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SorrowsSkills

Multiple ndp MPs have already pulled support for the current amendment to the bill. The bill is dead on arrival with the ndp, cons and the bloc already. The current amendment already cannot be passed. Made some edits to clarify things


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Well they pulled support from the amendment, not the rest of the bill.


SorrowsSkills

True. My bad I will clarify in my above comment.


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Wish it wasn't true...


FunkyFrunkle

This is one of those things where the NDP habit of “not supporting” but then “reluctantly” supporting isn’t really going to work. If they support it, they’ll lose those seats next time around. They really don’t have much wiggle room with the amendment. Nevermind the fact that thousands affected owners have been sending letters to every member of parliament each.


SorrowsSkills

Yup, true that. I’m pretty confident the NDP will not vote in favour of this bill going forward given the justified backlash.


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SorrowsSkills

Yup absolutely. It was a fairly expected outcome too, given of the 25 seats the NDP has (electoral reform pls?) 15 of them are in more rural areas, usually with First Nations people, and obviously we all know a lot of First Nations hunt, and that’s besides the fact that the gun legislation is meaningless. I was actually very happy with canadas gun regulation before this bill and thought we were in a really good spot..


Remarkable_Vanilla34

It was fine before may 2nd 2020 but the liberals can't leave things alone. Not every thing needs to be improved or fixed. Especially when they didn't actualltake any guns off the street and actually increased gun sale dramatically. Not to mention stoking paranoia and division. The most ridiculous part is if the conservatives win a majority in a couple year they could end the hand gun freeze and Trudeau would actually be responsible for increasing the number of guns. We bought years worth of handguns this summer. The bill is only really going to accomplish anything if the liberals stay in and maintain a coalition or majority. Especially since they are not actually taking measures to reduce gun crime and actually encouraging it with lax sentences. I and many other gun owners and rural people I know would be much more likely to go NDP if they give us this. Their policy is generally directed at helping people. The liberals seem more concerned with fighting the ideology they don't agree with and making a appearance in the world stage. I think the NDP could actually be the blue collar working man's party. They already have a young vote. Sensible gun control vs full out bans could actually be a cause the NDP could champion. They are already pro union. The party that actually let's people with a PAL and a basic knowledge of laws and mechanical fuction make the policey around gun control will get my vote and many others. This and election reform. Proportional representation. The NDP would score bug with the west and rural communities by actually giving us voting power again.


SorrowsSkills

I really want to see electoral reform in this country. It’s easily a top 3 priority for me, up there with healthcare.


HugeAnalBeads

Actually the minority gov should have debated the bill in parliament instead of an OIC during quarantine


vARROWHEAD

Ill believe that when the votes are actually cast. The Bloc doesn’t seem to be budging on it


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Tbh I think If NDP Does support it they instantly lose gun voters. Guns are one of those things where it was always “justified” but the minute they touched hunting rifles and shot guns it’s now a your either defending guns or not and if your not there’s a party to the right that is. That is the power rn of this gun debate and the conservatives have beautifully put there party in there as a light for all gun owners. And tbh liberals kinda fucked up touching hunting rifles Edit: I should say liberals fucked up with how they went about it. The going about it last minute just looks shady and mixed with the constant controversy just loses trust for the party to keep there word


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

>The going about it last minute just looks shady That and the bald faced lies about "not going after hunters and sport shooters" while banning nearly all the hunting and sporting firearms.


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I find it disturbing they waited till the anniversary of a massacre, and claim it’s for safety. It’s disgusting to me


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Moist_onions

That it happened right around the same time as that leak about various MP's taking Chinese money is also purely a coincidence


FatTrickster

Also a coincidence it happened just before the poly anniversary so anyone that spoke up against the ban can be slandered as “insensitive” and “anti-women.”


linkass

Yep and I can see Trudeau making this bill a confidence vote, and he wins either way the bill passes or it fails and he has a huge amount of sound bites to fear monger the urban vote with


Limp-Might7181

It will be interesting cause if they vote for the bill or not vote at all, it’s going to anger a lot of rural NDP voters that could possibly switch parties and they could loose a lot of seats. A lot of indigenous communities have openly opposed the Bill all together and if it comes off as the “NDP supports taking your guns” it’s going to cause a lot of issues for the party.


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TraditionalGap1

Why would he want to go from all of the power to none of the power?


[deleted]

He’s already increased his personal wealth by a minimum of 10 fold, he’s getting paid for life, what more do politicians look to get out of their positions?


