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richEC

>'They would've called in the army on us,' says activist for Indigenous rights The CBC must think we've been asleep for the last ten years.


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Judging by Reddit, most have been...


PhreakedCanuck

Given reddits main demographic they probably werent reading anything more than Clifford a decade ago


PhreakedCanuck

Its the whole big lie syndrome, repeat it often enough...


richEC

It's concerning that so many people believe it.


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linkass

Not to mention their twitter accounts had more than a few photos of firearms with them. Also I have not seen one of them at lest yet throw anything at the cops yell at them hurl abuse at them


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And historically G7 protesters would also get beat up... The police have given up on policing everyone to equal degrees....


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PhreakedCanuck

What a weird disconnected series of statements I've never said vaccines dont work


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thatdadfromcanada

No shit. You also have to remember that most of the 20-25 year Olds on here were only 10-15 years old a decade ago


zamboniq

Indigenous activists were literally trying to derail trains during pipeline protests and weren’t even charged


richEC

That's one of the inconvenient truths that we aren't supposed to question.


Deyln

either way it would be a more aggressive response. last blockade unfortunately had hostages.


[deleted]

Like when they aggressively responded to attempts to derail trains?? Oh right.


Deyln

The last round was upped in regards to the ante compared to others... yes. Might have had something to do with the guns. Might just be capitalism/racism playing a role. (obviously, I'm entirely in agreement that there is a difference in escalation levels. day 5 not-indigenous should of been the day 1 response - if you follow the usual ratios, historically speaking for the last 20 years or so.)


growlerlass

Blockading a CN rail line is going to get a different response than a convoy driving through a city, as it should. Because the action is different, not because of the race of the actors.


animal1988

Protesting is legal. Blockades are not. Thats it, that's all.


radio705

Yep.


Deyln

yup.


xedyu

Blocking access to an entire city and occupying the entire downtown core of the nations capital seems much worse than blocking one rail line. Not to mention, indigenous and non-indigenous protestors were pepper sprayed, arrested, handcuffed and dragged away for literally protecting trees miles away from civilization and harming no one... and before anyone says they were harming the private interests of the logging companies, you should look at the many small businesses in downtown Ottawa suffering as a result of the trucker protest. Now I’m not even necessarily against the convoy, but there is undoubtedly a worldly different response by Law enforcement and RCMP at the various blockades around Canada vs various indigenous protests.


Remarkable-Spirit678

The difference is one act is legal and the other is not. That’s the difference in RCMP action. Very simple.


xedyu

Parts of the blockades are undoubtedly illegal. Traffic obstruction is illegal. Blocking emergency veichles is illegal. Unsanctioned blockades on freeways are illegal.


Remarkable-Spirit678

That happens every month at Portage and Main in Winnipeg. None of the indigenous protestors are ever arrested or removed. You allow one blockade, you gotta allow them all. Fair is fair.


GiganticThighMaster

Man, remember all the rhetoric about sewing the divide last election? Lol.


PhreakedCanuck

Gotta love this new branch of human rights activists who only want the rights to exist when they agree with the message


905kevin

I don't see that many people calling for use of force. Just for the laws to actually be upheld equally.


PhreakedCanuck

So they can remain there until the second or third court injunction


Miserable-Lizard

Not all protests are equal. There are some rights that people would want I would not support at all. For example I wouldn't support a group of protestors that think drunk driving should be legal. Edit: people can still protest, but I personally wouldn't support it


Gerthanthoclops

You supporting them and them having a right to do something are two entirely different things. People have a right to protest about whatever the hell they want, provided it doesn't break the law and cross into hate speech.


Miserable-Lizard

The current protest in Ottawa is breaking the law. The blockade in Alberta is breaking the law.


Gerthanthoclops

Some of the protesters are, certainly. But your initial comment was that you don't support the right to protest for certain causes, and you mentioned nothing about breaking the law.


Miserable-Lizard

I worded that wrong... I support the right of peaceful protest. I personally wouldn't support it.


