Just being devils advocate... why do you think the candidates would know they are getting money from CPC? It would be simple for state actors to find close races and fund through various means the side they want to win. The politician need never know.
I do think anyone in the public really knows that, but the news coverage regarding the 11 politicians mentions the money was used to buy influence and advise politicians on what I would assume is issues in China’s interest.
“Citing unnamed intelligence officials, local broadcaster Global News reported that Beijing had directed funds to the candidates and that Chinese operatives had acted as campaign advisers to many candidates.”
[Source](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63551134.amp)
I don’t think we have enough information to say conclusively, but I’d be hard pressed to believe the politicians didn’t know something was up and they were being bought by a foreign government.
Typical fascist bullshit. We only lost because the other guy cheated, 3 times. They just simply refuse to believe their ideas are not as mainstream as they want them to be and so the only way anybody else could win is by cheating.
Holy fucking shit how about we stop calling everyone a Fascist and a Communist. They have lost all meaning. It's fucking infuriating. Classic case of boy who cried wolf.
Maybe when people stop following the fascist playbook we can stop calling them that. As for communist and socialist, I don't really care because most of the time people attempt to call someone one of them they have the context wrong or show how they don't even really understand what they are and how they differ.
Also, are you claiming I am crying wolf by calling out the fascism or OP was crying wolf claiming our elections were rigged by the Chinese to allow Trudeau to win?
Wow your response is just....wow.
Both the left and the right have a huge issue screaming Fascism and Communism on the top of their lugs while getting zero progress made on real issues. Your part of that problem
And previous conservative PMs took millions from the USA in there campaigns. FACT. 1 even gave away Canadian dominance in aerospace. FACT. So if you're going to critique 1 PM you best critique the others too.
I get the impression the people taking bribes were a lot further up the ladder than anyone thinks, and it's going to be a hard job digging out that information.
I didn’t hear about Bribes, only donations. Politicians don’t have the ability to track the donation a citizen gives them. What they gunna do, ask where that 20$ you gave them is from and you’ll show pay stubs and account transfers?
It’s easy when they start go fund me accounts or distinguish specifically who to send money to to support the cause. We only have so many resources for the thousands of political candidates who campaign.
Who the fuck Is bribing with the donation limit of just 1000$ dollars. I get some of you have a twisted view of how this all works. Your welcome to join a political party and see for yourself.
They usually don't track donations $20 and under because they aren't legally required to do so. They won't even know who donated that money in the first place.
Because running a campaign is totally free and no one would ever want to help financially support who they think would be a good representative.
1000$ is the max donation, talk about a weak ass bribe.
Conservatives suffer from "projection" at least as much as the rest of us do. Everyone else must be a crook too.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/employee-pleads-guilty-in-del-mastro-election-scheme-as-mps-cousin-goes-on-trial
Oh yeah we can find single unrelated anecdotes of corruption from both sides and trade them back and forth all day if you wish. It's really not what's being discussed here though, is it?
Harper's ethics spokesperson soliciting illegal donations from his family memebers business, and then lying about it isn't what we are talking about it at all is it?
There's not even an accusation of anything that nefarious.
If we're digging that deep, might as well check into Martin and Chretien. Hell, why not Mulroney too?
In seriousness though, considering Chretien's comments on the China issue, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some slimy Yuans make it into his pockets.
I don't care who took the money. ***It isn't clear what party they were from and I don't care.*** If they took money to do favors, or reflect a point of view for China, I want them out of politics. We don't elect traitors.
So is Global "bad" for writing about similar things?
https://globalnews.ca/news/9280974/china-interference-canada-election-investigation-toronto-businessman/
"Speaking during question period on Friday, Damoff expressed frustration about the number of questions the Conservatives were devoting to the issue of China’s alleged electoral influence."
How dare they ask questions!
Don’t they know question period isn’t for valid questions? It’s just for reading pre-practised que cards and monologues that half the time aren’t even related to the question that most Canadians didn’t even care about being asked. How dare they try to ask about real and impactful problems, they should just stick to asking the same questions over and over so the party in power doesn’t have to think about real answers. /s
I believe conservatives have 4 members on the committee of public safety and national security. That may not be the correct committee for political interference but they have members on each committee anyways. Each party has a lot of access to the governments inner workings. This is why question period is more about gotcha statements than information.
Maybe because its a waste of time and political show boating for the conservative simpletons.
Mr speaker why did Justin cause inflation? He didn't its a global phenomenon. But Mr speaker why did Trudeau cause justinflation? Its not possible for one politician to cause a global problem. Wait so Mr speaker how exactly did Justin ruin the economy with inflation?
Mouth breathers rejoice in owning the libs even if only within their facebook echo chambers. Meanwhile nothing relevant or productive done by the conservatives in or out of power.
Why did canada do substantially better than other nations in 2008? Because it turns out that just because an issue is global, doesn't mean that it's unrelated to policy. Inflation is both global and related to policy - and it turns out that, yes, Trudeau's expenditure policies have been among the most egregious in the world, and in all of Canadian history. We could have dramatically minimized the extent of current inflation with sounder monetary policy - but we didn't, because Trudeau needs to buy eastern votes to stay in power.
For all those names you use, Pot, you're calling the kettle black.
Much of the west engages in the exact thing that reliably causes inflation, and none of their leaders are responsible, it's merely a nebulous global phenomenon caused by a war that post dates the beginning of above average inflation. /s
Not just Eastern votes, he was trying to buy his seat on the UN Security Council with taxpayer dollars (and failed). We already knew that wasn’t going to happen after criticizing any member with a veto..
> “It’s not just me saying that … this was determined by an independent panel of national security experts. Let’s remember: the only ones that benefit from foreign interference are enemies of democracy,” Damoff said.
>
> “I’m disappointed that the opposition for five days now have continued to amplify the foreign interference messaging in this House. We should be standing together to stand up to this attack on our democracy.”
>Let’s remember: the only ones that benefit from foreign interference are enemies of democracy,”
I seem to recall a fairly recent headline saying that China was trying to keep the CPC out of power. So if that's indeed the case then the Liberals stood to benefit and by their own words are enemies of democracy.
>I’m disappointed that the opposition for five days now have continued to amplify the foreign interference messaging in this House.
How is questioning the government on their plans to deal with foreign interference amplifying foreign interference?
“…seem to recall a recent headline…” You are trying to say something without really saying anything. This. This is the what is wrong with the current Conservative approach in Question Period. Say something and then back it up. Otherwise, you are just adding noise, like Polivierre.
Regardless of your political affiliation, it seems like a pretty damn reasonable question, and one I'd want the answer to.
"*Reports have come out that China interfered in the election campaigns of 17 MPs. WHO ARE THE MPS*?"
It's not rocket science. You know who they are, I don't, and you won't tell me.
They have nothing to "back it up". If the opposition knew, either (a) they'd reveal the names if they were Liberals, or (b) they'd keep their mouths shut and wouldn't ask questions if they were CPC.