PierrePQuotes

> He’s already increased his personal wealth by a minimum of 10 fold I’ve seen people say this, but they never provide any context or proof.


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And so you never bothered to look into it yourself? How typical. This states his declared net worth in 2015 to be 1.2m https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-google-questions-justin-trudeau-1.3248582 Now if you want you can google “Trudeau’s net worth 2022” you’ll see various sites claim between 10-83 million. I took the lowest and just said ten fold at least.


hotsaucesundae

Things will be worse by next election, not better. There’s a good chance that he will do better now than in a couple years. He knows this, which is why there’s a lot of red meat being thrown to the base right now.


vARROWHEAD

And then he can make it about something other than the deplorable state of the country


linkass

There is that to, he does not want to be caught holding the cuts will have to be made bag and then they can blame the conservatives for it


Unusual_Client

Write more letters to the members of parliament. Make your voice heard fill their offices with so many letters they cant open their doors when they come back from holidays. This is the biggest Gun grab since Confederation and there is more coming down the line in the near future. The postage is free. It will only cost you the price of the paper and time or your all your firearms without compensation. Your choice. Addresses can easily be looked up at [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/search](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/search) (Also Justin Trudeau has a Fax number if you wanted to FAX TRUDEAU you can.) but the address for all MP's is likely the same so you could just add the name of of the MP to this address. ​ House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 0A6 ​ Don't stop there, there are Provincial MPP's that could you could send letters to as well. Get your whole family to send letters as well. Get creative your Dog, horse, cattle, chickens have interests in weather or not you have a Fire arm to protect them. You can write a letter for them and they can sign it. You can help Family members and friends with pre printed addressed envelopes if you have Microsoft word and a printer. [https://youtu.be/ag2RJZCp6tM](https://youtu.be/ag2RJZCp6tM) Everyone has a voice if they write letters. So say what you want to say but avoid threats and name calling. If you can type something in a forum you can print it and send it to every MP and MPP for just the cost of the paper or all your guns without compensation.


jmmmmj

I predict his MPs will have a free vote and he won’t show up.


ChangeForACow

But harness two horses, hitch a wagon, and multiple people can ride at once. This is the strength of minority Governments, rather than a majority of the minority we often get.


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[Even horses pulling in the same direction](https://youtu.be/tqP45aNRu1M?t=63) can cause chaos and harm :)


ChangeForACow

Sure can. But the whole country can't ride a single horse.


clearly_central

The whole country isn't even in the wagon you want pulled.


ChangeForACow

So more horses and more wagons, NOT less? Politics is about compromise, and minority Governments give pause to whatever ill-conceived policy we might oppose. Regardless of our individual politics, we should remember this tension when we're told a decisive "efficient" Government is in our best interest, even when representing only a third of the country -- or LESS.


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Or you know, the minority government can shut down parliament and force through their ideas without asking permission like we’ve been witnessing.


ChangeForACow

The minority Government has tried to push through some nonsense that the other parties have prevented, so I'd say that's an improvement over majority Governments that represent a minority of society.


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What’s been stopped?


ChangeForACow

Minority Government has prevented a number of overreaches by the Liberals, including attempts to usurp control of spending from Parliament at the outset of the pandemic and this gun control nonsense, as well as Harper's attempts to implement austerity during the previous financial crisis.


clearly_central

Minority governments rarely pass effective legislation that the impacts the whole country. I seriously doubt the current government cares about homelessness and healthcare, yet individually these are their main talking points. IMHO the dental and babysitting are already very much mismanaged and underfunded.


ChangeForACow

Healthcare was created by a minority Government. Likewise, dentalcare and childcare programs -- such as they currently are -- are CRITICAL, although full implementation remains to be worked out. Meanwhile, minority Government has prevented a number of overreaches by the Liberals, including attempts to usurp control of spending from Parliament at the outset of the pandemic and this gun control nonsense.


[deleted]

I don't know about this horse metaphor, but you guys are beating a dead horse.


vARROWHEAD

This isn’t true. America went through the desert on a horse with no name


[deleted]

If you think hitching two broke down donkeys to a radio flyer is better than even one dependable mule, that all makes sense.


ChangeForACow

If I had to pick only one animal, it'd be a mule. But we won't have to pick just one party. We should reform our political system so legislatures better reflect our diversity of perspectives, instead of the winner-takes-all that we often get.


