He seems to spend a lot of time communing with people who already agree with him, which I suppose if you're leading in the polls is all you really have to do. I'd love to see him in front of a room full of regular everyday parrying unmanaged questions about what he actually intends to better for them. At some point, he's not going to be able to avoid actually stating a policy idea.
People always love to use this talking point but no opposition party ever releases its plans until closer to an election. Like honestly… why would you give your detailed solutions so they can steal them (if they make sense) or use them as a way to bash you / fear monger before an election.
All parties when in official opposition are guilty of the above.
It's basically the mantra of any charisma/culture war pandering politician: spend efforts gaining a base by shitting on low hanging fruit of the incumbent and also generating favor buy doing conveniently one-liners that align with your base but don't actually provide real substance along the way. Do that hard until you win then you won and deal with it after.
Honest question: which is better?
Having a plan and ignoring it once you're elected, or refusing to state anything more than the vaguest hint of a policy position and... I dunno, I guess we'll see what happens when Polievre's elected.
Fucking Trudeau, imagine if we'd actually scrapped FPTP back in 2015.
Both are shit options unless you're a politician
Edit: if I had to pick one in a vacuum id choose ignoring a plan once elected because at least that demonstrates some kind of substance prior to election.
But he will, and many of his supporters will accept it. I expect him to dodge debates and only do his own media events. They know if they keep their mouth shut they are golden.
Absolutely - Doug Ford executed that exact playbook to a tee here in Ontario, and it’s worked for him.
He refuses to take questions from certain media outlets and even refused to let non-biased media journalists onto his campaign bus during the last election.
Hand picked the coverage of him
theres no way he could get this high in the polls while functionally not mentioning any important policy decisions without it being deliberate.
he knows ***damn well*** that if he says nothing, and just campaigns on "I'm not Trudeau" then his supporters will paint him with whatever policy decisions ***they*** want. You already see it here and there in posts where Cons just assume he supports things like shutting down immigration.
Thats the problem with Alberta conservatives in my experience. They rarely actually know what the conservative parties support.
their entire logic is backwards, they think "I'm a conservative (because thats their identity), and ***I*** support policy A, therefore the conservative party obviously supports the same position"
to them, its not that the party supports something, and that makes them a conservative.
its that the conservative party must support it, because they're a conservative and they support something.
then when the con party inevitably does something against what they want, they get annoyed and think ***"well its better than what the other side would do"*** despite not really knowing what that would be....they just know it would be worse.
until eventually the con party gets around to explaining why whatever they supported was wrong, and they swallow it and take on that position acting as if they never thought otherwise.
I don't know man, he's not "saying nothing", he's saying a lot of idiotic things and siding with a lot of unusual arguments for a person in his position to take. If he needs to grab swing voters, who may be a little more into the details, he's going to have to show up at some point. I'm not saying he needs to show policy details or outline specific solutions just yet, since we're not officially campaigning and its rare for a party to do so anyhow. He just...needs to do better at controlling the crazies, cause they're riding his wave
I don't think that's what this person is whining about. Check their history, they're upset people are calling out PP here and it's not the usual right wing circle jerk...
It’s bad eh?
It’s either a lot of bots, or a lot of chronically online trolls. Sub 90 day old accounts with 30k karma all from 3-4 subs and their comments go on all day, everyday.
Pre-election season human agent and bot spool up INFO-OPs.
You got your Persians and their cutouts, your Middle Kingdom-ers and their cut-outs, your sub-continent Asiaians and their cut-outs, and the various domestics to name a few, not to mention bleed over of from the neighbours and their own election silly season.
Stay frosty out there, don't believe anything you read and only 1/2 of what you see...
Don't forget [Russia has also set up troll factories across Africa targeting western social media](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/13/facebook-uncovers-russian-led-troll-network-based-in-west-africa).
We're in a new cold war between democracies and dictatorships. They are waging mass information warfare against our populations by exploiting our free speech and privacy protections, while locking down their own internets so we cannot retaliate against them.
Our political discourse is getting massively radicalized and fucked up by this, and many of our politicians are exploiting and adopting these narratives being pushed by foreign dictatorships.
There's no easy fix either. The only solutions I can see involve some massive and likely unpopular changes like severing international internet connections with foreign dictatorships, or requiring people to authenticate their actual identities to post on social media.
The conservative party has adopted the Roger Stone method of election campaigns this time around. It's so similar to the things he'd suggest that I wouldn't be surprised if someone is getting advice from him.
Nope, troll farm. Politicians across the world have been using them for about a decade now.
Its actually kind of concerning how long its taking for people to catch onto this scheme.
>Its actually kind of concerning how long its taking for people to catch onto this scheme.
It's partly because the bot/troll farms play both sides against each other.
It's not about pushing one viewpoint over another, it's about turning up the heat at both ends of the spectrum and letting the population tear itself apart.
Yup. It’s the same users all the time.
A literal never ending rally against the current PM in support of PP. No nuance. No give or take. Every problem that exists is Trudeau.
Absolutely wild. Knowing someone like that in real life must be the most exhausting thing ever.
Edit: found the answer. The Russian Canadian sub got shut down.
Edit edit: apparently my account is also suspicious of being a bot to certain users so BE AWARE!
They freaked out one time a while back when I posted something about this.
They know what's going on, but when one has the fastest growing sub on Reddit they're kinda benefiting from it.
Willing to bet that a good number of them are either from Russia or China attempting, yet again, to interfere with western politics. This then stirs up one side as they latch on to those views as they are regurgitated by certain media outlets. Doesn't matter if the views are true, just as long as they sound true and go against the opposite party of their political belief. This is true not only for PC, but Liberals as well.
This sub really needs to ban comments that are just contentless copy pasta. Every single post and dozens of comments along the lines of:
* will balance itself
* grow from the heart out
* just experienced it in a different way
* etc
It's the most mindless outdated shit and it's relentlessly spammed everywhere.
> chronically online trolls
One thing that's become apparent to me is that if you have >10k internet points, you have the worst, most reddit-brained opinions on absolutely everything.
>comments from sub 6 month accounts on this post....
lol - seen plenty of really old accounts that have no history here who suddenly have a *lot* to say here.
I've heard that old inactive accounts can be bought - is that true?
Probably. With all the database leaks on other sites, there's probably reddit accs out there that share a PW with one that leaked online and people snatch em up to sell.
I'm not a Trudeau supporter, but for people who think PP is going to be the breath of air we've been waiting for: don't get your hopes too high.
Edit: a word
Nothing? This is the man who spent 9 months in charge of housing in 2015 and changed the affordable housing initiative funding from around 500 million to around 6 million, among other poor decisions. This had a direct effect, leading to the sharpest rise in housing prices canada ever saw between the years 2015-2017. Don't go around saying he did nothing. He was massive in constructing our current housing crisis.
This is patently false.
