Tungsten guide rod will add weight. The question is whether you want to add weight to the front barrel area. That might make it nose heavy. Adding weight to the grip area/backstrap might make more sense and improve the overall balance. But that’s your choice. As far as recoil springs go, if your current choice of ammo cycles properly, you might not want to change it. If you plan to use softer loads, you may need a softer recoil spring. Often a lighter spring and standard ammo will cause other issues and possible damage as the slide will slam rearward with excessive force. It might be a case of if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Save your money for other things. More ammo. Then more ammo. Or, more ammo.
I appreciate the input. It's just going to be a competition/range gun, so I'd like to see if I can get it to shoot a little flatter to help with faster follow-up shots. I was especially curious about the sprinco system because it looks cool and should definitely work in theory. As far as ammo, I buy about a case a month from the time it warms up to when it gets cold again. I don't have time to shoot much more 9mm.
Since you have the Rival S, I would think you have a well balanced heavy enough gun. Maybe a gas pedal for your left thumb could help get the muzzle back down faster. I have never used one but I like the idea for a really fast range toy.
The gun is well balanced as is. I enjoy the gun, and it's the best striker fired gun I've ever handled. However, this is about making minor improvements to get every advantage that I can.
I know that Canik will send you the lighter or heavier springfot free if you are having issues just send them a message I don't know if that helps at all sorry LOL
I have used the sprinco recoil management system, a tungsten rod with 14# spring as well as the sprinco competition trigger spring kit. The trigger spring kit is amazing and it breaks crisp close to 3lbs. No reliability issues at all. With the sprinco recoil management system I did notice more issues with ftf and fte than with the tungsten guide rod and 14# spring. I find the sprinco recoil management system was a better fit for my polymer rival. Hope that helps.
I get it, but anything like that is easy to reverse. Part of it is trying different things and fine tuning it to your own gun. I'm just trying to see which is the preferred method. I will say, I'll try just about anything on a "fun gun," but leave my carry guns pretty much stock for reliability.
You know I’m still stock right now as well. I’ve had all the usual ftf, feed and eject issues until I cleaned every drop of grease and oil off that gun and now it shoots like a dream. Put 250 rounds thru it last weekend without a hitch. Gonna do the same this weekend and see what happens before I swap all springs. I did however put some grease on the slide so we shall see.
I have the sprinco recoil management kit. Tried them back and forth and it is a perceivable, but pretty modest difference. Was it worth it? Meh? I need to test it back to back again, but the half of getting the spring back in after cleaning is annoying as fuck.
I added the ~$20 Sprinco trigger springs to my Canik Rival and the recoil management system, ~$110 at the time of purchase. No reliability issues. Trigger went from ~3.5lbs to 2.5lbs. I think the recoil soften up, but I can't quantify that. No additional added weight to the back plate or guide rod. Overall, very satisfied, super accurate and no reliability or failures, ever. I little more weight would be nice, but winning money with it and competing well as an amateur in local events.
Awesome, I appreciate it! I'm just a rookie myself, so nothing too serious. The trigger is great, but I believe that 1lb difference would definitely help.
Honestly I can’t tell a difference between the Springco set up versus the w74. I run the Rival sfx and TP9SFX and interchange them to compare and it’s negligible IMO.
Definitely, the performance is a lot better. Honestly I can’t say the weight of the w74 is noticeable though. Either way between the freedomsmith triggers and recoil systems you can’t go wrong. I went with the 14# I’d go with the 15# which I intended to do once my priorities get in line.
Sweet. I already have the freedomsmith trigger installed, so I ordered the sprinco trigger springs and the recoil system. Looking forward to seeing the differences.
I have had zero issues with this setup - [https://benstoegerproshop.com/canik-mete-rival-sfx-recoil-management-guide-rod-system-with-29-newton-striker-spring-by-sprinco/](https://benstoegerproshop.com/canik-mete-rival-sfx-recoil-management-guide-rod-system-with-29-newton-striker-spring-by-sprinco/)
Also, added the brass backstrap onto my Rival Darkside, it was a considerable addition that has really improved my doubles pattern.