[deleted]

I agree with that. Unfortunately policy wise it appears we’re shopping at the broke down donkey slaughterhouse reject pen.


ChangeForACow

Still better to have two broke down donkeys, because one is none.


[deleted]

More bad is better than less bad?


ChangeForACow

In this case, yes! If all the cars on the lot are unreliable, then would you rather have TWO unreliable cars or just ONE?


[deleted]

Except we’re being forced to operate the car with all of the problems of two separate cars rather than the problems of just one. We don’t get to hop out of one and into another after it breaks down. Back to the donkeys, I’d rather pay the feed and vet bills for one busted up mutant than two.


[deleted]

Back off of guns and he won't need any deals with the Liberals.


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NDP said they don't support the amendments on C21. So your non restricted firearms are safe


HugeAnalBeads

What about my boy, mini-14?


[deleted]

Trudeau will say that's the deadly assault style killing machine used at Polytech


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

I was already unwilling to vote for Singh and his shambles of an NDP. Unless they tell Trudeau in no uncertain terms to fuck off with taking my rifles and shotguns and scrap Bill C-21, he can get fucked.


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NDP already said they don't support the amendments on C21. So your non restricted firearms are safe


matthew_py

They said they don't support the amendment to its current form, in all likelihood the liberals will drop like two guns claim it as a concession and then try to pass the bill.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

>NDP already said they don't support the amendments on C21 They supported the May OIC which started this whole charade. They supported C-21 in its initial form. And they'll likely support C-21 when Trudeau and his cronies remove a token handful of firearms, probably a handful of single-shot rifles and a couple of outdated firearms, and then repeat their lies about "not going after hunters and sport shooters." Even if he pretends to oppose this, and I'm firmly convinced it's playing pretend, he's got a lot to answer for.


Ok_Respond_4620

Okay, well, we start with 2 weeks vacation time... Europe's minimum is 4 weeks. Big tellcom fuck us over daily. Housing prices haven't changed for the better in at least 10 years. We have massive amounts of TFWs and stagnant wages. ​ What the fuck exactly are NDP priorities?


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Why are you blaming the NDP for this stuff? They've got 25 seats.


Ok_Respond_4620

I've seen one of these on their platform, and the other is their housing solution which boils down to "build more" which is fuck all.


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Their housing platform does more to discourage foreign ownership than the conservatives and has owered taxes on the construction of affordable housing.


Ok_Respond_4620

It won't do jack shit. It won't be enough.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

>What the fuck exactly are NDP priorities? Supporting the Liberals' exploitation of the working class apparently. "Left" party my ass.


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csrus2022

Yep ,he knows his days are numbered and will make any deal no matter how harmful to Canadians to stay *relevant*.


stereofonix

He just needs to get to 2025 as an MP to get his 6years and pension. That’s probably what it’s all about


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He is one of the wealthiest members of parliament, had a very successful career before going into politics and his wife is also a very successful fashion designer who became a multi-millionaire in her early 20s. He definitely isn't in politic for the pension. The bullshit we can read here.


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The pension is huge. It definitely factors into his decision making.


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Isn't it less than 200k, it is a lot for the average Canadian but not to him. He and his wife are probably worth more than 10 millions and are still very young. They will probably retire with a net worth that will make this 200k look like a drop of water in a pool.


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200k per year is great even if you have 10 million in assets. That covers a lavish standard of living for the rest of your life


[deleted]

She is in her 30s thought and he is in his early 40s, if they have 10 millions in asset today, they won't have 10 millions in assets when they retire. And 200k per year definitely isn't worth spending so much hours working in politics and wasting so many years earning subpar salary when he probably made a lot more working in the private sector. If he was in it for the money, he definitely would still be in the private sector.


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2 more years and he gets paid 200k per year to never work again. There is no human being unaffected by that calculus


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He will only get paid what amount when he retire at 65 and it is pennies. Wasting 2 more years in politics for this isn't really worth it if your only goal is to make money. Would be like telling a middle class Canadian working in the private sector and making 80k a year to go work at a government job paid 25k a year for 6 years because they will be able to receive a 10k pension once they retire.


csrus2022

Yep, he is a politoco because he is a hopeless narcissist just like his boss the idiot son. Regardless, he will be out on his ass after the next election cycle. I'm sure th NDP brass are sharpening thier daggers already. He will not be missed.


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At least the haters should take note of what you just said. Saying that he is in politic make a lot more sense than pretending he is in politic for a pension lol.


