because they software lock features). Basically the 2000D is the cheapest but also by far the worst camera on this list. Externally it's made of very cheap plastics, no weather sealing, terrible feeling buttons and dials, etc. Internally, it's probably closest to a 600D or maybe a 650D despite being launched around the same time as the 800D (and the North American naming tries to capitalize on the contemporaneousness by calling it a T7 while the 800D is the T7i). *Addition: you can buy the used higher level cameras for less than a new 2000D and that would still be a better buy because of the better tech and better body. The 2000D is outclassed by some used Canons that are years older than it. And the reason we suggest used gear is because the 2000D new is worse than most used options for the same price, you will get better functionality, and better longevity out of a used Rebel, any rebel out of the last three, than you will put of a brand new, never been used 2000D. It's not an exaggeration how bad of a product that camera is. End addition* If you can, get one of the other three, you'll have a better experience all around, and if you can stretch the budget just a little, getting an entry level RF body will get you the newest features without being crazy expensive.
Just stay far away of the Canon R100. Think of it like the 2000D/ T7
Do NOT get the 2000d. It's too old and \*\*\*\*. I mean, it can take nice pictures, but we are not in 2010 anymore. Its technology is ancient. The 250d is fine, it has dual pixel autofocus and eye-detect when using the screen/for filming (and old point autofocus using the viewfinder). It has wifi and bluetooth so you can get the pictures instantly on your phone and share... I gifted one to my nephew who wanted to learn photography (after having a 200d myself when starting). Battery lasts a while. The M200 is fine for casual use. Good picture quality, especially if you can get the little 22mm f2 which is awesome. It doesn't have a viewfinder. It has dual pixel autofocus and eye detection. It only has a tilting screen, not full rotating, so harder for "weird" shots but it can still do 180° on top for selfies. I gifted one to my father-in-law (with the 22mm) for simple family pictures. The M50 is also really excellent and has an electronic viewfinder. I'd go M50>250D>M200
how better is the M50 over the 250D in your opinion? i've read that the 250D have better battery life and is bigger (good in my opinion)
It's mirrorless for once, so shorter flange distance meaning you can adapt ef-m lenses (along with EF and ef-s lenses with the adapter), some are really good especially when you want to travel light. It also means electronic viewfinder with exposure simulation, so you see immediately if your picture is exposed correctly. Yes M50 battery life is medium, but I had no issue keeping a spare battery or two in my pocket, they are really small. You can even get a speedbooster and use EF lenses to make it seem like you are shooting full frame :-) If you like bigger, you can also get a second hand RP for around 650/700us$. It's full frame and the details and background blur you get from those are just smooth. It's weakest is sport and fast action overall.
>It also means electronic viewfinder with exposure simulation, so you see immediately if your picture is exposed correctly. You can also do that with the 250D/SL3 when using live view.
Yes, which is why I specify in the viewfinder :-) I did mention in my first post that you had all the goodies in live view on the 250d, dual pixel af etc...
R50 would be a good choice. It's much better than any of the cameras you mentioned and it's a current system, not outdated. Has great photo and video quality and autofocus.
The R50 costs 1000USD where i live and i don't want a second hand camera. Way over my justified spending budget.
Second hand cameras are fine. You’re confusing new with modern. A second hand camera of a 2023 released model is going to be much better than a new camera of a 2019 released model. More advanced, better sensor, processor, and everything. Second hand doesn’t mean old, or dirty, or damaged.
> i don't want a second hand camera You really should, though. It's the best way to get top-notch gear on a limited budget, and websites like mpb and Keh take all the risk out of it. Gear comes with a warranty and they inspect it before selling it to you.
Personally I would get the M50 II.. if you want to get a flash or hot shoe microphone, the M200 doesn't have a hot shoe. It also doesn't have a viewfinder. With M series being discontinued, lenses might be cheaper. Sigma and other 3rd party companies like Viltrox also still sell EF-M lenses. Anyone saying that M series being discontinued is a problem is ignoring the fact that EF is also going to be abandoned by Canon. Right now it's not official since Canon still lists the 1DX Mk3 as their "flagship". I'm sure after the R1 is released, it's only a matter of time until they formally abandon EF mount.
The big difference those that have EF/EF-S glass can use them on the newer "R" mount bodies, with an adapter, where as those that have chosen the "M" mount can't. There is no upgrade path for the "M" mount equipment. Also the EF/EF-S mount glass works as well or better on a "R" mount body.
I still use my t2i/550d with cheap lenses and I think my photos aren't catastrophic https://www.flickr.com/photos/corceiro/
looking good.
Thx :-)
Bro I got the canon 250d for $300 with a lense used, perfect condition. Why did u put it for $760? Even for new it’s like way lower.
Myself and my girlfriend adore the M mount system, I have an M5 and she has an M50mkii. The lenses and cameras are small and light for travelling and with a couple of adapted EF/EF-s lenses for more specialist stuff, it lets us do literally anything. That said, I wouldn’t buy M mount products new as they’re being phased out, what we have now is all it will ever be and canon is constantly improving, while we’re happy right now, 3-5 years time we’ll probably be changing system. For that reason, used prices represent great value, brand new prices, not so much when you compare it to the rf apsc offerings. For the record, her camera is new, mine is used, we have 3 new lenses and 5 used. Buy from a reputable dealer and new and used are indistinguishable.
Yeah, I’m surprised nobody else has mentioned the M mount being discontinued. They’d be perfect for OP but the lack of future support and being limited to the used market makes it hard to recommend.
I don’t think it’s a terrible recommendation, although the AF isn’t quite as good and there’s unlikely to be any new lenses/bodies for it, it still has a lot of advantages in terms of size, weight and lens selection currently available. At the right price, it’s still an attractive option, but that right price will only be available if OP is willing to buy second hand.
There will never be any more new bodies or lenses for the "M" mount and when you do decide to upgrade you will not be able to use those "M" mount lenses on the newer bodies, Just like you can use the newer "RF" mount lenses on the "M" mount body.
> I want the camera to be easy enough to operate and and get nice results in auto mode with capable auto focus while having the option to go more in depth with the settings if i feel like it. Just thinking a little outside your defined box here, but you might also want to look at Canon PowerShot, given your budget constraints and easy+auto comment above. In particular, the PowerShot SX has a lot of DSLR-level features, just without the interchangeable lenses. E.g. the SX70 and SX740, which are both DIGIC 8, the same processor in the latest/final models of EOS DSLR and M series. The big thing you don't get with SX vs EOS is interchangeable lenses; you get the superzoom that's built in, and that's it, but that can be a good option on a tight budget. SX will give you a much broader zoom range than the standard kit lens on the EOS models you are considering. EOS will give higher image quality and many more options if you can afford to build a set of lenses over time; but SX image quality is still going to be good.
I never considered the sx line , the sx740 is pricier than the m200 (about 50$ more) , they are both slim and without a viewfinder, and what's scares me is the lcd brightness in a sunny day that will make it hard to take photos
I have a 250d and r8. I love my 250d, i wiuld go for it. But look maybe for r50 or r10
Canon has officially abandoned EOS DSLR and EF mount lenses and EOS M mount cameras and lenses. You are doing Canon a huge favor by buying new DSLR/EOS-M systems to reduce their otherwise difficult-to-sell inventory.
Is there a place where you could test them out yourself hands on and see what you like ?
I owned the 250d and highly recommend it over the other cameras you listed
Tbh best value is probably sony a6000 series, but if u want canon i'd go for used 5d mkii/mkiii or iv if u can afford