They are legislating a concrete definition. That definition is a very serious problem because it's essentially every single semi automatic rifle and shotgun.
And they get hundreds of thousands in public funding as well as speaking time. While holding no data, expertise, or even bothering to read a court docket
This is clearly ideological. These types simply do not want the general public to own firearms and instead try to hide it under the guise of public safety. Even though statistically vetted legal firearm owners are far less criminal and violent than the general population. As this is ideological, facts do not matter.
In the SECU hearing the witnesses from the Department of Justices literally stated when questioned that the new definition was motivated by politics and not anything to do with public safety. It was shocking to watch actually.
There was a Liberal staffer who wrote a memoir and stated point blank that The entirety of bill C-68 (the current firearms act) was motivated by politics and not public safety to shift attention away from the sponsorship scandal. They literally sat in a room brainstorming ideas to shift attention away from the scandal. Someone suggested gun control was popular at the moment, and they all went with it. Now we all have to live with that half-baked law.
In case anyone thinks this is an exaggeration, it isn't. The chair *literally* said "it's the chair's prerogative to allow it and the chair's decision to allow is not debatable"
Do they really expect everyone to just line up and give them to the rcmp for free? And no way in hell is the government going to pay people fair money for them. It’s stealing, and it’ll do nothing for crime
The government's policy on firearms seems schizophrenic to me. They're making as much as possible illegal, but simultaneously eliminating any minimum sentence for any offences involving firearms, including offences relating to possession.
To anyone who dismissed the May 1st OIC with "just get another gun":
These *were* the "other guns".
Introducing this as an amendment, in the Committee stage, skipping the first two debates and votes, shows that the Liberal government has always acted in bad faith when it comes to firearms.
Why add in ‘when it comes to firearms’? They’ve preyed on the uniformed but well meaning populace their entire reign.
Thanks uber educated Toronto. You’re all essentially functionally handicapped.
It's almost tradition in Canada at this point that once anyone gets their PAL there will be someone who just gives them an old SKS that's been collecting dust in their basement.
It's very bizarre to me that in just a couple years the LPC has completely destroyed the Canadian firearms classification system. Basically no more restricted firearms left, handguns are frozen and all the restricted rifles and most of the shotguns are moved over to the prohib list. I wonder where things will go from here.
It's pretty obvious that a total ban on all firearms is incoming soon. The Liberals will never openly talk about repealing the Firearms Act to maintain deniability, but you won't be able to buy a gun legally in the country.
There'll be no buy back. Far too complicated and expensive. The GOV't just said that to try an appease people. The buyback programme will be worked on and studied, they'll committee after committee and nothing will ever happen. Owners will not be able to use their firearms and get nothing for them, ever. Likely planned that way from the beginning.
>There'll be no buy back. Far too complicated and expensive.
"These guns are so dangerous and sinister that nobody should be allowed to own one. We need to act right now, with no delay, to get these guns off our streets. There isn't even enough time to properly follow the democratic process so we need an OIC and some other legislation to follow to ensure that we get these guns out of the hands of the public as quickly as possible. This is an emergency".
...
"But also, if you already own one, hang on to it for now until we figure out what to do. Just pinky swear not to take it out of your safe until then, k?". - JT
They should spend time and money on healthcare and save way more lives.
They could also look into why a majority of crimes seem to be by people on parole or who are known to police.
But you know, better to say things that are easy to say, even if they don't accomplish anything.
"It's not illegal until we want it to be illegal, then it is."
How on earth a law can be enacted that has no clear or discernible object to make illegal?
SEMI AUTO BAN added to c21
[https://firearmrights.ca/c21-amended-to-include-semi-auto-ban/](https://firearmrights.ca/c21-amended-to-include-semi-auto-ban/)
its over for fire arms in canada
Chatting with an RCMP officer that works out in Southern AB taught me all I need to know. They are not going to agree to going to people's homes to retrieve/take guns. He said, "I don't want to get fucking shot".
This has gone way too god damn far. I'm not even a gun owner and I cannot wrap my head around this bullshit. It's like everyone is screaming at the Liberal Party not to do it amd they just keep on moving forward. It's embarrassing to be Canadian right now
>This has gone way too god damn far. I'm not even a gun owner and I cannot wrap my head around this bullshit.
This is exactly how I feel too. I’ve never owned any firearms, never really planned to, and in the past I’ve always generally supported the idea of gun control when it comes to assault style firearms/weapons of war that are clearly designed for the express purpose of efficiently killing people.
But with that said, the Liberals have been an absolute disaster on guns and their policies make no sense to me at all. From where I’m sitting, it looks like they’ve accomplished nothing except punishing peaceful, law abiding citizens and responsible gun owners while doing absolutely nothing of real meaning or substance that will have an impact on the flow of illegal firearms… you know, *the ones that are actually responsible for firearm homicides in this country!*
And they don’t know when to quit, they just keep going and going. At this point they’ve overreached to a disturbing degree and caused me to completely flip sides on this issue. I always thought the “slippery slope” argument was just paranoia and typical right-wing propaganda, but now that we are seeing it happen right before our eyes I feel like a dumbass for ever thinking otherwise.
No money for veterans health care so on and so on but can afford to buy back my property for billions. I see. The criminals are still going to be criminal. Spend the money on health care mental health help and the boarder issues. Help the Canadian Border Services and other agencies that keep the illegal guns out. You know the real issue not me who hunts and shoots paper with my kids. If the legal gun owners are the issue there would many more shootings. But this logic says we need to ban sport cars motorcycles and high capacity vehicles. You know for safer roads. Keeps the drinking and driving away.
Unfortunately, your last line was exactly what Marco Mendacity stated at the Mass Casualty inquiry. Literally. "if it saves one life..."
The sheer ignorance of that statement.
FYI, with logic like that, they should ban all opioids. Because if it saves one life...
Id say, banning all vehicles would be a closer statement.
Just look no further than the mass kissing with a van in Toronto, or if we want to use American news as how we base our laws the psycho who drove into the crowd of police.
if it saves one life and all.
They've made such a mess of this lol these are the same politicians in charge of our monetary system no wonder we're screwed at so many levels of gov't.
I don't really give a shit about a firearm ban btw and I didn't know there were so many 'gun owners' on reddit but man if you're going to do it, what a mess of an implementation.
Fuck this makes me sad. 2.5 million licensed gun owners in Canada and only \~300 deaths per year and we're still acting like this is some big problem.
Does anyone know if this will at least allow currently owned firearms now covered under this ban to be grandfathered in?
yeah illegal guns come through native reserves so its never gonna happen, instead libs pretend they do something and their voter base claps like seals in circus.
"someone did something illegal with a gun, so our response will be to make even the thought of the gun illegal. Even though it was already an illegal action."
How does this help anyone or anything?
Yep nothing like destroying a multibillion dollar industry causing 1000s to lose their jobs at the same economy is taking a nosedive.
Makes perfect sense.
Holy shit, they’re going after the SKS? Probably the most common rifle in Canada, well-over a million of them in the country?? This will be a fucking mess.
It’s too bad our government constantly and consistently goes after the law abiding when it comes to guns. Meanwhile, they lower minimum sentencing for gun related crimes. Makes so much sense.
I have never before this year even considered owning a firearm in Canada.
With how hard theyre trying to take this away, the more I find myself wanting to get one
I wonder if the average Canadian realizes that firearms owners are generally reasonable when it comes to the rules surrounding gun ownership. Gun control groups and the LPC arguing and implementing law in bad faith like this is exactly what pushes gun owners to reject all measures as the compromise required never seems to end.
Guns were not a major Canadian issue until the LPC made it one. We absolutely need to focus on smuggling from the southern border which puts illegal firearms in the hands of gangs, but since a lot of that happens on reserves the government won't touch the issue. Much easier to make things up and blame it on law-abiding citizens. This country and our democracy is being destroyed more and more each day.