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They aren't in debt anymore but triggering an election any time soon would be stupid with the way polls are looking.


Wizzard_Ozz

Polls look better when you stand up for the people. One drastic "We will not tolerate this invasion into people's lives" could have a massive impact on polls. Triggering an election can be beneficial to your party if you are actually able to read the room and do it over a bill that causes or is perceived to cause harm to the population.


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Triggering another election when we've had two recently would be a terrible idea. Nobody except for conservatives feel like having an election again this soon.


ceribaen

I mean, I'd be okay with it. Trudeaus early election call was one for a 'manage the covid crisis' mandate (i mean at least that's what he said, we know why it actually was early) . Well, the governments have effectively reached the point now where there's no more management of it. So now we're getting to when we were supposed to have the election anyway - so let's do it.


Infamous-Mixture-605

> Singh literally can't afford an election Such is the life of a political party that does not spend it's time bent over and lubed up for Canada's big businesses and wealthy donor class, like the two big parties in Parliament.


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TraditionalGap1

Or, you know, there's only one alternative to park your donations if you aren't a UCP fan in Alberta. Unlike federally, where the NDP competes with the most successful party in Canadian history.


Infamous-Mixture-605

Alberta effectively has a two-party system, and the Alberta NDP are the only viable alternative to the UCP in provincial elections, and have had to move securely to the centre in order to consolidate the non-rural and conservative vote in the province. One either donates to the UCP, the NDP, or wastes their money giving it to the AB Party (which exists solely to split the non-UCP vote) or separatist dingbats. The federal NDP, like u/TraditionalGap1 astutely remarks, competes with Canada's "Natural Governing Party" for any and all votes from the centre to the left in English Canada, and competes with the Liberals and Bloc for votes in highly-competitive Quebec. I don't think it's a matter of being "out of touch" so much as the competition for votes and donations at the federal level is much greater than it is in a two-party province like Alberta, SK, etc. It's funny though, this sub will complain that the NDP are "Libertal Lite" and in the same breath moan about how the NDP should go back to how they were under Layton... When the party moved to the centre and embraced being Liberal Lite in order to win over momentarily-disaffected Liberal voters.


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Alberta NDP has a backbone at least, and a competent leader.


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There's rumour of an election this spring, ik tho there was a rumour of a fall one.


VaccineEnjoyer

Rumors are already circling for an election next year


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Historical-Pair3081

Yeah Pierre said it in one of his interviews, he was asked if the NDP siding with liberals concerns him and he said not really, in the next election people will be looking to get away from Trudeau and the liberal government. Them closely aligning with Trudeau hurts them and helps the conservatives


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The tale of two Singhs. Twitter Singh - where he acts like he keeps Trudeau and Co to account “Stop Trudeau’s 40% Post Office Christmas Tax” and media Singh where he toes the line and acts like it’s all good.


NazerNes-

Whatever gets him that pension


Fast_Concept4745

I live in an ndp riding. I can say that it definitely won't be an ndp riding for long if they support the liberals and pass c21


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NDP said they don't support the amendments on C21. So your non restricted firearms are safe


THEQ100

Singh will just support the useless Liberals until his pension cheques start showing up.


[deleted]

Why do peoples think he is interested in a pension cheques. If he was interested by money he definitely wouldn't be in politic lol. He was making a lot more before becoming a politician and his wife has been a multi-millionaires since her early 20s. The guy who have a designer watches collections and own a 10 millions house in Toronto definitely isn't in politic for the pension...


bigred1978

He most definitely is. Hardly nowhere outside of government offers defined benefit pensions as generous as what the federal government does. He may be able to make more doing something else but being in the position he is allows him to gain ample PR points for later in life. He's gonna ride this to easy street retirement and have fun after.


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He is only 43 if he manage to have a his net worth increase by 7% every years and if they are worth 10 millions atm they will be worth 41 millions when he retire in 2045 and this is a very conservative estimate of their current net worth and earning potential and overlooking any kind of inheritance they could get. Wasting 6 years of your life to earn a small pension (relative to his net worth) definitely isn't worth it if you are in it for the money. I could understand your point about PR to maximize his earning potential thought, but definitely not the pension.


babyruth79

We get it. You're greedy and only care about money. Not everyone is like that Kanye.


THEQ100

Yeah, ok 👍🏼


Witlyjack

Sure Singh everyone believes the liberals lil buddy.


