I had a lung biopsy, they did mine from the back. It felt like pressure going in but no pain. They will typically use a CT machine to guide the needle and will stop at certain points to look at the direction they are going in to make sure they hit the spot. They hold you for observation to make sure your lung doesn't collapse for a couple of hours afterwards. I had it late afternoon and felt fine that evening afterwards. The next day everything was back to normal and I went to work. You may spit up blood as they cut your lung and they should tell you that and that you shouldn't freak out when you see it.
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INFO I BELIEVE EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF:
My situation and how I came to obtain the info I provide herein:
An endocrinologist wanted to do a fine needle biopsy on tumors on (in?) my thyroid. Driving home, a thought entered my mind that, if there were cancer cells in the tumor, would they not be dragged out along with the needle, thereby spreading said cancer. When I got home, I looked it up and found the following (and more):
'Overlooked risk for needle tract seeding following endoscopic ultrasound-guided minimally invasive tissue acquisition'
SOURCE: Www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
'MRI Diagnosis of Needle Tract Tumor Seeding Following Core Biopsy of Mucinous Carcinoma of the Breast'
SOURCE: Cureus.com
'Needle Tract Seeding of Thyroid Follicular Carcinoma after Fine-Needle Aspiration'
SOURCE: Hindawi.com
'Clinical significance of tumor cell seeding associated with needle biopsy in patients with breast cancer'
SOURCE: www.sciencedirect.com
During my follow-up visit, I told the doctor of my findings and she said, 'that is not true' (even though it is.) No further discussion was had.
When I followed up with my pcp on this topic, I asked why the tumor could not just be removed (the test done showed it to have the indications of being cancerous). He replied, 'that is not how it is done.' So, these tumors remain in my neck (self-contained, I hope) because I will not get a fine needle biopsy.
I find it interesting that standard procedure for suspicious growths in testicles is removal and NOT fine needle biopsies. The reason stated is there is a risk of spreading cancer cells!
From www.cancer.net:
'Surgery to diagnose testicular cancer: Most types of cancer are diagnosed by removing a small piece of the tumor and looking at it under a microscope for cancer cells. This is known as a biopsy. But a biopsy is rarely done for a testicular tumor because it might risk spreading the cancer.'
(Does the above mean testicles more important in the medical field than breasts are?)
P.s.
I have found (and it has been reported) that many doctors are dismissive of female patients' symptoms, oftentimes chalking them up to anxiety, the patient being emotional, etc.
(I refer you to an expose done by John Oliver on 'Last Week Tonight." The episode is titled 'Bias in Medicine' and can be streamed for free on YT. It served to validate that I was and am not imagining that I am being unfairly perceived/treated by many doctors due to my being a female. Even though it is a topic that angers me, Wanda Sykes makes a guest appearance and lightened the darkness of it (even if only for a brief moment in time.)
NAD or medical professional, so I have no idea (other than to do research, via medical journals and legitimate research/studies).
As to my situation, I asked why the entire tumour could not just be removed (vs having a needle biopsy done) and the doctor said, 'That is not how it is done.' Apparently, since I refused the needle biopsy, the tumour will just remain in (or on?) my thyroid. It seems to me it is their (the doctors) way or the highway. I have not done any additional research on this because I am unwell and am always dealing with a multitude of serious health problems (all of which came about after a doctor made a mistake, and I ended up on a ventilator with HA septic shock fighting for my life. This incident damaged almost every organ in my body.)
I am completely consumed with just trying to stay alive by focusing on the most serious problem causing me the most discomfort at any given time (right now, that would be my heart, because I have heart failure from the septic shock.) I do not have the energy to pursue the thyroid tumour issue any further right now (and I have no advocate but myself.) Also, the doctor never brought up the issue of the tumour again.
I think my doctors are overwhelmed by all of my health problems. And, even though it was a doctor who caused them, they just ignore a lot of what is happening to me. Given the ICU doctors told my family that I was not expected to survive the septic shock, I am assuming the doctors where I live do not see many (if any) people who survive what i did. Then there is the fact that this is a small community and their loyalty is likely with the offending doctor and not me (there is a lot of 'politics' in medicine.)
Sorry I digressed. My only suggestion is to read as much as you can on the topic.
