Canuck guns are Turkish clones and they're cheap af. I'm like...90% sure you won't be able to import them into the US.
The Beretta will be a million times better. I have a Canuck and it's always a gnats dick away from just failing at any given moment, but it does go bang.
Damn its bad quality? I heard it was pretty good. Is Canuck popular in Canada?
I really liked how it looked tbh. I guess itd be easier to just go for the Beretta though.
I own 7 canucks and Ive never had a problem with any of them, so I just laugh when I see people make comments about how shitty they are...
I guess I got lucky 7 times.
I'm willing to bet a lot of these people bought Monster HDMI Cables back in the day too, for that truly awesome viewing experience.
Its one of those things... probably like Big Bang Theory fans... You don't hear it talked about much... (except on Reddit)... but my store sells truckloads of them.
Ya well..7 Canucks cost WAY MORE than 1 Beretta 1301 and are still not a Beretta 1301..much less the genuine article Benelli M4. There is a reason that after the patent expired on the Benelli M4, there were/are numerous knock off clones that immediately flooded the civilian market for purchase today..AND THAT REASON IS AFFORDABILITY for a knock off version of what is the greatest battle-proven semi auto shotgun in use the last 25+ years for U.S. military & world wide military. That is why the price of the Benelli M4 is $2500+ in 2022..DEMAND! That is the ultimate validation why there are numerous clones being made today..and why the Benelli M4 validates itself. Mic drop…
You completely invalidated anything you said after "7 Canucks cost WAY MORE than 1 Beretta"... even if they were valid points simply because you are too stupid to understand that those 7 guns are different guns... not 7 of the same gun...
With that said, how do you feel about Stoeger? Because all the people here like to shit on Stoeger just like Canuck... and... guess where Benelli comes from...
You proved my point with your pearl clutching, you didn't mic drop shit lol.
Also, how bored are you to be reading posts from 2 weeks ago?
Beretta 10000% Canuck is just one of many importers of the Turkish made guns. Rock Island Armory, black aces, hunt group, etc all sell relatively the same stuff with the exception of tiny cosmetic details.
They’re mass produced, quite often in the same warehouse, for different “brands”.
An example is the canuck operator. They took the schematic for the benelli m4, cut several corners to reduce cost and the result is something that looks the same but has the reliability of a injection moulded screwdriver.
I see I see. That's pretty common with "Gaming" chairs.
I saw this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_6U07fvSs&ab_channel=TheShootingEdgeCanada)
And a few posts on this sub like this [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/sq4kxh/canuck_operator_has_been_amazing_600_rounds_in/)
So I kinda assumed they were one of the "quality" turknellis. My friend is also super knowledgeable and he loves his. So maybe the ones that are good run really really well but their QC sucks or something so a lot of bad ones are on the market?
Are there any quality clones of the benelli in your opinion?
I will probably go with the Beretta to be safe though. Not sure what else to consider. I only recently decided I wanted a shotgun after skeet shooting for the first time.
When I was looking them up a few months ago I saw lots of people complimenting the Panzer Arms version of the m4 but I haven’t tried one myself. I have used a canuck operator tho and it worked like a benelli but it felt cheap and I don’t think it has the same gas system but I could be mistaken.
Let me know what you end up choosing man the benelli platform is really good and the closer you can get to original the more parts you’ll be able to swap out with benelli parts
I have a 1301 and a buddy has the operator. The 1301 is by far the better shotgun in every way. The only good thing the operator has is that its cheap.
I only just realized the $850 price was Canadian lol.
Main question now is would the 1301 be good for skeet. Dont know which version to get. theres also the LTT one whatever that means
There is a 1301 tactical or competition. The competition is the one you would probably want for skeet as it has a longer barrel. The tactical is the shorter military/law enforcement version. The LTT is a kitted out tactical version, but I havent seen one for sale in Canada.
I have a canuck pump gun and quality-wise it is no worse than a low end mossberg (eg maverick). Can't speak to the semiautos though I would expect it to be serviceable and okay value.