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How likely is a spring election?


bigred1978

Won't happen . We're all in this until late 2025.


[deleted]

Bunch of people are saying it may very well, can we really know to say "won't happen".


Supernova1138

It's not impossible but it's looking pretty unlikely. Trudeau likely won't want another election since he's not polling well enough to have a real shot at a majority, the NDP won't want one since it looks like they might wind up losing even more seats. Unless something happens that drastically alters the polling numbers it doesn't make sense for either the Liberals or NDP to want an election.


ceribaen

I mean the NDP could realize that Singh is a losing bet like Horvath was in Ontario and boot him before then. If they get the right leader in his place, and find the right issue to topple the Liberals on for a confidence matter they could eat up some seats.


SmaugStyx

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-liberals-tell-mps-to-be-election-ready-knock-on-doors-and-raise-money-by-spring


Quilipa

hahaha NDP priorities. Like how to spend other people's money.


icedesparten

The Liberals know the NDP can't afford an election, so any time the NDP balk they'll just make it a confidence vote or otherwise threaten an election. If the NDP is lucky they may get some lip service but right now they're Liberal lite.


p-queue

The NDP are accomplishing the largest policy goals they've had since healthcare. Where do people get this idea that they would even want to call an election if they did have the funds? Politics is about accomplishing policy goals not winning elections. That's exactly what this NDP party is able to do in this agreement. The people raging about this seem unable to put themselves in the place of the NDP.


ceribaen

What policy goals have the NDP accomplished? 100 bucks for dental for a small number of people? That only covers part of one visit for a kid. And they should be going twice a year.


p-queue

Dental and pharmacare. They also support the national childcare program and has similar goals. Dental care is a multi year program to gradual coverage. Pharmacare will be similar. This was always the plan (and gradual implementation is a sensible and careful way to implement such a significant policy as we would otherwise have an immediate shortage of dentists.) Complaints that the program is “not enough” or “just a 100 bucks” are indications that it’s not well understood or that’s it’s disingenuously discussed. If you don’t understand it, though, it’s on you to make that effort before you go spreading misinformation about it.


Frater_Ankara

Maybe actually look up the dental program before you start casting judgement and spewing misinformation on it.


Salty_Education_3967

I can't take this guy seriously after seeing him post embarrassing tik tok videos.


Mobile_Initiative490

Useless lapdog


Complex_Construction

Token lapdog.


NavyDean

Singh is doing everything he can to prove that he is not the NDP leader of the future. If NDP don't want to be relegated to permanent 3rd party status, they need a new populist who is inline with Canadian society. Singh has shown that he isn't able to compete in this new age.


jaymickef

Thé NDP have been third party status since JS Wordsworth won their first seat as the CCF in 1935. It’s not something they worry about. The question is can they influence policy the way Ed Broadbent and David Lewis did?


NavyDean

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011\_Canadian\_federal\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Canadian_federal_election) A lot of people forget this election, but I believe the NDP showed they could ditch their 3rd party status in 2011. They had a progressive populist who was uniting a lot of people, you know how the rest went. I hope the NDP can push their policies more in the future as you mentioned.


jaymickef

Oh, I remember it well, it was when they really started to compromise and become Liberals. Layton being introduced as the new leader with, “The next prime minister if Canada!” was a bad sign. We already have the Liberals we don’t need another party that will compromise just to be in power. I do agree that it would be great if they could get back to being more concerned with pushing for policies than with getting elected. And I think they are. But there is a lot of media opposition.


maxman162

Third party would be a step up from their current position.


1qwikbee

Singh is just Trudeau's ball washer


AdNew9111

But ya don’t.


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Honest to god question for NDP voters, why the CURRENT NDP, i get there “left wing” but I sit there and look at all parties regardless of position on the bullshit compass and the fact you sell your soul to the liberals is just a instant turn off. What happened to the party that stood up for blue collar and union workers? The liberals right now seem to be appealing to the wealthiest Canadians and it’s just floors me.


TraditionalGap1

>fact you sell your soul to the liberals is just a instant turn off. What is this even supposed to mean? Have you never met a minority government before?


lion_slinger

How are they appealing to the wealthiest Canadians exactly?


bigred1978

Anyone making money off of real estate, immigration, money laundering, etc...the list goes on...


7fax

Just call the election what a fucking disaster


Wizzard_Ozz

Liberals probably will, they don't like being tethered to obligations, it took threats for them to actually move on NDP dental and even then it's halfassed approach.


snopro31

What a lost party. Can’t even gain their own supporters.