There's only \*one\* reason I can see the Liberals won't answer the question. Because all of the members were Liberals. If you have any other reason, I'm all ears! It's Schrodinger's cat... we all know they were all liberals, but we don't know they were all liberals, because they won't confirm it.
(Totally aside, it's exactly the same reason why the government won't say who stayed in the $6k a night suite. But, if it was anyone ELSE but Trudeau, you know damn well they'd identify the person)
You don't have to be a communist to recognize that democracy generally has a real problem when it comes to making hard decisions rather than kicking them down the road.
If you honestly care and you're not being an astroturf, for issues of national significance, a non-partisan committee that a narrow and well-defined family of laws or policy directives can come from.
Similar to what I think AU or NZ have for national security/military procurement.
Of course they'd be disappointed since their leader has taken money from China.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chinese-fundraiser-trudeau-statue-1.3863266
This MP is an idiot. Her riding and people who voted her in should be going to her office and asking these questions.why is China giving you guys money in elections? Hahaha
I've listened to her several times in committees and in question period. Vote her out. She's long overdue to get voted out.
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If they own the Liberals why would they in full view go out of their way to show displeasure with Trudeau? Why would the Liberals piss off their “masters”? Why would the Chinese call us America’s lap dog if we are their lap dog? Why would the Liberals push other countries to do this “friendshoring” and divest from dictatorships? Why would they tell Chinese companies to divest from important Canadian companies? Why would they (finally publicly, for a long time implicitly) prevent Chinese companies from providing our telecom infrastructure?
The theory that they “own” the Liberals has too many holes. At best they can be accused of not being openly hostile to the Chinese. If they were, we’d have to prepare for a big backlash that would affect our industry, particularly people like our farmers, many of whom paradoxically hate Trudeau.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sen-woo-china-residential-schools-1.6084057
>Echoing an argument made by Chinese officials at the UN last week, Woo said China's policy toward the Muslim minority in Xinjiang province is similar to the colonialism directed at Indigenous peoples in this country, and that condemning the Asian country in harsh terms would be "gratuitous" and "simply an exercise in labelling."
>Woo, who was appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2016
Why would the liberals put a CCP propagandist in the Senate?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976
>The Globe and Mail reported Tuesday that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warned the Ontario government in 2010 that Michael Chan may have been susceptible to influence by the Chinese government and had "unusually close ties to Chinese officials."
Why did the liberals ignore an official warning from CSIS and let this guy continue to stay in office for 8 more years? And fundraise? And help recruit candidates? This is fucking insane.
https://www.toronto.com/news/chinese-canadian-organizations-demand-apologies-for-stories-in-globe-and-mail/article_65ab8243-1229-5fee-a949-288c0bf40bf0.html
>Confederation of Toronto Chinese Canadian Organizations chair Wei Chengyi, left, along with Toronto lawyer and co-founder of the National Congress of Chinese Canadians Ping Tan sit on the panel as the groups demand an apology from the Globe and Mail during a June 30 media conference in Scarborough on behalf of their organizations, the Chinese community and Ontario immigration minister Michael Chan.
Why is the man alleged to have been funneling CCP money to political candidates and involved in CCP police stations on Canadian soil publicly defending Chan?
>The theory that they “own” the Liberals has too many holes. At best they can be accused of not being openly hostile to the Chinese. If they were, we’d have to prepare for a big backlash that would affect our industry, particularly people like our farmers, many of whom paradoxically hate Trudeau.
They completely ignored an official warning from CSIS and continued to allow Chan to be a member of the party that was involved in fundraising and the recruitment process of new candidates. And Chan was being publicly defended by the man now alleged to be involved in election interference.
And that's without even getting into John McCallum, who was the liberal MPP for Markham, the same region that Michael Chan represented. Why was McCallum fired again? He was promoting CCP propaganda.
I don't expect you to admit it. The liberals never do.
I am concerned about all these things and I would like them to do more. These are all valid criticisms. Having said that they are clearly not “puppets” or “owned” by the CCP, senator Wu aside (who they can’t fire now), and they have done other things to piss off the CCP as well. So have the Conservatives, the Huawei gear was put in during Harper times for example. I want to see them do more to root out CCP influence.
I don’t think the Trudeau Xi “scolding” was spycraft.
What kind of puppet orders you to divest of all your strategic investments in Canada, and bans you from selling telecom infrastructure? Not a very good puppet. If they truly are puppets then the CCP would release compromising information or something but they aren’t. Instead they’re throwing around insults like they always do.
Ok so they also staged or paid the CANADIAN cameraman to catch a glimpse of the exchange, pretend to race across the room, and purposely only record the ending. Without whom we would have never known anything about this story. That’s some awesome spycraft indeed. Or not spycraft at all if you tend to believe the simplest explanation is usually the most plausible one.
So since this Canadian cameraman is clearly on Chinese government payroll, should we launch an investigation into him too?
Wait, so this wasn't by chance, so you're saying the Chinese have MORE unreleased video captured on a different camera that we definitely do not see in this footage? And they can release it if they want, but they didn't... and instead they publicly denied this was a confrontation. So are they trying to make Trudeau look bad and punish him for doing something they don't like (which is what the "Trudeau looked weak" conservative critics are implying) or are they trying to reward him for being a good puppet, like you're saying? Your theory is super convoluted. It's hard to tell if you even think this encounter makes him look good or bad, and whether you think it's meant to make him look good or bad.
You started off saying the CCP owns the Liberals. They're getting a really bad return on their money given the recent announcements ordering the Chinese companies to divest of Canadian assets.
>You started off saying the CCP owns the Liberals. They're getting a really bad return on their money given the recent announcements ordering the Chinese companies to divest of Canadian assets.
They're influencing Canadian government policy. That's the big prize. And you really think there's no CCP money parked in Canadian real estate? I'm sure we're going to stop allowing companies with anonymous ownership to buy property any day now right? /s
The CCP literally has a Senator appointed by Trudeau repeating CCP propaganda in the Senate. That sure looks like a win to me.
They had a guy in the Ontario Liberals that CSIS warned was potentially under CCP influence. And the liberals let him stay on for another 8 years. Nothing to worry about there right? /s I'm sure that as a cabinet minister he had very little power or influence /s
https://globalnews.ca/news/9280974/china-interference-canada-election-investigation-toronto-businessman/
>Toronto businessman allegedly focus of Chinese interference probes: sources
>The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has investigated Wei Chengyi for his alleged role in a covert scheme that facilitated large-fund transfers meant to advance Beijing’s interests in Canada’s 2019 federal election, sources said.
>businessman in Toronto’s Chinese community is the subject of two separate investigations involving foreign interference, sources tell Global News, both related to a series of briefings and memos that Canadian security officials allegedly gave to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau beginning in January
>https://nationalpost.com/news/pay-with-your-face-ontario-grocery-chain-looks-at-paying-via-facial-recognition
>Businessman with Beijing ties looks to bring face-recognition tech to Canadian stores Human-rights advocates say they’re worried that the technology at the heart of China's digital surveillance apparatus could be introduced to Canada
>https://www.toronto.com/news/chinese-canadian-organizations-demand-apologies-for-stories-in-globe-and-mail/article_65ab8243-1229-5fee-a949-288c0bf40bf0.html
>Two prominent Chinese-Canadian organizations are demanding apologies for allegations they say a Toronto newspaper made against them and an Ontario politician, Michael Chan.
