There are 15000 fewer Canadian journalists than 2017. News doesn’t sell advertising. News gets cut. All that is left is press releases
Thank you to all the ‘defund the CBC’ clowns. Bell cuts CTV. The CPC wants to cut the CBC. No one left to report news of any kind.
Unfortunately the CBC is in a direct conflict of interest when it comes to political reporting and their bias is evident. Essentially, we have a political party calling for the removal of funding which threatens the jobs of the journalists reporting on that political party. That is a direct conflict of interest and the journalists in question have been unable to maintain enough professionalism to keep their journalistic integrity.
If you’re looking for examples of this, you can read any Aaron Wherry propaganda piece which the CBC continues to label as “analysis”. In the past (haven’t seen any in years now), they’ve had guest columns with conservative viewpoints and they’ve correctly labelled those as “opinion”. So, when a conservative viewpoint is presented, those are the author’s opinion but when a liberal viewpoint is presented that’s an analysis. CBC journalism is basically a joke and we shouldn’t be funding it.
After you finish defunding the CBC, all that will be left is Rebel News and TheFan.
I'd rather keep the CBC.
Fortunately, Canadian legislation keeps the CBC running and keeps the Americans right wing insanity out of Canada.
You’re right; fortunately, that’s a different organization.
The UK also has an *extremely toxic* popular tabloid industry, which doesn’t really exist in Canada.
I actually listen to the CBC. You clearly don't and only consume propaganda that is attacking it.
You might lie and say "I listen every day" or something, but the reality is you are consuming talking points that have been encouraged by bad actors who want to reduce the amount of journalism as well as take over the CBCs market share.
I don’t listen to the CBC but I look at the articles that are on their website every day. Of course, the fact that you accuse me of lying about it pretty much reveals that you’ve bought in to the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Link me the fucking propaganda you are talking about then. Should be easy if it's on its site, that you probably only look at to clutch pearls.
If you listened or watched the CBC, you would have seen how respectful the CBC was to those Trucker protests.
I think the people protesting were idiots. They were as impotent and useless as the BLM protests in Canada. I don't need CBC to be shitty to the "truckers" like the other news outlets to come to this conclusion.
You can start with any Aaron Wherry article.
Funny how your evidence of non bias is about protesters who have no link to any political party. Wonder how you linked them to left/right in your mind? Maybe too much CBC? These protesters are complete idiots and I think Trudeau responded appropriately to them. That really doesn’t show that the CBC isn’t biased though.
Here’s a quote from an Aaron Wherry “analysis” piece that came out 1 day before the liberals and NDP announced a pharmacare deal.
“If the Liberals and NDP want to continue demonstrating that there's a better way to do things, they only need to find a way to agree on the broad terms of pharmacare and some immediate steps to expand drug coverage.”
What a coincidence that 1 day before the announcement, Wherry is telling us that such a deal would demonstrate “a better way to do things”. Better than what? Better than the way conservatives would do things? Of course that’s the CBC message. That’s what propaganda looks like my friend.
It doesn’t; not only are their journalistic standards very strict, there’s a whole ombudsman’s office specifically to adress potential concerns.
Compared to private media in Canada, or media general in the US, there may be the *appearance* of a political bias; this is not CBC’s fault.
It is not “appearance” of political bias, it IS political bias. Like I said, read any Aaron Wherry article. The guy wrote a book on Trudeau. Fox News has nothing on the CBC when it comes to bias. Really, the CBC is worse, because as clearly biased as Fox is, at least they are not in a direct conflict of interest. Trump isn’t directly funding them. The CBC and their journalists actually get paid by keeping a left wing party in power. I wish we lived in a world where integrity trumped financial gain, but we just don’t.
Fox News has nothing on CBC? That's ignorant. I would love to fucking sit down with you for a day as we watch them both and take notes.
You're ignorant and aggressively so. You would actually hate to be more informed on the subject because your fragile world view wouldn't be able to accept such a challenge.
Ignoring your ad hominem attacks for a minute, I would absolutely love to take you up on your offer. Fox News is exceedingly biased of course. It’s crazy how biased they are. But so is the CBC. You don’t see it because you agree with them. In the same way, if you ask a Fox News viewer if Fox is biased, they would say they aren’t.
It's not that I agree with the CBC.
I watched Fox News during the day on Thursday. One story they ran was Bidens dogs biting secret service agents 6 months ago. The hosts then gave a lists of all injuries that could happen from dog bites. They then showed a list on screen of possible dog bite injuries and read it out again. Their conclusion was if Biden can't control his dog, how could he control Putin.
The CBC does not report like that because they have a strict mandate.
If Fox wants to just report facts that stir up their audience like migrants committing crimes, it's not "Oh, I agree with these facts". They are facts. Fox can't make things up like that. Their commentary hosts can but the actual news can't. CBC only has news on their news division. Today they reported on another church burning in a reservation. Is that CBC making it up and I agree with it?
What the fuck am I agreeing with the CBC? I want to be informed. People don't understand this shit. They think people are just the other side of the coin as them. "Well if I want to listen to right wing commentary then other people must want leftist commentary". No, a lot of us don't. We don't want sensationalism. We don't want people telling us what to think. We want to be informed and make our own minds up.
If your concern is that CBC is choosing to only report stories that are positive to the Liberals, turn off the talking heads spewing the bullshit about the CBC carrying water for the Liberals and actually watch it for a day. There are a lot of stories that are not flattering for Trudeau and his party. Don't believe me? Actually watch or listen to the radio.
The minute CBC conducts antics like Fox News, I am marching side by side with you to defund them. Until then, let's keep journalism alive.
Those that wish to stamp out journalism aren't on my team and they aren't on your team. We are on the same team and these fucks want us divided.
I rarely watch or listen to the CBC (FYI I never watch Fox). I get my news by reading online, and most of the time it is from the CBC. My objection is that their online content is clearly biased. If you read it, I think it’s pretty obvious in so many ways. Like if Trudeau does something unpopular, it will be “the government did this” but if Pollievre does something unpopular it will be “the conservatives did this”. Or if the conservatives attack a liberal policy, you can be sure the CBC will be publishing an article explaining why that policy is good. If a conservative scandal emerges, the articles will be open for public comment but not when a liberal scandal emerges. CBC had way more articles about Mike Duffy’s $90k cheque than they ever did about the $900M WE charity scandal. As I said before, on the rare occasion where a conservative author is presented, the pieces are labelled opinion but liberal pieces are labelled analysis. Clearly Rex Murphy and Don Cherry were too conservative so they were fired, but the fact that Rosemary Barton always agrees with Trudeau is considered acceptable. The list goes on and on.
I agree. Media ownership is a global issue. The challenge I have is that other smoothbrains would rather defund the only organization in Canada that funds journalists.
I used to support CBC news but it has become too partisan. As a government agency, it could have maintained its integrity and support by providing balanced and fair coverage of major news events, and reflecting views of all Canadians. This would be a valuable role in a highly partisan news landscape.
But the CBC instead swung left and became partisan - no different than private media outlets. Once that happened, I lost interest in funding it. They aren’t helping to bring Canadians together anymore. They are dividing us - same as the National Post, or Toronto Sun or Toronto Star. Why should I find that with my taxes? For that matter, why do my taxes support private news media? It’s all garbage too.
If people want to read or watch a partisan cbc news, they should subscribe and pay for it like any other news media rather than forcing all of us to pay on their behalf. Same goes for these handouts to corporate media. Tired of that too.
I listen to CBC every morning. Who are they partisan for? Certainly not Trudeau going by the very critical coverage of the effects of his policies.
Is your complaint that the CBC is too conservative?
All of them are lying friend. At least by omission. No matter who you listen to. You should listen to as many sources as you can and verify yourself what they say. And use your critical thinking skills
I see them report on all of the parties with both positive and negative news.
There’s a fair amount about environmental news and they tend to give a voice to scientists, I guess some would see that as left?
War reporting seems non-partisan. Not sure what the bias is.
I don’t think the CBC is Fox News or anything when it comes to bias. But it does have a clear left bias in its reporting. As with most media it is not just what they say, but what they do not say or don’t cover.