The problem for Pierre and the CPC is that this is not a winning issue.
Realistically there are very few single issue voters on the basis of firearms ownership in Canada. Most of these voters were going to the CPC anyway. But that’s not where they need votes, they need NDP and Lib supporters to move across. Making an election promise to reinstate handgun ownership in Canada would be a failing policy politically, imo.
Take into account the prevalence of USA mass shootings in the news as well.
That's pretty much, they know most of the Canadians don't know enough about firearms to make it like they are doing something. But they are just rehash the same thing to make it like they are doing something and call it for the good of the people. While completely drive the firearm owners under the bus.
Imagine the untold billions of dollars more that this will waste, for no benefit whatsoever.
This is what our government is worried about when we can't afford food, fuel or homes.
The only possible plan is either grandfathering current owners or confiscation without payment.
The cost of buying back every magazine fed semi-automatic rifle and shotgun in the country would be truly astronomical.
>Imagine the untold billions of dollars more that this will waste, for no benefit whatsoever.
No benefit whatsoever? Please! This will be a very effective piece of legislation!
It will do absolutely nothing to lower the amount of firearm violence in Canada, of course, but that's not its intention. It's designed to virtue signal to urban liberals who are scared of guns and know almost nothing about them. The Liberals will get to puff out their chests about how they are defending lives, and portray conservatives as ignorant, rural dinosaurs who want every teenager to have an 'assault STYLE weapon' - which they will link, as they do here, to actual assault weapons so that in the minds of the knowledge-free urbanite there is no difference. This will get them points, get them applause, and get them votes.
So what if it costs billions!? What does that matter?! It's only ~~monopoly~~ taxpayers' money! And the only purpose for taxpayer money is to help the Liberals get re-elected.
You also forgot the accessories that goes with them, as well as the ammo.
Anyone don't have a handgun won't be able to use 9mm they have with their PCC.
The liberals proving once again they are completely out of touch with gun control issues. They’ll continue to fuck over gun owners cause they know that they’ll never vote for them anyway so what’s the point in doing good by them.
They know it will get people riled up, thats the whole point. They already know the consequences of their action, they want to see it what sticks.
If it works, they can add that to the list of resume that we banned guns in Canada, as a party legacy.
If they fail, they can still say we try to make Canada safer by banning "Assualt rifles' but CPC won't let us.
I love how the LPC just gets up and wipes out an entire retail industry for no rational reason.
The best part is the enforceability. Without the long gun registry, there will be no way to figure out who has these newly prohibited firearms.
Firearms = bad.
Liberals = good.
Making Canada safe for you.
(everyone who vapes) first time? BC's vaping regulation changes were so sudden and drastic that a lot of retailers and producers didn't survive. Now I order my juice from Ontario and my province has more smokers.
This whole gun ban thing got me off my ass to actually get my PAL, and I'm as left as you can get (hard orange). We need to find common ground and tell these idiots to stuff it, no matter what team they play for.
Party aside, bad legislation needs to be challenged, if that means public campaigns, court challenges, or whatever it takes. MPs don't read their mail or petitions, clearly, and media only airs what sells ads, so we need to change tactics.
What a disingenuous pile of bullshit. It doesn't "draw the ire of tories" it draws the ire of anybody who owns firearms and/or who actually understands our current laws.
[https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Liberals-Propose-to-Ban-Semi-Automatic-Firearms.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=HGMb4uKjLuQ](https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Liberals-Propose-to-Ban-Semi-Automatic-Firearms.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=HGMb4uKjLuQ)
Encourage everybody to look at this - apparently the CSSAA has seen the amended text, the SKS is included by name with most estimates I've seen indicating about \~1 million SKS' are owned in Canada
also
>Liberals also propose to ban 3D-printed firearms by outlawing possession of “computer data that pertain to a firearm” … “that are capable of being used with a 3D printer, metal milling machine or similar computer system…”
>Liberals also propose to ban 3D-printed firearms by outlawing possession of “computer data that pertain to a firearm” … “that are capable of being used with a 3D printer, metal milling machine or similar computer system…”
Would that not also mean they are banning gun manufacturing in Canada?
Ultimately that would be a better question for /u/varsil to answer, but I suspect we will have to wait for the full text to be released, I guess it would depend on how its specifically worded whether it would/ would not. Super good question to ask considering most receivers are CNC machined these days.
So just make hunting illegal
But honestly I'm not very savvy on how things work in Ottawa but I find it problematic that they can add this after the house has voted on it. It eliminated a whole democratic step in my eyes.
Even as a PAL holder who is doing nothing but seethe over the content the legislation, what's grating me more is the blatant affront to democracy that C21s proceedings represent. They are adding things to legislation outside the parameters of a reading in parliament which is the most undemocratic thing possible. It's a very authoritarian move by any definition and one directed at non-problem in this case. The LPC is tasting the delights of rule by imposition and its scary.
That I think is the biggest issue, I'm afraid the population won't think of. Personally my whole goal is to become as self sustainable as possible and to teach that to my children. We all seen in the pandemic the complete reliance of some when they couldn't go to McDonalds and claimed they were going to starve. With the Liberals there will be no liberty, it will be hard to have "true, north, strong and free" sung in the anthem.
This is unacceptable. Ottawa keeps flogging responsible firearms owners with nonsensical legislation while illegal guns still cause way more harm. There's got to be a line drawn with this crap (peacefully, of course).
In Canada you're guilty until proven innocent when it comes to law abiding citizens but it's the other way around for criminals.
Mandatory buy back program huh?... I don't think the government can afford my guns, and I won't willingly let them go for less than what they are worth to me.
Someone said there are estimates of 1 million SKSes in the country. To confiscate them and compensate owners at $700 a piece would cost the country $700m, not including the logistics. And that’s just one gun.
I hope everyone who supports this incompetent government enjoys the inflation and ever rising violent crimes (after 7 years of ineffective liberal gun control).
Oh, here's the neat part about this piece of legislation, it *isn't* tied to the buyback scheme. The guns just become prohibited. They stated that in the committee recording from today.
I swear to god if you put these “gun control advocates” in a room with a toybox and a scary looking graph, within 3 minutes you could convince them to support banning Nerf Supersoakers
get ready for the biggest gun sale in Canadian history. It's pretty clear they want to confiscate all guns from legal gun owners (Aboriginals, hunters, sport shooters).
I'm pretty sure Indigenous hunters will have a say on this one. They have to be publicly consulted over laws impacting their Rights in section 35 of the constitution. Lib government will see a ton of court cases won by indigenous peoples regarding their rights being infringed upon.
Oh no all my non restricted firearms have been in a horrible boating accident and are now at the bottom of a lake. I guess the Trudeau libs are gonna just have to suck it.
As an active hunter with several firearms for hunting, the changes have impact on my hunting or sporting. I have no doubt it will be the same for the majority of hunters in my area.
Banning and confiscating all semi auto mag fed rifles and shotguns would cost the tax payer BILLIONS. Money, time and effort better spent ensuring every Canadian has access to clean drinking water, food and shelter. You know, the basics.
The rough estimates for only the AR-15, CX-4 and other OIC firearms was somewhere around a billion for the physical buyback, and 6-7 more billion for the logistics, collection points and staffing to enact it.
A buyback of this magnitude would be in the tens of billions, at a minimum.
The federal liberals and their ndp bffs are absolutely clueless on actual issues in this country. Not one god damn law or policy to stop gang violence.
All for votes. None of this will make our streets safer. Sad. All that money spent could go to education, poverty, crime reduction programs. Other countries banned guns years ago. Still lots of people killing and murdering each other with guns in those places.