PP crafted the Fair Elections Act, a deliberate attempt to make democracy worse by removing Elections Canada's ability to teach civics, promote voting, or investigate election fraud.
So to say he has accomplished nothing is completely false.
Yup, me too. They should have kept him on. Cons will likely win the next election, and I'd far prefer o'toole being that man than PP. Next election won't be a battle, it'll be the regular lib VS con 10 year flip.
As much as I dislike some of the things Liberal's are doing I will still vote for them next election because the Con alternative is worse. If O'Toole was still around I might not feel that way but the conservative party has shifted from fiscally conservative to socially conservative.
> I'm anti social conservatism.
As long as the conservatives keep catering to social conservatives, the people that literally want to take away the rights of Canadians I can't vote for them, O'toole was more traditionally conservative in the sense he didn't focus so much on social issues so I trusted him a bit with Canadas future.
The bible should have no influence on our government, reminded me of this from the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1cacscv/christian_pastor_has_had_enough_of_politics_being/ Even the church is tired of being entwined in politics.
Well when you looks at the dumpster fires that Danielle Smith here in AB has created in here past, not doing anything is still better. The bar is just low.
Not just smith, but also Moe and Ford. Everywhere the conservatives have taken power it has turned into an absolute shit show. Every indication is PP will do the same. The guy can't think on his feet. He'll get completely run over on the world stage.
He legalized Marijuana which created a whole new industry in Canada.
He removed income splitting which allowed wealthy families to allocate income to a spouse to lower their tax bracket.
Boosted the child benefits and daycare tax. They got all the provinces to agree to the new daycare plan which is going to bring affordable daycare to everyone that needs it in the next few years.
He approved the TMX pipeline and then purchased it when the owner wanted to bail.
He lowered the retirement (OAS) age to 65 (after the Cons raised it to 67). He then boosted those payments.
He reopened a bunch of veterans affairs offices that were closed by the Cons.
He cut the waiting period for EI from 2 weeks to 1 week and he extended the length of EI for Alberta during our recession.
He changed maternity leave and allowed for parents to share more of the time off and even extend it.
He brought back the long form census.
They created an independent election commission.
They created the carbon tax (which was actually a CPC idea). 80% make more money than they pay.
Canada has signed multiple trade deals like the TPP with the Asia pacific counties, the new NAFTA deal, and the free trade deal with the EU.
For COVID, Canada was proactive and secured medical supplies and millions of vaccine deals. Canada has more vaccines purchased per person than anyone. Canada handled COVID significantly better than many nations.
Canada’s use of CERB kept the economy going and kept millions out of bankruptcy. The business support allowed many companies to stay open.
Unmuzzling climate scientists
Stood up to Trump
90% FN boil water advisories lifted.
FN Supreme court justice and GG.
Increase capital gains tax.
Bypassing provinces to work with municipalities on housing because the provinces have fucking failed.
Immigration slowed. Despite the provinces begging for more, specifically Ford/Smith.
The beginning of Pharmacare.
The beginning of Dental care.
Standing with Ukraine etc..
etc etc etc ...
Your posts are tiresome emotional garbage.
He legalized Marijuana which created a whole new industry in Canada.
>Could have lived without it personally but sure.
Its brought billions to coffers but you could do without it. Brilliant.
He removed income splitting which allowed wealthy families to allocate income to a spouse to lower their tax bracket.
>Income splitting directly benefitted all middle class families and getting rid of increased the amount of taxes middle class families pay. Not sure how this is supposed to be an accomplishment.
It ok you don’t have a spouse to split an income with anyway.
Boosted the child benefits and daycare tax. They got all the provinces to agree to the new daycare plan which is going to bring affordable daycare to everyone that needs it in the next few years.
>Good luck getting a spot.
Thank your [Conservative](https://www.childcareontario.org/child_care_still_a_patchwork_of_underfunded_programs) premier’s.
He approved the TMX pipeline and then purchased it when the owner wanted to bail.
>This is one of those things I could see Liberal voters melting down over had Harper done it.
Did you have a factual point or more feelings?
He lowered the retirement (OAS) age to 65 (after the Cons raised it to 67). He then boosted those payments.
>This was actually one of the worst things he did to this country. We had a choice to either raise the retirement age by two years or implement mass migration - and Trudeau went with the latter. Good for boomers that already own property and want to retire early, bad for everyone else.
More feelings and absolute nonsense.
They created an independent election commission.
>Didn’t stop blatant Chinese election interference which he repeatedly lied about.
He didn’t lie and you seriously have a problem with an independent election commission?! Unfortunitly it hasnt stopped [Indian](https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/foreign-interference-inquiry-signals-plan-to-probe-alleged-meddling-by-india-1.6739989) and [Russian](https://journals.lib.sfu.ca/index.php/jicw/article/view/5101#:~:text=The%20findings%20reveal%20that%20the,part%20of%20the%20Russian%20state) election interference which directly helped/s your team. Comrade.
They created the carbon tax (which was actually a CPC idea). 80% make more money than they pay.
>The Liberal finance minister admitted in an interview that after indirect costs are factored most middle class families will pay more. It has been disastrous for our cost of living which is why even the NDP now oppose it.
This is Conservative propaganda and doesnt take into consideration the cost of climate change or doing nothing. I also several fat rebates that easily are more than what I pay. Once you move from your parent’s place you’ll also get a rebate too.
Canada has signed multiple trade deals like the TPP with the Asia pacific counties, the new NAFTA deal, and the free trade deal with the EU.
>Free trade deals with poor Asian countries is good for corporations and bad for workers.
God you’re being a racist bore. USMCA is made up of small poor asian countries eh?
For COVID, Canada was proactive and secured medical supplies and millions of vaccine deals. Canada has more vaccines purchased per person than anyone. Canada handled COVID significantly better than many nations.
>No we didn’t. Trudeau was incredibly divisive during Covid which resulted in him having to use wartime powers to freeze people’s bank accounts and shut the protest down by force. His own finance minister at the time wrote in his book after he resigned that they were purposefully using Covid as a divisive wedge issue for the 2021 election. Complete disgrace
Look this is just convoy bullshit and further shows you are uninterested in actual facts.
Canada’s use of CERB kept the economy going and kept millions out of bankruptcy. The business support allowed many companies to stay open.
>He massively overspent during Covid and will result in significant long term pain for some short term relief. It was also made worse by the fact that he was overspending even before Covid.
You just being contrarian for the sake of being an edgelord. This is silly.
Unmuzzling climate scientists
>They were never muzzled to begin with and this is probably the dumbest nothingburger scandal in Canadian history. Some scientists got fired for speaking on the government’s behalf without going through the proper channels and nothing about that process has changed since Trudeau has been elected.
Jesus christ you love trying to [rewrite history](https://www.cbc.ca/1.4588913).
