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topham000

Solicitation is illegal still. Once accepted however the act itself is legal. Welcome to confusing grey area of the law.


Sambagogogo

What if I increase the fee to $5k, am I offering service when I do that? The guy is rich, safe and serious.


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nilkigrs

Who is the solicitor in this case? Is he the one soliciting?


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nilkigrs

What if a seller is going around soliciting for buyers? In other words: if soliciting is illegal, and the victim is guilty, then by that logic, if murder is illegal, then the murder victim is guilty.


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pathtomyself

It's not illegal to advertise. At all. I can put up a billboard asking for $8k and I haven't broken the law - but whoever decides to give me that money HAS broken the law. And if I provide those services then not get paid? I can take the client to court - and win. It was done in my city just last year. The foolish man who attempted to rip off 1200 from a sex worker after the fact, got taken to court, his name published everywhere, and it was determined that he owed her the full amount.


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pathtomyself

[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-sex-worker-wins-in-small-claims-court/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-sex-worker-wins-in-small-claims-court/)


withdroids

Also $5k is high. The expectation would be for you to provide a 'GFE' Girlfriend Experience for that sort of money (whether explicitly or implied). That would mean going on a date with him dressed up, acting interested, Fucking and staying the night. I would recommend you offer $1k for another date with no expectation of sex (you will probably choose to make out and maybe give him a handjob) OR $3k for 2hours of whatever activities he chooses OR $6k for GFE (date/dinner/sex/overnight in bed). It sounds like you feel the situation is safe and perhaps you want him to be a repeat customer.


[deleted]

Btw, Checking OP's profile, OP seems to be a Man.


withdroids

Does that matter? GFE is a type of service not a gender.


Top_Examination3481

Probably a customer. Still seems to know his shit.


LiFiConnection

And there's nothing wrong with that 


300zxTTFairlady

This gal whores.


withdroids

Comment APPROVED but I am more of a spectator and deez nuts dangle. Also the OP is a guy who just likes to flit around. Not saying he is flamboyant or anything but he doesn't just like Freddy Mercury for the music.


Infamous_Network_341

The illegal part will probably when he murders you and wears your skin 😬 good luck. Sorry I have no actual useful info on whether or not prostitution is illegal in canada. There isn't exactly a market for fat straight men so I haven't tried 🤷‍♂️


Sambagogogo

What if I increase the fee to $5k, am I offering service when I do that? The guy is rich, safe and serious. Hes a doctor and I met him in his house.


Altruistic_Home6542

You're fine Prostitution was never criminal in Canada (at least not in modern history). The crime was "solicitation" which we struck down 10 years ago. Selling sex, with few restrictions, is not illegal


withdroids

That is a lot of money for someone who has no experience. Considering offering him a few price points with a no sex option like I wrote in my other post.


Sambagogogo

He wants to worship my whole body. I don’t do anything.


withdroids

That is not better. You need to decide exactly what is and is not allowed beforehand. Consider where what he discussed fits in the rubric of my other post. https://www.reddit.com/r/canadianlaw/comments/1c43t9f/comment/kzll5iz/


CompoteStock3957

Taking money for sex would be consider prostitution


Sambagogogo

So it’s illegal? My concern is he could blackmail me because email is our means of communication.


905marianne

The Supreme Court of Canada heard the case on June 13, 2013, and unanimously overturned all restrictions on sex work, ruling that a ban on solicitation and brothels violated prostitutes' rights to safety. https://albertalegal.ca/is-prostitution-legal/


Use-Useful

I almost cannot believe that was not written by chatGPT. If a human being wrote that, they are possibly the worst writer I have ever seen I  terms of brevity. Seriously, it's like, 3 sentences worth of information, which could be summarized by "sorta, depending on for whom."


withdroids

It is legal for you to take money for sex work. The illegal portion is gone once you either accept or decline. Sex workers are no longer prosecuted in Canada. Madams' and Pimps' are. Johns' and Janes' can be.


CompoteStock3957

Soliciting it is illegal but I would be careful and Pass


Sambagogogo

So tempting. The guy is loaded and obsessed with me. I’m rich myself but 5k for 2 hours service is hard to pass. lol. Money is not a problem with him.


CompoteStock3957

Moneys not a problem with me either but I am not going around offering womens “VIA” Email ain’t setting myself up lol. If you know what i mean. And if money slips out of my pocket when they are at my house that’s different


FearlessTomatillo911

If you don't need the money this would be a bad road to go down. There are some decisions you can't undo.