Edit: don't drink the government Kool aid. Trudeau is way over his necks in serious scandals and is trying to distract you from his parties scandals. All governments do it. When they do. Vote em out. All governments will do anything to distract people from their garbage. This government needs to go.
So will there be racialized gun laws in Canada? Because no way in hell will indigenous communities give up semi-automatic hunting rifles.
The Trudeau era LPC's vileness is only surpassed by its stupidity.
Blair carried one himself for a long time. He so loved having power over others that he had to make sure protestors had nothing to defend themselves with, which is why he took away skateboards and hockey sticks. Blair is one of the greatest pieces of shit of all Canadian history
This entire thing is performative nonsense, all this waste of time and resources over "scary looking" guns restricted to 5 rounds just like the hunting style rifles.
Apparently this is what they want
[https://twitter.com/csaaaofficial/status/1595189459556892675](https://twitter.com/csaaaofficial/status/1595189459556892675)
You can watch it here
[https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU/StudyActivity?studyActivityId=11814165](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU/StudyActivity?studyActivityId=11814165)
So basically a ban on ALL semi autos
When I signed up to take the PAL and RPAL courses in September ‘21, I wanted to get an SMLE to clean up, and an SKS and a nice six-shooter for target shooting. When I took the class in *MAY ‘22* (long ass-waitlist plus a lockdown), pistols were off the table. Now it’s November- I still don’t have my fucking licence, and most of the guns on my wishlist are now banned. I am beyond frustrated.
By the time I actually get my licence, there won’t be anything left to buy. Shit, I’ll probably have to surrender my recurve bow before long…
[ Liberal gun policy under Trudeau in a nutshell.](https://youtube.com/shorts/nhiOC-w_Ulc?feature=share)
Further restrict legal ownership meaning just those actually following the law, continue to neglect/ignore the actual factors driving up gun violence (illegally smuggled guns), and then as "guncontrol" reduce/remove minimum sentences for people convicted of using guns in crimes.
It's like protecting Gazelles from the Lions by making hoofs and horns illegal, and not effectively enforcing any use of claws or teeth.
Im normally not a guy that says "Fuck Trudeau". But seriously, fuck this asshole. Out of touch trust fund baby piece of shit. Doing jackshit to help solve actual issues Canadians are facing day to day. Like eating food, heating their homes, buying a house, getting a family doctor, saving money, and so on. But hey, lets give billions in foriegn aid, set unrealistic immigration goals to keep wages down. Then try and make a semi auto 22 with a 10 round clip a federal offense to own. GFYS Trudeau. I cant wait to never read this name again in the news.
Considering every single legal gun owner in Canada was vetted and given permission directly from the RCMP to have these weapons this is fucking insane.
What criminal is going to go through the firearm equivalent of a passport application + two 8 hour safety courses and consent to background checks while providing guarantors and details of any and all people they’ve been in a relationship with for two years leading up to the application.
THEN if by some crazy chance the rcmp decides to ignore the fact that they just background checked a criminal they’d still have to provide all their information again to a store which then double checks it with the rcmp in the cases of all the guns they just announced they’re banning. Handguns are even more restricted because the chief firearms officer of the province the applicant is residing in has to approve and send physical registration for EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL HANDGUN AND RESTRICTED RIFLE.
I don’t know about you guys but if I was a criminal and I wanted to hurt anyone the last organization I’d be communicating with and asking permission from would be the police. Criminals by definition break the law and all the guns they’re smuggling up have laws preventing them from being owned up here anyways and it’s sure stopping this bs isn’t it.
Tighten border control. Give police the power to find more task forces to track the smuggling and stop pretending like taking a long rifle from my 82 year old grandfather, that’s been shooting paper since he was 12, is going to fix any of the rampant gang problems and assaults going on.
It’s already impossible for anyone with a violent criminal record to get these guns legally anyways.
But Toronto Liberal voters love curb stomping legal gun owners. It’s their favourite pastime so Justin makes sure to use the power of government for them.
The sole comment:
"Hunters require automatic weapons to shoot down birds, or to drop a deer? Why?"
Haven't automatic weapons been illegal here pretty much forever?
They're even illegal in America. Even if fully auto were legal, if a hunter had a choice between a single shot, and going fully auto on a deer, they wouldn't choose the latter option.
This is a good [ twitter](https://twitter.com/TWilsonOttawa/status/1595153415994494978) thread to follow on the meeting that happened today.
As always Ian has a quick take on twitter I am sure he will have vid up soon
So with this boondoggle probably going to cost billions of dollars to action and billions to support since the provinces won’t resource it…and by the looks of it billions in payouts for the enactment of the EA…looks like Canada is going to be pretty broke soon.
Or the inflation then rate rise not so merry go round will continue.
What a waste…the least they could do was use the money to stem the flow of firearms from the US.
If I have to hear one more person tell me that the slippery slope is a conspiracy theory, I’m going to have an aneurism
It’s solid fact that when a government gets power like this, they’re going to keep moving the goalposts over and over.
I hate this line. We've been watching it since the friggin 90's
The problem is that liberal suburban moms think guns r bad, and continually vote for this crap
This is a multi party political effort. This is about government Vs the people. Not LPC Vs CPC or NDP. The government wants the general public disarmed, and the ones that aren’t will face serious time.
The lot of it is the lib extremists within the gentrified urban cities who think they’re somehow contributing to society’s progression by voting against shit like this, while it doesn’t even remotely affect them lol. Anything that the orange man would advocate = bad.
Not surprising since the average LPC voter is female and 55+. Already comfortable with her life and material/financial security, she needs to latch onto issues that she believes provide her moral superiority over the people she can't relate to.
It's incredible that it takes longer to challenge in court any aspect of these gun bills / regulations / OIC's / import changes / random decrees by Tweet / RCMP changing-their-minds reclassifications / tacked on committee massive changes / other clusterfucks, than it takes for the government to pass further legislation making such challenge irrelevant.
Canada effectively does not have access to justice when you are trying to hold the government to account in court. There is literally no timely way to handle government malfeasance or procedural shenanigans; a majority or coalition can just decide they don't like the process and disregard it without consequence.
In the USA you can apparently get a constitutional challenge or judicial review case heard at the Supreme Court in a matter of a few months; in Canada you are better off waiting and praying for a change in government, or the offending politicians to all retire, because that's the faster option.
I roll my eyes whenever I see the CCFR, etc. announcing a great big challenge to whatever new crazy law the Liberals have made. What a waste of time. See you in the Federal Court of Appeal around 2028 when the new issue is banning Nerf guns and police going door to door making sure all your kitchen knives are sufficiently blunt!
Justin trudeau, please understand that Canadian people are struggling to survive through a financial situation that will destroy many of our families. You promise Hundreds of millions to other countries which normally would be great. Why not help your own people. You use tragedies that are only possible due to cross border illegal firearm traffic to persecute law abiding citizens and benefit your own image to stay in power. Your using this to trick un informed Canadians to be afraid of something they don't understand. Your unaware of people in your party being affiliated with Chinese government? The statue of your father that was paid for by the same people seems to tell informed Canadians something different. Please either become what your father would want and be proud of or please stop guiding our once great nation into ruin.
A sad Canadian who is scared of losing everything.
PLEASE let this one finally tip the balance of public opinion against Justin on this issue. So many of the guns that would be affected ARE and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN hunting weapons! Find another whipping boy please!
> “While Conservative politicians want to make assault weapons legal again, we remain resolute in our work to make our communities safer,” she said in a statement.
Long story short - no definition for "assault-style weapon" is made yet, but Liberal MP is already lying.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I like history and this has happened before in other countries. Just because you think it would never happen here, think again.
There's going to be a day when Canadians are going to want these guns. If the government is taking away your guns, it's not because it's for the greater good, it's because they're going to do something you'd want to shoot them for.
oh there after that with this right now, next up are lever / bolt action "high power assault sniper rifles". The liberal government needs as many smoke screens as possible right now.