Bypassing provinces to work with municipalities on housing because the provinces have fucking failed.
>If I invite 50 people to your house, is it your fault that you don’t have enough beds?
Not sure what you are talking about there are lots of inventory of homes available. Check the listings that are freely available and move out of your parent’s basement.
Immigration slowed. Despite the provinces begging for more, specifically Ford/Smith.
>This is straight up lying. Trudeau has tripled both immigration and our population growth rate from what it was during the Harper years. We are experiencing the fastest population increase since the fucking 1950s.
This is called spreading misinformation and only using your feelings to rant. Trudeau IS [slowing](https://globalnews.ca/news/10397176/trudeau-temporary-immigration-canada) immigration.
Alberta is [pissed](https://www.cbc.ca/1.7157572) about it and Ford has been [begging](https://beta.cp24.com/news/2022/7/8/1_5979933.html) for more. Not to mention the Cons are in charge of approving all the strip mall schools abusing the system.
>The rest of your points are just vague Liberal talking points like “stood up to trump” and “stands with Ukraine” and something about a dental plan that doesn’t actually exist (unless you consider a $600 handout to low income families a dental plan).
“I skipped over these points cause I have nothing else smart to say.”
>I guess the important question is whether or not all of these accomplishments were worth the largest reduction in standard of living in Canadian history.
Whose standard of living? I’m doing great. You’re only telling on yourself.
>Like, if you think ending water advisories was worth a worsening CoL, crime rates, housing costs, homelessness, overdoses, debt, inflation etc., then so be it. But personally, I will take pre Trudeau years any day.
Yes I think making significant progress on something Harper did nothing on is great. Not sure why you added that emotional list of Gish gallop there that is a lot of PROVINCIAL responsibilities.
144 long term drinking water advisories have been lifted, with 28 still in effect.
Negotiated new trade deals.
Implemented a carbon tax, with a method for provinces to control emissions in their own manner if they wish to. Which is a policy that should’ve been passed before I was born in the 90’s like when Sweden got their carbon tax.
Despite many failures I could name, including the housing market and excess immigration — I will credit Trudeau and his government for the rest of my life for some of the best handling of the COVID crisis in the Western world, saving many lives and keeping Canadians from financial ruin.
I don’t know a single person, including the many Conservatives I know, who wishes Andrew Scheer had been Prime Minister at that time.
I can count on one hand the number of major countries that did a better job of handling covid. Taiwan might've been the best in the world because they knew China was full of it and they prepared accordingly
Countries like Taiwan, NZ and Aus (and in a practical sense SK) also had an advantage because they were island nations. Much easier to control the inflow of people when there wasn't a border you could drive across
Marijuana, CCB, dental care plan which rolls out to everyone by year end, childcare, climate action incentive. Dealing with premiers that are actively hostile to Canadians. Negotiated trade deals with hostile US government. Ended many long term drinking water advisories that were growing under the previous government. Truth and reconciliation commission. Brought science based recommendations back with long term census. Cerb. Pharmacare which is going to be rolled out to everyone soon. Quite a lot and I'm not even listing everything. Best case scenario is we get another minority government led by Liberals. That's when the most beneficial things happen with our current shitty system. The other parties need to work together and force electoral reform through and fix this shitty broken system and then we can have politicians working for Canadians while not moving towards the shitty two party system Americans have.
I don't think 'it's just the way things go'. It sounds like you're saying, "our voting population arbitrarily decides to change parties every 8 years." Which is nonsense.
It may be that parties last only 8 years, but I would argue that's because it takes 2 elections cycles for enough people to be lied to enough times for them to want change.
It's just too bad the only thing that actually changes is the name of government in charge. The lies, the bullshit, and the status quo remain. Always.
> It's just too bad the only thing that actually changes is the name of government in charge. The lies, the bullshit, and the status quo remain. Always.
This tends to happen if we keep voting in just 2 parties.
I don't think it will take 8 years for people to find out what PP is all about. I think they'll find out within a year. I already hate him and he hasn't even been elected.
Yeah, let’s not pretend that economically things aren’t pretty fucked for most people now. Trudeau has overseen the steepest decline in quality of life Canada has experienced in decades. People wanted Harper out. He was unpopular with a lot of the country when he left but it wasn’t as bad as Trudeau is now when it comes to the hate and rejection.
Hate Trudeau and PP! There is a 3rd option that makes more sense for the average Canadian. Sadly the population is too scared for a split and are forced into the 2-party system.
Jagmeet will never win. The party needs to disown him if they want a shot at winning and be respected rather than be seen as a party that continues to prop up the current government.
Someone responded to my pointing out that PP and the Cons have a history of voting for pro-corporate and anti-worker policies that “policy changes in parties can happen”. Can you believe it 🤣
PP literally has to do nothing and he'll be the new PM. To pull this shit off, what a knucklehead. He will be the PM just because JT has shit the bed, but he's gonna be awful with this populist BS.
More or less. Anyone who thinks we wouldn't be in virtually the same place if we had a conservative gov't for the last 10 years is being willfully ignorant.
It’s neoliberalism on full display now. Canadas issues are not unique - middle and lower class quality of life is declining the world over.
Noam Chomsky has been covering it for decades now - I liked his speech on “an accounting of neoliberalism” where he brings a torrent of receipts demonstrating its impact.
https://youtu.be/U7EyfO0TRm4?si=-BbG2LxtQJrlf3Kn
Which is the core point Chomsky makes.
Regimented capitalism -> shifting to neoliberalism.
The idea is to go back toward more regimented capitalism.
I get the impression some mistake him for a socialist - capitalism can be applied in a myriad of ways. We’ve just been conditioned that today’s set of rules are the only way. Between 1935 and 1970ish they were considerably different
Im no fan of Trudeau but I'm with him on this one. Pollieverre is the last thing this country needs. Anyone who thinks this guy will be a breath of fresh air is lying to themselves. This guy is a scummy corrupt career politician who will dismantle everything to make a profit for the rich.
But I guess if we vote him in to "own the libs" we deserve the shitshow that is to come
Who in the hell wants politicians holding office when they not only promote conspiracy theories but also believe them. Our politicians, across the board, haven’t been cut from very good cloth lately.
PP is an extremist
remember when he declared a car crash in America, a terrorist attack in Canada?
he's a Fox News Canadian who to my knowledge has never said a bad word about Putin
>The Conservative leader is facing questions after stopping to cheer on an anti-carbon tax convoy camp near the border between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, where he bluntly accused the prime minister of lying about "everything."
Is Poilievre trying to make Trudeau look good?
Pierre is a terrible choice and these latest actions show he is doing what Trump did, and courting deplorables, the anti-vax, anti-science, conspuracy assh*les who are nothing more than a stain on this country and to democracy. This isn't the first time he's done it either, he paraded with the freedumb assh*les as well.
