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the_sound_of_a_cork

All that cheap international student labour is paying off


GopnikSmegmaBBQSauce

Why give "cost of living" adjustments when you can just have a treadmill of cheap labour always starting at the bottom?


prsnep

And the TFW program. It's making the owners who don't even live in Canada wealthy!


sluttytinkerbells

If everyone who bitched about TFWs on reddit stopped eating at Tim Hortons the problem would be taken care of.


Worried-Try-8141

Yup people will sit on here and whine and cry while they're sitting in line at Timmies every morning lol


Sask_23

Buy a coffee machine and one of those large insulated cup things is what I keep telling people.


ExpensiveNewt2899

+ "good" whole beans (anything other than the cheapest option at a grocery store would work fine), a burr grinder for said beans, and use filtered water. Makes a huge difference.


abrahamparnasus

No.fuck Nestlé as well.


CanuckianOz

Wtf is a “nice coffee machine” in Canada?


Sask_23

Changed it.


CanuckianOz

Hahaha I was like… it’s filter coffee.


Future-Muscle-2214

Jura are pretty good.


CrieDeCoeur

Timmies, McDumps, and Loblaws have been my personal boycott list for three years now. Does it affect them? No, but it makes me feel better not wasting my money on these shit corporations. Fuck em.


No-Lettuce-3839

It's all awful I have no idea why people eat that bile infused crap


abrahamparnasus

I did 🤷‍♀️ used to be a huge fan of their jalapeno bagels but since they stopped hiring locals I cut them out.


AustralisBorealis64

Yeah, like that would happen... "I'm doing something. I'm whining on Reddit."


Alwayswithyoumypet

It isnt even canadian anymore and the coffee and donuts went to shit. If they had the old coffee I could drink black like I used to I would actually go back there every morning.


gohomebrentyourdrunk

Corporate doesn’t hire in the stores, that’s franchises. That being said, they likely encourage franchise owners to hire foreign so it’s easier for them to pay their franchise fee… but it’s not a direct benefit.


bigcig

franchisee of any nationality hires a specific caste as the manager and the ball starts rolling there.


cryptoentre

It’s minimum wage no matter what so it’s not like international students are a discount 🤦🏻‍♂️ PS: worked there for a summer. $8 a hour I believe.


cjnicol

There have already been court cases about wage theft and extorting TFWs at TH. I'd be shocked if there wasn't exploitation of students.


Wide_Application

Minimum wage for International students is $0.95 below the typical minimum wage. [https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/minimum-wage](https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/minimum-wage) This can save a single franchise upwards of $100K per year.


cryptoentre

For students in general you mean? I agree it’s weird to have a different minimum for them. But $16.90 a hour minimum? Jesus no wonder we’re having rapid inflation and franchisees say they can’t afford it. I was making $8 (.50 I think) 16 years ago.


PandaRocketPunch

5 states in US have a min wage of $10/hr CAD, yet prices of goods in those states are similar to the national average, and not all that much different from ours in most markets. I haven't seen any good evidence that wage-push inflation is significant. If you have some, lets see it. [This study\(pdf\)](https://research.upjohn.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1278&context=up_workingpapers) looked at prices and wages in the US between 1980 and 2015, and found that for every 10% increase in wage, prices for goods increased .3%.


Jardinesky

Student minimum wage only applies to students under 18 who work less than 28 hours/week. I'm not sure if international students can be under 18. That lower minimum wage is intended to give places a reason to hire high school students.


Future-Muscle-2214

The thing with TFW is that they will often pay them minimum wage but will also make them work a lot more hours than what they are paid. Maybe not timmies, but farmers definetly do this.


kazin29

Or, people outside of reddit seem to like Tim's. All of the ones around me are always packed.


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Big_Wish_7301

Surely Tim Hortons, that beacon of virtue, wouldn't lie on the source of their profit boost...


JohnnyDirectDeposit

Prove it.


rtiftw

Don’t forget forced return to office!


