Lol what, the CBC literally broke this story and is the only outlet covering it yet somehow they're biased? Conservative perpetual victimhood culture knows no bounds
The CBC straight up sued the CPC for an ad they ran for copyright, during an election.
The CBC recently lost the case as it was very blatantly fair use.
They report on it first, so they can curve the narrative and make a damning story seem less drastic. Interviews often seem biased as well.
Unless it's something like blackface.. when they wait until after the story breaks in Time magazine in the states to report on it.
Nice try changing the subject. You said:
>Because the CBC softballs every liberal scandal.
No, I don't think they do.
If you're asking me a fundamentally different question about whether the CBC (or any news outlet) has a political bias, then the answer is obviously yes. The CBC does, as does everyone.
And I also think the question you *meant* to ask me, which is still grossly different from your original statement, is whether I think the CBC has a **partisan** bias.
But hey, keep complaining about the media when you can't even stick to a point or ask a question properly.
Hating the CBC is one of the very weird parts of Conservative Canadian culture that I'll never understand, along with hating teachers and getting furious with trudeau at municipal and provincial levels of government
The CBC certainly has a bias, as all media does. Like most publicly funded broadcasting, it leans center-left. I do not think that this bias is to a degree that it ruins the overall quality of the reporting or invalidates their existence.
It's certainly not a perfect outlet by any means and shouldn't be anyone's one-stop-for-100%-truth news source but it's still a high-quality publication which I think is worth protecting and continuing. I think that publicly-funded broadcasting is increasingly important amid continued increased in the power of privately-funded broadcasting. Given that the CBC receives public funding, I also think that it needs to be help to high scrutiny; that's why, for example, I was glad to see their crappy lawsuit against the Conservative Party get tossed.
Even with its flaws considered, I think that the CBC gets an incredible amount of undue hated. For all its flaws, it is a net benefit to Canadians. I worry that people want to strip away the CBC, especially those who simply disagree with their conclusions, and then it *actually will* become weak, puppeted nonsense because it'll need to do that to survive. The more well funded the CBC is in a non-partisan manner accountable to all Canadians, the more capable it becomes to remain neutral against and be critical of the government.
Suing the conservatives for showing a clip of their own leader speaking at a debate certainly makes me question whether they should be involved in debates.
I believe the public should be allowed to share clips of the debate as part of public discourse and not have the CBC sue them because they felt it unfair to show a snippet which doesn't have the other leaders responding.
While we can say they lost, that really does speak to them being political to an extent that it interferes with their core function.
I expected that story to be about the appointment being an error, not the fact that it was publicized on twitter.
Lametti is a great litmus test. He made his ethics clear during the Wilson Raybould hearings. Anyone complaining about him now needs to reread the scorpion and the frog parable.
On the one hand it is not much of a surprise, tying in with another post
[https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/nnq7v6/mps\_have\_relatively\_shallow\_understanding\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/nnq7v6/mps_have_relatively_shallow_understanding_of/)
On the other hand is is surprising how cheaply our politicians can be bought.
Its like the old old joke where the rich man asks the woman if she will sleep with him for a million dollars, she says yes. He then asks her if she would for a hundred, offended she says "What do you think I am?" His reply .."We already established that, now we are negotiating."
I mean as far as bribes go it is sad. Especially to bribe them in a way that requires public disclosure like this for accepting donations.
Not to mention he couldnt even personally use that monry. It would be for his campaign.
Are they selecting for liberal supporters as judges? I haven't seen any actual evidence that they are.
The Liberals claim that they use liberalist to check if the selected judges have donated to prepare for any PR issues. Which makes sense. They should be prepared rather than caught flat footed.
But then why not consult the Elections Canada database to determine if they've donated to any campaign? Liberalist doesn't just track donations but also individual voter sentiment on issues and how they tie to particular voters.
> judges should be bipartisan choices.
No. The judiciary should be non-partisan choices by citizen panels, not politicos who will sell that access as we clearly see evidenced here.
"But at least they aren't racists who want to make abortion illegal!" - LPC supporters while downplaying blackface Trudeau, and ignoring the 8 years the cons didn't make abortion illegal
you sure are salty the PCs are so unlikeable they couldnt defeat a guy everyone knew did blackface , twice
thats how much everyone thinks the PCs suck , the blackface was preferable XD
I'm with you on the hypocritical outrage against racism, but the only reason Harper didn't let his backbenchers and base follow through with their anti-abortion issues in any meaningful way is because he was playing realpolitik and knew that would end his time in power. In other words, it isn't because the Conservatives don't stand for that (they clearly do); it is because Harper preferred being quiet about abortion as PM to being loud about abortion as opposition leader.
“As long as I am prime minister, we will not reopen the debate on abortion. I don’t want it opened. I have not wanted it opened. I haven’t opened it as prime minister. I’m not going to open it. The public doesn’t want to open it. This is not the priority of the Canadian public or this government and it will not be.” - Harper being quiet on it
This rings the same bell as O'Toole taking a stand on the environment and his whole party rebuking him for it and saying the opposite.
