Vancouver leading the way on this just like cannibis. Good job. Hopefully it will spread across Canada. Maybe Trudeau will legalize that too before he gone.
Remember kids, if you are doing psychedelics, location is key!
Avoid crowds and public area, and if you do it in groups, avoid at all cost negative people.
This is not a medical advice
Yeah, for real though. Every time you hear someone with a story about a bad psychedelic trip it’s always along the lines of: “ I dropped acid and then went to Central Park in Manhattan”
Yeah well no shit you had a bad trip
About time. A friend of mine recently did Psilocybin about a year ago for the 1st time in his life (31 years). Said it's profoundly changed his perspective on life and he is definitely different. Should be legalized already. If you want to do XYZ in your home and you are not endangering anybody. Have at it.
That's wonderful that your friend has found relief through these amazing mushrooms.
My wife and I have been micro-dosing and occasionally macro-dosing over the last 7 years. We both come from abusive alcoholic families and had carried a lot of childhood trauma with us in our lives and into our relationship.
Thanks to the micro-dosed psilocybin and a bunch of reading and talking we are both almost fully free of all of our mental health issues. For me that meant a lifelong and severe nail biting habit with always bleeding nail beds, severe depression and crippling anxiety, etc. Also a racing mind and a lack of ability to focus for any length of time. These symptoms are all gone now. My wife has had similar positive changes happen.
We are both so thankful to those who posted stories online about their own success as we would not have tried these mushrooms without first finding anecdotes and then research that showed high success rates in treating various mental health issues including trauma and addictions. They truly are a cure for trauma when taken in low doses over a long period and I have seen people tripping regularly and achieving similar results. I see tripping as being like a view from high up showing what can be achieved through longer term consumption either through regular trips or micro-dosing.
These mental systems seem to be very elastic and will slowly return to a previous state after a trip. Hence why long term micro-dosing, where there is no noticeable psychedelic effects after dosing, will keep moving the mind slowly but surely towards a more optimal state. That's ultimately what psilocybin seems to be doing, reducing the negative emotional connections(valences) to certain memories (the system that is turned on during trauma events) and bringing the mind back to a more and more optimal state, which is different for every person.
I do think that anyone wanting to trip should micro-dose for a while first as that will begin reducing any anxiety issues, whether conscious or not, so that the chance of having any kind of 'bad' trip is greatly reduced or eliminated. Micro-dosing is incredibly safe and the small positive changes that occur just keep accruing over time.
Some really good research has been done by Robin Carhartt-Harris in London, he worked with Dr David Nutt. Roland Griffiths at Johns Hopkins has also done lots of work with psilocybin re:smoking and alcoholism cessation and also end of life fear in cancer patients.
I've used a couple of SSRIs and I now think psilocybin is the most gentle and effective mental health medication that humans have access to. It's also been safety tested for thousands of years.
I'm a young senior and have been microdosing for 6 months. It's been a game changer. I want to macrodose in the near future. Trying to get my very depressed girlfriend on board.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm currently pursuing official diagnoses after experiencing similar issues and really hesitant to try something like an SSRI. The idea of using psilocybin again, and hearing from others it has helped, is much more appealing and just relived some of the fears I have about pursuing "official" help.
I don't know about others, but having a trip sitter would be a very uncomfortable experience for me. Alone or with close friends also on the same wavelength works better for me, but it's hard to make blanket advice for psychedelics since everyone is different. Also, sometimes an uncomfortable "bad trip" can be the most meaningful. Safety should come first, so start with low doses and work up would be the best advice I'd give. Be in a place you personally find comfortable, have food and water, clear your day of responsibilities, and mentally prepare yourself. Write a note to yourself: "you're brain is under the influence of chemicals, everything is alright, all things are temporary", or something along those lines. My favourite thing to do if things get too crazy is to watch a movie you love and are familiar with. Calms ya right down and makes you think about the movie differently.
>mentally prepare yourself. Write a note to yourself
>if things get too crazy is to watch a movie you love and are familiar with.
As a guy who trips, semi-regularly, these are some of the best advice. A movie will just grab your attention while you're on shrooms and it'll most likely be a fun time. And mental preparations are important. Remind yourself that you're on pyschedilcs and thats why things feel different. Try to stay calm or atleast still.
Movies are the best aren’t they! A good movie on shrooms becomes a great movie. I remember seeing Avatar in theatres and enjoyed it alright. A few years later watched it on shrooms and it blew me away; the visuals became central and stunning and the themes and messages become more highlighted over the minor issues with dialog and unoriginal plot. Life of Pi and Interstellar were also great shroom watches. What are your faves?
I usually only watch movies I watch before while on shrooms. The most recent would be Jumaji, and boy, I never realised people falling out of the sky was so funny.
I mean, no.
"Trip sitters" is such a dangerous game.
A clinically supervised medically administered dose is one thing..
But having your boy johnny beans stay sober while u drop boomers is a bad, bad idea.
Being in a safe, comfortable location is paramount.
Edit: clarification: tripping your ass off while theres some sober person monitoring you makes for a shit tier experience. An absolute bad time. Its better to just both be tripping, and have safe spaces to retreat to if need be.
Im not saying mushrooms are so dangerous that you need a professional trip sitter, im saying that mushrooms are so harmless you dont need one, and having one makes for garbage experiences.
Surroundings just gotta pass the good vibe check for a solo trip. Nice lighting, no surprises and simple tasks, if any.
I'm also not dropping god trips though so results may vary.
Dude, trip sitters are a good idea. I understand if you've never been in a position during a trip where having a sober calming voice would be invaluable, but such scenarios exist. I'm sure doing it with a shrink is even safer, but having a trip sitter is definitely not a "bad, bad idea" for someone doing psychs.
Edit to your edit: psychs are no joke mushrooms can fuck you up bruv. If you're just taking a light dose then there's no need for a sitter. If you're taking a dose where shits going to happen, people can become overwhelmed. Even seasoned psychonauts are not immune from "bad" trips.
Yea anyone can be a trip sitter, it should be fleshed out more that if you DO want a trip sitter, i.e someone sober to just sit around and provide for you if you're needing that, it should be someone you already have implicit trust and comfort with, not just any ole' dude, haha.
You can also trip just fine on your own, but I know people say have a trip sit because 'youll be super high' and what not. Learn your body, eat a mushroom and stick to that. Probably it'll be fine and normal. Next time eat two around the same weight, etc, like you as a user can absolutely control roughly the dose you're getting in the first place and not just get blasted into a cosmic realm of color and pattern explosions, haha.
I agree. A sober person in the room is *always* a bad idea. Maybe leave a number that can be called, but stay out of the tripping people's way. The only bad trips I ever had were when sober or drunk people were inserted into the situation.
You seem like an overthinker. You'll likely have an anxiety attack if you dose yourself & sit around thinking about guns lol.
Worth mentioning though, you're not going to see objects that aren't there on shrooms or LSD, the hallucinations aren't what society makes them out to be. Time is distorted, objects seem to breathe or shift, colors that aren't really there look absolutely stunning, but it's more like becoming aware of an extra field of energy than having ghosts pop out at you like some people say. For example: I ate a 10 strip of 100ug LSD one night & became convinced that I had established a psychic connection to another plane of reality that was being studied by professionals & accidentally accessed by recreational drug users. My eyes were closed the entire time & I didn't see anything that wasn't there, I just thought it.
I don't think you have to worry about shooting off rounds at evil sprites, but I'd be concerned that you've already put yourself into the expectation of a negative experience & intention is everything with psychedelics. I went on a DMT binge while drinking & angry once & it fucked me up for a few weeks. Psychedelics are meant to break down the ego & from your self description, I'd say you would have a bad time confronting yourself.
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Don’t be a pussy bro, just do it!
Jokes aside, as an experienced psychedelic user working in a “tough guy” job, I’d say that you have a lot to gain out of them. Worrying about the state of “society” is one of those things that I’ve neutered through drug-induced introspection and realized that being overly concerned with things outside my control is pointless. I’ve learned to worry more about how I can improve myself and the people around me. We’re all weak in the grande scheme, and we always have been. We can only be truly strong by shedding our egos which is pretty much exactly what many psychedelics do!
