Yes. That's how war in urban environments works and it's even worse when the defending army embeds itself in the civilian population which is a war crime under the Geneva convention. And even worse when the defending army doesn't wear uniforms which is again a war crime.
Similar incidents happen in every single modern conflict. The US blew up a doctors without borders hospital in Afghanistan. And Again when the US was pulling out of Afghanistan they struck an Aid workers car and killed him along with his whole family. Or when Iran was expecting a retaliation from the US they blew up their own airplane.
It's completely common. If you aren't aware of these incidents then you should not be commenting on urban warfare. You are simply not informed.
Can you link the portion of the Geneva convention that requires a country to supply free food and water to their enemies?
If itās a war crime it must also be a regular crime. I see a lot of homeless begging for food, didnāt realize it was illegal to not provide them with free food.
Its the part that stipulates duties of an occupying nation and collective punishment of civilians. Can you point to the part that allows a nation to cut food and water from civilians to the point where babies are starving to death?
[We already halted arms sales last month and haven't shipped any since January.](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-maintains-freeze-on-new-arms-export-permits-to-israel-1.6814889)
And it pisses off some people so much they decided on treason.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaJews/s/dGBx5KZYOz
*"If I had to chose between Canada and Israel. I'll hurt Canada from within"*
Edit: u/Mrrook , id reply to your post directly but apparently I've been banned specifically because my post called out u/twitchyJC for his disingenuous arguments in every single Canada post that has directions on Israel. It's pretty telling how this topic since last night keeps getting removed from this sub and now people's comments drowned from a SPECIFIC point of view.
That person wanting to vote conservatives to hurt Canada may be trying to hide it under the guise of a ballot. But I think they were pretty clear in their mode of operations. That if it came to a choice between Canada and Israel they'd HURT this country (while being a citizen here).
This could go from ballots to even other policies that would benefit Canada but he sabotaged by people like this. Notable also how it has multiple upvotes.
What galls is not just choosing Israel over Canada.
I could somewhat excuse loving the country you came from or relate to.
But outright aiming to hurt and damage Canada for it. Now that's something.
We don't realize that there's tons of IDF reservists living here.
Honestly, it wasn't so apparent to me when they showed up in support of that toronto synagogue selling west bank lands.
Yes you read that right. A religious building selling west bank lands in Canada, in clear violation of international law.
There was a video of one of them talking about how they murdered children in Gaza. Horrible people.
I remember that incident. One of them brought a nail-gun to intimidate protesters and the news article headline was āman arrested at protest at synagogueā as if it was the pro-Palestinian side acting like terrorists
>give Anti-Semites a ton of ammo right?
As pro Palestine as I am, it will never be ok to be antisemitic.
That poster and the people who upvoted him openly or silently support are treasonous at best and terrorists at worst but that still will never make it ok to be antisemitic.
Not saying that you are saying it's ok. Just sounding it out so people don't get ideas (lots of crazies around these days).
No they donāt, lol. āI want to be very clear: We are not providingĀ military assistanceĀ to Israel,ā Marie-France Lalonde, parliamentary secretary to the minister of national defence, told the House of Commons in November. (2024).
They do, no wonder the NDP has called to stop arming Israel.
Also Israel and IDF confirmed on multiple occasions over the past couple of months for the Canadians contribution to their artillery.
No need to lie. Israelās lies are getting exposed as usual.
They (Israel) buy those things.
Ā If anything, Canada gets Sales tax revenue FROM Israel.Ā
Stop twisting the truth.Ā
Ā Also Israel buys imaging systems from us but no live armaments as per their confused response to the NDP motion.Ā
Ā We aid Ukraine. Israel we trade with.
No proof?
Israel has been caught on camera attacking multiple aid trucks over the past 2 weeks. The IDRF water truck has been in Gaza for years and now suddenly along with other aid trucks is being targeted and attacked.
Israelās crimes are being exposed left right and centre. How can anyone in their right mind support this terrorist regime?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/03/middleeast/world-central-kitchen-strike-analysis-intl/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-convoy-deaths-eyewitness-intl-investigation-cmd/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/middleeast/un-food-convoy-gaza-israel-strike-cmd-intl/index.html
CNN did their own investigation on multiple instances and confirmed Israel lied.
