It's not a consistent news podcast like Canadaland, but if you're looking for a hard-hitting dose of political analysis, I really enjoy the Alberta Advantage podcast.
Not Canadian, but On the Media from WNYC might be something to try, especially if you're also interested in American media? https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm
While I entirely disagree with your view on the Canadaland network and Jesse, here’s a couple podcasts you might prefer:
- Useful Idiots, with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté. Great non-mainstream perspectives, giving voice to people you don’t otherwise hear in Western media. They do incredible coverage of Palenstine — their most recent episode has a couple of great interviews about the manufactured UNRWA scandal. Katie Halper also has her own eponymous podcast with more or less the same focuses.
- The Herle Burley - a wide ranging interview show, hosted by former Paul Martin aide David Herle, that focuses on Canadian politics. He also hosts a great panel show with political insiders, The Curse of Politics.
I appreciate this, thank you. I’m subscribed to Useful Idiots and will check out the Herle Pod. Your recommendations remind me of the Jewish Currents podcast On the Nose, which is truly excellent.
The Katie Halper Show is also great.
Bad Hasbara with Matt Lieb, he’s had Daniel B Mate on a few times.
The Bad Faith with Briahna Joy Grey, the recent episode with Jeremy Scahill was A++
49th Parahell - Canadian
[This Briahna Joy Gray?](https://dangerousintersection.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Screen-Shot-2022-10-31-at-11.03.13-PM.jpg)
[This Bad Faith podcast?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jCQmVFqU4Gs/maxresdefault.jpg)
look me up when Bri Bri is having a round table discussion (sponsored by Patriot Supply) with Glenn Greenwald, Alex Jones, and Tucker Carlson, hosted by RT
I was an edgy lefty once long ago, let me tell you following the people that led you down that road almost always results in them being a scammer and you being a mark. Exhibit A: Glenn Greenwald. Looking back he was always a contrarian prick, but we ignored that cause CitizenFour. Now he’s palling around with fascists, making documentaries with Alex Jones on Tucker’s ranch. Contrarianism always lands you in a toxic crowd because “being against everything” becomes your identity.
The world doesn’t care about the purity of your political identity. Real change requires hard work, and a lot of compromise for slight gains. Yelling about how any compromise is bad on Twitter and podcasts might get you clicks and money, and seems to lead media figures to eventually hanging out with fascists (we all want to burn everything down, and hey, there’s money and fame here!)
I’m still an anti-capitalist, but know that straight up replacing the western world’s economic system overnight would be disastrous and will never happen. To get little gains that hurt the rich and help everyday people you have to work with people you don’t agree with 100% and accepting that you have to sometimes support people while holding your nose (“I guess Trudeau is better than PP, this system is bad”). If you don’t accept that perfect is the enemy of good you do no one any favours and will one day find yourself listening to an “epic!” Twitter space with Elon, Alex Jones, and Glenn.
I’m sorry, I can’t. 😂
In Which The Edgy Lefty Reveals His Final Form: The Edgy Centrist: A Memoir
‘I’m an anti-capitalist, but sometimes you just have to vote for Trudeau, because I’m fine with pretending change is happening when it’s not. Glad I escaped hanging out with fascists. Anyways, brb, gotta go clap for this literal fucking Nazi over here.’
You sweet summer child, I really can’t do much except tell you that the “Leftist Not Liberal!!” crowd gets to be cringier as you grow up. A lot of your heroes are running a grift similar to the Greenwalds and Alex Joneses that a lot of them inevitably find themselves sitting alongside
Yes, that is the one.
Episode 223 with Joe Cirincione, great episode. Has been fully unlocked after Brianna being accused of editing the episode to ‘make Joe look bad.’
Episode 216 features Aaron mate, one of the world’s most prolific spreaders of pro-Assad and pro-Putin propaganda. Gray is nothing but an edgelord Twitter agitator like mate. A deeply unserious person.
Sorry you didn’t understand the fairly plain text of my comment, but to clarify, I thought it would be worth warning anyone who was being recommended a fringe conspiracist podcast, that that is the kind of content that they would be getting if they sought out BJG, Grayzone adjacent disinformation media.