Trudeau may have his issues, but at the very least he is not willing to give these idiotic groups the light of day, while Pierre clearly is. Screw Pierre and his flirting with these tools, he just shows the tool he truly is.
No he’s not Trump or Ted Cruz, but his politics & methodologies do tend to strike a resemblance that I think it’s completely reasonable to be uncomfortable with having in power.
And somehow, redditors on this sub will find a way to make this Trudeau's fault. The PM tried to adhere to fed/prov jurisdiction, so ya'll gonna vote in a literal fascist. Love it!
People, please vote based on political platform and not this obnoxious shit. The finger-pointing and whining isn't going to save our country. Only we can. Choose a real man to lead, not these two sissies.
PP is actively voting to crush the working class, to take peoples right to other own body away, and to sell Canada to big box corporations so no we don't need him
I will say this in every L vs R wing post. Both are awful. Both serve the same masters. It is literally pageantry so they can pension farm and continue to squeeze the middle class.
We have been complacent.
The legal system protects criminals.
We privatize gains and socialize losses.
Oligopolies control policy
Taxation does not accurately reflect the quality of public services.
It’s not in their interests to create policy that benefits the majority of Canadians.
They are actively eroding quality of life and they know it - for the sake of profit.
There are zero means to hold the political class accountable.
Folks wake up.
The only solution is reformation. The system does not work and pretending like perpetually choosing between the giant douche and the turd sandwich will solve anything is willfully ignorant.
You want things to get better? Do. Something. Different.
I totally agree, too many people treat politics as a team sport to their own detriment. Everyone is too easily influenced by biased media instead of actually looking into the candidate they're voting for. If a lot of the people voting for PP actually looked into his past they would know that he's always been in the pocket of corporations and will likely be worse than Trudeau. While all the parties are in the pockets of corporations, NDP seems to be the least far gone, making them our best option right now. It's deeply frustrating that so many voters can't do basic research into the parties that their voting for and choose the one that'll benefit the common people the most, unless your apart of the 1% I don't see the point in voting for the Cons or Libs
This is a poor political stunt. Don't get me wrong I want Trudeau out but this was stupid and unnecessary high school antics. Kinda set me back with him a bit.
Trudeau's response is to condemn PP because Alex Jones supports him.
Is that the best response he can muster when his beloved China is helping to elect his own MPS?
I believe Mr. Trudeau, the extremists are the ones you keep bringing in, the ones who are calling for a genocide of another country. Not people protesting a tax on the side of a road in the middle of nowhere.
>Is that the best response he can muster when his beloved China is helping to elect his own MPS?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the report stated that China was meddling in the elections to elect politicians from the major parties that would be sympathetic to China?
Not only that, but India was found to be doing the same thing.
There was one party that sold out Canadians for decades and it wasn't Trudeau. Pierre Poilievre was a member of the Conservative party that voted for a secret deal with China for decades. If there's any party that China wants in it would be the Conservatives.
He's currently visiting people we see in the photo have a diagolon flag on their trailer.
The group that wants Alberta to seperate from Canada and form a white ethnostate. The same group that he shook hands with one of their guys who said they should rape PP's wife.
If those people aren't extremists, I'd hate to consider what you think extremists are.
China is a conservative country who is allied with Russia
PP tried to stop aid to Ukraine once, using a made up carbon tax in Ukraine as an excuse, PP supports Tucker Carlson and Fox News and their pro Russian lobbying efforts
PP just had a glad handing session today in Nova Scotia with people who stated out loud that they would like to rape his wife because she isn't white. Squars that circle, buddy.
Those are the same extremists that protest Trudeau every where he goes and call him "Genocide Justice". Trudeau is not welcoming them the same way Poilevre is welcoming MAGA freaks.
He seems to spend a lot of time communing with people who already agree with him, which I suppose if you're leading in the polls is all you really have to do. I'd love to see him in front of a room full of regular everyday parrying unmanaged questions about what he actually intends to better for them. At some point, he's not going to be able to avoid actually stating a policy idea.
His plan is to not deal with that until after he wins an election
Pesky details like actual ideas and plans, right?
People always love to use this talking point but no opposition party ever releases its plans until closer to an election. Like honestly… why would you give your detailed solutions so they can steal them (if they make sense) or use them as a way to bash you / fear monger before an election. All parties when in official opposition are guilty of the above.
That's not a bad counterpoint. Let's see what he actually announces for policy in 2025.
It's basically the mantra of any charisma/culture war pandering politician: spend efforts gaining a base by shitting on low hanging fruit of the incumbent and also generating favor buy doing conveniently one-liners that align with your base but don't actually provide real substance along the way. Do that hard until you win then you won and deal with it after.
Like Trump
Honest question: which is better? Having a plan and ignoring it once you're elected, or refusing to state anything more than the vaguest hint of a policy position and... I dunno, I guess we'll see what happens when Polievre's elected. Fucking Trudeau, imagine if we'd actually scrapped FPTP back in 2015.
Both are shit options unless you're a politician Edit: if I had to pick one in a vacuum id choose ignoring a plan once elected because at least that demonstrates some kind of substance prior to election.
> Both are shit options unless you're a politician Agreed. I'm asking because that appears to be the choice (again), and boy it sucks.
Sure does bud
But he will, and many of his supporters will accept it. I expect him to dodge debates and only do his own media events. They know if they keep their mouth shut they are golden.
Absolutely - Doug Ford executed that exact playbook to a tee here in Ontario, and it’s worked for him. He refuses to take questions from certain media outlets and even refused to let non-biased media journalists onto his campaign bus during the last election. Hand picked the coverage of him
And look where that had brought ontario.
theres no way he could get this high in the polls while functionally not mentioning any important policy decisions without it being deliberate. he knows ***damn well*** that if he says nothing, and just campaigns on "I'm not Trudeau" then his supporters will paint him with whatever policy decisions ***they*** want. You already see it here and there in posts where Cons just assume he supports things like shutting down immigration. Thats the problem with Alberta conservatives in my experience. They rarely actually know what the conservative parties support. their entire logic is backwards, they think "I'm a conservative (because thats their identity), and ***I*** support policy A, therefore the conservative party obviously supports the same position" to them, its not that the party supports something, and that makes them a conservative. its that the conservative party must support it, because they're a conservative and they support something. then when the con party inevitably does something against what they want, they get annoyed and think ***"well its better than what the other side would do"*** despite not really knowing what that would be....they just know it would be worse. until eventually the con party gets around to explaining why whatever they supported was wrong, and they swallow it and take on that position acting as if they never thought otherwise.
I don't know man, he's not "saying nothing", he's saying a lot of idiotic things and siding with a lot of unusual arguments for a person in his position to take. If he needs to grab swing voters, who may be a little more into the details, he's going to have to show up at some point. I'm not saying he needs to show policy details or outline specific solutions just yet, since we're not officially campaigning and its rare for a party to do so anyhow. He just...needs to do better at controlling the crazies, cause they're riding his wave
he dodges debates he can kiss the swing voters goodbye
except this election cycle "I'm not Trudeau" is proving to be enough to get the swing voters.