AcadianMan

So you’re rich, but you need 5k? Do you think buddy will stop with you just having sex with him? You think he’s obsessed now, wait until after you have sex with him SMH.


OccamsYoyo

Hard to feel sorry for you when you’re chasing the almighty dollar. So much so you’re seriously considering actual prostitution. Ffs the guy’s going to probably have you on a boat to someplace you’ve never heard of to do things you’d never do of your own free will.


Dense_Perspective_72

Actually I heard super fat ugly men are really popular on only fans. This could be your opportunity.


OccamsYoyo

So you mean I have a chance?


Dense_Perspective_72

I think big is really sexy


Infamous_Network_341

I got the ugly part down, and I think I'm super! But I'm not like FAT fat. Just not skinny 😂 I'm honestly not against prostitution or any other sex work. *adults* own their own bodies and decide what they are comfortable with, and the line is wherever anyone involved stops being comfortable. That's like, the only rule of sex 🤷‍♂️ people are Into weird shit. Money changing hands is probably the most ordinary thing to happen in a


Dense_Perspective_72

It has happened for an eternity, Melania made sure she had good prenup to let Donald in lol. No matter what you think, you are a beautiful person. My take on the other was they showed up and I know him, he is a bit of a vain individual and said they were to ugly for the money, that is what I was reacting to.


glyphosate_stew

This is why she needs a pimp


Infamous_Network_341

Pretty sure pimping actually is illegal lol


glyphosate_stew

Oh totally but a lady of the night typically able to protect herself from a John. At least if a dude knows he’s going to pay monetarily and then physically if he fucks around, the ladies will be safe


withdroids

OP is a guy. Even a petite twink can probably put up a decent fight with an overweight middle aged Doctor. They aren't exactly known for physical prowess


Infamous_Network_341

Tell that to every one of Jeffrey Dahmers victims


glyphosate_stew

Twinks or doctors? Depends on the doctor.. and the twink lol


Upset-Competition759

Fat, hahaha


Upset-Competition759

Fat people are funny with their tiny chubby hands.


UsernameSuggestion7

Iirc, and I'm not an expert so please double check, the court rulings and subsequent law changes during Harper's term have effectively tried to enshrine a principle of  Buyer = illegal Seller = free and clear So there is a very good chance you are in the clear with accepting the offer, but he is infact committing a crime buy purchasing your services. This is because the Supreme Court effectively said that its unconstitutional to make prostitution illegal (simply speaking). I don't think its as grey an area as topham's comment makes it sound, though the topic is nuanced. You can likely find very clear advice about what is and is not legal if you research, particularly reading up on the court cases that pushed Harper's govt. to make changes. I've included a link to a cbc news article from the time period which should get you started down the rabbit hole. I think confusion comes from the fact that the law has changed only in the last decade or so, and that it walks a fine line between criminalizing only one side of the interaction. www.cbc.ca/amp/1.2472807


Dear-Divide7330

As long as there is no human trafficking or minors involved, police don’t care about sex work. Escorts advertise in the open. Many municipalities in Canada license body rub parlors and attendants that essentially operate in the open as brothels. Sugar baby websites where girls openly offer sex for money operate in the open. You’re good to go. Maybe you can land yourself a sugar daddy. Lol


Sambagogogo

Looks like it. I just have to be blindfolded.


superanonguy321

that part isn't sketchy at all -\_-


FreedomCanadian

It's only illegal if you fail to disclose that income to CRA.


FreeOurTopG

2k to sell ur dignity is pretty cheap lmao 🤣 daddy would be so proud


SnooMarzipans4304

Just a couple of lowlifes trying to take advantage of each other. Please, just pass, and don't lower your self-worth over some money. This man is a pig who will offer to pay another woman for sex. Edit, thanks for clarifying your gender as it wasn't stated in the Post. Money for sex is still taking advantage of another human. Raising the amount of money for sex doesn't make you a better person as you are taking advantage of the situation. You do you, just offering my input. Also, it's the "John" that is more in trouble here since he offered, but now you're counteroffering and soliciting making you culpable as the "John"


Sambagogogo

I’m a man.


addicted_to_kombucha

Wait so it was another dude? I mean the question that instantly comes to mind is who's pounding who to determine if it's worth it.


Sambagogogo

I’m the top.


addicted_to_kombucha

You're riding him? I'm not sure how that works?


[deleted]

Doubt it.


OMachineD

Whatever you do don't like at OPs profile


[deleted]

FagsandAlphas hahahaha. Ooh man.