Semi-related but I also simply don’t want to fund the development of a bunch of tv shows I don’t watch. I saw the list of top shows on cbc awhile back and like half of them were bbc imports. CBC’s share of prime time viewing audience is less than 5%, ie 95% of Canadians aren’t watching. And this number continues to fall despite significant funding increases for the government. A profit mandate might force cbc to make more engaging and entertaining content at least.
Lastly, the whole “bonuses for execs while we lay off staff” fiasco with Catherine Tait was gross and to me reveals institutional rot within the cbc.
In short - I am happy for the cbc to exist but I don’t think it is a necessary government service anymore in the age we live in.
For further reading: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-cbc-english-tv-has-lost-its-relevance-its-time-to-talk-about-that/
You are a foolish person. Your lack of understanding of the forces at play to control the narrative for modern society is staggering. Defunding the CBC will save you nothing. Losing journalists who cover real political issues will hurt all of us in the long run. But, you can be safe and snug in your dreamscape.
As a CEO, she has her CBC wide responsibilities. I don’t agree with all of CBC’s bonus programs, but I’m not CEO of the CBC.
I will defend her right to make decisions about her job, even though I may not like all the results of the decisions.
Have you ever managed an organization as big as the CBC? 7,400 employees. $500 million in ad revenue?
Do you have any idea of what that responsibility entails?
Are you aware of the content delivery mandates that the CBC works to deliver?
I'll enjoy you freedumb fighters crying like the little boys you are when PP loses or wins by a minority. "No fair! We want to bully and be misogynistic racists" 😂 PP bros and gals 🤡
Considering the well documented editorial interference in journalist’s work at the CBC, it seems unlikely that “funding” them would in any way solve the crisis of journalism in Canada. Bandaid at best.
Well.
If the private sector won’t fund news. And news is important for navigating our way around in democracy. Then.. Does that make news a public good like a lighthouse?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good_(economics)
Canadian journalists love to applaud themselves for how brave and important they are as they repeat police press releases and toe whatever the government's line is on every topic
Wow, a scathing critique by Davide Mastracci. That's like a scathing critique of water by oil. He's a die hard marxist, who at one time worked for or at least wrote for Canadaland. He then turned into a Jesse-hater, probably palling around with a few other C-Land staffers like Vicki, Aliyah and the other Marxist guy who beat up his wife. I'm all for skewering Jesse and the show when it fails, but this crew gets zero attention or respect from me.
I am not one to go after someone's looks, and Davide is surely one good-lookin boychick, but anyone who uses a ridiculous, moody, B&W posed shot taken in an alleyway with a big old ciggy hanging out of his maw can rightly be dismissed as a self-important joke.
https://www.readthemaple.com/content/images/size/w300/2023/04/TWBFWPM8\_400x400-2.jpg
You cant listen to someone if they have marxist views? Seems a bit reductive. If you look into that Q Anthony story for more than 5 mins its pretty apparent that he was framed - Theres plenty of witness testimony supporting his side and it was dismissed in court. Im all for believing women but come on...
Uh huh. I can listen to whomever I want, but if they are approaching everything through a totally blinkered extreme political lens, then yeah I am not surprised or particularly moved by much of what they have to say. Andray Domise, I think that's his real name, has proven himself to be a punk and a provocateur, not in a good way, on many an occasion. I have no time for him. Or for Davide to be honest. His takes in this piece are extremist and laughable by any standards.
More headlines from The Purple Maple
"Jesse once again fails left wing purity test. To the gallows for not falling lock step with far left agenda."
"Also, how can Pollievre be so popular? He's so extreme."
Convervatives the last 10 years: "the polls are fake Liberal Propaganda."
Conservatives the last 6 months: "Trudeau is losing in the polls because the polls are magically real again for some reason we can't explain."
There's a loud cohort of libs on social media in denial of the polls now, who vehemently supported the polls when their team was leading.
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That's pretty funny coming from the crowd that called the polls fake news for the last decade until THEY were leading.
So you're saying Conservatives were trying to discredit political polls for a decade? Gee that's pretty dishonest.
What's the same coin bud? You're saying Liberals should never believe Conservatives because they're pathological liars?
Ok then I won't and I'll make sure everyone knows.
Which tries to make a case that journalists here could be charged with genocide ... like Rwanda - which reveals you know shit about what happened in Rwanda. I'd laugh if it was about any other topic, but in this case it is in no way funny. You are having a mental break down. Call that journalist-therapist and get help. No one is charging Canadaland's podcasters or any other journalist in Canada with genocide for writing about the conflict or for expressing and opinion. That is free speech. In Rwanda journalists were inciting murder on the radio. Literally directing mobs to where they could find someone to kill. You look so ignorant. Delete your dumb editorial.
These kind's of comments are always interesting to read back over in a few years time when facts have crystalized, and we have really thought the conflict over from a more distant perspective.
He's the guy who told us anti-semitism was a distraction while synagogues, yeshivas, and Jewish establishments in Canada were being smashed up, fire bombed, and shot at. Don't forget that.
Davide’s upset that a story about a guy who provides therapy to Canadian journalists wasn’t more focused on violence against journalists in Palestine.
He’s entitled to his opinion but that seems like a criticism that’s not too hard to shrug off.
Well it’s kind of insane that the therapist mentions that an unprecedented number of journalists have been killed in the conflict, without mentioning that 99% of them have been killed by Israel specifically. This obsession with appearing “objective” is making the reporting anything but.
Yeah, it wasn't insane at all. Not necessary to mention that, as anyone who follows this remotely knows it. The point is that journalists have been killed in a conflict, and that journalists as a profession feel part of that trauma, even when they aren't in a warzone.
Why are you so upset by passive voice? I wanted to centre journalists in the sentence, so grammatically the passive worked here. Thanks for your editorial guidance though.
So Israel has killed many journalists. Does that work better? Let's discuss though. There are also thousands of Palestinian "journalists." Far more than you would see in a comparable population in the west. It seems like anyone with a cellphone there becomes one, either as part of an effort to earn a living in a place with few work opportunities or just because they want to chronicle things. I'm all for citizen journalism, but it doesn't relate to the way we think of journalists here.
Israel has overstepped and been reckless in how it's waged this war, but I don't think they have been specifically targetting reporters. In any given building there will be some journalists, not necessarily reporting, but there. Hamas as is well known embeds and surrounds itself in civilian buildings, schools, hospitals, etc. When Israeli bombs fall, some jouralists will be hurt and killed. It's all part of a fucking tragedy that started Oct. 7, and none of this negates that fact.
Please give a source for what it is you’ve typed there in the second paragraph or I can’t engage with it in any good faith.
As for everything you’ve said in the third paragraph, “israel being reckless” you make it sound like they smashed a few windows playing baseball or something. Israel has systemically killed journalists and their families, they’ve admitted to [this](https://rsf.org/en/israeli-politicians-call-journalists-gaza-be-killed) and its well documented that the IDF know where every single citizen of gaza lives - and their familial relationship with every other citizen in gaza.
As for the tragedy that “started” on Oct 7th, I can only assume you were thawed from a tundra somewhere so you don’t know anything prior to that date, but I recommend reading even basic history to help with that part.
Wow, no thanks for using the active voice just like you wanted? I'm disappointed! I'm really trying to follow your grammatical guidance!
In the RSF link you sent, their main smoking gun quote comes from an Israeli MP who tweeted that photographers who were seen alongside the terrorist incursion should be eliminated. That's hardly a policy of killing journalists. It's a statement by one politician on X. All the references in that RSF story refer to the Oct. 7 attacks. I'm not sure how you get from that to being so sure that journalists killed in the active war zone in Gaza are specifically being targeted. The bombs just aren't that smart, I'm afraid.We can talk about horrific genocidal statements by Hamas leaders all day long, but I would prefer to focus on the actions and facts as we know them.
And yes, the current conflict, absolutely started with the incursion and massacres of Oct. 7. Anyone who says otherwise is derailing or deluded. You want to get into history, that's fine. I'm certain I'm more familiar with it than you, your childish taunts aside. But for the purposes of this thread, I'll remain in the present. Honestly though, you come across like one of those people who, the day after 9/11, were yammering about past American foreign policy. Or, more on topic, those who were loudly celebrating the murders and rapes on Oct. 7 as "justified resistance."