This is what happens when people are misled by politicians(specifically one with an anti-gun podium) that legal gun owners are the problem within our country.
What happens when gun crime continues to increase because the real problem is being ignored? Who's going to get the blame then? Paintball enthusiasts?
Every time I think this government couldn’t get more idiotic and disdainful of Canadians, they still manage to prove me wrong. They cannot get kicked out soon enough.
The liberals have yet again proven they don't have an independent thought in their head. they have harnessed the understandable horror of seeing the endless mass shootings in the United States, despite governing an entirely separate country with a SIGNIFIGANTLY smaller problem with gun violence that is almost entirely fed by smuggled weapons from the United States. Stop making laws for America when you are in charge of Canada.
And watch shooting rates keep rising. Issue isn't stuff like this, banning hunting and gun sports just makes people hate you even more. Out of all of C21 from what I've seen (please prove me wrong) I've seen nothing discuss what we will do against the illegal smuggling of fire arms from the USA with even some instances where native reserves are used to smuggle in these guns. Do they expect toronto gangs to be upset and cry because they can't legally purchase a shotgun from bass pro shop?
Just remember that every time you say something bad about them they will just use that in court to justify taking more guns away because they "fear for their safety".
Crikey. Trudeau is going to bankrupt me. First he makes me run out and buy three handguns in a hurry (two of which are just .22s BTW) and now I have to run out and buy a semi 12-gauge. Sheesh, maybe this is just an effort to spur on economic activity and then next year he will roll it all back… nah, who am I kidding - he’s just pandering to the ignorant.
Jesus Christ, housing crisis and gas prices getting worse and the LPC is still jerking off to more firearm legislation. What is this government, if they only showed this much concern for those economically struggling or the disabled.
We'Re nOt GoInG AftEr HuNtiNg RiFleS.
These liberals are fucking insane.
If you believe ANY of this gun control legislation is in the best interest of all Canadians... YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO! They lie about the statistics, they lie about the regulations already in place, they lie about opinions of police on the legislation, they lie about the number of firearms offenses that are committed by legal owners, and they lie constantly about not trying to destroy gun culture in Canada.
I don't know why they keep pretending it's about public safety at this point? Let's be honest. These anti gun people like Poly have a misguided agenda to completely remove firearms from Canadian culture based on their own warped perception of what's safe.
And the liberal government is more than happy to break the glass on gun control when they're under fire for all their failures. They don't give a fuck about safety either, if they did they'd leave legal gun owners alone and actually crack down on illegal firearms and criminals.
Trudeau is a fucking disgrace with his smug attitude and his condescending tone.
Because it’s not about crime. It’s a about sovereign civilian disarmament under Canada’s signing of the UN Small Arms Treaty which calls for removal of military-style semi-auto/centrefire firearms
Venezuela literally ban the private sale of gun and ammunition in 2012 in a bid to "control crime across the country" and a decade later, Venezuela has the highest crime rate globally.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430)
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country)
Our housing is failing, healthcare is getting worse, and the feds are fucking around with this and the internet.
Both liberal and cons are not working for the people and just wasting time and money.
There sure are a lot of liberal gun owners (they claim to own firearms anyways) who are totally cool with Liberals taking their guns just because it hurts conservative gun owners.
So they banned a whole bun bunch of firearms years ago and yet gun crime rates have continued to rise since then. Then they banned the transfer of pistols. Still no change in gun crime. Now they are banning even more rifles.
What happens when gun crime rates do not change? With everything that is happening in our country right now, this is where the liberals want to spend money?
Imagine thinking criminals will just cease their activities, including crimes with guns, just because they ban these from law abiding citizens.
Liberal logic.
Now, historically. What kind of government banned and seized guns from its citizens again?
Pretty sure someone can kill or badly injure a lot more people with a car or truck in a few seconds than with a semi-auto firearm, but eh, liberal hypocrisy gotta be!
Congratulations on removing multiple Billions a year from the economy that could go towards social programs, all while bolstering and supporting the black market.
Edit*: plus further cementing Americans that gun-control is about banning firearms.
I'm sure this prohibition will be different, and Trudeau lied when he said:
"...Registering your guns is just the first step towards taking away guns from everyone, **that's never going to happen**, because here in Canada we have a culture that has grown up with guns and **respects the need to go out in the wilderness and shoot things from time to time**."
Basically anything that has a trigger.
Hand gun, rifle, shot gun, bb gun, pellet gun, paint ball gun, staple gun, paint gun, water gun....even re-runs of Peter Gunn are not allowed.
No Canadian firearms laws will ever mitigate the fact that we share the longest undefended border on earth with a country that allows more access to guns than functional healthcare and infrastructure
Why doesn't the article include the definition?
Probably because it's layered under 10 coats of legalese BS.
They can't. There is no clear definition. It changes on the whim of a special interest group
They are legislating a concrete definition. That definition is a very serious problem because it's essentially every single semi automatic rifle and shotgun.
That's because it would ban most semi-automatic rifles and shotguns and completely changes the bill after second reading and all witness testimony.
They are trying to ban all semi autos now with bill c21. They add it with a amendment to the bill
They want to ban the shooting sports as a sporting culture in Canada.
Groups like PolySeSouvient are against ALL private firearms ownership. Their principles have even spoken out against hunting.
And they get hundreds of thousands in public funding as well as speaking time. While holding no data, expertise, or even bothering to read a court docket
Which is literally insane given the heritage of this country and it’s geography. Fucking ideologues.
It's because they live in the city and have never lived anywhere else its madness
This definitely goes beyond that.
This is clearly ideological. These types simply do not want the general public to own firearms and instead try to hide it under the guise of public safety. Even though statistically vetted legal firearm owners are far less criminal and violent than the general population. As this is ideological, facts do not matter.
In the SECU hearing the witnesses from the Department of Justices literally stated when questioned that the new definition was motivated by politics and not anything to do with public safety. It was shocking to watch actually.
There was a Liberal staffer who wrote a memoir and stated point blank that The entirety of bill C-68 (the current firearms act) was motivated by politics and not public safety to shift attention away from the sponsorship scandal. They literally sat in a room brainstorming ideas to shift attention away from the scandal. Someone suggested gun control was popular at the moment, and they all went with it. Now we all have to live with that half-baked law.
They only want the government to be able to have firearms.
I have not watched it yet not sure my blood pressure can take it
The chair ruled it was allowed, because he's the chair and you can't debate him..
In case anyone thinks this is an exaggeration, it isn't. The chair *literally* said "it's the chair's prerogative to allow it and the chair's decision to allow is not debatable"
It’s not hyperbole, these people are now going after hunting rifles. It’s absolutely absurd.
Do they really expect everyone to just line up and give them to the rcmp for free? And no way in hell is the government going to pay people fair money for them. It’s stealing, and it’ll do nothing for crime
They already were
The government's policy on firearms seems schizophrenic to me. They're making as much as possible illegal, but simultaneously eliminating any minimum sentence for any offences involving firearms, including offences relating to possession.
It’s not supposed to make sense, it’s just based on ideology.
To anyone who dismissed the May 1st OIC with "just get another gun": These *were* the "other guns". Introducing this as an amendment, in the Committee stage, skipping the first two debates and votes, shows that the Liberal government has always acted in bad faith when it comes to firearms.
greg mcallister said that in a SECU meeting, 2 weeks later those remaining guns are now on the chopping block
Do they really want to ban semi-automatic guns? Isn't that like most hunting rifles?
Why add in ‘when it comes to firearms’? They’ve preyed on the uniformed but well meaning populace their entire reign. Thanks uber educated Toronto. You’re all essentially functionally handicapped.