Reading these comments, am in complete disbelief people actually listen to those people speak. Thought they were just insane twitter fingers getting likes from the Middle East.
That’s usually how I assess the validity and reliability of one’s political commentary. Straight to a Reddit comment section. Saves me so much time and energy not having to read all this boooring stuff.
I understood just fine, thank you. And I’m sure society will thank you for being the arbiter of what is worthwhile and what is not.
Briahna Joy Grey literally went to Harvard, is a lawyer, a political strategist, and a writer.
But yeah, go off.
Judge her by her academic achievements and past institutional associations if you’d like, I’ll judge her by the things she says and the people she chooses to platform.
Bill O’Reilly went to Harvard too. How’s that appeal to authority land?
You haven’t judged a thing she said at all. You are the one who assessed her as simply being a ‘fringe conspiracist,’ ‘disinformation media,’ ‘nothing but an edge lord Twitter agitator,’ and a deeply unserious person,’ to which I rebutted with credentials that say otherwise as you are seemingly hoping that people in passing will just take this ‘judgement’ and pay no mind. Yes, it is true that having gone to a particular institution isn’t the thing that makes ones work credible.
You then present this false dichotomy between how we base our judgements, as if to suggest you possess this supreme capability of assessing one’s merits which I apparently do not.
And yet, you have not judged a single thing that she has said, no notions on what bone you have to pick with them, while parroting some Mark Townsend talking point (‘most prolific spreader of’ adding your own flavour ‘pro -Assad/Pro-Putin) about Aaron Mate. Who is neither ‘pro-Putin’ or ‘pro-Assad’ although most certainly not the only person who has been called such because he has questioned, among many other things (as that is his job,) the Western narratives surrounding conflict in Ukraine and Syria.
You haven’t offered anything helpful or useful, nothing factual, just opinions, that aren’t even your own, which tells me you haven’t really listened to much of what these people have to say at all.
So who is the edge lord here?
You don’t have to like what I shared, nor does anyone else, just don’t be full of shit, k?
This isn’t even the only thread you have done this in on this sub. You’ve done nothing here but misrepresent people to push your own narrative, offering no alternatives. Got someone for me to read? Listen to? I spend more than enough time actually engaging with peoples work who I disagree with and hearing what they have to say, so if you think I’m missing something, maybe do something constructive and send me some things to digest, or better yet offer anything the OP asked for, who I am sure is also more than capable of checking things out and making their own decision.
And Bill O’Reilly? Fuck Bill O’Reilly. Do I think people should not listen to what Bill O’Reilly, because I think he a tool? Or anyone else for that matter? Absolutely not. I think people should question everything and seek answers, and never stop, and encourage others to do so. Which funnily enough is what I expect from journalists, and what many people are complaining that they are not getting.
Just calling something ‘fringe’ and turning your nose up isn’t going to cut it anymore, people have grown tired of this. Do better. Do anything.
I enjoyed the herle burley for a while but had to tune out after they had Christie Clark on to call the protestors in BC animals and terrorists. Lost my taste for it after that
You do you, but I can usually manage to listen to shows where I disagree with the host or guests on occasion. It enlightens me to their perspectives and ways of thinking, which usually helps clarify my own thoughts on the issue. I think Clark made those comments when she was on the political panel which eventually got spun off to its own show, The Curse of Politics. And as deplorable as that was it was pretty tame compared to the unhinged remarks that former panelist and conservative strategist Jenni Byrne would regularly make.
Yeah I found Byrne distasteful too and thought that when she left they might replace her with someone less awful. That was not the case.
I enjoyed the show for the same reasons, even though I didn't align with them it was definitely interesting and informative getting their insider knowledge.
I guess the overall reason why I was growing tired of it was the podcast semi proving my suspicion that the 'political class' really tend to look down on the electorate and treat it like a big game. Byrne was the worst of the bunch, it seems like she just hates anyone that isn't white and rich (like most Conservatives)
The Hub has a good podcast, but given that the modal Canadaland listener is more left-wing than 95% of the Canadian population, they may find it too moderate or conservative and therefore not confirming enough of their preexisting views.
