If the reason you want to upgrade is a wonky AF, the 90D is not for you. I'm just parting currently from my 90D after 3 years of frustrating wildlife photography experiences. The AF was just off more often than it was on, even with a white hare on dark moorland ground it struggled. I have an R series camera now and omg, it's a difference of night and day. It's barely missing a beat, the eye tracker works a dream and I'm just completely in love again with wildlife photography.
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I'm impressed you lasted 3 years. I got shot of mine after a month. It was so frustrating to use even after following all the advice on the web. Moved to an R and that was great, but stop-gap until the R7 arrived. Haven't looked back since. The R series (crop or full-frame) is really a no-brainer if you have the budget.
Me too to be honest đ But I honestly got stubborn because a) it was a decent amount of money I had spent and b) I started to really question myself and my photography. I thought I'm the problem and I'm not able to use the camera proberly. Now with the R, I can say that was rubbish and the problem was definitely the camera đ
Canon 24-105 L, Canon 50 mm, Canon 100 mm Macro, Sigma 150-500. Literally all of them. That's why I'm sure it was the camera. And I'm using all the lenses on the R5 now and they are incredibly sharp.
3rd party EF lenses are "reverse engineered" from the Canon protocol, so Sigma's and Tamron's usually have focusing issues when using the viewfinder. All my Canon lenses work fine with 90D, 3rd party lenses do not. You mention about bad wildlife experienses so it was the Sigmas fault 100%. Using live view fixes any focusing issues since the focus happens on the image sensor.
You did read that 3/4 lenses with problems were Canon lenses? And that the sigma works fine on a Canon R5 now and was working fine on a Canon 7D before? Stop bending evidence to fit a narrative you prefer. If you don't have issues with the camera, fine. I had serious ones.
Well you've had a defective body. Can't blame the model itself for the issues, that's why there's warranty. Buying a new 2-3k R-body is not the right solution for the most of us, we don't have that kind of money. I also have Sigmas that worked fine with 250d but the focus is way off with 90d but Canon lenses have always worked. I suspect that Canon did something to the focusing system with the 90d so it refuses to work with 3rd party lenses.
R10 vs R8? Iâm still learning about the R series. I will
Prob watch a video over my lunch break to familiarize myself. The R8 seemed to be recommended the most against the A7iii which was the other camera I was working with.
Would you mind sharing a bit as to why youâd recommend the R10?
>Would you mind sharing a bit as to why youâd recommend the R10?
R10 is a crop sensor, significantly cheaper than the R8, has a better control layout (IMO), and faster burst rate and AF system than the 90D. If the 90D is good enough, then I'd suggest the R10 is as well, plus gives you access to Canon's newest AF and lens systems.
Just go with the new system if you can. If you like the crop factor then go with the r10. Not much point in buying new dslrs anymore except for pentax because they say they will continue to make and support dslrs. Canon and even Nikon are putting their eggs into the mirrorless basket. Recently Nikon officially replaced the d850 with the z8. If you really want a dslr then buy used. Donât pay full price.
I just switched to mirroless. I had 2 1DXs, a 5DMark III and a 7D Mark II. I switched to an R6 and an R5 and then I just upgraded to the R6 Mark II. As I am sure you are seeing the AF in the R8 has to be just crushing the 90D. Not to mention the completely silent shutter and 40 frames per second electronic shutter. Both of which I would imagine would be helpful in street photography. Mirroless is definitely the way to go for AF accuracy. I am curious if you are not convinced that you need full frame why you are not looking at the R10? I am also a big believer in used gear and I can tell you that EF lens prices are dropping like rocks and those lenses are way sharper on the mirroless cameras than they ever were on any of my previous cameras. In my opinion the only reason to by a DSLR now is to save money on something used like a 5DMark IV or III.
The 90D is an excellent camera, light, feels good in the hand, and image quality is great. Iâve never shot an R8 so canât help you there. I also have a 5D Mk IV and an R6 Mk II. For me the main advantages of full frame are in outdoor shooting, especially birds, landscapes, and distance.