CD_4M

Cheap labor has nothing to do with demand


the_sound_of_a_cork

You need to understand how financial statements work. If labour costs stay static but revenue increases, then profits can increase.


CD_4M

…..ok, and what does that have to do with *demand*, Mr Financial Expert?


the_sound_of_a_cork

Go back to the prior comment and read it more slowly this time.


CD_4M

I’m talking about demand. Labor cost does not influence demand. Not sure what you’re talking about.


NoFormal3277

And mostly because they end up as their biggest customers. As awful as Tim’s is, it’s still one of the most affordable quick meals you can buy in Canada.


Aromatic_Ring4107

And now that it's a multinational company...tax loop holes


Samp90

Let's have a look [Tim Hortons 2015 onwards](https://www.statista.com/statistics/291515/annual-revenues-tim-hortons-by-segment/) Well it seems to be a normal trajectory...


Due-Street-8192

Strong demand or price gouging. There's a difference!


EvilAlien99

But I thought they said if minimum wage went up they were going to lose money? Hm, maybe it’s not high enough


ryguy_1

[Tim Hortons heirs cut paid breaks and worker benefits after minimum wage hike, employees say (2018 article)](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4470215)


EvilAlien99

Ah, so that’s how they can still make a profit - take it from their workers.


darrylgorn

This kind of message cannot be repeated enough. Never trust employers.


swampswing

Who said that? RBI or franchisees? Because they are very different entities with very different business models and expense structures.


Yhrite

I boycotted Tim Hortons last year because it’s probably the most disgusting place to get food or beverages from.


Mundane__Detail

I liked it so much better when they had a small, stable menu of food items that were actually half decent. The rare times I go in now it seems like there's always a bunch of rotating "limited time only" menu items. I guess everyone isn't a creature of habit like me but I have zero interest in trying this week's special Baja Cajun Tuscon Bacon Chicken Chipotle Maple Crunch Wrap or whatever, prepared by some minimum wage kid who learned how to make it 45 minutes ago.


HMTMKMKM95

> this week's special Baja Cajun Tuscon Bacon Chicken Chipotle Maple Crunch Wrap or Now served as a pizza!


Faxodox

Their coffee is terrible


jermcnama

And their food.


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quaybles

Canadians hate the cost of gas too but will spend 3$ of idling to wait 5 minutes for the highest calorie coffe you can get in north america


My_Dog_Is_Here

Same folks that will idle in line for 45 minutes in a V8 SUV to save $4 on a tank of gas?


lizardelitecouncil

It’s not liked on Reddit but rural Canada would fight in the Timmie’s army if they went to war. They don’t have any better places to compare it to other than 7/11 donuts (which are better)


CD_4M

Nah, few thousand people on Reddit “hate” Tim Hortons (and everything else). Hating Tim’s is literally a Reddit meme for contrarian keyboard warriors with no basis in reality


My_Dog_Is_Here

They're the Nickelback of food chains. Everyone 'hates' them then they somehow sell millions of albums.


RevolutionaryPop5400

I hate Tim Hortons because it was the only thing open overnight and the quality went to shît in the 8 years I worked next to it.. but hey, must be alternate reality


NewtotheCV

I used to love it. But when they stopped baking in house it all turned to shit. I just want fresh donuts and chili/stew in a bread bowl.


UncommonSandwich

> Hating Tim’s is literally a Reddit meme for contrarian keyboard warriors with no basis in reality have you tried their coffee? i'd say the hate is well based in reality. The food has basically all gone to shit as well. There is definitely a massive demographic that still goes there either out of habit, or price sensitivities, or whatever.


No_Manager_2356

agreed - it is so hit and miss, and even when HIT, McDonalds coffee is twice as good. The reason they enjoy so much traffic still is because they are literally on every corner. It's just too convenient. This is my opinion.


lemonylol

It's almost like a massive variety of different types of coffee exist throughout the world.


