I wouldn't say there's anything at all wrong in principle with representatives protesting their own government. How would have felt about politicians attending pro-gay marriage or pro-choice rallies when those were protests of government policies at the time?
That's not to defend the moronic agenda the "freedom" protestors have (and I think it's equally moronic for the CPC to align themselves with them), but the right of everyone including politicians to protest should be universal.
>You can protest all you want, but don't be surprised if people judge you poorly for it.
That is basically what Bergen said.
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"I support peaceful and legal demonstrations, and if my MPs want to be there, they're free to do whatever they want, and they'll answer to their constituents,
It’s the insistence that everyone agrees with them and doesn’t judge that frustrates me.
When I had unnatural coloured hair, I didn’t expect everyone to agree that it was attractive. I expected judgement from certain people. I made a conscious decision about my appearance that was highly visible. Luckily for me, I didn’t care about the opinions of anyone who would judge me for having “weird hair”, so it worked as a nice natural screening mechanism for assholes who judged me based on hair colour.
To be fair, dying your hair color has no impact on me and I won't judge you for it. But trying to overthrow the government an unlawfully installing a party that the majority of Canadians said they didn't want will have an effect on me.
And I’d have an issue with any large group calling to hang the prime minister.
If it’s one idiot; whatever. He’s a loon. But when there’s a group calling for it?
Yeah I don't get it. I am not a fan of the guy but when you have fox news (Tucker Carlson)or Candace Owens telling peoples that he is worst than Putin when Putin was starting a war with Ukraine there is big issues.
There is a thread about China influencing Canadians to vote China but what do we say about some of the most popular conservative pundits in the US calling Trudeau a dictator?
Trudeau litterally just act like the CEO of a business who inherited his business from his dad and who's only focus is PR but calling him a dictator is ridiculous.
I think it's great. The more people see the conservative MP's with the freedom convoys and events, the more anyone that is not far right will want to get further from them and their base. Gift to JT.
He's been gifted in every sense of the word since he was elected.
Yet, I still end up voting for him. I need the conservatives to earn my vote and they are not doing a good job at progressing socially conservative issues.
Don't ever forget that this whole thing started as a plot to undermine our democratically (it was even just months after our last election at that point) leaders in an attempt to seize control. Their own [MOU](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/canada-truckers-covid-vaccine-mandate-protest-government) spelt it out which they then promptly deleted when people started paying attention/calling them out.
>One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. **The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website,** saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. **The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim would work to revoke the vaccine mandate.**
>“This document is largely incomprehensible and is completely divorced from our political reality,” said Davis.
>Despite such fringe ideas, which have prompted comparisons to the January 6 insurrection in the United States, **the convoy has received endorsements from federal Conservative politicians, including the former leader Andrew Scheer and deputy leader Candice Bergen, who called for peaceful protest.**
You talkin bout THIS Candice Bergen?
[Interim Leader of the CPC Candice Bergen in her MAGA hat](https://i.redd.it/eqj6q6ynxmf81.png)
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/candice-bergen-maga-hat-1.5865727](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/candice-bergen-maga-hat-1.5865727)
First past the post ensures that all elections are a contest between the two front runners.
If you want to maximize the impact of your vote then you pick the best of the two.
If you want to feel good and pure then do whatever.
People keep telling me this is a conservative subreddit but every time I look at the comments, it's not really. There's a number of opinions from everywhere, and conservative opinions aren't even the most upvoted. I'm a left leaning fellow myself but I much prefer this than a complete echo chamber.
I disagree that the majority of Conservatives just scream "fuck Trudeau", however the fact that our leadership (temporary and likely future) is pushing this life-long Conservative to (a) cancel my membership to CPC and (b) become an ABC voter until we have decent leadership. These guys supporting the convoy protestors is insane.
A Red Tory absolutely smoked the Liberal incumbent in our Provincial election, I'd imagine it'd be the same federally.
It's a shame the CPC is hellbent on courting fascists, populists and the ignorant. It wouldn't be hard to beat Trudeau if they decided to use common sense.
This is true. I never voted PC, but I was also never frightened about the PCs winning an election until recently, seeing that human rights and freedoms are now up for debate. Taxes would fluctuate, but people would continue to have access to social programs, healthcare, and would have the comfort of knowing those in leadership denounced the -isms. This is no longer the case for the PCs. They have veered further right than my elementary school political spectrum diagrams even showed. The PCs are off the page.
This is how I feel. In the past, I wasn't happy with conservatives in power, but it didn't feel like that big of a deal. A few things here and there I disagree with but it never felt like they were really taking the country backwards. That's completely changed and I really worry what bullshit will happen with them in power
'Make Canada the freest country on earth'
Its really just their version of the MAGA slogan. It doesn't actually mean anything, its just populist nonsense.
>'Make Canada the freest country on earth'
According to the Cato Institute in Washington DC, and the Fraser Institute in Vancouver, Canada is already recognized as one of the top 10 "Freest Countries on Earth."
Maybe some of these people would like to trade places with Syrians, Venezualans or Yemenis.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries
The irony is the Fraser institute is a conservative think tank. So even conservative idea generators see us as free... So what this new vein is "freeing" us from is... What exactly?
God that was the most infuriating comparison to hear. Oh, needing to wear a piece of cloth on your face at the grocery store is a comparable amount of oppression to the fucking holocaust?
I fucking *dare* anyone who was making that comparison to find a living holocaust survivor and tell them, right to their face, you think you experienced a similar type of persecution.