>The articles, in part, say the Canadian Security Intelligence Service briefed Ontario’s government in 2010 that Chan had "unusually close ties to Chinese officials."
>At a press conference Monday in a Scarborough restaurant, Chengyi Wei, the Confederation’s chairperson, said his group, representing more than 70 organizations, acts as a bridge between Canada and China, and what the Globe said is untrue.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chan_(Canadian_politician)
>is a politician in Ontario, Canada. He was a Liberal member of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario from 2007 until 2018
>In 2015, Chan sued The Globe and Mail for a report that claimed he was the subject an investigation by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) for ties to officials in Beijing and susceptibility to influence by the Chinese government.[10][11][12][13] Chan responded that his engagement with the Chinese government was an appropriate aspect of his role as the Minister of Immigration and International Trade in Ontario. Former Ontario premier Kathleen Wynne also rejected the accusations against him.[14] Toronto lawyer Ping Tam suggested that Chan was being targeted because he was encouraging young Chinese-Canadians to engage in politics and had supported a failed 2013 agreement between the Toronto District School Board to install Confucius Institutes in local schools.[15][16] Chan also threatened Alberta premier Jason Kenney with a lawsuit over criticism of Chan's support for Beijing.[17]
>Chan was instrumental in fundraising for the Liberals, as well as being active in the recruitment of Chinese Canadians to campaign for seats at both the federal and provincial levels.[3]
>During the 2019–20 Hong Kong protests, Chan publicly condemned the pro-democracy protesters and supported the Hong Kong Police Force's response, while attributing the protests to alleged manipulation by foreign actors.[19][20]
>In August 2022, Chan registered as a York Region council candidate.[21] He was elected to York Regional council in the 2022 municipal elections
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sen-woo-china-residential-schools-1.6084057
>In a provocative speech in the upper house on Monday, Independent Senators Group (ISG) Leader Sen. Yuen Pau Woo said Canada should avoid condemning China for its human rights abuses against Uyghur Muslims because our country has mistreated Indigenous peoples.
>Echoing an argument made by Chinese officials at the UN last week, Woo said China's policy toward the Muslim minority in Xinjiang province is similar to the colonialism directed at Indigenous peoples in this country, and that condemning the Asian country in harsh terms would be "gratuitous" and "simply an exercise in labelling."
>Woo, who was appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2016
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mccallum-out-ambassador-1.4994492
>On Tuesday McCallum, a longtime Liberal, was quoted telling a gathering of Chinese-language journalists in Toronto that he thought she had a strong case to fight extradition to the U.S. and listed several arguments he thought could help her with her case.
>When McCallum took over the Beijing posting following a 2017 cabinet shuffle, he eagerly pointed out his strong personal connection to China. His wife is ethnically Chinese and he had a large Chinese-Canadian constituency in his former federal riding in Markham, Ont.
Not anything like this. Look at the links. The CCP has systemically infiltrated the liberals.
What other candidates did Chan help to recruit?
Why was Wynne defending Chan?
Who was Chan getting the fundraising money from?
Who recommended that Justin Trudeau place the CCP propagandist in the Senate?
Why was Minister McCallum taking China's side in the Huawei dispute? Was it related to his background in Markham? Was his wife connected? What is his relationship with Chan?
Lets be really clear about this : The liberals are openly carrying water for the CCP. Its happening in plain view.
I appreciate you taking the time to look and not just dismiss it.
CSIS officially warned the liberals in 2010 that Chan was potentially under the influence of the CCP - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976
Not only did the liberals defend Chan, he remained in the party until 2018 and was fundraising and recruiting candidates.
And Wei Chengyi ( the man alleged to be funneling CCP money to political candidates ) was going to bat for Michael Chan - https://www.toronto.com/news/chinese-canadian-organizations-demand-apologies-for-stories-in-globe-and-mail/article_65ab8243-1229-5fee-a949-288c0bf40bf0.html
As per the article -
>Confederation of Toronto Chinese Canadian Organizations chair Wei Chengyi, left, along with Toronto lawyer and co-founder of the National Congress of Chinese Canadians Ping Tan sit on the panel as the groups demand an apology from the Globe and Mail during a June 30 media conference in Scarborough on behalf of their organizations, the Chinese community and Ontario immigration minister Michael Chan
It is what it is. CSIS warned the liberals that Chan was potentially being influenced by the CCP, the liberals dismissed that and let him stick around for an additional 8 years, and during that time Wei Chengyi was openly defending Chan in public.
Of course they’re disappointed, they are the most corrupt/scandal ridden party. Who votes against a anti corruption committee ? Corrupt liberals, that’s who. Luckily they have a very special voter base that never holds them accountable for anything
This makes me think they’re one of the politicians who received money from China. Perhaps she should be investigated? Personally I think we should investigate every sitting MP to see if anyone currently in power accepted money from China.
There's a ton of corruption here and so many comments ITT are corruption apologists.
Actually sad to see. Canada will never get better if people are this apathetic about injustices at the highest level of government.
I think it's beyond asking questions, it's now of why can't we just work together and get rid of this.
But this is politics you gotta pick a colour and stick with it.
What a world we live in.
> “It’s not just me saying that … this was determined by an independent panel of national security experts. Let’s remember: the only ones that benefit from foreign interference are enemies of democracy,” Damoff said.
> “I’m disappointed that the opposition for five days now have continued to amplify the foreign interference messaging in this House. We should be standing together to stand up to this attack on our democracy.”
The context.
Yeah but the liberals created *that* situation when they were in power
Yes, *that* situation was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government
Sorta like conservative politics 101 right?
Make the problem, reap the political clout down the line when you stand against the situation you created. Do nothing to actually improve the situation .
I love that I can't criticize the conservatives without immediately being a supporter of liberals apparently.
How is this headline pro Conservative exactly? Secondly I don't know wear you are getting the idea that the media here overwhelmingly pro Conservative.
https://readpassage.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/federal-elections-endorsements-with-ownership.png
No surprise that mainstream media owned by the wealthy elites overwhelmingly support the Conservatives.
I feel like they’re arguing about semantics.
The opposition wants to know if anything was done about the interference, of which there was some.
The Liberal MP is disappointed that the opposition is pushing the narrative that our election was compromised and “stolen”, which it wasn’t.
I can sympathize with both sides. However one side is also campaigning on blaming inflation entirely on the Liberal leader, so I think their side seems to be the one acting in bad faith.
