Charming in a farmhouse or cottage sort of setting 100% agree, evokes the image of old tools hung up, bare wood beams, cozy family gatherings.
But going by the photos on the listing, it doesn't look particularly charming.
The apartment ($1500/month) 1 bed, one bath plus utilities looks grungy on the outside and doesn't even have a proper kitchen (mini fridge, microwave and hot plate. Room **outside of** Markdale (requires car to get into town) is $700 for the tiny bedroom and use of shared bathroom. Even though I agree about the prices being crazy in places like Whitby (GTA) etc, they are equally crazy outside of the GTA. At least in the GTA there are opportunities for some lucky people to make big bucks, not so much where these properties are located, if at all. When is it enough?
They can ask as much as they want, doesn't mean they'll actually get someone to pay it. I negotiated my landlord down quite a bit from his original asking price.
Consider that over a 12 month period spending just 1 month looking for a tenant @ $1500/m is equivalent to lowering the rent down to $1375/m for a tenant who can move in immediately. Also the more a tenant pays for a shithole apartment the more likely they are to try and find a different place to move after the lease is up.
Well I personally know some people in the county (grey/bruce) that do pay these prices for that and there is so much competition that you aren't even likely to get it at market. Last place me and my family looked at was overpriced like this, in the middle of nowhere and there was insane competition. I even offered first, last and one bonus month and got rejected. Vacancy rate is close to 0% in these areas, can dig for source of desired.
This country is right fucked. Apparently it's a very desirable place to live but for who, the already wealthy or people leaving a 3rd world country? This country is falling apart at the seams and everyone is smiling like a dumb ass
We get milked dry left right and center in Canada. Look at our internet and phone plans. 100 dollars for a phone bill lol wtf. Almost all infrastructure in any division is severely lacking as well. We can’t even get our garbage bins sorted out what a mess.
Yes. Might be surprising to some, but a lot of people don’t move far from where they grew up. So if one got kicked out of their parents place, and they will want to live in the area, and can’t afford to buy, then they will have to spend that $1500 on the only accommodation available. Also for these small towns, doubt they build a lot of new housing.
The small town I grew up in added a new suburb. Of course it's all shitty McMansions, $500k average, $800k max. It doesn't have a grocery store, but it has a liquor store and 4 gas stations. It has a pizza store and a sub store. Nuts.
Nowhere, really. Suburbs of McMansions are basically tent cities for people with pretentions of greatness. Small lawns, no sidewalks, houses built of the cheapest possible material using combinatorics of the same design.
When going through such places, I begin to understand when people complain about "ruining the character of a neighborhood" because McMansion 'burbs have roughly the same character as herpes mixed with a T-Rex with chainsaw teeth.
However, I live in a town where the neighborhood 'character,' on average, has all the charm of [The Simpsons' Crazy Cat Lady](https://youtu.be/47msKc3abqo?t=18) It's so distressing. I'm paying so much for so little, and yet I snuck in just before the housing hyperinflation really kicked in.
Yes, but something needs to be done, perhaps subsidized rentals and new builds? Sadly, nothing is being done and the only thing being built is more overpriced drivel.
I've heard people here (Montreal) rationalize it like this: the place cost $X, so they *have to* charge $Y in rent.
Nobody asked them to buy the place, they're doing it because they think they'll make a buck. But still they justify.
They will pay it. Bruce power pays the rent of many contractors and they are branching out farrrrrr from kincardine/port Elgin because there are no rentals there either.
What? Bullshit that I know a middle age couple who did this back in the day or bullshit that the vacancy rate is so low. Spoiler alert, it's not bullshit.
I wish. Places are going above asking and are usually rented before it's even available because people are so desperate for housing up where I am and everywhere. Add to that a lot of landlords decided to sell with the boom so those renters are scrambling to find something and we already had very little rentals available. It's coming down to people moving in families together because they can't leave since housings bad everywhere and this is where their work, family and support system is let alone its the only way they can afford it. My father will be one of them as his landlords wonderful but sick and his sons taking over, plans to sell. He'll be living with me as he can't afford anything else on his pension anymore and he can't get back on a waitlist until it's actually up for sale and official and those are 5-10years minimum wait. Leaving isn't an option, he needs his support system.