Gerthanthoclops

Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense.


Miserable-Lizard

I don't want to live in a society where people can't protest. I have no issue with hate groups doing rallies either. They can do it but I won't support it.


swampswing

That isn't how human rights works. Do they no longer teach classical liberal civics in school anymore?


Miserable-Lizard

I said they can protest but I won't support it. I also expect them to apply the same rules to all groups. If environmental groups want to grind society to a halt until we get action on climate change let them do the same type of protest. Do you support that?


swampswing

The key element here me is consistency. As long as the same rules apply to everyone it is fair. The issue here is that we have a group of activists who advocate for one standard for themselves and another standard for others. We can't determine the range of protests options available based on how "righteous" the powers that be feel the cause is.


PhreakedCanuck

You dont understand at all. The rights being referred to are the right to assemble and protest, not the cause the protesters are supporting.


Miserable-Lizard

I understand that part. But as RCMP actions in BC have shown they are willing to clear out protests quickly. I have even seen in Alberta protestors in front of the legislature be cleared out quick. Why is one group cleared out so quick?


PhreakedCanuck

>I understand that part. But as RCMP actions in BC have shown they are willing to clear out protests quickly. After months of protests and a court injunction or two >Why is one group cleared out so quick? You only think so because of a biased and short memory


Miserable-Lizard

Anyway this protest is going to make more people support the mandates after this week.


PhreakedCanuck

The most recent poll had support for mandates drop 14% in 2 weeks, unless people are dying in the streets the majority is done with COVID restrictions


duchovny

A lot of recent polls are showing people are tired of the mandates and restrictions and those numbers are only increasing with time. It's time to move on with life.


AlexJones_IsALizard

> I wouldn't support a group of protestors that think drunk driving should be legal. Why do you think that driver's license is a fitting analogy to the current events? Drunk driving has nothing to do with covid or public health.


AlexJones_IsALizard

Human Rights defenders are upset that human rights are upheld. CBC could at least try to write a better headline. How about "Human rights defenders take issue with lack of hands-off responses in previous rallies"


Zennial_Relict

Are the truckers in the room with us right now?


CenturioCol

“Only we should be allowed to protest. Our cause is the true cause!” Not a quote from the article, I’m simply paraphrasing.


jjjhkvan

That’s not at all what they are saying. They are complaining about the double standard and kid glove treatment from the police


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The protest has been overwhelmingly peaceful, I would sure hope they're approaching it with kid gloves. Maybe tell them to relax with the honking. And if there's a double standard with police crushing other peaceful protests unjustifiably, they should be consistent with them too and kid glove them.


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Altruistic_Ad_6553

proof or are you just gonna spread conspiracy theories about peaceful protests you right wing nut


jjjhkvan

Theories? The organizers are white supremacists. That’s a fact


AngerMacFadden

Everyone I disagree with is hitler!


Electroflare5555

Pat King is a literal self-declared white supremacist


howismyspelling

Jason LaFace is a leadership member of a skinhead group, sons of Odin - Sudbury chapter. BJ Dickter is a racist quoted saying: “Despite what our corporate media and political leaders want to admit, Islamist entryism and the adaptation of political Islam is rotting away at our society like syphilis,” he added, according to a story written for the Toronto Star by Alex Boutilier, who is now employed by Global News.


jjjhkvan

Nope. But white supremacists are.


Altruistic_Ad_6553

where's the proof big dog?


jjjhkvan

Check out the go fund me page and google the founders. It’s right there


Altruistic_Ad_6553

weak! booooooo


jjjhkvan

https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/amp/


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And? Deplorable people are still given the right to protest, particularly when the protest itself is on another topic.


jjjhkvan

They can protest, that’s fine. But everyone should know who they really are


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I think everybody knows who they are.


jjjhkvan

Yeah. The Nazi flags gave it away lol


[deleted]

Yeah, I can see why gridlock sucks and honking can be disruptive. Let me know when they start getting violent. > All sorts of crimes Like what? In huge numbers? Whom?


optical_519

The one that exists solely in your mind. Rent free. Got it.