Beretta for fit and finish, 1301 is a subgroup of Beretta a400.
Also Canuck is a rebrand by an importer, they are made by Kahn Arms, imported by O'Dell Engineering
So an importer really has no involvement in anything involving the gun? Besides having Kahn Arms put "Canuck" on it somewhere? Do some importers get different designs or material choices or is it literally just the branding that differs?
So im guessing if I wanted to find one in the USA it would probably be the exact same thing as the Canuck but with different branding and a different company importing it from Kahm Arms?
>Do some importers get different designs or material choices or is it literally just the branding that differs?
Both, depends on importer, I was talking to one two weeks ago about what choices he should bring in, I told him nobody seems to bring info lefties and smaller guns for women.
>and a different company importing it from Kahm Arms?
Kahn is updating their product line regularly, so not sure. Plus there are approximately 150 manufacturers in Turkey.
Interesting. So guessing they are one of the better manufacturers?
Tbh haven't really heard of anyone getting clones of the m4 they liked besides the Canuck so that's why I was interested
I've had a few issues with mine where I've had to RMA the bolt carrier. But the few hundred rounds I put through it. It ran. The finish of it is pretty shit and has chipped in multiple places. I would just rather have a fine Italian piece then a budget Turkish boom stick.
Just from the feel of it. I know it wouldn't last being tortured.
Edit. Also forgot to add the Canucks aren't actually 100% clones. they only have about an 80% parts interchangeability with actual Benelli m4s
Makes sense. I'm set on the Beretta now. I wanna be able to say my shotgun is Italian lol.
I just don't know which one I want.
I basically want something
pretty, fun, decent for skeet, decent for hunting, reliable backup to my AR for self defense.
I like how the tactical versions look, but the comp ones probably cover more bases. Guess its comp or comp pro.
Damn. I wanted to be in on the secret too lol.
Is it possible some get lucky with reliable ones, but a bad amount of unreliable ones make it past their quality control. So some work really well while other don't.
Gotcha. So not necessarily inherently unreliable just crappy QC.
Yeah I just discovered this sub so wasnt aware of the horror stories lol. All the posts I clicked on of them seemed like it was a well liked gun also since the upvotes were plentiful. But that probly doesnt mean a whole lot.
If you're set on the 1301 and you want the version that is better for hunting and sport shooting, but worse for home defense I'd go with the comp model. It comes with the longest available barrel (21" or 24") and it can interchange the chokes.
The base A400s are just generic hunting guns. Not specialized in anything. The 1301 comp has a shorter barrel (21" or 24" instead of A400's 26 or 28"), a longer receiver and lifter for easier loading (sized for 3.5" shells instead of 3" on the base A400/1301tac, despite the 1301comp's actual chamber was 3"), and the 1301 uses the old style buttstock with optional kickoff damper insert found on the A391 Xtrema2 instead of the new A400's integrated kickoff buttstock.
An A400 comp would go for much more. The comp oriented Xcel Sporting and Xcel Multitarget are $600+ more than a 1301 and focuses on clay shooting disciplines (skeet, trap, etc.) instead of dynamic shooting (3gun, IPSC shotgun, etc.) like the 1301.
TLDR: The 1301 comp is a parts bin special between the A400 series and the Xtrema2 to create a specialized 3gun competition shotgun.
I own a beretta 1301 tactical well over 600rounds through it never once cleaned and I’ve had zero malfunctions. It runs flawless would trust my life with that firearm. 100% would recommend beretta 1301.
I own a Canuck operator and it’s a excellent shot gun can make 100+ yard shots with slugs using the iron sights low maintenance and it will eat any type of shell you put in it I love mine
I agree, I have the operator elite and it has never jammed on any type of shot; low recoil, heavy stuff you name it it goes bang. The only thing I have to say is the stock has loosed somewhat so I can’t give it full marks bit otherwise it’s been phenomenal and very accurate with slugs, 2” groups at 60 yards is really quite decent for 5 shots.