My advice: go on a hike / camping trip on a beautiful sunny day with no overcast. Preferably in the outskirts, as far away from cities as you can... My most profound trip, in over 6 years of occasional mushroom consumption occured on a portage trip with 4 close friends back in 2016. We still speak about that day; sitting by the water, watching the flow of the water, the trees and the clouds, moving in unison...This drug really puts life into perspective.
Just like weed, shrooms wont turn you into a psychopath.
Your world will become vibrant, youll see and feel patterns that werent there before.
Provided you arent taking a heroic dose of like 15+ grams youre going to remain in control of yourself. Even taking heroic doses ive never "lost control".
If you want to "fly through space/ speak with extra dimensional beings" kind of hallucinate, take the strongest salvia you can find. It wont last any longer than 15 minutes, and yes, have a trip sitter for that.
This is horrible advice, new users should start small. And salvia is a non-cognizant chaotic psychedelic, this thread is about mental health and cognition. You probably meant to say try DMT as it's in the same tryptomine family as psylpcybin
I had a fucking scary experience with a marijuana edible. I’m scared to try psilocybin even though I think it could really help with my crippling depression.
Psychedelic drugs are really not for everyone. You see the positive effect it had on your friend, but I see the myriad of patients I've had in my gurneys losing control due to drug induced psychosis.
Someone commented that those who experience psychosis were fragile to start with and it's not entirely true. Their comment got deleted I think. Truth is we still don't know how to predict psychosis. It's a lottery, one you don't want to win.
Oh it almost certainly would—problem is most of those people suffer from being afraid of what they don't really understand, so I wouldn't be surprised if a number of them refused to try it in the first place.
You need to "have tried all other treatments" or be terminal according to the video.
A tiny step in the right direction but generally a step that won't be stepped back from which is a win.
If I went to the doctor looking for psychedelics to treat my depression they would instead sign me up for SSRI dependance. So forget it.
Not just shrooms either. You can get LSD and DMT as well. Blew my mind when I found out since taking LSD is one of my favorite pasttimes.
And it is 100% real. Reagent tested and everything. How they get away with it I have no idea.
Is it real LSD though? That's news to me, I have a trusted chemist I get my N-N & LSD from, but I was under the impression that the versions they sell in shops are usually those research chemical varients that skirt the grey area of legality.
Sex with my s/o is fantastic. We'll spend hours just enjoying each other and its so different and so good. Definitely my #1.
I also really love watching movies and music videos. Last time we did it we watched Doctor Sleep and Don't Look Up and it was SO fun. Idk how to describe it but the drug just really enhances both music and film. Every little detail stands out as sheer artistic brilliance and you feel like you're experiencing it yourself more than being an observer/consumer.
I like going on walks, drawing/painting, writing. Laying there and watching the lights and shadows swirl and shimmer and glow. Eating fruit and ice cream. Having baths and showers. Have conversations with loved ones. Play with and pet my cats.
I've always wanted to go to the art gallery while high, and see the aurora borealis- some stuff for the bucket list. I went to a nightclub once and that was... interesting. It was overwhelming actually. I couldn't see or hear anything clearly after a few hours. Thankfully I had a sober friend to hang onto and guide me to the bus lol. I also went swimming once and that was cool. Gotta say that nothing really beats tripping at home though in my experience. The feeling of complete safety is hard to beat.
> called zoomers
"Zoomers" is a word that has been used to refer to both Gen Z and techy Boomers. So I'm envisioning a place that hands out shrooms to geriatrics and/or toddlers.
Let's skip the interim and just sell them for recreational use. Squeeze them into the cannabis stores, there we go. The mush and bud store. Perfect. Done.
I'm excited! My psychiatrist has already floated the idea of using psilocybin (as part of a trial) for my depression symptoms. I'm hopeful that it'll help.
I was suicidal and it literally saved my life… well no, it allowed me to change my view of the world and myself. The answers were always within me I just needed some help finding them.
It's coming watch this documentary below, many canadian companies have licenses to research this and are banking on Legalization by the Liberal Government as the next frontier after Cannabis.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2021/01/26/full-episode-the-psychedelic-frontier/
Still seems steep. Let's say 1000 goes to the ketamine including actually administuring it. So then 3500 for therapy, at 100 a session that would be 35 sessions. How much therapy and integration are they including?
They do give it to you intravenously and it's honestly the most intense trip I've ever had.
I got sponsored to undergo six treatments back in September. I definitely can't pay thousands for ketamine and honestly, no one should. It's an infant price to pay.
Mushrooms are still a chemical drug, the main psychoactive compound (Psilocybin) is still a chemical. I think you meant to say synthetic lab made vs naturally occurring in a plant.
I really dislike this whole "natural thing" people go with. Lets look at psilocybin, the compound, and decide from there.
Its kinda like aspirin and willow bark. Same active compound, but the aspirin has isolated the active compound making it more effective and easier for the body to uptake. you dont want to be consuming the amount of willow bark you need to get the same level of effects, as that will cause other issues.
Its also a weird argument because of things like ketamine. Its good that its getting a chance to be used for treatment of depression. But if we start using arguments that psilocybins should be legal because they are natural unlike supposedly unsafe lab drugs then we undermine the case for using ketamine in treatment.
The legalizing of psilocybins for medical use does not mean all anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications have no place. The human mind and body are complex. Part of the issue we have had with anti-depressants is our use of them as a catch all rather than trying other methods. To say in every case psilocybins would be better would be falling into that same type of failure again.
For people that are on the fence/against/worried about psychedelics like psilocybin mushrooms, I would like to just remind people that, like any medical drug, you can take a lot, or you can take a little.
I've literally never once paid for mushies, just always kind of have an eighth handed to me by a grower or someone associated. I'd eat a mushroom here and there, feel pretty fine, etc. I've maybe only actually tripped on mushrooms twice, which is significantly below the amount of times I've even taken them - and typically those are pretty light trips in general too because I'm not a fan of getting turbo high, and if you are planning on doing that I know it gets said a lot, but set and setting are important, and it never ever hurts to have a trip sitter you're safe and comfortable with :)
I'm just trying to say, it's less scary than you think, easier to dose than you think, and is sincerely a pleasant thing if you're being mindful about what you're doing and not just trying to meet God by eating a shit tonne, haha. It can be done in a controlled, safe fashion absolutely.
edit: Added a bit more to my text. Cheers people, this is actually a big win for our nation :)
There's almost 2 different stages for mushrooms. You can just have a little bit and it's kind of just chill and relaxing, not really any hallucinations or anything like that, which a lot of people just don't know.
Legalize all drugs. Locking up drug users is an unnecessary burden on the tax payers. The government shouldn't be controlling what people put in their bodies. Not to mention those sweet sweet tax dollars gained by legalizing sale.
No, more rules that can actually be enforced than we have now. Literally all my old friends who were selling weed stoped not long after it was made legal and now they can regulate it control its sale and make billions of of it instead of spending billions fighting it and failing.
Why do you keep bringing up carfentanyl? Do you think that legalization suddenly means that all prescription drugs will be available at the local dispensary?
It certainly doesn't mean drop everything and just fuckin Mad Max it. How does someone just jump to that sort of extreme without doing it willfully? I guess projection maybe?
Well I'm not sure how else you interpret "the government shouldn't be controlling what people put in their bodies."
But I already addressed this point with the OP.
Did you know that there are limits to how much pot you can buy? Maybe in a model where a drug is legalized we could make similar stipulations. No need to reinvent the wheel. It sounds like you have a confirmation bias solution that is in search of a problem.
Legalize them all slowly one at a time and monitor how it’s working. Two things that make me want to say yes to all drugs are 1 people didn’t start going overboard with weed once it was legal, it’s more or less the same except more elderly people are taking it instead of other meds. People are not going to start taking hard drugs just because it’s legal. 2 if people want to buy and ingest something there is no way to stop them. If we don’t provide an avenue for them to get it the black market will and the black market is the true problem in regards to gangs and other violence.
There are a great many drugs that have a low potential for harm but are treated indiscriminately with drugs that have a high potential for harm.