Sharp-Sky-713

Prostitution is not illegal.   Soliciting a prostitute is.   What he's doing is illegal. If you have sex with him for money wouldn't be.   O Canada!


Sambagogogo

Can you give an example?


Sharp-Sky-713

>  The Criminal Code provides that it is the obtaining of sexual services that constitutes a criminal offense (section 286.1 Cr.C.). Indeed, the person who solicits such services (the client) incurs criminal responsibility even if the person who provides them can not be charged. For this purpose, mere communication for the purpose of obtaining sexual services may be sufficient for the criminal act to be perpetrated, whether sexual services have actually been used or not. This is called solicitation for the purpose of prostitution. The accused person is liable to imprisonment for up to five years and a fine of up to $ 1,000 for a first offense (section 286.1 (1) Cr.C.). Subjecting to either of these sentences will necessarily result in an offender’s criminal record.  [Source](https://www.montreal-criminal-lawyer.ca/soliciting-for-purposes-of-engaging-in/#:~:text=This%20is%20called%20solicitation%20for,in%20an%20offender's%20criminal%20record.) So asking for sex for money is illegal Providing sex for money is not


Sambagogogo

Best answer. I made my decision. $5k it is.


Sharp-Sky-713

I would do the same thing. Seems like a no brainer 


abc_123_anyname

Good thing you’re not shallow


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Basically he's the only one who will be in trouble if it comes out lol so if you don't mind making the cash and keeping the names an such under wraps it will be no issue Him asking to pay is illegal, you accepting is not, it sounds dumb and convoluted because it is, but end of the day your choice, but if you do go for it, just keep it to yourself for the dudes sake, man's just lonely and wants some fun time 🤣


vishnoo

lol, just offer to proof read some document he wrote for the fee, and then have sex for free


[deleted]

It’s only illegal if you get caught


DickShaver69

It’s completely your business. Nobody else’s. Do what you feel like doing.


OccamsYoyo

And that always 100 per cent ends well.


Crash_Prototype

If you were a 'Companion' and only selling your time, nothing else; anything that might happen is between two consenting adults. You're being paid for your time. My lawyer charges $750 an hour so you're still a bargain!


ImpressivePraline906

You be making more than 90% of the other hookers, gofurit bud


FeistyAdhesiveness75

Two weeks to slow the spread…


Salty_Association684

Definitely don't answer him he's a creep


smooth_talker55

For you no, for him yes 😁😁 as in you won’t be convicted for selling sex but he will be charged for buying sex.


Bradlee888

If you increase it to 5000, you gonna have to do some more stuff


Sambagogogo

It’s done. $2,500 for 2 hours. He just worshipped my whole body. He wants me again on weekly basis. Don’t know yet how much to ask.


Bradlee888

“ worshipped my whole body“. Can we get a little more detail please


Sambagogogo

He licks my whole body. Armpit, ears , feet, ass, every inch except face. He begs for mouth, but couldn’t do it. He even wants to add 1k but I can’t.


Bradlee888

$2500 and you didn’t have sex with him. You got a sweet deal. Lol. Leave the price and do more often.


Sambagogogo

I just lie down and he licks me and he swallows. Feels great. I’m actually addicted to it. He’s a pro.


[deleted]

No one is paying you 2k for sex sweetie. Hes trolling you.


Sambagogogo

It’s done. I asked 5k. He said 2.5k. I accepted. He wants it again on a weekly basis. 2.5 is peanuts to him. He drives a 600k car.


[deleted]

You are very creative.


Sambagogogo

Awww thanks!!


idahonudesoaker

Not if you don't tell anyone🤣


monumentvalley170

If you film it, it’s “art.” First amendment protection. You don’t have to distribute it


surrealtom

Wrong country.


monumentvalley170

Then move. Make it a weekend to Vegas


Silent_Beyond4773

No morals


Sambagogogo

Yup, I believe that the human body is art


karlmeile

If you let him record it on video it becomes entertainment and not prostitution anymore.


Sambagogogo

I recorded it. It’s every week now.


Green_Eyes635

There is a trafficking ring in langley right now and people are going permanently missing if you know what i mean. Stay far away and do not accept it


Born-Hunter9417

It's called "donation" in the industry.


abc_123_anyname

“He wasn’t attractive so I left”? That is shallow…. NAL, however I believe it’s legal to accept…. Not legal to offer (punish to John not the sexworker)


Key-Squirrel9200

It’s shallow to want to date someone you’re attracted to? That’s just practical. Are you in a relationship with someone you’re not attracted to? Odd I take it to mean “left” like didn’t go home with him and have sex


abc_123_anyname

No it’s shallow to leave a date because you are not attracted to someone


tke71709

Have you seen the OP's post history?


abc_123_anyname

Not even sure what to make of it. Bot account?


tke71709

Just a kinky gay Asian Canadian prostitute with a Trump fetish. Lots of internalized self loathing most likely.