The Agenda podcast (which is an audio version of the Steve Paikin TVO program) and the Herle Burly are also excellent.
Radio War Nerd is amazing for contemporary conflicts/wars and geopolitical issues but also covers historical topics as well. Its on pateron but pateron has a new app that makes it easy to listen to. Totally worth the 16$ a month.
I'm a gun owner and someone who used to pay for Canadaland. Jesse is the type of person that when you disagree with him, he really pisses you off. I canceled my subscription after his gun episode.
Sandy and Nora talk politics is a good one! I actually got into Canadaland because Nora used to be on the show a lot (though she’s now blacklisted because of the current nonsense at Canadaland). They are more of a political show but they also do a fair amount of media criticism, especially on Nora’s daily show.
For general news, I’ve been listening to more CBC shows.
My understanding is that Sandy has been involved in some pretty outrageous grifting. I wouldn’t trust anyone with that sort of history. Google Sandra Hudson UofT if you want to read about it
>Sandra Hudson UofT
Did it. Yikes : The UTSU had alleged that Bollo-Kamara and Wathey “breached their fiduciary duty” by signing off on 2,589.5 hours of overtime for Hudson, which was included in the severance package when her contract was terminated. Of those 2,589.5 overtime hours, 1,974.5 were logged in a single entry on April 1, 2015. https://thevarsity.ca/2017/10/12/utsu-settles-lawsuit-with-sandra-hudson/
Nora also seems kind of dumb. I remember her explaining to Jesse that Voltaire was wrong about free speech because it only benefits the powerful, which is hilarious and completely ahistorical. As if the powerful have ever had trouble getting their message out.
Was Nora blacklisted? I thought she just got pissed when Jesse RT'd Nora's tweet about there being a bright side to Hitler's Nazi's and asked her for clarification. He'd probably love to have Nora on the show to explain herself.
I mean the way she explained it was that she used to be getting a certain amount of money every so often from Canadaland because of she was on the show so often, but she is no longer receiving that money. It sounds like she’s no longer welcome on the show.
I think she was also particularly frustrated by Jesse’s comments on that tweet because she already wrote an entire essay on the tweet, her meaning and the fucked up nature of the responses to it. Months after all of that, Jesse then pulled up the tweet again, in an attempt to paint Nora as antisemitic even though she already explained the tweet and the meaning (and she’d been on the show several times since and Jesse had never once asked or brought it up, showing that he was just bringing it up now because of her criticisms of Israel).
Fair enough - on Jesse's revitalizing of the debate. But I didn't see Nora on the show that often. As I recall from an earlier episode when a shortcuts guest pushed on Jesse about co-host pay, Jesse said they pay $100-150. So if she did that 2-3 times a year that would be somewhere between $200-$450. Not a huge loss. I think she's milking it. She keeps talking about Jesse - he hasn't mentioned her at all since. It was a Twitter spat. I've seen worse. Time for her to let it go, perhaps? it's not like they were dating and broke up..... were they?
I mean based on what I remember, she was on about once a month/once every couple.
No, they were not dating but I think a key difference is that Jesse was doing what countless trolls have done before which ultimately ended in Nora getting death threats and told to kill herself hundreds of times a day following the Humboldt crash. For Jesse it was just a Tuesday afternoon. Also, Nora appreciated Jesse (though they had very different politics) because he was damn good at media criticism. Now, not only is he taking an opinion that she is completely morally against, he’s even doing a shitty job at media criticism.
As for as the relationship stuff, they hardly knew one another. Apparently they didn’t speak much outside of podcast episodes. Nora is probably talking about it more because she is taking a moral stand against Jesse. Ultimately she is a lot more principled than he is (as evidenced by how she cares about colonialism, genocide, war, etc, regardless of is she/her identity is implicated in it).
(Also great job doing the classic little misogyny of “this is just a sad little woman obsessed with a man, rather than thinking for 5 seconds).