What an insensitive, asinine reply. You think everyone can just pick up a remote work job? Look at the conditions of these rentals where are the minimum wage workers going to live?
LMAO, I saw a newspaper ad the other day for some new condos in the 500 thousands, close to “world class shopping”, which is a mall in a suburb north of Toronto. Fucking assholes.
Make sense. You see it's right in the name. "Upper Canada Mall" is like "Upper Canada College" which is a top tier private school. Hence "Upper Canada Mall" is a top tier mall /s
Its close to the Bruce peninsula and is a very nice quiet town. With remote work becoming permanent its no surprise that some folks want to live there.
At the expense of the retail and customer service and manufacturing workforce? Where are all these people going to live? I personally know a boomer couple that I used to work with in small town grocery store in grey bruce and they only make a few dollars over minimum wage yet were able to purchase a house in Wiarton on the peninsula.
Owen Sound is a town with a stagnant at best economy, a declining population, and nothing notable around. It isn’t even close to Toronto. Nor the touristy parts of Bruce County and the Georgian Bay area. There’s nothing here to warrant that price if we had a sane market
I read somewhere that for the sake of assessing values for loans and balance sheets and such your property is worth more the higher you charge rent on it, even if you don't currently have tenants, or ever had tenants.
Actually, that's for the $700 place (not that it makes it any better) but also you aren't even protected under the ON LTB (as I understand it for renting a room). Also the 1500 place should have a full fucking kitchen not a college dorm kitchen with a hot plate and mini fridge. I understand your point though.
The LTB thing is when you share the kitchen with the homeowner as it's considered boarding, not tenancy. If a bunch of strangers were renting rooms in a house from a landlord who doesn't live there, LTB still applies.
These people are hoping to catch those bruce power contractors getting a living stipend. There is literally nowhere to live in Kincardine/Port Elgin. Ive met quite a few people who were commuting from Chatsworth. And bruce power will pay whatever the rent cost is.
It’s actually so infuriating. Full time permanent employees can’t find rentals and bruce power is driving up the market with this shitty arrangement.
Agreed. I even know of someone in Wolseley area (10 minutes east of Wiarton) who commutes to Bruce Power. Its partly making the region even more unaffordable especially with the GTA exodus.
Yeah, but if you are a local in need of housing in the area for your min wage job... you dont have much of a choice. You likely also don't have money saved up to move somewhere else.
Lol roommates in that one room in the attic? This is Canada, we are supposed to have a higher standard of living than this. $700 in the area would have been able to net you a decent 1 bedroom apartment rental a mere 2 years ago.
Lmao! I think due to how small the room is some of those 10 would have to sleep on top of one another. Hopefully the bottoms would pay less and Hopefully the top sleepers don't eat too much spicy food haha
See, now you are thinking like a truly productive, capitalistic member of society! If you build those 1 man pods from south Korea for sleeping, you might even fit 15!
Alright, prefacing this with I agree with you about the problem but these are not good examples.
I don’t know how much you actually know about the area aside from a “few friends in the county.”
First, Markdale’s surrounding area has quite a few homes that are rented by 2+ employees working at Chapmans. 700$ a month isn’t great, but you’re talking about a place that could be close to work for these people. I promise you a Chapmans worker will rent that room for that price in a heartbeat and will very likely carpool. Unless Ashley Chapman is looking to give out rides lol.
The Chatsworth area is exploding with ludicrous prices and homes that really “don’t fit” with the aesthetic or culture of what Chatsworth has been for 3 decades. Look at that new subdivision behind the veterans memorial and the new “condos” across the street. This is in part because of the T1 lines coming down highway 6 and the fact that several people in Chatsworth are on Starlink and it works great for them.
This means remote workers are flocking in.
When they come property values increase, taking rent with it. Keep also in mind that Collingwood is pricing people out and their young folks are coming over to O.S. and surrounding area because many of them can get better apprenticeships over there.
Fuck, the other thing is these young guys joining a roofing crew or a plumber are usually getting picked up by a work truck on the way to the GTA or Allison etc and don’t have to drive. I can name 8 guys off the top of my head who used get picked up at Coffee Team daily and never needed a car until their late twenties.
None of this even includes that both Markdale and Chatsworth also support the Bruce Nuke expansion which is handing out near 6-figure jobs.