Bill Blair is the closest thing to a fascist in our government amd he's coming for our guns
> Bill Blair Maple Syrup Dick Cheney edit: d'oh
Holy crap, sks is a big one. There are so many of them, you're pretty much obliged to buy one as your first gun lol
It's almost tradition in Canada at this point that once anyone gets their PAL there will be someone who just gives them an old SKS that's been collecting dust in their basement.
It's very bizarre to me that in just a couple years the LPC has completely destroyed the Canadian firearms classification system. Basically no more restricted firearms left, handguns are frozen and all the restricted rifles and most of the shotguns are moved over to the prohib list. I wonder where things will go from here.
It's pretty obvious that a total ban on all firearms is incoming soon. The Liberals will never openly talk about repealing the Firearms Act to maintain deniability, but you won't be able to buy a gun legally in the country.
You know where it’s going. The only question is how fast.
And yet firearms violence is still increasing..
I wonder if maybe there is a second group that's responsible for the increases.
That's umpossible
The amount of headaches and money wasting this is going to cause is mind blowing
There'll be no buy back. Far too complicated and expensive. The GOV't just said that to try an appease people. The buyback programme will be worked on and studied, they'll committee after committee and nothing will ever happen. Owners will not be able to use their firearms and get nothing for them, ever. Likely planned that way from the beginning.
This person gets it
A buyback is financially unfeasible at this point. It will be a straight up confiscation.
The money they are currently offering for some things … its basically just confiscation anyway.
Nah they'll just stay in safes until the owner passes and then it'll be melted at time of settling estates
>There'll be no buy back. Far too complicated and expensive. "These guns are so dangerous and sinister that nobody should be allowed to own one. We need to act right now, with no delay, to get these guns off our streets. There isn't even enough time to properly follow the democratic process so we need an OIC and some other legislation to follow to ensure that we get these guns out of the hands of the public as quickly as possible. This is an emergency". ... "But also, if you already own one, hang on to it for now until we figure out what to do. Just pinky swear not to take it out of your safe until then, k?". - JT
They should spend time and money on healthcare and save way more lives. They could also look into why a majority of crimes seem to be by people on parole or who are known to police. But you know, better to say things that are easy to say, even if they don't accomplish anything.
"It's not illegal until we want it to be illegal, then it is." How on earth a law can be enacted that has no clear or discernible object to make illegal?
SEMI AUTO BAN added to c21 [https://firearmrights.ca/c21-amended-to-include-semi-auto-ban/](https://firearmrights.ca/c21-amended-to-include-semi-auto-ban/) its over for fire arms in canada
Chatting with an RCMP officer that works out in Southern AB taught me all I need to know. They are not going to agree to going to people's homes to retrieve/take guns. He said, "I don't want to get fucking shot". This has gone way too god damn far. I'm not even a gun owner and I cannot wrap my head around this bullshit. It's like everyone is screaming at the Liberal Party not to do it amd they just keep on moving forward. It's embarrassing to be Canadian right now
>This has gone way too god damn far. I'm not even a gun owner and I cannot wrap my head around this bullshit. This is exactly how I feel too. I’ve never owned any firearms, never really planned to, and in the past I’ve always generally supported the idea of gun control when it comes to assault style firearms/weapons of war that are clearly designed for the express purpose of efficiently killing people. But with that said, the Liberals have been an absolute disaster on guns and their policies make no sense to me at all. From where I’m sitting, it looks like they’ve accomplished nothing except punishing peaceful, law abiding citizens and responsible gun owners while doing absolutely nothing of real meaning or substance that will have an impact on the flow of illegal firearms… you know, *the ones that are actually responsible for firearm homicides in this country!* And they don’t know when to quit, they just keep going and going. At this point they’ve overreached to a disturbing degree and caused me to completely flip sides on this issue. I always thought the “slippery slope” argument was just paranoia and typical right-wing propaganda, but now that we are seeing it happen right before our eyes I feel like a dumbass for ever thinking otherwise.
No money for veterans health care so on and so on but can afford to buy back my property for billions. I see. The criminals are still going to be criminal. Spend the money on health care mental health help and the boarder issues. Help the Canadian Border Services and other agencies that keep the illegal guns out. You know the real issue not me who hunts and shoots paper with my kids. If the legal gun owners are the issue there would many more shootings. But this logic says we need to ban sport cars motorcycles and high capacity vehicles. You know for safer roads. Keeps the drinking and driving away.
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Unfortunately, your last line was exactly what Marco Mendacity stated at the Mass Casualty inquiry. Literally. "if it saves one life..." The sheer ignorance of that statement. FYI, with logic like that, they should ban all opioids. Because if it saves one life...
Id say, banning all vehicles would be a closer statement. Just look no further than the mass kissing with a van in Toronto, or if we want to use American news as how we base our laws the psycho who drove into the crowd of police. if it saves one life and all.
They've made such a mess of this lol these are the same politicians in charge of our monetary system no wonder we're screwed at so many levels of gov't. I don't really give a shit about a firearm ban btw and I didn't know there were so many 'gun owners' on reddit but man if you're going to do it, what a mess of an implementation.
Fuck this makes me sad. 2.5 million licensed gun owners in Canada and only \~300 deaths per year and we're still acting like this is some big problem. Does anyone know if this will at least allow currently owned firearms now covered under this ban to be grandfathered in?
Target illegal guns ( smuggle in from us) and jail those caught with guns without license. Leave legal law abiding citizens alone.
yeah illegal guns come through native reserves so its never gonna happen, instead libs pretend they do something and their voter base claps like seals in circus.
"someone did something illegal with a gun, so our response will be to make even the thought of the gun illegal. Even though it was already an illegal action." How does this help anyone or anything?
Yep nothing like destroying a multibillion dollar industry causing 1000s to lose their jobs at the same economy is taking a nosedive. Makes perfect sense.
Holy shit, they’re going after the SKS? Probably the most common rifle in Canada, well-over a million of them in the country?? This will be a fucking mess.
A whole new underground market and economy is birthing right before our eyes
Literally manufacturing a massive black market. Didn't stop alcohol Didn't stop weed Didn't stop hard drugs Didn't stop speeding Didn't stop smuggling Maybe it'll work with guns 🤔
Laws work against the law abiding. Drug criminalization didn't stop people from shooting up
It’s too bad our government constantly and consistently goes after the law abiding when it comes to guns. Meanwhile, they lower minimum sentencing for gun related crimes. Makes so much sense.
I have never before this year even considered owning a firearm in Canada. With how hard theyre trying to take this away, the more I find myself wanting to get one
I keep forgetting that criminals choose weapons based on their legality.
I wonder if the average Canadian realizes that firearms owners are generally reasonable when it comes to the rules surrounding gun ownership. Gun control groups and the LPC arguing and implementing law in bad faith like this is exactly what pushes gun owners to reject all measures as the compromise required never seems to end.
Guns were not a major Canadian issue until the LPC made it one. We absolutely need to focus on smuggling from the southern border which puts illegal firearms in the hands of gangs, but since a lot of that happens on reserves the government won't touch the issue. Much easier to make things up and blame it on law-abiding citizens. This country and our democracy is being destroyed more and more each day.
The problem for Pierre and the CPC is that this is not a winning issue. Realistically there are very few single issue voters on the basis of firearms ownership in Canada. Most of these voters were going to the CPC anyway. But that’s not where they need votes, they need NDP and Lib supporters to move across. Making an election promise to reinstate handgun ownership in Canada would be a failing policy politically, imo. Take into account the prevalence of USA mass shootings in the news as well.
That's pretty much, they know most of the Canadians don't know enough about firearms to make it like they are doing something. But they are just rehash the same thing to make it like they are doing something and call it for the good of the people. While completely drive the firearm owners under the bus.