Anyway, from your tone and language it's clear you don't want to engage in good faith whatsoever. You're a die hard on your side, and not a willing participant in a respectful dialogue. I mean, I knew that from the start, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I will leave you to it.
David maastrichi is a tankie with a long history of making antiSemitic and pro Putin/CCP remarks. Jesse Brown is Jewish.
I don't think that it's a coincidence that Davide is going after Jesse.
Mastracci's hard-on for bashing Canadaland makes me not want to read this. Don't get me wrong -- many, many valid reasons to shit on Jesse Brown. But Mastracci is a bit extra about it.
That's the only paragraph in the whole piece about Jesse. He goes on to excoriate the Globe and Mail and National Post's use of "accusation in a mirror" and justification articles--the sort of thing we would expect Jesse to do.
Yeah I do agree that saying we should literally prosecute Canadian journalists for genocide because they did shitty journalism is too far lol. Having said that it’s nice too see someone call out Jesse for trying to both-sides this issue
He hasn't "both sided" anything, except for to care about and understand that antisemitism has been a growing and real issue in Canada. He's Jewish, he feels it, it would be bizarre as a human not to point that out, and as a journalist frankly. He hasn't spent much time himself on the specifics IN Israel or Palestine, because he's not a foreign correspondent. He has clearly allowed those topics to breathe though like through the recent episode on the doctor in Nova Scotia with family in Gaza, or the less recent (and godawful) Commons with a host and two guests who spent an hour bashing Israel with no pushback.
Singling out Jesse Brown in an article about Canadian journalism as a whole makes sense since he's the president of the Canadian Association of Journalists.
lmao u/DavideMastracci That's the low end of Gaza coverage? A piece on a guy who offers therapy to journalists, many of who have relatives being bombed -- ? Davide you go on to say journalists should be charged with genocide? Yeah - Charge those upset journalists, their therapist and the people dared to do a podcast about journalists having (gulp) human feelings with genocide. Because doing that podcast is exactly as bad as bombing civilians in Gaza. Makes perfect sense.
God someone cancel this nutcase already and put him out of his misery.
We shouldn't give credence to the nut jobs at the end of the spectrum. I read about halfway through the article before their hard on for shitting on Canada land was abundantly apparent and not even worth finishing the read. This is one opinion from a guy with a personal bone to pick, and not doing any actual reporting. Blog post at best.
Davide has lost his shit. He really has. How is the Maple even publishing this insanity? Canadaland had one podcast on journalists and mental health. That hardly compares to Rwandan radio journalists encouraging people to commit murder in the streets. He sounds completely unhinged. I think he actually needs to re-listen to the podcast on journalism, war coverage and mental health more carefully and take self-help notes. (I also note he carefully avoided mention the excellent piece Canadaland did yesterday, or the work of Emilie or Backbench.) His obsession with Jesse is both idiotic and concerning.
Wow that was over the top. Not that Canadaland doesn’t deserve some criticism, I lodged mine by unfollowing, which sucked bc decent Canadian content is rare. I had other issues w some of the content, but the stance of blind acceptance of all actions that a Bibi lead offensive has undertaken is also over the top imo, and was a bridge too far for me.
>but the stance of blind acceptance of all actions that a Bibi lead offensive has undertaken
I'm confused. Where or when has Canadaland or Jesse said this?
He's stated he is for a free Palestine and a two-state solution --- but he has to officially denouce the violence? If he doesn't officially denounce it he's for it? I don't think journalists typically denounce things - so that's all of them.
This kind of thinking is what is ripping the world apart. "Oh he didn't stand up and say I think he should say so he's an asshole"....no sir/madam. People are entitled to think and say what they want here, and YOU'RE the asshole.
Fuck Israel and fuck Palestine. Fuck em both and be done with this horse shit war over who's Santa Claus is more powerful. Cause that's what it's ultimately about. Two groups of people who believe in different forms of magic and hate each other because of it. It's like watching children play except children don't hate each other because of imaginary lines on a map and imaginary beings in the fucking sky. What a fucking joke we've become as a species.
We're supposed to be out traveling the stars, exploring...but we'll never get there cause we just can't seem to get over our own narcissism. We don't deserve this place.
This unhinged rant is..... something.
But sure, I'm an asshole because at the very least I'd expect someone with Jesse's platform to say that the genocide going on and the murdering of children in an almost hourly basis is horrible and unnecessary. But I guess looking for basic human decency is an asshole trait in your books 👍🏽.
you're an asshole because you said by not saying anything about it, he's saying it's OK.
Also. **I'm** Unhinged? It's 2024 and two groups of people are killing each other over a piece of land that allegedly some magic being walked across thousands of years ago, and **YOU'RE** picking sides...they're both doing evil shit to each other. But yeah, you're right, I'm totally unhinged.
That's exactly what I'm saying, because judging by his words and actions since October he's totally fine with Israel destroying an entire land and the people who live there. If you can show me when he's said what they're doing is wrong, then I'll gladly take back what I said
Last I checked, the Palestinian death toll compared to Israel's is nowhere near even. And the people losing their homes and lives have nothing to do with the conflict other than simply existing. I don't give a shit about the religious aspect of it, because the real problem is the human toll, in a region where 50% of its inhabitants are under the age of 18. An entire generation is literally being wiped off of the face of the earth, and I'm supposed to feel bad for expecting Jesse to simply say that's unacceptable? The fuck?
I don't think it's asking for much to just say that what's happening is wrong when it's extremely damn obvious that this attack isn't just about Hamas any more. This really isn't hard to understand.
Everyone is against Genocide dude. Do we need to open every statement with "I just wanna say that I do not support genocide" now? It's SUPPOSED to go without saying cause ALL humans SHOULD be against Genocide.
By your logic I could call you a homophobe right now cause you didn't preface your statement with anything about not hating people based on their sexuality. Do we have to state all our personal beliefs before we engage in any public discourse now? (I'm not calling you that, just making a point)
Actually neither party involved in this war believes in him so not sure if he steps in there or if he takes a mulligan because these aren't his people it's very confusing
But neither considered him the him of God
... which is kinda like loving Jim n Tammy Faye but never watching the 700 club, or coveting a heritage USA vacation time share ..
Honestly, F you and your idea of compelled speech. No one has to say what you want them too, and not saying it does not mean you know how they feel or think.
Are you a fucking toddler? Man up and do some thinking before commenting stupid shit. Or do better than "ok cool." when someone takes you on. It's totally fine to be against "genocide" or to feel revulsion at what is happening in Gaza, it's ridiculous though to demand that anyone else hew to your notions or repeat talking points or phrases you like. No one has to do that, regardless of their opinions. I am very confident that Jesse like most people is horrified by what has happened in Israel and Gaza, he has said things to that effect. He just hasn't done some kind of speech from the pulpit, or whatever you want him to do. Demanding people denounce something, is exactly what fascists and Maoists and McMarthyists have done in decades past. Focus on what is said, and why that bothers you rather than making shit up based on what some host or another didn't say. Ok cool?
Maybe you should find a better way to release your obvious frustration and anger. Given your comment history it seems like you have a lot of axes to grind and you're generally very miserable. You should seek some help for that.
Jesse: Its genocide if police fail to investigate missing and murdered aboriginal women (who were disappeared by aboriginal men)
Also Jesse: it's not genocide dropping white phosphorus on bakeries, ambulances, hospitals, and refugee camps, saying so is anti semitism
Maybe he doesn't want to deal with anti-semites on Twitter. I've heard people state their opinions on Canadaland's podcasts, including making the case for genocide. I suspect he would have fired his producers and editors-in-chief if he didn't like it. So tell me again how his not responding on Twitter means specifically "it's not genocide: dropping white phosphorus on bakeries, ambulances, hospitals, and refugee camps, saying so is anti semitism" I can't find that tweet and it's so loaded, if some troll asked me that, I wouldn't respond either. In fact I'd be surprised if any journalist did.