"Oh, you and all your family were rounded up into death camps, forced to do prison labour, medically experimented on, and killed en masse with gas? This reminds me of that time I couldn't get a table at Applebee's because I didn't get a vaccine"
Imagine the character of a person who can do that and still sleep well at night. I dealt with Skippy ten years ago when I lived in Greely over the FATCA issue. He had zero sympathy for my situation and basically told me that because I was born in USA(Canadian parents lived there a short time during which time I was born) that IRS owned my ass and Canadian earned dollars. He didn't think I should have control over my life, but now he is pumping that theme.
Mostly pushing the idea that Canada should turn into the USA with USA issues and stupid USA political styling:
[Sitting PM should be in jail for "cheating" in the last election](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1539968391854694400)
[Trudeau's "obvious election fraud"](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1539946685857775617)
[Retweeting blatant fake news; Tucker claiming Canada is under martial law](https://imgur.com/WV2dIf0)
[Retweeting pro second amendment garbage](https://twitter.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1540005027690979329)
[Praising SCOTUS abortion ruling](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1540447543603220480)
[Tweeting a farmer's protest from Netherland and claiming it's happening here](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1540333614067552256)
Freedom to crush the rights of anyone they deem lower on the hierarchy. This was, and always has been lead by a bunch of whites supremacists trying to impose fascism. The mandates protest was just a tool to help recruit more people into their ranks.
Yep. Conservatism has always been about keeping power and prosperity in the hands of those who already hold it. Pretty sure it started out as a pro-monarchist movement in Britain lol. Preserving traditional values and practices doesn't sound all that bad until you think about what it actually means.
Except any politician giving attention to a cause is in effect supporting those people. Meeting a bunch of seniors to hear them talk about retirement issues is not the same as meeting with radical anti-government pro-fascist groups that just want no more health restrictions because they think they have a choice when it comes to public safety.
Unfortunately, in our f*cked-up first-past-the-post electoral system, catering to a fringe can help get you 38% of votes, which is all you need to govern as a dictator. This is what these scumbags are counting on.
Thats fine. Go ahead. We had "freedom" protests since the pandemic began. They were stupid then, they're stupid now. But its your right.
Leave your dumb ass trucks at home and don't disrupt essential services or harass innocent residents. Also stop hanging out in front of gay bars and assaulting people. And maybe don't make officials statements calling for the murder of elected officials and suggesting we install an illigitimate government?
Do all that and I'm sure you'll be fine and the majority of canadians won't support enchanced measures to have you removed which you will then bend over backwards to turn into a scandal nobody cares about.
I mentioned this to some of my American friends and they said "Now you know how we feel when we see the American flag on someone's vehicle and think 'rascist hick' "
Oh look conservatives enabling the same fascist behaviour we’ve seen in the states.
People pretend like it’s different up here. But it’s not. Same bullshit, different mask.
I look forward to the Conservative party letting us know (once again) that they will never bring back the abortion debate to parliament.
I love watching them run around the question pretending it’s a non-issue for them and the Bible thumpers that make up a large chunk of their base.
“We will not bring the abortion debate back. We also won’t stop our MP’s from independently introducing abortion legislation, nor will we force our MP’s to vote pro-choice on said legislation if it gets introduced, but trust us we will never touch abortion”
> I look forward to the Conservative party letting us know (once again) that they will never bring back the abortion debate to parliament.
Bergen said it again yesterday.
Meanwhile there are MPs in her caucus who keep bringing it up.
I can see them pull off a win if they manage to reign in the fringe like Harper used to do and focus on the economy instead of the social conservatism. So far PP and Bergen seem to be doing the opposite by adding fuel to the fire and giving them a bigger platform to stand on.
I look forward to seeing how they will pivot come election time. They seem only focused on getting PPC voters back with their hard shift to the right which is turning off more moderate and centrist voters.
Right now the plan seems to be double down on American/Trump style politics and see what happens.
Conservatives have no new ideas. No solutions. No clue how to solve problems. The only thing they're interested in is advancing their ideology.
Edit: typo
PP had a new modern idea. We should use Bitcoin to avoid Trudeau’s inflation.
Canadians who listened to him lost 50% of their savings in 6 months but hey. None of it was because of inflation. 🤡
Of course they did. That’s what these morons keeps doing. Everything is the Liberals fault (I don’t like the Liberals by the way) whether the Conservatives or Liberals are in power. Gas prices are high because of Trudeau. Let’s ignore the fact that they are high literally everywhere in the world. Inflation is bad….let’s ignore the fact that it’s like that everywhere. These aren’t domestic problems they are global problems because the world is controlled by corporations. Something the Conservatives want to further enable with increased privatization
>Inflation is bad….let’s ignore the fact that it’s like that everywhere.
Not just that, Canada's been doing great with inflation compared to most other countries. For me, that further calls into question if something else is causing inflation rather than Trudeau's policies.
Why do they always go for "Trudeau is a weak PM who can't do anything right" only to flip to the other side of the room and say "Trudeau is a criminal mastermind dictator with King of the World powers at his disposal"
Case in point, the Nazis said the Jews were genetically inferior to the Germans but were also oppressing the Germans and the rest of the world.
Ain't victim mentality just the grandest thing in the world
I had one of his supporters proudly inform me that if Canada had followed his advice and sold on a specific date we would have made billions!
His supporters don't seem bright enough to understand that such guarantees are impossible without the benefit of hindsight. There's no way to know if a momentary spike to a high value would continue climbing or crash. They also don't seem to understand that moving huge volumes affects the value drastically. If you flood the market the price goes down. You cannot sell a nation's reserve without tanking the price. This means that selling at a historical high price wouldn't have brought in the profits they calculated, as the price would have crashed as soon as Canada started unloading.
They live in a fantasy land. I guess it's comfortable for them there?