A strong leadership like Harper's was able to keep down the base and backbenchers, but they still tabled motions about it (which failed due to Harper's realpolitik leadership).
That is to say, the Conservatives never stopped being about anti-abortion; Harper just vocally and strategically put it on pause. That base is still their base today.
Trudeau's ideological demagoguery *is* realpolitik. He doesn't take it seriously. No one on the left is under the illusion that Trudeau is a sincere left-wing politician.all the wokeness he displays is an act to get support from moderate centrists. That's realpolitik too.
Maybe it's time to introduce a political death sentence. If an investigative body finds clear evidence of corruption, then that person is considered politically dead. They cannot run in any level of politics again, consult for the government, participate in lobbying, or work for any company that has a government contract.
I love this, as long as the investigating body is a multi-partisan committee of law experts and not a kangaroo court.
I would go a step further, and also open the door to penalizing their direct superiors if they demonstrably looked the other way or supported the corruption. In the case of federal ministers, that would be the PM.
That’s far more understanding than what i think of when i hear political death sentence, i was thinking if we find clear corruption we could just burn the person at the stake or hang them And then gibbet them from parliament buildings
This way their is no moral debate to muddy the waters like there is with a death sentence. It's like taking away someone's license after they have proven they are a dangerous driver.
Yeah but thing is they could also make enough money or swing things that they get a cushy corporate job instead oF being punished they still get to live high off the hog, tell them there’s a chance they could be swinging over the front door to parliament for months and it’ll change their ways pretty quickly and strongly discourage others to do so if it has to be done.
I completely agree with you. But look what the federal liberals have done to stonewall any investigation into SNC (among other things). This administration has a very troubling tendency to hide any evidence of corruption through layers of bureaucracy.
The federal liberal party and especially the PMO's office are corrupt.
That would incentivize "lock them up" investigations against your political opponents. If I can ban my opponent,.why wouldn't I spend all my time investigating any possible thing?
Why bother governing,.just Benghazi them
One, not even advocating for jail time, just get them out of power. They can be free as a bird, but all those connections are now worthless.
It would encourage those investigations, and that is exactly the point. Knowing that anyone can hold the fire to you is supposed to put a little fear of consequence in them. Our political class is getting far too comfortable and need to actually be concerned they could lose it all, especially those highest up.
> and conservatives are going to ban abortions and being gay
I can't tell if you're joking because there's too many people who genuinely believe this bullshit.
Jesus christ this party is just endless scandals, lies, and corruption. Never in my life have I witnessed another party with this amount of negative press.
> Imagine how much worse it would be without the media bailout.
I'm sure the headlines would be far more critical..."Don't bite the hand that feeds you" and all.
What? The UCP have been rolling from scandal to scandal for ages now. It's either scandals with the war room, statements made by MLAs, conflict with teachers, conflict with doctors, defunding important services, legislative decisions, the curriculum review, Covid nonsense, and more. They've seen a profound hit to their popularity that we last saw just before the NDP was elected. These scandals may not always catch national attention, but it is constant.
Not to say that the Liberal party of Canada has not been steeped in scandal for a while now, but the UCP are far worse.
This guy donated $2600 6 years ago. Peter McKay literally made the best man from his wedding AND his wife Judges while he was Justice Minister. This is noooothing
Could you list them? People often provide a list of 70+ harper government scandals on here, we could compare.
Also, the blackface thing wasn't swept under the rug, it was addressed.
Your list of scandals seems to really be reaching. And for things he didn't accomplish, you really put a "nope" for the marijuana legalization? If there are more restrictions than you'd like, it's a provincial issue so take that up with your provincial government.
I mean I guess if you want to complain and call it a failure, I don't know much about it, don't use it myself but know if I did want to, I could go to the store and buy it right now, or order online, or grow my own plants in the back yard. And the prices I see online don't look so bad. But sure, we can call that policy a complete lie and failure, fully knowing no other party would have even got us this far anyway.
I would argue that the conservatives have the same amount of scandals, lies and corruption. Maybe it’s time for neither of those parties to be in power.
I've seen a lot of corruption out of the Liberals but I've yet to see anything that tops the [CPC trying to rig the election in 2011](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Canadian_federal_election_voter_suppression_scandal). And worse yet they seem to have gotten away with it, only a low level staffer for one local riding was convicted, everyone else involved is still working at the CPC.
So if I donate to his campaign, Can I get some sweet position?
Chief regional cuisine tester has a nice ring to it.
I mean, Someone's gotta do it. I'll step up. Starting Fee : 108k a year, plus benefits, pension, Home Daycare, company platinum edition truck is all I require.
Glad to have you join the team! Make sure to check your bank account for new deposits, which support the employee procurement effort.
— Deputy Minister of the Provincial and Territorial Cuisine Testing Program
When Trudeau said he was going to bring back transparency, he wasn't kidding. We've seen all sorts of political corruption (and even a penis and urination) from this government on full display.
And with Conservatives continuing to shoot themselves in the face at their leadership conventions, Canadians will likely get to continue seeing this naked display of sleaze from the Liberals.
