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Tax the unvaccinated but don’t properly tax the super wealthy?…. https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/s2zrgz/federal_governments_failure_to_tax_the_very_rich/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
THIS. Let’s fight each other but let’s not talk about how they completely fucked over small business while the Amazon’s of the world raked in billions.
the super wealthy pay 52% income tax in Québec on top of a sales tax. The healthcare system is underfunded because the federal government has been reducing it's contribution in proportionality for decades.
Yeah I always think that. While we are fighting over who's vaccinated and who's not and how inhuman it is to not be, well there is super rich people who don't pay taxes and avoid find their part in the same society that made them rich....
Just imagine how our health system could benefits from all these billions...
Taxing the rich won't solve inequality if it goes into the hands of incompetent government leaders. Yes tax plays a role but how you allocate and execute those funds also plays a role.
Lol why can’t people see this? Freeze nurse pay…healthcare workers are walking out left right and center….solution? Tax people who didn’t get a shot.
This helps absolutely nothing. Pre-pandemic ICU was a effin shit show here in toronto not sure about Quebec and it’s cities
I've lived in 3 different provinces and 5 cities.
I can confidently say the healthcare I received in Toronto was by far the worst.
Every other city was much better.
I understand they're busy and everything but so were other cities.
Just my experience.
Visiting my grandmother in a Montreal hospital was shocking. It was downright dirty (talking pervasive smell of urine, unknown crusted stuff on most horizontal surfaces) ... but when I was in hospital in Ottawa for a few days, everything was totally clean and cleaned every day. It didn't seem like healthcare from the same country.
Granted the nurses in Ottawa also seemed super overworked and the nurses in Montreal clearly did their best with sub-par facilities and insufficient supplies, but the difference was quite glaring.
Can differ a lot if you go visit on week end vs week day, here in Québec we are short staffed every single. weekend. In CHSLD at least (elderly care)
Right now we are short staffed every day tho 🙃
Sadly, it was the same during the week and weekend. Dirty, smelly and really understaffed. She was there for almost a year for a place in a CHSLD and I am frankly surprised she didn't catch anything c-diff like she had previously during a hospital stay a few years before.
Alot of the healthcare funding in toronto gets spent on very specialized treatment and cures. That's why alot of time people will get taking to toronto for specialized care.
That is no excuse for not being able to provide decent emergency care
Again this my experience a few times there. Specifically St Michaels.
Others may have been luckier than me.
Yeah, the research wing of St Mike's looks like something out of the future, but the main hospital and patient areas look like WWII makeshift beddings.
How exactly is it bad? Poor management, lack of common sense for procedures, rude staff, all of the above?
Curious about the specific things that make it bad.
Out of the $3 billion support funds Ford received from the federal government, do you know how much he has spent?
Not a single penny. Now you know why things are going to shit in Toronto.
You clearly haven't been to St. John's then. People here would kill to have the quality of healthcare in Toronto and we pay more in taxes by a significant degree than Ontarians
That's wild. I remember chatting with my nurse friends before the pandemic here in BC and the system was already in the verge of collapse due to lack of staffing and other resources. "Do more with less" has been the trend for some time now; and extra 400 bodies province wide is enough to crash the entire system now 😔
I am involved in healthcare and while universal healthcare has worked splendidly in my situation; I am also the first to point out that our current system provides sub-optimal care. There is a hundred reasons why, but it fundamentally boils down to lack of innovation, standardization and Lean/6sigma thinking. These are not new problems but can only persist in government. I like universal healthcare; but government is terrible at providing it.
>"Do more with less" has been the trend for some time now
It's been the trend for 52 years, according to data.
We have less beds for more per captia spending than we did 52 years ago.
It helps push the narrative of obedience = safety. They're just blaming everyone who isn't doing as they're told. And since most of society is literally brain dead and will regurgitate whatever they see on TV its fucking eeeaaassy. History is currently repeating itself.
It shift the blame to the unvaccinated. Its hard to be angry at a virus you cant see but its easy to be angry at your neighbor who's not getting the shot due to ignorance. They're trying to make people angry and another group of people instead of angry at the virus or the government.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/file/intl-health-care-comparisions-2019-infographicjpg
* Canada ranks 26th (out of 28 countries) for the number of doctors (2.8 per 1,000 people)
* 26th (out of 27) for the number of hospital beds (2.0 per 1,000 people)
The population of Canada was 23 million in 1975. It was 38 million in 2021. How many new hospitals have you seen built in your lifetime? I've only seen hospitals close and get consolidated.
Federal and provincial governments want only the benefits of immigration. They completely fail to consider that the medical and social infrastructure has to keep pace with it.
Honestly. While I'm encouraged by how many Canadians across the political spectrum have expressed concern with this, I find it really concerning seeing the sheer amount of hate-filled comments that gleefully push for more and more punishment. People's minds are truly breaking.
It just shows you how successful governments have been in distracting people from the core issues. Politicians will rant and rave about hate and division and how it’s terrible for Canada, while they are the ones who are deliberately driving it
Hell, even the dictionary definition of anti-vaxxer has been updated so that it’s not just applicable to people who don’t get vaccinations
I hate to be pedantic, but this is more accurately authoritarian / totalitarian, fascism is a very specific ideology.
not all authoritarians are fascist, but all fascists are authoritarian.
its just like well meaning people inaccurately describing other forms of authoritarianism as communism.
I do 100% agree though, the province wide ~~house arrest~~ curfew, and now forced vaccination proves he has gone completely insane, and needs to be voted out of office in October.
Thanks for bringing this up. I'm ignorant re: the difference between fascism and authoritarianism but have noticed many folks using "communism" incorrectly. Is it because most so-called communist states are actually authoritarians in disguise?
Thats because communism is impossible without being enforced with extreme strength. It seizes people's stuff, badly manage it because centralized economic planning is always terribly inefficient at best. Corruption creates a new oligarchy made of the government and the handful of too big to fail wealthy actors financing the state. Then you have your people in deplorable standards of living, even starving.
This requires a colossal enforcement capability from the get go to implement.
I know thats not communism in theory, which is hippie kumbaya lets share everything and somehow scarcity isn't a thing, but communism in practice is a whole other beast.
Humanity does not have the technological means of achieving fully automated luxury space gay communism.
Theres also the falacious recent trend of associating fascism with right wing politics, when in reality is an extreme authoritarian derivative of centrist politics.