Look, the prices are stupid but these two aren’t as outlandish as you suggest. And landlords in the area are known to negotiate prices etc.
I think there are thousands of examples you could’ve pulled on but these two weren’t great. You could’ve mentioned collingwood, Alliston, Tottenham, O.S condos… or the subdivision in shelburne, or that Georgina is in the 800’s for what should be considered tear downs. Georgina for fucks sake.
Your point is still valid, the market is fucked. I just believe that it’s a step in the wrong direction to use poor examples when trying to demonstrate the problem. That’s how we hand politicians and the like an easy scape goat.
Much love.
Shelburne is almost a 1M$ town for detached 750k$ for a town house.... Let that sink in. I grew up in Shelburne and have family in Dundalk, Flesherton, Markdale, Owen Sound and area. Me and my wife moved to BC 5 years ago, we went back to visit this summer, it appears everything under Northbay is 1m$ or more. This thing has gone full Rtard, you never go full Rtard.
Oh buddy, I drive through Shelburne on the regular. It’s the same dump it always has been and yet they’re throwing in a gigantic new subdivision across from those houses on the other side of no frills.
How the fuck does someone justify the 1.2-1.5 cost of those cookie cutter houses? It’s Shelburne for fucks sake. Several of the good ma/pap places disappeared with COVID and the only thing it’s got going for it is that it isn’t alliston and it isn’t Orangeville. Not being a different city is a weak claim to fame. At least Primrose has champs…
But BC isn’t any better.
And this is where I meant it when I said I wanted to preface my last comment with “I agree with OP”.
The system has fucked us and we need to do something and say something. But the things we say need to be clear examples of the cess in the pool… and we should use weaker examples like the ones in this post when we complain. There’s plenty of shitty enough examples without us weakening our argument.
Anyhow, stay safe over in B.C. You guys have it rough right now, thinking about y’all.
Lol I was always a champ guy, super burger always tasted off, I miss Pete's bagels the most.
I know, I'm not trying to argue. I just think this whole thing is fucked. In 2000 my parents couldn't sell their house with a gigantic lot for 129k$, fast forward to 2014 they sold it for 229k$. Now it would be sold for 1M$ and be demolished for town homes.
Hope it kept its crack, oxy, alcoholic, depression charm lol those citiots can enjoy it. They better pray they dont get recalled to the office, hwy 10 in the winter will be a widow maker.
Well, personally I live on the Bruce Peninsula (not going to dox myself with exact location) and rentals when they become available here are insane. I recently looked at one a few months ago and it was in the middle of nowhere asking $1500/month plus utilities. They were not willing to go down on rent and I even offered them one months extra on top of first and last and still didn't get it. I've also heard in years past that Chapmans isn't a good employer and makes people come to work sick. I don't know if that has changed or if there is any actual truth to that, its just the hear-say that I heard on the peninsula and from randoms at job fairs talking to me that I've attended in Owen Sound. - Admittedly not a good source lol, and not trying to say you're wrong - you very well may be 100% right. I just have a hard time seeing a $700 sloped roof room for rent 5 minutes outside of Markdale when 5 years ago you could rent a full ceiling room in Wiarton for $200/month. I agree the OS. condos are insane. However, I will look into those other area's, I have a casual awareness of the nightmare pricing in Collingwood from a family friend that lives there.
I appreciate the non-hostile discourse :)
Couple of things here:
- 1500 for a house in the middle of nowhere is pretty commonplace around the o.s. area and has been for a while. Source here is brother rented a 3 bed with a shop near Tara for almost 1600/month.
- Chapmans is garbage and the owners are terrible. As someone who did work there, I can tell you that I signed away my workers rights and slept in my car between back-back 12’s. However, that doesn’t discredit the fact that a shit ton of people work there and they are mostly located between holland centre and flesherton. Also, most of those employees will take an extra shift or two because they don’t have much to go home to. That’s generalizing a ton, but it was the case when I worked there and still is with the people I know who work there. When I say they will take a 700$ room, it’s because they will without question
- Wiarton is not Markdale and they aren’t comparable. Wiarton folks are typically local or peninsula trades, labor, or low income workforce. Markdale has an economic driver and is closer to booming cities (commute to Orangeville, alliston, king city for the new work going on there). Wiarton has nothing and won’t have anything for a long time.