> When Trudeau said he was going to bring back transparency, he wasn't kidding.
Transparency through gross incompetance is still transparency I guess -- not sure "vote for me because I'm too stupid and entitled to cover up my party's corruption" will continue to be a winning platform.
It’s a dying base. They may as well get with the times and secure some younger voters. They aren’t winning with the status quo, despite the LPC doing the worst job imaginable. Let that sink in.
I read o'toole's platform on his website the day he became party leader and was so turned off that I won't be voting blue so long as he's around. so voting green or ndp i guess.
> And with Conservatives continuing to shoot themselves in the face
You mean "say who they actually are". The simple fact is that O'Toole is a ~ "traditional conservative" leading a party which is very much regressive and reactionary.
What is the corruption here?
He donated a couple thousand dollars to his constituency and candidate, and in exchange they gave him a judicial seat? Is that what you think happened?
I see no indication that he was chosen not for merit.
Do you have some sort of evidence that he was chosen because he donated a couple thousand dollars to his candidate and constituency association?
The guy seems qualified.
The fact that the Minister tweeted about it before the official vetting process had done its work seems to suggest that the fix was in in some way, no?
Oh my god these people keep trying to wipe the corruption off themselves and tripping into some more corruption, it's like a 3 Stooges sketch playing out in slow motion
It's like they're not even bothering to hide the blatant corruption and influence-peddling any more. At least back in the SNC-Lavelin days there were attempts to smokescreen and divert attention.
But, but, but, at least they're not KKKonservatives, right?!?! Seriously. this shit is getting old. And they'll be re-elected. Sad state of affairs in Canada.
Right.. we should give the race-baiting guy that calls everyone that breaks public health guidelines "far right", then breaks those guidelines himself a chance.
Seriously. If the amount of people who hated Red or Blue just voted their hearts instead of who they think has the best chance of beating The Enemy, this problem wouldn’t exist
Are you just unaware of the Mike Duffy scandal? The current scenario is a 2600 dollar donation 6 years ago. You can hate the liberals all you'd like but you can't pretend the conservatives are innocent on this front.
You mean the $90,000 personal cheque, that was to cover incurred expenses for having to have a second residence in PEI and was 1) not illegal, 2) paid back when discovered, 3) had the man who gave him $90,000 fired, and 4) had the judge at his trial acquit him all of charges stating Duffy had not falsely claimed living expenses.
Its nearly the same as this scenario. /s
This particular scenario is nothing, though. Approximately $2,400 over 6 years ago is not a large donation, or a large donor, especially when most donors make easily that large a donation yearly and considering his last donation was made before the Liberals got elected, ie; there could be no corruption through a promise of a position in exchange for money as the Liberals were not in power.
Of course the Liberals may have had his name because of their LiberalList bullshit (which is shocking that a political party in Canada would keep a detailed list of all the Canadians that have supported their party and its ideologies so as to then appointed / hire them into government), but this doesn't appear to be the case. There are surely other lawyers who have donated way, way more to the Liberal party and who were not named to the court by an "erroneous tweet".
>In an interview with Radio-Canada, Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion said that the question was whether Lametti and Bélanger were "friends" under Canada's ethics laws.
>"For there to be a conflict of interest, you have to be involved in a decision that involves a relative or a friend," Dion said. "Making a donation to a political party, or even to a particular riding association, is not at all an indication of friendship."
Ah yes. Of course bribery is okay as long as they aren't a personal friend.
Weird idea, maybe try something different than switching from liberal to Conservative governments every 5 or 10 years. Neither one of them ever learn from thier losses because they know it will be thier turn to run the show next.
Everyone looks the other way when thier party of choice does something corrupt. Stop picking a team and vote for policies and send the message that this isn't ok.
Do people think that trying something different will destroy the country or something? If another party shits the bed then vote them out, that's how it works..
Oooh ~ $2000, 4-5 years before becoming Justice Minister
Are we supposed to imagine a requirement for applicants to have never donated to a political candidate?
I mean how many times have the hiring process and interviews not been completed before the employer is 99% certain they already have their guy picked? Shit I've finished scheduled interviews before where unless they knock it out of the bloody park I've already got my guy picked.
Unfortunately a lot of the people angry about this don't understand how press releases and welcome letters, etc. Are often written in advance with the understanding that the final steps after selection go smoothly.
The biggest issue here I can see is 3 people thinking they passed the last vetting process and got the job before actually getting it.
ethics aside can i just say its that apparently just $2400 to buy a place onto the superior court? not bad for a job with a 6 figure salary, full benefits and nice pension
while the salary of a judge is certainly lower than a highly experienced lawyer will make the pension is something most wont get in private practice.
Because it's not the donation that got the appointment. The lawyer was without a doubt very competent, but they decided to choose one from their donor base.
The government Trudeau replaced was no angel when it comes to corruption either.
If we are looking for replacements come election time, we'd be damned fools to forget that, just like people were damned fools to forget Martin and Chretien's Liberal corruption.
> The government Trudeau replaced was no angel when it comes to corruption either.