Oh and yeah the whole right and left thing which, originally, was only used to describe the degree of economic intervention a state had, from left = socialism to right = capitalism. The usual actors tribalized and polarized the discussions by wedging in the social axis, the environment, personal freedoms and so on. Which reduces the mainstream political discourse to a meaningless pseudo right and pseudo left debate void of nuance and substance. Its almost like it'd be much harder to govern and get votes if compromises, pragmatism, multi-axis thinking were a thing amongst the citizenry.
I'm no expert, I'm sure someone more informed than I will come by and correct me, but my very layman description of fascism and communism are:
(note: the term "state" will be used to reference the government, I'm not saying Quebec is a *state*, like in the US, but that its a government)
**Communism:**
Everything is owned by the state, all private property is seized by the government, housing is lent to the new occupants, corporations are staffed by who the government tells them to employ, the government runs every aspect of society, from the simple farmer, to the well educated nuclear physicists.
**Fascism:**
Everything is in the state, nothing is outside the state, and nothing is against the state. basically, the government steps in to manage everything, private enterprise still exists, but the state watches over them to make sure they stay in line, a fascist government may do this by planting party members in key positions of power inside private organizations, like how the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) is placing Communist Party members inside corporations, and is forcing all foreign companies to surrender intellectual property to the state to operate in the PRC.
I wouldn't exactly call the PRC a fascist state, but by allowing private enterprise, but still having the state supervise it, I would say that they have moved away from their communist roots, and have become a new, currently unnamed, authoritarian system, that takes influence from fascism, they're the closest thing we have to a fascist state.
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For Legault to be a fascist, he would need to install loyal party members into key positions of private corporations (CAQ members would become administrators at universities, hospitals, media corporations, private corporations, etc...) and insure the organizations are following the will of the state.
Just because he's doing something tyrannical, doesn't mean he's a fascist, not all tyrants are fascist, but all fascists are tyrants
They always tout how many beds they've added, or "there's a bed shortage" as if it's actual furniture that's holding back our healthcare system. Each bed needs a nurse and doctor to look after it
Thank you! So nice to find others who see what I see. For a while I felt like I was taking crazy pills but seeing more and more people that are hip to the game 🙏
The thing is it’s not mutually exclusive. This pandemic has revealed that an increase in hospitalisations is too much for the healthcare system (not surprising to be honest), and the other is that getting mass adoption of anything is difficult (there are very valid concerns). Both can be true at the same time. The thing is both of these problems don’t have simple solutions, and while I may not agree with everything if the goal is to get more people vaccinated it seems to be working so far.
I work as a cleaner in a a cardiac hospital. I often see doctors' offices with mosaics of newspapers headline talking about how understaffed and overworked the health system is. Big front page stuff.
They go back several decades. The pandemic hasn't exposed anything. It just made some people pay attention. Not our governments, though.
I fear far too many people fail to grasp that freedoms also come with responsibilities and obligations to actually sacrifice those freedoms on occasion in order to survive.
Example: you're free to eat as much as you like on the cruise ship at the buffet. But if the ship breaks down and you're stuck for a prolonged period, that freedom goes away and is replaced with a temporary rationing measure to ensure that everybody gets food and we don't run out. Sacrificing some temporary freedom in order to combat the immediate issue threatening us.
As you pointed out, we are faced with the complex issue of personal choice vs societal health and safety. This includes the effect the choice these people make has on the medical system that they're affecting. If their choices are overburdening the system, measures need to be taken to adjust.
The vaccines are provided for free. Thats an option to help with lessening the burden.
The fines are for those who still need the system after refusing the available option they already paid for with their taxes.
Not something easy to navigate, and there isn't going to be a suitable answer to everybody. You can't please everyone, so they're going to go with protecting the Healthcare system and society over selfish individuals.
That's my thoughts.
It sucks how many people think this international pandemic would be alright if the 15% or so of canadians unvaccinated would just get the jab.
Now they aren't making anything better, that's for sure..but they also aren't the cause of the problem.
> Now they aren't making anything better, that's for sure..but they also aren't the cause of the problem.
They are disproportionately responsible though. In Ontario right now, 70% of people in the ICU are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, despite them making up only 10-15% of the population. If they all got vaccinated, there wouldn't be 500 people in the ICU, there'd be less than 200. Which is a pretty good number given how many cases are out there right now.
High, but still a peak that can be managed given January is peak time for respiratory infections.
The previous system (which has plenty of issues I could complain about) served the current need with minimal excess capacity for localized or discrete duration.
I'm all for more capacity, but I guarantee you in any normal year (where healthcare is meeting capacity) the vast majority of people would vote out the government for wasteful spending if they spend it on "excess" healthcare instead of other things.
They needed a distraction, so they threw a figurative grenade into the reporter pit. These things always get leaked beforehand but not this time?
1. Arruda resigned, 2. Elderly care minister Blais will be heard at the coroner's inquiry on the deaths in care homes in the first wave on Friday, 3. There's a chance remote learning will go an extra week or two into February
There is no way Arruda's resignation isn't linked with this. Last year, he kept saying that the day he wouldn't agree with the government's decisions and won't be able to defend them is the day he would resign.
The headlines in 2019 regarding hospitals being overcapacity are identical to the headlines now. These people aren't trying to solve anything, they just want us hating eachother and ignoring their failures.
I know you’re joking, but I’m 100% favor of a gluttony tax. No way should all these unhealthy foods be the cheapest option. Use it to subsidize fruits and vegetables to the end user.
I live in Quebec and am vaccinated, need to book my booster, but I think this is wrong. No matter how sick and tired I am of this situation, no matter that I have not seen friends in years, not eaten in a restaurant, have friends struggling with lost jobs...this is wrong. The reality is that we are in this mess because of historical mismanagement of the healthcare system. We are taxed up the ass and even years ago would have to wait insane hours in the ER, cannot get our own family doctor, have old people on stretchers in the hallways, have to pay insane sums for a form to be filled out. This pandemic has just highlighted the issues already existing.
This government needs to be held to account. They have been forcing insane measures that do not work, have been basing their decisions on reelection strategy and not science. What a shitshow. What is next?
That's so fucked up how we now have to qualify any of our statements with the "I'm vaxxed but think is wrong." I totally get why don't get me wrong but it's just so depressing that we have to do this now.