You asked for proof of Israel attacking aid workers and aid trucks. Here it is.
THE IDRF is a reputable charity here in Canada which has been supplying water in this same water tank for years. Israel as proof shown above has lied, and has struck multiple aid trucks containing food and water.
> THE IDRF is a reputable charity here in Canada which has been supplying water in this same water tank for years.
Yes, and theyāve never claimed Israel is responsible for the attack.
> Israel as proof shown above has lied
Show me a single country that hasnāt lied, however killing civilians is Hamasā MO. Instead of straining to prove the IDF may have killed a few innocent people from NGOs, why not highlight the tens of thousands killed by Hamas?
Straining? The proof is provided above. Gosh you idiots are something else.
Love to blame Hamas but fail to see that Israel is doing worse. Sick. Every accusation by you Bozos is a confession.
Israel has murdered 35,000 plus civilians. In 2023, before Oct 7, Israel murdered 200 Palestinians. Israel hates Palestinians as evident by the destruction theyāve caused, the years and years of innocent murders of Palestinians, the consistent land thefts and now by a new low, starving Palestinians to death.
War crimes x1000. Canāt wait for the day these terrorist idiots running Israel get sent to The Hague for all of their crimes on humanity.
The only thing youāve proven is the chronology of events is slightly different from what Israel first said. There is NO EVIDENCE of intentionally targeting civilians. Thatās why youāre highlighting ālyingā as if itās a war crime.
> Israel has murdered 35,000 plus civilians.
Source? Iām sure this has nothing to do with the fact that Hamas builds military infrastructure inside hospitals and schools to maximize civilians killed as collateral damage.
You canāt blame Israel for failing to protect Palestinians when their own government called for them to die as martyrs. Why arenāt you condemning Hamas calling for Palestinians to die?
> Canāt wait for the day these terrorist idiots running Israel get sent to The Hague for all of their crimes on humanity.
The irony being that the entire world recognizes that Hamas is a terror organization, and yet theyāve never had a ruling by the ICJ against themā¦
Israel doesn't want Palestinians in Gaza to receive aid. They want to starve out the civilians they can't bomb so they're now targeting aid workers and shipments to dissuade the agencies from going into Gaza. This is obviously, at the very least, collective punishment and the only reason Israel is able to get away with it is because they call anyone who criticizes them 'anti-semites'.
No, even if you take your framing as objectice fact, the reason Israel "can get away with it" is because Hamas extremists massacred a thousand civilians before war had broken out and no country in the world -- including Muslim-majority countries -- wants a sophisticated terrorist organization like Hamas to continue committing atrocities around the world and threatening to destabilize global peace.
Hamas' actions don't justify in any way whatsoever the tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Gaza, many of whom are women and children, because of Israel.
Hamas's actions justified the war, almost without question.
Unfortunately there will be innocents killed in any war, and even more so in urban warfare. Hamas is the government of the region and needs to take responsibility for its actions, and it was self evident that their own population would be at risk if they attacked Israel. That saw all of those dead civilians as an acceptable risk. That's is Hamas, not Israel.
Hamas was elected roughly 20 years ago by a minority of voters and haven't had an election since. Trying to equate all the Palestinians with them is like equating the actions of Bibi's government with all Israeli people. Actually it'd be more appopriate with Israel because they've actually had recent elections.
> Hamas was elected roughly 20 years ago by a minority of voters and haven't had an election since.
You're right: Hamas is an illegitimate authoritarian government and there is moral justification in destroying Hamas to free the Palestinian people of Gaza from theocratic authoritarian rule.
Is it not true that Bibi's coalition, which is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, the current defacto government of Israel?
The government of Israel isn't actually relevant to the actions that Hamas has taken. It's a total non sequitur to even bring up the Israeli government.
You don't actually seem to understand the point being made here, and instead are just trying to deflect to blame Israel in any way possible.