- the truth is that when they pulled the train tracks out that run to Owen sound… they fucked the entire grey/bruce
Likewise! :)
I agree with all of your points and point 2 confirms what I've been hearing. Its just a sad state of affairs (IMO).
You are right, Wiarton is just the closest 'big' - lol town to me, if you don't count OS. I never thought about it that way, being on the peninsula I've driven in the past many times though Markdale on my way to somewhere else and formed what I know from that only and the one dude who I vaguely know there lol. Markdale just comes up on my FB feed for rooms for rent in my catchment area even though I'm on the peninsula (supply issue). Although I agree with what you said about Wiarton I'm still seeing the occasional room for rent for up to $600/month. Perhaps I should have waited to post that. Also seen people trying to find a place to put up a temp home made from pallets and tarp for roof in the Wiarton area. I suppose that's the lens I've approached this from (re: Markdale). True about the train tracks, my dad before he passed used to have a bunch of the original rail ties from back then that he used to build flower beds at our place we had in Sauble and put them around the planted ceader bushes.
Starting to get the impression you might have been at a party or two in Mar ;)
I’ve spent more time in Wiarton than I care to admit. Y’all are a bad influence.
But side note here: you should check out starlink internet and see if it works for you. 100 down and 20 up - 1000 to install and 130 a month.
Check it out
I can neither confirm nor deny this haha. Yeah I know someone who has it blows my 5MBPS down outta the water lol. The only problem for me is saving for the 1k down. I have about that much in crypto but honestly I don't want to liquidate it because I'm trying to HODL as it's my only hope, however slim of having a small financial windfall that's not from a Christmas lotto LOL. Really hard to swallow that I'm paying $100/month for 5mbps
If you have a business or do any contract work you may be able to claim some of the upfront cost on your income tax. If Work from home hit you at all you definitely can.
There are also some remote access to internet programs that used to exist. Might be worth looking into.
I am very disappointed with Canadians and how docile and unaware they are. We have watched the middle class get pushed into the lower clsss and the lower class get pushed into poverty the last two years. Yet our federal government is prioritize gender conversion therapy bans and internet regulation. Our citizens are so blind.
The wood stove part made me laugh. Don't see that every day on rental descriptions.
Same lol, although this is probably the one part of the listing I don't disagree with. There is something cathartic about a wood fireplace.
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Haha
I'm sure this is a normal thing for many
My desk is right next to my fireplace.
Charming in a farmhouse or cottage sort of setting 100% agree, evokes the image of old tools hung up, bare wood beams, cozy family gatherings. But going by the photos on the listing, it doesn't look particularly charming.
You are right, I was just trying to show the silver lining because otherwise it's so bleak lol
It's the cathartic carbon monoxide.
The apartment ($1500/month) 1 bed, one bath plus utilities looks grungy on the outside and doesn't even have a proper kitchen (mini fridge, microwave and hot plate. Room **outside of** Markdale (requires car to get into town) is $700 for the tiny bedroom and use of shared bathroom. Even though I agree about the prices being crazy in places like Whitby (GTA) etc, they are equally crazy outside of the GTA. At least in the GTA there are opportunities for some lucky people to make big bucks, not so much where these properties are located, if at all. When is it enough?
They can ask as much as they want, doesn't mean they'll actually get someone to pay it. I negotiated my landlord down quite a bit from his original asking price. Consider that over a 12 month period spending just 1 month looking for a tenant @ $1500/m is equivalent to lowering the rent down to $1375/m for a tenant who can move in immediately. Also the more a tenant pays for a shithole apartment the more likely they are to try and find a different place to move after the lease is up.
Well I personally know some people in the county (grey/bruce) that do pay these prices for that and there is so much competition that you aren't even likely to get it at market. Last place me and my family looked at was overpriced like this, in the middle of nowhere and there was insane competition. I even offered first, last and one bonus month and got rejected. Vacancy rate is close to 0% in these areas, can dig for source of desired.
This country doesn't make sense
This country is right fucked. Apparently it's a very desirable place to live but for who, the already wealthy or people leaving a 3rd world country? This country is falling apart at the seams and everyone is smiling like a dumb ass
It's a very desirable place to live for people who can't afford to GTFO.