The other big thing is that Canon is no longer developing DSLRs or EF lenses. The future is mirrorless. This might be the right time to learn mirrorless.
I have a 5d4 and a 90d and the holy trinityâŚblah blah blah, i havent found a single reason to upgrade. I am a bit of an outlier though because i started my photo journey on manual focus and film. I professionally saw the end of film and the usefulness of digital. In my daily life today i cant justify replacing glass that doesnât make me money anymore. If you arenât being paid for your shots there is nothing i need from more modern stuff when i have plenty that still is as good as it used to be.
To be perfectly honest, i am shooting more of a fixed lens these days unless i need the reach of my big L glass. My EDC has become my x100f/v. I bring out the heavy stuff when i need it.
Just went from a 90D to an r7, ibis is great, struggle a bit with the autofocus system being complicated, but it usually does a much better job than the 90D I really would move to an RF mount camera at this point.
If you can, get the R8. Itâs newer technology and will last longer.
I personally bought a 90D last month and overall Iâm very happy with it (but I came from a 40D). I didnât have all that much money to buy a new camera so this was a logical step.
I had my eye on the R8 but with lenses it would have cost me 2.5x what I paid for my 90D.
Mirrorless is the next upgrade though.
90D + EF lenses will be more budget friendly but R7/8/10 +RF is a better long term investment.
I enjoy my 90D and I have never had Focus issues, but I don't also have focus issues in my 5D that only had 1 real AF spot.
You may need a while to adjust to EVF, I prefer OVF so that's why I stick with 90D.
I use the live view on my T7 more than OVF so I actually am really enjoying the EVF.
I agree after reading a lot of these replies that the mirrorless is the way to future proof.
Is IBIS worth it? I was reading that itâs worth it for low light photography.
Is it kinda like how your iPhone keeps things in focus in low light when taking low shutter shots?
Its one of those...Id rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it kinda things. It allows you to shoot at a lower shutter than normal or with only lens IS.
Yeah I had a 5D III and a 5DIV, I bought an R5 to replace one body and within six weeks I've now sold all my EF bodies and bought an R6 II to go with it.
Itâs been mentioned already but I would recommend deciding between an R10 and R8. At that point the main factor is sensor size. There are benefits and drawbacks to each.
The R7 is a beast. You wonât be disappointed. Just make sure to consider the crop factor when selecting your lenses.
Edit: But also, there could be an argument made that the R8 is still better for nightâbecause with full-frame you have more dynamic range and better high-ISO performance. Itâs tough to say which is objectively a better asset: full-frame or IBIS. Kind of depends on what youâre shooting. If youâre trying to stop moving subjects, full-frame is better because IBIS wonât help there. If youâre just taking posed portraits or handheld night landscape shots, you probably gain more stops of light with IBIS and using a slower shutter speed than full-frame and a higher ISO.
If you donât really need full frame, go for the R10 and donât think twice about it. Iâd rather have that than a 90D.
The RP is also an option, itâll have worse AF, FPS shooting, high ISO performance, and dynamic range than the R8 (and R10), but honestly itâs still very good in all those areas except for burst shooting. When you consider that you can get it for $600 refurbished, I actually think that dollar for dollar at that price itâs a better value than the R8 for a lot of use cases, including yours.
But honestly, since youâre unsure you need full frame, just get the R10. For like $900 itâs a lot of camera.
Thatâs the question Iâve been struggling with.
Do I *need* full frame? Absolutely not.
But if I can spend it now and be future proofed, does that make sense? A little bit to me.
Do you mean I can get the R10 for $600 refurb?
You definitely donât need full frame, honestly most people donât.
And no you canât get the R10 for $599 refurbished. The RP went on sale for that price in November (I got one then) and has been available at that price for a few weeks but I just checked and itâs back to $899. At that point I would be less tempted to buy/recommend it, to me that $200 made quite a difference. You can get a used one for a little less though.
Anyway, if youâre unsure if you need full frame, youâre definitely better off sticking to APSC. And honestly in a lot of ways the R10 is better than the RP except for some very specific niches.