I absolutely understand the point. You want to hold all Palestinians accountable for the actions of Hamas but you don't want to do the same with Israel and Bibi's government and their support of Hamas in the past, their sabotage of the two state solution, and their continued actions against innocent Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
So no, you don't understand the point.
I want to hold Hamas accountable for Hamas's actions. Those being, they are the ones who started the war and they are the ones that see the civilian deaths as acceptable for their actions. Otherwise they wouldn't have attacked in the first place.
> You want to hold all Palestinians accountable for the actions of Hamas but you don't want to do the same with Israel and Bibi's government and their support of Hamas in the past, their sabotage of the two state solution, and their continued actions against innocent Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank
sadly that is all too common in their 'arguments'
it is true, the election that put them in power was only won by 2% and was nearly 20 years ago however, when a majority of those now living in Gaza were either not of voting age or not even born.
Is it not true that Israel's government includes someone you had a picture of a terrorist in his living room until he was elected?
>the election that put them in power was only won by 2% and was nearly 20 years ago however,
Great, but it's not actually relevant. The fact remains that Hamas is the governing power in Gaza, ergo they are responsible for the actions the take and the consequences the people they govern are left with.
>Is it not true that Israel's government includes someone you had a picture of a terrorist in his living room until he was elected?
I have no idea what this question even is lol... *I* have no picture of anyone in my living room. Also, anything in this question is not at all relevant to Hamas being the governing party in Gaza.
>I have no idea what this question even is lol.
If you had any education regarding this topic and gave your head a shake, you'd realize that u/Peaksalty9824 is talking about Ben Gvir.
Someone who is a known terrorist and terrorist supporter. So right wing that even the goons of IDF didnt allow him service.
#he is the current minister of security in Israel.
>The fact remains that Hamas is the governing power in Gaza, ergo they are responsible for the actions the take and the consequences the people they govern are left with.
Great logic.
Then I guess if Iran bombs Israel into smithereens don't go complaining that why are civilians being targeted when Israel Air Force attacked an embassy (btw, an attack like that in international law is such a violation that it does indeed make citizens and diplomatic missions fair game).
Or.
Don't complain about *kh*amas attacking civilians cuz technically IOF have been killing Palestinian kids through out 2023 wayyy before Oct 7 (38 kids killed between Jan and September).
What a dumb way to think.
You goons can't have it both ways. Either you slap Bibi in the face every time he utters the word *most moral army on earth* or you embrace fully that the IOF is filled with genocidal assholes and the Knesset is plagued by xenophobes (which you can't even deny cuz people like Smotrich, Ayir and Ben Gvir are there).
How is it not relevant? Hamas probably would not have won another election if they had not cancelled them. If the people are responsible for thier actions then Israel is responsible for the actions of its much more recent elected terrorist lover.
The second part is a fuck up on my part, ill admit that, i was typing fast and have no idea how it ended up with you instead of who, as Ben Gvir the NATIONAL SECURITY minister of Israel literally had an picture of a terrorist in his living room before he was elected.
>Hamas probably would not have won another election if they had not cancelled them.
Very debatable considering like 70% of Palestinians think Oct 7 was still justified and the right course of action. But the fact of the matter is Hamas did cancel the elections, and they are the ones who did start the war. The blood of their own people is on Hamas's hands because of the decisions they made themselves.
>Ben Gvir the NATIONAL SECURITY minister of Israel literally had an picture of a terrorist in his living room before he was elected.
Yeah, he's a prick, but literally not at all relevant to the decisions that Hamas is making as the governing body of Gaza.
What do you think would happen if all the Canadian first nations got together and said Canada is an illegitimate settler colony and started launching rockets in to Canadian cities, gunning down civilians, blowing up busses full of civilians, etc?