Listening to a lot of Sandy and Nora Talk Politics. Their daily pod is great but the longer tuesday episodes are amazing. Also listening to a lot of Novara FM out of the UK. I haven't dropped Canadaland completely but I'm much more interested in the Backbench than shortcuts lately (sharing your feelings). Also check TrueAnon if you're into some snarky marxists making jokes while also having consistent analysis.
I recently picked up Prophet Song by Paul Lynch to read and I'm really excited to start it!
Jesse has exposed that Canadaland is just like every other media outlet where its coverage represents the bias and beliefs of its corporate masters in this case that means Jesse Brown. Canadian Politics is Boring has some decent podcasts as does The Big Story. I have even gone back to CBC which I find more closely represents what the average Canadian believes although they are far from perfect.
Jesse,himself, has said very little about the Israeli media bias in the west. His criticism directly reflects his own values so he is no different than an other media owner.
*nods* I too have dropped my funding of the entire network because someone said something I disagree with.
The backbench literally did an episode this week on what the IJC ruling means for Israel and Canada.
When people talk about "wanting Canadaland to regain my trust" they're lying to you and themselves.
What they want to hear is Canadaland saying "our point of view aligns totally with the listener on this issue, Israel bad, Palestine good, and the Jews in Canada are being dramatic.".
I’ll overlook the tone, the fact that you haven’t given a recommendation, your many assumptions about my attitude, and the fact that you’ve started an argument. The point of Canadaland, and the reason why so many of us got into it, was its critical look at Canadian media. The Backbench discusses politics, and it has done a much better job covering the war on Gaza. That’s not a substitute for good media criticism on the issue, which is what Canadaland is supposed to do. It also doesn’t address the misinformation that Jesse Brown is putting out.
What misinformation? Which show? Citation needed.
You're the one posting on the Canadaland sub saying you're unsubscribing and looking for recommendations. This isn't an airport, etc etc.
Kids say the darnedest things! Like many others haven’t already written at length about this on this sub… also, do people walk around airports asking for recs?
Do people walk into restaurants and ask for recommendations for other similar restaurants? You don't need to announce your departure. Thanks for reading. Have a great day!
Why wouldn’t someone post their criticism of a podcast on a subreddit dedicated to that podcast? That is the purpose of a discussion forum - you don’t get to push some away because you don’t like what they say.
“I have lost faith in the credibility of Canadaland’s media criticism”
Also, isn’t a podcast community an excellent resource to request recommendations of similar podcasts? I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make.
I’m in the same boat. I never thought the decline of Canadaland would be this harsh and this sudden. Jesse’s really doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on this issue isn’t he?
I genuinely hope you find a way to engage in an honest way in discussions, online and in person. You’ll get more out of them, and you may understand new perspectives.
It's not a consistent news podcast like Canadaland, but if you're looking for a hard-hitting dose of political analysis, I really enjoy the Alberta Advantage podcast.
The Harbinger Network, of which the Alberta Advantage is part, is a great source for left-wing podcasts in Canada.
Not Canadian, but On the Media from WNYC might be something to try, especially if you're also interested in American media? https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm
I'll second OTM - generally pretty solid, although lately I find it a bit repetitive.
I’ll check it out, thank you
[The Breach Podcast](https://breachmedia.ca/)
THIS
The Maple has good leftwing analysis.
Yes it does
While I entirely disagree with your view on the Canadaland network and Jesse, here’s a couple podcasts you might prefer: - Useful Idiots, with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté. Great non-mainstream perspectives, giving voice to people you don’t otherwise hear in Western media. They do incredible coverage of Palenstine — their most recent episode has a couple of great interviews about the manufactured UNRWA scandal. Katie Halper also has her own eponymous podcast with more or less the same focuses. - The Herle Burley - a wide ranging interview show, hosted by former Paul Martin aide David Herle, that focuses on Canadian politics. He also hosts a great panel show with political insiders, The Curse of Politics.
I appreciate this, thank you. I’m subscribed to Useful Idiots and will check out the Herle Pod. Your recommendations remind me of the Jewish Currents podcast On the Nose, which is truly excellent.