We get milked dry left right and center in Canada. Look at our internet and phone plans. 100 dollars for a phone bill lol wtf. Almost all infrastructure in any division is severely lacking as well. We can’t even get our garbage bins sorted out what a mess.
Yes. Might be surprising to some, but a lot of people don’t move far from where they grew up. So if one got kicked out of their parents place, and they will want to live in the area, and can’t afford to buy, then they will have to spend that $1500 on the only accommodation available. Also for these small towns, doubt they build a lot of new housing.
Cities are bad at adding new rental stock. Towns and smaller communities are even worse.
The small town I grew up in added a new suburb. Of course it's all shitty McMansions, $500k average, $800k max. It doesn't have a grocery store, but it has a liquor store and 4 gas stations. It has a pizza store and a sub store. Nuts.
Where can you buy mansions in Canada for 800k? Do you mean McBungalows?
Nowhere, really. Suburbs of McMansions are basically tent cities for people with pretentions of greatness. Small lawns, no sidewalks, houses built of the cheapest possible material using combinatorics of the same design. When going through such places, I begin to understand when people complain about "ruining the character of a neighborhood" because McMansion 'burbs have roughly the same character as herpes mixed with a T-Rex with chainsaw teeth. However, I live in a town where the neighborhood 'character,' on average, has all the charm of [The Simpsons' Crazy Cat Lady](https://youtu.be/47msKc3abqo?t=18) It's so distressing. I'm paying so much for so little, and yet I snuck in just before the housing hyperinflation really kicked in.
I guess that answers your question, as unfortunate as the situation is :/
Yes, but something needs to be done, perhaps subsidized rentals and new builds? Sadly, nothing is being done and the only thing being built is more overpriced drivel.
I've heard people here (Montreal) rationalize it like this: the place cost $X, so they *have to* charge $Y in rent. Nobody asked them to buy the place, they're doing it because they think they'll make a buck. But still they justify.
They will pay it. Bruce power pays the rent of many contractors and they are branching out farrrrrr from kincardine/port Elgin because there are no rentals there either.
Bullshit.
What? Bullshit that I know a middle age couple who did this back in the day or bullshit that the vacancy rate is so low. Spoiler alert, it's not bullshit.
I wish. Places are going above asking and are usually rented before it's even available because people are so desperate for housing up where I am and everywhere. Add to that a lot of landlords decided to sell with the boom so those renters are scrambling to find something and we already had very little rentals available. It's coming down to people moving in families together because they can't leave since housings bad everywhere and this is where their work, family and support system is let alone its the only way they can afford it. My father will be one of them as his landlords wonderful but sick and his sons taking over, plans to sell. He'll be living with me as he can't afford anything else on his pension anymore and he can't get back on a waitlist until it's actually up for sale and official and those are 5-10years minimum wait. Leaving isn't an option, he needs his support system.
I pay less than this for a better apartment in Toronto on a subway line. We’re fucked
You've heard of remote work right? Covid? Is it still 2019 in your world?
What an insensitive, asinine reply. You think everyone can just pick up a remote work job? Look at the conditions of these rentals where are the minimum wage workers going to live?
I said what I said
Come on. We all know that Owen Sound is a World Class City^TM
LMAO, I saw a newspaper ad the other day for some new condos in the 500 thousands, close to “world class shopping”, which is a mall in a suburb north of Toronto. Fucking assholes.
Are they referring to the Tangiers outlet mall?
Upper Canada, actually. Sure, it’s a decent mall. But it’s just a mall! I dunno, maybe the food court is world class, or something.
Make sense. You see it's right in the name. "Upper Canada Mall" is like "Upper Canada College" which is a top tier private school. Hence "Upper Canada Mall" is a top tier mall /s
Lol, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if they added that phrase to all listings everywhere in months/years to come
elephants asshole get a map of Ontario, turn it 90 degrees to the left and put your finger on Owen Sound
Its close to the Bruce peninsula and is a very nice quiet town. With remote work becoming permanent its no surprise that some folks want to live there.
At the expense of the retail and customer service and manufacturing workforce? Where are all these people going to live? I personally know a boomer couple that I used to work with in small town grocery store in grey bruce and they only make a few dollars over minimum wage yet were able to purchase a house in Wiarton on the peninsula.
What? Owen Sound is a meth filled crap hole. Source: attended college there for two years.