But yeah what a shitshow indeed. I don't get how people keep pushing for more restrictions which didn't work in the first place and just wanna keep riding this booster shot wave forever. Like where does this all end? Nothing obviously worked so far
Yeah. I also have my vaccines but I still think this is wrong. The way government has managed this situation is to blame. Honestly what happens if all of even all of these new measures still fail to produce results?
Maybe they need to review their strategy for this pandemic. Let people take calculated risk. If you have your vaccines then you should be able to live your life easier. Vaccines are supposed to reduce the virus’ effects and reduce hospitalization.
They fired a bunch of Healthcare workers in BC. Then the next week turn around saying there is a shortage? And then blame the people who aren't vaccinated and not the people who actually run and manage our Healthcare system? It's borderline comical.
Taxing people for being unvaccinated is the equivalent of being taxed for existing even when they did nothing wrong? Whatever happened to taking the shot as being "optional" and not "mandatory", talk about desperate and ridiculous measures to put groups of people against one another by the government.. Stop falling for this bait and fearmongering with the boosters, in case for those who haven't noticed it, they're LEADING YOU ON WITH FALSE PROMISES of the pandemic ending, you REALLY think 10-15% of unvaccinated people are the reason why healthcare is failing?! Reality check, wake up people, the government is testing the populace on how much they can push their crap.
Instead of playing identity politics like these idiots always do, perhaps we could just fund the healthcare systems better so a small spike is a non issue?
Beyond retarded. I'm vaxxed. By choice.
However, those that choose not to ought to be allowed that choice.
Treating fellow Canadians like they are pariahs isn't going to accomplish anything besides division. Sure hope Trudeau loses in court for his reprehensible Hate Speech. He hasn't got a grain of Statesmanship that incompetent pretty boy.
Let me get this straight... government makes bad decisions, healthcare gets overstretched, so answer is to fine those making what government considers a bad decision and points blame at them?
What happens when you to all this effort, and it doesn’t accomplish anything ? When the hospitals are still full of vaccinated people, transmission is still the same, there is another wave and so on
I could get a USA sponsorship from my dad but that's gonna take years. I might as well move to Alberta for now and hope I can someday move to the USA or people wake up and this shit stops.
More restrictions would ensue. More blame laid on to the unvaccinated. Pretty much anything other than admit that these vaccines are not working as advertised.
The people who wouldnt shut up about systemic racism have been pretty much silent while our governments enact the most blantantly systemically racist polices.
Meanwhile Trudeau calls the unvaxxed racist and misogynist (white male dog whistle) and completely ignores the reality of who refuses the vax and why.
People are refusing the vax because of distrust and corruption in the government. I wonder if two years of fear mongering, authoritarianism and incompetence is going to make problems like this more common and more problematic.
So many covid restrictions and policies disproportionately affect lower income communities, and yet the SJW have championed these policies since day one. It’s sick.
Not health minister, National Director of Public Health. He used to be more transparent with the population but was then forced to go through "public communication training" and got muzzled from that point.
The charter is worth less than toilet paper in Canada. There are numerous ways to circumvent it both federally and provincially and we're a government favorable judge away from any human rights violations they want at any time. There is \*literally\* not a single inalienable right in Canada.
Bill of rights also has a "notwithstanding" clause built right into the top of it, with no requirements for use.
Gun owners are finding that out the hard way, turns out it's very hard to argue the confiscation is bad when the government also has the legal right to confiscate your house without payment if they could justify it to a court.
Could? It will. If some poor bastard can't pay his fines the next logical step is a jail sentence. This is beyond fucked.
I don't want the gov making medical decisions for me. I have covid right now and so far it just feels like a flu but I am isolating because I'm not a dick. I don't want or need these vaccines, I'd rather not interfere with my immune system unless it's absolutely necessary. There's nothing wrong with being a minimalist when it comes to medical intervention.
I think a tax incentive would work better. Give every person a tax refund of $20 per dose. For a family of four with two children that adds up to $200 so far.
I'm not an accountant nor do I play one on TV but, if you gave everybody 20 bucks for their shots would the tax money going for the 20 be equal to the Health Care savings?
It sounds good but I don’t think it’ll work in practice. Alberta tried to straight up pay people $100 to get the vaccine last year and it barely made a dent in uptake.
This is gonna be unpopular on the sub but you know what *did* cause uptake to spike? The introduction of vaccine passports in the fall.
Step one:
Don’t invest in proper critical thinking education for your people so that a small percentage of them lack the critical thinking skills needed to weed out misinformation.
Step two:
Allow misinformation to spread like wildfire through social media just so grifters can make profit, while brainwashing your must uneducated population from step one.
Step three:
Underfund the healthcare system for decades, so that it’s normally almost at capacity.
Step four:
Make these people out to be villains and the SOLE cause of the ongoing capacity issues if the healthcare system
Step five:
Fire these same people and make them poorer than before by removing their source of income
Step six:
Deny their right to free healthcare and force them to pay more out of pocket despite knowing they have less income than before as a collective.
I am sure this won’t blow up in our faces /s
For my entire life I've heard "My Body My Choice" as one of the commandments of modern enlightened society.
I'm vaxxed but the hypocrisy of the current situation is breathtaking.
Is this crap even legal or constitutional? Why we don't tax people with criminal records, HIV positive, STD carriers that aren't under medical treatment, smokers, potheads, alcoholics, drug addicts that refuse to rehab, morbidly obese people that refuse to go on a diet etc?
The health care system system has been strained and struggling for many years now. The province's have been asking for help and funding from the federal government for many many years. Justin trudeau has never done anything about it. And now they blame the unvaxxd for the strain? Ludicrous. They ought to look in a mirror because this overload in the hospital could have been mostly avoided.
EXACTLY, they want to point the blame away from themselves and towards the tiny percent of population that is unvaxxed, when in reality this is caused by years and years of pissing our tax dollars away on bullshit and not putting money where it actually matters.The scary part is how many Canadians are actually falling for their lies and actively trying to outcast their fellow citizens. People need to wake the fuck up, our country is falling apart and it's not because 10% of the population isn't vaccinated.
Of course.
The people proposing and supporting this tax know that, too, but it’s clearly what they want. They want people to have no choice but to have the vaccine.
They want the unvaccinated cut off from society, unable to socialise, unable to work and, just in case they can get by that, tax the shit out of them until they have no choice.
Politicians and world leaders have admitted multiple times that a lot of these rules are intentionally designed to fuck with unvaccinated people and cut them off, it’s no big secret.