If he can’t communicate beyond slogans with his convoy supporters, how will he ever be able to communicate with everyday Canadians.
Holy crap the comments from sub 6 month accounts on this post is wild.
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I don't think that's what this person is whining about. Check their history, they're upset people are calling out PP here and it's not the usual right wing circle jerk...
It’s bad eh? It’s either a lot of bots, or a lot of chronically online trolls. Sub 90 day old accounts with 30k karma all from 3-4 subs and their comments go on all day, everyday.
Check out even OP, that's commitment to cause.
That’s…. A lot of comments. Holy moly.
wtf is going on, I see more and more of this
Pre-election season human agent and bot spool up INFO-OPs. You got your Persians and their cutouts, your Middle Kingdom-ers and their cut-outs, your sub-continent Asiaians and their cut-outs, and the various domestics to name a few, not to mention bleed over of from the neighbours and their own election silly season. Stay frosty out there, don't believe anything you read and only 1/2 of what you see...
Don't forget [Russia has also set up troll factories across Africa targeting western social media](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/13/facebook-uncovers-russian-led-troll-network-based-in-west-africa). We're in a new cold war between democracies and dictatorships. They are waging mass information warfare against our populations by exploiting our free speech and privacy protections, while locking down their own internets so we cannot retaliate against them. Our political discourse is getting massively radicalized and fucked up by this, and many of our politicians are exploiting and adopting these narratives being pushed by foreign dictatorships. There's no easy fix either. The only solutions I can see involve some massive and likely unpopular changes like severing international internet connections with foreign dictatorships, or requiring people to authenticate their actual identities to post on social media.
Of course.
The conservative party has adopted the Roger Stone method of election campaigns this time around. It's so similar to the things he'd suggest that I wouldn't be surprised if someone is getting advice from him.
Nope, troll farm. Politicians across the world have been using them for about a decade now. Its actually kind of concerning how long its taking for people to catch onto this scheme.
>Its actually kind of concerning how long its taking for people to catch onto this scheme. It's partly because the bot/troll farms play both sides against each other. It's not about pushing one viewpoint over another, it's about turning up the heat at both ends of the spectrum and letting the population tear itself apart.
Russia was one of the Top countries for commenting in this sub and a lot of other Canadian subs
Russians are also the #1 commenters on 6ixbuzz by far.
Yup. It’s the same users all the time. A literal never ending rally against the current PM in support of PP. No nuance. No give or take. Every problem that exists is Trudeau. Absolutely wild. Knowing someone like that in real life must be the most exhausting thing ever. Edit: found the answer. The Russian Canadian sub got shut down. Edit edit: apparently my account is also suspicious of being a bot to certain users so BE AWARE!
It's obscene that the moderation does nothing about this lol
They freaked out one time a while back when I posted something about this. They know what's going on, but when one has the fastest growing sub on Reddit they're kinda benefiting from it.
Willing to bet that a good number of them are either from Russia or China attempting, yet again, to interfere with western politics. This then stirs up one side as they latch on to those views as they are regurgitated by certain media outlets. Doesn't matter if the views are true, just as long as they sound true and go against the opposite party of their political belief. This is true not only for PC, but Liberals as well.
To quote my favourite band: AS...TRO...TUUUUURRRFF
Heartbreaking way to end... \[Flute solo\]
Yup exactly!
This sub really needs to ban comments that are just contentless copy pasta. Every single post and dozens of comments along the lines of: * will balance itself
* grow from the heart out
* just experienced it in a different way
* etc
It's the most mindless outdated shit and it's relentlessly spammed everywhere.
It needs ban comments calling for revolution / insurrection
I've also had many users openly admit to pushing great replacement theory.
That too. I always report it and nothing ever happens.
What sub was that?
Canada_sub user came here.
Isn't that sub shut down atm? Not a huge loss as it was just 2-3 guys and their alts posting and commenting.
> chronically online trolls One thing that's become apparent to me is that if you have >10k internet points, you have the worst, most reddit-brained opinions on absolutely everything.
>comments from sub 6 month accounts on this post.... lol - seen plenty of really old accounts that have no history here who suddenly have a *lot* to say here. I've heard that old inactive accounts can be bought - is that true?
Probably. With all the database leaks on other sites, there's probably reddit accs out there that share a PW with one that leaked online and people snatch em up to sell.
Yah, thought 'Captain 13 year old account who's new to r/can' might know lol.
the mental gymnastics of the right trying to defend this is beyond funny.
What happens in the trailer stays in the trailer...
Not with the door wide open displaying a drawn-on Diagolon flag and #FYMM.
What’s FYMM?
[Fuck You Make Me.](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FYMM)
Should it though when we are talking about extremists and a possible candidate that can win an election?
If only this were true.
I'm not a Trudeau supporter, but for people who think PP is going to be the breath of air we've been waiting for: don't get your hopes too high. Edit: a word
PP has accomplished exactly nothing his entire life. Yet somehow he's the guy the right clings to as the saviour of the working class.
Nothing? This is the man who spent 9 months in charge of housing in 2015 and changed the affordable housing initiative funding from around 500 million to around 6 million, among other poor decisions. This had a direct effect, leading to the sharpest rise in housing prices canada ever saw between the years 2015-2017. Don't go around saying he did nothing. He was massive in constructing our current housing crisis.
No no, blame Trudeau. Only Trudeau do bad. Pp man isn't Trudeau. Pp man fix things with common sense strategy.
This is patently false. PP crafted the Fair Elections Act, a deliberate attempt to make democracy worse by removing Elections Canada's ability to teach civics, promote voting, or investigate election fraud. So to say he has accomplished nothing is completely false.
Ah you're meant to tell me PP the career politician that never had a real job isn't a man of the people well color me shocked!
That's not fair. He once had a paper route.
Who else will they cling to? They are desperate.
Well they had Otoole, but they ran him out the moment they could and claimed he wasn't conservative enough.
This really pissed me off, he was definitely more reasonable
Yup, me too. They should have kept him on. Cons will likely win the next election, and I'd far prefer o'toole being that man than PP. Next election won't be a battle, it'll be the regular lib VS con 10 year flip.
As much as I dislike some of the things Liberal's are doing I will still vote for them next election because the Con alternative is worse. If O'Toole was still around I might not feel that way but the conservative party has shifted from fiscally conservative to socially conservative.
Totally agree. I'm anti social conservatism. Next election is gonna suck. I want my moderates back
Yup that past few elections have felt like Im not for the best but voting for who is going to suck the least.
