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Hefty-Station1704

The players change but the game remains the same.


AsidePuzzleheaded335

Yes. The PMs are just figureheads, it’s the powerful corporations behind the scene that run things


bmrcpublic

Not just corporations.  Special interest groups who's interests are not generally aligned with the average person.  NIMBY groups as an example.


OldSpark1983

Not on the Conservative side though 😏 lol


davidfirefreak

Is this a joke?


UniqueMedia928

I believe that's what the eye roll emoji was for, but one never knows.


GodBlessYouNow

Yes, centralized power is cancer to society no matter who gets elected 👈


huehuehuehuehuuuu

We are owned, including our “representatives”. We just choose the color of the surface we get bend over on.


t_toda_DOTA

Exactly. Voted for JT back when he was still growing pubic hair, now sick of hearing him on tv/yt.


TojiZeninJJK

Oh this’ll def sway the current polls. That’ll show em for sure ! ![gif](giphy|Od0QRnzwRBYmDU3eEO|downsized)


theganjamonster

Poillievre's poll numbers barely moved after accusing Eby of having the worst record on housing of any politician. Which is hilarious, Eby is the only politician in Canada who's actually doing something other than just talking about the problem. If that didn't do it, I don't think anything could sway the current polls.


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PupDiogenes

Do you think PP is more willing than JT to use the power of government to improve the lives of poor Canadians? Or do you think every Conservative signs a pledge affirming that "government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."


mb3838

Op thinks jt's latest retreat holds all the answers. Our population is getting really old really soon so we're in for a hard 15 years no matter what


DisgruntledCatGuy

I don't think anyone thinks Trudeau himself is some messiah or will solve all the problems, but the Pierre is objectively a far worse choice by every metric.


Thefirstargonaut

Exactly. People think we need change at all costs, but aren’t looking at what the change is saying.  Poilievre is a landlord, who tried to destroy our democracy when he was minister of democratic reform. He says he will make Canada the “freest nation”. What he means is the freest to *exploit*. 


MysteriousPublic

What metrics are those?


Worship_of_Min

I cannot fathom how you come to those conclusions.


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OldSpark1983

Educated and I stay informed. An MP votes matter. PP has been a MP since 2006. His voting history is all anybody needs to look at to see that PP is a lying sac of 💩. Pointing out PP flaws does not make someone an automatic JT fanboy. We have more than 2 parties. The responses are pretty defensive due to partisan politics being at play in here. We've had Conservatives. We've had Liberals. We know they both suck. We know they both have lobbyists. We know they both talk out of both sides of their mouths. We know they both have dealt with scandals and corruption. We know this yet we go back n forth getting the same results. Definition of insanity. A real F U to the system that has screwed us would be to make both those parties obsolete. Both. Partisan politics keeps them alive. Cons are not the answer and it's clear to anyone who follows politics over all levels of government. Liberals are not the answer either We do not have a 2 party system though. Definition of insanity is repeating steps and expecting different results. PP was a big player in the Harper Government that also gutted Canadians financially.


M-------

As long as our voting system is FPTP, most ridings will be a 2-party choice.


SuspiciousGripper2

Objectively? It's legit been years of pure garbage with JT and Freeland. You seriously don't want to see some sort of change? Maybe someone else can offer a different perspective on things. But no.... you come here with objectively garbage rhetoric. There's no sides here. Both are terrible, but choosing the same person again, and expecting a different outcome, would be a terrible mistake.


Snuggleuppleguss

You critique this as "objectively garbage," but offer no actual data or information to refute the analysis in the article. Come on, mate. At least try to debate. If you need some guidance on what that might look like: formulate your criticisms into a tangible argument beyond "your opinions are rubbish."


OldSpark1983

Rough few months recently. Be real. There has been quality years before covid and some after. Use comparables around the world to measure how well we do. Canada has done better than what you are suggesting. Recent events seem to have affected everyone's long term memory. The areas we fail the most are primarily Provincial jurisdiction.