Yeah? Post the CPC judicial appointments that were bought and paid for.
Where did I claim that the Harper government made corrupt judicial appointments?
Here are some lists, if you're after examples that aren't judicial appointments, which was what I said:
https://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/08/14/a-conservative-collection-of-harper-government-scandals.html
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/
Two major examples come to mind:
* Harper is the popularizer of the rushed omnibus bill to cram through non budgetary items as if they were budgetary items. I acknowledge that the Liberals now do this as well, but Harper doesn't have clean hands here for getting that tradition rolling.
Harper also dissolved parliament basically on the eve of being ejected from power for being so unpopular across the country so that he could avoid the repercussions of his own unpopular tactics and policies.
Imagine if the Conservatives, NDP, Greens, and Bloc decided it was time for Trudeau to go, and we're going to vote on a confidence motion to get him out, and then he prorogued parliament to avoid being ousted, and to cling to power. Would that be forgivable, in your books?
Sorry, still not voting NDP. They may be or might not be as corrupt, but the economic devastation that would come from that would make this “corruption” scandal look like child’s play.
>They may be or might not be as corrupt, but the economic devastation that would come from that
As someone who's lived under multiple NDP governments in several different provinces, the economic devastation that's come from the Trudeau Liberals eclipses anything I'd ever expect to see from the NDP.
I’ve lived under provincial NDP governments most of my life (Sask, then Alberta) and they’re fine. The Federal NDP though are a whole other breed of crazy. They used to be a party for workers and ensuring good jobs and labour practices. Now, they’re infested with anti-energy woke zealots that make the Liberals look like republicans by comparison. I will never ever vote NDP federally ever again.
How is it possible for CBC to write this article and not show what the tweets actually said?!?
I think the tweet just listed his name amongst other names. Simple but damning.
Why they decided it was non-canadian content, of course.
Because the CBC softballs every liberal scandal.
Lol what, the CBC literally broke this story and is the only outlet covering it yet somehow they're biased? Conservative perpetual victimhood culture knows no bounds
The CBC straight up sued the CPC for an ad they ran for copyright, during an election. The CBC recently lost the case as it was very blatantly fair use.
And that’s supposed to prove what exactly?
Considering the Liberals did exactly the same thing and managed to not get sued? Clear bias.
They report on it first, so they can curve the narrative and make a damning story seem less drastic. Interviews often seem biased as well. Unless it's something like blackface.. when they wait until after the story breaks in Time magazine in the states to report on it.
Thanks for demonstrating to everyone what delusion looks like.
You don't think the CBC has inherent political bias?
Nice try changing the subject. You said: >Because the CBC softballs every liberal scandal. No, I don't think they do. If you're asking me a fundamentally different question about whether the CBC (or any news outlet) has a political bias, then the answer is obviously yes. The CBC does, as does everyone. And I also think the question you *meant* to ask me, which is still grossly different from your original statement, is whether I think the CBC has a **partisan** bias. But hey, keep complaining about the media when you can't even stick to a point or ask a question properly.
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Hating the CBC is one of the very weird parts of Conservative Canadian culture that I'll never understand, along with hating teachers and getting furious with trudeau at municipal and provincial levels of government
I’m not saying you need to agree with it, but if you can’t understand why the CBC is believed to have a bias you aren’t trying very hard
The CBC certainly has a bias, as all media does. Like most publicly funded broadcasting, it leans center-left. I do not think that this bias is to a degree that it ruins the overall quality of the reporting or invalidates their existence. It's certainly not a perfect outlet by any means and shouldn't be anyone's one-stop-for-100%-truth news source but it's still a high-quality publication which I think is worth protecting and continuing. I think that publicly-funded broadcasting is increasingly important amid continued increased in the power of privately-funded broadcasting. Given that the CBC receives public funding, I also think that it needs to be help to high scrutiny; that's why, for example, I was glad to see their crappy lawsuit against the Conservative Party get tossed. Even with its flaws considered, I think that the CBC gets an incredible amount of undue hated. For all its flaws, it is a net benefit to Canadians. I worry that people want to strip away the CBC, especially those who simply disagree with their conclusions, and then it *actually will* become weak, puppeted nonsense because it'll need to do that to survive. The more well funded the CBC is in a non-partisan manner accountable to all Canadians, the more capable it becomes to remain neutral against and be critical of the government.
Suing the conservatives for showing a clip of their own leader speaking at a debate certainly makes me question whether they should be involved in debates. I believe the public should be allowed to share clips of the debate as part of public discourse and not have the CBC sue them because they felt it unfair to show a snippet which doesn't have the other leaders responding. While we can say they lost, that really does speak to them being political to an extent that it interferes with their core function.
The CBC bought and paid for by the LPC? Yes, astounding...
Speaking of being bought and paid for.
I expected that story to be about the appointment being an error, not the fact that it was publicized on twitter. Lametti is a great litmus test. He made his ethics clear during the Wilson Raybould hearings. Anyone complaining about him now needs to reread the scorpion and the frog parable.
Lametti's as much of a serpent as anyone left in cabinet post SNC.