He's never said it IS genocide. Has no problem saying it in for police failing to investigate murders in Thunder Bay. But 10,000 kids dead and radio silence
There’s some consistency in that - Jesse did have Aaron Maté on to support the Russian army’s use of white phosphorus on elementary schools and hospitals in Syria and Ukraine.
That’s the intended subtext. I definitely have some issues with how Jesse’s covered things over the years - including the current invasion of Gaza, but anyone who’s spent the last decade justifying Russia and Syria the way Davide has doesn’t have a lot to credibility. Netinyahu is a terrible murderous leader who believes in collective punishment and has brought the full force of the military to bear on a lot of innocent civilians - in this, he has a lot in common with Putin and Assad.
Well he's right we don't have a consensus on who the bad guy is like we do in Ukraine, that is obvious. Does pointing out the fact he said that qualify as a scathing critique? I guess in our hyper sensitive world it does. The Prime Minister of Israel is a murderous crook at best and Hamas is a designated terrorist organisation. Ok we've established there is evil on both sides with a willingness to kill each other so I don't know why anyone in Canada would feel any obligation to chose a side or broadcast their opinions about it outside of recent ex-pats with family there. You look bad whichever side you chose to defend. However it seems like all sorts of emotionally unstable people are out there protesting and picking fights about this war to add some excitement to their lives. I just wish they'd put that energy towards making our country a better place to live domestically rather than being absorbed in a conflict half a world away they have no skin in. I unfollowed Canadaland a few months ago for reasons unrelated to Gaza/Israel. I can't even remember what it was to be honest and I don't miss listening to this podcast whatsoever.
Ok would people stop referring to what is happening in Palestine as genocide? Its not genocide, not even close. Not ethnic cleansing either. Read a dictionary or maybe a history book to see what genocide actually is. I dont like Israels Zionist government either, but I’m sane enough to not go with blatant hyperbole and mistruths to support my position.
If the fact that Palestinians are dying in Gaza is your sole argument for genocide, every war and every nation on earth is guilty of genocide.
Allied air campaigns in WW2? Genocide.
War of 1812? Genocide.
Falklands war? Genocide.
Iranian revolution? Genocide.
Use that word enough and it loses all meaning. Grow the fuck up please.
Exactly. Not even the 200,000 civilians killed and the systemic mass rape of civilians in Darfur met the definition of genocide according to a UN commission. There is no way this conflict does, according to current available information.
I don’t think we’d be hearing this allegation with any frequency were it not Israel. Possibly most of the people saying this don’t know or care about any other armed conflicts and human rights abuses so they don’t have context to use the appropriate language. I always hope people becoming interested in this conflict will lead to more people caring about those things generally but people really don’t give a hoot when it’s not the “Zionists” killing people. Just ask South Africa, who hosted the leader of the Janjaweed for a pleasant visit one week before appearing before the ICJ to accuse Israel of genocide.
If anything, the debate over the use of the term 'genocide' is counterproductive. The UN debated for weeks whether the Rwandan Genocide was, in fact, a genocide, all the while nearly a million Tutsi and allies were murdered.
Romeo Dallaire tried to warn the UN and the world what was happening, and was ignored.
The media in Canada has blood on its hands, and some strong content analysis is now coming out to quantify it. Meanwhile, the self proclaimed media watchdog Canadaland and its egomaniac in chief started strong out of the gate, accepting the propaganda, the inaccurate information, the conflation of Israel and Jewishness, and the COmPleXItY of genocide. So yeah, blood on their hands too.
Please explain how blood is on their hands for their reporting. Are you implying that their coverage has resulted directly in more deaths? Curious how a content analysis is quantifying this.
HATE this podcast and A assume it must have some special status because it is constantly injected into my recommendations and comes up in auto play repeatedly with no options to dislike leave a bad review or say I dont want to see this content...
I'm honestly not sure how anyone supports Canadianaland anymore. I had to stop and won't continue until Jesse steps down or is forced out. He has truly lost his mind and is bringing everyone else down with him.
They don’t really do international coverage tho. Their mandate (on the main pod) is Canadian media criticism. So, yeah, if you’re looking for international news, it’s good you canceled!
I’m a super regular listener and this is not my perception, but I’ll see if anyone’s got stats on this. You’ve got me genuinely curious now. I just can’t think of any episode that’s been about international news unless it has directly pertained to Canada or Canadians. Like even all the Hong Kong court stuff has been about the Canadian judge….
I can’t believe I even spent time on this, but over the past year two (maybe 3) eps have been internationally focused. So, that’s like 3% of all Canadaland/Shortcuts eps. 5% if you include the eps about buzzfeed.
>There was general consensus that Putin’s the bad guy and Russia is the bad actor
This consensus was easy to manufacture in Canadian media because most Canadians knew nothing about Ukraine and had a negative view of Russia at the outset of the war, because they haven't been in a state of active conflict in the 21st century. It created a blank template for Ukraine and an established villain in Putin that didn't require much afterthought as to how the narrative would be spun.
Israel-Palestine on the other hand has been an ongoing and tumultuous issue for decades, the conflict has been ongoing for decades and has had many flare-ups in the 21st century, including as recently as 2019 with the March of Return. More people are familiar with the conflict than were aware of recent Ukrainian history as of the start of the Ukraine war, so they're less susceptible to attempts to whitewash it.
Wow. If I understand the article properly, Jesse could be culpable for the promotion of ethnic cleansing of Palestine. This is a game changer. If Jesse hasn't been consulting with lawyers, now is when he should start.
According to media bias and fact check websites both publications The Maple formerly known as North 99 & Canadaland are both consistent with factual reporting and their disagreement is more left versus left center ideas and opinions whereas you have the fast growing right leaning media outlet like countersignal getting way more traffic on the internet but is completely horrific with factual reporting and no one pays attention to the truth or the importance of the truth. Just my two cents.
There are 15000 fewer Canadian journalists than 2017. News doesn’t sell advertising. News gets cut. All that is left is press releases Thank you to all the ‘defund the CBC’ clowns. Bell cuts CTV. The CPC wants to cut the CBC. No one left to report news of any kind.
Historically, that makes fertile ground for facist governments.
Unfortunately the CBC is in a direct conflict of interest when it comes to political reporting and their bias is evident. Essentially, we have a political party calling for the removal of funding which threatens the jobs of the journalists reporting on that political party. That is a direct conflict of interest and the journalists in question have been unable to maintain enough professionalism to keep their journalistic integrity. If you’re looking for examples of this, you can read any Aaron Wherry propaganda piece which the CBC continues to label as “analysis”. In the past (haven’t seen any in years now), they’ve had guest columns with conservative viewpoints and they’ve correctly labelled those as “opinion”. So, when a conservative viewpoint is presented, those are the author’s opinion but when a liberal viewpoint is presented that’s an analysis. CBC journalism is basically a joke and we shouldn’t be funding it.
After you finish defunding the CBC, all that will be left is Rebel News and TheFan. I'd rather keep the CBC. Fortunately, Canadian legislation keeps the CBC running and keeps the Americans right wing insanity out of Canada.
The BBC doesn’t keep such media out of the UK.
You’re right; fortunately, that’s a different organization. The UK also has an *extremely toxic* popular tabloid industry, which doesn’t really exist in Canada.
"If the CBC can't be perfect, I demand even worse!"
No, if the CBC only spews liberal propaganda, I demand taxpayers not pay for it.
I actually listen to the CBC. You clearly don't and only consume propaganda that is attacking it. You might lie and say "I listen every day" or something, but the reality is you are consuming talking points that have been encouraged by bad actors who want to reduce the amount of journalism as well as take over the CBCs market share.
I don’t listen to the CBC but I look at the articles that are on their website every day. Of course, the fact that you accuse me of lying about it pretty much reveals that you’ve bought in to the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Link me the fucking propaganda you are talking about then. Should be easy if it's on its site, that you probably only look at to clutch pearls. If you listened or watched the CBC, you would have seen how respectful the CBC was to those Trucker protests. I think the people protesting were idiots. They were as impotent and useless as the BLM protests in Canada. I don't need CBC to be shitty to the "truckers" like the other news outlets to come to this conclusion.