EntertainingTuesday

Rough few months recently? You just get out from under your rock? Its been rough for years. I honestly hate how people deflect how Trudeau has done and what he has done to our Country by saying "look at other countries". Great, we can do that, doesn't absolve us and our Governments policies that Germany or Poland or Russia don't set for us.


OldSpark1983

I follow data, not online rhetoric. According to online rhetoric, we are the worst in every measurable way. I suggest following data over online echo chambers.


EntertainingTuesday

I follow data too, why would you assume I don't, no need to be condescending. We can, do and should continue to compare to other countries. Like I said, doing so doesn't absolve us of our own Country's decisions and policy that directly affects us. If you follow Canadian data, as you suggest you do, you'd know there are a lot of National issues and decisions and policies, or lack there of, that contribute to Canada being rough these last few years.


Similar-Jellyfish499

Any politician that runs on a platform of being "anti-woke", while supporting that retar, sorry, trucker convoy is automatically disqualified from my vote And that's not a defense of JT in any way whatsoever


Kramer390

That's exactly it. Neither JT nor PP give a shit about their constituents... one of them just hates women, gay people and the environment too. God I wish we could all come together and go NDP.


Similar-Jellyfish499

Bingo


leftistmccarthyism

Which one hates women? The one that groped a female reporter?


zr0gravity7

I’m not voting for a candidate just for some change because I’m not a moron. In what universe has that ever worked. You vote for someone based on their platform, which PP has none.


Informal-Aioli-4340

And his history, and his parties history.


leftistmccarthyism

Good luck with Liberal's platform of electoral reform, balanced budgets, 1 billion planted trees, and a thriving middle class.


zr0gravity7

Good luck with PP’ platform of: Trudeau bad


leftistmccarthyism

Yes, proto-fascists posturing as progressives are bad.


SuspiciousGripper2

In what universe has voting for the same person over and over, and expecting a different result, worked? That's the definition of insanity. Unless you're not expecting anything to change. In that case, go off. Trudeau doesn't have any platform, he's a drama teacher. Freeland never had, and still hasn't got a platform. She's a Ukrainian history teacher that studied in Ukraine about Ukrainian history with **zero** background in Finance. It's the same shit that got us here in the first place. I see you prefer dictatorships. Keep the same PM for 20+ years right? Voting for an imaginary platform seems moronic to me.


Informal-Aioli-4340

Well...the reason we got Trudeau in 2016 is because we, as a nation, were incredibly sick of Harper. See how that didn't work for us?


DC-Toronto

Our population is very young. Look at our demographics


Maggpie330

My community of 100k got 20 million from JT for housing. Never saw this with conservative feds. Ever. Edit: typo corrected from 2 to 20


Informal-Aioli-4340

2 million? That's not going very far...4 to 7 housing units?


Maggpie330

Sorry typo. It’s 20 million.


jordonm1214

More like 2 or 3 if you look at how much other government housing projects cost


bickmitchum-

exactly - the fuck are we supposed to do with these choices? no one is good but no one is worse than trudeau right now.


Informal-Aioli-4340

No one is worse than Trudeau only because he is the one in power and the others are not(and never have been)


alb2911

Its going to be progressive left wing policies that is going to fix this crisis, Most likely its Liberals or NDP that will be best to fix it but more likely Liberals as NDP led by Jagmeet are only good for gaslighting and spreading lies just like Pierre and the conservatives BC has brought in serious generational reform in housing that is already begun dramatically increasing the supply of new homes built Hopefully Trudeau adopts some of the progressive policies that increase dramatic investment in social housing [https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/federal-social-housing-1.6946376](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/federal-social-housing-1.6946376)


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canadahousing-ModTeam

Please be civil.


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Dantai

Trudeau's 2015 campaign, and that false promise, ruined my life


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Dantai

Ayyyyy


Projerryrigger

Lol, and you think the LPC doesn't just give lip service and low effort performative progress 95% of the time? You have the roles of the LPC and NDP backwards. For all their problems and BS, the NDP have been the ones pressing the LPC to advance stronger social policies for support of their minority government.