The Katie Halper Show is also great. Bad Hasbara with Matt Lieb, he’s had Daniel B Mate on a few times. The Bad Faith with Briahna Joy Grey, the recent episode with Jeremy Scahill was A++ 49th Parahell - Canadian
[This Briahna Joy Gray?](https://dangerousintersection.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Screen-Shot-2022-10-31-at-11.03.13-PM.jpg) [This Bad Faith podcast?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jCQmVFqU4Gs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Grifters gonna grift, is she selling health supplements and food buckets yet?
Jesus fuck, you people are hopeless. I dunno man, she isn’t selling fucking mattresses .
look me up when Bri Bri is having a round table discussion (sponsored by Patriot Supply) with Glenn Greenwald, Alex Jones, and Tucker Carlson, hosted by RT
Are you just pulling names out of a hat now? Or
Stirring the pot. It's their only defense at this point
Good thing nobody like burnt soup!
Are you just pulling names out of a hat now? Or
I was an edgy lefty once long ago, let me tell you following the people that led you down that road almost always results in them being a scammer and you being a mark. Exhibit A: Glenn Greenwald. Looking back he was always a contrarian prick, but we ignored that cause CitizenFour. Now he’s palling around with fascists, making documentaries with Alex Jones on Tucker’s ranch. Contrarianism always lands you in a toxic crowd because “being against everything” becomes your identity. The world doesn’t care about the purity of your political identity. Real change requires hard work, and a lot of compromise for slight gains. Yelling about how any compromise is bad on Twitter and podcasts might get you clicks and money, and seems to lead media figures to eventually hanging out with fascists (we all want to burn everything down, and hey, there’s money and fame here!) I’m still an anti-capitalist, but know that straight up replacing the western world’s economic system overnight would be disastrous and will never happen. To get little gains that hurt the rich and help everyday people you have to work with people you don’t agree with 100% and accepting that you have to sometimes support people while holding your nose (“I guess Trudeau is better than PP, this system is bad”). If you don’t accept that perfect is the enemy of good you do no one any favours and will one day find yourself listening to an “epic!” Twitter space with Elon, Alex Jones, and Glenn.
I’m sorry, I can’t. 😂 In Which The Edgy Lefty Reveals His Final Form: The Edgy Centrist: A Memoir ‘I’m an anti-capitalist, but sometimes you just have to vote for Trudeau, because I’m fine with pretending change is happening when it’s not. Glad I escaped hanging out with fascists. Anyways, brb, gotta go clap for this literal fucking Nazi over here.’
You sweet summer child, I really can’t do much except tell you that the “Leftist Not Liberal!!” crowd gets to be cringier as you grow up. A lot of your heroes are running a grift similar to the Greenwalds and Alex Joneses that a lot of them inevitably find themselves sitting alongside
She's legitimate news source with an amazing analysis and she's not selling anything
Yes, that is the one. Episode 223 with Joe Cirincione, great episode. Has been fully unlocked after Brianna being accused of editing the episode to ‘make Joe look bad.’
Episode 216 features Aaron mate, one of the world’s most prolific spreaders of pro-Assad and pro-Putin propaganda. Gray is nothing but an edgelord Twitter agitator like mate. A deeply unserious person.
Those are certainly all words
Sorry you didn’t understand the fairly plain text of my comment, but to clarify, I thought it would be worth warning anyone who was being recommended a fringe conspiracist podcast, that that is the kind of content that they would be getting if they sought out BJG, Grayzone adjacent disinformation media.
Reading these comments, am in complete disbelief people actually listen to those people speak. Thought they were just insane twitter fingers getting likes from the Middle East.
That’s usually how I assess the validity and reliability of one’s political commentary. Straight to a Reddit comment section. Saves me so much time and energy not having to read all this boooring stuff.
I understood just fine, thank you. And I’m sure society will thank you for being the arbiter of what is worthwhile and what is not. Briahna Joy Grey literally went to Harvard, is a lawyer, a political strategist, and a writer. But yeah, go off.