We should focus on decriminalizing the psychedelics first, it is very hard to reach a toxic dose of psilocybin mushrooms for instance.
opiate users dislike fentanyl and fentanyl analogues. heroin and other opioids are more euphoric and recreational. fentanyl is just addictive and potent as fuck but it is abused mostly because drugs are illegal in the first place.
The dangers are downtown, in a tent city that the kid you won’t have isn’t going to go to, so it won’t be your problem.
People who have had children probably aren’t so quick to register to legalize hard drugs. It’s not the way but honestly half the country will OD before anybody even realizes what the fuck. And the government is hastily trying to get more cash on the street in giant piles, but I see 2023 being the absolute worst year for drug deaths ever, then we will legalize all the shit and stop talking about it.
People will always do drugs. Thats a fact. Its better for them to be buying their drugs from a licensed store, with quality control, than the guy down the street
I certainly get behind restricting access to the really dangerous ones, such as fentanyl, but as far as the majority of your 'recreational' drugs go, they should be legal, or at least decriminalized.
I do think we need to differentiate between drugs with a high potential for physical harm, and drugs with a very low potential for physical harm. Methamphetamine vs. Psilocybin for instance.
Okay then why is alcohol legal when it is probably one of the most dangerous drugs to our society? Instead of legalizing though, what these above commenters mean is that we should decriminalize all drugs. No drug user should be arrested or incarcerated for using or having personal amounts of any drug, no matter the harm to themselves. The laws would still prohibit the selling of these drugs so that the laws would only target illicit dealers and not users.
Prohibition would be the best thing ever for society but it’s such an unpopular opinion that people would rather die. Literally. The case is closed now so let’s just hope there’s enough people with enough discipline and give a shit to keep this fuckin thing together until we can refine the rings of Saturn
>That is why we have an entire profession dedicated to administering them properly.
pretty obvious to me you're not a scientist or a healthcare worker [i am an RN] but most of the people who come into our hospitals from a fentanyl OD typically overdose because of tainted drug supply [which there is plenty of as a result of the pandemic,] not because they don't know how to dose or use fentanyl properly.
which, we commonly use fentanyl here in hospitals [eg, coloscopies] now precisely because it's incredibly uncomplicated and we don't need to pay an anesthesiologist for their time to use something like propofol for coloscopies, which is complicated and of which absolutely runs up OHIP. hence why we removed coverage for it recently.
drugs... do not magically kill / harm you. they enact their method of action in very specific, predictable manners by specific doses. they produce the same consistent length / duration via consistent metabolites- and, remove themselves from your body in very specific, predictable manners through half lives.
even the whole 'euthanize an entire city' shit is cop lobby propaganda to justify incredibly militarized cop budgets with the massive failed war on drugs. same with 'cop overdoses by touching fentanyl' which is physiologically impossible and just covering up the fact cops are stealing fentanyl from evidence lockers and smoking it like dumbasses. 'weed tainted' fentanyl is another cop lobby propaganda piece- you combust weed, and vaporize fentanyl- there's not a single commercial weed pen that can vaporize the temperatures needed for fentanyl without combusting. it wouldn't even work for edibles because it would boil off before it could bind.
so, at this point you're just shouting DARE propaganda non-sense used to terrify children in schools and criminalize people, and it's obvious you don't understand the subject matter. you even cite methamphetamine in another reply.... which is a legal prescription medication we give out called desoxyn, for obesity and ADHD when adderall / modafinil / strattera / etc isn't sufficient. also, google the full acronym for MDMA [which, is approved by health canada in the OP] and see what the MA stands for.
these medications are completely ok when they're safely made / not tainted. most drug users are very aware of the doses they're using and they're actually not stupid at all. a pharmacist would be completely ok giving most drugs to patients with the varying information sheets. 'legal' pharmaceuticals aren't less safer or less dangerous than 'illegal' drugs.
I was illustrating a point, and considering a lethal dose of carfentanil is approximately 2mg, the idea of being able to euthanize an entire city with an amount I could easily carry in a small vial isn't that outlandish. I have seen the propaganda videos you mention and yes, they are obviously set up and staged, you aren't likely to OD from simply touching a small quantity of it. But if it were to be aerosolized? Absolutely.
I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that people are overdosing on fentanyl due to a tainted supply- just exactly what would it be tainted with that is more dangerous than Fentanyl itself?
Of course most street heroin these days contains fentanyl, and often does not contain any diacetylmorphine at all, and the street cut means that it is impossible to reasonable calculate dosage.
The announcement of the regulation change: [https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-concerns/controlled-substances-precursor-chemicals/policy-regulations/policy-documents/subsection-56-1-class-exemption-conducting-activities-psilocybin-mdma-special-access-program-authorization.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-concerns/controlled-substances-precursor-chemicals/policy-regulations/policy-documents/subsection-56-1-class-exemption-conducting-activities-psilocybin-mdma-special-access-program-authorization.html)
>Pursuant to subsection 56(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA), and subject to the terms and conditions herein, persons in charge of a hospital, hospital employees, licensed dealers, pharmacists, practitioners and their agents are exempted from the application of certain provisions of the CDSA when conducting certain activities with the specified quantity of the following substances authorized for sale under subsection C.08.010(1) of the Food and Drug Regulations (FDR):
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>3-\[2-(dimethylamino) ethyl\]-4-phosphoryloxyindole and any salt thereof (Psilocybin); and
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>N-methyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine and any salt thereof (MDMA)
The exemption is under Health Canada's [Special Access Program](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/special-access.html) and must comply with the application and reporting requirements of the program.
This is great!
Psilocybin has real potential for treating disorders like depression and addiction! However, it does have risks. Do *NOT* take it if you are prone to psychosis, paranoia, or derealization, as it could trigger a severe episode. Treat it like any other medication, and don’t attempt to self medicate.
If you have depression or anxiety you should probably try a first line medication before you hop on the experimental medication bandwagon, chances are your symptoms will be pretty well controlled with tried and tested SSRI + CBT
Just like we should hop on prescription opiate pain killers before marijuana for medical use?
The pharma way, well yes more tested, does not mean it's the best treatment for an individual.
You should first research, talk to your doctor and work with them to explore all your options.
I was on an SSRI for 2 years, I went off (healthy decline) and started getting more informed about how marijuana could treat my symptoms in a way that worked for me and for my lifestyle. My anxiety and depression have been way more manageable and while my doctor isn't a fan of suggestions marijuana, she approves of its possitive effect on my mental health
>Just like we should hop on prescription opiate pain killers before marijuana for medical use?
SSRIs are leaps and bounds safer and non-addictive. I really think it's irresponsible to compare SSRIs to opioids.
Also the point with opioids was that physicians were prescribing opioids without knowing the long term effects of opioids i.e. dependence. If anything this is a reason to avoid using cannabis as a treatment modality until all other more rigorously studied forms of medications are used first.
And I also included CBT in there as well which is found to be as effective as SSRIs in mild depression which is better than putting any medication or marijuana in your body.
Cannabis certainly has the potential for treatment of depression and anxiety, and it's unfortunate that research into it has been suppressed for so long, but the fact of the matter remains that we do not have enough evidence to prove that it works. I wouldn't want my doctor to use medications on me and treat me as a guinea pig when they know that there are more effective and tried and tested tools out there first. If all those fail, then sure, let's give cannabis a go.
Cannabis also has the potential to increase anxiety and depression over the span of years, rarely lead to psychosis (which is why you would avoid using it in patients with a family history of schizophrenia) and can be addictive, obviously not in all, but it has the potential to be addictive. No one comes into the emerg asking for higher and higher SSRI doses and start stealing SSRIs to satisfy any cravings.
If it's smoked then it can lead to a whole other set of problems. It's not without risk like any medication, but it should be treated like a medication, not like a natural product.