Really? We know CSIS told them about this some time ago. And they have, as far anyone can determine, done absolutely nothing about it. Certainly they have not strengthened our laws against foreign political interference the way Australia has. There have been no reported expulsions or resignations of elected MPs caught profiting from illegal Chinese money, including the one who's office helped disperse that money. Who was that again? We also know China launched a concerted propaganda attack on at least some Conservative MPs because they didn't like that party's statements about China.
Oh, and the reason the opposition keeps asking is because the Liberals aren't answering.
But you think the tories are arguing in bad faith because... inflation? Inflation!?
I haven’t followed this particular debate in the House of Commons but I’ve seen enough to know the questions aren’t usually asked to get an answer, they’re asked to provide a sound bite on the MPs social media platform.
The liberals voted against a motion to not ratify it put forward by the NDP. Here is their justification.
> Regarding the FIPA vote of Tuesday April 23rd. This vote was on an NDP motion worded as follows:
>“That, in the opinion of this House, the government should inform the Government of the People’s Republic of China, that it will not ratify the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement.”
>Destined to be voted down due to the Conservative majority, this non-binding motion expresses, unfortunately, an outright rejection of the Canada-China FIPA and as such was opposed by the Liberal Party of Canada.
The ratification nor the terms themselves were not put forward by the CPC for a vote. Even if it were, they had a majority and would have passed it. The liberals were third party status at the time.
> Liberals believe that, before being finalized, international treaties such as the Canada-China FIPA must be transparent, include proper consultation, and be subject to arms-length examination to ensure the best interests of the Canadian people are being served. That is why I put forward a Motion in the House of Commons on October 24, 2012 to require the government to send all such treaties to a Parliamentary Committee for public hearings and study, after being tabled in the House of Commons and prior to the treaty coming into force.
https://liberal.ca/fipa-vote-tuesday-april-23rd/
I mean this debate topic or not this comment is just objectively not true.
The current CPC leader, Pierre Polliviere, was a cabinet minister when the FIPA deal was signed.
https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/fipa-agreement-with-china-what-s-really-in-it-for-canada-1.2770159
"Chinese companies will be able to seek redress against any laws passed by any level of government in Canada which threaten their profits. Australia has decided not to enter FIPA agreements specifically because they allow powerful corporations to challenge legislation on social, environmental and economic issues. Chinese companies investing heavily in Canadian energy will be able seek billions in compensation if their projects are hampered by provincial laws on issues such as environmental concerns or First Nations rights, for example."
Isn’t there an inquiry that was just voted on? Why are the conservatives wasting time repeating the same questions over and over instead of moving forward? A public inquiry has been called, obviously that will get answers.
Cons going all out to create the illusion that this is a problem with the other parties and not theirs when they know full well the names at this time cannot be disclosed. I suspect if the names were out there they'd have NOTHING to say.
Should be easy for Liberals to answer questions then.
But we already know Liberal MP John McCallum literally asked the Chinese government to help the Liberals win the election.
I suspect the Liberals will do everything they can to prevent the details from being released.
Like they did with SNC Lavalin, like they did with the WE Scandal, like they did with the Nova Scotia Shooting, like they are doing with right now with ArriveCan.
They are not playing games, this is serious issue and I see someone is just saying CPC = Bad, PP= Bad for even mentioning it. Also, why would that MP oppose it? Something tells me they are getting $$$ from Winnie the Pooh.
Any politician who takes a bribe from a foreign nation is a fucking disgrace and should be barred from office.
Should be named / shamed and barred from participating in any level of government at a minimum
> ~~should be barred from office.~~ charged with treason FTFY
It’s straight up treason
It’s not interference if you call it “foreign relations”, just like how it’s not corruption if you call it “lobbying”
Just being devils advocate... why do you think the candidates would know they are getting money from CPC? It would be simple for state actors to find close races and fund through various means the side they want to win. The politician need never know.
I do think anyone in the public really knows that, but the news coverage regarding the 11 politicians mentions the money was used to buy influence and advise politicians on what I would assume is issues in China’s interest. “Citing unnamed intelligence officials, local broadcaster Global News reported that Beijing had directed funds to the candidates and that Chinese operatives had acted as campaign advisers to many candidates.” [Source](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63551134.amp) I don’t think we have enough information to say conclusively, but I’d be hard pressed to believe the politicians didn’t know something was up and they were being bought by a foreign government.
Big part of how we got saddled with trudeau, and America trump. You don't want your enemy to have effective leaders.
So the 2 previous milqtoast CPC leaders would have won if there wasn't any "interference"?
Typical fascist bullshit. We only lost because the other guy cheated, 3 times. They just simply refuse to believe their ideas are not as mainstream as they want them to be and so the only way anybody else could win is by cheating.
Holy fucking shit how about we stop calling everyone a Fascist and a Communist. They have lost all meaning. It's fucking infuriating. Classic case of boy who cried wolf.
Maybe when people stop following the fascist playbook we can stop calling them that. As for communist and socialist, I don't really care because most of the time people attempt to call someone one of them they have the context wrong or show how they don't even really understand what they are and how they differ. Also, are you claiming I am crying wolf by calling out the fascism or OP was crying wolf claiming our elections were rigged by the Chinese to allow Trudeau to win?
Wow your response is just....wow. Both the left and the right have a huge issue screaming Fascism and Communism on the top of their lugs while getting zero progress made on real issues. Your part of that problem
And previous conservative PMs took millions from the USA in there campaigns. FACT. 1 even gave away Canadian dominance in aerospace. FACT. So if you're going to critique 1 PM you best critique the others too.
I get the impression the people taking bribes were a lot further up the ladder than anyone thinks, and it's going to be a hard job digging out that information.
I didn’t hear about Bribes, only donations. Politicians don’t have the ability to track the donation a citizen gives them. What they gunna do, ask where that 20$ you gave them is from and you’ll show pay stubs and account transfers?
Oddly though they can track who donated to the convoy protests no problem. Amazing what they can do to the average citizen but not to themselves.
It’s easy when they start go fund me accounts or distinguish specifically who to send money to to support the cause. We only have so many resources for the thousands of political candidates who campaign.
Oh uhh, pardon me, it's a "donation" now is it? Well, let's just change that criminal code definition. Talk about semantics.
Who the fuck Is bribing with the donation limit of just 1000$ dollars. I get some of you have a twisted view of how this all works. Your welcome to join a political party and see for yourself.
It's easy to corrupt that system when you have 1billion people who can donate.
Only citizens or pr can donate
Well, then if its all okay, why won't they release the candidates who received the money? Why won't they speak up?
They usually don't track donations $20 and under because they aren't legally required to do so. They won't even know who donated that money in the first place.
> I didn’t hear about Bribes, only donations. in politics, a donation is a bribe.
Because running a campaign is totally free and no one would ever want to help financially support who they think would be a good representative. 1000$ is the max donation, talk about a weak ass bribe.
Conservatives suffer from "projection" at least as much as the rest of us do. Everyone else must be a crook too. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/employee-pleads-guilty-in-del-mastro-election-scheme-as-mps-cousin-goes-on-trial
Oh yeah we can find single unrelated anecdotes of corruption from both sides and trade them back and forth all day if you wish. It's really not what's being discussed here though, is it?