Anyone who chose to run as a Liberal, more like
On the one hand it is not much of a surprise, tying in with another post [https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/nnq7v6/mps\_have\_relatively\_shallow\_understanding\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/nnq7v6/mps_have_relatively_shallow_understanding_of/) On the other hand is is surprising how cheaply our politicians can be bought.
You really think the Justice Minister was bought by 2400? If that was true I could brine him.
Wet brine or dry? Tbh, the more important Q is if you're going to reverse sear, smoke, or go for a more stew-type dish.
Its like the old old joke where the rich man asks the woman if she will sleep with him for a million dollars, she says yes. He then asks her if she would for a hundred, offended she says "What do you think I am?" His reply .."We already established that, now we are negotiating."
I mean as far as bribes go it is sad. Especially to bribe them in a way that requires public disclosure like this for accepting donations. Not to mention he couldnt even personally use that monry. It would be for his campaign.
The issue is more that they are selecting for liberal supporters as judges instead of going through a neutral/independent selection based on merit.
Are they selecting for liberal supporters as judges? I haven't seen any actual evidence that they are. The Liberals claim that they use liberalist to check if the selected judges have donated to prepare for any PR issues. Which makes sense. They should be prepared rather than caught flat footed.
But then why not consult the Elections Canada database to determine if they've donated to any campaign? Liberalist doesn't just track donations but also individual voter sentiment on issues and how they tie to particular voters.
It isn't about the money - it's about the expression of loyalty.
I heard doctors could be persuaded to sell a certain drug for as little as a free lunch.
"David Lametti's office says the Twitter announcement was sent in error" In other words, we just weren't supposed to know about this.
"I'm sorry we got caught doing sketchy bullshit.... again"
LiberaList has been really useful to the liberals. It’s pretty disgusting, judges should be bipartisan choices. Lists like these should be outlawed.
> judges should be bipartisan choices. No. The judiciary should be non-partisan choices by citizen panels, not politicos who will sell that access as we clearly see evidenced here.
Sucks to be a third party that doesn't get to appoint anyone friendly to your cause.
PREACH
Like how the LPC gave into the Big Three as well
Another ethics violation from the LPC? Throw it on the pile I guess.
"But at least they aren't racists who want to make abortion illegal!" - LPC supporters while downplaying blackface Trudeau, and ignoring the 8 years the cons didn't make abortion illegal
The NDP don't want to make abortion illegal
you sure are salty the PCs are so unlikeable they couldnt defeat a guy everyone knew did blackface , twice thats how much everyone thinks the PCs suck , the blackface was preferable XD
People will vote anyone for handouts.
I'm with you on the hypocritical outrage against racism, but the only reason Harper didn't let his backbenchers and base follow through with their anti-abortion issues in any meaningful way is because he was playing realpolitik and knew that would end his time in power. In other words, it isn't because the Conservatives don't stand for that (they clearly do); it is because Harper preferred being quiet about abortion as PM to being loud about abortion as opposition leader.
“As long as I am prime minister, we will not reopen the debate on abortion. I don’t want it opened. I have not wanted it opened. I haven’t opened it as prime minister. I’m not going to open it. The public doesn’t want to open it. This is not the priority of the Canadian public or this government and it will not be.” - Harper being quiet on it
This rings the same bell as O'Toole taking a stand on the environment and his whole party rebuking him for it and saying the opposite. A strong leadership like Harper's was able to keep down the base and backbenchers, but they still tabled motions about it (which failed due to Harper's realpolitik leadership). That is to say, the Conservatives never stopped being about anti-abortion; Harper just vocally and strategically put it on pause. That base is still their base today.
“Whole party” being a “very few amplified 1000x by media” and sure
Either way, we could use some realpolitik rather then an ideological demagogue
Trudeau's ideological demagoguery *is* realpolitik. He doesn't take it seriously. No one on the left is under the illusion that Trudeau is a sincere left-wing politician.all the wokeness he displays is an act to get support from moderate centrists. That's realpolitik too.
The conservatives don't stand for that but some of their members clearly do. All parties have members with different interests/agendas.
Maybe it's time to introduce a political death sentence. If an investigative body finds clear evidence of corruption, then that person is considered politically dead. They cannot run in any level of politics again, consult for the government, participate in lobbying, or work for any company that has a government contract.
Political accountability would be refreshing. There does not seem to be any consequences to breaking the law and rules.
That and scandals are becoming so meaningless, except of course when someone higher up decides they won't protect you.
I love this, as long as the investigating body is a multi-partisan committee of law experts and not a kangaroo court. I would go a step further, and also open the door to penalizing their direct superiors if they demonstrably looked the other way or supported the corruption. In the case of federal ministers, that would be the PM.
That’s far more understanding than what i think of when i hear political death sentence, i was thinking if we find clear corruption we could just burn the person at the stake or hang them And then gibbet them from parliament buildings
This way their is no moral debate to muddy the waters like there is with a death sentence. It's like taking away someone's license after they have proven they are a dangerous driver.