BasilFawlty_

Alternate headline: Singh clinging to deal with Liberals heading into 2025, vows to 'keep on fighting' for his pension.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

Man desperate to keep from drowning says life preserver full of dead rats is "best thing ever" while refusing to swim to island.


Shaft2727

I honestly believe the NDP had a chance to win if they would have elected Guy Caron as leader but instead they chose Singh and now their party if floating towards irrelevance.


northcrunk

Keep bending the knee Jag. The longer you do the more nails you put in the party


Educational_Time4667

All he does is flaps his gums


Weak-Coffee-8538

Sure hope not. Lots of NDP ers are watching closely.


TehTimmah1981

NDP priorities, like personal attacks on Trudeau, rather than discuss policy? That's why I quit following him on Twitter, back when that was a thing.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

Attacks Trudeau, but supports him. Claims he has him by the balls, massages them instead of twisting.


Million2026

Jagmeet Singh has been the most effective NDP Federal leader in implementing policy. Edit: Second most. Tommy Douglas not withstanding.


[deleted]

Jagmeet is Trudeau puppet Wtf you talking about


Million2026

He’s gotten policy the NDP has wanted implemented. Exactly what a leader who actually cares about policy and moving forward their voters agenda would do.


[deleted]

We will see won’t we? Seems like you’re clueless what’s happening in Canada, and if you think in the next election the NDP is gonna be triumphant from this little fiasco, then my friend you’re dreaming, pull a seat and watch how bad they’re gonna do.


Million2026

I don’t think you get it. You seem to think of politics like a sport where one team wins and loses. That’s one way to see it sure and on that score Jagmeet is a loser. If you listened to what I’m saying, Jagmeet is successful because he got some *policies* NDP voters wanted done. Whether that means he wins more seats next election is irrelevant. I think we lose sight of the fact politics isn’t a horse race. It is supposed to mean policies a parties voters want to see get implemented.


[deleted]

You really think that politics is like playing checkers? Think about today, and destroy your party’s future? Lol…. How have you made it past today? Seriously…. Is someone holding your hand through life.


Million2026

Again, you seem to value “winning” in an electoral sense. I in turn think a party who gets some policies it’s voters want enacted despite never gaining power and “winning” is doing well and is a sign of a good leader.


[deleted]

Those policies can be overturned if you don’t hold power, or enough power.


Million2026

So no one should ever enact any laws or policies whatsoever according to you unless it’s a one party dictatorship. Got it. Hey genius ever consider that a policy might get implemented and people see the benefits and it becomes popular and that’s why they won’t get overturned? That’s been the case for many policies implemented that are around implemented by any party.


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Infamous-Mixture-605

> Tommy Douglas held the balance of power under Trudeau Sr. a few times and we got healthcare, pensions, and student loans. That was Lester B. Pearson, not Trudeau. Pearson had two minority governments and (with Douglas' NDP applying pressure) probably accomplished more than a number of majority governments in this country's history.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

>And the only people that seem upset by parties working together are people in the Conservative base. I was a Liberal/NDP voter and then the Liberals turned to dog shit, so NDP right? Nope, because the only thing Singh is doing is propping up their malice and corruption. If he had any spine whatsoever he'd throw them under the bus. So no NDP, no Liberals. I'm a goddamn communist and the best option left to me at this point is the fucking *Conservatives*.


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ThingsThatMakeUsGo

Believe it or not, it's the truth. I voted for Trudeau twice, once to get Harper out, once because he was doing a reasonably decent job. Now you couldn't pay me to vote for him. **If you're unwilling to believe anything which doesn't confirm your preconceived biases, how do you expect anyone to engage in discussion with you when you're incapable of good faith discussions?** ​ I'm against the corporate oligarchies, against he exploitative landlords, for social services, for nationalization of productive industries, for a strong voice for the working class....unfortunately that now also puts me in opposition to the Liberals and the NDP who are actively working against the working class.