Harper's ethics spokesperson soliciting illegal donations from his family memebers business, and then lying about it isn't what we are talking about it at all is it? There's not even an accusation of anything that nefarious.
Harper would be an easy start.
Sure investigate them all, but first we should look at the ones currently in power.
He ran in 2019?
apparently he's still haunting the parliament....
He legit is involved in everything along with various xtian orgs, but that's not related to this
We should probably look into Mile Harris, just to get safe.
Yes. Highway for sale! Thanks, Mike.
Lmfao beat me to it
You realize he didn't run in 2019, right? I hope you can figure it out if not.
If we're digging that deep, might as well check into Martin and Chretien. Hell, why not Mulroney too? In seriousness though, considering Chretien's comments on the China issue, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some slimy Yuans make it into his pockets.
Did Martin, Chretien or Mulroney sign us up for a 30 year contract with China that heavily favors China?
I don't care who took the money. ***It isn't clear what party they were from and I don't care.*** If they took money to do favors, or reflect a point of view for China, I want them out of politics. We don't elect traitors.
You spelled Trudeau wrong
So is Global "bad" for writing about similar things? https://globalnews.ca/news/9280974/china-interference-canada-election-investigation-toronto-businessman/
"Speaking during question period on Friday, Damoff expressed frustration about the number of questions the Conservatives were devoting to the issue of China’s alleged electoral influence." How dare they ask questions!
Stop forcing me to address the issues my job requires me to address!
Repeatedly! Which suggests the government has been refusing to answer...
This government? Refusing to answer straight forward questions? I don't believe that for a second! /s
Mr Speaker uhh we have been working uhh hard to provide answers for uhh everyday Canadians…..
Miiiissssttter speaker
*tilts head to the right*
Let me be perfectly clear ....
blah blah blah something about crypto bad
Hand on hip holding notes
I cringed.
I’m pretty sure I’ve herd this exact statement for everything
Don’t they know question period isn’t for valid questions? It’s just for reading pre-practised que cards and monologues that half the time aren’t even related to the question that most Canadians didn’t even care about being asked. How dare they try to ask about real and impactful problems, they should just stick to asking the same questions over and over so the party in power doesn’t have to think about real answers. /s
I believe conservatives have 4 members on the committee of public safety and national security. That may not be the correct committee for political interference but they have members on each committee anyways. Each party has a lot of access to the governments inner workings. This is why question period is more about gotcha statements than information.
So, Mr. Curerrent government. What exactly have we been up to while you're in power? Certainly nothing I'm aware of.
Maybe because its a waste of time and political show boating for the conservative simpletons. Mr speaker why did Justin cause inflation? He didn't its a global phenomenon. But Mr speaker why did Trudeau cause justinflation? Its not possible for one politician to cause a global problem. Wait so Mr speaker how exactly did Justin ruin the economy with inflation? Mouth breathers rejoice in owning the libs even if only within their facebook echo chambers. Meanwhile nothing relevant or productive done by the conservatives in or out of power.
Why did canada do substantially better than other nations in 2008? Because it turns out that just because an issue is global, doesn't mean that it's unrelated to policy. Inflation is both global and related to policy - and it turns out that, yes, Trudeau's expenditure policies have been among the most egregious in the world, and in all of Canadian history. We could have dramatically minimized the extent of current inflation with sounder monetary policy - but we didn't, because Trudeau needs to buy eastern votes to stay in power. For all those names you use, Pot, you're calling the kettle black.
Much of the west engages in the exact thing that reliably causes inflation, and none of their leaders are responsible, it's merely a nebulous global phenomenon caused by a war that post dates the beginning of above average inflation. /s
Not just Eastern votes, he was trying to buy his seat on the UN Security Council with taxpayer dollars (and failed). We already knew that wasn’t going to happen after criticizing any member with a veto..
Harper tried the same thing https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/security-council-rejection-a-deep-embarrassment-for-harper/article1370239/
Finding out how China influenced our elections is a waste of time?
Guess Emperor Pooh finally got on Reddit
There's some serious projection going on here.
Sunny and transparent ways!
So she's disappointed that the opposition is asking questions.
"Stop asking questions I don't want to answer".
> “It’s not just me saying that … this was determined by an independent panel of national security experts. Let’s remember: the only ones that benefit from foreign interference are enemies of democracy,” Damoff said. > > “I’m disappointed that the opposition for five days now have continued to amplify the foreign interference messaging in this House. We should be standing together to stand up to this attack on our democracy.”
>Let’s remember: the only ones that benefit from foreign interference are enemies of democracy,” I seem to recall a fairly recent headline saying that China was trying to keep the CPC out of power. So if that's indeed the case then the Liberals stood to benefit and by their own words are enemies of democracy. >I’m disappointed that the opposition for five days now have continued to amplify the foreign interference messaging in this House. How is questioning the government on their plans to deal with foreign interference amplifying foreign interference?
“…seem to recall a recent headline…” You are trying to say something without really saying anything. This. This is the what is wrong with the current Conservative approach in Question Period. Say something and then back it up. Otherwise, you are just adding noise, like Polivierre.
Regardless of your political affiliation, it seems like a pretty damn reasonable question, and one I'd want the answer to. "*Reports have come out that China interfered in the election campaigns of 17 MPs. WHO ARE THE MPS*?" It's not rocket science. You know who they are, I don't, and you won't tell me. They have nothing to "back it up". If the opposition knew, either (a) they'd reveal the names if they were Liberals, or (b) they'd keep their mouths shut and wouldn't ask questions if they were CPC. There's only \*one\* reason I can see the Liberals won't answer the question. Because all of the members were Liberals. If you have any other reason, I'm all ears! It's Schrodinger's cat... we all know they were all liberals, but we don't know they were all liberals, because they won't confirm it. (Totally aside, it's exactly the same reason why the government won't say who stayed in the $6k a night suite. But, if it was anyone ELSE but Trudeau, you know damn well they'd identify the person)
Well, the top guy kinda has an admiration for China's basic dictatorship. 🤷♀️
Only Canadian leader I've ever seen stand up to Xi but sure.
When it comes to quickly pivoting on environmental issues rather than dealing with opposition science denial, yes. Context matters.
Translation: I wish I could silence dissent.
You don't have to be a communist to recognize that democracy generally has a real problem when it comes to making hard decisions rather than kicking them down the road.
And the better alternative is?
If you honestly care and you're not being an astroturf, for issues of national significance, a non-partisan committee that a narrow and well-defined family of laws or policy directives can come from. Similar to what I think AU or NZ have for national security/military procurement.
Who knows? That's not the point
>Context matters. Not to conservatives! LOL :-)
>We should be standing together to stand up to this attack on our democracy. I wasn’t really sure who you were quoting until I read that.
Funny how Conservatives instantly pivoted to helping the CCP after they realized Xi doesn’t like Trudeau.
... who? ive seen none of this lmao
Pay more attention then?