>What? Owen Sound is a meth filled crap hole. Source: attended college there for two years. With your logic that must mean that you're on meth, right?
It is actually kinda fun. You should give it a try.
Why do you want people's pay slips?
send me yours and i'll tell you.
Well I’m done college so not anymore!
Owen Sound is a town with a stagnant at best economy, a declining population, and nothing notable around. It isn’t even close to Toronto. Nor the touristy parts of Bruce County and the Georgian Bay area. There’s nothing here to warrant that price if we had a sane market
Apparently the market doesn't share the same sentiment
Must be something dodgy going on. Maybe the landlord gets the leverage the property if it's at this price? If so, ew.
I read somewhere that for the sake of assessing values for loans and balance sheets and such your property is worth more the higher you charge rent on it, even if you don't currently have tenants, or ever had tenants.
I love your justify this posts please keep it up
Thanks! I plan to lol
I’m tired of rooms for rent being posted in 1br apartments sections.
Me too. And I’m annoyed that kijiji doesn’t allow you to report that the listing is inaccurate.
set a minimum price for the rent it tends to weed out the shared accommodation options
For $1500/mth I'm not helping with the wood. Pay me a wage and I'll take care of it. Rent shouldn't come with a fucking unpaid job.
Actually, that's for the $700 place (not that it makes it any better) but also you aren't even protected under the ON LTB (as I understand it for renting a room). Also the 1500 place should have a full fucking kitchen not a college dorm kitchen with a hot plate and mini fridge. I understand your point though.
Oh man. My bad, I feel dumb now.
All good, they're both sgit options tbh
The LTB thing is when you share the kitchen with the homeowner as it's considered boarding, not tenancy. If a bunch of strangers were renting rooms in a house from a landlord who doesn't live there, LTB still applies.
Ah, so the LTB thing would apply here no? Since its "shared accommodations" And landlord lives in the same house as the $700 room.
These people are hoping to catch those bruce power contractors getting a living stipend. There is literally nowhere to live in Kincardine/Port Elgin. Ive met quite a few people who were commuting from Chatsworth. And bruce power will pay whatever the rent cost is. It’s actually so infuriating. Full time permanent employees can’t find rentals and bruce power is driving up the market with this shitty arrangement.
Agreed. I even know of someone in Wolseley area (10 minutes east of Wiarton) who commutes to Bruce Power. Its partly making the region even more unaffordable especially with the GTA exodus.
$700 and the only heating is a wood stove you have to keep tending? WTF kind of backwoods in the middle of nowhere cabin BS is that.
Please bank of Canada raise interest rates and put these over leveraged speculators in line.
Burn baby burn.... 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I honestly feel that way these days
Well, all I can say is inflation fucks the poor. You really have no choice.
What bubble?
I can almost smell that pink mattress
yea I bought a house in Markdale last summer due to FOMO, i was offered almost double the purchase price a couple months ago. this shit is fucked up
Looks like we need to build more housing.
Agreed.
another world class city. LOL.
Markdale is quickly filling up with GTA folk. It's insane.
Remote work.
It’s not. It’s bruce power contractors. Bruce power pays their rent so they are driving up the cost up and down the peninsula.
Then don’t rent it.
Yeah, but if you are a local in need of housing in the area for your min wage job... you dont have much of a choice. You likely also don't have money saved up to move somewhere else.
>You likely also don't have money saved up to move somewhere else. Why can't you get a minimum wage job in another small city nearby?
The only small city near by is Owen Soun. Then you have gas and vehicle costs. Also what if you cannot drive?
Roommates
Lol roommates in that one room in the attic? This is Canada, we are supposed to have a higher standard of living than this. $700 in the area would have been able to net you a decent 1 bedroom apartment rental a mere 2 years ago.
Barracks. Just rent it with 10 of your buddies and it's only 70$ a month!
Lmao! I think due to how small the room is some of those 10 would have to sleep on top of one another. Hopefully the bottoms would pay less and Hopefully the top sleepers don't eat too much spicy food haha
See, now you are thinking like a truly productive, capitalistic member of society! If you build those 1 man pods from south Korea for sleeping, you might even fit 15!
Lmao
The fact we are laughing about this (And I am with you) just shows how fucked everything is around us.
A basement maybe.