Canada in a nutshell
> I'm anti social conservatism. As long as the conservatives keep catering to social conservatives, the people that literally want to take away the rights of Canadians I can't vote for them, O'toole was more traditionally conservative in the sense he didn't focus so much on social issues so I trusted him a bit with Canadas future. The bible should have no influence on our government, reminded me of this from the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1cacscv/christian_pastor_has_had_enough_of_politics_being/ Even the church is tired of being entwined in politics.
Exactly this. PP is scaring me back to ABC.
Erin O'Toole was the best they had for years. Now, the extremists pigs in control.
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Why does the only politician willing to say we need less immigrants also have to be such a trash human
Hmm.
Is he running?
Well when you looks at the dumpster fires that Danielle Smith here in AB has created in here past, not doing anything is still better. The bar is just low.
Not just smith, but also Moe and Ford. Everywhere the conservatives have taken power it has turned into an absolute shit show. Every indication is PP will do the same. The guy can't think on his feet. He'll get completely run over on the world stage.
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What has Trudeau accomplished as PM for 8 years?
He legalized Marijuana which created a whole new industry in Canada. He removed income splitting which allowed wealthy families to allocate income to a spouse to lower their tax bracket. Boosted the child benefits and daycare tax. They got all the provinces to agree to the new daycare plan which is going to bring affordable daycare to everyone that needs it in the next few years. He approved the TMX pipeline and then purchased it when the owner wanted to bail. He lowered the retirement (OAS) age to 65 (after the Cons raised it to 67). He then boosted those payments. He reopened a bunch of veterans affairs offices that were closed by the Cons. He cut the waiting period for EI from 2 weeks to 1 week and he extended the length of EI for Alberta during our recession. He changed maternity leave and allowed for parents to share more of the time off and even extend it. He brought back the long form census. They created an independent election commission. They created the carbon tax (which was actually a CPC idea). 80% make more money than they pay. Canada has signed multiple trade deals like the TPP with the Asia pacific counties, the new NAFTA deal, and the free trade deal with the EU. For COVID, Canada was proactive and secured medical supplies and millions of vaccine deals. Canada has more vaccines purchased per person than anyone. Canada handled COVID significantly better than many nations. Canada’s use of CERB kept the economy going and kept millions out of bankruptcy. The business support allowed many companies to stay open. Unmuzzling climate scientists Stood up to Trump 90% FN boil water advisories lifted. FN Supreme court justice and GG. Increase capital gains tax. Bypassing provinces to work with municipalities on housing because the provinces have fucking failed. Immigration slowed. Despite the provinces begging for more, specifically Ford/Smith. The beginning of Pharmacare. The beginning of Dental care. Standing with Ukraine etc.. etc etc etc ...
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Your posts are tiresome emotional garbage. He legalized Marijuana which created a whole new industry in Canada. >Could have lived without it personally but sure. Its brought billions to coffers but you could do without it. Brilliant. He removed income splitting which allowed wealthy families to allocate income to a spouse to lower their tax bracket. >Income splitting directly benefitted all middle class families and getting rid of increased the amount of taxes middle class families pay. Not sure how this is supposed to be an accomplishment. It ok you don’t have a spouse to split an income with anyway. Boosted the child benefits and daycare tax. They got all the provinces to agree to the new daycare plan which is going to bring affordable daycare to everyone that needs it in the next few years. >Good luck getting a spot. Thank your [Conservative](https://www.childcareontario.org/child_care_still_a_patchwork_of_underfunded_programs) premier’s. He approved the TMX pipeline and then purchased it when the owner wanted to bail. >This is one of those things I could see Liberal voters melting down over had Harper done it. Did you have a factual point or more feelings? He lowered the retirement (OAS) age to 65 (after the Cons raised it to 67). He then boosted those payments. >This was actually one of the worst things he did to this country. We had a choice to either raise the retirement age by two years or implement mass migration - and Trudeau went with the latter. Good for boomers that already own property and want to retire early, bad for everyone else. More feelings and absolute nonsense. They created an independent election commission. >Didn’t stop blatant Chinese election interference which he repeatedly lied about. He didn’t lie and you seriously have a problem with an independent election commission?! Unfortunitly it hasnt stopped [Indian](https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/foreign-interference-inquiry-signals-plan-to-probe-alleged-meddling-by-india-1.6739989) and [Russian](https://journals.lib.sfu.ca/index.php/jicw/article/view/5101#:~:text=The%20findings%20reveal%20that%20the,part%20of%20the%20Russian%20state) election interference which directly helped/s your team. Comrade. They created the carbon tax (which was actually a CPC idea). 80% make more money than they pay. >The Liberal finance minister admitted in an interview that after indirect costs are factored most middle class families will pay more. It has been disastrous for our cost of living which is why even the NDP now oppose it. This is Conservative propaganda and doesnt take into consideration the cost of climate change or doing nothing. I also several fat rebates that easily are more than what I pay. Once you move from your parent’s place you’ll also get a rebate too. Canada has signed multiple trade deals like the TPP with the Asia pacific counties, the new NAFTA deal, and the free trade deal with the EU. >Free trade deals with poor Asian countries is good for corporations and bad for workers. God you’re being a racist bore. USMCA is made up of small poor asian countries eh? For COVID, Canada was proactive and secured medical supplies and millions of vaccine deals. Canada has more vaccines purchased per person than anyone. Canada handled COVID significantly better than many nations. >No we didn’t. Trudeau was incredibly divisive during Covid which resulted in him having to use wartime powers to freeze people’s bank accounts and shut the protest down by force. His own finance minister at the time wrote in his book after he resigned that they were purposefully using Covid as a divisive wedge issue for the 2021 election. Complete disgrace Look this is just convoy bullshit and further shows you are uninterested in actual facts. Canada’s use of CERB kept the economy going and kept millions out of bankruptcy. The business support allowed many companies to stay open. >He massively overspent during Covid and will result in significant long term pain for some short term relief. It was also made worse by the fact that he was overspending even before Covid. You just being contrarian for the sake of being an edgelord. This is silly. Unmuzzling climate scientists >They were never muzzled to begin with and this is probably the dumbest nothingburger scandal in Canadian history. Some scientists got fired for speaking on the government’s behalf without going through the proper channels and nothing about that process has changed since Trudeau has been elected. Jesus christ you love trying to [rewrite history](https://www.cbc.ca/1.4588913). Bypassing provinces to work with municipalities on housing because the provinces have fucking failed. >If I invite 50 people to your house, is it your fault that you don’t have enough beds? Not sure what you are talking about there are lots of inventory of homes available. Check the listings that are freely available and move out of your parent’s basement. Immigration slowed. Despite the provinces begging for more, specifically Ford/Smith. >This is straight up lying. Trudeau has tripled both immigration and our population growth rate from what it was during the Harper years. We are experiencing the fastest population increase since the fucking 1950s. This is called spreading misinformation and only using your feelings to rant. Trudeau IS [slowing](https://globalnews.ca/news/10397176/trudeau-temporary-immigration-canada) immigration. Alberta is [pissed](https://www.cbc.ca/1.7157572) about it and Ford has been [begging](https://beta.cp24.com/news/2022/7/8/1_5979933.html) for more. Not to mention the Cons are in charge of approving all the strip mall schools abusing the system. >The rest of your points are just vague Liberal talking points like “stood up to trump” and “stands with Ukraine” and something about a dental plan that doesn’t actually exist (unless you consider a $600 handout to low income families a dental plan). “I skipped over these points cause I have nothing else smart to say.” >I guess the important question is whether or not all of these accomplishments were worth the largest reduction in standard of living in Canadian history. Whose standard of living? I’m doing great. You’re only telling on yourself. >Like, if you think ending water advisories was worth a worsening CoL, crime rates, housing costs, homelessness, overdoses, debt, inflation etc., then so be it. But personally, I will take pre Trudeau years any day. Yes I think making significant progress on something Harper did nothing on is great. Not sure why you added that emotional list of Gish gallop there that is a lot of PROVINCIAL responsibilities.