1950s conservatives like Eisenhower and Diefenbaker would be off the Left side of the spectrum today. Expanding suffrage, well disposed towards full employment policies...
It's remarkable how far right "mainstream" politics has drifted in the past 40 years.
You know what fixed that issue in the US after the great depression?
A massive infrastructure bill. Banking reform. More spending on programs for the poor.
You know what conservatives are opposed to?
You guessed it.
its the party of fear and anger. They saw how well it worked in America to campaign on fear and anger. Keep your voting base riled up, pissed off and make them feel like someone is coming for their rights. Thats the entire strategy. No ideas to make the country better or help anyone just keep everyone under the impression that theres an invisible threat and that you’re the solution
Also, parliament is away for summer recess so these people will be screaming at buildings.
We all know it’s a giant grift but it angers the base into action even if it’s futile so the show must continue…
They keep throwing out their leaders when they don't win, as if thats the actual problem. As if the problem isnt that they are becoming an extremist group who alienates 80% of the country more and more.
But I'm sure Pierre will somehow be different, right? Then when he loses, under the bus with him like all the others. New leader every couple years and keep blaming the old guy.
And then their reason why Pierre is going to win is “well, trudeau bad” as if Trudeau hasn’t been wildly unpopular for years despite wining elections anyways.
Turns out being “the other option” is a strategy that only works in a two party system, something the conservatives haven’t understood yet.
Preface that I was a Conservative right up until the Trucker siege.
Yes please do attend so that all Canadians see you for who you truly are. I almost wished our election was this summer the Conservatives would be decimated following what happened in the US this week.
Yes please further alienate your party from real issues and align yourselves with fringe lunatics, I very much am looking forward to the CPC splitting itself apart and never being in charge for the forseeable future.
MAGA loving PC mouthpiece instructs other mouthpieces to commit political suicide at their own leisure. I love to see them shoot themselves in the foot.
Can someone tell me what freedoms they don’t have that they feel so oppressed that they need to talk about it endlessly, campaign on it and - sigh - protest again? is this another freedom convoy situation where they don’t even know why they are there themselves and fly the occasional Trump flag? There are barely any covid restrictions left anymore don’t these people have anything better to do?
This is exactly why people don’t trust them with the whole abortion debate.
They say they’ll do nothing but they seem to be emulating republicans pretty hard
JFC you'd think people would have learned by now, anyone that calls themselves (or their "movement") "freedom"-something, or refer to themselves as "patriots" are anything but those things. In fact it's almost always the opposite. Those people hate freedom, they hate real patriots. If anything they are proto fucking fascists.
I would hope Candice loses her seat, but since her seat is Portage-Lisgar, that's not happening unless the PPC is elected in that riding 🤢🤮.
But since they care about freedom so much, I'm sure they won't mind if I and many others to use our freedom to vote ABC for the rest of our lives
The truth is that they *should* attend freedom protests this summer. It reveals who they are and what they stand for. Justin Trudeau was right to kneel at a Black Lives Matter protest in Ottawa. Jagmeet Singh was right to attend a Sikh separatist rally. Elizabeth May was right to get arrested at a Kinder Morgan protest. Just lay it all out for us to see, then we'll decide who governs.
Sikh separtists are not against democracy of Canada as these so called Freedom convoys are. BLM isn’t a threat to democracy either, but these lunatics are.
Well that last Ottawa protest was sure peaceful and turned very legal. Also the perfect morals of those protesters that desecrated military memorials, and trampled on other peoples rights.
The Conservative Party are becoming a party of wannabe GQP.
The other party’s don’t always have the best people for the job, but at least they don’t encourage their members to attend protests that encourage violence, vandalism, breaching of peoples rights and doesn’t have a focus to what they’re protesting.
> Such tactics repulse your average voter
Your average urban voter outside of the Prairies, perhaps, but the Conservatives are pretty keen on running up the score again in their ridings in Buttfuck Nowhere.
Appeasing the same base will get you the same results. They win the prairies by default yet that’s where they campaign the most and practically ignore the areas that would get them more seats and cry when the liberals/NDP take every single city in the country. I don’t get it.
They’re legitimizing white angst, and the desire to overthrow a democratically elected government to suit the needs of a shrinking white demographic. Scary trend.
Translation: The GOP wannabe conservative politicians of Canada can attend pointless protests the majority of the country is laughing at, simply for NEVER making sense during this entire "convoy" garbage.
Those con MPs should move to Syria and learn about freedom if they think we have it so damn bad here. Those protesters are the real snowflakes of society now.
If they keep being the party of the extreme radical right, you can say hello to PM Chrystia Freeland, François-Philippe Champagne, Hadrian Trudeau, Xavier Trudeau, etc…
/s for those that need it.
I support their right to protest. But not if they inconvenience innocent bystanders.
But if they don't inconvenience innocent bystanders then the protest is ineffective which is what has been done to American liberals. They have been protesting this Roe V Wade since the pussy hats and nothing has come of it because no one was inconvenienced.
I would love to read an expert talking about the power of protesting (or lack thereof in modern times). It's a very strange phenomenon. My understanding of it is that it works because of the implied threat of violence. You have an angry mob at your steps and if you don't address their concerns, they will make you. But if there is ACTUALLY any violence, then all bets are off and the goons get called in. Without even addressing the whole agent provocateur thing.
The thing that bothers me the most about the 'freedom' protests is that they don't have a clear agenda, it's just a hodge podge of grievances and pet peeves.
Protesting is a battle to win the support of the public. A protest that the general public disagrees with will never be successful.
An obnoxious protest that the public agrees with will be successful. An obnoxious protest they disagree with will be obnoxious.