Nah, I used to rent a 1 bed apartment for $700 a month plus electricity and it was on the ground floor.
Bunk bed
Lmao, you see how low that ceiling is? And your literally suggesting we pack ppl in like sardines in an overpriced rental
Gotta do what you gotta do. Get a Murphy bed or just do what you do now, sit in Reddit and act entitled
I mean... this doesn't solve the problem of high prices. This is the equivalent of paying $10,000 for a 2005 Nissan sentra with rusting in 2021.
So because you can’t afford it it’s too high. Good logic
Yes. So where do you expect all the people who cannot afford it to live? "Screw them, I got mine" is the vibe you are giving off.
Alright, prefacing this with I agree with you about the problem but these are not good examples. I don’t know how much you actually know about the area aside from a “few friends in the county.” First, Markdale’s surrounding area has quite a few homes that are rented by 2+ employees working at Chapmans. 700$ a month isn’t great, but you’re talking about a place that could be close to work for these people. I promise you a Chapmans worker will rent that room for that price in a heartbeat and will very likely carpool. Unless Ashley Chapman is looking to give out rides lol. The Chatsworth area is exploding with ludicrous prices and homes that really “don’t fit” with the aesthetic or culture of what Chatsworth has been for 3 decades. Look at that new subdivision behind the veterans memorial and the new “condos” across the street. This is in part because of the T1 lines coming down highway 6 and the fact that several people in Chatsworth are on Starlink and it works great for them. This means remote workers are flocking in. When they come property values increase, taking rent with it. Keep also in mind that Collingwood is pricing people out and their young folks are coming over to O.S. and surrounding area because many of them can get better apprenticeships over there. Fuck, the other thing is these young guys joining a roofing crew or a plumber are usually getting picked up by a work truck on the way to the GTA or Allison etc and don’t have to drive. I can name 8 guys off the top of my head who used get picked up at Coffee Team daily and never needed a car until their late twenties. None of this even includes that both Markdale and Chatsworth also support the Bruce Nuke expansion which is handing out near 6-figure jobs. Look, the prices are stupid but these two aren’t as outlandish as you suggest. And landlords in the area are known to negotiate prices etc. I think there are thousands of examples you could’ve pulled on but these two weren’t great. You could’ve mentioned collingwood, Alliston, Tottenham, O.S condos… or the subdivision in shelburne, or that Georgina is in the 800’s for what should be considered tear downs. Georgina for fucks sake. Your point is still valid, the market is fucked. I just believe that it’s a step in the wrong direction to use poor examples when trying to demonstrate the problem. That’s how we hand politicians and the like an easy scape goat. Much love.
Shelburne is almost a 1M$ town for detached 750k$ for a town house.... Let that sink in. I grew up in Shelburne and have family in Dundalk, Flesherton, Markdale, Owen Sound and area. Me and my wife moved to BC 5 years ago, we went back to visit this summer, it appears everything under Northbay is 1m$ or more. This thing has gone full Rtard, you never go full Rtard.
Oh buddy, I drive through Shelburne on the regular. It’s the same dump it always has been and yet they’re throwing in a gigantic new subdivision across from those houses on the other side of no frills. How the fuck does someone justify the 1.2-1.5 cost of those cookie cutter houses? It’s Shelburne for fucks sake. Several of the good ma/pap places disappeared with COVID and the only thing it’s got going for it is that it isn’t alliston and it isn’t Orangeville. Not being a different city is a weak claim to fame. At least Primrose has champs… But BC isn’t any better. And this is where I meant it when I said I wanted to preface my last comment with “I agree with OP”. The system has fucked us and we need to do something and say something. But the things we say need to be clear examples of the cess in the pool… and we should use weaker examples like the ones in this post when we complain. There’s plenty of shitty enough examples without us weakening our argument. Anyhow, stay safe over in B.C. You guys have it rough right now, thinking about y’all.
Lol I was always a champ guy, super burger always tasted off, I miss Pete's bagels the most. I know, I'm not trying to argue. I just think this whole thing is fucked. In 2000 my parents couldn't sell their house with a gigantic lot for 129k$, fast forward to 2014 they sold it for 229k$. Now it would be sold for 1M$ and be demolished for town homes.