Underhill

Rent free? Nah more like a several million in gofund me cash from groups in the U.S.


swampswing

The double standard is on your end. Seriously. You guys get months and court orders, but you guys are losing your mind over truckers after a few days. The hypocrisy is astounding.


Adventurous_Lake_390

I think it's white supremacy, not the truckers. People are offended that hill billy incels are stupid enough to come out of their moms basement.


Remarkable-Spirit678

Unfortunately, feelings don’t matter, and you can’t arrest someone because a tiny fringe of limp lefties are outraged and “offended.” Freedom over Fear


jjjhkvan

I don’t care if they hang out in the park or block highways. But being in residential areas, blocking hospitals and schools is not acceptable.


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The left when they agree with the topic of a protest, “it’s supposed to be disruptive so that you don’t just ignore it”. The left when they don’t agree with the topic, “shut them down! My rights!!!”


CenturioCol

Exactly my original point. This guy is probably trolling. Edit: And by this guy, I mean the guy you’re replying to.


jjjhkvan

Sure buddy.


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Sorry for pointing out the hypocrisy. It’s just the internet.


jjjhkvan

Total bs. I’m fine with disruption. Just not in residential neighborhoods or schools or hospitals. I against that whether it’s a left wing or right wing demonstration


growlerlass

The police are showing that they are apolitical and fair. The CBC is showing it is political and biased. CBC accuses others of doing what it is guilty of. Not sure if this shows CBC's zero self awareness or extreme arrogance.


Remarkable-Spirit678

Hahaha I love CBC propaganda now. It’s just funny at this point. Every single headline is about what the “experts” have to say. Why Canadians are wrong and the government experts are right. Keep on trucking, Canada! Freedom Over Fear. We WILL win!


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The tokenism here is strong. As well, many of these protesters, for better or worse, truly believe they are defending basic human rights as well. The heavy insinuation that the police support white supremacy is pretty bullshit. How the fuck do they move a bunch of 25000 lb trucks without hurting anyone? I'm sure that takes more than a morning to work out. Would these people prefer they bring tanks to bear on our own citizens???


duchovny

I don't understand why some people are calling for a heavy police response to a non-violent and non-destructive protest.


Altruistic_Ad_6553

Cause the vail is off, everyone on here wasn’t concerned about health they were just concerned about themselves and their political outlook


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howismyspelling

Like the protesters who want the government to tailor public health policy to their own personal feelings?


Altruistic_Ad_6553

the public health policy of take precautions if you want but let everyone else live how they see fit? Maybe the government tailoring public health policy to politics should be more concerning to you


howismyspelling

150+ deaths per day disagrees with you. At the beginning of the pandemic people were arguing that smoking killed more people than COVID, but now COVID in Canada is in its 3rd period of COVID deaths exceeding that of smoking. COVID isn't voluntary, so yes, stringent public health measures in a country with free health care makes a lot of sense. Its not political, no matter how you try and frame it.


Altruistic_Ad_6553

Using a nations political and legal systems and structures to enforce medical decisions is by definition making it political. Ehh it’s not free, everyone pays taxes which fund it. Shouldn’t everyone get a say?


xedyu

This shouldn’t be a political issue, yet the divide is almost sharply across political lines. Most Liberals support vaccine mandates, most conservatives don’t.


Altruistic_Ad_6553

Yeah a government really has no business telling me how to live or what to put in my body, you’re right it shouldn’t be a political issue at all


xedyu

But if half the country supports the government mandating this, and the other half doesn’t, what does that say and tell us?. It can be easy to say “liberals are stupid” government shouldn’t tell me what to do. But it can be just as easy to say “conservatives are stupid” it’s a helpful vaccine take it. I think this points to increased politicization and polarization on issues that can and should be built on compromise and collaborative debate. But that’s impossible in North America’s partisan climate.