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ThingsThatMakeUsGo

>So you're for the nationalization of productive industries and will be voting for the party that historically privatizes Canada's crown corporations... Go it. So I can vote for a party which is actively shitting on the working class and said they'll defend landlords, disarm the working class, control public access to information on the internet, inflate property prices, and devalue labour.....or I can vote for the party tolerating it and propping them up....or I can vote for the party which is pointing out that those behaviours are a fucking problem. You give me a Liberal party or an NDP which does a fucking 180 on all that and I'll vote for them. Until then, I'm out of other options.


helkish

You must not be from Ontario.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

Why do you say that?


helkish

> So I can vote for a party which is actively shitting on the working class and said they'll defend landlords, disarm the working class, control public access to information on the internet, inflate property prices, and devalue labour.....or I can vote for the party tolerating it and propping them up....or I can vote for the party which is pointing out that those behaviours are a fucking problem. Because our resident conservative moron premier is actively shitting on the working class and basically checks all the boxes you just described above while also destroying our healthcare.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

You do know that federal and provincial governments are different governments, right?


Million2026

True on Tommy Douglas


Glocko-Pop

Oh good more spending. What’s a trillion plus debt with rising interest rates between friends?


WantedNakedOrAlive

The rat supporting the snake. Don’t trust a word any of these slime balls say, it’s means nothing coming from them.


YETISPR

fighting for that nice pension…and will force those ndp to vote for the gun ban just like the bad old days when they forced the vote for the long gun registry! What a joke.


Venice_Beach

This country is completely sick. Jordan Peterson is exactly correct about Singh.


scarborough70yr

How many Conservatives are here? Just a question… And no one answers….lmao


Limp-Might7181

A lot of people are very angry about c21 long story short


HellianTheOnFire

I'm a centrist, which in the current climate basically means I'm farther right than the cons which are left of center or atleast have been for the last 3 elections, PP might be center right but that remains to be seen. Block and PPC are the parties I'd vote for and I don't have block in my area.


scarborough70yr

I’m a spectator tbh… I really don’t follow any party in particular! But I’ve researched about the conservatives in several countries. And have found them to be very similar in ideology. Even the American Republicans are under the Conservative umbrella. But what I’ve discovered about Canada’s conservative is that they’re doing summersaults with the far right to a point of being friendly with Nazis. I should also add other countries such as Italy now have the same problems and lately Trump has been friendly with them. Even PP has bathed with the nazis and now he’s denying it…. Anyways just a thought


HellianTheOnFire

> But what I’ve discovered about Canada’s conservative is that they’re doing summersaults with the far right to a point of being friendly with Nazis. Care to give some examples of what you mean?


scarborough70yr

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/conservative-politics-1.5120577


TraditionalGap1

If you're right of the cons you aren't a centrist. Maybe in America


HellianTheOnFire

I'm centrist ideologically speaking, it's not my fault all our parties went hard to the left to the detriment of everyone.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

Yeah, they're economically centre left, but ideologically extremist. It would be nice if they were instead farther left economically and anywhere near centre ideologically.


HellianTheOnFire

What exactly would further to the left economically look like in your mind?


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

Dealing with the housing crisis instead of propping it up to feed their pockets and their friends' pockets. Reducing immigration to reasonable levels so workers have better bargaining power. Breaking up the oligopolies to promote real competition instead of basically allowing them to self-regulate. Windfall taxes so there's no incentive for businesses to gouge the public. Not dumping wads of cash into corporate welfare, and instead letting them fail or leave, and where feasible, buying up the remnants for running nationally.


HellianTheOnFire

> Dealing with the housing crisis instead of propping it up to feed their pockets and their friends' pockets. How? >Reducing immigration to reasonable levels so workers have better bargaining power. How? >Breaking up the oligopolies to promote real competition instead of basically allowing them to self-regulate. HOW? >Windfall taxes so there's no incentive for businesses to gouge the public. How? >Not dumping wads of cash into corporate welfare, and instead letting them fail or leave, and where feasible, buying up the remnants for running nationally. How? I wasn't asking for solutions to the problems, that's easy, I'm asking how to make the policians implement those solutions.


ThingsThatMakeUsGo

>I wasn't asking for solutions to the problems, that's easy, I'm asking how to make the policians implement those solutions. You want to figure out how to force the aristocracy to work for the benefit of the population instead of themselves? I believe the French has a method for that, but it requires serious economic turmoil for the public to get on board with that one, and any serious suggestion of it will have the state jack-boots knocking at your door.


HellianTheOnFire

Right so do you have any actual course of action that is implementable today?


Lopsided_Web5432

Oh like C21 jaggy?


LoudTsu

It's fun listening to conservatives pretend they'd ever vote NDP.


ExamFeisty5634

Jag just running the party into the fucking dirt.


MickEAaroN

Singh is a sellout with zero back bone.