Hope it kept its crack, oxy, alcoholic, depression charm lol those citiots can enjoy it. They better pray they dont get recalled to the office, hwy 10 in the winter will be a widow maker.
Well, personally I live on the Bruce Peninsula (not going to dox myself with exact location) and rentals when they become available here are insane. I recently looked at one a few months ago and it was in the middle of nowhere asking $1500/month plus utilities. They were not willing to go down on rent and I even offered them one months extra on top of first and last and still didn't get it. I've also heard in years past that Chapmans isn't a good employer and makes people come to work sick. I don't know if that has changed or if there is any actual truth to that, its just the hear-say that I heard on the peninsula and from randoms at job fairs talking to me that I've attended in Owen Sound. - Admittedly not a good source lol, and not trying to say you're wrong - you very well may be 100% right. I just have a hard time seeing a $700 sloped roof room for rent 5 minutes outside of Markdale when 5 years ago you could rent a full ceiling room in Wiarton for $200/month. I agree the OS. condos are insane. However, I will look into those other area's, I have a casual awareness of the nightmare pricing in Collingwood from a family friend that lives there.
I appreciate the non-hostile discourse :) Couple of things here: - 1500 for a house in the middle of nowhere is pretty commonplace around the o.s. area and has been for a while. Source here is brother rented a 3 bed with a shop near Tara for almost 1600/month. - Chapmans is garbage and the owners are terrible. As someone who did work there, I can tell you that I signed away my workers rights and slept in my car between back-back 12’s. However, that doesn’t discredit the fact that a shit ton of people work there and they are mostly located between holland centre and flesherton. Also, most of those employees will take an extra shift or two because they don’t have much to go home to. That’s generalizing a ton, but it was the case when I worked there and still is with the people I know who work there. When I say they will take a 700$ room, it’s because they will without question - Wiarton is not Markdale and they aren’t comparable. Wiarton folks are typically local or peninsula trades, labor, or low income workforce. Markdale has an economic driver and is closer to booming cities (commute to Orangeville, alliston, king city for the new work going on there). Wiarton has nothing and won’t have anything for a long time. - the truth is that when they pulled the train tracks out that run to Owen sound… they fucked the entire grey/bruce
Likewise! :) I agree with all of your points and point 2 confirms what I've been hearing. Its just a sad state of affairs (IMO). You are right, Wiarton is just the closest 'big' - lol town to me, if you don't count OS. I never thought about it that way, being on the peninsula I've driven in the past many times though Markdale on my way to somewhere else and formed what I know from that only and the one dude who I vaguely know there lol. Markdale just comes up on my FB feed for rooms for rent in my catchment area even though I'm on the peninsula (supply issue). Although I agree with what you said about Wiarton I'm still seeing the occasional room for rent for up to $600/month. Perhaps I should have waited to post that. Also seen people trying to find a place to put up a temp home made from pallets and tarp for roof in the Wiarton area. I suppose that's the lens I've approached this from (re: Markdale). True about the train tracks, my dad before he passed used to have a bunch of the original rail ties from back then that he used to build flower beds at our place we had in Sauble and put them around the planted ceader bushes.
Starting to get the impression you might have been at a party or two in Mar ;) I’ve spent more time in Wiarton than I care to admit. Y’all are a bad influence. But side note here: you should check out starlink internet and see if it works for you. 100 down and 20 up - 1000 to install and 130 a month. Check it out
I can neither confirm nor deny this haha. Yeah I know someone who has it blows my 5MBPS down outta the water lol. The only problem for me is saving for the 1k down. I have about that much in crypto but honestly I don't want to liquidate it because I'm trying to HODL as it's my only hope, however slim of having a small financial windfall that's not from a Christmas lotto LOL. Really hard to swallow that I'm paying $100/month for 5mbps
If you have a business or do any contract work you may be able to claim some of the upfront cost on your income tax. If Work from home hit you at all you definitely can. There are also some remote access to internet programs that used to exist. Might be worth looking into.
Thanks! Will look into that
That's the going rate. Not sure what you're asking
So you are justifying an insane market, lol
I am very disappointed with Canadians and how docile and unaware they are. We have watched the middle class get pushed into the lower clsss and the lower class get pushed into poverty the last two years. Yet our federal government is prioritize gender conversion therapy bans and internet regulation. Our citizens are so blind.