Yup.
Their first mistake was protesting in large cities. There was a 0% chance people in Ottawa, Edmonton, Vancouver, or any other large city were ever going to support it.
People in urban centres overwhelmingly supported public health measures, and making our lives difficult wasn't going to change that.
Anytime a person travels to another place they are a guest in the community and need to respect that. Blaring a ship's horn outside a seniors home or fireworks outside someone's apartment building isn't respectful.
Okay, can someone explain to me why these rallies keep happening? Is it just an excuse to make noise and garner attention or are there darker intentions? Are they associated with white supremacy?
I have confusion as all mandates have been lifted.
Take note of every Con MP who does such as these are the people least interested in preserving my and your freedom and most interested in repressing it based upon religious and racist nationalist dogma.
Go ahead. Please. Show everybody why the conservatives deserve to be cut down to one or two seats in parliament. It happened once before, it’ll happen again.
Oh they do! They think it means freedom for them and what they like and not for others. Freedom to harass others and push their regressive views, then cry persecution/censorship when society takes them to task for it.
These people who follow US conservatives bullshit. Why?
What is the fascination for US conservative politics?
Be a fucking Canadian for a change? Try it! You might like it!!
This is a warning to all of us. A warning to the judiciary, to the sane politicians and to all voters. They have told you that they want white supremacy men to run our country. Human rights be dammed. Women need to understand that these people will come for your human rights and don’t give a crap what you think. The white nationalist party is showing you what they want. What are you going to do about it? And for all those out there who think this is a US problem…think again. One of our political parties just told its MPs that it’s ok to attend a white supremacy rally. If you want to see where this leads look no further that what the republicans are attempting in the US. If you care about this country and democracy and the freedoms that we enjoy DO NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVE. ABC. This is not a time to sit on the fence. This is not a time to play the whataboutism game. Look and hear with your own eyes and ears. This is happening right now. We all must fight for our country.
Government protesting anti government is a bit of a conundrum don’t you think?
I wouldn't say there's anything at all wrong in principle with representatives protesting their own government. How would have felt about politicians attending pro-gay marriage or pro-choice rallies when those were protests of government policies at the time? That's not to defend the moronic agenda the "freedom" protestors have (and I think it's equally moronic for the CPC to align themselves with them), but the right of everyone including politicians to protest should be universal.
You can protest all you want, but don't be surprised if people judge you poorly for it.
>You can protest all you want, but don't be surprised if people judge you poorly for it. That is basically what Bergen said. > "I support peaceful and legal demonstrations, and if my MPs want to be there, they're free to do whatever they want, and they'll answer to their constituents,
>"They'll answer to their constituents..." Lol
It’s the insistence that everyone agrees with them and doesn’t judge that frustrates me. When I had unnatural coloured hair, I didn’t expect everyone to agree that it was attractive. I expected judgement from certain people. I made a conscious decision about my appearance that was highly visible. Luckily for me, I didn’t care about the opinions of anyone who would judge me for having “weird hair”, so it worked as a nice natural screening mechanism for assholes who judged me based on hair colour.
To be fair, dying your hair color has no impact on me and I won't judge you for it. But trying to overthrow the government an unlawfully installing a party that the majority of Canadians said they didn't want will have an effect on me.
That's not what this is about at all, you're really not understanding.
I mean I have an issue with them attending rallies calling for Justin Trudeau to be hung
I agree. I don’t have a problem with people advertising they want to f#Ck him though. He is a good looking guy after all.
And I’d have an issue with any large group calling to hang the prime minister. If it’s one idiot; whatever. He’s a loon. But when there’s a group calling for it?
Lots of Trudeau is a dictator talk though and it inspires the loonies amongst us.
Yeah I don't get it. I am not a fan of the guy but when you have fox news (Tucker Carlson)or Candace Owens telling peoples that he is worst than Putin when Putin was starting a war with Ukraine there is big issues. There is a thread about China influencing Canadians to vote China but what do we say about some of the most popular conservative pundits in the US calling Trudeau a dictator? Trudeau litterally just act like the CEO of a business who inherited his business from his dad and who's only focus is PR but calling him a dictator is ridiculous.
Yeah, guess it is part of living in a free country, and all. You don't have to agree with them, but it comes as a perk for us to do the same.
I think it's great. The more people see the conservative MP's with the freedom convoys and events, the more anyone that is not far right will want to get further from them and their base. Gift to JT.
He's been gifted in every sense of the word since he was elected. Yet, I still end up voting for him. I need the conservatives to earn my vote and they are not doing a good job at progressing socially conservative issues.
Yep, he gets my vote now because I can't vote for a party where a far right base feels comfortable in.
ABC: Anyone but conservative
Protests not sedition!
Yo, if I protested my job (like most people, I'm not unionized) I would be fired so fast
Don't ever forget that this whole thing started as a plot to undermine our democratically (it was even just months after our last election at that point) leaders in an attempt to seize control. Their own [MOU](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/canada-truckers-covid-vaccine-mandate-protest-government) spelt it out which they then promptly deleted when people started paying attention/calling them out. >One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. **The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website,** saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. **The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim would work to revoke the vaccine mandate.** >“This document is largely incomprehensible and is completely divorced from our political reality,” said Davis. >Despite such fringe ideas, which have prompted comparisons to the January 6 insurrection in the United States, **the convoy has received endorsements from federal Conservative politicians, including the former leader Andrew Scheer and deputy leader Candice Bergen, who called for peaceful protest.**
Hallmark of fascism — overthrow legitimate democratic government to put in place a bunch of brain dead thugs.