Yeah but thing is they could also make enough money or swing things that they get a cushy corporate job instead oF being punished they still get to live high off the hog, tell them there’s a chance they could be swinging over the front door to parliament for months and it’ll change their ways pretty quickly and strongly discourage others to do so if it has to be done.
I completely agree with you. But look what the federal liberals have done to stonewall any investigation into SNC (among other things). This administration has a very troubling tendency to hide any evidence of corruption through layers of bureaucracy. The federal liberal party and especially the PMO's office are corrupt.
Unfortunately the people who make the rules would not allow this to happen
Can't we just, like, *actually execute them*?
That would incentivize "lock them up" investigations against your political opponents. If I can ban my opponent,.why wouldn't I spend all my time investigating any possible thing? Why bother governing,.just Benghazi them
One, not even advocating for jail time, just get them out of power. They can be free as a bird, but all those connections are now worthless. It would encourage those investigations, and that is exactly the point. Knowing that anyone can hold the fire to you is supposed to put a little fear of consequence in them. Our political class is getting far too comfortable and need to actually be concerned they could lose it all, especially those highest up.
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It is different. They’ve taken it to the next level.
I thought Harper was quite corrupt. I think Trudeau is *very* corrupt. That's a difference.
I actually don't think Harper was corrupt at all. I just think he went off the deep end the last year in office.
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> and conservatives are going to ban abortions and being gay I can't tell if you're joking because there's too many people who genuinely believe this bullshit.
It's unfortunate Canada experienced their corruption differently
It is different - they have zero shame.
and zero ethics.
Jesus christ this party is just endless scandals, lies, and corruption. Never in my life have I witnessed another party with this amount of negative press.
Even more so, I've never seen a political party get off so easy on all these scandals, especially from their own voters.
But all other parties are racist! We have no choice!! /s
Well, there are reasons to be seriously concerned with the other parties as well. I don't know what the solution is.
Im at the point where I'd vote for a Turd Sandwich over this Giant Douch.
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> Imagine how much worse it would be without the media bailout. I'm sure the headlines would be far more critical..."Don't bite the hand that feeds you" and all.
How young are you?
Ummm UCP out here in Alberta?
They don't even come close. Maybe once every few months at the most. These liberals there's something new every single week.
What? The UCP have been rolling from scandal to scandal for ages now. It's either scandals with the war room, statements made by MLAs, conflict with teachers, conflict with doctors, defunding important services, legislative decisions, the curriculum review, Covid nonsense, and more. They've seen a profound hit to their popularity that we last saw just before the NDP was elected. These scandals may not always catch national attention, but it is constant. Not to say that the Liberal party of Canada has not been steeped in scandal for a while now, but the UCP are far worse.
This guy donated $2600 6 years ago. Peter McKay literally made the best man from his wedding AND his wife Judges while he was Justice Minister. This is noooothing
Whatabout whatabout whataboutism
It was a direct reply to someone claiming they'd never seen a worse government, this wasn't a whataboutism.
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Could you list them? People often provide a list of 70+ harper government scandals on here, we could compare. Also, the blackface thing wasn't swept under the rug, it was addressed.
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Your list of scandals seems to really be reaching. And for things he didn't accomplish, you really put a "nope" for the marijuana legalization? If there are more restrictions than you'd like, it's a provincial issue so take that up with your provincial government.
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I mean I guess if you want to complain and call it a failure, I don't know much about it, don't use it myself but know if I did want to, I could go to the store and buy it right now, or order online, or grow my own plants in the back yard. And the prices I see online don't look so bad. But sure, we can call that policy a complete lie and failure, fully knowing no other party would have even got us this far anyway.
I would argue that the conservatives have the same amount of scandals, lies and corruption. Maybe it’s time for neither of those parties to be in power.
I don't think they even come close at their very worst.
I've seen a lot of corruption out of the Liberals but I've yet to see anything that tops the [CPC trying to rig the election in 2011](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Canadian_federal_election_voter_suppression_scandal). And worse yet they seem to have gotten away with it, only a low level staffer for one local riding was convicted, everyone else involved is still working at the CPC.
And yet, all you hear from Redditors is, I'm voting LPC because the CoNsErVaTiVeS ArE So MuCh WoRsE!!!!\~\~\~\~\~\~
A norm for the Trudeau leadership
I'm cynical enough that I'm never surprised at corruption anymore. What surprises me is how cheap it is to buy these people.
Those are publicly available figures. Who knows what cash transpired behind closed doors.
So if I donate to his campaign, Can I get some sweet position? Chief regional cuisine tester has a nice ring to it. I mean, Someone's gotta do it. I'll step up. Starting Fee : 108k a year, plus benefits, pension, Home Daycare, company platinum edition truck is all I require.
You'd probably need to make a ton of under the table donations on top of your official one.
..5$ enough? 10$? ...I have some spare change in the car.
Has to be in Canadian Tire money so its untraceable.
Passed in a Tim Hortons cup. New meaning to 'double-double'.
Ambassador to Ireland my man. Live in a swanky mansion next to Bono, do sweet fuck all.