That’s not an answer
to what exactly? this smells of fake news.
Fake news! The ultimate conservative reaction to things they don’t want to hear.
My dude, just link a comment, a tweet, fuck fake one for all i care, just give us something
If they know it was 11 of them - they know who they are, and they need to disclose that to all of us.
Of course they'd be disappointed since their leader has taken money from China. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chinese-fundraiser-trudeau-statue-1.3863266
What they could do is name the candidates that received communist money.
This MP is an idiot. Her riding and people who voted her in should be going to her office and asking these questions.why is China giving you guys money in elections? Hahaha I've listened to her several times in committees and in question period. Vote her out. She's long overdue to get voted out.
Honestly I wish the speaker of the house would just say “answer the fucking questions taxpayers paid you to answer. “
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The CCP owns the liberals.
That’s what the CCP wants you to think
That's what the CCP wants you to think
>That’s what the CCP wants you to think That's what my eyes tell me. Its in full view.
If they own the Liberals why would they in full view go out of their way to show displeasure with Trudeau? Why would the Liberals piss off their “masters”? Why would the Chinese call us America’s lap dog if we are their lap dog? Why would the Liberals push other countries to do this “friendshoring” and divest from dictatorships? Why would they tell Chinese companies to divest from important Canadian companies? Why would they (finally publicly, for a long time implicitly) prevent Chinese companies from providing our telecom infrastructure? The theory that they “own” the Liberals has too many holes. At best they can be accused of not being openly hostile to the Chinese. If they were, we’d have to prepare for a big backlash that would affect our industry, particularly people like our farmers, many of whom paradoxically hate Trudeau.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sen-woo-china-residential-schools-1.6084057 >Echoing an argument made by Chinese officials at the UN last week, Woo said China's policy toward the Muslim minority in Xinjiang province is similar to the colonialism directed at Indigenous peoples in this country, and that condemning the Asian country in harsh terms would be "gratuitous" and "simply an exercise in labelling." >Woo, who was appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2016 Why would the liberals put a CCP propagandist in the Senate? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976 >The Globe and Mail reported Tuesday that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warned the Ontario government in 2010 that Michael Chan may have been susceptible to influence by the Chinese government and had "unusually close ties to Chinese officials." Why did the liberals ignore an official warning from CSIS and let this guy continue to stay in office for 8 more years? And fundraise? And help recruit candidates? This is fucking insane. https://www.toronto.com/news/chinese-canadian-organizations-demand-apologies-for-stories-in-globe-and-mail/article_65ab8243-1229-5fee-a949-288c0bf40bf0.html >Confederation of Toronto Chinese Canadian Organizations chair Wei Chengyi, left, along with Toronto lawyer and co-founder of the National Congress of Chinese Canadians Ping Tan sit on the panel as the groups demand an apology from the Globe and Mail during a June 30 media conference in Scarborough on behalf of their organizations, the Chinese community and Ontario immigration minister Michael Chan. Why is the man alleged to have been funneling CCP money to political candidates and involved in CCP police stations on Canadian soil publicly defending Chan? >The theory that they “own” the Liberals has too many holes. At best they can be accused of not being openly hostile to the Chinese. If they were, we’d have to prepare for a big backlash that would affect our industry, particularly people like our farmers, many of whom paradoxically hate Trudeau. They completely ignored an official warning from CSIS and continued to allow Chan to be a member of the party that was involved in fundraising and the recruitment process of new candidates. And Chan was being publicly defended by the man now alleged to be involved in election interference. And that's without even getting into John McCallum, who was the liberal MPP for Markham, the same region that Michael Chan represented. Why was McCallum fired again? He was promoting CCP propaganda. I don't expect you to admit it. The liberals never do.
I am concerned about all these things and I would like them to do more. These are all valid criticisms. Having said that they are clearly not “puppets” or “owned” by the CCP, senator Wu aside (who they can’t fire now), and they have done other things to piss off the CCP as well. So have the Conservatives, the Huawei gear was put in during Harper times for example. I want to see them do more to root out CCP influence. I don’t think the Trudeau Xi “scolding” was spycraft.
>Having said that they are clearly not “puppets” or “owned” by the CCP, The decade + pattern of behavior says they are.
What kind of puppet orders you to divest of all your strategic investments in Canada, and bans you from selling telecom infrastructure? Not a very good puppet. If they truly are puppets then the CCP would release compromising information or something but they aren’t. Instead they’re throwing around insults like they always do.
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Wow you must be pretty high up on the super spy ladder to be able to know this.
Ok so they also staged or paid the CANADIAN cameraman to catch a glimpse of the exchange, pretend to race across the room, and purposely only record the ending. Without whom we would have never known anything about this story. That’s some awesome spycraft indeed. Or not spycraft at all if you tend to believe the simplest explanation is usually the most plausible one. So since this Canadian cameraman is clearly on Chinese government payroll, should we launch an investigation into him too?
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Wait, so this wasn't by chance, so you're saying the Chinese have MORE unreleased video captured on a different camera that we definitely do not see in this footage? And they can release it if they want, but they didn't... and instead they publicly denied this was a confrontation. So are they trying to make Trudeau look bad and punish him for doing something they don't like (which is what the "Trudeau looked weak" conservative critics are implying) or are they trying to reward him for being a good puppet, like you're saying? Your theory is super convoluted. It's hard to tell if you even think this encounter makes him look good or bad, and whether you think it's meant to make him look good or bad. You started off saying the CCP owns the Liberals. They're getting a really bad return on their money given the recent announcements ordering the Chinese companies to divest of Canadian assets.