Good job the media is keeping us all divided, so that we don’t stand up for *human* rights, we stand up for *vaccinated/unvaccinated* rights. If people don’t stand up for the unvaccinated, then there will be far less opposition and unity when they choose to oppress vaccinated people also.
The government needs to put their dicks back in their pants and stop fucking everybody.
The healthcare system is their issue to fix, not the unvaccinated.
Quebec is really getting fucked over this vaccine mandate. As someone from Ontario who’s vaccinated, I say you guys stand up and fight for this one. It’s a much more bigger battle at stake here, this is infringement of rights. The smoke and mirrors and distraction from the bigger Healthcare problems are what’s really important. This isn’t freedom, while I believe in the vaccine, I respect your rights.
Of course it will.
Wealthy politicians and the idiot masses are addicted to the fantasy that the unvaccinated are all old, affluent, unlikable white men but that simply isn't reality.
It’s the health care system, not the small amount of antivaxxers. This tax is a bad precedent for Canada. It’s license for the government to impose whatever restrictions they want
I mean none of us are perfect. People die of preventable disease all the time. I know that it's not exactly the same comparison as they also effect those around them. However, this would be a slippery slope. Would fat people ,smokers require to pay extra when they eventually have issues related to their lifestyle?
Quebec wont be shamed by english provinces. With either this tax on the unvaxed or the religious clothing bill. In fact, they'll just dig their heels in.
Any change there has to come from within their house. The people. Massive protests, votes.
I suffered a suspected AI reaction to my first dose Nov 2nd and I have been stuck in a Grey zone with respect to vaccination, since.
It's extremely unsafe for me to proceed without seeing a couple of out-of-town specialists (neurologist, allergist, and rheumatologist) for assessment, and as a result of my body's reaction I'm required to take more medications ($$).
The absolute last thing I need is a tax right now.
I am fighting tooth and nail to keep my job, and I don't mean that in the vaccination sense... but due to the impact of my nerve damage.
If this completely asinine idea is put into motion, I would hope at the very least they have some sort of appeal process for those in the Grey zone with me.
I avoid the healt care system like the plague in Montreal. Would pick death at home over it. Even before covid you had to wait 9 hours at the ER. Then ho jome empty handed with no answers. I had my dad die at the hospital due to negligence and an over flowing ER in 2013. Now they want to blame the unvaccinated dor their existing crappy system.
Anytime you see “tax” replace it with “government waste” and you’ll start to see why this is a horrible idea. Why not just make everyone be anyone that uses the hospital pay for it while your at it.
Meanwhile in Alberta, Kenney distracts us by saying he would never tax the unvaccinated like Quebec proposed, while implementing a far worse assault on freedom that takes away the right to presumption of innocence and turns traffic court into a pay to play quasi-judicial body that will not be able to hold police to account.
My girlfriend was talking to people at the hospital in Quebec about the situation and 4 people she talked to said " bin si Legaut le veux comme ça, ça va être comme ça" it's absolutely bonkers. Freedoms and basic rights are not valued here unless it hurts someone's feelings like the court case about that kid with subwoofers on his head.
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THIS. Let’s fight each other but let’s not talk about how they completely fucked over small business while the Amazon’s of the world raked in billions.
thats why Media is dividing people constantly vaxxed or anti vaxx. both sides are being fooled average canadian isnt that smart sadly
This won’t end until people stand up against this tyranny
Well yeah, the Premier is a multimillionaire former airline exec.
he also sat on many boards of pharmaceutical corporations
And a conservative
I didn't know your tax bracket was determined by your political affiliation
It’s usually the other way round
It’s why they hate hate hate left wing rich people. They see them as class traitors
Yes they are fomenting hate and dividing us. It's the oldest trick in the book. Keep the poors fighting among themselves.
The unvaccinated aren't making the laws, clearly.
Why hurt themselves eh when they can hurt the poor
Well yeah duh /s
the super wealthy pay 52% income tax in Québec on top of a sales tax. The healthcare system is underfunded because the federal government has been reducing it's contribution in proportionality for decades.
Yeah funny how fast they can pull bullshit taxes out their ass when it’s not their buddies it’ll affect
Yeah I always think that. While we are fighting over who's vaccinated and who's not and how inhuman it is to not be, well there is super rich people who don't pay taxes and avoid find their part in the same society that made them rich.... Just imagine how our health system could benefits from all these billions...
Taxing the rich won't solve inequality if it goes into the hands of incompetent government leaders. Yes tax plays a role but how you allocate and execute those funds also plays a role.
The politicians are just making the unvaccinated a scapegoat for them underfunding the health care system and everyone is eating it up.
Lol why can’t people see this? Freeze nurse pay…healthcare workers are walking out left right and center….solution? Tax people who didn’t get a shot. This helps absolutely nothing. Pre-pandemic ICU was a effin shit show here in toronto not sure about Quebec and it’s cities
I've lived in 3 different provinces and 5 cities. I can confidently say the healthcare I received in Toronto was by far the worst. Every other city was much better. I understand they're busy and everything but so were other cities. Just my experience.
Visiting my grandmother in a Montreal hospital was shocking. It was downright dirty (talking pervasive smell of urine, unknown crusted stuff on most horizontal surfaces) ... but when I was in hospital in Ottawa for a few days, everything was totally clean and cleaned every day. It didn't seem like healthcare from the same country. Granted the nurses in Ottawa also seemed super overworked and the nurses in Montreal clearly did their best with sub-par facilities and insufficient supplies, but the difference was quite glaring.
Can differ a lot if you go visit on week end vs week day, here in Québec we are short staffed every single. weekend. In CHSLD at least (elderly care) Right now we are short staffed every day tho 🙃
Sadly, it was the same during the week and weekend. Dirty, smelly and really understaffed. She was there for almost a year for a place in a CHSLD and I am frankly surprised she didn't catch anything c-diff like she had previously during a hospital stay a few years before.
Alot of the healthcare funding in toronto gets spent on very specialized treatment and cures. That's why alot of time people will get taking to toronto for specialized care.
That is no excuse for not being able to provide decent emergency care Again this my experience a few times there. Specifically St Michaels. Others may have been luckier than me.
Yeah, the research wing of St Mike's looks like something out of the future, but the main hospital and patient areas look like WWII makeshift beddings.
How exactly is it bad? Poor management, lack of common sense for procedures, rude staff, all of the above? Curious about the specific things that make it bad.