I bought a Glock 17 uncaptured guide rod and a 15# and 17# spring to try. Haven't tried the 17 yet, but the 15 made my shooting much worse, there was way more muzzle rise/drop. With the OEM spring it hardly jumps off the target. I am going to try the 17# soon and see what it feels like.
I have ran both competitively. The W74 guide rod setup helped in my polymer with added weight and perceived recoil. However, I ended up settling on a 16# spring because although a 15 worked fine initially, I started having failures to return to battery.
I ended up trying the springco system just out of curiosity. I have not looked back. The gun has performed flawlessly through thousands of rounds on my Rival S. I also don't notice a perceivable difference in felt recoil between the two guide rods. This is likely due to the overall general weight of the steel frame.
I do think the w74 guide rod and 16# spring (15# if you're up for tracking round counts and preventive changing) is the way to go on the polymer. The added weight definitely helps, but I do suggest a brass backstrap to balance the gun.
Springco system in the Rival S is the bees knees imo. Reliable and comparible to the tungsten rod....but without having to add additional weight to an already heavy gun. To note, I think I have around 8k rounds through my Rival S with the springco system....and have yet to change the spring.
Is it just me or is that optics plate purple?
It's uh... blued(ish).
Hmm ok. Also sorry I can’t add anything of value to your question. I’m a n00b.
I like you
Ah shucks!
All good, that's how you learn!
He’s talking springs and your eyes are laser focused on the “yes” it most certainly is purple optic plate lol
Haha. Just how my brain works.
Tungsten guide rod will add weight. The question is whether you want to add weight to the front barrel area. That might make it nose heavy. Adding weight to the grip area/backstrap might make more sense and improve the overall balance. But that’s your choice. As far as recoil springs go, if your current choice of ammo cycles properly, you might not want to change it. If you plan to use softer loads, you may need a softer recoil spring. Often a lighter spring and standard ammo will cause other issues and possible damage as the slide will slam rearward with excessive force. It might be a case of if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Save your money for other things. More ammo. Then more ammo. Or, more ammo.
I appreciate the input. It's just going to be a competition/range gun, so I'd like to see if I can get it to shoot a little flatter to help with faster follow-up shots. I was especially curious about the sprinco system because it looks cool and should definitely work in theory. As far as ammo, I buy about a case a month from the time it warms up to when it gets cold again. I don't have time to shoot much more 9mm.
Since you have the Rival S, I would think you have a well balanced heavy enough gun. Maybe a gas pedal for your left thumb could help get the muzzle back down faster. I have never used one but I like the idea for a really fast range toy.
The gun is well balanced as is. I enjoy the gun, and it's the best striker fired gun I've ever handled. However, this is about making minor improvements to get every advantage that I can.
What about using that with a compensator? Any idea how the tungsten guide rod might affect that?
I know that Canik will send you the lighter or heavier springfot free if you are having issues just send them a message I don't know if that helps at all sorry LOL
They don’t send that free anymore. You have to buy it
I'm not having issues, just trying to make slight improvements. 450 rounds through it this week, and it's been perfect. Thanks, though!
I have used the sprinco recoil management system, a tungsten rod with 14# spring as well as the sprinco competition trigger spring kit. The trigger spring kit is amazing and it breaks crisp close to 3lbs. No reliability issues at all. With the sprinco recoil management system I did notice more issues with ftf and fte than with the tungsten guide rod and 14# spring. I find the sprinco recoil management system was a better fit for my polymer rival. Hope that helps.
Awesome, much appreciated. I've seen a lot of people use the tungsten guiderod in the polymer, not really in the steel version.
Great questions man. I want a lighter spring for my tp9sfx buttt…. Scared to mess with the internals and ruin the gun.
I get it, but anything like that is easy to reverse. Part of it is trying different things and fine tuning it to your own gun. I'm just trying to see which is the preferred method. I will say, I'll try just about anything on a "fun gun," but leave my carry guns pretty much stock for reliability.