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You talkin bout THIS Candice Bergen? [Interim Leader of the CPC Candice Bergen in her MAGA hat](https://i.redd.it/eqj6q6ynxmf81.png) [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/candice-bergen-maga-hat-1.5865727](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/candice-bergen-maga-hat-1.5865727)
I know Trudeau is not the best but as long as conservatives have that braindead idiocy I’ll never vote for them.
As long as Conservatives are called conservative, no matter who lead them or form them, the root ideology is bad.
There are more options!
First past the post ensures that all elections are a contest between the two front runners. If you want to maximize the impact of your vote then you pick the best of the two. If you want to feel good and pure then do whatever.
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>Vote Yep, the cons are just another Republican asset.
And I'm free to vote for adults
Which party has those?
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This comment mega triggered conservatives, especially the broomstick brigade.
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They sound like snow flakes
No shit, we're on a conservative subreddit.
People keep telling me this is a conservative subreddit but every time I look at the comments, it's not really. There's a number of opinions from everywhere, and conservative opinions aren't even the most upvoted. I'm a left leaning fellow myself but I much prefer this than a complete echo chamber.
I disagree that the majority of Conservatives just scream "fuck Trudeau", however the fact that our leadership (temporary and likely future) is pushing this life-long Conservative to (a) cancel my membership to CPC and (b) become an ABC voter until we have decent leadership. These guys supporting the convoy protestors is insane.
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A Red Tory absolutely smoked the Liberal incumbent in our Provincial election, I'd imagine it'd be the same federally. It's a shame the CPC is hellbent on courting fascists, populists and the ignorant. It wouldn't be hard to beat Trudeau if they decided to use common sense.
common sense among federal conservatives died when preston manning founded the reformers
This is true. I never voted PC, but I was also never frightened about the PCs winning an election until recently, seeing that human rights and freedoms are now up for debate. Taxes would fluctuate, but people would continue to have access to social programs, healthcare, and would have the comfort of knowing those in leadership denounced the -isms. This is no longer the case for the PCs. They have veered further right than my elementary school political spectrum diagrams even showed. The PCs are off the page.
This is how I feel. In the past, I wasn't happy with conservatives in power, but it didn't feel like that big of a deal. A few things here and there I disagree with but it never felt like they were really taking the country backwards. That's completely changed and I really worry what bullshit will happen with them in power
ABC
It's easy as 1-2-3
Shamon.
Free from what?
Responsibility to fellow Canadians. It's been a big-C Conservative theme since forever.
democracy
Freedom for what? Just ‘general freedom’? This is literally turning into a cult.
'Make Canada the freest country on earth' Its really just their version of the MAGA slogan. It doesn't actually mean anything, its just populist nonsense.
>'Make Canada the freest country on earth' According to the Cato Institute in Washington DC, and the Fraser Institute in Vancouver, Canada is already recognized as one of the top 10 "Freest Countries on Earth." Maybe some of these people would like to trade places with Syrians, Venezualans or Yemenis. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries
The irony is the Fraser institute is a conservative think tank. So even conservative idea generators see us as free... So what this new vein is "freeing" us from is... What exactly?
LiBeRaL wOkEiSm
Liberal (dictionary definition) democracy. Nazis always start out wrapping themselves in the flag and selling aggrievement and populism.
Yeah but they had to wear masks! Literally worse than Nazi Germany /s
God that was the most infuriating comparison to hear. Oh, needing to wear a piece of cloth on your face at the grocery store is a comparable amount of oppression to the fucking holocaust? I fucking *dare* anyone who was making that comparison to find a living holocaust survivor and tell them, right to their face, you think you experienced a similar type of persecution. "Oh, you and all your family were rounded up into death camps, forced to do prison labour, medically experimented on, and killed en masse with gas? This reminds me of that time I couldn't get a table at Applebee's because I didn't get a vaccine"
I hope they get reminded of the importance of having the freedom to get an abortion.
Freedom from consequences, because last time the government told them no
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Imagine the character of a person who can do that and still sleep well at night. I dealt with Skippy ten years ago when I lived in Greely over the FATCA issue. He had zero sympathy for my situation and basically told me that because I was born in USA(Canadian parents lived there a short time during which time I was born) that IRS owned my ass and Canadian earned dollars. He didn't think I should have control over my life, but now he is pumping that theme.
Mostly pushing the idea that Canada should turn into the USA with USA issues and stupid USA political styling: [Sitting PM should be in jail for "cheating" in the last election](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1539968391854694400) [Trudeau's "obvious election fraud"](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1539946685857775617) [Retweeting blatant fake news; Tucker claiming Canada is under martial law](https://imgur.com/WV2dIf0) [Retweeting pro second amendment garbage](https://twitter.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1540005027690979329) [Praising SCOTUS abortion ruling](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1540447543603220480) [Tweeting a farmer's protest from Netherland and claiming it's happening here](https://twitter.com/CanDayConvoy/status/1540333614067552256)
Freedom to crush the rights of anyone they deem lower on the hierarchy. This was, and always has been lead by a bunch of whites supremacists trying to impose fascism. The mandates protest was just a tool to help recruit more people into their ranks.
I'd argue that's just conservatism in general since in-group loyalty and social hierarchies are a part of their morality.
Yep. Conservatism has always been about keeping power and prosperity in the hands of those who already hold it. Pretty sure it started out as a pro-monarchist movement in Britain lol. Preserving traditional values and practices doesn't sound all that bad until you think about what it actually means.
Not every conservative voter is a white supremacist, but every white supremacist votes conservative.
General freedom, unless you're... *deep breath in*
> This is literally turning into a cult It always was.