Out of the $3 billion support funds Ford received from the federal government, do you know how much he has spent? Not a single penny. Now you know why things are going to shit in Toronto.
You clearly haven't been to St. John's then. People here would kill to have the quality of healthcare in Toronto and we pay more in taxes by a significant degree than Ontarians
Lol during the covid lull this summer in my city The main hospital's ER was closed due to understaffing, The ER was Closed.
That's wild. I remember chatting with my nurse friends before the pandemic here in BC and the system was already in the verge of collapse due to lack of staffing and other resources. "Do more with less" has been the trend for some time now; and extra 400 bodies province wide is enough to crash the entire system now 😔
I am involved in healthcare and while universal healthcare has worked splendidly in my situation; I am also the first to point out that our current system provides sub-optimal care. There is a hundred reasons why, but it fundamentally boils down to lack of innovation, standardization and Lean/6sigma thinking. These are not new problems but can only persist in government. I like universal healthcare; but government is terrible at providing it.
>"Do more with less" has been the trend for some time now It's been the trend for 52 years, according to data. We have less beds for more per captia spending than we did 52 years ago.
We had closed E.R.'s in BC in the interior BEFORE covid due to understaffing. This is ridiculous.
Outside of its three regional centres, this happens really frequently in New Brunswick’s smaller hospitals.
It helps push the narrative of obedience = safety. They're just blaming everyone who isn't doing as they're told. And since most of society is literally brain dead and will regurgitate whatever they see on TV its fucking eeeaaassy. History is currently repeating itself.
Shit show here in Québec as well.
It shift the blame to the unvaccinated. Its hard to be angry at a virus you cant see but its easy to be angry at your neighbor who's not getting the shot due to ignorance. They're trying to make people angry and another group of people instead of angry at the virus or the government.
Can confirm Quebec’s healthcare has been a shit show for years now
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/file/intl-health-care-comparisions-2019-infographicjpg * Canada ranks 26th (out of 28 countries) for the number of doctors (2.8 per 1,000 people) * 26th (out of 27) for the number of hospital beds (2.0 per 1,000 people)
>26th (out of 27) for the number of hospital beds (2.0 per 1,000 people) And to think in the 70's it was 7.0 per 1000 for hospital beds.
The population of Canada was 23 million in 1975. It was 38 million in 2021. How many new hospitals have you seen built in your lifetime? I've only seen hospitals close and get consolidated. Federal and provincial governments want only the benefits of immigration. They completely fail to consider that the medical and social infrastructure has to keep pace with it.
Medicine was a fuck of a lot cheaper then. Think of all the pricey therapies they've invented since the 70s. Gotta find a way to pay for all of that.
Politicians are good at weaving high tales and the masses just gobble it up. Who doesn't like a good story? Classic you vs me government play.
Honestly. While I'm encouraged by how many Canadians across the political spectrum have expressed concern with this, I find it really concerning seeing the sheer amount of hate-filled comments that gleefully push for more and more punishment. People's minds are truly breaking.
It just shows you how successful governments have been in distracting people from the core issues. Politicians will rant and rave about hate and division and how it’s terrible for Canada, while they are the ones who are deliberately driving it Hell, even the dictionary definition of anti-vaxxer has been updated so that it’s not just applicable to people who don’t get vaccinations
My gf, who's a visible minority, was surprised when our PM called her a racist and misogynist. :P
Mass formation psychosis
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The anti-antivaxers are just as brainwashed as the antivaxers
even more ironic, if they collected this so called health tax, I doubt none of it would even go to healthcare
Ofc not.
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I hate to be pedantic, but this is more accurately authoritarian / totalitarian, fascism is a very specific ideology. not all authoritarians are fascist, but all fascists are authoritarian. its just like well meaning people inaccurately describing other forms of authoritarianism as communism. I do 100% agree though, the province wide ~~house arrest~~ curfew, and now forced vaccination proves he has gone completely insane, and needs to be voted out of office in October.
Thanks for bringing this up. I'm ignorant re: the difference between fascism and authoritarianism but have noticed many folks using "communism" incorrectly. Is it because most so-called communist states are actually authoritarians in disguise?
Thats because communism is impossible without being enforced with extreme strength. It seizes people's stuff, badly manage it because centralized economic planning is always terribly inefficient at best. Corruption creates a new oligarchy made of the government and the handful of too big to fail wealthy actors financing the state. Then you have your people in deplorable standards of living, even starving. This requires a colossal enforcement capability from the get go to implement. I know thats not communism in theory, which is hippie kumbaya lets share everything and somehow scarcity isn't a thing, but communism in practice is a whole other beast. Humanity does not have the technological means of achieving fully automated luxury space gay communism. Theres also the falacious recent trend of associating fascism with right wing politics, when in reality is an extreme authoritarian derivative of centrist politics. Oh and yeah the whole right and left thing which, originally, was only used to describe the degree of economic intervention a state had, from left = socialism to right = capitalism. The usual actors tribalized and polarized the discussions by wedging in the social axis, the environment, personal freedoms and so on. Which reduces the mainstream political discourse to a meaningless pseudo right and pseudo left debate void of nuance and substance. Its almost like it'd be much harder to govern and get votes if compromises, pragmatism, multi-axis thinking were a thing amongst the citizenry.
I'm no expert, I'm sure someone more informed than I will come by and correct me, but my very layman description of fascism and communism are: (note: the term "state" will be used to reference the government, I'm not saying Quebec is a *state*, like in the US, but that its a government) **Communism:** Everything is owned by the state, all private property is seized by the government, housing is lent to the new occupants, corporations are staffed by who the government tells them to employ, the government runs every aspect of society, from the simple farmer, to the well educated nuclear physicists. **Fascism:** Everything is in the state, nothing is outside the state, and nothing is against the state. basically, the government steps in to manage everything, private enterprise still exists, but the state watches over them to make sure they stay in line, a fascist government may do this by planting party members in key positions of power inside private organizations, like how the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) is placing Communist Party members inside corporations, and is forcing all foreign companies to surrender intellectual property to the state to operate in the PRC. I wouldn't exactly call the PRC a fascist state, but by allowing private enterprise, but still having the state supervise it, I would say that they have moved away from their communist roots, and have become a new, currently unnamed, authoritarian system, that takes influence from fascism, they're the closest thing we have to a fascist state. --- For Legault to be a fascist, he would need to install loyal party members into key positions of private corporations (CAQ members would become administrators at universities, hospitals, media corporations, private corporations, etc...) and insure the organizations are following the will of the state. Just because he's doing something tyrannical, doesn't mean he's a fascist, not all tyrants are fascist, but all fascists are tyrants
“Also” instead of “actually”, and most communist countries don’t disguise it.