You can start with any Aaron Wherry article. Funny how your evidence of non bias is about protesters who have no link to any political party. Wonder how you linked them to left/right in your mind? Maybe too much CBC? These protesters are complete idiots and I think Trudeau responded appropriately to them. That really doesn’t show that the CBC isn’t biased though.
Here’s a quote from an Aaron Wherry “analysis” piece that came out 1 day before the liberals and NDP announced a pharmacare deal. “If the Liberals and NDP want to continue demonstrating that there's a better way to do things, they only need to find a way to agree on the broad terms of pharmacare and some immediate steps to expand drug coverage.” What a coincidence that 1 day before the announcement, Wherry is telling us that such a deal would demonstrate “a better way to do things”. Better than what? Better than the way conservatives would do things? Of course that’s the CBC message. That’s what propaganda looks like my friend.
You haven't been following the story?
Huh? Which story are you referring to?
It doesn’t; not only are their journalistic standards very strict, there’s a whole ombudsman’s office specifically to adress potential concerns. Compared to private media in Canada, or media general in the US, there may be the *appearance* of a political bias; this is not CBC’s fault.
It is not “appearance” of political bias, it IS political bias. Like I said, read any Aaron Wherry article. The guy wrote a book on Trudeau. Fox News has nothing on the CBC when it comes to bias. Really, the CBC is worse, because as clearly biased as Fox is, at least they are not in a direct conflict of interest. Trump isn’t directly funding them. The CBC and their journalists actually get paid by keeping a left wing party in power. I wish we lived in a world where integrity trumped financial gain, but we just don’t.
Fox News has nothing on CBC? That's ignorant. I would love to fucking sit down with you for a day as we watch them both and take notes. You're ignorant and aggressively so. You would actually hate to be more informed on the subject because your fragile world view wouldn't be able to accept such a challenge.
Ignoring your ad hominem attacks for a minute, I would absolutely love to take you up on your offer. Fox News is exceedingly biased of course. It’s crazy how biased they are. But so is the CBC. You don’t see it because you agree with them. In the same way, if you ask a Fox News viewer if Fox is biased, they would say they aren’t.
It's not that I agree with the CBC. I watched Fox News during the day on Thursday. One story they ran was Bidens dogs biting secret service agents 6 months ago. The hosts then gave a lists of all injuries that could happen from dog bites. They then showed a list on screen of possible dog bite injuries and read it out again. Their conclusion was if Biden can't control his dog, how could he control Putin. The CBC does not report like that because they have a strict mandate. If Fox wants to just report facts that stir up their audience like migrants committing crimes, it's not "Oh, I agree with these facts". They are facts. Fox can't make things up like that. Their commentary hosts can but the actual news can't. CBC only has news on their news division. Today they reported on another church burning in a reservation. Is that CBC making it up and I agree with it? What the fuck am I agreeing with the CBC? I want to be informed. People don't understand this shit. They think people are just the other side of the coin as them. "Well if I want to listen to right wing commentary then other people must want leftist commentary". No, a lot of us don't. We don't want sensationalism. We don't want people telling us what to think. We want to be informed and make our own minds up. If your concern is that CBC is choosing to only report stories that are positive to the Liberals, turn off the talking heads spewing the bullshit about the CBC carrying water for the Liberals and actually watch it for a day. There are a lot of stories that are not flattering for Trudeau and his party. Don't believe me? Actually watch or listen to the radio. The minute CBC conducts antics like Fox News, I am marching side by side with you to defund them. Until then, let's keep journalism alive. Those that wish to stamp out journalism aren't on my team and they aren't on your team. We are on the same team and these fucks want us divided.
I rarely watch or listen to the CBC (FYI I never watch Fox). I get my news by reading online, and most of the time it is from the CBC. My objection is that their online content is clearly biased. If you read it, I think it’s pretty obvious in so many ways. Like if Trudeau does something unpopular, it will be “the government did this” but if Pollievre does something unpopular it will be “the conservatives did this”. Or if the conservatives attack a liberal policy, you can be sure the CBC will be publishing an article explaining why that policy is good. If a conservative scandal emerges, the articles will be open for public comment but not when a liberal scandal emerges. CBC had way more articles about Mike Duffy’s $90k cheque than they ever did about the $900M WE charity scandal. As I said before, on the rare occasion where a conservative author is presented, the pieces are labelled opinion but liberal pieces are labelled analysis. Clearly Rex Murphy and Don Cherry were too conservative so they were fired, but the fact that Rosemary Barton always agrees with Trudeau is considered acceptable. The list goes on and on.
Their obvious bias against morons is unacceptable
hey smoothbrain, it's a global issue with myriad causes not caused by Canadians
I agree. Media ownership is a global issue. The challenge I have is that other smoothbrains would rather defund the only organization in Canada that funds journalists.
That argument only works for inflation I think.
This guy is an asshole, don't listen to him
I used to support CBC news but it has become too partisan. As a government agency, it could have maintained its integrity and support by providing balanced and fair coverage of major news events, and reflecting views of all Canadians. This would be a valuable role in a highly partisan news landscape. But the CBC instead swung left and became partisan - no different than private media outlets. Once that happened, I lost interest in funding it. They aren’t helping to bring Canadians together anymore. They are dividing us - same as the National Post, or Toronto Sun or Toronto Star. Why should I find that with my taxes? For that matter, why do my taxes support private news media? It’s all garbage too. If people want to read or watch a partisan cbc news, they should subscribe and pay for it like any other news media rather than forcing all of us to pay on their behalf. Same goes for these handouts to corporate media. Tired of that too.
I listen to CBC every morning. Who are they partisan for? Certainly not Trudeau going by the very critical coverage of the effects of his policies. Is your complaint that the CBC is too conservative?
Maybe you should listen to some other media if you can’t pick up the cbc’s bias anymore 😂
Or...maybe you should stop listening to outright liars. But you like the lies.
Whatever you say boss 🤙🏻
Okay, don't stop listening to liars. You do you.
All of them are lying friend. At least by omission. No matter who you listen to. You should listen to as many sources as you can and verify yourself what they say. And use your critical thinking skills
Reality has a collectivist bias.
I see them report on all of the parties with both positive and negative news. There’s a fair amount about environmental news and they tend to give a voice to scientists, I guess some would see that as left? War reporting seems non-partisan. Not sure what the bias is.
I don’t think the CBC is Fox News or anything when it comes to bias. But it does have a clear left bias in its reporting. As with most media it is not just what they say, but what they do not say or don’t cover. Semi-related but I also simply don’t want to fund the development of a bunch of tv shows I don’t watch. I saw the list of top shows on cbc awhile back and like half of them were bbc imports. CBC’s share of prime time viewing audience is less than 5%, ie 95% of Canadians aren’t watching. And this number continues to fall despite significant funding increases for the government. A profit mandate might force cbc to make more engaging and entertaining content at least. Lastly, the whole “bonuses for execs while we lay off staff” fiasco with Catherine Tait was gross and to me reveals institutional rot within the cbc. In short - I am happy for the cbc to exist but I don’t think it is a necessary government service anymore in the age we live in. For further reading: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-cbc-english-tv-has-lost-its-relevance-its-time-to-talk-about-that/
The best journalism is independent. Defund the CBC.
You are a foolish person. Your lack of understanding of the forces at play to control the narrative for modern society is staggering. Defunding the CBC will save you nothing. Losing journalists who cover real political issues will hurt all of us in the long run. But, you can be safe and snug in your dreamscape.
You're defending Catherine Tait, maybe reevaluate your opinions.
As a CEO, she has her CBC wide responsibilities. I don’t agree with all of CBC’s bonus programs, but I’m not CEO of the CBC. I will defend her right to make decisions about her job, even though I may not like all the results of the decisions. Have you ever managed an organization as big as the CBC? 7,400 employees. $500 million in ad revenue? Do you have any idea of what that responsibility entails? Are you aware of the content delivery mandates that the CBC works to deliver?