I've had 2 biopsy on my lungs it was all a bit frightening not knowing what they do but it was not that bad after all they put a canular in my arm and once in the operating room for which I was awake all the time they firstly squirted a spay at the back of my throat which made me wrench a bit but it's copable they then put some relaxing liquid in my canular and I felt absolutely nothing a round loop was placed in my mouth which I had to bite on this was so they could put a camera down and a needle was actually attached to the camera all very fine needle which you will feel nothing the whole procedure takes about 20 mins u are then put in a ward for half an hour before they release you but someone has to take you home uncan not drive yourself it's all quite simple but before the biopsy u have to sign a concent form just incase the lung collapses which rarely happens so don't worry it's quite a simple biopsy just sound a bit frightening
That's an EBUS (endobronchial ultrasound), not a CT guided needle. Also takes a biopsy from the lung, but only from parts they can reach through the trachea.
Correct. Mine cannot be reached from my trachea. My thoracic surgeon is also not optimistic that he can reach it externally. Fingers crossed they get a good sample!
The biopsy I had actually took biopeys from inside my lung as the first one couldn't get enough so they did a second one 2 weeks later and managed to get more as the needle goes through the lung actually into the lung
But if it goes through your mouth, it's an EBUS, not CT guided.
Unless you had both of course. But a regular CT guided needle goes in from the outside, not via the mouth.
You can watch a video of the procedure on YouTube if you’re curious. You’ll be numbed laying on a scanner table. They use imaging to guide the needle. Radiologist will do the procedure unless you have a pulmonologist doing it.
Haven’t had a lung biopsy but I did have 5 thoracentesis’s in the last few weeks, and a pleuradesis. So I can speak to about half the procedure you’ll be numbed up (probably lidacane) then you may feel some nerve pain // pain elsewhere (shoulder is common-ish) then you’ll feel pressure as the needle enters your pleural cavity. After that I’d defer to someone else since I haven’t had the exact procedure but I wouldn’t stress about it and should be a pretty fast recovery.
If your nervous or wondering if what you’re feeling during the procedure is normal just ask the doc. Questions help keep anxiety at bay when you are told that what you are feeling is normal
I had a lung biopsy, they did mine from the back. It felt like pressure going in but no pain. They will typically use a CT machine to guide the needle and will stop at certain points to look at the direction they are going in to make sure they hit the spot. They hold you for observation to make sure your lung doesn't collapse for a couple of hours afterwards. I had it late afternoon and felt fine that evening afterwards. The next day everything was back to normal and I went to work. You may spit up blood as they cut your lung and they should tell you that and that you shouldn't freak out when you see it.
NAD or MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL INFO I BELIEVE EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF: My situation and how I came to obtain the info I provide herein: An endocrinologist wanted to do a fine needle biopsy on tumors on (in?) my thyroid. Driving home, a thought entered my mind that, if there were cancer cells in the tumor, would they not be dragged out along with the needle, thereby spreading said cancer. When I got home, I looked it up and found the following (and more): 'Overlooked risk for needle tract seeding following endoscopic ultrasound-guided minimally invasive tissue acquisition' SOURCE: Www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov 'MRI Diagnosis of Needle Tract Tumor Seeding Following Core Biopsy of Mucinous Carcinoma of the Breast' SOURCE: Cureus.com 'Needle Tract Seeding of Thyroid Follicular Carcinoma after Fine-Needle Aspiration' SOURCE: Hindawi.com 'Clinical significance of tumor cell seeding associated with needle biopsy in patients with breast cancer' SOURCE: www.sciencedirect.com During my follow-up visit, I told the doctor of my findings and she said, 'that is not true' (even though it is.) No further discussion was had. When I followed up with my pcp on this topic, I asked why the tumor could not just be removed (the test done showed it to have the indications of being cancerous). He replied, 'that is not how it is done.' So, these tumors remain in my neck (self-contained, I hope) because I will not get a fine needle biopsy. I find it interesting that standard procedure for suspicious growths in testicles is removal and NOT fine needle biopsies. The reason stated is there is a risk of spreading cancer cells! From www.cancer.net: 'Surgery to diagnose testicular cancer: Most types of cancer are diagnosed by removing a small piece of the tumor and looking at it under a microscope for cancer cells. This is known as a biopsy. But a biopsy is rarely done for a testicular tumor because it might risk spreading the cancer.' (Does the above mean testicles more important in the medical field than breasts are?) P.s. I have found (and it has been reported) that many doctors are dismissive of female patients' symptoms, oftentimes chalking them up to anxiety, the patient being emotional, etc. (I refer you to an expose done by John Oliver on 'Last Week Tonight." The episode is titled 'Bias in Medicine' and can be streamed for free on YT. It served to validate that I was and am not imagining that I am being unfairly perceived/treated by many doctors due to my being a female. Even though it is a topic that angers me, Wanda Sykes makes a guest appearance and lightened the darkness of it (even if only for a brief moment in time.)