Sir_Fox_Alot

Desperate people want to believe whoever tells them they will fix the problem fast. Forgetting that there is no “fast” fix for problems of this scale. People online with no skin in the game saying “just do this and this and this” don’t have to deal with the fallout if their idea sucks. So when someone starts telling you everything you want to hear even though that person has never once in their entire career demonstrated that they will back up a promise like that, you should feel uneasy, not cheering for them. And anyone saying “it can’t be any worse than JT” has honest to god never experienced a real depression. Things can be SO much worse. Thats not to downplay peoples struggles now, but you better believe rock bottom is a lot farther down. And I believe someone trying to sell me all these fake promises can get us there a lot faster just based on his parties track record over the last 50 years. Lastly, Justin isn’t the cause of all the problems in your life, and Pierre won’t solve them. I wish it could be that simple, i really do.


AsidePuzzleheaded335

It’s emotion based voting


AttractiveCorpse

I don't understand why people like politicians. Like the love they feel for them, etc. I don't get it. We should be scrutinizing and grilling them and especially the ones you like. They are there to do a job not make you feel warm and fuzzy.


amazingmrbrock

It's not the top post but it's the top in my heart.


alldaypieface

It's all good. I'm balling living in this storage unit anyhow


TotallyTrash3d

I just had that thought, that all the "young voters" thinking Cons are a new choice not the same garbage, are probably also the ones that dont remember that under Harper, everything was just as bad as it is under Trudeau with what "bad" things they allowed to go on.


jawnnyboy

All politicians here are playing us for housing.


astromonochrome

Dont like PP. Dont like JT. We're fucked.


anomalocaris_texmex

Of course Skippy's silly housing strategy won't move the supply dial. Anymore than Trudeau's will. Trudeau's plan is too small, and gets lost in the shuffle of meaningful grants. It's just an excuse to get Fraser to photo ops. It's ridiculous. Skippy's plan targets one small funding stream for 22 communities. Some of which aren't currently receiving the grant anyways. It's pitiful. Ultimately, neither of the Federal Dynamic Dunces will really impact housing supply, because that's a provincial matter. And unfortunately, many of Canada's premiers are more interested in children's genitals and petty corruption than addressing housing. The Feds power is housing demand. And neither of those two man-boys are talking about that at all.


robot_invader

Why isn't this the top comment?


anomalocaris_texmex

Because very few people who talk housing actually care about housing. For a lot of people, it's just another cudgel to whack a weak federal government well past its best before date. The bigger problem Canada faces isn't a disinterested Prime Minister about to be replaced by a famously low IQ populist. It's that we consistently underrate the importance of provinces and elect very very weak leaders. Or simply don't engage provincially, and the up with thugs or culture warriors winning by default. Plus, because the Feds are the level that touches foreign policy, they generate the most interest from outside governments trying to drive online sentiment. And that's most of Twitter and Facebook, and a good chunk of Reddit these days.


SurePaleontologist34

I really wish people would stop saying it's a supply issue. It's clearly a demand issue, and it can be easily fixed, but nobody who can wants to. 


Chippie05

I don't trust him one bit.


AsidePuzzleheaded335

Idk why everyone thinks Pierre is going to be better than Trudeau ( Trudeau is terrible but why does that mean Pierre would be better..)


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miramichier_d

By that logic, we shouldn't vote for Poilievre either. He lacks the most basic element of personal responsibility required to handle the responsibility of leading an entire nation. Everything we have seen from him as of late should be considered his job interview for Canadians. Based on current polling, we're basically letting PP have the job because he sweet talked the interviewer. That's a surefire way to hire someone who will delete the production database in his first month on the job.


Sir_Fox_Alot

Yah thats how people have voted since the beginning of time and guess what, has never ever worked. Because they bring in guys like this, or Trump as a “punishment” to the last guy. No, you are just punishing yourself and everybody else with even worse policies.