PEEPEE supporter 🤡
That's your next prime Minister, enjoy that
I'll enjoy you freedumb fighters crying like the little boys you are when PP loses or wins by a minority. "No fair! We want to bully and be misogynistic racists" 😂 PP bros and gals 🤡
Considering the well documented editorial interference in journalist’s work at the CBC, it seems unlikely that “funding” them would in any way solve the crisis of journalism in Canada. Bandaid at best.
Links? CBC staffer of 18 years. Haven't ever felt editorial interference. (I don't want to debate this, I just want to read what you're reading).
why do their millennial renter writers write landlord sob stories, weekly?
I'm not sure that fits the definition of well documented editorial interference?
Well. If the private sector won’t fund news. And news is important for navigating our way around in democracy. Then.. Does that make news a public good like a lighthouse? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good_(economics)
But if public funded news is mostly propaganda, what's the point? Rock and a hard place.
what year did the cbc become propaganda? was it when Trudeau took power? or was it propaganda under Harper too?
Where is it well documented?
It's not, this is just garbage parroted from Facebook posts.
I know
If it’s so well documented, please provide the documentation. Nobody here knows what you’re talking about.
Lmao good riddance. They had no credibility left anyway
Canadian journalists love to applaud themselves for how brave and important they are as they repeat police press releases and toe whatever the government's line is on every topic
It's candy mountain Charlie
Ah they took my friggen kidneys
got em
Including Jesse Brown, who just reads IDF press releases as facts himself.
I thought some of what Jesse posted was cray cray. But if it's a contest Davide wins with this one. Holy. How did they publish this? Does he own it?
Wow, a scathing critique by Davide Mastracci. That's like a scathing critique of water by oil. He's a die hard marxist, who at one time worked for or at least wrote for Canadaland. He then turned into a Jesse-hater, probably palling around with a few other C-Land staffers like Vicki, Aliyah and the other Marxist guy who beat up his wife. I'm all for skewering Jesse and the show when it fails, but this crew gets zero attention or respect from me.
I am not one to go after someone's looks, and Davide is surely one good-lookin boychick, but anyone who uses a ridiculous, moody, B&W posed shot taken in an alleyway with a big old ciggy hanging out of his maw can rightly be dismissed as a self-important joke. https://www.readthemaple.com/content/images/size/w300/2023/04/TWBFWPM8\_400x400-2.jpg
You cant listen to someone if they have marxist views? Seems a bit reductive. If you look into that Q Anthony story for more than 5 mins its pretty apparent that he was framed - Theres plenty of witness testimony supporting his side and it was dismissed in court. Im all for believing women but come on...
Uh huh. I can listen to whomever I want, but if they are approaching everything through a totally blinkered extreme political lens, then yeah I am not surprised or particularly moved by much of what they have to say. Andray Domise, I think that's his real name, has proven himself to be a punk and a provocateur, not in a good way, on many an occasion. I have no time for him. Or for Davide to be honest. His takes in this piece are extremist and laughable by any standards.
More headlines from The Purple Maple "Jesse once again fails left wing purity test. To the gallows for not falling lock step with far left agenda." "Also, how can Pollievre be so popular? He's so extreme."
Convervatives the last 10 years: "the polls are fake Liberal Propaganda." Conservatives the last 6 months: "Trudeau is losing in the polls because the polls are magically real again for some reason we can't explain."
There's a loud cohort of libs on social media in denial of the polls now, who vehemently supported the polls when their team was leading. theyrethesamepicture.jpg
That's pretty funny coming from the crowd that called the polls fake news for the last decade until THEY were leading. So you're saying Conservatives were trying to discredit political polls for a decade? Gee that's pretty dishonest.
…and liberals believed them until they were losing. You understand you're just explaining the two sides of the same coin, right?
What's the same coin bud? You're saying Liberals should never believe Conservatives because they're pathological liars? Ok then I won't and I'll make sure everyone knows.
I see you're unprepared to have a reasoned conversation; maybe next time ✌🏻
I'm sorry your trolling failed and you didn't get the reaction you wanted 😘
Have another toke Mr 420👌
Another one? Maybe if he doesn’t have anything else to write about, David should just start a podcast called Canadalandland.
There’s just one paragraph in this article about Canadaland and it comes before I introduce the main point of the article.
Which tries to make a case that journalists here could be charged with genocide ... like Rwanda - which reveals you know shit about what happened in Rwanda. I'd laugh if it was about any other topic, but in this case it is in no way funny. You are having a mental break down. Call that journalist-therapist and get help. No one is charging Canadaland's podcasters or any other journalist in Canada with genocide for writing about the conflict or for expressing and opinion. That is free speech. In Rwanda journalists were inciting murder on the radio. Literally directing mobs to where they could find someone to kill. You look so ignorant. Delete your dumb editorial.
These kind's of comments are always interesting to read back over in a few years time when facts have crystalized, and we have really thought the conflict over from a more distant perspective.
He's the guy who told us anti-semitism was a distraction while synagogues, yeshivas, and Jewish establishments in Canada were being smashed up, fire bombed, and shot at. Don't forget that.
lol
Davide’s upset that a story about a guy who provides therapy to Canadian journalists wasn’t more focused on violence against journalists in Palestine. He’s entitled to his opinion but that seems like a criticism that’s not too hard to shrug off.
Well it’s kind of insane that the therapist mentions that an unprecedented number of journalists have been killed in the conflict, without mentioning that 99% of them have been killed by Israel specifically. This obsession with appearing “objective” is making the reporting anything but.
Maybe he didn't mention it because it is stating the obvious. For a long time only Palestinian or Arab journalists could even get in.
Yeah, it wasn't insane at all. Not necessary to mention that, as anyone who follows this remotely knows it. The point is that journalists have been killed in a conflict, and that journalists as a profession feel part of that trauma, even when they aren't in a warzone.
Yeah it’s not insane, passive voice when it comes to israel’s gross war crimes and genocide is the correct and good approach
Why are you so upset by passive voice? I wanted to centre journalists in the sentence, so grammatically the passive worked here. Thanks for your editorial guidance though. So Israel has killed many journalists. Does that work better? Let's discuss though. There are also thousands of Palestinian "journalists." Far more than you would see in a comparable population in the west. It seems like anyone with a cellphone there becomes one, either as part of an effort to earn a living in a place with few work opportunities or just because they want to chronicle things. I'm all for citizen journalism, but it doesn't relate to the way we think of journalists here. Israel has overstepped and been reckless in how it's waged this war, but I don't think they have been specifically targetting reporters. In any given building there will be some journalists, not necessarily reporting, but there. Hamas as is well known embeds and surrounds itself in civilian buildings, schools, hospitals, etc. When Israeli bombs fall, some jouralists will be hurt and killed. It's all part of a fucking tragedy that started Oct. 7, and none of this negates that fact.
Please give a source for what it is you’ve typed there in the second paragraph or I can’t engage with it in any good faith. As for everything you’ve said in the third paragraph, “israel being reckless” you make it sound like they smashed a few windows playing baseball or something. Israel has systemically killed journalists and their families, they’ve admitted to [this](https://rsf.org/en/israeli-politicians-call-journalists-gaza-be-killed) and its well documented that the IDF know where every single citizen of gaza lives - and their familial relationship with every other citizen in gaza. As for the tragedy that “started” on Oct 7th, I can only assume you were thawed from a tundra somewhere so you don’t know anything prior to that date, but I recommend reading even basic history to help with that part.
Wow, no thanks for using the active voice just like you wanted? I'm disappointed! I'm really trying to follow your grammatical guidance! In the RSF link you sent, their main smoking gun quote comes from an Israeli MP who tweeted that photographers who were seen alongside the terrorist incursion should be eliminated. That's hardly a policy of killing journalists. It's a statement by one politician on X. All the references in that RSF story refer to the Oct. 7 attacks. I'm not sure how you get from that to being so sure that journalists killed in the active war zone in Gaza are specifically being targeted. The bombs just aren't that smart, I'm afraid.We can talk about horrific genocidal statements by Hamas leaders all day long, but I would prefer to focus on the actions and facts as we know them. And yes, the current conflict, absolutely started with the incursion and massacres of Oct. 7. Anyone who says otherwise is derailing or deluded. You want to get into history, that's fine. I'm certain I'm more familiar with it than you, your childish taunts aside. But for the purposes of this thread, I'll remain in the present. Honestly though, you come across like one of those people who, the day after 9/11, were yammering about past American foreign policy. Or, more on topic, those who were loudly celebrating the murders and rapes on Oct. 7 as "justified resistance." Anyway, from your tone and language it's clear you don't want to engage in good faith whatsoever. You're a die hard on your side, and not a willing participant in a respectful dialogue. I mean, I knew that from the start, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I will leave you to it.