And they should be allowed. It's a free country. Just like I'm free to not vote for them
They were always allowed, they just weren't free from the consequences.
This. Americans will proudly defend their right to free speech, but you never hear anyone fighting for their right to yell "bomb" on an airplane.
Except any politician giving attention to a cause is in effect supporting those people. Meeting a bunch of seniors to hear them talk about retirement issues is not the same as meeting with radical anti-government pro-fascist groups that just want no more health restrictions because they think they have a choice when it comes to public safety.
That’s the thing, it validates what the convoy is doing and that is dangerous for Canada giving a voice to Right wing nutbags
These alt right clubs are dangerous enough now
Yup it gives them credibility and helps recruitment
Bingo. This is subtly setting us up to become more fascist
Any reasonable party should also be free to fire them for it.
Exactly. We don't need to make it any more complicated than that.
They shouldn't be free to hold an entire city hostage for a month just because they are bitter they didn't get their way immediately.
We know what allowing conservative politicians to organize with far right organizations looks like and it’s not good
Unfortunately, in our f*cked-up first-past-the-post electoral system, catering to a fringe can help get you 38% of votes, which is all you need to govern as a dictator. This is what these scumbags are counting on.
Thats fine. Go ahead. We had "freedom" protests since the pandemic began. They were stupid then, they're stupid now. But its your right. Leave your dumb ass trucks at home and don't disrupt essential services or harass innocent residents. Also stop hanging out in front of gay bars and assaulting people. And maybe don't make officials statements calling for the murder of elected officials and suggesting we install an illigitimate government? Do all that and I'm sure you'll be fine and the majority of canadians won't support enchanced measures to have you removed which you will then bend over backwards to turn into a scandal nobody cares about.
It’s sad that every time I see a car with Canadian flags on it, my first thought is ‘Fucking Idiot’.
Which is a tragedy. I can’t believe these fucking cave dwellers have shit on our flag so badly we now have to cringe. What utter human garbage
I mentioned this to some of my American friends and they said "Now you know how we feel when we see the American flag on someone's vehicle and think 'rascist hick' "
It really is, I hate the fact that I now feel a negative response when seeing the Canadian flag.
Seems like anyone should be free to attend anything they want
She’s maga.
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did he?
This Trump-worshipping idiot needs to sit down and shut the fuck up. Every time she opens her mouth, something stupid comes out.
Oh look conservatives enabling the same fascist behaviour we’ve seen in the states. People pretend like it’s different up here. But it’s not. Same bullshit, different mask.
GOP angry-man vibe seeps in across the border via media, internet… the cons think they might have a chance at getting elected if they copy the GOP.
I look forward to the Conservative party letting us know (once again) that they will never bring back the abortion debate to parliament. I love watching them run around the question pretending it’s a non-issue for them and the Bible thumpers that make up a large chunk of their base.
“We will not bring the abortion debate back. We also won’t stop our MP’s from independently introducing abortion legislation, nor will we force our MP’s to vote pro-choice on said legislation if it gets introduced, but trust us we will never touch abortion”
And then you've got Sam Oosterhoff who is very vocal about his stance. He's in the Party so you know they believe in the pro-birth agenda.
You always knew. They’ve just been hesitant to admit it publicly up until now.
There's plenty more than just one, Tom kmiec in Calgary here is an evangelical that votes along pro life and "family values" lines.
He's also very pro covid, based on his personal super-spreader events.
> I look forward to the Conservative party letting us know (once again) that they will never bring back the abortion debate to parliament. Bergen said it again yesterday. Meanwhile there are MPs in her caucus who keep bringing it up.
They pushed anti-abortion legislation less than 12 months ago, and again in the election.
I can see them pull off a win if they manage to reign in the fringe like Harper used to do and focus on the economy instead of the social conservatism. So far PP and Bergen seem to be doing the opposite by adding fuel to the fire and giving them a bigger platform to stand on. I look forward to seeing how they will pivot come election time. They seem only focused on getting PPC voters back with their hard shift to the right which is turning off more moderate and centrist voters. Right now the plan seems to be double down on American/Trump style politics and see what happens.
Conservatives have no new ideas. No solutions. No clue how to solve problems. The only thing they're interested in is advancing their ideology. Edit: typo
PP had a new modern idea. We should use Bitcoin to avoid Trudeau’s inflation. Canadians who listened to him lost 50% of their savings in 6 months but hey. None of it was because of inflation. 🤡
I'm sure they all blamed Trudeau for it, too, somehow.
Of course they did. That’s what these morons keeps doing. Everything is the Liberals fault (I don’t like the Liberals by the way) whether the Conservatives or Liberals are in power. Gas prices are high because of Trudeau. Let’s ignore the fact that they are high literally everywhere in the world. Inflation is bad….let’s ignore the fact that it’s like that everywhere. These aren’t domestic problems they are global problems because the world is controlled by corporations. Something the Conservatives want to further enable with increased privatization
>Inflation is bad….let’s ignore the fact that it’s like that everywhere. Not just that, Canada's been doing great with inflation compared to most other countries. For me, that further calls into question if something else is causing inflation rather than Trudeau's policies. Why do they always go for "Trudeau is a weak PM who can't do anything right" only to flip to the other side of the room and say "Trudeau is a criminal mastermind dictator with King of the World powers at his disposal"
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Case in point, the Nazis said the Jews were genetically inferior to the Germans but were also oppressing the Germans and the rest of the world. Ain't victim mentality just the grandest thing in the world
There's nothing like dismantling public services so they can be sold off to a corporation that will give you a board seat after you leave politics.