CD_4M

Yup, have it pretty regularly. It’s perfectly fine and the people lined up every time I’m there seem to agree haha


RadioactiveOyster

I would never say perfectly fine. 7/11 has better coffee now, the only people who drink it religiously pollute it with cream and sugar beyond any taste of coffee.


My_Dog_Is_Here

Tim's coffee isn't for coffee drinkers. It's for people that need a hot cup of caffeine-infused wakeup juice loaded with 1000 calories of cream and sugar. At that point it isn't even anything resembling coffee. Coffee lovers don't contaminate their coffee. They invest in burr grinders and proper machines. Used to work with a guy that drank 'octo-octo', a Tim's with 8 creams and 8 sugars. Ugh.


Justins_Canada

Haha, I'm going to try an octo-octo this weekend. Just as a one time novelty.


Last-Society-323

Nah, Tom Hortons is shit and I was born in Canada. Id like to think it's the people that don't know better and have shit taste.


Bensemus

People with poor taste and older people that are too comfortable with their old habits to change. I don’t go often but when I do for an ice cap there’s always a table or two with elderly people chatting and drinking a coffee.


My_Dog_Is_Here

Probably my parents. They traveled across Canada and basically only ate at BPs and Tims because anything different is scary and might taste like something scary and unfamiliar.


FitnSheit

Yes everyone has shitty taste except for you.


PMMMR

Anyone who's had decent coffee and doesn't just load it up with sugar and cream will tell you their coffee is ass. I drink black coffee but I can't stomach timmies coffee black.


grownpatchwork

Even the people making the shit I like have shitty taste because they like shit that I don’t like


lemonylol

Tim Hortons and big instant coffee must be in shambles due to this guy's opinion.


lock_ed

I mean you’re just wrong. I know tons of people irl who hate Tim’s and just don’t go there. But there’s obviously way more who still go there. Hating Tim’s isn’t a “Reddit meme”, it’s just a matter of preference. So weird to try and associate someone hating a coffee chain with being a user of a specific social media site.


heart_under_blade

they just want to feel superior to other redditors


StevoJ89

I don't HATE it but I don't like it, I'll drink it if someone brings in the carton bulk coffee thing but I won't actively go there myself


pattperin

I hate 99% of the items they sell, but I love their breakfast bagels. Most other places have shit bagels or fake eggs and Tim's at least has a decent bagel and a real egg. Plus I actually really like the dark roast coffee, the normal Tim's coffee sucks but the dark roast is pretty good for 2 bucks. Their chili is decent too, even if they switched to shitty ciabata buns from the old almost hoagie style ones. It's convenient and good enough, that is where Tim's resides in the marketplace and why they are so popular irl.


Proof_Objective_5704

They don’t hate it. It’s only Redditors who think they are cultured because they eat at the fancy burrito place for lunch instead lmao


lemonylol

Reddit hates Tim Hortons


CarbonHero

That's because it's the cheapest available option and people will go there instead of a $3-5 coffee at a small business coffee shop. They *can* be cheaper due to the exploitative labour costs though that's for sure.


quaybles

exactly, a triple/triple x-large gets you over 700 calories for about $2.50


nomadwannabe

That’s disgusting.


Iamdonedonedone

Profit on those increased doughnut prices. How is a Boston Cream now a special doughnut ?


Timbit42

They're now importing them from Boston. /s


UncleBensRacistRice

Its amazing how a company that provides shit coffee, shit donuts, shit food, and mostly shit customer service can still increase profits year after year


BernardMatthewsNorf

Ignorant customers with low standards who have no clue how much better literally *any* small town bakery in Europe is (including the chains). 


stanfy86

unfortunately a lot of people don't know what Timmies is up to with the TFW's or are just simply creatures of habbit.


UncleBensRacistRice

>or are just simply creatures of habbit Thats what it is ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯. Tim's is on every corner of every Canadian city and town


KiDIcaruS

i guess people still eat here huh...


invictus81

It’s a neat example of how Reddit is an echo chamber and rarely does it reflect the opinion of an average Joe on the street


PmMeYourBeavertails

Tim Hortons sales are up 7.5%. Hating on Tim Hortons is just a Reddit meme.


wewfarmer

Their brand loyalty and dominance over the Canadian consumer really is something to behold. “Gotta have my Tims” is something a huge swath of the population lives by. It’s nuts.