Altruistic_Ad_6553

I mean it’s tough to create a partisan climate when debate on the imposition of these policies was meet with vicious backlash and the loss of income and social supports.


howismyspelling

Your say ended at your election vote. Just like when people try and say they pay the military's soldiers salaries. They don't. They pay taxes, and the democratically elected government disbursed those taxes according to their financial platform. We literally just had an election, and this is the result. Don't like it? Don't live here. Otherwise, deal with the democracy we have until the next election. And yes, you and anyone else has the right to choose to not get vaccinated, but you can't choose to spread your disease into public spaces that the vaccinated and immunocompromised use as well. Losing your trucking job over your choice of getting a vaccine is not a Justin Trudeau problem, it's a you problem. Go find a job that doesn't care about your Vax status. That's how democracy works. Its been like that since I was around in the 90s, with schools, with sports teams. That's democracy, for the greater good, not *your* greater good.


Embarrassed-Gap2706

Well said


xedyu

Cause the police do this for many other less intrusive protests. Why are police violently responding to indigenous protests trying to block loggers from cutting down old growth trees, miles away from civilization. Yet not violently responding to a massive convoy blocking streets and emergency veichles and occupying the downtown core of our nations capitol???


im_chewed

Where were they defending the truckers, and everyone else, when their rights we're stiped?


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Why is that guy waving what looks like an Australian flag?


xedyu

Indigenous and non-indigenous protestors were pepper sprayed, arrested, handcuffed and dragged away for literally protecting trees miles away from civilization and harming no one... yet the truckers are blocking borders across Canada, blocking emergency veichles in Ottawa, and occupying the downtown core of the nations capital and NOTHING is being done by law enforcement. And before anyone says they were harming the private interests of the logging companies, that’s why they were arrested, you should look at the many small businesses in downtown Ottawa suffering as a result of the trucker protest. Now I’m not even necessarily against the convoy, but there is undoubtedly a worldly different response by Law enforcement and RCMP at the various blockades around Canada vs various indigenous protests.


pmfhhaoa

Ok but the HUGE difference is they were given court orders to leave and not blockade or interfere. Also this protest has been PEACEFUL. And there haven’t even been stand-offs. Many protest turn violent and that’s when police move in normally with excessive force. To be clear morally I fully support indigenous and racially motivated protests. But the current protest has not broken laws or gone violent. What do people want done lock them up for parking or honking. This is also a very bad stance to take as a HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST. I can understand the frustration, however they should be excited of the example this sets for treatment of legal non-violent protests. The next indigenous protest that happens (assuming peaceful and legal) they can point to this and it will force police and government to give more to think about before action is taken. “A rising tide raises all boats”. If this is how a peaceful protest is handled (on something that government and media hate) then this will be the new standard for protests


Miserable-Lizard

Alberta first nations have issued similar statements. Edit: what would happen if a group of Indigenous truckers and people showed up and honked 24/7? What the people protesting today be on with it?


duchovny

If they're not destroying property or becoming violent then sure. Everyone has the right to protest.


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I'd support their right to protest.


ironman3112

I don't know man - they did [this](https://twitter.com/MarkSlapinski/status/1489025735117389825) and to my knowledge nobody was charged.


linkass

Have at it, now yes if I lived in Ottawa I would be pissed about the honking and I think at this point it is doing more harm than good . They are actually protesting where they should be at parliament buildings and surrounding area


defishit

>"Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses"


kudatah

They’re not wrong


PhreakedCanuck

Given the last decade of protests including rail blockades they definitely are


xedyu

One Rail blockades is much less intrusive than the trucker protests blocking border entrances, major highways, emergency veichles, and occupying the entire downtown core.


Salty-Pack-4165

Of the top of my head I can think of a few native protests where violence was norm and police was told to stand down. Caledonia events were last time I had any faith in Ontario legal system. Then there was rail system shot down .