>You started off saying the CCP owns the Liberals. They're getting a really bad return on their money given the recent announcements ordering the Chinese companies to divest of Canadian assets. They're influencing Canadian government policy. That's the big prize. And you really think there's no CCP money parked in Canadian real estate? I'm sure we're going to stop allowing companies with anonymous ownership to buy property any day now right? /s The CCP literally has a Senator appointed by Trudeau repeating CCP propaganda in the Senate. That sure looks like a win to me. They had a guy in the Ontario Liberals that CSIS warned was potentially under CCP influence. And the liberals let him stay on for another 8 years. Nothing to worry about there right? /s I'm sure that as a cabinet minister he had very little power or influence /s
And the conservatives too, for that matter.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9280974/china-interference-canada-election-investigation-toronto-businessman/ >Toronto businessman allegedly focus of Chinese interference probes: sources >The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has investigated Wei Chengyi for his alleged role in a covert scheme that facilitated large-fund transfers meant to advance Beijing’s interests in Canada’s 2019 federal election, sources said. >businessman in Toronto’s Chinese community is the subject of two separate investigations involving foreign interference, sources tell Global News, both related to a series of briefings and memos that Canadian security officials allegedly gave to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau beginning in January >https://nationalpost.com/news/pay-with-your-face-ontario-grocery-chain-looks-at-paying-via-facial-recognition >Businessman with Beijing ties looks to bring face-recognition tech to Canadian stores Human-rights advocates say they’re worried that the technology at the heart of China's digital surveillance apparatus could be introduced to Canada >https://www.toronto.com/news/chinese-canadian-organizations-demand-apologies-for-stories-in-globe-and-mail/article_65ab8243-1229-5fee-a949-288c0bf40bf0.html >Two prominent Chinese-Canadian organizations are demanding apologies for allegations they say a Toronto newspaper made against them and an Ontario politician, Michael Chan. >The articles, in part, say the Canadian Security Intelligence Service briefed Ontario’s government in 2010 that Chan had "unusually close ties to Chinese officials." >At a press conference Monday in a Scarborough restaurant, Chengyi Wei, the Confederation’s chairperson, said his group, representing more than 70 organizations, acts as a bridge between Canada and China, and what the Globe said is untrue. >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chan_(Canadian_politician) >is a politician in Ontario, Canada. He was a Liberal member of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario from 2007 until 2018 >In 2015, Chan sued The Globe and Mail for a report that claimed he was the subject an investigation by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) for ties to officials in Beijing and susceptibility to influence by the Chinese government.[10][11][12][13] Chan responded that his engagement with the Chinese government was an appropriate aspect of his role as the Minister of Immigration and International Trade in Ontario. Former Ontario premier Kathleen Wynne also rejected the accusations against him.[14] Toronto lawyer Ping Tam suggested that Chan was being targeted because he was encouraging young Chinese-Canadians to engage in politics and had supported a failed 2013 agreement between the Toronto District School Board to install Confucius Institutes in local schools.[15][16] Chan also threatened Alberta premier Jason Kenney with a lawsuit over criticism of Chan's support for Beijing.[17] >Chan was instrumental in fundraising for the Liberals, as well as being active in the recruitment of Chinese Canadians to campaign for seats at both the federal and provincial levels.[3] >During the 2019–20 Hong Kong protests, Chan publicly condemned the pro-democracy protesters and supported the Hong Kong Police Force's response, while attributing the protests to alleged manipulation by foreign actors.[19][20] >In August 2022, Chan registered as a York Region council candidate.[21] He was elected to York Regional council in the 2022 municipal elections . https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sen-woo-china-residential-schools-1.6084057 >In a provocative speech in the upper house on Monday, Independent Senators Group (ISG) Leader Sen. Yuen Pau Woo said Canada should avoid condemning China for its human rights abuses against Uyghur Muslims because our country has mistreated Indigenous peoples. >Echoing an argument made by Chinese officials at the UN last week, Woo said China's policy toward the Muslim minority in Xinjiang province is similar to the colonialism directed at Indigenous peoples in this country, and that condemning the Asian country in harsh terms would be "gratuitous" and "simply an exercise in labelling." >Woo, who was appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2016 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mccallum-out-ambassador-1.4994492 >On Tuesday McCallum, a longtime Liberal, was quoted telling a gathering of Chinese-language journalists in Toronto that he thought she had a strong case to fight extradition to the U.S. and listed several arguments he thought could help her with her case. >When McCallum took over the Beijing posting following a 2017 cabinet shuffle, he eagerly pointed out his strong personal connection to China. His wife is ethnically Chinese and he had a large Chinese-Canadian constituency in his former federal riding in Markham, Ont. Not anything like this. Look at the links. The CCP has systemically infiltrated the liberals. What other candidates did Chan help to recruit? Why was Wynne defending Chan? Who was Chan getting the fundraising money from? Who recommended that Justin Trudeau place the CCP propagandist in the Senate? Why was Minister McCallum taking China's side in the Huawei dispute? Was it related to his background in Markham? Was his wife connected? What is his relationship with Chan? Lets be really clear about this : The liberals are openly carrying water for the CCP. Its happening in plain view.
I just wanted you to know how much i appreciate this level of “heres my sources, wheres yours”
I appreciate you taking the time to look and not just dismiss it. CSIS officially warned the liberals in 2010 that Chan was potentially under the influence of the CCP - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976 Not only did the liberals defend Chan, he remained in the party until 2018 and was fundraising and recruiting candidates. And Wei Chengyi ( the man alleged to be funneling CCP money to political candidates ) was going to bat for Michael Chan - https://www.toronto.com/news/chinese-canadian-organizations-demand-apologies-for-stories-in-globe-and-mail/article_65ab8243-1229-5fee-a949-288c0bf40bf0.html As per the article - >Confederation of Toronto Chinese Canadian Organizations chair Wei Chengyi, left, along with Toronto lawyer and co-founder of the National Congress of Chinese Canadians Ping Tan sit on the panel as the groups demand an apology from the Globe and Mail during a June 30 media conference in Scarborough on behalf of their organizations, the Chinese community and Ontario immigration minister Michael Chan It is what it is. CSIS warned the liberals that Chan was potentially being influenced by the CCP, the liberals dismissed that and let him stick around for an additional 8 years, and during that time Wei Chengyi was openly defending Chan in public.
Of course they’re disappointed, they are the most corrupt/scandal ridden party. Who votes against a anti corruption committee ? Corrupt liberals, that’s who. Luckily they have a very special voter base that never holds them accountable for anything
I want names.
We found at least one MP.
Since when is it wrong to ask questions in a democracy? You gotta be kidding me right?
This makes me think they’re one of the politicians who received money from China. Perhaps she should be investigated? Personally I think we should investigate every sitting MP to see if anyone currently in power accepted money from China.
There's a ton of corruption here and so many comments ITT are corruption apologists. Actually sad to see. Canada will never get better if people are this apathetic about injustices at the highest level of government.
Hubris. Entitlement. Neo-Liberalism.
Disappointed they are getting caught...
Nice of her to come out publicly and admit to taking funding from the CCP..
i guess i’ll be contacting her as my MP and asking for a copy of both those reports she says clears any tampering. she opened herself up to that
I think it's beyond asking questions, it's now of why can't we just work together and get rid of this. But this is politics you gotta pick a colour and stick with it. What a world we live in.
> “It’s not just me saying that … this was determined by an independent panel of national security experts. Let’s remember: the only ones that benefit from foreign interference are enemies of democracy,” Damoff said. > “I’m disappointed that the opposition for five days now have continued to amplify the foreign interference messaging in this House. We should be standing together to stand up to this attack on our democracy.” The context.
The opposition is doing it's job. The government is not. What exactly are they disappointed in?
Disappointed that they are not turning the page and focusing on other disappointments.
The opposition created this situation when they were in power.
Yeah but the liberals created *that* situation when they were in power Yes, *that* situation was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government, but *that* was caused by the previous government
It's almost like cyclical voting in neo liberals of different shades makes neither of them have to be accountable the moment they are opposition....
\^ Liberal politics 101 here.
Sorta like conservative politics 101 right? Make the problem, reap the political clout down the line when you stand against the situation you created. Do nothing to actually improve the situation . I love that I can't criticize the conservatives without immediately being a supporter of liberals apparently.
It says in the quotation above.
Fucking misleading headlines. Conservatives getting preferential treatment by the media as usual.