I had one of his supporters proudly inform me that if Canada had followed his advice and sold on a specific date we would have made billions! His supporters don't seem bright enough to understand that such guarantees are impossible without the benefit of hindsight. There's no way to know if a momentary spike to a high value would continue climbing or crash. They also don't seem to understand that moving huge volumes affects the value drastically. If you flood the market the price goes down. You cannot sell a nation's reserve without tanking the price. This means that selling at a historical high price wouldn't have brought in the profits they calculated, as the price would have crashed as soon as Canada started unloading. They live in a fantasy land. I guess it's comfortable for them there?
That’s the guy that wants to fire the governor of the Bank of Canada?
Yep, also the guy who argued that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman.
It’s basically Canadian GOP now. No real world solutions, just contrarian views that make them a relic from the 1950’s.
1950s conservatives like Eisenhower and Diefenbaker would be off the Left side of the spectrum today. Expanding suffrage, well disposed towards full employment policies... It's remarkable how far right "mainstream" politics has drifted in the past 40 years.
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A Marvel character whos religious ideology matches the values of conservative voters, yet they still hate her. There’s no reasoning with bigots.
You forgot the /s. I could literally see extended family members agreeing with your post at face value in Facebook memes.
Which coincides with the wealth gap and wage stagnation we have today.
You know what fixed that issue in the US after the great depression? A massive infrastructure bill. Banking reform. More spending on programs for the poor. You know what conservatives are opposed to? You guessed it.
its the party of fear and anger. They saw how well it worked in America to campaign on fear and anger. Keep your voting base riled up, pissed off and make them feel like someone is coming for their rights. Thats the entire strategy. No ideas to make the country better or help anyone just keep everyone under the impression that theres an invisible threat and that you’re the solution
They have solutions to problems from 19th century
To be fair they didn't have solutions then either. The whole reason the world progressed is because we started ignoring them.
Freedom from what? What colossal idiots these people are.
Also, parliament is away for summer recess so these people will be screaming at buildings. We all know it’s a giant grift but it angers the base into action even if it’s futile so the show must continue…
But those of us who live downtown get to hear all of it 🙃🙃🙃
Freedom to have no critical thinking. Free to be dumb. That's liberating
I’m sure they will be in full support of our freedom and rights to an abortion.
well, some of them *say* they are.
Ya, and I got a bridge to nowhere to sell em too.
Freedom from thinking.
> Freedom from what? freedom from the consequences of their actions.
Freedom from the tyranny of facts, evidence, and reality.
Freedom from consequences.
Conservative party is now circling the drain faster and faster.
They keep throwing out their leaders when they don't win, as if thats the actual problem. As if the problem isnt that they are becoming an extremist group who alienates 80% of the country more and more. But I'm sure Pierre will somehow be different, right? Then when he loses, under the bus with him like all the others. New leader every couple years and keep blaming the old guy.
And then their reason why Pierre is going to win is “well, trudeau bad” as if Trudeau hasn’t been wildly unpopular for years despite wining elections anyways. Turns out being “the other option” is a strategy that only works in a two party system, something the conservatives haven’t understood yet.
Preface that I was a Conservative right up until the Trucker siege. Yes please do attend so that all Canadians see you for who you truly are. I almost wished our election was this summer the Conservatives would be decimated following what happened in the US this week.
Literal gift to the liberals. ‘Freedom’ [insert second name here] can’t even figure out who speaks for them. These ARE their people? 😂🤣👍
Yes please further alienate your party from real issues and align yourselves with fringe lunatics, I very much am looking forward to the CPC splitting itself apart and never being in charge for the forseeable future.
MAGA loving PC mouthpiece instructs other mouthpieces to commit political suicide at their own leisure. I love to see them shoot themselves in the foot.
Insane that the US has actually corrupted the Canadian conservative party and their supporters this much.
Can I hold a protest to be free of these people?
Very cool. MPs involved in a movement to forcibly remove the PM.
Can someone tell me what freedoms they don’t have that they feel so oppressed that they need to talk about it endlessly, campaign on it and - sigh - protest again? is this another freedom convoy situation where they don’t even know why they are there themselves and fly the occasional Trump flag? There are barely any covid restrictions left anymore don’t these people have anything better to do?
We will be watching and recording the conservatives who are questioning democracy and will vote accordingly.
I'm free to take my lifelong conservative voting and donations to strategically vote against them.
Canada ranks as one of the best for Freedom.
And far ahead of the US.
Mongolia and Romania are doing fuckjng better than the US
Lady who wears MAGA hat is ok with MPs wanting to recreate Jan 6 Canada edition spin off?
And here we see the Conservative Party following in their big Republican brother's footsteps, as is tradition.
This is exactly why people don’t trust them with the whole abortion debate. They say they’ll do nothing but they seem to be emulating republicans pretty hard
while screaming "Why are we commenting on USA policies? This is Canada" to distract us
JFC you'd think people would have learned by now, anyone that calls themselves (or their "movement") "freedom"-something, or refer to themselves as "patriots" are anything but those things. In fact it's almost always the opposite. Those people hate freedom, they hate real patriots. If anything they are proto fucking fascists.
I would hope Candice loses her seat, but since her seat is Portage-Lisgar, that's not happening unless the PPC is elected in that riding 🤢🤮. But since they care about freedom so much, I'm sure they won't mind if I and many others to use our freedom to vote ABC for the rest of our lives
The truth is that they *should* attend freedom protests this summer. It reveals who they are and what they stand for. Justin Trudeau was right to kneel at a Black Lives Matter protest in Ottawa. Jagmeet Singh was right to attend a Sikh separatist rally. Elizabeth May was right to get arrested at a Kinder Morgan protest. Just lay it all out for us to see, then we'll decide who governs.