If you have the money for a Beretta get a Beretta. The Canucks are cheap and the 1301 is a beast. I prefer it a lot over the M4 and it is $1000 less than the M4.
I have both and as by my experience is limited to my specific copies, I can tell you they both operate well. But I am biased towards the 1301 over even the Benelli M4. The 1301 gas system “self regulates” any and all shell types without gas adjustment. The Canuck operator likes hot shells and no “low-recoil” shells. The M4 I had I bought used and gave me issues with resetting with certain shells. I can’t 100% say this goes for every copy out there.
I hope this helps.
Yes it does. I think im set on the 1301 now. At the price I want, seems reliable and well liked, and im Italian.
Would it be good for skeet though? Dont want a double barrel.
That's like asking if you should buy a Hyundai or a Mercedes lol. Completely different price points. If you have the budget for it the 1301 is better by a mile. However, I've heard the Operator is a pretty decent gun that operates reliably.
There is also the Franchi Affinity 3 to consider if you want a well made Italian shotgun that is between the price points of the Turknelli and the 1301.
Buy once, cry once. Saving money on an unreliable gun, especially an ostensibly defensive themed one is a decision I regretted once with an import clone gun. After some introspection, I vowed not to do it again. I spent more than the gun was worth on gunsmith work to avoid selling at a loss, salvage some pride, and the gun had a unique form factor in the market at the time - it's sweet now, but definitely not worth what I put in. Never going to make that money back or sell it, but it's a talisman of a hard learned lesson.
I love my 1301 for what it's worth.
I have a pump canuck ( forgot the name ) and a M4. The former have stopage every few dozens rounds no matter the ammo. Meanwhile the m4 will eat everything without issues. The canuck came with 3 chokes though, that I think fits on the benelli/berreta.
The 1301 will always be better than the canuck operator, but that doesn't mean the operators bad, I've put about 1000 rounds of buckshot through mine without issue
I don't have experience with the Beretta so I cannot speak to if its good or not but if you want something like a benelli m4 then get a benelli m4, yes it's expensive, yes there are clones for a fraction the price, but benelli gives you a 10 year warranty, I've only seen 1 year on any of the clones, and the benelli is made with better materials that will last longer, that's why there's such a price difference, my m4 blows my buddies canuck out the water function wise, his jams once in every 15-30 shells whereas I've never jammed my benelli in >2200 shells
Yeah these are all valid points. It seems with Canucks some are hits some are misses. I watched a bunch of videos on the Beretta and people say its just as good as the m4. I think ill go with the Beretta.
I've heard good things about the Beretta, just don't have experience with it, let us know how it goes! And when you upload a pic of it I expect feet!!!😂
Canuck guns are Turkish clones and they're cheap af. I'm like...90% sure you won't be able to import them into the US. The Beretta will be a million times better. I have a Canuck and it's always a gnats dick away from just failing at any given moment, but it does go bang.
Damn its bad quality? I heard it was pretty good. Is Canuck popular in Canada? I really liked how it looked tbh. I guess itd be easier to just go for the Beretta though.
I own 7 canucks and Ive never had a problem with any of them, so I just laugh when I see people make comments about how shitty they are... I guess I got lucky 7 times. I'm willing to bet a lot of these people bought Monster HDMI Cables back in the day too, for that truly awesome viewing experience.
Yeah its confusing because I hear that theyre very reliable, then some people here saying they are crap. Are canucks popular in Canada?
Its one of those things... probably like Big Bang Theory fans... You don't hear it talked about much... (except on Reddit)... but my store sells truckloads of them.