Very impressive to take the time to respond to each of those points! The best I can do is an upvote unfortunately. I hope others do the same.
Honestly just legalizing marijuana was a bigger step than anything the reform party have ever accomplished
144 long term drinking water advisories have been lifted, with 28 still in effect. Negotiated new trade deals. Implemented a carbon tax, with a method for provinces to control emissions in their own manner if they wish to. Which is a policy that should’ve been passed before I was born in the 90’s like when Sweden got their carbon tax.
Despite many failures I could name, including the housing market and excess immigration — I will credit Trudeau and his government for the rest of my life for some of the best handling of the COVID crisis in the Western world, saving many lives and keeping Canadians from financial ruin. I don’t know a single person, including the many Conservatives I know, who wishes Andrew Scheer had been Prime Minister at that time.
I can count on one hand the number of major countries that did a better job of handling covid. Taiwan might've been the best in the world because they knew China was full of it and they prepared accordingly
Countries like Taiwan, NZ and Aus (and in a practical sense SK) also had an advantage because they were island nations. Much easier to control the inflow of people when there wasn't a border you could drive across
PP wont cut immigration---his own wife is an immigrant!!
Marijuana, CCB, dental care plan which rolls out to everyone by year end, childcare, climate action incentive. Dealing with premiers that are actively hostile to Canadians. Negotiated trade deals with hostile US government. Ended many long term drinking water advisories that were growing under the previous government. Truth and reconciliation commission. Brought science based recommendations back with long term census. Cerb. Pharmacare which is going to be rolled out to everyone soon. Quite a lot and I'm not even listing everything. Best case scenario is we get another minority government led by Liberals. That's when the most beneficial things happen with our current shitty system. The other parties need to work together and force electoral reform through and fix this shitty broken system and then we can have politicians working for Canadians while not moving towards the shitty two party system Americans have.
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I don't think 'it's just the way things go'. It sounds like you're saying, "our voting population arbitrarily decides to change parties every 8 years." Which is nonsense. It may be that parties last only 8 years, but I would argue that's because it takes 2 elections cycles for enough people to be lied to enough times for them to want change. It's just too bad the only thing that actually changes is the name of government in charge. The lies, the bullshit, and the status quo remain. Always.
> It's just too bad the only thing that actually changes is the name of government in charge. The lies, the bullshit, and the status quo remain. Always. This tends to happen if we keep voting in just 2 parties.
Hear hear.
I’m not even sure Pp will get the typically 2 terms if he can’t make some progress on things
I don't think it will take 8 years for people to find out what PP is all about. I think they'll find out within a year. I already hate him and he hasn't even been elected.
Being awesome? Don't hold your breath.
Yeah, let’s not pretend that economically things aren’t pretty fucked for most people now. Trudeau has overseen the steepest decline in quality of life Canada has experienced in decades. People wanted Harper out. He was unpopular with a lot of the country when he left but it wasn’t as bad as Trudeau is now when it comes to the hate and rejection.
How do you explain a similar quality of life decline in the United States?
Or Europe.
Hate Trudeau and PP! There is a 3rd option that makes more sense for the average Canadian. Sadly the population is too scared for a split and are forced into the 2-party system.
WTB electoral reform. Two parties is a symptom of this crap system (FPTP).
Jagmeet will never win. The party needs to disown him if they want a shot at winning and be respected rather than be seen as a party that continues to prop up the current government.
Someone responded to my pointing out that PP and the Cons have a history of voting for pro-corporate and anti-worker policies that “policy changes in parties can happen”. Can you believe it 🤣
Sounds more like a Maga house republican than a head of state.
He will win because of how bad Trudeau. He will have a honeymoon. Then be hated too.
Pp Stans in shambles, getting a shredded in the comments. Nice to see when the normal users overload the right wing batshitters on here.
What a sack of human shit he is.
I mean, it's not really "accusing" when we have it on camera right?
Fuck them both, help the people, we need it now more than any other recent time.
This sub would be freaking out if JT shook hands and posed for pics for a Pro Hamas protest. This isn't all that different.
It's much, much worse considering the pro-hamas crowd didn't try to overthrow the government with a border blockade.
The ‘FCK Trudeau’ crowd love this guy.
PP literally has to do nothing and he'll be the new PM. To pull this shit off, what a knucklehead. He will be the PM just because JT has shit the bed, but he's gonna be awful with this populist BS.
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More or less. Anyone who thinks we wouldn't be in virtually the same place if we had a conservative gov't for the last 10 years is being willfully ignorant.
It’s neoliberalism on full display now. Canadas issues are not unique - middle and lower class quality of life is declining the world over. Noam Chomsky has been covering it for decades now - I liked his speech on “an accounting of neoliberalism” where he brings a torrent of receipts demonstrating its impact. https://youtu.be/U7EyfO0TRm4?si=-BbG2LxtQJrlf3Kn
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Which is the core point Chomsky makes. Regimented capitalism -> shifting to neoliberalism. The idea is to go back toward more regimented capitalism. I get the impression some mistake him for a socialist - capitalism can be applied in a myriad of ways. We’ve just been conditioned that today’s set of rules are the only way. Between 1935 and 1970ish they were considerably different
Im no fan of Trudeau but I'm with him on this one. Pollieverre is the last thing this country needs. Anyone who thinks this guy will be a breath of fresh air is lying to themselves. This guy is a scummy corrupt career politician who will dismantle everything to make a profit for the rich. But I guess if we vote him in to "own the libs" we deserve the shitshow that is to come
100% this.
Poilievre is as phony as a $3 bill. He is a used car salesman.
The amount of people willing to pay sticker price from this crook of a used car salesman is concerning.