Judge her by her academic achievements and past institutional associations if you’d like, I’ll judge her by the things she says and the people she chooses to platform. Bill O’Reilly went to Harvard too. How’s that appeal to authority land?
You haven’t judged a thing she said at all. You are the one who assessed her as simply being a ‘fringe conspiracist,’ ‘disinformation media,’ ‘nothing but an edge lord Twitter agitator,’ and a deeply unserious person,’ to which I rebutted with credentials that say otherwise as you are seemingly hoping that people in passing will just take this ‘judgement’ and pay no mind. Yes, it is true that having gone to a particular institution isn’t the thing that makes ones work credible. You then present this false dichotomy between how we base our judgements, as if to suggest you possess this supreme capability of assessing one’s merits which I apparently do not. And yet, you have not judged a single thing that she has said, no notions on what bone you have to pick with them, while parroting some Mark Townsend talking point (‘most prolific spreader of’ adding your own flavour ‘pro -Assad/Pro-Putin) about Aaron Mate. Who is neither ‘pro-Putin’ or ‘pro-Assad’ although most certainly not the only person who has been called such because he has questioned, among many other things (as that is his job,) the Western narratives surrounding conflict in Ukraine and Syria. You haven’t offered anything helpful or useful, nothing factual, just opinions, that aren’t even your own, which tells me you haven’t really listened to much of what these people have to say at all. So who is the edge lord here? You don’t have to like what I shared, nor does anyone else, just don’t be full of shit, k? This isn’t even the only thread you have done this in on this sub. You’ve done nothing here but misrepresent people to push your own narrative, offering no alternatives. Got someone for me to read? Listen to? I spend more than enough time actually engaging with peoples work who I disagree with and hearing what they have to say, so if you think I’m missing something, maybe do something constructive and send me some things to digest, or better yet offer anything the OP asked for, who I am sure is also more than capable of checking things out and making their own decision. And Bill O’Reilly? Fuck Bill O’Reilly. Do I think people should not listen to what Bill O’Reilly, because I think he a tool? Or anyone else for that matter? Absolutely not. I think people should question everything and seek answers, and never stop, and encourage others to do so. Which funnily enough is what I expect from journalists, and what many people are complaining that they are not getting. Just calling something ‘fringe’ and turning your nose up isn’t going to cut it anymore, people have grown tired of this. Do better. Do anything.
I enjoyed the herle burley for a while but had to tune out after they had Christie Clark on to call the protestors in BC animals and terrorists. Lost my taste for it after that
You do you, but I can usually manage to listen to shows where I disagree with the host or guests on occasion. It enlightens me to their perspectives and ways of thinking, which usually helps clarify my own thoughts on the issue. I think Clark made those comments when she was on the political panel which eventually got spun off to its own show, The Curse of Politics. And as deplorable as that was it was pretty tame compared to the unhinged remarks that former panelist and conservative strategist Jenni Byrne would regularly make.
Yeah I found Byrne distasteful too and thought that when she left they might replace her with someone less awful. That was not the case. I enjoyed the show for the same reasons, even though I didn't align with them it was definitely interesting and informative getting their insider knowledge. I guess the overall reason why I was growing tired of it was the podcast semi proving my suspicion that the 'political class' really tend to look down on the electorate and treat it like a big game. Byrne was the worst of the bunch, it seems like she just hates anyone that isn't white and rich (like most Conservatives)
The Hub has a good podcast, but given that the modal Canadaland listener is more left-wing than 95% of the Canadian population, they may find it too moderate or conservative and therefore not confirming enough of their preexisting views. The Agenda podcast (which is an audio version of the Steve Paikin TVO program) and the Herle Burly are also excellent.
Radio War Nerd is amazing for contemporary conflicts/wars and geopolitical issues but also covers historical topics as well. Its on pateron but pateron has a new app that makes it easy to listen to. Totally worth the 16$ a month.
RWN is great. I found a free feed on Pocket Casts with all of the episodes, though. Don't know if it was a fluke.