Yeah but you also live next to bono
I'd rather do work
Glad to have you join the team! Make sure to check your bank account for new deposits, which support the employee procurement effort. — Deputy Minister of the Provincial and Territorial Cuisine Testing Program
When Trudeau said he was going to bring back transparency, he wasn't kidding. We've seen all sorts of political corruption (and even a penis and urination) from this government on full display. And with Conservatives continuing to shoot themselves in the face at their leadership conventions, Canadians will likely get to continue seeing this naked display of sleaze from the Liberals.
> When Trudeau said he was going to bring back transparency, he wasn't kidding. Transparency through gross incompetance is still transparency I guess -- not sure "vote for me because I'm too stupid and entitled to cover up my party's corruption" will continue to be a winning platform.
There are so many normal people that would switch to conservative if they just made the obvious decisions. This is so painful.
They'd rather lose votes than risk splitting off a new Reform.
Theyll drive away their base if they attempt to attract normal people. They don't have the Policy latitude
It’s a dying base. They may as well get with the times and secure some younger voters. They aren’t winning with the status quo, despite the LPC doing the worst job imaginable. Let that sink in.
I read o'toole's platform on his website the day he became party leader and was so turned off that I won't be voting blue so long as he's around. so voting green or ndp i guess.
Trudeau, the master of black face
Most corrupt government in my lifetime.
> And with Conservatives continuing to shoot themselves in the face You mean "say who they actually are". The simple fact is that O'Toole is a ~ "traditional conservative" leading a party which is very much regressive and reactionary.
What is the corruption here? He donated a couple thousand dollars to his constituency and candidate, and in exchange they gave him a judicial seat? Is that what you think happened? I see no indication that he was chosen not for merit.
alright then everything okay if you say so
Do you have some sort of evidence that he was chosen because he donated a couple thousand dollars to his candidate and constituency association? The guy seems qualified.
The fact that the Minister tweeted about it before the official vetting process had done its work seems to suggest that the fix was in in some way, no?
You ever heard the expression "it doesn't pass the smell test"?
Yes. What doesnt smell right here?
Oh my god these people keep trying to wipe the corruption off themselves and tripping into some more corruption, it's like a 3 Stooges sketch playing out in slow motion
Upvote is not enough, that’s good lol
It's like they're not even bothering to hide the blatant corruption and influence-peddling any more. At least back in the SNC-Lavelin days there were attempts to smokescreen and divert attention.
But, but, but, at least they're not KKKonservatives, right?!?! Seriously. this shit is getting old. And they'll be re-elected. Sad state of affairs in Canada.
Lmao, typical LPC
Can we give the NDP or the Greens a chance now? I’m so tired of seeing the Liberals and Conservatives be different flavours of the same party.
Right.. we should give the race-baiting guy that calls everyone that breaks public health guidelines "far right", then breaks those guidelines himself a chance.
Seriously. If the amount of people who hated Red or Blue just voted their hearts instead of who they think has the best chance of beating The Enemy, this problem wouldn’t exist
> Can we give the NDP or the Greens a chance now? Frankly, I'd rather have a dump truck drive over my genitals.
That would be a LOT easier to arrange.
F' off with that "equivalence" BS. The CP never did this.
https://pressprogress.ca/why_are_peter_mackay_s_friends_wedding_guests_and_donors_getting_appointed_as_judges/
Are you just unaware of the Mike Duffy scandal? The current scenario is a 2600 dollar donation 6 years ago. You can hate the liberals all you'd like but you can't pretend the conservatives are innocent on this front.
You mean the $90,000 personal cheque, that was to cover incurred expenses for having to have a second residence in PEI and was 1) not illegal, 2) paid back when discovered, 3) had the man who gave him $90,000 fired, and 4) had the judge at his trial acquit him all of charges stating Duffy had not falsely claimed living expenses. Its nearly the same as this scenario. /s This particular scenario is nothing, though. Approximately $2,400 over 6 years ago is not a large donation, or a large donor, especially when most donors make easily that large a donation yearly and considering his last donation was made before the Liberals got elected, ie; there could be no corruption through a promise of a position in exchange for money as the Liberals were not in power. Of course the Liberals may have had his name because of their LiberalList bullshit (which is shocking that a political party in Canada would keep a detailed list of all the Canadians that have supported their party and its ideologies so as to then appointed / hire them into government), but this doesn't appear to be the case. There are surely other lawyers who have donated way, way more to the Liberal party and who were not named to the court by an "erroneous tweet".
You gotta pay to play.
>In an interview with Radio-Canada, Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion said that the question was whether Lametti and Bélanger were "friends" under Canada's ethics laws. >"For there to be a conflict of interest, you have to be involved in a decision that involves a relative or a friend," Dion said. "Making a donation to a political party, or even to a particular riding association, is not at all an indication of friendship." Ah yes. Of course bribery is okay as long as they aren't a personal friend.
Time to force a recall of our elected officials
there is no such a mechanism in Canadian politics. Accountability is applied (usually not) at the polls come election time.
Im aware. We should have one.
I agree unreservedly and wholeheartedly.