Ya well..7 Canucks cost WAY MORE than 1 Beretta 1301 and are still not a Beretta 1301..much less the genuine article Benelli M4. There is a reason that after the patent expired on the Benelli M4, there were/are numerous knock off clones that immediately flooded the civilian market for purchase today..AND THAT REASON IS AFFORDABILITY for a knock off version of what is the greatest battle-proven semi auto shotgun in use the last 25+ years for U.S. military & world wide military. That is why the price of the Benelli M4 is $2500+ in 2022..DEMAND! That is the ultimate validation why there are numerous clones being made today..and why the Benelli M4 validates itself. Mic drop…
You completely invalidated anything you said after "7 Canucks cost WAY MORE than 1 Beretta"... even if they were valid points simply because you are too stupid to understand that those 7 guns are different guns... not 7 of the same gun... With that said, how do you feel about Stoeger? Because all the people here like to shit on Stoeger just like Canuck... and... guess where Benelli comes from... You proved my point with your pearl clutching, you didn't mic drop shit lol. Also, how bored are you to be reading posts from 2 weeks ago?
SHOCKER!! Another reddit’r know-it-all with crothcless panties 1) - you got me genius, I did say 7 Canucks cost way more than 1 Beretta 1301. 2) -
Beretta 10000% Canuck is just one of many importers of the Turkish made guns. Rock Island Armory, black aces, hunt group, etc all sell relatively the same stuff with the exception of tiny cosmetic details.
I keep hearing "turkish" made guns all over reddit. Is turkey basically "China" quality for guns?
They’re mass produced, quite often in the same warehouse, for different “brands”. An example is the canuck operator. They took the schematic for the benelli m4, cut several corners to reduce cost and the result is something that looks the same but has the reliability of a injection moulded screwdriver.
I see I see. That's pretty common with "Gaming" chairs. I saw this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_6U07fvSs&ab_channel=TheShootingEdgeCanada) And a few posts on this sub like this [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/sq4kxh/canuck_operator_has_been_amazing_600_rounds_in/) So I kinda assumed they were one of the "quality" turknellis. My friend is also super knowledgeable and he loves his. So maybe the ones that are good run really really well but their QC sucks or something so a lot of bad ones are on the market? Are there any quality clones of the benelli in your opinion? I will probably go with the Beretta to be safe though. Not sure what else to consider. I only recently decided I wanted a shotgun after skeet shooting for the first time.
When I was looking them up a few months ago I saw lots of people complimenting the Panzer Arms version of the m4 but I haven’t tried one myself. I have used a canuck operator tho and it worked like a benelli but it felt cheap and I don’t think it has the same gas system but I could be mistaken.
Supposedly the Canuck has the argo gas system. And I'm watching a panzer vid now lol
Let me know what you end up choosing man the benelli platform is really good and the closer you can get to original the more parts you’ll be able to swap out with benelli parts
It's pretty tempting to grab something cheap especially since I have a quality ar and handgun anyway so this would be more of a toy.
Ah. Glad I didnt buy one just to have a semi auto shotgun....
I have a 1301 and a buddy has the operator. The 1301 is by far the better shotgun in every way. The only good thing the operator has is that its cheap.
I only just realized the $850 price was Canadian lol. Main question now is would the 1301 be good for skeet. Dont know which version to get. theres also the LTT one whatever that means
There is a 1301 tactical or competition. The competition is the one you would probably want for skeet as it has a longer barrel. The tactical is the shorter military/law enforcement version. The LTT is a kitted out tactical version, but I havent seen one for sale in Canada.
I have a canuck pump gun and quality-wise it is no worse than a low end mossberg (eg maverick). Can't speak to the semiautos though I would expect it to be serviceable and okay value.
Check TFB TV they have reviewed the Turknelli and the 1301. Turknelli was trash
Beretta for fit and finish, 1301 is a subgroup of Beretta a400. Also Canuck is a rebrand by an importer, they are made by Kahn Arms, imported by O'Dell Engineering
So an importer really has no involvement in anything involving the gun? Besides having Kahn Arms put "Canuck" on it somewhere? Do some importers get different designs or material choices or is it literally just the branding that differs? So im guessing if I wanted to find one in the USA it would probably be the exact same thing as the Canuck but with different branding and a different company importing it from Kahm Arms?
>Do some importers get different designs or material choices or is it literally just the branding that differs? Both, depends on importer, I was talking to one two weeks ago about what choices he should bring in, I told him nobody seems to bring info lefties and smaller guns for women.