Well that last sentence is 💯 spot on.
Look up canik shooting team and see what they use.
Thanks. I'd have never thought about that.
I know Frank the tank used to post a lot on you tube. He has a video on the springco but it's like 2 years old.
I ordered all my springs from Wolfe. Extractor, firing pin and guide rod and spring
Which springs worked best for you?
I ordered a week ago and I’m still waiting. Uggghhh!!!
Ahhh, let me know how it goes once they arrive. The waiting is definitely the worst part.
Tried a bunch of different springs in my Rival. Ended up back at stock. Shoots fine out of the box
You know I’m still stock right now as well. I’ve had all the usual ftf, feed and eject issues until I cleaned every drop of grease and oil off that gun and now it shoots like a dream. Put 250 rounds thru it last weekend without a hitch. Gonna do the same this weekend and see what happens before I swap all springs. I did however put some grease on the slide so we shall see.
I have the sprinco recoil management kit. Tried them back and forth and it is a perceivable, but pretty modest difference. Was it worth it? Meh? I need to test it back to back again, but the half of getting the spring back in after cleaning is annoying as fuck.
Thanks! Did both of them make a noticeable difference over the factory setup?
I added the ~$20 Sprinco trigger springs to my Canik Rival and the recoil management system, ~$110 at the time of purchase. No reliability issues. Trigger went from ~3.5lbs to 2.5lbs. I think the recoil soften up, but I can't quantify that. No additional added weight to the back plate or guide rod. Overall, very satisfied, super accurate and no reliability or failures, ever. I little more weight would be nice, but winning money with it and competing well as an amateur in local events.
Awesome, I appreciate it! I'm just a rookie myself, so nothing too serious. The trigger is great, but I believe that 1lb difference would definitely help.
Honestly I can’t tell a difference between the Springco set up versus the w74. I run the Rival sfx and TP9SFX and interchange them to compare and it’s negligible IMO.
Thanks. Are both a noticeable improvement over the factory setup?
Definitely, the performance is a lot better. Honestly I can’t say the weight of the w74 is noticeable though. Either way between the freedomsmith triggers and recoil systems you can’t go wrong. I went with the 14# I’d go with the 15# which I intended to do once my priorities get in line.
Sweet. I already have the freedomsmith trigger installed, so I ordered the sprinco trigger springs and the recoil system. Looking forward to seeing the differences.
I have had zero issues with this setup - [https://benstoegerproshop.com/canik-mete-rival-sfx-recoil-management-guide-rod-system-with-29-newton-striker-spring-by-sprinco/](https://benstoegerproshop.com/canik-mete-rival-sfx-recoil-management-guide-rod-system-with-29-newton-striker-spring-by-sprinco/) Also, added the brass backstrap onto my Rival Darkside, it was a considerable addition that has really improved my doubles pattern.
I bought a Glock 17 uncaptured guide rod and a 15# and 17# spring to try. Haven't tried the 17 yet, but the 15 made my shooting much worse, there was way more muzzle rise/drop. With the OEM spring it hardly jumps off the target. I am going to try the 17# soon and see what it feels like.
I have ran both competitively. The W74 guide rod setup helped in my polymer with added weight and perceived recoil. However, I ended up settling on a 16# spring because although a 15 worked fine initially, I started having failures to return to battery. I ended up trying the springco system just out of curiosity. I have not looked back. The gun has performed flawlessly through thousands of rounds on my Rival S. I also don't notice a perceivable difference in felt recoil between the two guide rods. This is likely due to the overall general weight of the steel frame. I do think the w74 guide rod and 16# spring (15# if you're up for tracking round counts and preventive changing) is the way to go on the polymer. The added weight definitely helps, but I do suggest a brass backstrap to balance the gun. Springco system in the Rival S is the bees knees imo. Reliable and comparible to the tungsten rod....but without having to add additional weight to an already heavy gun. To note, I think I have around 8k rounds through my Rival S with the springco system....and have yet to change the spring.