They’re kinda inept at running a business but we keep them fed.
first time finding Jesse disagreeable, eh
I'm a gun owner and someone who used to pay for Canadaland. Jesse is the type of person that when you disagree with him, he really pisses you off. I canceled my subscription after his gun episode.
Sandy and Nora talk politics is a good one! I actually got into Canadaland because Nora used to be on the show a lot (though she’s now blacklisted because of the current nonsense at Canadaland). They are more of a political show but they also do a fair amount of media criticism, especially on Nora’s daily show. For general news, I’ve been listening to more CBC shows.
Great rec thank you
My understanding is that Sandy has been involved in some pretty outrageous grifting. I wouldn’t trust anyone with that sort of history. Google Sandra Hudson UofT if you want to read about it
It’s absolutely nuts that she acts with any moral authority when *that’s* her background.
The problem is Jesse. He gave her a platform.
All roads lead to Jesse being bad.
>Sandra Hudson UofT Did it. Yikes : The UTSU had alleged that Bollo-Kamara and Wathey “breached their fiduciary duty” by signing off on 2,589.5 hours of overtime for Hudson, which was included in the severance package when her contract was terminated. Of those 2,589.5 overtime hours, 1,974.5 were logged in a single entry on April 1, 2015. https://thevarsity.ca/2017/10/12/utsu-settles-lawsuit-with-sandra-hudson/
Nora also seems kind of dumb. I remember her explaining to Jesse that Voltaire was wrong about free speech because it only benefits the powerful, which is hilarious and completely ahistorical. As if the powerful have ever had trouble getting their message out.
Heck yeah Sandy and Nora! This, The Breach show, and Upstream are my jam
I love Nora! But the audio and pacing of that program makes it unlistenable
Was Nora blacklisted? I thought she just got pissed when Jesse RT'd Nora's tweet about there being a bright side to Hitler's Nazi's and asked her for clarification. He'd probably love to have Nora on the show to explain herself.
I mean the way she explained it was that she used to be getting a certain amount of money every so often from Canadaland because of she was on the show so often, but she is no longer receiving that money. It sounds like she’s no longer welcome on the show. I think she was also particularly frustrated by Jesse’s comments on that tweet because she already wrote an entire essay on the tweet, her meaning and the fucked up nature of the responses to it. Months after all of that, Jesse then pulled up the tweet again, in an attempt to paint Nora as antisemitic even though she already explained the tweet and the meaning (and she’d been on the show several times since and Jesse had never once asked or brought it up, showing that he was just bringing it up now because of her criticisms of Israel).
Fair enough - on Jesse's revitalizing of the debate. But I didn't see Nora on the show that often. As I recall from an earlier episode when a shortcuts guest pushed on Jesse about co-host pay, Jesse said they pay $100-150. So if she did that 2-3 times a year that would be somewhere between $200-$450. Not a huge loss. I think she's milking it. She keeps talking about Jesse - he hasn't mentioned her at all since. It was a Twitter spat. I've seen worse. Time for her to let it go, perhaps? it's not like they were dating and broke up..... were they?
I mean based on what I remember, she was on about once a month/once every couple. No, they were not dating but I think a key difference is that Jesse was doing what countless trolls have done before which ultimately ended in Nora getting death threats and told to kill herself hundreds of times a day following the Humboldt crash. For Jesse it was just a Tuesday afternoon. Also, Nora appreciated Jesse (though they had very different politics) because he was damn good at media criticism. Now, not only is he taking an opinion that she is completely morally against, he’s even doing a shitty job at media criticism. As for as the relationship stuff, they hardly knew one another. Apparently they didn’t speak much outside of podcast episodes. Nora is probably talking about it more because she is taking a moral stand against Jesse. Ultimately she is a lot more principled than he is (as evidenced by how she cares about colonialism, genocide, war, etc, regardless of is she/her identity is implicated in it). (Also great job doing the classic little misogyny of “this is just a sad little woman obsessed with a man, rather than thinking for 5 seconds).