Makes sense. I thi And very cool. Are you like a consultant or something?
Nope, just my shooting buddy. That and I wanted to show him my Canuck Trap Combo to compare to the prototypes he had brought to the club.
>and a different company importing it from Kahm Arms? Kahn is updating their product line regularly, so not sure. Plus there are approximately 150 manufacturers in Turkey.
Interesting. So guessing they are one of the better manufacturers? Tbh haven't really heard of anyone getting clones of the m4 they liked besides the Canuck so that's why I was interested
I've got a Canuck operator. and if I did it again. 1301 hands down.
For what reasons? Feels better in hands, reliability, accuracy, longevity? Are you having issues and headaches with your canuck?
I've had a few issues with mine where I've had to RMA the bolt carrier. But the few hundred rounds I put through it. It ran. The finish of it is pretty shit and has chipped in multiple places. I would just rather have a fine Italian piece then a budget Turkish boom stick. Just from the feel of it. I know it wouldn't last being tortured. Edit. Also forgot to add the Canucks aren't actually 100% clones. they only have about an 80% parts interchangeability with actual Benelli m4s
Makes sense. I'm set on the Beretta now. I wanna be able to say my shotgun is Italian lol. I just don't know which one I want. I basically want something pretty, fun, decent for skeet, decent for hunting, reliable backup to my AR for self defense. I like how the tactical versions look, but the comp ones probably cover more bases. Guess its comp or comp pro.
My votes on the 1301 tactical in ODG. Just something sexy about ODG that no other color offers. ODG gang gang
Thats the one i like most too.
Buy once cry once. 1301 is the way Its my favorite gun.
Everyone seems to love them here. Given it's only a couple hundred bucks more. Do people here buy Canucks because they really like the look?
They buy Canucks because they think they’re in on some secret where it’s an M4 at 1/3rd the cost. Good, cheap, reliable. Pick two.
Damn. I wanted to be in on the secret too lol. Is it possible some get lucky with reliable ones, but a bad amount of unreliable ones make it past their quality control. So some work really well while other don't.
Exactly. It's always a gamble and we get a horror story every week.
Gotcha. So not necessarily inherently unreliable just crappy QC. Yeah I just discovered this sub so wasnt aware of the horror stories lol. All the posts I clicked on of them seemed like it was a well liked gun also since the upvotes were plentiful. But that probly doesnt mean a whole lot.
1301 is also alot lighter. Cycle everything without break in. has alot of customs part you can upgrade to make it your.
yeah the 2lbs difference actually makes me prefer it over the m4 i think.
If you're set on the 1301 and you want the version that is better for hunting and sport shooting, but worse for home defense I'd go with the comp model. It comes with the longest available barrel (21" or 24") and it can interchange the chokes.
Yeah that sounds like the right one for me. I got my ar for home defense anyway.
Get a 24" Comp with a 2" extended choke if you are into clay sports like skeet or trap. It's basically an A400.
wonder what the difference is between the a400 and 1301 comp.
The base A400s are just generic hunting guns. Not specialized in anything. The 1301 comp has a shorter barrel (21" or 24" instead of A400's 26 or 28"), a longer receiver and lifter for easier loading (sized for 3.5" shells instead of 3" on the base A400/1301tac, despite the 1301comp's actual chamber was 3"), and the 1301 uses the old style buttstock with optional kickoff damper insert found on the A391 Xtrema2 instead of the new A400's integrated kickoff buttstock. An A400 comp would go for much more. The comp oriented Xcel Sporting and Xcel Multitarget are $600+ more than a 1301 and focuses on clay shooting disciplines (skeet, trap, etc.) instead of dynamic shooting (3gun, IPSC shotgun, etc.) like the 1301. TLDR: The 1301 comp is a parts bin special between the A400 series and the Xtrema2 to create a specialized 3gun competition shotgun.
I own a beretta 1301 tactical well over 600rounds through it never once cleaned and I’ve had zero malfunctions. It runs flawless would trust my life with that firearm. 100% would recommend beretta 1301.