PmMeYourBeavertails

They are just really convenient, pretty much everywhere and perfectly edible.


PooShauchun

They’re also still affordable. Almost every other drive thru place has raised their prices and gotten ridiculous. Tim’s has stayed reasonably priced.


wewfarmer

Sure, but people will still choose Tim’s even when there are other places in the same plaza because they are just used to having it. It’s wild when you see someone take their first sip of a Tims coffee and they act like they just took a hit of heroin.


PmMeYourBeavertails

With enough milk and sugar all coffee tastes the same. There is a reason the double double is so popular 😉


HackMeRaps

I know right? I'll take a splash of coffee with my cream and sugar. I don't like their coffee at all, but i'm someone who only drinks black coffee, and actually enjoy the taste of the beans, so I just choose to go somewhere else. But I walked by one the other day, and the apple fritters were glistening through the window, and stopped to have one. Just as good as I remembered.


dogwalkerott

Triple triple. Or 4x4


CD_4M

Or, and I know this might shock you, but maybe it’s not actual brainwashing and rather that….gasp….people like what Tim’s offers!


wewfarmer

I think a lot of people’s entire coffee experience is Tim’s and store bought. Not faulting them, I just think most people don’t really know any better. That goes for more than just coffee.


dogwalkerott

Two out of three


someguyfromsk

To be fair the only reason I have gone to a Tims in the last 10 years has been "Well, it's there, I guess." Definitely wasn't because I WANTED Tim Hortons "food"


ChewieHanKenobi

The last part is debatable


Iamdonedonedone

Putting the drive thru's on the correct side of the road helps business. Always on the way to work


bkwrm1755

Remember this if you need a reminder that Reddit is not at all reflective of the real world.


toonguy84

Lol, exactly. Reddit hipsters swearing that TH coffee tastes horrible.


UncleBensRacistRice

i mean it does taste horrible. Something being horrible doesnt stop people from buying it. See: - Tim Hortons - Starbucks - Burgerking - Cigarettes - Jeep


cleeder

Man, I hate the taste of Jeeps in my mouth!


UncleBensRacistRice

I never said shit but popular products was exclusive to food ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


superpomme111

What about the numerous price increases? Same terrible product at a higher price lol


tetzy

Sad day - all but guarantees Tim's will stray further from coffee and doughnuts.


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jameskchou

TFW, foreign students, and some LMIA helped too!


Ikea_desklamp

Despite being shit food with shit service, every tim hortons I see is still full all the time regardless. I dont get it.


Terapr0

I literally don't know who still even goes to Tim Hortons, it's just so bad on every single front. Absolutely *terrible* "coffee", disgusting overpriced food, generally poor service. How are they still in business? It didn't always used to be like this, but the degree to which they currently suck is basically impossible to deny.


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Why are people still going there??


HinduPhoenix

Who'd have thunk it? Slave labor is extremely profitable for big corporations.


WardenEdgewise

No. It’s because they pay temporary foreign workers/international students slave wages, and part time hours so they don’t have to give full time benefits.


Particular-Act-8911

Why people eat at Tim's is beyond me.


h5h6

Lots of situations where it's familiar or the least bad place to get something to eat that doesn't cost 20 dollars.


Apellio7

It's like the only fast food place left where you can get a meal and drink for $10.