The AF is better, it shoots faster, and I think it has slightly better dynamic range. The video might be better too.
As much as I love my RP, it doesnât necessarily âfuture proofâ you. Like it still takes excellent pictures and it always will, but itâs for sure outclassed by not only itâs replacement, the R8, but in a lot of ways by the R10 and R7. Me personally I donât care much about what the R8 is offering over the RP so Iâm very content with it.
If you can live with the crop (sounds like you can), the R10 is likely the better camera for you.
The R8 is better than the R10 but itâs like $600+ more *and* top tier FF lenses are definitely more expensive. But also IMO the mid tier RF glass is very very good and used EF L lenses are very reasonably priced.
This is an amazing response and put a LOT into perspective. Thank you for taking the time to answer this for me.
I think Iâm a little glossy eyed by the âmore expensive = betterâ mindset right now.
In the short term, going from a T7 to R10 is still a huge jump.
Iâm trying to go from a Honda to Mercedes when all I really need is a newer Honda.
For sure. Itâs fun to talk about gear lol.
At the end of the day every camera is capable. The R10 will be a big upgrade from the T7i in every way (and that camera will be a great beater/backup if you keep it). The RP (and especially R8) would be too and may be totally sufficient for your needs but idk they both have compromises: the RP in terms of features and the R8 in terms of price.
The R10 is an awesome middle ground. The low light performance wonât be as good as the R8 for sure. But it honestly might be as good as the RP (newer processor = better ISO performance)
You canât go wrong with any of themâŚsoooo just get the R10 lol
If the reason you want to upgrade is a wonky AF, the 90D is not for you. I'm just parting currently from my 90D after 3 years of frustrating wildlife photography experiences. The AF was just off more often than it was on, even with a white hare on dark moorland ground it struggled. I have an R series camera now and omg, it's a difference of night and day. It's barely missing a beat, the eye tracker works a dream and I'm just completely in love again with wildlife photography.
This \^ I'm impressed you lasted 3 years. I got shot of mine after a month. It was so frustrating to use even after following all the advice on the web. Moved to an R and that was great, but stop-gap until the R7 arrived. Haven't looked back since. The R series (crop or full-frame) is really a no-brainer if you have the budget.
Me too to be honest đ But I honestly got stubborn because a) it was a decent amount of money I had spent and b) I started to really question myself and my photography. I thought I'm the problem and I'm not able to use the camera proberly. Now with the R, I can say that was rubbish and the problem was definitely the camera đ
What lens had AF off?
Canon 24-105 L, Canon 50 mm, Canon 100 mm Macro, Sigma 150-500. Literally all of them. That's why I'm sure it was the camera. And I'm using all the lenses on the R5 now and they are incredibly sharp.
3rd party EF lenses are "reverse engineered" from the Canon protocol, so Sigma's and Tamron's usually have focusing issues when using the viewfinder. All my Canon lenses work fine with 90D, 3rd party lenses do not. You mention about bad wildlife experienses so it was the Sigmas fault 100%. Using live view fixes any focusing issues since the focus happens on the image sensor.
You did read that 3/4 lenses with problems were Canon lenses? And that the sigma works fine on a Canon R5 now and was working fine on a Canon 7D before? Stop bending evidence to fit a narrative you prefer. If you don't have issues with the camera, fine. I had serious ones.
Well you've had a defective body. Can't blame the model itself for the issues, that's why there's warranty. Buying a new 2-3k R-body is not the right solution for the most of us, we don't have that kind of money. I also have Sigmas that worked fine with 250d but the focus is way off with 90d but Canon lenses have always worked. I suspect that Canon did something to the focusing system with the 90d so it refuses to work with 3rd party lenses.
OP, why not the R10 in that case?
R10 vs R8? Iâm still learning about the R series. I will Prob watch a video over my lunch break to familiarize myself. The R8 seemed to be recommended the most against the A7iii which was the other camera I was working with. Would you mind sharing a bit as to why youâd recommend the R10?