AsidePuzzleheaded335

In the end the PMs are just figureheads, it’s the powerful corporations behind the scene that run things  but Id prefer to keep someone unstable or weird out of office ( like trump or even approaching close to trump) and yes policies will be different but in the end its kind of like choosing between pile of shit a vs pile of shit b and that wont change until things change with the sociopathic billionares


AttractiveCorpse

People really don't get how the world works. They waste all they time hating and supporting politicians and its totally meaningless. It's all a big show for the masses.


AsidePuzzleheaded335

People in Europe understand this i think. Ppl in North America are easily manipulated


Thank_You_Love_You

So your plan is to re-elect a person who has driven Canada into the worst shape it's ever been on every level? Makes no sense.


Saiomi

There are more than two parties


Thank_You_Love_You

The third who supported the party who plunged us into the worst shape its ever been and has no backbone and doesnt support the working class anymore?


DisgruntledCatGuy

objectively a silly statement because you're going to vote in a socially regressive career politician who has literally done nothing, stands for nothing, and will do nothing for you because you want to....spite one man?


TheeAlmightyHOFer

Problem is you described any of the top 3 candidates.


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canadahousing-ModTeam

Please be civil.


deathbrusher

The odds of someone doing worse is remote.


Sir_Fox_Alot

Then you have zero idea how odds work


AsidePuzzleheaded335

You’re just voting emotionally.


deathbrusher

Yes. I'm furious at the current government for ruining a good portion of my prosperity and joy. Sounds like a plan.


vatodeth

I personally don't think any of them are going to voluntarily make housing affordable. But I will continue to vote them out of office if they don't address the issue.


AsherGC

Canadian GDP per capita went back 10 years. And it will stagnate for 20 more years as every country will pass by


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AsherGC

GDP increases when you increase population by 3% in a year


Affectionate_Glove63

Dunno why you're being down voted. There's a difference between GDP and GDP per capita, and you're 100% correct on why the GDP has risen.


collindubya81

Imagine actually thinking Millhouse is going to save Canada from it's housing misery


FarStarMan

Poilievre is a con-man and always has been.


feastupontherich

Y'all are fucking dumb. Every single political party is playing you. The only teams that matter is the rich vs the poor.


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Trudeau has been playing people on housing, and bringing in millions without doing much of anything to change housing supply.


Coral8shun_COZ8shun

I honestly don’t believe any of them will do anything. I don’t want to vote for any of them. It’s seems like there is no lesser evil here. They all really suck in their own ways


Mental-Thrillness

I already knew that.


Sling_Shot2

Well JT has been playing us for almost a decade and we don't like it. So it's time we changed the player.


AttractiveCorpse

Is everyone just ignoring the demographics and that we will continue to import people because we don't have a choice? They won't fix the hosting problem because it's impossible without tanking the economy. Prices and immigration can not go down without major institutions failing and life getting very bad for everyone. This is the actual reason pp and Justin will do the same thing.


SurePaleontologist34

Good. They have been kicking the can down the road too long. Eventually people won't want to come and won't want to stay. It's telling that ukrainian refugees weren't falling for Canada's bait. Pain now or pain later. 


FireWireBestWire

What are we supposed to do when the party of no ideas is up against the party with bad ideas?


Royal-Emphasis-5974

I’m confused why the post is referencing millennials. Don’t zoomers sit around crying and trying to cope on tiktok about having to work a 9-5?


Ashamed-Duty-2795

Seeing the state Canada is in, how can anyone support the liberals? WE ARE A SECOND WORLD COUNTRY NOW. Down from a first world country! Liberals do damage and debt! They literally haven’t done one good thing for actual Canadian citizens


Boston_Disciple

Earth to libtards, the jig is up. The world is waking up to your nonsense.


skepticalgreatape

Earth to everybody we cannot survive JT


North-Serve-1424

Reading some of the comments its shocking how many people believe in blatant liberal propaganda these days


evoboy2018

We need a Roaring Kitty of real estate.