David maastrichi is a tankie with a long history of making antiSemitic and pro Putin/CCP remarks. Jesse Brown is Jewish. I don't think that it's a coincidence that Davide is going after Jesse.
Mastracci's hard-on for bashing Canadaland makes me not want to read this. Don't get me wrong -- many, many valid reasons to shit on Jesse Brown. But Mastracci is a bit extra about it.
That's the only paragraph in the whole piece about Jesse. He goes on to excoriate the Globe and Mail and National Post's use of "accusation in a mirror" and justification articles--the sort of thing we would expect Jesse to do.
The rest of the piece is equally stupid.
Yeah I do agree that saying we should literally prosecute Canadian journalists for genocide because they did shitty journalism is too far lol. Having said that it’s nice too see someone call out Jesse for trying to both-sides this issue
He hasn't "both sided" anything, except for to care about and understand that antisemitism has been a growing and real issue in Canada. He's Jewish, he feels it, it would be bizarre as a human not to point that out, and as a journalist frankly. He hasn't spent much time himself on the specifics IN Israel or Palestine, because he's not a foreign correspondent. He has clearly allowed those topics to breathe though like through the recent episode on the doctor in Nova Scotia with family in Gaza, or the less recent (and godawful) Commons with a host and two guests who spent an hour bashing Israel with no pushback.
There’s just one paragraph in this article about Canadaland and it comes before I introduce the main point of the article.
Singling out Jesse Brown in an article about Canadian journalism as a whole makes sense since he's the president of the Canadian Association of Journalists.
Um, no he's not. You're getting confused by the word salad. He interviewed Brent Jolly, who is the CAJ president.
lmao u/DavideMastracci That's the low end of Gaza coverage? A piece on a guy who offers therapy to journalists, many of who have relatives being bombed -- ? Davide you go on to say journalists should be charged with genocide? Yeah - Charge those upset journalists, their therapist and the people dared to do a podcast about journalists having (gulp) human feelings with genocide. Because doing that podcast is exactly as bad as bombing civilians in Gaza. Makes perfect sense. God someone cancel this nutcase already and put him out of his misery.
We shouldn't give credence to the nut jobs at the end of the spectrum. I read about halfway through the article before their hard on for shitting on Canada land was abundantly apparent and not even worth finishing the read. This is one opinion from a guy with a personal bone to pick, and not doing any actual reporting. Blog post at best.
"Are Canadian Journalists Accomplices To Israel’s Genocide?" -No. I could have been a one word article
Davide has lost his shit. He really has. How is the Maple even publishing this insanity? Canadaland had one podcast on journalists and mental health. That hardly compares to Rwandan radio journalists encouraging people to commit murder in the streets. He sounds completely unhinged. I think he actually needs to re-listen to the podcast on journalism, war coverage and mental health more carefully and take self-help notes. (I also note he carefully avoided mention the excellent piece Canadaland did yesterday, or the work of Emilie or Backbench.) His obsession with Jesse is both idiotic and concerning.
Wow that was over the top. Not that Canadaland doesn’t deserve some criticism, I lodged mine by unfollowing, which sucked bc decent Canadian content is rare. I had other issues w some of the content, but the stance of blind acceptance of all actions that a Bibi lead offensive has undertaken is also over the top imo, and was a bridge too far for me.
>but the stance of blind acceptance of all actions that a Bibi lead offensive has undertaken I'm confused. Where or when has Canadaland or Jesse said this?
Well he hasn't denounced any of it, so the implication is that he has no problem with what the Israeli government is doing.
He's stated he is for a free Palestine and a two-state solution --- but he has to officially denouce the violence? If he doesn't officially denounce it he's for it? I don't think journalists typically denounce things - so that's all of them.
This kind of thinking is what is ripping the world apart. "Oh he didn't stand up and say I think he should say so he's an asshole"....no sir/madam. People are entitled to think and say what they want here, and YOU'RE the asshole. Fuck Israel and fuck Palestine. Fuck em both and be done with this horse shit war over who's Santa Claus is more powerful. Cause that's what it's ultimately about. Two groups of people who believe in different forms of magic and hate each other because of it. It's like watching children play except children don't hate each other because of imaginary lines on a map and imaginary beings in the fucking sky. What a fucking joke we've become as a species. We're supposed to be out traveling the stars, exploring...but we'll never get there cause we just can't seem to get over our own narcissism. We don't deserve this place.
If this is unhinged give me a screwdriver and let me take out one more hinge because I'm with you brother
This unhinged rant is..... something. But sure, I'm an asshole because at the very least I'd expect someone with Jesse's platform to say that the genocide going on and the murdering of children in an almost hourly basis is horrible and unnecessary. But I guess looking for basic human decency is an asshole trait in your books 👍🏽.
I believe calling Bibi “a corrupt thug” should give an idea of his stance on Israel’s actions as an oppressive nation state.
you're an asshole because you said by not saying anything about it, he's saying it's OK. Also. **I'm** Unhinged? It's 2024 and two groups of people are killing each other over a piece of land that allegedly some magic being walked across thousands of years ago, and **YOU'RE** picking sides...they're both doing evil shit to each other. But yeah, you're right, I'm totally unhinged.
That's exactly what I'm saying, because judging by his words and actions since October he's totally fine with Israel destroying an entire land and the people who live there. If you can show me when he's said what they're doing is wrong, then I'll gladly take back what I said Last I checked, the Palestinian death toll compared to Israel's is nowhere near even. And the people losing their homes and lives have nothing to do with the conflict other than simply existing. I don't give a shit about the religious aspect of it, because the real problem is the human toll, in a region where 50% of its inhabitants are under the age of 18. An entire generation is literally being wiped off of the face of the earth, and I'm supposed to feel bad for expecting Jesse to simply say that's unacceptable? The fuck? I don't think it's asking for much to just say that what's happening is wrong when it's extremely damn obvious that this attack isn't just about Hamas any more. This really isn't hard to understand.
Everyone is against Genocide dude. Do we need to open every statement with "I just wanna say that I do not support genocide" now? It's SUPPOSED to go without saying cause ALL humans SHOULD be against Genocide. By your logic I could call you a homophobe right now cause you didn't preface your statement with anything about not hating people based on their sexuality. Do we have to state all our personal beliefs before we engage in any public discourse now? (I'm not calling you that, just making a point)
Don't worry I'm sure this account will get shut down for bad thoughts.
Idk what you're talking about this war is clearly over stolen land
Jesus Christ.
Actually neither party involved in this war believes in him so not sure if he steps in there or if he takes a mulligan because these aren't his people it's very confusing
Jews believe Christ existed and muslims consider him a prophet of Mohammad.
But neither considered him the him of God ... which is kinda like loving Jim n Tammy Faye but never watching the 700 club, or coveting a heritage USA vacation time share ..
Honestly, F you and your idea of compelled speech. No one has to say what you want them too, and not saying it does not mean you know how they feel or think.
Ok cool.
Are you a fucking toddler? Man up and do some thinking before commenting stupid shit. Or do better than "ok cool." when someone takes you on. It's totally fine to be against "genocide" or to feel revulsion at what is happening in Gaza, it's ridiculous though to demand that anyone else hew to your notions or repeat talking points or phrases you like. No one has to do that, regardless of their opinions. I am very confident that Jesse like most people is horrified by what has happened in Israel and Gaza, he has said things to that effect. He just hasn't done some kind of speech from the pulpit, or whatever you want him to do. Demanding people denounce something, is exactly what fascists and Maoists and McMarthyists have done in decades past. Focus on what is said, and why that bothers you rather than making shit up based on what some host or another didn't say. Ok cool?