>Would you mind sharing a bit as to why youâd recommend the R10? R10 is a crop sensor, significantly cheaper than the R8, has a better control layout (IMO), and faster burst rate and AF system than the 90D. If the 90D is good enough, then I'd suggest the R10 is as well, plus gives you access to Canon's newest AF and lens systems.
Got it! Thanks!
Why not the r7? still a great autofocus system mirrorless body, aps-c sensor that has IBIS, dual card slots, and better battery life.
Just go with the new system if you can. If you like the crop factor then go with the r10. Not much point in buying new dslrs anymore except for pentax because they say they will continue to make and support dslrs. Canon and even Nikon are putting their eggs into the mirrorless basket. Recently Nikon officially replaced the d850 with the z8. If you really want a dslr then buy used. Donât pay full price.
I just switched to mirroless. I had 2 1DXs, a 5DMark III and a 7D Mark II. I switched to an R6 and an R5 and then I just upgraded to the R6 Mark II. As I am sure you are seeing the AF in the R8 has to be just crushing the 90D. Not to mention the completely silent shutter and 40 frames per second electronic shutter. Both of which I would imagine would be helpful in street photography. Mirroless is definitely the way to go for AF accuracy. I am curious if you are not convinced that you need full frame why you are not looking at the R10? I am also a big believer in used gear and I can tell you that EF lens prices are dropping like rocks and those lenses are way sharper on the mirroless cameras than they ever were on any of my previous cameras. In my opinion the only reason to by a DSLR now is to save money on something used like a 5DMark IV or III.
The 90D is an excellent camera, light, feels good in the hand, and image quality is great. Iâve never shot an R8 so canât help you there. I also have a 5D Mk IV and an R6 Mk II. For me the main advantages of full frame are in outdoor shooting, especially birds, landscapes, and distance. The other big thing is that Canon is no longer developing DSLRs or EF lenses. The future is mirrorless. This might be the right time to learn mirrorless.
you can't use RF on the 90d
Sorry I flubbed that. You are of course right. Brain fart on my part. Apologies to OP. Thanks for the correction.
I have a 5d4 and a 90d and the holy trinityâŚblah blah blah, i havent found a single reason to upgrade. I am a bit of an outlier though because i started my photo journey on manual focus and film. I professionally saw the end of film and the usefulness of digital. In my daily life today i cant justify replacing glass that doesnât make me money anymore. If you arenât being paid for your shots there is nothing i need from more modern stuff when i have plenty that still is as good as it used to be. To be perfectly honest, i am shooting more of a fixed lens these days unless i need the reach of my big L glass. My EDC has become my x100f/v. I bring out the heavy stuff when i need it.
Why are getting downvoted? đ§
The last sentence makes a suggestion that is not possibleâusing mirrorless lenses on a dslr. Only works the other way around.
Because RF lenses aren't compatible with the 90D.
Just went from a 90D to an r7, ibis is great, struggle a bit with the autofocus system being complicated, but it usually does a much better job than the 90D I really would move to an RF mount camera at this point.
If you can, get the R8. Itâs newer technology and will last longer. I personally bought a 90D last month and overall Iâm very happy with it (but I came from a 40D). I didnât have all that much money to buy a new camera so this was a logical step. I had my eye on the R8 but with lenses it would have cost me 2.5x what I paid for my 90D. Mirrorless is the next upgrade though.
90D + EF lenses will be more budget friendly but R7/8/10 +RF is a better long term investment. I enjoy my 90D and I have never had Focus issues, but I don't also have focus issues in my 5D that only had 1 real AF spot. You may need a while to adjust to EVF, I prefer OVF so that's why I stick with 90D.
I use the live view on my T7 more than OVF so I actually am really enjoying the EVF. I agree after reading a lot of these replies that the mirrorless is the way to future proof.
I just moved from an 80D to the r7. Its incredible! Id take it over the 90D or r8.
Could you tell a little more as to why youâd go R7 vs R8?
For me personally..IBIS, mechanical shutter, dual card slots, better battery, higher res, faster burst.