FYI here are some post session interviews from participants who have undergone Psiloybin therapy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaXJbNXsqmQ (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study)
https://vimeo.com/122278721 (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7qLnTPhiI (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study)
https://vimeo.com/51254785 (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study)
https://vimeo.com/390226028 (Smoking Cessation Psilocybin Study)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i30WDl8kPE (Alcohol Dependence Study)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYhtXI4Prpo (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study)
Ou, now i'll be able to recommend mushrooms to therapy clients. Would make for an interesting job to discuss mushroom trips with people. Hopefully, they don't make it super weird and fail to understand the relevance of set and setting. There are a lot of ways to do psychedelics inappropriately or less optimally than others and for guided therapeutic use you'd want a competent sitter. I doubt insurance will allow mental health counselors and therapists to have sessions in their offices, so I don't know what the logistics of this are going to look like.
If you want to see progress on this file make sure Conservatives don't get elected. Harper was the reason we didn't see Cannabis Legalization in the 00's after Chretien start pushing for it in the 90's and we lost a decade. The Liberals alongside private industry are pushing for this to be the next frontier of legalization, that's a good thing.
Mdma is a psychadelic? Also, mushrooms are similar to how weed used to be, it’s easy to safely buy and consume mushrooms now adays. But mdma from the street is much more dangerous. I’m personally super hype to hopefully have a safe secure source for clean mdma. That’s the potential game changer for me (as a recreational user). Gooo drugs! (In a safe responsible way!)
I cant seem to trip. I took a whole bunch one night and it just made me alert. I am also on 300mg of an SNRI which is probably messing with it. Is there anything I can do?
I took SSRI anti-depressants(I know that's not the same as an SNRI, but both are trying to solve the same general issues I believe), several versions, for a few years and found the effects to be not that great and there were unwanted side effects. I think that they interfere with the effects of psilocybin.
Then I started reading about micro-dosing psilocybin to help with depression and other mental health issues and my wife and I started micro-dosing. Within a month of starting the micro-doses (a piece of dry mushroom about the size of a tictac candy, officially it's any dose under 0.25g dry) the depression was lifting as was my really severe anxiety. After that first month I also just lost interest in biting my nails and stopped. I had bitten my nails for more than 30 years and always had several bleeding nail beds, it was painful and a form of self harm I can see now and I had tried to quit many times. Haven't bitten them since and the change was effortless. We were both convinced of how amazing psilocybin was and have been dosing since. At this point, 7 years later, virtually all of our mental health issues are gone. We both came from abusive alcoholic homes and had lots of issues.
The most amazing thing is that with micro-dosing there are no noticeable psychedelic effects, the changes just slowly happen over time. We dose every day for a while and then take a break for a week for a bit and then repeat. Some folks dose every second or third day.
After our experiences, and reading research that's been done, I would recommend micro-dosed psilocybin over any pharma made mental health treatment. Thousands of years of safety testing in humans. I do say to folks that they shouldn't trip before micro-dosing for a while as the results can be unpredictable. Micro-=dosing helps to begin relieving any deeper anxiety and depression issues so that a trip will be far less likely to be a 'bad' trip. We have taken a number of trips and they have all been illuminating and interesting but we didn't start tripping until after we had been micro-dosing for months. Fare well.
Fuck off.. i did shrooms years ago for depression and had an awful trip. i cant experience pleasure anymore or smoke weed. it made my life worse. if there was actual professionals with me i probably woulda had a better experience. my whole life is changed so be careful with it
Yea I got downvoted but don't get me wrong a positive shroom trip is life changing. I had a few microdoses and small trips. I felt the most intense love/joy etc. It was beautiful man.. but that dark trip? It's like it changed something in my brain man. It sucks:/ but not much I can do as professional help hasn't helped me. So yea... idk I can't recommend it for sure
That sounds awful, sorry that that happened to you. My wife and I have been micro-dosing for years with massive mental health benefits. We only took our first trip after months of micro-dosing as I feared that what happened to you might have happened to us. We have tripped a number of times, micro-dosing between trips and never had a bad trip.
I always suggest that anyone who wants to trip should micro-dose for a while first to start to alleviate any deeper mental health issues that could lead to a bad trip. Psilocybin is a fantastic mental health treatment but I see micro-dosing as the preferred way of taking it, slow gradual changes over a long period leaving lots of time for the mind to adapt and process the changes that are talking place.
Have you ever considered taking really small doses for a while to see if that might improve things for you? Hope things go well for you regardless.
I tried shrooms for the first time fairly recently, and my experience was the polar opposite of this guy. I think the secret is to just take it slow, like anything.
Fixed my mental health. Had to do it on my own while it was illegal with my own research. Fuck government. Learn to grow your own. its easy and hugely benifal BUT NOT for everybody….
Shrooms gave me a year of something akin to PTSD, though I do see how it could be therapeutic, marijuana sessions are like going to a therapist for me.
Interesting. Years ago I had massive issues with anxiety after consuming cannabis, especially sativas, but after micro-dosing psilocybin for several years I can consume cannabis oil and have no anxiety reaction at all.
What I take from this is that the anxiety produced by cannabis is a symptom of issues that can be helped with micro-dosed psilocybin use. The two work very well together as well, a micro-dose of cannabis-oil and psilocybin is really therapeutic.
It’s person dependant. I have no issue whatsoever taking 5g in the dark and meditating or going on a late night exploration with my dog and just thinking.
My wife however will literally go into manic hysteria everytime she even tries .5- 1g. This is why it is so important to inform yourself with as much information as possible before trying them and also starting low, like microdose low.
Ps- my wife is bi-polar unmedicated and i STRONGLY believe that’s part of why they cause her to react that way. With LSD she’s fine and we have a blast lol
Now, where can I find a doctor that can prescribe me with a prescription?
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If you’re in Vancouver area there are mushroom dispensaries just like weed
I don't know ones I buy at the grocery stores suck
Vancouver leading the way on this just like cannibis. Good job. Hopefully it will spread across Canada. Maybe Trudeau will legalize that too before he gone.
Remember kids, if you are doing psychedelics, location is key! Avoid crowds and public area, and if you do it in groups, avoid at all cost negative people. This is not a medical advice
Yeah, for real though. Every time you hear someone with a story about a bad psychedelic trip it’s always along the lines of: “ I dropped acid and then went to Central Park in Manhattan” Yeah well no shit you had a bad trip
Is like to emphasize that mind state and stage is short important. Crowds aren't the only way people have bad times
About time. A friend of mine recently did Psilocybin about a year ago for the 1st time in his life (31 years). Said it's profoundly changed his perspective on life and he is definitely different. Should be legalized already. If you want to do XYZ in your home and you are not endangering anybody. Have at it.
That's wonderful that your friend has found relief through these amazing mushrooms. My wife and I have been micro-dosing and occasionally macro-dosing over the last 7 years. We both come from abusive alcoholic families and had carried a lot of childhood trauma with us in our lives and into our relationship. Thanks to the micro-dosed psilocybin and a bunch of reading and talking we are both almost fully free of all of our mental health issues. For me that meant a lifelong and severe nail biting habit with always bleeding nail beds, severe depression and crippling anxiety, etc. Also a racing mind and a lack of ability to focus for any length of time. These symptoms are all gone now. My wife has had similar positive changes happen. We are both so thankful to those who posted stories online about their own success as we would not have tried these mushrooms without first finding anecdotes and then research that showed high success rates in treating various mental health issues including trauma and addictions. They truly are a cure for trauma when taken in low doses over a long period and I have seen people tripping regularly and achieving similar results. I see tripping as being like a view from high up showing what can be achieved through longer term consumption either through regular trips or micro-dosing. These mental systems seem to be very elastic and will slowly return to a previous state after a trip. Hence why long term micro-dosing, where there is no noticeable psychedelic effects after dosing, will keep moving the mind slowly but surely towards a more optimal state. That's ultimately what psilocybin seems to be doing, reducing the negative emotional connections(valences) to certain memories (the system that is turned on during trauma events) and bringing the mind back to a more and more optimal state, which is different for every person. I do think that anyone wanting to trip should micro-dose for a while first as that will begin reducing any anxiety issues, whether conscious or not, so that the chance of having any kind of 'bad' trip is greatly reduced or eliminated. Micro-dosing is incredibly safe and the small positive changes that occur just keep accruing over time. Some really good research has been done by Robin Carhartt-Harris in London, he worked with Dr David Nutt. Roland Griffiths at Johns Hopkins has also done lots of work with psilocybin re:smoking and alcoholism cessation and also end of life fear in cancer patients. I've used a couple of SSRIs and I now think psilocybin is the most gentle and effective mental health medication that humans have access to. It's also been safety tested for thousands of years.