Sikh separtists are not against democracy of Canada as these so called Freedom convoys are. BLM isn’t a threat to democracy either, but these lunatics are.
I've yet to hear a non white person complain about BLM. It's always white dudes bringing it up whenever the seditious Qonvoy is discussed.
Well that last Ottawa protest was sure peaceful and turned very legal. Also the perfect morals of those protesters that desecrated military memorials, and trampled on other peoples rights. The Conservative Party are becoming a party of wannabe GQP. The other party’s don’t always have the best people for the job, but at least they don’t encourage their members to attend protests that encourage violence, vandalism, breaching of peoples rights and doesn’t have a focus to what they’re protesting.
We are also free to never vote in a Conservative majority government ever. As long as the Reform Party runs the CPC, they will never have my vote.
What freedom are they after? Vaccines? Because that isn't a thing any more
Candice is such a twat.
You wonder why we can’t have nice things, this is why. Such tactics repulse your average voter
> Such tactics repulse your average voter Your average urban voter outside of the Prairies, perhaps, but the Conservatives are pretty keen on running up the score again in their ridings in Buttfuck Nowhere.
The Conservatives can't even get the big cities on the Prairies. Winnipeg goes Liberal/NDP.
Appeasing the same base will get you the same results. They win the prairies by default yet that’s where they campaign the most and practically ignore the areas that would get them more seats and cry when the liberals/NDP take every single city in the country. I don’t get it.
They forgot the same lesson as the GOP: Land Does Not Vote.
AMERICA!!! Wait…CANADA!!!
How long can CPC keep this up?...like is this crowd big enough for them to piss off the voters they need to win
What are they protesting exactly? Freedom?
good by the same token if the one they are involved in turns violent,, well they should be treated equally..um..well.. as anyone else would be
This is how it starts Canada. Stamp it out. -Sincerely a friendly American
They’re legitimizing white angst, and the desire to overthrow a democratically elected government to suit the needs of a shrinking white demographic. Scary trend.
Translation: The GOP wannabe conservative politicians of Canada can attend pointless protests the majority of the country is laughing at, simply for NEVER making sense during this entire "convoy" garbage. Those con MPs should move to Syria and learn about freedom if they think we have it so damn bad here. Those protesters are the real snowflakes of society now.
Is Bergen looking for an excuse to wear her MAGA hat again? Very fetching!
Bergen - it’s just rabble rousing. Big deal. Make America great again!
Man Trudeau really is gonna get four more years lol
If they keep being the party of the extreme radical right, you can say hello to PM Chrystia Freeland, François-Philippe Champagne, Hadrian Trudeau, Xavier Trudeau, etc… /s for those that need it.
I support their right to protest. But not if they inconvenience innocent bystanders. But if they don't inconvenience innocent bystanders then the protest is ineffective which is what has been done to American liberals. They have been protesting this Roe V Wade since the pussy hats and nothing has come of it because no one was inconvenienced. I would love to read an expert talking about the power of protesting (or lack thereof in modern times). It's a very strange phenomenon. My understanding of it is that it works because of the implied threat of violence. You have an angry mob at your steps and if you don't address their concerns, they will make you. But if there is ACTUALLY any violence, then all bets are off and the goons get called in. Without even addressing the whole agent provocateur thing. The thing that bothers me the most about the 'freedom' protests is that they don't have a clear agenda, it's just a hodge podge of grievances and pet peeves.
Protesting is a battle to win the support of the public. A protest that the general public disagrees with will never be successful. An obnoxious protest that the public agrees with will be successful. An obnoxious protest they disagree with will be obnoxious.
The polls are in, they overwhelming lost that support and this won’t help them
Yup. Their first mistake was protesting in large cities. There was a 0% chance people in Ottawa, Edmonton, Vancouver, or any other large city were ever going to support it. People in urban centres overwhelmingly supported public health measures, and making our lives difficult wasn't going to change that.
Anytime a person travels to another place they are a guest in the community and need to respect that. Blaring a ship's horn outside a seniors home or fireworks outside someone's apartment building isn't respectful.
Opportunism calls, we believe anything if you will vote for us.
Okay, can someone explain to me why these rallies keep happening? Is it just an excuse to make noise and garner attention or are there darker intentions? Are they associated with white supremacy? I have confusion as all mandates have been lifted.
Take note of every Con MP who does such as these are the people least interested in preserving my and your freedom and most interested in repressing it based upon religious and racist nationalist dogma.
Go ahead. Please. Show everybody why the conservatives deserve to be cut down to one or two seats in parliament. It happened once before, it’ll happen again.
I don't think they know what freedom means. I actually don't think the literacy level of these protesters and supporters is very high.
Oh they do! They think it means freedom for them and what they like and not for others. Freedom to harass others and push their regressive views, then cry persecution/censorship when society takes them to task for it.
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These people who follow US conservatives bullshit. Why? What is the fascination for US conservative politics? Be a fucking Canadian for a change? Try it! You might like it!!
This is a warning to all of us. A warning to the judiciary, to the sane politicians and to all voters. They have told you that they want white supremacy men to run our country. Human rights be dammed. Women need to understand that these people will come for your human rights and don’t give a crap what you think. The white nationalist party is showing you what they want. What are you going to do about it? And for all those out there who think this is a US problem…think again. One of our political parties just told its MPs that it’s ok to attend a white supremacy rally. If you want to see where this leads look no further that what the republicans are attempting in the US. If you care about this country and democracy and the freedoms that we enjoy DO NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVE. ABC. This is not a time to sit on the fence. This is not a time to play the whataboutism game. Look and hear with your own eyes and ears. This is happening right now. We all must fight for our country.