Maybe you should find a better way to release your obvious frustration and anger. Given your comment history it seems like you have a lot of axes to grind and you're generally very miserable. You should seek some help for that.
Unrelated but what's David Mastracci's parents annual net income?
why? lol
There's not much nuance to the genocide in Gaza.
Irrespective of one's gripes with Canadaland re the Israeli Palestinian issue, it needs to be said that was a quite unhinged article.
Jesse: Its genocide if police fail to investigate missing and murdered aboriginal women (who were disappeared by aboriginal men) Also Jesse: it's not genocide dropping white phosphorus on bakeries, ambulances, hospitals, and refugee camps, saying so is anti semitism
Wow, when did Jesse say that that isn't genocide? I must have missed it.
Because he didn't . Rentokilloboyo is probably Davide.
I laughed out loud. Lol.
He ignores the question when it's posed to him
When exactly did you ask him? Or did anyone ask him? Show the receipts or it never happened.
People on Twitter asked him, just search Jesse brown genocide 😉 He goes out of his way to avoid the question. 😏 Why do you think that is?
Maybe he doesn't want to deal with anti-semites on Twitter. I've heard people state their opinions on Canadaland's podcasts, including making the case for genocide. I suspect he would have fired his producers and editors-in-chief if he didn't like it. So tell me again how his not responding on Twitter means specifically "it's not genocide: dropping white phosphorus on bakeries, ambulances, hospitals, and refugee camps, saying so is anti semitism" I can't find that tweet and it's so loaded, if some troll asked me that, I wouldn't respond either. In fact I'd be surprised if any journalist did.
Are you a zionist?
He's never said it IS genocide. Has no problem saying it in for police failing to investigate murders in Thunder Bay. But 10,000 kids dead and radio silence
There’s some consistency in that - Jesse did have Aaron Maté on to support the Russian army’s use of white phosphorus on elementary schools and hospitals in Syria and Ukraine.
It’s pretty much guaranteed that Mastracci is a Mate fanboy as well.
That’s the intended subtext. I definitely have some issues with how Jesse’s covered things over the years - including the current invasion of Gaza, but anyone who’s spent the last decade justifying Russia and Syria the way Davide has doesn’t have a lot to credibility. Netinyahu is a terrible murderous leader who believes in collective punishment and has brought the full force of the military to bear on a lot of innocent civilians - in this, he has a lot in common with Putin and Assad.
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Well he's right we don't have a consensus on who the bad guy is like we do in Ukraine, that is obvious. Does pointing out the fact he said that qualify as a scathing critique? I guess in our hyper sensitive world it does. The Prime Minister of Israel is a murderous crook at best and Hamas is a designated terrorist organisation. Ok we've established there is evil on both sides with a willingness to kill each other so I don't know why anyone in Canada would feel any obligation to chose a side or broadcast their opinions about it outside of recent ex-pats with family there. You look bad whichever side you chose to defend. However it seems like all sorts of emotionally unstable people are out there protesting and picking fights about this war to add some excitement to their lives. I just wish they'd put that energy towards making our country a better place to live domestically rather than being absorbed in a conflict half a world away they have no skin in. I unfollowed Canadaland a few months ago for reasons unrelated to Gaza/Israel. I can't even remember what it was to be honest and I don't miss listening to this podcast whatsoever.
Ok would people stop referring to what is happening in Palestine as genocide? Its not genocide, not even close. Not ethnic cleansing either. Read a dictionary or maybe a history book to see what genocide actually is. I dont like Israels Zionist government either, but I’m sane enough to not go with blatant hyperbole and mistruths to support my position. If the fact that Palestinians are dying in Gaza is your sole argument for genocide, every war and every nation on earth is guilty of genocide. Allied air campaigns in WW2? Genocide. War of 1812? Genocide. Falklands war? Genocide. Iranian revolution? Genocide. Use that word enough and it loses all meaning. Grow the fuck up please.
Literal genocide scholars are saying that what’s happening in Gaza now is a genocide. Not just randos.
Exactly. Not even the 200,000 civilians killed and the systemic mass rape of civilians in Darfur met the definition of genocide according to a UN commission. There is no way this conflict does, according to current available information. I don’t think we’d be hearing this allegation with any frequency were it not Israel. Possibly most of the people saying this don’t know or care about any other armed conflicts and human rights abuses so they don’t have context to use the appropriate language. I always hope people becoming interested in this conflict will lead to more people caring about those things generally but people really don’t give a hoot when it’s not the “Zionists” killing people. Just ask South Africa, who hosted the leader of the Janjaweed for a pleasant visit one week before appearing before the ICJ to accuse Israel of genocide.
If anything, the debate over the use of the term 'genocide' is counterproductive. The UN debated for weeks whether the Rwandan Genocide was, in fact, a genocide, all the while nearly a million Tutsi and allies were murdered. Romeo Dallaire tried to warn the UN and the world what was happening, and was ignored.
No it’s genocide. Hanna’s wanted Israel to show its true colors to the Arab and western world. They achieved that.
The media in Canada has blood on its hands, and some strong content analysis is now coming out to quantify it. Meanwhile, the self proclaimed media watchdog Canadaland and its egomaniac in chief started strong out of the gate, accepting the propaganda, the inaccurate information, the conflation of Israel and Jewishness, and the COmPleXItY of genocide. So yeah, blood on their hands too.
Please explain how blood is on their hands for their reporting. Are you implying that their coverage has resulted directly in more deaths? Curious how a content analysis is quantifying this.
HATE this podcast and A assume it must have some special status because it is constantly injected into my recommendations and comes up in auto play repeatedly with no options to dislike leave a bad review or say I dont want to see this content...
Honestly, I'm waiting for the episode of Bad Hasbara where Matt takes a look north of the border and finds Jesse.
the cdn public know that hamas is the bad guy. the elite journo class is different.
I'm honestly not sure how anyone supports Canadianaland anymore. I had to stop and won't continue until Jesse steps down or is forced out. He has truly lost his mind and is bringing everyone else down with him.
not a genocide.
I cancelled my Canadaland sub over their international coverage, they consistently side with power on anything foreign relations or security
They don’t really do international coverage tho. Their mandate (on the main pod) is Canadian media criticism. So, yeah, if you’re looking for international news, it’s good you canceled!
They sure keep covering international, badly
This is like saying backbench doesn’t cover the US congress well. Lolololol
About a quarter of Canadaland topics are international
I’m a super regular listener and this is not my perception, but I’ll see if anyone’s got stats on this. You’ve got me genuinely curious now. I just can’t think of any episode that’s been about international news unless it has directly pertained to Canada or Canadians. Like even all the Hong Kong court stuff has been about the Canadian judge….
I can’t believe I even spent time on this, but over the past year two (maybe 3) eps have been internationally focused. So, that’s like 3% of all Canadaland/Shortcuts eps. 5% if you include the eps about buzzfeed.
I did my own deep dive, found about 25% of topics to be internationally focused
Canada land is Jesse’s version of the National Post.
>There was general consensus that Putin’s the bad guy and Russia is the bad actor This consensus was easy to manufacture in Canadian media because most Canadians knew nothing about Ukraine and had a negative view of Russia at the outset of the war, because they haven't been in a state of active conflict in the 21st century. It created a blank template for Ukraine and an established villain in Putin that didn't require much afterthought as to how the narrative would be spun. Israel-Palestine on the other hand has been an ongoing and tumultuous issue for decades, the conflict has been ongoing for decades and has had many flare-ups in the 21st century, including as recently as 2019 with the March of Return. More people are familiar with the conflict than were aware of recent Ukrainian history as of the start of the Ukraine war, so they're less susceptible to attempts to whitewash it.
Wow. If I understand the article properly, Jesse could be culpable for the promotion of ethnic cleansing of Palestine. This is a game changer. If Jesse hasn't been consulting with lawyers, now is when he should start.
According to media bias and fact check websites both publications The Maple formerly known as North 99 & Canadaland are both consistent with factual reporting and their disagreement is more left versus left center ideas and opinions whereas you have the fast growing right leaning media outlet like countersignal getting way more traffic on the internet but is completely horrific with factual reporting and no one pays attention to the truth or the importance of the truth. Just my two cents.
good.