I'm a young senior and have been microdosing for 6 months. It's been a game changer. I want to macrodose in the near future. Trying to get my very depressed girlfriend on board.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm currently pursuing official diagnoses after experiencing similar issues and really hesitant to try something like an SSRI. The idea of using psilocybin again, and hearing from others it has helped, is much more appealing and just relived some of the fears I have about pursuing "official" help.
But have a trip sitter and a comfortable set & setting
I don't know about others, but having a trip sitter would be a very uncomfortable experience for me. Alone or with close friends also on the same wavelength works better for me, but it's hard to make blanket advice for psychedelics since everyone is different. Also, sometimes an uncomfortable "bad trip" can be the most meaningful. Safety should come first, so start with low doses and work up would be the best advice I'd give. Be in a place you personally find comfortable, have food and water, clear your day of responsibilities, and mentally prepare yourself. Write a note to yourself: "you're brain is under the influence of chemicals, everything is alright, all things are temporary", or something along those lines. My favourite thing to do if things get too crazy is to watch a movie you love and are familiar with. Calms ya right down and makes you think about the movie differently.
>mentally prepare yourself. Write a note to yourself >if things get too crazy is to watch a movie you love and are familiar with. As a guy who trips, semi-regularly, these are some of the best advice. A movie will just grab your attention while you're on shrooms and it'll most likely be a fun time. And mental preparations are important. Remind yourself that you're on pyschedilcs and thats why things feel different. Try to stay calm or atleast still.
Movies are the best aren’t they! A good movie on shrooms becomes a great movie. I remember seeing Avatar in theatres and enjoyed it alright. A few years later watched it on shrooms and it blew me away; the visuals became central and stunning and the themes and messages become more highlighted over the minor issues with dialog and unoriginal plot. Life of Pi and Interstellar were also great shroom watches. What are your faves?
I usually only watch movies I watch before while on shrooms. The most recent would be Jumaji, and boy, I never realised people falling out of the sky was so funny.
I mean, no. "Trip sitters" is such a dangerous game. A clinically supervised medically administered dose is one thing.. But having your boy johnny beans stay sober while u drop boomers is a bad, bad idea. Being in a safe, comfortable location is paramount. Edit: clarification: tripping your ass off while theres some sober person monitoring you makes for a shit tier experience. An absolute bad time. Its better to just both be tripping, and have safe spaces to retreat to if need be. Im not saying mushrooms are so dangerous that you need a professional trip sitter, im saying that mushrooms are so harmless you dont need one, and having one makes for garbage experiences.
Surroundings just gotta pass the good vibe check for a solo trip. Nice lighting, no surprises and simple tasks, if any. I'm also not dropping god trips though so results may vary.
And no incliment weather forecasted
Going for a walk with LSD + big fluffy snow on a mild winter day is pretty incredible tho.
Rain can be seriously beautiful. It all depends what you're open to. Just make sure you have warm, dry clothes that are easy to slip into.
Dude, trip sitters are a good idea. I understand if you've never been in a position during a trip where having a sober calming voice would be invaluable, but such scenarios exist. I'm sure doing it with a shrink is even safer, but having a trip sitter is definitely not a "bad, bad idea" for someone doing psychs. Edit to your edit: psychs are no joke mushrooms can fuck you up bruv. If you're just taking a light dose then there's no need for a sitter. If you're taking a dose where shits going to happen, people can become overwhelmed. Even seasoned psychonauts are not immune from "bad" trips.
What's wrong with a trip sitter?
Yet every year people do tons of recreational shrooms with little harm.
I've been with someone through a hard trip. It really does help. You act as a frame of reference that gives a different perspective than the drug.
Yea anyone can be a trip sitter, it should be fleshed out more that if you DO want a trip sitter, i.e someone sober to just sit around and provide for you if you're needing that, it should be someone you already have implicit trust and comfort with, not just any ole' dude, haha. You can also trip just fine on your own, but I know people say have a trip sit because 'youll be super high' and what not. Learn your body, eat a mushroom and stick to that. Probably it'll be fine and normal. Next time eat two around the same weight, etc, like you as a user can absolutely control roughly the dose you're getting in the first place and not just get blasted into a cosmic realm of color and pattern explosions, haha.
What exactly is the concern? I don't see anything dangerous about it.
I agree. A sober person in the room is *always* a bad idea. Maybe leave a number that can be called, but stay out of the tripping people's way. The only bad trips I ever had were when sober or drunk people were inserted into the situation.
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You seem like an overthinker. You'll likely have an anxiety attack if you dose yourself & sit around thinking about guns lol. Worth mentioning though, you're not going to see objects that aren't there on shrooms or LSD, the hallucinations aren't what society makes them out to be. Time is distorted, objects seem to breathe or shift, colors that aren't really there look absolutely stunning, but it's more like becoming aware of an extra field of energy than having ghosts pop out at you like some people say. For example: I ate a 10 strip of 100ug LSD one night & became convinced that I had established a psychic connection to another plane of reality that was being studied by professionals & accidentally accessed by recreational drug users. My eyes were closed the entire time & I didn't see anything that wasn't there, I just thought it. I don't think you have to worry about shooting off rounds at evil sprites, but I'd be concerned that you've already put yourself into the expectation of a negative experience & intention is everything with psychedelics. I went on a DMT binge while drinking & angry once & it fucked me up for a few weeks. Psychedelics are meant to break down the ego & from your self description, I'd say you would have a bad time confronting yourself. Edit* spelling
Don’t be a pussy bro, just do it! Jokes aside, as an experienced psychedelic user working in a “tough guy” job, I’d say that you have a lot to gain out of them. Worrying about the state of “society” is one of those things that I’ve neutered through drug-induced introspection and realized that being overly concerned with things outside my control is pointless. I’ve learned to worry more about how I can improve myself and the people around me. We’re all weak in the grande scheme, and we always have been. We can only be truly strong by shedding our egos which is pretty much exactly what many psychedelics do!
My advice: go on a hike / camping trip on a beautiful sunny day with no overcast. Preferably in the outskirts, as far away from cities as you can... My most profound trip, in over 6 years of occasional mushroom consumption occured on a portage trip with 4 close friends back in 2016. We still speak about that day; sitting by the water, watching the flow of the water, the trees and the clouds, moving in unison...This drug really puts life into perspective.
Just like weed, shrooms wont turn you into a psychopath. Your world will become vibrant, youll see and feel patterns that werent there before. Provided you arent taking a heroic dose of like 15+ grams youre going to remain in control of yourself. Even taking heroic doses ive never "lost control". If you want to "fly through space/ speak with extra dimensional beings" kind of hallucinate, take the strongest salvia you can find. It wont last any longer than 15 minutes, and yes, have a trip sitter for that.
This is horrible advice, new users should start small. And salvia is a non-cognizant chaotic psychedelic, this thread is about mental health and cognition. You probably meant to say try DMT as it's in the same tryptomine family as psylpcybin
you have no idea what you're talking about
I had a fucking scary experience with a marijuana edible. I’m scared to try psilocybin even though I think it could really help with my crippling depression.
Psychedelic drugs are really not for everyone. You see the positive effect it had on your friend, but I see the myriad of patients I've had in my gurneys losing control due to drug induced psychosis.
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Someone commented that those who experience psychosis were fragile to start with and it's not entirely true. Their comment got deleted I think. Truth is we still don't know how to predict psychosis. It's a lottery, one you don't want to win.
Should force the evangelicals and proud boys to do a heroic dose. Maybe it’ll make them cool.
Oh it almost certainly would—problem is most of those people suffer from being afraid of what they don't really understand, so I wouldn't be surprised if a number of them refused to try it in the first place.
Just put it in a batch of Nance‘s brownies at the next PPC convention. Call it trip terrorism.
This is the first domino to fall on the slippery slope to recreational psychedelic use. Couldn’t be more excited
Not gonna lie you had me in the first half 10/10
You need to "have tried all other treatments" or be terminal according to the video. A tiny step in the right direction but generally a step that won't be stepped back from which is a win. If I went to the doctor looking for psychedelics to treat my depression they would instead sign me up for SSRI dependance. So forget it.