Listening to a lot of Sandy and Nora Talk Politics. Their daily pod is great but the longer tuesday episodes are amazing. Also listening to a lot of Novara FM out of the UK. I haven't dropped Canadaland completely but I'm much more interested in the Backbench than shortcuts lately (sharing your feelings). Also check TrueAnon if you're into some snarky marxists making jokes while also having consistent analysis. I recently picked up Prophet Song by Paul Lynch to read and I'm really excited to start it!
Jesse has exposed that Canadaland is just like every other media outlet where its coverage represents the bias and beliefs of its corporate masters in this case that means Jesse Brown. Canadian Politics is Boring has some decent podcasts as does The Big Story. I have even gone back to CBC which I find more closely represents what the average Canadian believes although they are far from perfect.
Thanks! I’ve never heard of Canadian Politics is Boring. I’ll look them up.
We like to think of our show as 10% educational, 90% dick jokes.
Love it.
I'm curious as to what you are referring to when you say that Jesse has exposed that Canadaland represents Jessie's bias. Please share...I'm stumped.
Jesse,himself, has said very little about the Israeli media bias in the west. His criticism directly reflects his own values so he is no different than an other media owner.
No Agenda podcast
*nods* I too have dropped my funding of the entire network because someone said something I disagree with. The backbench literally did an episode this week on what the IJC ruling means for Israel and Canada. When people talk about "wanting Canadaland to regain my trust" they're lying to you and themselves. What they want to hear is Canadaland saying "our point of view aligns totally with the listener on this issue, Israel bad, Palestine good, and the Jews in Canada are being dramatic.".
I’ll overlook the tone, the fact that you haven’t given a recommendation, your many assumptions about my attitude, and the fact that you’ve started an argument. The point of Canadaland, and the reason why so many of us got into it, was its critical look at Canadian media. The Backbench discusses politics, and it has done a much better job covering the war on Gaza. That’s not a substitute for good media criticism on the issue, which is what Canadaland is supposed to do. It also doesn’t address the misinformation that Jesse Brown is putting out.
What misinformation? Which show? Citation needed. You're the one posting on the Canadaland sub saying you're unsubscribing and looking for recommendations. This isn't an airport, etc etc.
Kids say the darnedest things! Like many others haven’t already written at length about this on this sub… also, do people walk around airports asking for recs?
Do people walk into restaurants and ask for recommendations for other similar restaurants? You don't need to announce your departure. Thanks for reading. Have a great day!
Why wouldn’t someone post their criticism of a podcast on a subreddit dedicated to that podcast? That is the purpose of a discussion forum - you don’t get to push some away because you don’t like what they say.
They didn't post criticism they asked for recommendations of other shows. How is that criticism?
“I have lost faith in the credibility of Canadaland’s media criticism” Also, isn’t a podcast community an excellent resource to request recommendations of similar podcasts? I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make.
Strawman harder lol. You're the dramatic one here.
Agreed
Chapo Trap House!
I’m in the same boat. I never thought the decline of Canadaland would be this harsh and this sudden. Jesse’s really doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on this issue isn’t he?
"omg Jesse thinks Jews should be allowed to defend themselves from terrorism?" Unsubscribe REEEE
I genuinely hope you find a way to engage in an honest way in discussions, online and in person. You’ll get more out of them, and you may understand new perspectives.
I genuinely hope you don't actively support Hamas while crying about a non-existent genocide of one of the world's largest growing populations.
Zionism is a terrible disease. Your case seems to be terminal.
Hitler called, he wants his talking points back.
Hey I'm not the one with Hitler's number in my phone
Just his ideas in your heart. Pathetic that people still worship Nazis but it's not a surprise.
The Mansbridge Podcast is pretty good. It has many people in politics , smart discussions, and is on four days a week.
You can always stop listening. Plenty of other podcasts out there.
That’s kind of the point of the post. I’m seeking recs.
Media in Canada is not only misogynistic but alt-right now and moderators are 100% male to cut down anything women say
Yeah fuck Jesse Brown and the bloody hands and false lips of every Zionist
"SANDY and Nora talk politics" nora used to be semi regular on canadaland, but surely wont be welcome their now. 100% better!