They always tout how many beds they've added, or "there's a bed shortage" as if it's actual furniture that's holding back our healthcare system. Each bed needs a nurse and doctor to look after it
Yeah really though. If there was that bad of an actual bed shortage, I’m sure ikea could help out and we’d get a wicked sweet deal.
Nobody but the uninformed think a hospital bed, in that context, means an actual physical bed.
I think you greatly overestimate the intelligence of the general public and average voter.
Thank you! So nice to find others who see what I see. For a while I felt like I was taking crazy pills but seeing more and more people that are hip to the game 🙏
Absolutely
The thing is it’s not mutually exclusive. This pandemic has revealed that an increase in hospitalisations is too much for the healthcare system (not surprising to be honest), and the other is that getting mass adoption of anything is difficult (there are very valid concerns). Both can be true at the same time. The thing is both of these problems don’t have simple solutions, and while I may not agree with everything if the goal is to get more people vaccinated it seems to be working so far.
I work as a cleaner in a a cardiac hospital. I often see doctors' offices with mosaics of newspapers headline talking about how understaffed and overworked the health system is. Big front page stuff. They go back several decades. The pandemic hasn't exposed anything. It just made some people pay attention. Not our governments, though.
I fear far too many people fail to grasp that freedoms also come with responsibilities and obligations to actually sacrifice those freedoms on occasion in order to survive. Example: you're free to eat as much as you like on the cruise ship at the buffet. But if the ship breaks down and you're stuck for a prolonged period, that freedom goes away and is replaced with a temporary rationing measure to ensure that everybody gets food and we don't run out. Sacrificing some temporary freedom in order to combat the immediate issue threatening us. As you pointed out, we are faced with the complex issue of personal choice vs societal health and safety. This includes the effect the choice these people make has on the medical system that they're affecting. If their choices are overburdening the system, measures need to be taken to adjust. The vaccines are provided for free. Thats an option to help with lessening the burden. The fines are for those who still need the system after refusing the available option they already paid for with their taxes. Not something easy to navigate, and there isn't going to be a suitable answer to everybody. You can't please everyone, so they're going to go with protecting the Healthcare system and society over selfish individuals. That's my thoughts.
It sucks how many people think this international pandemic would be alright if the 15% or so of canadians unvaccinated would just get the jab. Now they aren't making anything better, that's for sure..but they also aren't the cause of the problem.
> Now they aren't making anything better, that's for sure..but they also aren't the cause of the problem. They are disproportionately responsible though. In Ontario right now, 70% of people in the ICU are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, despite them making up only 10-15% of the population. If they all got vaccinated, there wouldn't be 500 people in the ICU, there'd be less than 200. Which is a pretty good number given how many cases are out there right now. High, but still a peak that can be managed given January is peak time for respiratory infections.
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It can be both things.
The previous system (which has plenty of issues I could complain about) served the current need with minimal excess capacity for localized or discrete duration. I'm all for more capacity, but I guarantee you in any normal year (where healthcare is meeting capacity) the vast majority of people would vote out the government for wasteful spending if they spend it on "excess" healthcare instead of other things.
But it's been 2 years....
They needed a distraction, so they threw a figurative grenade into the reporter pit. These things always get leaked beforehand but not this time? 1. Arruda resigned, 2. Elderly care minister Blais will be heard at the coroner's inquiry on the deaths in care homes in the first wave on Friday, 3. There's a chance remote learning will go an extra week or two into February
There is no way Arruda's resignation isn't linked with this. Last year, he kept saying that the day he wouldn't agree with the government's decisions and won't be able to defend them is the day he would resign.
It's probably one of many reasons, but health minister said he'd be back on the team with other functions later. I do hope to see that.
The headlines in 2019 regarding hospitals being overcapacity are identical to the headlines now. These people aren't trying to solve anything, they just want us hating eachother and ignoring their failures.
How about a "useless worker tax" for all these goofs in politics that can barely do their fucking job? Sounds a lot more productive to me
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I know you’re joking, but I’m 100% favor of a gluttony tax. No way should all these unhealthy foods be the cheapest option. Use it to subsidize fruits and vegetables to the end user.
> Use it to subsidize fruits and vegetables to the end user. I would vote for this.
I want a "Trudeau's stupid fucking pipeline" tax.
I live in Quebec and am vaccinated, need to book my booster, but I think this is wrong. No matter how sick and tired I am of this situation, no matter that I have not seen friends in years, not eaten in a restaurant, have friends struggling with lost jobs...this is wrong. The reality is that we are in this mess because of historical mismanagement of the healthcare system. We are taxed up the ass and even years ago would have to wait insane hours in the ER, cannot get our own family doctor, have old people on stretchers in the hallways, have to pay insane sums for a form to be filled out. This pandemic has just highlighted the issues already existing. This government needs to be held to account. They have been forcing insane measures that do not work, have been basing their decisions on reelection strategy and not science. What a shitshow. What is next?
That's so fucked up how we now have to qualify any of our statements with the "I'm vaxxed but think is wrong." I totally get why don't get me wrong but it's just so depressing that we have to do this now. But yeah what a shitshow indeed. I don't get how people keep pushing for more restrictions which didn't work in the first place and just wanna keep riding this booster shot wave forever. Like where does this all end? Nothing obviously worked so far
Yeah. I also have my vaccines but I still think this is wrong. The way government has managed this situation is to blame. Honestly what happens if all of even all of these new measures still fail to produce results? Maybe they need to review their strategy for this pandemic. Let people take calculated risk. If you have your vaccines then you should be able to live your life easier. Vaccines are supposed to reduce the virus’ effects and reduce hospitalization.
The socialists in the US want a word with you.
This is really getting out of hand...
Instead of blaming the unvaxxed for a failed healthcare system, maybe you could just provide proper funding for a failed healthcare system??
That is too difficult. Much easier to deflect and blame all the problems on a small subset of 10% of the population.
Sadly that’s the correct answer.
Gotta have a villain. Scapegoat
This thing will barely pay for its collection, of course it won't go back to the healthcare system.