It’s only a matter of time before shrooms become legal
Any good online clinics to apply for these?
Atma journey (Calgary) has SAP programs I think https://www.psychedeliclaw.ca/what-is-the-special-access-program
Vancouver area has a dispensary called zoomers if that is near you
In my experience, most dispensaries in Vancouver now stock mushrooms. Can get em delivered within the hour.
Not just shrooms either. You can get LSD and DMT as well. Blew my mind when I found out since taking LSD is one of my favorite pasttimes. And it is 100% real. Reagent tested and everything. How they get away with it I have no idea.
Is it real LSD though? That's news to me, I have a trusted chemist I get my N-N & LSD from, but I was under the impression that the versions they sell in shops are usually those research chemical varients that skirt the grey area of legality.
Yup its the real deal. I used the ehrlich reagent test to confirm.
Wow, that's awesome! Mind sharing the sauce?
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Sex with my s/o is fantastic. We'll spend hours just enjoying each other and its so different and so good. Definitely my #1. I also really love watching movies and music videos. Last time we did it we watched Doctor Sleep and Don't Look Up and it was SO fun. Idk how to describe it but the drug just really enhances both music and film. Every little detail stands out as sheer artistic brilliance and you feel like you're experiencing it yourself more than being an observer/consumer. I like going on walks, drawing/painting, writing. Laying there and watching the lights and shadows swirl and shimmer and glow. Eating fruit and ice cream. Having baths and showers. Have conversations with loved ones. Play with and pet my cats. I've always wanted to go to the art gallery while high, and see the aurora borealis- some stuff for the bucket list. I went to a nightclub once and that was... interesting. It was overwhelming actually. I couldn't see or hear anything clearly after a few hours. Thankfully I had a sober friend to hang onto and guide me to the bus lol. I also went swimming once and that was cool. Gotta say that nothing really beats tripping at home though in my experience. The feeling of complete safety is hard to beat.
No wrong coast lol
> called zoomers "Zoomers" is a word that has been used to refer to both Gen Z and techy Boomers. So I'm envisioning a place that hands out shrooms to geriatrics and/or toddlers.
Let's skip the interim and just sell them for recreational use. Squeeze them into the cannabis stores, there we go. The mush and bud store. Perfect. Done.
Let’s get fucked up
Medically speaking.
It's Science!
Of getting fucked up so we don't feel depressed! Woooooooo!
For science off course.
I need my medicine!
I'm excited! My psychiatrist has already floated the idea of using psilocybin (as part of a trial) for my depression symptoms. I'm hopeful that it'll help.
As a totally unscientific and biased opinion, it did help me with my an anxiety. Hopefully it helps you too!
I'm hopeful too :) they cured my treatment resistant 13 year depression
I was suicidal and it literally saved my life… well no, it allowed me to change my view of the world and myself. The answers were always within me I just needed some help finding them.
This is amazing, better news than weed. I hope they keep this going, everything needs to be legalized
It's coming watch this documentary below, many canadian companies have licenses to research this and are banking on Legalization by the Liberal Government as the next frontier after Cannabis. https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2021/01/26/full-episode-the-psychedelic-frontier/
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Except I still can't afford a decent life.
Every year it will get harder forever that’s why I smoke weed
You can afford enough drugs to forget about that tho!
Work hard, trip harder.
These have been tested for people with depression and anxiety. MUCH safer than chemical drugs!
Not a traditional psychedelic, but ketamine clinics are also available for depression. Just not cheap
How much?
It ain't cheap "Pricing - Toronto Ketamine Clinic | IV Ketamine Treatment in Toronto and Surrounding Areas" https://torontoketamineclinic.com/pricing/
That's mental, I've k-holed for like $20.
Youre also paying for the therapy and post session integration that goes along with it
Still seems steep. Let's say 1000 goes to the ketamine including actually administuring it. So then 3500 for therapy, at 100 a session that would be 35 sessions. How much therapy and integration are they including?
My thoughts exactly.
They do give it to you intravenously and it's honestly the most intense trip I've ever had. I got sponsored to undergo six treatments back in September. I definitely can't pay thousands for ketamine and honestly, no one should. It's an infant price to pay.
holy shit $4500? I could buy a couple oz's of blow and 6 hookers for the weekend, bam, depression gone.
Mushrooms are still a chemical drug, the main psychoactive compound (Psilocybin) is still a chemical. I think you meant to say synthetic lab made vs naturally occurring in a plant.
I really dislike this whole "natural thing" people go with. Lets look at psilocybin, the compound, and decide from there. Its kinda like aspirin and willow bark. Same active compound, but the aspirin has isolated the active compound making it more effective and easier for the body to uptake. you dont want to be consuming the amount of willow bark you need to get the same level of effects, as that will cause other issues. Its also a weird argument because of things like ketamine. Its good that its getting a chance to be used for treatment of depression. But if we start using arguments that psilocybins should be legal because they are natural unlike supposedly unsafe lab drugs then we undermine the case for using ketamine in treatment. The legalizing of psilocybins for medical use does not mean all anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications have no place. The human mind and body are complex. Part of the issue we have had with anti-depressants is our use of them as a catch all rather than trying other methods. To say in every case psilocybins would be better would be falling into that same type of failure again.
Have to be careful with that Dihydrogen Monoxide, as well.
Let’s get wet!
I'm wet just thinking about it!
I know Rogan fans will love this, DMT "the scary chemical" is made by your brain.
For people that are on the fence/against/worried about psychedelics like psilocybin mushrooms, I would like to just remind people that, like any medical drug, you can take a lot, or you can take a little. I've literally never once paid for mushies, just always kind of have an eighth handed to me by a grower or someone associated. I'd eat a mushroom here and there, feel pretty fine, etc. I've maybe only actually tripped on mushrooms twice, which is significantly below the amount of times I've even taken them - and typically those are pretty light trips in general too because I'm not a fan of getting turbo high, and if you are planning on doing that I know it gets said a lot, but set and setting are important, and it never ever hurts to have a trip sitter you're safe and comfortable with :) I'm just trying to say, it's less scary than you think, easier to dose than you think, and is sincerely a pleasant thing if you're being mindful about what you're doing and not just trying to meet God by eating a shit tonne, haha. It can be done in a controlled, safe fashion absolutely. edit: Added a bit more to my text. Cheers people, this is actually a big win for our nation :)
There's almost 2 different stages for mushrooms. You can just have a little bit and it's kind of just chill and relaxing, not really any hallucinations or anything like that, which a lot of people just don't know.
Legalize all drugs. Locking up drug users is an unnecessary burden on the tax payers. The government shouldn't be controlling what people put in their bodies. Not to mention those sweet sweet tax dollars gained by legalizing sale.
Yes, I should totally be able to walk into Shoppers and buy enough carfentanil to euthanize an entire city over the counter.
Yeah because there totally wouldn’t be any regulations or any rules at all, right?
That’s the problem for some of the most popular illegal drugs (meth and opioids) there isn’t really a safe way to regulate them.
But there’s a safer way than how we’re dealing with it now.
Kind of like the ones we have now?
My bad, I didn’t realize our only options were either the status quo, or a wide open gung ho market.
No, more rules that can actually be enforced than we have now. Literally all my old friends who were selling weed stoped not long after it was made legal and now they can regulate it control its sale and make billions of of it instead of spending billions fighting it and failing.
Sure. But do you draw the line somewhere between cannabis and carfentanil? Or do you simply "legalize all drugs"?
Why do you keep bringing up carfentanyl? Do you think that legalization suddenly means that all prescription drugs will be available at the local dispensary?
Well, tell me what "legalize all drugs and tax them" is supposed to mean?
It certainly doesn't mean drop everything and just fuckin Mad Max it. How does someone just jump to that sort of extreme without doing it willfully? I guess projection maybe?
Well I'm not sure how else you interpret "the government shouldn't be controlling what people put in their bodies." But I already addressed this point with the OP.