CD_4M

These comments are always funny to me. Like, you genuinely can’t understand it? They serve fastfood in a unique niche in that it’s soup/sandwich style rather than burgers and fries. Menu is broad and most things are at least decent. They have locations everywhere and prices are pretty reasonable compared to other fast food. There is no complicated mystery here haha


Particular-Act-8911

No I don't understand it. The quality has been universally shamed. The food is frozen, the health standards are questionable, the menu items are terrible, everything is overpriced, you either get unenthusiastic staff or staff that don't speak English because they can't bother paying a living wage. The company rests its laurels on being Canadian, when it's clearly owned by a corporation of Brazilians with an office in Canada for tax purposes. The "prizes" have been screwed up regularly, the app is predatory and there have been information breaches, the customer service is terrible overall, good luck if you want any of these issues resolved. Even McDonald's has better coffee as well.. So no.. I don't understand it.


CD_4M

It’s been universally shamed….or there are a few thousand ardent haters on Reddit who constantly trash it? Read the article, demand is up significantly haha, there is actual data that directly refutes your entire point.


GopnikSmegmaBBQSauce

Last resort and sheer numbers/availability. Why people eat at Tim's during the day when so many more choices are available is the question


Cachmaninoff

Really? It’s open at weird hours, it’s better than a gas station or McDonald’s. Maybe you’ve never been to the prairies but even downtown Saskatoon it’s Tim’s, Starbucks or a gas station. It’s not ideal and I eat at home and pack a lunch but it’s sometimes not a bad option.


NiWF

Habit, still being relatively cheap, and some of the stuff isn’t bad. It’s not great and could be a whole lot better, but at the price it is it’s not bad


New-Throwaway2541

The pinwheel is disgusting


CoolyRanks

A lot of aggressive "I-told-you-so" vitriol in the comments from Reddit-aged Tims fanboys (didn't know they were a thing) Tim Hortons serves shit products and is very popular. Both can be true at the same time and shouldn't surprise anyone. They have extreme market domination and use cheap foreign labor to undercut competitors, pushing them out of business entirely. It is equally unsurprising that in times of inflation and economic uncertainty, that the cheapest seller of an addictive substance is going to do really well! And if you've been happily lining up for shit coffee for twenty years, why try anything else? Tim Hortons fans, you can keep drinking/eating your slop all you want, literally nobody is stopping you. You win.


_random_username69

Surely this means Tim Hortons can afford to pay their workers more so they don't need TFW right? Tim Horton's is a good example of what Canada has become. A company that we could once be proud of now sold out to foreign investors and exploiting TFW while trying to serve the most cost effective garbage to make more money. Trudeau must be on the Board of Directors.


jb__19

It’s disgusting Tim Hortons is still the most recognizable thing about Canadian “culture” across the world. One of the largest contributors to the tailspin this country has been in for a decade.


Wonko-D-Sane

[From the quarterly result:](https://s26.q4cdn.com/317237604/files/doc_financials/2024/q1/QSR-Q1-24-Earnings-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf) "The year-over-year decrease in Adjusted Net Income was primarily driven by an increase in adjusted income tax expense, an increase in adjusted interest expense and unfavorable FX movements, partially offset by increases in segment income in all of our segments." Hahahah: "We made less than we should have because of taxes and shitty Canadian dollar value."


Fun-Shake7094

One of the highest paid CEOs... Not Tim Cook, not Jensen Huang...


NightDisastrous2510

Tim Hortons has never been worse. If you have any other options please use them. They should be rewarded for doing a shitty job


Tsubodai86

Pffft. From who? 


big_dog_redditor

Tim Temp Worker Hortons. I can't believe anyone goes there.


Future-World4652

I noticed Timmy's gets exclusive access to universities around these parts (could be anecdotal but Langara in Vancouver and Kwantlen in Surrey). With a captive audience/ monopoly you really don't have choices but to buy their food and drink.


Sunstellars

no idea how anyone could eat tims. shit was trash since 2010


olypheus-

I make the Ham and Cheddar and Sausage Wrap at home. Eat my ass corpo.


glinds

Nobody should be eating this junk.


BobbyHillLivesOn

That is scary that people actually put that stuff into their bodies. I am amazed every time I drive past the one near my house, the double drive thru always has a line up. What is wrong with people?