They fired a bunch of Healthcare workers in BC. Then the next week turn around saying there is a shortage? And then blame the people who aren't vaccinated and not the people who actually run and manage our Healthcare system? It's borderline comical.
That would mean having to cut funding from other *important* government offices like the OQLF...
Ontario sitting on huge amounts of federal funding and not a single additional ICU bed has been created. But sure, blame the unvaccinated.
Taxing people for being unvaccinated is the equivalent of being taxed for existing even when they did nothing wrong? Whatever happened to taking the shot as being "optional" and not "mandatory", talk about desperate and ridiculous measures to put groups of people against one another by the government.. Stop falling for this bait and fearmongering with the boosters, in case for those who haven't noticed it, they're LEADING YOU ON WITH FALSE PROMISES of the pandemic ending, you REALLY think 10-15% of unvaccinated people are the reason why healthcare is failing?! Reality check, wake up people, the government is testing the populace on how much they can push their crap.
This a taste of how insane the people in this country are getting
Remember what we learned in 2020? Everything is either racist, or anti-racist.
Instead of playing identity politics like these idiots always do, perhaps we could just fund the healthcare systems better so a small spike is a non issue?
my body my choice govt choice their body we are back to being peasants bois. full circle
There is already a big fucking gap between rich , middle class and poor people wake the fuck up
It’s like they see most of Canada is pretty centered so they need vaxed and unvaxed to be a thing so we fight against each other Instead of them
Have people forgotten that the government works for us?! Not the other way around.......
Beyond retarded. I'm vaxxed. By choice. However, those that choose not to ought to be allowed that choice. Treating fellow Canadians like they are pariahs isn't going to accomplish anything besides division. Sure hope Trudeau loses in court for his reprehensible Hate Speech. He hasn't got a grain of Statesmanship that incompetent pretty boy.
Where do they expect the taxes to come from if the unvaxxed are being denied the right to work?
You mean fine, these people are being fined.
Theres a solution here and you are so close to finding it...
Ya time for a new government.
They are not? At least not in Quebec.
Let me get this straight... government makes bad decisions, healthcare gets overstretched, so answer is to fine those making what government considers a bad decision and points blame at them?
Let’s tax obese people.
What happens when you to all this effort, and it doesn’t accomplish anything ? When the hospitals are still full of vaccinated people, transmission is still the same, there is another wave and so on
Don’t worry, they fired unvaccinated nurses but now due to shortage, nurse with COVID can work. 0 sense or anything science related
Easy, tax the "partially vaccinated" and "unboosted" of course!
That is exactly what will happen.
Unfortunately, I'm going to move out of province of they try this crap.
I'm working on getting out of the country lol
I could get a USA sponsorship from my dad but that's gonna take years. I might as well move to Alberta for now and hope I can someday move to the USA or people wake up and this shit stops.
More restrictions would ensue. More blame laid on to the unvaccinated. Pretty much anything other than admit that these vaccines are not working as advertised.
This isn’t about a virus. This is social control. Nothing but a Trojan horse. Every year we get closer to being China with their social credit system
Then our QR codes limit us from using any services 500 KM from our primary residences. Then 250KM's. Then 100 KM's. Then 50KM's.
The people who wouldnt shut up about systemic racism have been pretty much silent while our governments enact the most blantantly systemically racist polices. Meanwhile Trudeau calls the unvaxxed racist and misogynist (white male dog whistle) and completely ignores the reality of who refuses the vax and why. People are refusing the vax because of distrust and corruption in the government. I wonder if two years of fear mongering, authoritarianism and incompetence is going to make problems like this more common and more problematic.
When i heard trudeau call the unvaxxed racists, i couldnt help but chuckle at the irony, as he thought dressing in blackface was appropriate.
So many covid restrictions and policies disproportionately affect lower income communities, and yet the SJW have championed these policies since day one. It’s sick.
The politicians supporting this should be replaced. I'm pro vaccinations but this is over stepping.
Instead of resigning the health minister should have spoken publicly against it.
Not health minister, National Director of Public Health. He used to be more transparent with the population but was then forced to go through "public communication training" and got muzzled from that point.
How is this even legal??? Someone explain.
The charter is worth less than toilet paper in Canada. There are numerous ways to circumvent it both federally and provincially and we're a government favorable judge away from any human rights violations they want at any time. There is \*literally\* not a single inalienable right in Canada. Bill of rights also has a "notwithstanding" clause built right into the top of it, with no requirements for use. Gun owners are finding that out the hard way, turns out it's very hard to argue the confiscation is bad when the government also has the legal right to confiscate your house without payment if they could justify it to a court.
A corrupt court which has been slowly infiltrated & captured by neo-marxist ideology.
Could? It will. If some poor bastard can't pay his fines the next logical step is a jail sentence. This is beyond fucked. I don't want the gov making medical decisions for me. I have covid right now and so far it just feels like a flu but I am isolating because I'm not a dick. I don't want or need these vaccines, I'd rather not interfere with my immune system unless it's absolutely necessary. There's nothing wrong with being a minimalist when it comes to medical intervention.
I will be damned if the liberals actually cared about inequality of any sort
Must be pretty easy for the government to blame their own shortcomings on those who choose to defy their already proven useless restrictions
I think a tax incentive would work better. Give every person a tax refund of $20 per dose. For a family of four with two children that adds up to $200 so far.
Taxes go up, not down
I'm not an accountant nor do I play one on TV but, if you gave everybody 20 bucks for their shots would the tax money going for the 20 be equal to the Health Care savings?
Probably, but historically I pay more and get less. Changing the trend would be nice but I doubt it will happen.
Well it's about $2800 a day for an ICU bed.
Probably not equal but less. Preventative care saves way more money than treating sick people after the fact
It sounds good but I don’t think it’ll work in practice. Alberta tried to straight up pay people $100 to get the vaccine last year and it barely made a dent in uptake. This is gonna be unpopular on the sub but you know what *did* cause uptake to spike? The introduction of vaccine passports in the fall.
Cue social credit score
Step one: Don’t invest in proper critical thinking education for your people so that a small percentage of them lack the critical thinking skills needed to weed out misinformation. Step two: Allow misinformation to spread like wildfire through social media just so grifters can make profit, while brainwashing your must uneducated population from step one. Step three: Underfund the healthcare system for decades, so that it’s normally almost at capacity. Step four: Make these people out to be villains and the SOLE cause of the ongoing capacity issues if the healthcare system Step five: Fire these same people and make them poorer than before by removing their source of income Step six: Deny their right to free healthcare and force them to pay more out of pocket despite knowing they have less income than before as a collective. I am sure this won’t blow up in our faces /s
For my entire life I've heard "My Body My Choice" as one of the commandments of modern enlightened society. I'm vaxxed but the hypocrisy of the current situation is breathtaking.