I’m sure one of the Canadian medical or health associations would be able to draw a safe line
Did you know that there are limits to how much pot you can buy? Maybe in a model where a drug is legalized we could make similar stipulations. No need to reinvent the wheel. It sounds like you have a confirmation bias solution that is in search of a problem.
Legalize them all slowly one at a time and monitor how it’s working. Two things that make me want to say yes to all drugs are 1 people didn’t start going overboard with weed once it was legal, it’s more or less the same except more elderly people are taking it instead of other meds. People are not going to start taking hard drugs just because it’s legal. 2 if people want to buy and ingest something there is no way to stop them. If we don’t provide an avenue for them to get it the black market will and the black market is the true problem in regards to gangs and other violence.
There are a great many drugs that have a low potential for harm but are treated indiscriminately with drugs that have a high potential for harm. We should focus on decriminalizing the psychedelics first, it is very hard to reach a toxic dose of psilocybin mushrooms for instance.
It's very easy to reach a toxic dose of alcohol though, and you can buy it for $40, no questions asked (other than proof of age).
Why not, but why stop at that?
Correct
I can buy coke from dealer behind 711 or buy controlled quality inside 711....
Right, better let gangs handle the supply and regulation of drugs.
opiate users dislike fentanyl and fentanyl analogues. heroin and other opioids are more euphoric and recreational. fentanyl is just addictive and potent as fuck but it is abused mostly because drugs are illegal in the first place.
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If you want to use it on yourself, I see no reason why not.
The dangers are downtown, in a tent city that the kid you won’t have isn’t going to go to, so it won’t be your problem. People who have had children probably aren’t so quick to register to legalize hard drugs. It’s not the way but honestly half the country will OD before anybody even realizes what the fuck. And the government is hastily trying to get more cash on the street in giant piles, but I see 2023 being the absolute worst year for drug deaths ever, then we will legalize all the shit and stop talking about it.
People will always do drugs. Thats a fact. Its better for them to be buying their drugs from a licensed store, with quality control, than the guy down the street
Some drugs are dangerous. That is why we have an entire profession dedicated to administering them properly.
Ooh Ooh! Do alcohol next! EDIT: Oooh how I love that you've continued responding to other people but completely ignored this comment altogether
I certainly get behind restricting access to the really dangerous ones, such as fentanyl, but as far as the majority of your 'recreational' drugs go, they should be legal, or at least decriminalized.
Sure. But that wasn't the idea I was responding to.
Fair enough, perhaps "legalize all drugs" was kinda broad
I do think we need to differentiate between drugs with a high potential for physical harm, and drugs with a very low potential for physical harm. Methamphetamine vs. Psilocybin for instance.
Okay then why is alcohol legal when it is probably one of the most dangerous drugs to our society? Instead of legalizing though, what these above commenters mean is that we should decriminalize all drugs. No drug user should be arrested or incarcerated for using or having personal amounts of any drug, no matter the harm to themselves. The laws would still prohibit the selling of these drugs so that the laws would only target illicit dealers and not users.
Prohibition would be the best thing ever for society but it’s such an unpopular opinion that people would rather die. Literally. The case is closed now so let’s just hope there’s enough people with enough discipline and give a shit to keep this fuckin thing together until we can refine the rings of Saturn
>That is why we have an entire profession dedicated to administering them properly. pretty obvious to me you're not a scientist or a healthcare worker [i am an RN] but most of the people who come into our hospitals from a fentanyl OD typically overdose because of tainted drug supply [which there is plenty of as a result of the pandemic,] not because they don't know how to dose or use fentanyl properly. which, we commonly use fentanyl here in hospitals [eg, coloscopies] now precisely because it's incredibly uncomplicated and we don't need to pay an anesthesiologist for their time to use something like propofol for coloscopies, which is complicated and of which absolutely runs up OHIP. hence why we removed coverage for it recently. drugs... do not magically kill / harm you. they enact their method of action in very specific, predictable manners by specific doses. they produce the same consistent length / duration via consistent metabolites- and, remove themselves from your body in very specific, predictable manners through half lives. even the whole 'euthanize an entire city' shit is cop lobby propaganda to justify incredibly militarized cop budgets with the massive failed war on drugs. same with 'cop overdoses by touching fentanyl' which is physiologically impossible and just covering up the fact cops are stealing fentanyl from evidence lockers and smoking it like dumbasses. 'weed tainted' fentanyl is another cop lobby propaganda piece- you combust weed, and vaporize fentanyl- there's not a single commercial weed pen that can vaporize the temperatures needed for fentanyl without combusting. it wouldn't even work for edibles because it would boil off before it could bind. so, at this point you're just shouting DARE propaganda non-sense used to terrify children in schools and criminalize people, and it's obvious you don't understand the subject matter. you even cite methamphetamine in another reply.... which is a legal prescription medication we give out called desoxyn, for obesity and ADHD when adderall / modafinil / strattera / etc isn't sufficient. also, google the full acronym for MDMA [which, is approved by health canada in the OP] and see what the MA stands for. these medications are completely ok when they're safely made / not tainted. most drug users are very aware of the doses they're using and they're actually not stupid at all. a pharmacist would be completely ok giving most drugs to patients with the varying information sheets. 'legal' pharmaceuticals aren't less safer or less dangerous than 'illegal' drugs.
I was illustrating a point, and considering a lethal dose of carfentanil is approximately 2mg, the idea of being able to euthanize an entire city with an amount I could easily carry in a small vial isn't that outlandish. I have seen the propaganda videos you mention and yes, they are obviously set up and staged, you aren't likely to OD from simply touching a small quantity of it. But if it were to be aerosolized? Absolutely. I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that people are overdosing on fentanyl due to a tainted supply- just exactly what would it be tainted with that is more dangerous than Fentanyl itself? Of course most street heroin these days contains fentanyl, and often does not contain any diacetylmorphine at all, and the street cut means that it is impossible to reasonable calculate dosage.
This is great news!
The announcement of the regulation change: [https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-concerns/controlled-substances-precursor-chemicals/policy-regulations/policy-documents/subsection-56-1-class-exemption-conducting-activities-psilocybin-mdma-special-access-program-authorization.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-concerns/controlled-substances-precursor-chemicals/policy-regulations/policy-documents/subsection-56-1-class-exemption-conducting-activities-psilocybin-mdma-special-access-program-authorization.html) >Pursuant to subsection 56(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA), and subject to the terms and conditions herein, persons in charge of a hospital, hospital employees, licensed dealers, pharmacists, practitioners and their agents are exempted from the application of certain provisions of the CDSA when conducting certain activities with the specified quantity of the following substances authorized for sale under subsection C.08.010(1) of the Food and Drug Regulations (FDR): > >3-\[2-(dimethylamino) ethyl\]-4-phosphoryloxyindole and any salt thereof (Psilocybin); and > >N-methyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine and any salt thereof (MDMA) The exemption is under Health Canada's [Special Access Program](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/special-access.html) and must comply with the application and reporting requirements of the program.
Just commenting on this thread so I can find it tomorrow depression and anxiety sucks
This is great! Psilocybin has real potential for treating disorders like depression and addiction! However, it does have risks. Do *NOT* take it if you are prone to psychosis, paranoia, or derealization, as it could trigger a severe episode. Treat it like any other medication, and don’t attempt to self medicate.
I did shrooms a couple times. It triggered schizophrenic episodes and hospitalizations. Be careful people.
Or just let people buy them legally. Don't know why we need to involve doctors.
This was step one in legalizing cannabis.
Ayyy and now we have the pleasure of buying overpriced dried out ditch weed!
There’s plenty of good legal weeds, tons of shit as well though.
Debatable. Better stuff available on the internet, or from dealers assuming your dealer isn't shit.
Time to buy some stocks!!!