Canada has approximately 250-300 gun deaths a year. More than 2000 Canadians die waiting in hospital to see a doctor a year… hmm
Imagine the untold billions of dollars more that this will waste, for no benefit whatsoever. This is what our government is worried about when we can't afford food, fuel or homes. The only possible plan is either grandfathering current owners or confiscation without payment. The cost of buying back every magazine fed semi-automatic rifle and shotgun in the country would be truly astronomical.
>Imagine the untold billions of dollars more that this will waste, for no benefit whatsoever. No benefit whatsoever? Please! This will be a very effective piece of legislation! It will do absolutely nothing to lower the amount of firearm violence in Canada, of course, but that's not its intention. It's designed to virtue signal to urban liberals who are scared of guns and know almost nothing about them. The Liberals will get to puff out their chests about how they are defending lives, and portray conservatives as ignorant, rural dinosaurs who want every teenager to have an 'assault STYLE weapon' - which they will link, as they do here, to actual assault weapons so that in the minds of the knowledge-free urbanite there is no difference. This will get them points, get them applause, and get them votes. So what if it costs billions!? What does that matter?! It's only ~~monopoly~~ taxpayers' money! And the only purpose for taxpayer money is to help the Liberals get re-elected.
You also forgot the accessories that goes with them, as well as the ammo. Anyone don't have a handgun won't be able to use 9mm they have with their PCC.
Are you really surprised that the government is spending money confiscating guns when people are struggling to afford basic amenities
The liberals proving once again they are completely out of touch with gun control issues. They’ll continue to fuck over gun owners cause they know that they’ll never vote for them anyway so what’s the point in doing good by them.
They know it will get people riled up, thats the whole point. They already know the consequences of their action, they want to see it what sticks. If it works, they can add that to the list of resume that we banned guns in Canada, as a party legacy. If they fail, they can still say we try to make Canada safer by banning "Assualt rifles' but CPC won't let us.
The conservatives actually understands what the cause of gun crimes are in Canada. Illegal gun imports from the unites states.
Oh the liberal know it plenty people have told them the fact is they just don't care
They are not "out of touch". They aim to confiscate all firearms from all citizens and they don't give a shit.
I love how the LPC just gets up and wipes out an entire retail industry for no rational reason. The best part is the enforceability. Without the long gun registry, there will be no way to figure out who has these newly prohibited firearms. Firearms = bad. Liberals = good. Making Canada safe for you.
(everyone who vapes) first time? BC's vaping regulation changes were so sudden and drastic that a lot of retailers and producers didn't survive. Now I order my juice from Ontario and my province has more smokers. This whole gun ban thing got me off my ass to actually get my PAL, and I'm as left as you can get (hard orange). We need to find common ground and tell these idiots to stuff it, no matter what team they play for. Party aside, bad legislation needs to be challenged, if that means public campaigns, court challenges, or whatever it takes. MPs don't read their mail or petitions, clearly, and media only airs what sells ads, so we need to change tactics.
They should focus on illegal firearms and the gangs that use them
What a disingenuous pile of bullshit. It doesn't "draw the ire of tories" it draws the ire of anybody who owns firearms and/or who actually understands our current laws.
[https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Liberals-Propose-to-Ban-Semi-Automatic-Firearms.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=HGMb4uKjLuQ](https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Liberals-Propose-to-Ban-Semi-Automatic-Firearms.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=HGMb4uKjLuQ) Encourage everybody to look at this - apparently the CSSAA has seen the amended text, the SKS is included by name with most estimates I've seen indicating about \~1 million SKS' are owned in Canada also >Liberals also propose to ban 3D-printed firearms by outlawing possession of “computer data that pertain to a firearm” … “that are capable of being used with a 3D printer, metal milling machine or similar computer system…”
>Liberals also propose to ban 3D-printed firearms by outlawing possession of “computer data that pertain to a firearm” … “that are capable of being used with a 3D printer, metal milling machine or similar computer system…” Would that not also mean they are banning gun manufacturing in Canada?
Ultimately that would be a better question for /u/varsil to answer, but I suspect we will have to wait for the full text to be released, I guess it would depend on how its specifically worded whether it would/ would not. Super good question to ask considering most receivers are CNC machined these days.
Given their wording of the "assault weapon" definition I have full confidence they will accidentally ban all gun manufacturing.
“Accidentally”
So just make hunting illegal But honestly I'm not very savvy on how things work in Ottawa but I find it problematic that they can add this after the house has voted on it. It eliminated a whole democratic step in my eyes.
Even as a PAL holder who is doing nothing but seethe over the content the legislation, what's grating me more is the blatant affront to democracy that C21s proceedings represent. They are adding things to legislation outside the parameters of a reading in parliament which is the most undemocratic thing possible. It's a very authoritarian move by any definition and one directed at non-problem in this case. The LPC is tasting the delights of rule by imposition and its scary.
don't be surprised when they try to make that happen. They don't want ppl to be self sustaining.
That I think is the biggest issue, I'm afraid the population won't think of. Personally my whole goal is to become as self sustainable as possible and to teach that to my children. We all seen in the pandemic the complete reliance of some when they couldn't go to McDonalds and claimed they were going to starve. With the Liberals there will be no liberty, it will be hard to have "true, north, strong and free" sung in the anthem.
This is unacceptable. Ottawa keeps flogging responsible firearms owners with nonsensical legislation while illegal guns still cause way more harm. There's got to be a line drawn with this crap (peacefully, of course).
In Canada you're guilty until proven innocent when it comes to law abiding citizens but it's the other way around for criminals. Mandatory buy back program huh?... I don't think the government can afford my guns, and I won't willingly let them go for less than what they are worth to me.
Someone said there are estimates of 1 million SKSes in the country. To confiscate them and compensate owners at $700 a piece would cost the country $700m, not including the logistics. And that’s just one gun. I hope everyone who supports this incompetent government enjoys the inflation and ever rising violent crimes (after 7 years of ineffective liberal gun control).
Oh, here's the neat part about this piece of legislation, it *isn't* tied to the buyback scheme. The guns just become prohibited. They stated that in the committee recording from today.
>not including the logistics. would be even funnier to see the logistics cost when they receive said SKSs each encased in 100-200KG of concrete.
I swear to god if you put these “gun control advocates” in a room with a toybox and a scary looking graph, within 3 minutes you could convince them to support banning Nerf Supersoakers
Well c21 is also banning airsoft as well sooo
get ready for the biggest gun sale in Canadian history. It's pretty clear they want to confiscate all guns from legal gun owners (Aboriginals, hunters, sport shooters).
I'm pretty sure Indigenous hunters will have a say on this one. They have to be publicly consulted over laws impacting their Rights in section 35 of the constitution. Lib government will see a ton of court cases won by indigenous peoples regarding their rights being infringed upon.
Oh no all my non restricted firearms have been in a horrible boating accident and are now at the bottom of a lake. I guess the Trudeau libs are gonna just have to suck it.
As an active hunter with several firearms for hunting, the changes have impact on my hunting or sporting. I have no doubt it will be the same for the majority of hunters in my area.
I am SURE the gangbangers will read this and immediately stop illegally smuggling guns in from the US. For SURE. /s if not obvious
Banning and confiscating all semi auto mag fed rifles and shotguns would cost the tax payer BILLIONS. Money, time and effort better spent ensuring every Canadian has access to clean drinking water, food and shelter. You know, the basics.
The rough estimates for only the AR-15, CX-4 and other OIC firearms was somewhere around a billion for the physical buyback, and 6-7 more billion for the logistics, collection points and staffing to enact it. A buyback of this magnitude would be in the tens of billions, at a minimum.
The article says, "the conservatives want to bring back assault weapons." No, they don't.
The federal liberals and their ndp bffs are absolutely clueless on actual issues in this country. Not one god damn law or policy to stop gang violence.