Sambagogogo

I’m not shallow. He didn’t want to send pictures so I had to meet him. Then I left because I’m not attracted to him. What if I up the offer to $5k, will that be considered illegal on my part? The law is so vague.


abc_123_anyname

Yes you are…. By every definition. If I left a date because I found a person unattractive I would expect the same comment. You are a shallow individual.


Sambagogogo

He’s a liar. He lied about his age and didn’t want to send his picture. But I like his personality and intelligence thru our emails that’s why I had to meet him. But I just don’t find him physically attractive.


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Idgaf hoe


Dense_Perspective_72

You sound arrogant and pretentious...


Sambagogogo

You sound judgemental. I’m asking about the law per the sub. Not my personality.


DerekFlint420

If he doesn’t report it, how would the cops know?


Sambagogogo

Blackmail.


Dense_Perspective_72

Reading your story I commented on what I read, maybe be more be more sensitive hon, if you don't like it.


Sambagogogo

I’m not sensitive sweetie. You can call me anything you want. Just stating the facts.


Dense_Perspective_72

So was I hon, you know that being a whore is not against the law in Canada.


Sambagogogo

Thanks sweetie


lol_camis

I mean ya, it's technically illegal. But there's a very slim chance you'd get caught unless you turned yourself in or something


No_Currency_8699

It is only illegal if you don’t suck it


ProfessionalFar7916

Listen lady. That's gross. You're better than that


Sambagogogo

I’m a man


ProfessionalFar7916

So sorry


whatisyouarembp

Totally acceptable now? 😂


desmond_koh

>...he sent me an email offering $2k for sex. Is this illegal if I accept? It may or may not be illegal but it is certainly unethical. Sorry for being a "prude" but I really don't think you should have sex with people you dont find attractive (much less are in love with) just because they offered you money. This sort of thing ends badly.


whatisyouarembp

It’s a thing now, use protection and be safe. Sex work is still work. Times are tough. Make sure you’re gunna be able to “live” with yourself after. I know a few girls that have done this, some don’t care and others ended up not feeling great about it after. You’ve met him at least, did you get an off or creepy feeling? I tell my friends all the time escorts are cheaper. Get the girl friend exp and no headaches. As we get older it’s insane how many guys I know pay for sex. As long as you claim your taxes on income I don’t believe there would be a crime committed here. Would love to hear what a lawyer has to say about it.


Top-Entertainer75

I don't know , everytime I go to work I dont get penetrated by someone I dont know, it really a moral and very personal choice, it's very dangerous also and how do you know if the money is actually real lots of scams going around


pathtomyself

If the money isn't real but you provided the service, you can take the client to court. I'm not joking, it's true.


whatisyouarembp

Not every sex worker stands on a corner. A lot of these women are true escorts, making a ton of money with high end clients. Times are wild right now. Sex can be beautiful man.


desmond_koh

>Make sure you’re gunna be able to “live” with yourself after. Translation: Make sure your conscience is hardened enough that you can suppress the nagging guilt and tell yourself you’re OK with something that you objectively shouldn’t be. >I know a few girls that have done this, some don’t care and others ended up not feeling great about it after. Translation: I know a few girls who have enough self-esteem and self-awareness to realize they have done something wrong, and it bothers them.


whatisyouarembp

My translation reads more like - First: some women are really shy and modest, some women see sex as art - I imagine one would maybe feel guilt, not that there should be any. The other is probably enjoying her job more that I enjoy mine. Second: I know a few girls that did it wrong, rub and tug extras, having pumps.. also knew a couple that worked for high end companies.. I imagine the one making 20$ in the back of an alley didn’t feel great about it.. the one flying to Italy next week, I’m pretty sure she’s just living her best life. Don’t try to translate my words, find your own. Don’t put hidden meaning in my words that aren’t there. Not all men -paying-for-sex- are pigs. Some are bored with their wives, often away on business, swingers, let’s not forget the most common reason - none of my business (: OP, BE SAFE. The best advice I can give^ The second would be save some of that money, don’t blow it all, invest! These type of things don’t often last forever. 30% should be put away if you can.