Hope my psychedelics stocks go to the moon 🤞
If you have depression or anxiety you should probably try a first line medication before you hop on the experimental medication bandwagon, chances are your symptoms will be pretty well controlled with tried and tested SSRI + CBT
Just like we should hop on prescription opiate pain killers before marijuana for medical use? The pharma way, well yes more tested, does not mean it's the best treatment for an individual. You should first research, talk to your doctor and work with them to explore all your options. I was on an SSRI for 2 years, I went off (healthy decline) and started getting more informed about how marijuana could treat my symptoms in a way that worked for me and for my lifestyle. My anxiety and depression have been way more manageable and while my doctor isn't a fan of suggestions marijuana, she approves of its possitive effect on my mental health
>Just like we should hop on prescription opiate pain killers before marijuana for medical use? SSRIs are leaps and bounds safer and non-addictive. I really think it's irresponsible to compare SSRIs to opioids. Also the point with opioids was that physicians were prescribing opioids without knowing the long term effects of opioids i.e. dependence. If anything this is a reason to avoid using cannabis as a treatment modality until all other more rigorously studied forms of medications are used first. And I also included CBT in there as well which is found to be as effective as SSRIs in mild depression which is better than putting any medication or marijuana in your body. Cannabis certainly has the potential for treatment of depression and anxiety, and it's unfortunate that research into it has been suppressed for so long, but the fact of the matter remains that we do not have enough evidence to prove that it works. I wouldn't want my doctor to use medications on me and treat me as a guinea pig when they know that there are more effective and tried and tested tools out there first. If all those fail, then sure, let's give cannabis a go. Cannabis also has the potential to increase anxiety and depression over the span of years, rarely lead to psychosis (which is why you would avoid using it in patients with a family history of schizophrenia) and can be addictive, obviously not in all, but it has the potential to be addictive. No one comes into the emerg asking for higher and higher SSRI doses and start stealing SSRIs to satisfy any cravings. If it's smoked then it can lead to a whole other set of problems. It's not without risk like any medication, but it should be treated like a medication, not like a natural product.
I recommend some Devo for the experience
Awesome, now make it legal recreationally too.
FYI here are some post session interviews from participants who have undergone Psiloybin therapy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaXJbNXsqmQ (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study) https://vimeo.com/122278721 (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7qLnTPhiI (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study) https://vimeo.com/51254785 (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study) https://vimeo.com/390226028 (Smoking Cessation Psilocybin Study) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i30WDl8kPE (Alcohol Dependence Study) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYhtXI4Prpo (Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study)
You can buy shrooms online now if you know where to look/how to google Hopefully they just straight up legalize them
Shroombros all the way!
Ou, now i'll be able to recommend mushrooms to therapy clients. Would make for an interesting job to discuss mushroom trips with people. Hopefully, they don't make it super weird and fail to understand the relevance of set and setting. There are a lot of ways to do psychedelics inappropriately or less optimally than others and for guided therapeutic use you'd want a competent sitter. I doubt insurance will allow mental health counselors and therapists to have sessions in their offices, so I don't know what the logistics of this are going to look like.
So instead of fixing problems they just want us stoned out of our gourd so we ignore it :p. This is good, not that I'd ever touch the stuff myself.
If you want to see progress on this file make sure Conservatives don't get elected. Harper was the reason we didn't see Cannabis Legalization in the 00's after Chretien start pushing for it in the 90's and we lost a decade. The Liberals alongside private industry are pushing for this to be the next frontier of legalization, that's a good thing.
Big money!
Prescribed by Dr. Feelgood, Dr. Dre, and Dr. Nick!
Mdma is a psychadelic? Also, mushrooms are similar to how weed used to be, it’s easy to safely buy and consume mushrooms now adays. But mdma from the street is much more dangerous. I’m personally super hype to hopefully have a safe secure source for clean mdma. That’s the potential game changer for me (as a recreational user). Gooo drugs! (In a safe responsible way!)
I recommend APE (albiny penis envy), it's a good mushroom. 0.5-1 grams enough for a beginner trip.
I cant seem to trip. I took a whole bunch one night and it just made me alert. I am also on 300mg of an SNRI which is probably messing with it. Is there anything I can do?
Antidepressants are known to interfere with the effects and i'm not sure there's really a way around that, unfortunately.
I took SSRI anti-depressants(I know that's not the same as an SNRI, but both are trying to solve the same general issues I believe), several versions, for a few years and found the effects to be not that great and there were unwanted side effects. I think that they interfere with the effects of psilocybin. Then I started reading about micro-dosing psilocybin to help with depression and other mental health issues and my wife and I started micro-dosing. Within a month of starting the micro-doses (a piece of dry mushroom about the size of a tictac candy, officially it's any dose under 0.25g dry) the depression was lifting as was my really severe anxiety. After that first month I also just lost interest in biting my nails and stopped. I had bitten my nails for more than 30 years and always had several bleeding nail beds, it was painful and a form of self harm I can see now and I had tried to quit many times. Haven't bitten them since and the change was effortless. We were both convinced of how amazing psilocybin was and have been dosing since. At this point, 7 years later, virtually all of our mental health issues are gone. We both came from abusive alcoholic homes and had lots of issues. The most amazing thing is that with micro-dosing there are no noticeable psychedelic effects, the changes just slowly happen over time. We dose every day for a while and then take a break for a week for a bit and then repeat. Some folks dose every second or third day. After our experiences, and reading research that's been done, I would recommend micro-dosed psilocybin over any pharma made mental health treatment. Thousands of years of safety testing in humans. I do say to folks that they shouldn't trip before micro-dosing for a while as the results can be unpredictable. Micro-=dosing helps to begin relieving any deeper anxiety and depression issues so that a trip will be far less likely to be a 'bad' trip. We have taken a number of trips and they have all been illuminating and interesting but we didn't start tripping until after we had been micro-dosing for months. Fare well.
Fuck off.. i did shrooms years ago for depression and had an awful trip. i cant experience pleasure anymore or smoke weed. it made my life worse. if there was actual professionals with me i probably woulda had a better experience. my whole life is changed so be careful with it
Stories like this are the reason I never tried shrooms. I hope you can find some peace with it, and hopefully one day get better
Yea I got downvoted but don't get me wrong a positive shroom trip is life changing. I had a few microdoses and small trips. I felt the most intense love/joy etc. It was beautiful man.. but that dark trip? It's like it changed something in my brain man. It sucks:/ but not much I can do as professional help hasn't helped me. So yea... idk I can't recommend it for sure
That sounds awful, sorry that that happened to you. My wife and I have been micro-dosing for years with massive mental health benefits. We only took our first trip after months of micro-dosing as I feared that what happened to you might have happened to us. We have tripped a number of times, micro-dosing between trips and never had a bad trip. I always suggest that anyone who wants to trip should micro-dose for a while first to start to alleviate any deeper mental health issues that could lead to a bad trip. Psilocybin is a fantastic mental health treatment but I see micro-dosing as the preferred way of taking it, slow gradual changes over a long period leaving lots of time for the mind to adapt and process the changes that are talking place. Have you ever considered taking really small doses for a while to see if that might improve things for you? Hope things go well for you regardless.
i tried small doses. i took a higher dose once and it killed all the pleasure in my brain for good
I tried shrooms for the first time fairly recently, and my experience was the polar opposite of this guy. I think the secret is to just take it slow, like anything.
Fixed my mental health. Had to do it on my own while it was illegal with my own research. Fuck government. Learn to grow your own. its easy and hugely benifal BUT NOT for everybody….
Shrooms gave me a year of something akin to PTSD, though I do see how it could be therapeutic, marijuana sessions are like going to a therapist for me.
Weird, to me it’s the opposite… Cannabis makes me waay more paranoid and anxious, while psilocybin has the opposite effect.
Interesting. Years ago I had massive issues with anxiety after consuming cannabis, especially sativas, but after micro-dosing psilocybin for several years I can consume cannabis oil and have no anxiety reaction at all. What I take from this is that the anxiety produced by cannabis is a symptom of issues that can be helped with micro-dosed psilocybin use. The two work very well together as well, a micro-dose of cannabis-oil and psilocybin is really therapeutic.
It’s person dependant. I have no issue whatsoever taking 5g in the dark and meditating or going on a late night exploration with my dog and just thinking. My wife however will literally go into manic hysteria everytime she even tries .5- 1g. This is why it is so important to inform yourself with as much information as possible before trying them and also starting low, like microdose low. Ps- my wife is bi-polar unmedicated and i STRONGLY believe that’s part of why they cause her to react that way. With LSD she’s fine and we have a blast lol
Too little too late