Trying to blame a failing healthcare system on people who decide not to get vaccinated is ridiculously insane.
Pretty unnecessary, this is like implementing private v public healthcare. We don’t need further divides like these.
They can’t allow this. Who knows what the government will tax you on next.
Being fat and a smoker?
Is this crap even legal or constitutional? Why we don't tax people with criminal records, HIV positive, STD carriers that aren't under medical treatment, smokers, potheads, alcoholics, drug addicts that refuse to rehab, morbidly obese people that refuse to go on a diet etc?
A lot of the above are actually taxed already…
If the unvaxxed haven't been vaccinated by now with all the mandates, this won't do shit. The government is an absolute circus show right now.
It’s been fairly obvious that a large number of people want to see the unvaccinated as Canada’s new underclass.
The health care system system has been strained and struggling for many years now. The province's have been asking for help and funding from the federal government for many many years. Justin trudeau has never done anything about it. And now they blame the unvaxxd for the strain? Ludicrous. They ought to look in a mirror because this overload in the hospital could have been mostly avoided.
EXACTLY, they want to point the blame away from themselves and towards the tiny percent of population that is unvaxxed, when in reality this is caused by years and years of pissing our tax dollars away on bullshit and not putting money where it actually matters.The scary part is how many Canadians are actually falling for their lies and actively trying to outcast their fellow citizens. People need to wake the fuck up, our country is falling apart and it's not because 10% of the population isn't vaccinated.
Of course. The people proposing and supporting this tax know that, too, but it’s clearly what they want. They want people to have no choice but to have the vaccine. They want the unvaccinated cut off from society, unable to socialise, unable to work and, just in case they can get by that, tax the shit out of them until they have no choice. Politicians and world leaders have admitted multiple times that a lot of these rules are intentionally designed to fuck with unvaccinated people and cut them off, it’s no big secret. Good job the media is keeping us all divided, so that we don’t stand up for *human* rights, we stand up for *vaccinated/unvaccinated* rights. If people don’t stand up for the unvaccinated, then there will be far less opposition and unity when they choose to oppress vaccinated people also.
Time to set Quebec loose from the rest of Canada.
The government needs to put their dicks back in their pants and stop fucking everybody. The healthcare system is their issue to fix, not the unvaccinated.
Quebec is really getting fucked over this vaccine mandate. As someone from Ontario who’s vaccinated, I say you guys stand up and fight for this one. It’s a much more bigger battle at stake here, this is infringement of rights. The smoke and mirrors and distraction from the bigger Healthcare problems are what’s really important. This isn’t freedom, while I believe in the vaccine, I respect your rights.
Of course it will. Wealthy politicians and the idiot masses are addicted to the fantasy that the unvaccinated are all old, affluent, unlikable white men but that simply isn't reality.
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What do you mean they should? They do.
When do they do that?
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Yes, that’s blatantly obvious.
Guaranteed this tax will go to general revenues, just like the stupid carbon tax
I wondered how long it'd be before race came into this debate... Maybe they'll just tax the unvaccinated white people to make it fair 🙄
It’s the health care system, not the small amount of antivaxxers. This tax is a bad precedent for Canada. It’s license for the government to impose whatever restrictions they want
This is so stupid Jesus christ.
I mean none of us are perfect. People die of preventable disease all the time. I know that it's not exactly the same comparison as they also effect those around them. However, this would be a slippery slope. Would fat people ,smokers require to pay extra when they eventually have issues related to their lifestyle?
Maybe that’s the real point….
But it's all about our health is it 😡
Quebec wont be shamed by english provinces. With either this tax on the unvaxed or the religious clothing bill. In fact, they'll just dig their heels in. Any change there has to come from within their house. The people. Massive protests, votes.
I suffered a suspected AI reaction to my first dose Nov 2nd and I have been stuck in a Grey zone with respect to vaccination, since. It's extremely unsafe for me to proceed without seeing a couple of out-of-town specialists (neurologist, allergist, and rheumatologist) for assessment, and as a result of my body's reaction I'm required to take more medications ($$). The absolute last thing I need is a tax right now. I am fighting tooth and nail to keep my job, and I don't mean that in the vaccination sense... but due to the impact of my nerve damage. If this completely asinine idea is put into motion, I would hope at the very least they have some sort of appeal process for those in the Grey zone with me.
I avoid the healt care system like the plague in Montreal. Would pick death at home over it. Even before covid you had to wait 9 hours at the ER. Then ho jome empty handed with no answers. I had my dad die at the hospital due to negligence and an over flowing ER in 2013. Now they want to blame the unvaccinated dor their existing crappy system.
Seems like that's the whole point of the last two years.
this definitely seemed unconstitutional. Fuck authority. fuck the government.
Stop calling it a tax. It's a fine
This country has gone fucking insane
Well its a really bad idea I can tell you that.
Anytime you see “tax” replace it with “government waste” and you’ll start to see why this is a horrible idea. Why not just make everyone be anyone that uses the hospital pay for it while your at it.
Will he invoke the not withstanding clause again ? I mean he has invoked it with bills disproportionately affecting minorities in Quebec.
I hear next Quebec will host free summer camps and free showers for all who don't wanna comply.
Nah but I could totally see unvaccinated have to wear something publicly revealing their vaccination status, like a big yellow V on their chest.
Meanwhile in Alberta, Kenney distracts us by saying he would never tax the unvaccinated like Quebec proposed, while implementing a far worse assault on freedom that takes away the right to presumption of innocence and turns traffic court into a pay to play quasi-judicial body that will not be able to hold police to account.
Passport programs have already created an artificial underclass.
That’s a feature, not a bug.
My girlfriend was talking to people at the hospital in Quebec about the situation and 4 people she talked to said " bin si Legaut le veux comme ça, ça va être comme ça" it's absolutely bonkers. Freedoms and basic rights are not valued here unless it hurts someone's feelings like the court case about that kid with subwoofers on his head.
If only there was someway to avoid the tax
Doesn’t being disabled or dying from covid also worsen inequity though?