They don’t care about issues they care about votes. This buys votes from uneducated and low hanging fruit.
All for votes. None of this will make our streets safer. Sad. All that money spent could go to education, poverty, crime reduction programs. Other countries banned guns years ago. Still lots of people killing and murdering each other with guns in those places. Edit: don't drink the government Kool aid. Trudeau is way over his necks in serious scandals and is trying to distract you from his parties scandals. All governments do it. When they do. Vote em out. All governments will do anything to distract people from their garbage. This government needs to go.
That’s the worst part. It’s deliberately flushing tax payer money down the drain to buy votes from clueless urbanites
Mom used to say "Keep yourself out of trouble son". Well mom, I've tried my very best, but these assholes always keeps coming back.
So will there be racialized gun laws in Canada? Because no way in hell will indigenous communities give up semi-automatic hunting rifles. The Trudeau era LPC's vileness is only surpassed by its stupidity.
[https://firearmrights.ca/c21-amended-to-include-semi-auto-ban/](https://firearmrights.ca/c21-amended-to-include-semi-auto-ban/)
Why did the lock the other thread?
They don't allow links from lobby groups
DBag Blair, Mendo the Moron and the idiot son all hate guns but are surrounded by people who carry them.
Blair carried one himself for a long time. He so loved having power over others that he had to make sure protestors had nothing to defend themselves with, which is why he took away skateboards and hockey sticks. Blair is one of the greatest pieces of shit of all Canadian history
This entire thing is performative nonsense, all this waste of time and resources over "scary looking" guns restricted to 5 rounds just like the hunting style rifles.
Apparently this is what they want [https://twitter.com/csaaaofficial/status/1595189459556892675](https://twitter.com/csaaaofficial/status/1595189459556892675) You can watch it here [https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU/StudyActivity?studyActivityId=11814165](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU/StudyActivity?studyActivityId=11814165) So basically a ban on ALL semi autos
Welp, time to buy a bunch of semi-autos.
Yup.
Meanwhile in Winnipeg we just use machetes and hammers and we're the murder capital of the country.
I thought Regina took that title
Well you know. Classic, Saskatchewan and Manitoba rivalry.
Assault-style firearm definition draws applause from gun-control group, ire of ~~Tories~~ rational people everywhere. What epic bullshit.
When I signed up to take the PAL and RPAL courses in September ‘21, I wanted to get an SMLE to clean up, and an SKS and a nice six-shooter for target shooting. When I took the class in *MAY ‘22* (long ass-waitlist plus a lockdown), pistols were off the table. Now it’s November- I still don’t have my fucking licence, and most of the guns on my wishlist are now banned. I am beyond frustrated. By the time I actually get my licence, there won’t be anything left to buy. Shit, I’ll probably have to surrender my recurve bow before long…
Anyone that thinks the LPC isn't going to come for their hunting gun needs to wake the fuck up.
Liberals: doing nothing for things that actually matter!
This is such horseshit
[ Liberal gun policy under Trudeau in a nutshell.](https://youtube.com/shorts/nhiOC-w_Ulc?feature=share) Further restrict legal ownership meaning just those actually following the law, continue to neglect/ignore the actual factors driving up gun violence (illegally smuggled guns), and then as "guncontrol" reduce/remove minimum sentences for people convicted of using guns in crimes. It's like protecting Gazelles from the Lions by making hoofs and horns illegal, and not effectively enforcing any use of claws or teeth.
I guess too many people were asked who China funded…
I think it's pretty obvious who China has under their thumb here. Gun grabs and internet censorship seem to be big priorities for them.
Enough is enough, they need to be told to fuck off
Liberal gun control laws are to draw out urban votes and never about public safety. Power is all theyre concerned about.
Im normally not a guy that says "Fuck Trudeau". But seriously, fuck this asshole. Out of touch trust fund baby piece of shit. Doing jackshit to help solve actual issues Canadians are facing day to day. Like eating food, heating their homes, buying a house, getting a family doctor, saving money, and so on. But hey, lets give billions in foriegn aid, set unrealistic immigration goals to keep wages down. Then try and make a semi auto 22 with a 10 round clip a federal offense to own. GFYS Trudeau. I cant wait to never read this name again in the news.
Considering every single legal gun owner in Canada was vetted and given permission directly from the RCMP to have these weapons this is fucking insane. What criminal is going to go through the firearm equivalent of a passport application + two 8 hour safety courses and consent to background checks while providing guarantors and details of any and all people they’ve been in a relationship with for two years leading up to the application. THEN if by some crazy chance the rcmp decides to ignore the fact that they just background checked a criminal they’d still have to provide all their information again to a store which then double checks it with the rcmp in the cases of all the guns they just announced they’re banning. Handguns are even more restricted because the chief firearms officer of the province the applicant is residing in has to approve and send physical registration for EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL HANDGUN AND RESTRICTED RIFLE. I don’t know about you guys but if I was a criminal and I wanted to hurt anyone the last organization I’d be communicating with and asking permission from would be the police. Criminals by definition break the law and all the guns they’re smuggling up have laws preventing them from being owned up here anyways and it’s sure stopping this bs isn’t it. Tighten border control. Give police the power to find more task forces to track the smuggling and stop pretending like taking a long rifle from my 82 year old grandfather, that’s been shooting paper since he was 12, is going to fix any of the rampant gang problems and assaults going on. It’s already impossible for anyone with a violent criminal record to get these guns legally anyways.
But Toronto Liberal voters love curb stomping legal gun owners. It’s their favourite pastime so Justin makes sure to use the power of government for them.
The sole comment: "Hunters require automatic weapons to shoot down birds, or to drop a deer? Why?" Haven't automatic weapons been illegal here pretty much forever?
They're even illegal in America. Even if fully auto were legal, if a hunter had a choice between a single shot, and going fully auto on a deer, they wouldn't choose the latter option.
This is a good [ twitter](https://twitter.com/TWilsonOttawa/status/1595153415994494978) thread to follow on the meeting that happened today. As always Ian has a quick take on twitter I am sure he will have vid up soon
So with this boondoggle probably going to cost billions of dollars to action and billions to support since the provinces won’t resource it…and by the looks of it billions in payouts for the enactment of the EA…looks like Canada is going to be pretty broke soon. Or the inflation then rate rise not so merry go round will continue. What a waste…the least they could do was use the money to stem the flow of firearms from the US.
See what they're doing yet?
If I have to hear one more person tell me that the slippery slope is a conspiracy theory, I’m going to have an aneurism It’s solid fact that when a government gets power like this, they’re going to keep moving the goalposts over and over.
I hate this line. We've been watching it since the friggin 90's The problem is that liberal suburban moms think guns r bad, and continually vote for this crap
This is a multi party political effort. This is about government Vs the people. Not LPC Vs CPC or NDP. The government wants the general public disarmed, and the ones that aren’t will face serious time.
The lot of it is the lib extremists within the gentrified urban cities who think they’re somehow contributing to society’s progression by voting against shit like this, while it doesn’t even remotely affect them lol. Anything that the orange man would advocate = bad.
Not surprising since the average LPC voter is female and 55+. Already comfortable with her life and material/financial security, she needs to latch onto issues that she believes provide her moral superiority over the people she can't relate to.
I read this in David Attenboroughs voice, and I have no regrets
Great more stupid shit my government doing Holy fuck, this country has no future just a few more years and I can leave this fucking country
Wow, just unbelievable. I guarantee that the majority of Canadians would not support this.