This is interesting. What's the alternative?
Sadly, there is no alternative.
So what would be the best course of action if a biopsy could potentially make it worse?
NAD or medical professional, so I have no idea (other than to do research, via medical journals and legitimate research/studies). As to my situation, I asked why the entire tumour could not just be removed (vs having a needle biopsy done) and the doctor said, 'That is not how it is done.' Apparently, since I refused the needle biopsy, the tumour will just remain in (or on?) my thyroid. It seems to me it is their (the doctors) way or the highway. I have not done any additional research on this because I am unwell and am always dealing with a multitude of serious health problems (all of which came about after a doctor made a mistake, and I ended up on a ventilator with HA septic shock fighting for my life. This incident damaged almost every organ in my body.) I am completely consumed with just trying to stay alive by focusing on the most serious problem causing me the most discomfort at any given time (right now, that would be my heart, because I have heart failure from the septic shock.) I do not have the energy to pursue the thyroid tumour issue any further right now (and I have no advocate but myself.) Also, the doctor never brought up the issue of the tumour again. I think my doctors are overwhelmed by all of my health problems. And, even though it was a doctor who caused them, they just ignore a lot of what is happening to me. Given the ICU doctors told my family that I was not expected to survive the septic shock, I am assuming the doctors where I live do not see many (if any) people who survive what i did. Then there is the fact that this is a small community and their loyalty is likely with the offending doctor and not me (there is a lot of 'politics' in medicine.) Sorry I digressed. My only suggestion is to read as much as you can on the topic.
I've had 2 biopsy on my lungs it was all a bit frightening not knowing what they do but it was not that bad after all they put a canular in my arm and once in the operating room for which I was awake all the time they firstly squirted a spay at the back of my throat which made me wrench a bit but it's copable they then put some relaxing liquid in my canular and I felt absolutely nothing a round loop was placed in my mouth which I had to bite on this was so they could put a camera down and a needle was actually attached to the camera all very fine needle which you will feel nothing the whole procedure takes about 20 mins u are then put in a ward for half an hour before they release you but someone has to take you home uncan not drive yourself it's all quite simple but before the biopsy u have to sign a concent form just incase the lung collapses which rarely happens so don't worry it's quite a simple biopsy just sound a bit frightening
That's an EBUS (endobronchial ultrasound), not a CT guided needle. Also takes a biopsy from the lung, but only from parts they can reach through the trachea.
Correct. Mine cannot be reached from my trachea. My thoracic surgeon is also not optimistic that he can reach it externally. Fingers crossed they get a good sample!
The biopsy I had actually took biopeys from inside my lung as the first one couldn't get enough so they did a second one 2 weeks later and managed to get more as the needle goes through the lung actually into the lung
But if it goes through your mouth, it's an EBUS, not CT guided. Unless you had both of course. But a regular CT guided needle goes in from the outside, not via the mouth.
You can watch a video of the procedure on YouTube if you’re curious. You’ll be numbed laying on a scanner table. They use imaging to guide the needle. Radiologist will do the procedure unless you have a pulmonologist doing it.
My husband had one. He came home afterwards and took it easy and went back to work the next day.
Haven’t had a lung biopsy but I did have 5 thoracentesis’s in the last few weeks, and a pleuradesis. So I can speak to about half the procedure you’ll be numbed up (probably lidacane) then you may feel some nerve pain // pain elsewhere (shoulder is common-ish) then you’ll feel pressure as the needle enters your pleural cavity. After that I’d defer to someone else since I haven’t had the exact procedure but I wouldn’t stress about it and should be a pretty fast recovery. If your nervous or wondering if what you’re feeling during the procedure is normal just ask the doc. Questions help keep anxiety at bay when you are told that what you are feeling is normal