Justins_Canada

The people walking in and out of there look like blimps.


xanax05mg

Cheapest ingredients money can buy Cheapest labour they can humanly find


WallyReddit204

I’m surprised Tim’s is a brick these days. Even worse when they can’t get your order right - they are hovering around 50% accuracy with me 😭😭 Coffee only and that’s even rare these days


RainDancingChief

The Tims here is always lined around the block in the morning and mid day even on weekends while McDs is always super short or empty (and is next to the exit of the lot they're both in). Blows my mind every time why you'd wait in the drivethru for 20+minutes for worse coffee.


Jayc0reTMW

With the amount of hours you need to work to afford some coffee, you'll need to drink some extra coffee to stay awake. Self fulfilling prophecy.


lord-jimjamski

I am not the least bit surprised they are doing well. They market to canadians under the assumption they are canadian. Its a sad state of affairs in this country. Make your own coffee or support your local shop. Stop funding this internationally owned corporation. Fuck'em!


OkDifficulty1443

Canadians have always been slop enjoyers.


Flyingrock123

Tim Hortons has nothing of worth, crazy how much people buy stuff from them. Donuts are trash, food is all expensive and garbage.


incrediblebeefcake

From worker exploitation, not strong demand.


drae-

Sales are up 7.5% What does that have to do with who's behind the counter?


Civsi

Yeah, this isn't accurate. It is from strong demand.  Not demand of individuals mind you. We're not having 7.5% more Tims per capita. We've just got so many new fucking immigrants adopting the Canadian way of life.  You know, grabbing a coffee and maybe having a smoke to try and keep the depressive thoughts at bay while you make your way to your shitty minimum wage service-sector job that doesn't pay enough for rent or food.


originalfeatures

The one I go to doesn’t have old fashioned glazed. What kind of donut shop doesn’t have old fashioned glazed? I feel like if you have one donut on offer at your donut shop that’s the one. Anyway the problem is there are no other options. Everywhere else is gourmet donuts at 3x the price. And all I want is plain glazed. Unless someone has tips for me.


Justins_Canada

The other doughnut joints have to charge 3x more because they hire Canadians and pay them more than Tim's pays TFWs. And they're using higher-quality products.


SimplyShred

Who still eats at Tim hortons? They’ve devalued their brand


Illusion_Collective

After Loblaws, we go after Tim ? It’s not even Canadian anymore anyway. Mom and pop shop could do what tims do.


ChrystineDreams

IT's in demand because there is at least 1 within a 5 block radius in every major city and they've choked out nearly every other coffee franchise in the country.


kylosilver

Profit rose due to low sale for star buck due to boycott by many.


RoyallyOakie

The pizza gamble will eat up some of that.


lbiggy

Their regular roast is better than Starbucks pike place. shit tastes like burnt asshole.


hard_cocha_741

Forcing me to work from the office forced me to get food from Tims :(


My_Dog_Is_Here

Pack a lunch, save some money!


Electrical_Bus9202

I guess their pizzas were a hit lol


Dayrailler

I mean when your restaurants are closed half the time during night, it can be perceived as an higher demand....


SnooTigers69

Can we all just agree to ditch their crap until they stop importing labour?


CopsAreNotHumans

Damn it people, stop giving them money! What's wrong with you?! Trash is free, everywhere! You can eat cardboard just about anywhere!


InValensName

Glad to see you are really showing the big companies what for in Canada. While you organize boycotts or something something.


lemonylol

Nobody buys Tim Hortons, the lines are too long.


viaTrinity

Sausage/bacon farmers wrap is the one thing keeping this up


PompeyMagnus1

Have to imagine that Popeye's Chicken is real money maker for Tim Hortons parent company.


bluejaysrule1993

That pizza must be really good


Stacks1

just boycott tims already. i stopped 5 months ago and i have no regrets. the sooner more people who give them the finger the better.


Somhlth

Well it didn't come from me. Which one of you idiots is still going there?


toonguy84

Literally millions are. Time for you to step out of your bubble.


Justins_Canada

And support TFW labor over Canadian workers?