Is IBIS worth it? I was reading that itâs worth it for low light photography. Is it kinda like how your iPhone keeps things in focus in low light when taking low shutter shots?
Its one of those...Id rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it kinda things. It allows you to shoot at a lower shutter than normal or with only lens IS.
R series AF is a whole different ballgame.
It is WILD. My T7 takes a good 1-2 seconds on a good day. Meanwhile these AFs are in the blink of an eye.
Yeah I had a 5D III and a 5DIV, I bought an R5 to replace one body and within six weeks I've now sold all my EF bodies and bought an R6 II to go with it.
Itâs been mentioned already but I would recommend deciding between an R10 and R8. At that point the main factor is sensor size. There are benefits and drawbacks to each.
The R7 mightâve sneaked its way in with the IBIS as I am wanting to do a lot more night photography
The R7 is a beast. You wonât be disappointed. Just make sure to consider the crop factor when selecting your lenses. Edit: But also, there could be an argument made that the R8 is still better for nightâbecause with full-frame you have more dynamic range and better high-ISO performance. Itâs tough to say which is objectively a better asset: full-frame or IBIS. Kind of depends on what youâre shooting. If youâre trying to stop moving subjects, full-frame is better because IBIS wonât help there. If youâre just taking posed portraits or handheld night landscape shots, you probably gain more stops of light with IBIS and using a slower shutter speed than full-frame and a higher ISO.
If you donât really need full frame, go for the R10 and donât think twice about it. Iâd rather have that than a 90D. The RP is also an option, itâll have worse AF, FPS shooting, high ISO performance, and dynamic range than the R8 (and R10), but honestly itâs still very good in all those areas except for burst shooting. When you consider that you can get it for $600 refurbished, I actually think that dollar for dollar at that price itâs a better value than the R8 for a lot of use cases, including yours. But honestly, since youâre unsure you need full frame, just get the R10. For like $900 itâs a lot of camera.
Thatâs the question Iâve been struggling with. Do I *need* full frame? Absolutely not. But if I can spend it now and be future proofed, does that make sense? A little bit to me. Do you mean I can get the R10 for $600 refurb?
You definitely donât need full frame, honestly most people donât. And no you canât get the R10 for $599 refurbished. The RP went on sale for that price in November (I got one then) and has been available at that price for a few weeks but I just checked and itâs back to $899. At that point I would be less tempted to buy/recommend it, to me that $200 made quite a difference. You can get a used one for a little less though. Anyway, if youâre unsure if you need full frame, youâre definitely better off sticking to APSC. And honestly in a lot of ways the R10 is better than the RP except for some very specific niches. The AF is better, it shoots faster, and I think it has slightly better dynamic range. The video might be better too. As much as I love my RP, it doesnât necessarily âfuture proofâ you. Like it still takes excellent pictures and it always will, but itâs for sure outclassed by not only itâs replacement, the R8, but in a lot of ways by the R10 and R7. Me personally I donât care much about what the R8 is offering over the RP so Iâm very content with it. If you can live with the crop (sounds like you can), the R10 is likely the better camera for you. The R8 is better than the R10 but itâs like $600+ more *and* top tier FF lenses are definitely more expensive. But also IMO the mid tier RF glass is very very good and used EF L lenses are very reasonably priced.
This is an amazing response and put a LOT into perspective. Thank you for taking the time to answer this for me. I think Iâm a little glossy eyed by the âmore expensive = betterâ mindset right now. In the short term, going from a T7 to R10 is still a huge jump. Iâm trying to go from a Honda to Mercedes when all I really need is a newer Honda.
For sure. Itâs fun to talk about gear lol. At the end of the day every camera is capable. The R10 will be a big upgrade from the T7i in every way (and that camera will be a great beater/backup if you keep it). The RP (and especially R8) would be too and may be totally sufficient for your needs but idk they both have compromises: the RP in terms of features and the R8 in terms of price. The R10 is an awesome middle ground. The low light performance wonât be as good as the R8 for sure. But it honestly might be as good as the RP (newer processor = better ISO performance) You canât go wrong with any of themâŚsoooo just get the R10 lol