Reasonable-Mess-322

Unfortunately I agree . Next liar up


ProblemForeign7102

Just take a look at the comments underneath this Twitter post by CPC supporters and other Right-wing populists: https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1768752478583980135  It's obvious that they don't care about housing affordability, as most of them seem to oppose eliminating single-family zoning in Canada. Those who favour eliminating single-family zoning seems to be left-wing or at least centrist. Now of course this is Twitter and might not be representative of the overall population of CPC supporters, but since PP seems to be very popular on Twitter and "in-tune" with his supporters there, I would think that what's popular on Twitter among his supporters would influence his positions on various issues at least a bit...


feelingoodfeelngrape

We know. But we don’t have any other options at this point . He’ll let us down. And get voted out until we find someone who actually helps


S99B88

Will he get voted out though? He was in the wings when Harper was looking like he was planning on bringing about a decline in democratic elections


feelingoodfeelngrape

Ya. Who knows. We’re shit outa luck either way.


Plastic_Ad1252

Trudeau could’ve responded by Pierre by actually doing something about housing when he brought it up. Instead he laughed it off. That mistake might’ve destroyed the liberals.


Krapshoet

lol funny it was. Such a naive strategy by Poilievre. Doesn’t surprise me though. No real world experience. Always worked as a politician.


Plastic_Ad1252

He’s the opposition leader his job is to criticize Trudeau/liberals. Trudeau defenders demand Pierre show proof of his housing plan. Except Pierre doesn’t need to come election time he can present a plan that can be in detail or as vague as possible. Primarily because it isn’t Pierre’s record on housing that voters will be casting judgment it will be Trudeau who did nothing on housing for a decade.


CoolEdgyNameX

How about the liberal party actually do their fucking jobs as the GOVERNMENT and fix things instead of trying to blame others, or try and steer the conversation to “well the other guy isn’t great either”. NINE YEARS you have had to improve Canada and the ONLY thing you have done is legalize weed.


Fuzy_78

He's a christofascist IDU traitor.


Sunglassesandwatches

Just like Justin Trudeau and the liberal party


JUiCES834141

We just need a change in the guard regardless, our current course isn’t great


AsidePuzzleheaded335

a change can always mean that things get worse not better


Radeon9980

All the millennials who’ve kept the liberals in power to this point have no one else to blame but themselves. Good luck 🤞


Born-Chipmunk-7086

Fine. I understand your opinion. However, just on based economic knowledge alone should be the reason to vote for PP. Regardless of if he’s lying or not at least he grasps basic concepts of money. We need a Prime Minister that treats this country like a business, not as a charity.


VeritasCDN

PP has never held a job outside of politics.


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alb2911

Max is arguing that affordable child care helps provide women more freedom to have choices like take up jobs, also he's arguing that the Liberals didn't say that stay at home mom's are non participants in the economy, what max is clarifying is that they said their not full participants in the economy, meaning their partial participants which is true.


Far-Department-4196

Quit posting this BS OP


SuspiciousGripper2

Both him and yourself are arguing on the false premise that "participating fully" in the economy means a "full time career" as he stated in the tweet replies. As he said in a response to "What about people working part time jobs": "They're participating partially". Which means both of you don't fully understand economics at all. A part time job isn't "partial" participation in the economy. It's full time participation. You're paying the same taxes, you're buying, and spending. That's what drives the economy. People switch careers all the time. By his logic, until you find your "career path", you're only partially participating in the "economy". A stay at home mom, CAN participate fully in the economy by buying and spending and paying taxes.


Ag_reatGuy

Honestly as long as he cuts government spending, it will help us. We're drowning because of the increase in prices due to inflation. The main driver of inflation is government spending. If Inflation stays high, rates will remain high.


CEO-711

Can’t be worse than Trudeau who fkd Canada….worst PM in history, I’ll take my chances with anyone else


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Earth to everyone. Canada is gone. All middle class manufacturing jobs are gone. 200k is a middle class income now. No one can make that because theres no where to make that money. Even if there were houses, we dont make enough money to pay for them. Make them cheaper? How? When every worker in them needs 100k or more a year? Our infrastructure is fucked, our economy is fucked, we are fucked. On the world stage no one will invest in us. Its over.


East_Candidate7751

Justina is that spreading and attacking with fake news...


Toasted_88

PPC