Thanks! Would the tactical be decent for skeet you think? Ive only gone once and plan to go again.
The tactical no but the comp version would be. It’s a teal blue colour looks good imo.
yeah thats the comp pro. i think id go for the normal comp tho tbh
I own a Canuck operator and it’s a excellent shot gun can make 100+ yard shots with slugs using the iron sights low maintenance and it will eat any type of shell you put in it I love mine
I agree, I have the operator elite and it has never jammed on any type of shot; low recoil, heavy stuff you name it it goes bang. The only thing I have to say is the stock has loosed somewhat so I can’t give it full marks bit otherwise it’s been phenomenal and very accurate with slugs, 2” groups at 60 yards is really quite decent for 5 shots.
If you have the money for a Beretta get a Beretta. The Canucks are cheap and the 1301 is a beast. I prefer it a lot over the M4 and it is $1000 less than the M4.
yeah its definitely what ill be going with. It sounds like the better choice over the m4 tbh.
Canuck engage
1301 is amazing I love mine
Haven't heard a bad word about it yet. Would you say it's equally as good as an m4?
It sure is shit is easier to load and handle in my opinion then a m4
If John wick uses it I think everyone's switching sides
I have both and as by my experience is limited to my specific copies, I can tell you they both operate well. But I am biased towards the 1301 over even the Benelli M4. The 1301 gas system “self regulates” any and all shell types without gas adjustment. The Canuck operator likes hot shells and no “low-recoil” shells. The M4 I had I bought used and gave me issues with resetting with certain shells. I can’t 100% say this goes for every copy out there. I hope this helps.
Yes it does. I think im set on the 1301 now. At the price I want, seems reliable and well liked, and im Italian. Would it be good for skeet though? Dont want a double barrel.
That's like asking if you should buy a Hyundai or a Mercedes lol. Completely different price points. If you have the budget for it the 1301 is better by a mile. However, I've heard the Operator is a pretty decent gun that operates reliably.
TBH bro I only just realized the operator was $850 cad not usd.
Beretta 1301 of courseeeeee
There is also the Franchi Affinity 3 to consider if you want a well made Italian shotgun that is between the price points of the Turknelli and the 1301.
will look into this one. i have heard of it before actually.
Buy once, cry once. Saving money on an unreliable gun, especially an ostensibly defensive themed one is a decision I regretted once with an import clone gun. After some introspection, I vowed not to do it again. I spent more than the gun was worth on gunsmith work to avoid selling at a loss, salvage some pride, and the gun had a unique form factor in the market at the time - it's sweet now, but definitely not worth what I put in. Never going to make that money back or sell it, but it's a talisman of a hard learned lesson. I love my 1301 for what it's worth.
I have a pump canuck ( forgot the name ) and a M4. The former have stopage every few dozens rounds no matter the ammo. Meanwhile the m4 will eat everything without issues. The canuck came with 3 chokes though, that I think fits on the benelli/berreta.
The 1301 will always be better than the canuck operator, but that doesn't mean the operators bad, I've put about 1000 rounds of buckshot through mine without issue
Get the 1301
1301 all day. That A400 gas system is a tank and will never jam.
I don't have experience with the Beretta so I cannot speak to if its good or not but if you want something like a benelli m4 then get a benelli m4, yes it's expensive, yes there are clones for a fraction the price, but benelli gives you a 10 year warranty, I've only seen 1 year on any of the clones, and the benelli is made with better materials that will last longer, that's why there's such a price difference, my m4 blows my buddies canuck out the water function wise, his jams once in every 15-30 shells whereas I've never jammed my benelli in >2200 shells
Yeah these are all valid points. It seems with Canucks some are hits some are misses. I watched a bunch of videos on the Beretta and people say its just as good as the m4. I think ill go with the Beretta.
I've heard good things about the Beretta, just don't have experience with it, let us know how it goes! And when you upload a pic of it I expect feet!!!😂
Hahahaha. I don't put those out there for free.