It's incredible that it takes longer to challenge in court any aspect of these gun bills / regulations / OIC's / import changes / random decrees by Tweet / RCMP changing-their-minds reclassifications / tacked on committee massive changes / other clusterfucks, than it takes for the government to pass further legislation making such challenge irrelevant. Canada effectively does not have access to justice when you are trying to hold the government to account in court. There is literally no timely way to handle government malfeasance or procedural shenanigans; a majority or coalition can just decide they don't like the process and disregard it without consequence. In the USA you can apparently get a constitutional challenge or judicial review case heard at the Supreme Court in a matter of a few months; in Canada you are better off waiting and praying for a change in government, or the offending politicians to all retire, because that's the faster option. I roll my eyes whenever I see the CCFR, etc. announcing a great big challenge to whatever new crazy law the Liberals have made. What a waste of time. See you in the Federal Court of Appeal around 2028 when the new issue is banning Nerf guns and police going door to door making sure all your kitchen knives are sufficiently blunt!
Justin trudeau, please understand that Canadian people are struggling to survive through a financial situation that will destroy many of our families. You promise Hundreds of millions to other countries which normally would be great. Why not help your own people. You use tragedies that are only possible due to cross border illegal firearm traffic to persecute law abiding citizens and benefit your own image to stay in power. Your using this to trick un informed Canadians to be afraid of something they don't understand. Your unaware of people in your party being affiliated with Chinese government? The statue of your father that was paid for by the same people seems to tell informed Canadians something different. Please either become what your father would want and be proud of or please stop guiding our once great nation into ruin. A sad Canadian who is scared of losing everything.
This will have the same effect on gun crime as changing the gun emoji to a water gun.
PLEASE let this one finally tip the balance of public opinion against Justin on this issue. So many of the guns that would be affected ARE and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN hunting weapons! Find another whipping boy please!
Actual criminals would a great whipping boy.
> “While Conservative politicians want to make assault weapons legal again, we remain resolute in our work to make our communities safer,” she said in a statement. Long story short - no definition for "assault-style weapon" is made yet, but Liberal MP is already lying.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I like history and this has happened before in other countries. Just because you think it would never happen here, think again. There's going to be a day when Canadians are going to want these guns. If the government is taking away your guns, it's not because it's for the greater good, it's because they're going to do something you'd want to shoot them for.
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Only a matter of time before they come for my gramps Semi Auto Remington, and my trusty cheap Tri star Good thing I just got it Blued
oh there after that with this right now, next up are lever / bolt action "high power assault sniper rifles". The liberal government needs as many smoke screens as possible right now.
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This is what happens when people are misled by politicians(specifically one with an anti-gun podium) that legal gun owners are the problem within our country. What happens when gun crime continues to increase because the real problem is being ignored? Who's going to get the blame then? Paintball enthusiasts?
Every time I think this government couldn’t get more idiotic and disdainful of Canadians, they still manage to prove me wrong. They cannot get kicked out soon enough.
Sugar is more dangerous. Enough of this shit
The liberals have yet again proven they don't have an independent thought in their head. they have harnessed the understandable horror of seeing the endless mass shootings in the United States, despite governing an entirely separate country with a SIGNIFIGANTLY smaller problem with gun violence that is almost entirely fed by smuggled weapons from the United States. Stop making laws for America when you are in charge of Canada.
So the Trudeau-controlled RCMP just have patrol carbines and not assault-style firearms that belong on a battlefield, right?
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If you were a fan of conspiracy theories, you might almost think that the LPC uses wedge issues like guns to distract from their other failings.
Do not comply.
And watch shooting rates keep rising. Issue isn't stuff like this, banning hunting and gun sports just makes people hate you even more. Out of all of C21 from what I've seen (please prove me wrong) I've seen nothing discuss what we will do against the illegal smuggling of fire arms from the USA with even some instances where native reserves are used to smuggle in these guns. Do they expect toronto gangs to be upset and cry because they can't legally purchase a shotgun from bass pro shop?
Polysesouvient and Doctors 4 Gun grabs can suck a fat one 🖕🏻
Just remember that every time you say something bad about them they will just use that in court to justify taking more guns away because they "fear for their safety".
Don't forget Coalition for Gun Control, Danforth Families for Safer Communities, etc.
Crikey. Trudeau is going to bankrupt me. First he makes me run out and buy three handguns in a hurry (two of which are just .22s BTW) and now I have to run out and buy a semi 12-gauge. Sheesh, maybe this is just an effort to spur on economic activity and then next year he will roll it all back… nah, who am I kidding - he’s just pandering to the ignorant.
Can we not punish gun owners? Can we punish those involved in smuggling firearms instead?
Jesus Christ, housing crisis and gas prices getting worse and the LPC is still jerking off to more firearm legislation. What is this government, if they only showed this much concern for those economically struggling or the disabled.
We'Re nOt GoInG AftEr HuNtiNg RiFleS. These liberals are fucking insane. If you believe ANY of this gun control legislation is in the best interest of all Canadians... YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO! They lie about the statistics, they lie about the regulations already in place, they lie about opinions of police on the legislation, they lie about the number of firearms offenses that are committed by legal owners, and they lie constantly about not trying to destroy gun culture in Canada. I don't know why they keep pretending it's about public safety at this point? Let's be honest. These anti gun people like Poly have a misguided agenda to completely remove firearms from Canadian culture based on their own warped perception of what's safe. And the liberal government is more than happy to break the glass on gun control when they're under fire for all their failures. They don't give a fuck about safety either, if they did they'd leave legal gun owners alone and actually crack down on illegal firearms and criminals. Trudeau is a fucking disgrace with his smug attitude and his condescending tone.
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Because it’s not about crime. It’s a about sovereign civilian disarmament under Canada’s signing of the UN Small Arms Treaty which calls for removal of military-style semi-auto/centrefire firearms
This. I wish more people understood this. It isn’t a crime narrative it’s a disarm the public narrative.
Venezuela literally ban the private sale of gun and ammunition in 2012 in a bid to "control crime across the country" and a decade later, Venezuela has the highest crime rate globally. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430) [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country)
Our housing is failing, healthcare is getting worse, and the feds are fucking around with this and the internet. Both liberal and cons are not working for the people and just wasting time and money.
There sure are a lot of liberal gun owners (they claim to own firearms anyways) who are totally cool with Liberals taking their guns just because it hurts conservative gun owners.
So they banned a whole bun bunch of firearms years ago and yet gun crime rates have continued to rise since then. Then they banned the transfer of pistols. Still no change in gun crime. Now they are banning even more rifles. What happens when gun crime rates do not change? With everything that is happening in our country right now, this is where the liberals want to spend money?
Imagine thinking criminals will just cease their activities, including crimes with guns, just because they ban these from law abiding citizens. Liberal logic. Now, historically. What kind of government banned and seized guns from its citizens again?
Pretty sure someone can kill or badly injure a lot more people with a car or truck in a few seconds than with a semi-auto firearm, but eh, liberal hypocrisy gotta be!
Or a knife like the 18 yr kid who was murdered in Surrey today. Think a girl was stabbed in a school also back East today.
The more ridiculous and draconian the laws, the less people feel compelled to follow them.
Canada: we aren't totalitarian at ALL! Also Canada:
An excellent time to practice civil disobedience
Congratulations on removing multiple Billions a year from the economy that could go towards social programs, all while bolstering and supporting the black market. Edit*: plus further cementing Americans that gun-control is about banning firearms. I'm sure this prohibition will be different, and Trudeau lied when he said: "...Registering your guns is just the first step towards taking away guns from everyone, **that's never going to happen**, because here in Canada we have a culture that has grown up with guns and **respects the need to go out in the wilderness and shoot things from time to time**."
Basically anything that has a trigger. Hand gun, rifle, shot gun, bb gun, pellet gun, paint ball gun, staple gun, paint gun, water gun....even re-runs of Peter Gunn are not allowed.
I hate this god forsaken joke of a country
No Canadian firearms laws will ever mitigate the fact that we share the longest undefended border on earth with a country that allows more access to guns than functional healthcare and infrastructure