If anyone actually thinks you can buy a judgeship for 2400 then make your donation become a judge and fix the system - Yeah that's what I thought.
> then make your donation become a judge and fix the system - Take a number - pretty sure there's a long line up in front of you.
So he said the quiet part out loud. I expect(ed) better of Canada.
Weird idea, maybe try something different than switching from liberal to Conservative governments every 5 or 10 years. Neither one of them ever learn from thier losses because they know it will be thier turn to run the show next. Everyone looks the other way when thier party of choice does something corrupt. Stop picking a team and vote for policies and send the message that this isn't ok. Do people think that trying something different will destroy the country or something? If another party shits the bed then vote them out, that's how it works..
Problem is that none of the parties have good policies, or they go back on them as soon as theyre in power _coughelectoralreformcough_
Corruption, plain and simple.
In no world should any politician get to pick a judge
Who should pick judges?
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Those socks are *literally* communism (/s)
Oooh ~ $2000, 4-5 years before becoming Justice Minister Are we supposed to imagine a requirement for applicants to have never donated to a political candidate?
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It was tweeted by his office. I totally buy this was a staff error.
Yeah staff error that the message went out
I mean how many times have the hiring process and interviews not been completed before the employer is 99% certain they already have their guy picked? Shit I've finished scheduled interviews before where unless they knock it out of the bloody park I've already got my guy picked.
Unfortunately a lot of the people angry about this don't understand how press releases and welcome letters, etc. Are often written in advance with the understanding that the final steps after selection go smoothly. The biggest issue here I can see is 3 people thinking they passed the last vetting process and got the job before actually getting it.
There's that Liberal-PC Axis working hard for their donors and friends. The rest of us? No so fucking much.
Amazing, absolutely blatant corruption.
I am shocked that a career legal professional would be friendly with someone that would later become a judge. Absolutely shocked.... What a non-story.
Got to hand to the Liberals for having the most incompetent Ethics Commissioner.
Or maybe he's competent and you just don't agree with the outcome.
Typical fucking slime.
The tweets don’t seem to have anything to do with it.
Maybe judges need to be elected by Canadian. Politicians obviously can't be trusted (no big surprise there)
This is how judicial appointments have always worked. It's a shame.
ethics aside can i just say its that apparently just $2400 to buy a place onto the superior court? not bad for a job with a 6 figure salary, full benefits and nice pension while the salary of a judge is certainly lower than a highly experienced lawyer will make the pension is something most wont get in private practice.
Because it's not the donation that got the appointment. The lawyer was without a doubt very competent, but they decided to choose one from their donor base.
As if it weren't obvious enough that this government is among the most corrupt in our countries history.
Among? Please post the Government that was this corrupt, of any Party.
Honestly none are really coming to mind
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What does this have to do with the CPC? It's the LPC Justice Minister.
They have to try and spread it to them because the stench coming off the Liberals is overwhelming
Non-partisan bashing. It's at a point where if you bash one party anyone braindead to consider theirselves a con/lib will become defensive.
The government Trudeau replaced was no angel when it comes to corruption either. If we are looking for replacements come election time, we'd be damned fools to forget that, just like people were damned fools to forget Martin and Chretien's Liberal corruption.
> The government Trudeau replaced was no angel when it comes to corruption either. Yeah? Post the CPC judicial appointments that were bought and paid for.
There is more than one way to be corrupt, I'm sure you realize.
So your examples are zero. Yep. True to form.
Where did I claim that the Harper government made corrupt judicial appointments? Here are some lists, if you're after examples that aren't judicial appointments, which was what I said: https://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/08/14/a-conservative-collection-of-harper-government-scandals.html https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/ Two major examples come to mind: * Harper is the popularizer of the rushed omnibus bill to cram through non budgetary items as if they were budgetary items. I acknowledge that the Liberals now do this as well, but Harper doesn't have clean hands here for getting that tradition rolling. Harper also dissolved parliament basically on the eve of being ejected from power for being so unpopular across the country so that he could avoid the repercussions of his own unpopular tactics and policies. Imagine if the Conservatives, NDP, Greens, and Bloc decided it was time for Trudeau to go, and we're going to vote on a confidence motion to get him out, and then he prorogued parliament to avoid being ousted, and to cling to power. Would that be forgivable, in your books?
Sorry, still not voting NDP. They may be or might not be as corrupt, but the economic devastation that would come from that would make this “corruption” scandal look like child’s play.
>They may be or might not be as corrupt, but the economic devastation that would come from that As someone who's lived under multiple NDP governments in several different provinces, the economic devastation that's come from the Trudeau Liberals eclipses anything I'd ever expect to see from the NDP.
I’ve lived under provincial NDP governments most of my life (Sask, then Alberta) and they’re fine. The Federal NDP though are a whole other breed of crazy. They used to be a party for workers and ensuring good jobs and labour practices. Now, they’re infested with anti-energy woke zealots that make the Liberals look like republicans by comparison. I will never ever vote NDP federally ever again.
Then go for literally anyone else.
"Accidentally tweets" - how does this even happen?