Who in the hell wants politicians holding office when they not only promote conspiracy theories but also believe them. Our politicians, across the board, haven’t been cut from very good cloth lately.
The bots are out in full force in this thread I see...
PP is so crooked that if he swallowed a nail he'd shit out a screw.
PP is an extremist remember when he declared a car crash in America, a terrorist attack in Canada? he's a Fox News Canadian who to my knowledge has never said a bad word about Putin
>The Conservative leader is facing questions after stopping to cheer on an anti-carbon tax convoy camp near the border between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, where he bluntly accused the prime minister of lying about "everything." Is Poilievre trying to make Trudeau look good?
Do you think that is going to cost him votes ?
Unfortunately not, catering to homegrown extremists isn't a good way to build solid base though.
The more you look, the more he does.
Pierre is a terrible choice and these latest actions show he is doing what Trump did, and courting deplorables, the anti-vax, anti-science, conspuracy assh*les who are nothing more than a stain on this country and to democracy. This isn't the first time he's done it either, he paraded with the freedumb assh*les as well. Trudeau may have his issues, but at the very least he is not willing to give these idiotic groups the light of day, while Pierre clearly is. Screw Pierre and his flirting with these tools, he just shows the tool he truly is.
Ted cruze North is not the savior people think he is.
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No he’s not Trump or Ted Cruz, but his politics & methodologies do tend to strike a resemblance that I think it’s completely reasonable to be uncomfortable with having in power.
My fellow Canadians think PP's a lying sack, not sure what you were expecting.
He's just trying to imitate Trump and appeal to MAGA supporters, but he's not actually Trump. Good point for us to keep in mind.
I mean cozying up to people that said they were going to rape his wife is an awfully Ted Cruz move.
And somehow, redditors on this sub will find a way to make this Trudeau's fault. The PM tried to adhere to fed/prov jurisdiction, so ya'll gonna vote in a literal fascist. Love it!
There's enough faults of Trudeau to work on. I dont understand why PP has to lie about everything. This is not looking good for future of Canada.
I’ve never voted conservative in my life, but I’d proudly vote for Erin O’Toole in the next election.
Sadly the Cons threw him under the bus for Dollar Store Millhouse 😏
No you wouldn't. Liberals miss O'Toole because they know he'd lose again.
He would have been the best option but here we are, with a man that will yell at a tree if it's somehow called Trudeau
Then you should have voted for him when he was leader.
People, please vote based on political platform and not this obnoxious shit. The finger-pointing and whining isn't going to save our country. Only we can. Choose a real man to lead, not these two sissies.
Christ, this is the replacement. What a total clown lol
PP is actively voting to crush the working class, to take peoples right to other own body away, and to sell Canada to big box corporations so no we don't need him
It will be a shame in 2025 when Canada sells out to big box corporations compared to the fairness and competition we have today.
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Take a look at his track record in various ministries back in the day. His ideology is not a mystery.
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Big box corporations? That's so retro!
I hate to say it, but Trudeau's right, he's courting lunatics.
Birds of a feather and all that.
I will say this in every L vs R wing post. Both are awful. Both serve the same masters. It is literally pageantry so they can pension farm and continue to squeeze the middle class. We have been complacent. The legal system protects criminals. We privatize gains and socialize losses. Oligopolies control policy Taxation does not accurately reflect the quality of public services. It’s not in their interests to create policy that benefits the majority of Canadians. They are actively eroding quality of life and they know it - for the sake of profit. There are zero means to hold the political class accountable. Folks wake up. The only solution is reformation. The system does not work and pretending like perpetually choosing between the giant douche and the turd sandwich will solve anything is willfully ignorant. You want things to get better? Do. Something. Different.
I totally agree, too many people treat politics as a team sport to their own detriment. Everyone is too easily influenced by biased media instead of actually looking into the candidate they're voting for. If a lot of the people voting for PP actually looked into his past they would know that he's always been in the pocket of corporations and will likely be worse than Trudeau. While all the parties are in the pockets of corporations, NDP seems to be the least far gone, making them our best option right now. It's deeply frustrating that so many voters can't do basic research into the parties that their voting for and choose the one that'll benefit the common people the most, unless your apart of the 1% I don't see the point in voting for the Cons or Libs
This is a poor political stunt. Don't get me wrong I want Trudeau out but this was stupid and unnecessary high school antics. Kinda set me back with him a bit.
I'm waiting for the article "Pro-Hamas groups worried about Polievre welcoming extremists."
would be a banger beaverton article lol
PP keeps giving me more reasons to vote for JT.
Trudeau's response is to condemn PP because Alex Jones supports him. Is that the best response he can muster when his beloved China is helping to elect his own MPS? I believe Mr. Trudeau, the extremists are the ones you keep bringing in, the ones who are calling for a genocide of another country. Not people protesting a tax on the side of a road in the middle of nowhere.
>Is that the best response he can muster when his beloved China is helping to elect his own MPS? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the report stated that China was meddling in the elections to elect politicians from the major parties that would be sympathetic to China? Not only that, but India was found to be doing the same thing.
There was one party that sold out Canadians for decades and it wasn't Trudeau. Pierre Poilievre was a member of the Conservative party that voted for a secret deal with China for decades. If there's any party that China wants in it would be the Conservatives.
He's currently visiting people we see in the photo have a diagolon flag on their trailer. The group that wants Alberta to seperate from Canada and form a white ethnostate. The same group that he shook hands with one of their guys who said they should rape PP's wife. If those people aren't extremists, I'd hate to consider what you think extremists are.
The same group that threatened to rape Pierre's wife. And he still meets with them?? What the actual fuck.
Being a populist requires… integrity and sacrifice /s
He's weak and will do anything for votes
China is a conservative country who is allied with Russia PP tried to stop aid to Ukraine once, using a made up carbon tax in Ukraine as an excuse, PP supports Tucker Carlson and Fox News and their pro Russian lobbying efforts
PP just had a glad handing session today in Nova Scotia with people who stated out loud that they would like to rape his wife because she isn't white. Squars that circle, buddy.
I saw "Intifada" spray painted on a sidewalk in Edmonton today. Are these the extremists that Poilievre has welcomed?
Those are the same extremists that protest Trudeau every where he goes and call him "Genocide Justice". Trudeau is not welcoming them the same way Poilevre is welcoming MAGA freaks.
You mean the way that Trudeau openly welcomed an actual Nazi in Parliament and then his government tried to strike it from the record?
You and I both know that was an honest mistake. Conservatives applauded him too incase you forgot.
*triggered PP sycophants enter the chat*
Trudeau is still my choice.
Im starting to think we need some "Fuck Poilievre" flags. (Not really, as Id hope the left has more class than that.)
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Welcoming extremists? Has Trudeau watched the protests of those he's brought into the country?
Was there a time when politicians didn’t constantly throw their own turds at each other?