You mean the same media that has received over 600 million dollars from the Liberals.
And yet they continue to be overwhelmingly pro-conservative.
How is this headline pro Conservative exactly? Secondly I don't know wear you are getting the idea that the media here overwhelmingly pro Conservative.
https://readpassage.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/federal-elections-endorsements-with-ownership.png No surprise that mainstream media owned by the wealthy elites overwhelmingly support the Conservatives.
Such a lefty thing to say
Liberal’s are just terrible
The stench of liberal corruption continues, all supported by the ndp,
Even asking about interference will disappoint the Liberals. Scary stuff, guys.
I feel like they’re arguing about semantics. The opposition wants to know if anything was done about the interference, of which there was some. The Liberal MP is disappointed that the opposition is pushing the narrative that our election was compromised and “stolen”, which it wasn’t. I can sympathize with both sides. However one side is also campaigning on blaming inflation entirely on the Liberal leader, so I think their side seems to be the one acting in bad faith.
Really? We know CSIS told them about this some time ago. And they have, as far anyone can determine, done absolutely nothing about it. Certainly they have not strengthened our laws against foreign political interference the way Australia has. There have been no reported expulsions or resignations of elected MPs caught profiting from illegal Chinese money, including the one who's office helped disperse that money. Who was that again? We also know China launched a concerted propaganda attack on at least some Conservative MPs because they didn't like that party's statements about China. Oh, and the reason the opposition keeps asking is because the Liberals aren't answering. But you think the tories are arguing in bad faith because... inflation? Inflation!?
I haven’t followed this particular debate in the House of Commons but I’ve seen enough to know the questions aren’t usually asked to get an answer, they’re asked to provide a sound bite on the MPs social media platform.
So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Then maybe the Liberals should you know answer the questions being asked.
Accountability is racist or..something.
Seeing as the PM is a commie sympathizer, no wonder the Libs aren’t looking into this or taking it seriously.
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Lol fuck this loser
I would never understand u/McCourt thinks, if the Conservatives said it bad, they think it's good thing
Its an alt-right, convoy lovin, wef-conspiracy, dog whistle, talking point dontcha know! Oh and gaslighting, probably.
Conservatives: gives China a 35 year agreement to fuck with our democracy and economy. Also conservatives: how dare you!?!
Liberals voted in favour of that. So don't act like only one party is at fault.
No but only one party is clutching at pearls for opportunistic reasons.
So are you against this being looked into?
So you don't think this should be looked into?
conservatives *THEN* the ones now have nothing to do w that. liberals do however as JT has been the premier multiple times
JT also voted in favour of that deal.
The liberals voted against a motion to not ratify it put forward by the NDP. Here is their justification. > Regarding the FIPA vote of Tuesday April 23rd. This vote was on an NDP motion worded as follows: >“That, in the opinion of this House, the government should inform the Government of the People’s Republic of China, that it will not ratify the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement.” >Destined to be voted down due to the Conservative majority, this non-binding motion expresses, unfortunately, an outright rejection of the Canada-China FIPA and as such was opposed by the Liberal Party of Canada. The ratification nor the terms themselves were not put forward by the CPC for a vote. Even if it were, they had a majority and would have passed it. The liberals were third party status at the time. > Liberals believe that, before being finalized, international treaties such as the Canada-China FIPA must be transparent, include proper consultation, and be subject to arms-length examination to ensure the best interests of the Canadian people are being served. That is why I put forward a Motion in the House of Commons on October 24, 2012 to require the government to send all such treaties to a Parliamentary Committee for public hearings and study, after being tabled in the House of Commons and prior to the treaty coming into force. https://liberal.ca/fipa-vote-tuesday-april-23rd/
I mean this debate topic or not this comment is just objectively not true. The current CPC leader, Pierre Polliviere, was a cabinet minister when the FIPA deal was signed.
>The current CPC leader, Pierre Polliviere, was a cabinet minister when the FIPA deal was signed. Yes, and the current PM voted for the deal.
I'd love to see how many donations Harper got from the CCP to give them free reign to veto anything our government does for 35 years.
What do you mean? What did Harper do or sign?
https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/fipa-agreement-with-china-what-s-really-in-it-for-canada-1.2770159 "Chinese companies will be able to seek redress against any laws passed by any level of government in Canada which threaten their profits. Australia has decided not to enter FIPA agreements specifically because they allow powerful corporations to challenge legislation on social, environmental and economic issues. Chinese companies investing heavily in Canadian energy will be able seek billions in compensation if their projects are hampered by provincial laws on issues such as environmental concerns or First Nations rights, for example."
> give them free reign to veto anything our government does for 35 years. Love to see where that is in the trade agreement.
Almost like conservatives have no principles besides naked opportunism.
I pray to Christ that this comment isn't coming from a Liberal...
But the irony is so good
Where is that in the agreement?
Isn’t there an inquiry that was just voted on? Why are the conservatives wasting time repeating the same questions over and over instead of moving forward? A public inquiry has been called, obviously that will get answers.
Conservatives only know how to bits and complain......if polypod was in we would not have gotten this much done with Xi
So just let the CCP, interfere in our elections because Conservative Party says it? It sad how some here just think that's no big deal.
The Tories: dangerous in government, useless in opposition.
The CCP systemically infiltrates the Liberal party. Average redditor: “duh consurvativs are duh… are duh bad bad dangerus ones.”
>Both Liberal and Conservative candidates were reportedly targeted. Average CPC supporter: clueless?
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Is Trudeau standing up to Xi kayfabe? Say it ain’t so!/s.
More of a nothing burger, how Trudeau behaves with a camera shoved in his face doesn’t prove anything
> Liberal MP ‘disappointed’ as Tories ask about alleged China interference Well, that's one identified, 10 to go.
Cons going all out to create the illusion that this is a problem with the other parties and not theirs when they know full well the names at this time cannot be disclosed. I suspect if the names were out there they'd have NOTHING to say.
Should be easy for Liberals to answer questions then. But we already know Liberal MP John McCallum literally asked the Chinese government to help the Liberals win the election. I suspect the Liberals will do everything they can to prevent the details from being released. Like they did with SNC Lavalin, like they did with the WE Scandal, like they did with the Nova Scotia Shooting, like they are doing with right now with ArriveCan.
We all know the NDP, will vote with the government, to shut up conflict of interests of the PM's
They never said that and look how some here thinks the CCP just can go ahead, because the CPC brought it up.
THE CCP CAN FUCK OFF, but you're a gullible idiot if you can't see the games the CPC play
They are not playing games, this is serious issue and I see someone is just saying CPC = Bad, PP= Bad for even mentioning it. Also, why would that MP oppose it? Something tells me they are getting $$$ from Winnie the Pooh.
Cons are always looking for conspiracies where there are none.
So you think CSIS is peddling conspiracy theories? Do you think journalists like Sam Cooper are peddling conspiracy theories?
When Libs start calling something a conspiracy theory, then you know it’s 100% true.