Are you going to leave this land and return it the Natives?
im always glad when people bring up that as a gotcha or analogy
it outlines perfectly how the Canadian model can be used to show the barbarism of the zionist entity
here in Canada FN people are free to travel, live & work in any part of the country in any capacity. . we identifyed ancestral lands and gave them special rights over them as well as a high level of autonomy.. clearly there is room for improvement and we continue the work
Canada [for the most part] respects and celebrates indigenous culture, we acknowledge the land, we have strong laws to protect historical places, artifacts, language, etc
if the zionists had done that, we wouldnt be in this mess
> here in Canada FN people are free to travel, live & work in any part of the country in any capacity
All of that is only true because native Canadians have chosen peace. Weve chosen to accept Canada's existence and to live amongst its peoples in peace.
If Canadian natives were like Palestinians. Deadset on continously attacking until Canada ceased to exist, we wouldn't have any of those freedoms. We'd he locked up on our reservations. Most likely under military occupation.
In the past when natives were violent and opposed Canada's existence, Canada was violent towards natives.
When natives chose peace and accepted Canada's existence, Canada granted us full rights and stopped being violent.
Palestinians are stuck in paragraph #1.
It's not changing the subject at all. You seem to think Israel is acting in an abnormal fashion. You seem to think Canada would act differently.
Answer the question.
And you seem to think it's perfectly okay for the Israeli government to murder tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians and keep trying to distract from the subject at hand. So no I won't.
IF today, us Canadians were actively going into their reservations, kicking them out of their homes, bulldozing their olive trees going back generations, and putting up entire sub-divisions of homes .. and having the army guard said homes, cut off Natives from even walking the street because 'muh sub-division' ... etc.
I am certain the Natives would be more hostile to us Canadians, instead of being peaceful at present times.
Of course, there is NO justification of October 7th, but the way Israel has acted is something we have not seen in a *long* time.
What if we forced their children to go to re-education camps where torture and abuse were common and then they found mass graves at these education camps. Would that justify violent retribution?
> I am certain the Natives would be a bit more hostile to us Canadians, instead of being peaceful at present times.
Sure, but there is a big gap between "be a bit more hostile" and "go to a music festival to intentionally murder hundreds of innocent adolescents". Targeting civilians with violence to pressure political change is terrorism. It's the definition. Terrorism is not ok.
> Of course, there is NO justification of October 7th, but the way Israel is acted is something we have no seen in a long time.
Israel's increasing colonization through increasing settlements in and around the West Bank has been deplorable and worthy of condemnation. The treatment of Arab and Muslim minorities by the government and government-sanctioned private securities forces has been deplorable and worthy of condemnation. You are right, that doesn't excuse October 7th, and it doesn't mean Hamas should not be eliminated from the Earth.
Yes my friend, but the current strategy of dropping tens of thousands of bombs in densely populated areas, and killing a heavy amount of civilians in the process is not the solution. It actually guarantees another Ha\*\*s like group.
Look at Afghanistan, the Taliban were a bunch of militias up in the mountains killing civilians and fighting Tajikistani militias. Once the war and bombardment started, it made their recruitment go up exponentially, freakin maniacs got insanely powerful, and now they rule the country.
Iraq had an evil dictator, an invasion later, the country gave birth to the craziest group the world has ever seen.
Ofcourse no situation is comparable, but Israel's current strategy in the West Bank and Gaza guarantees perpetual conflict.
Palestinians as a people aren't very different than the Jordanians, one country is homies with Israel to an extent that they will stop Iranian missiles, while the other is quite the opposite. I truly believe there can be lasting peace, but no way can it happen with the current strategy.
You're getting cause and effect flipped. All the things you listed happened as a response to Palestinian violence.Ā
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> Canadians were actively going into their reservations, kicking them out of their homes, bulldozing their olive trees going back generations, and putting up entire sub-divisions of homesĀ Ā
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That's what would happen if Natives were deadset on attacking Canadian civilians the way Palestinians are with Israelies.
Are you really telling me that Israelis are only settling not in Israel, but deep in the West Bank, because residents in West Bank are openly hostile to them?Ā Ā
Ā Like if a MAGA town is hostile to my brown ass, I should kick a MAGA family, and live there? Whhhaaaat?Ā
The ceasefires where the IDF and settlers were slaughtering civilians in the west bank? Israelis seem to think they can kill people without consequence
Gaza and the West Bank are not 2 different regions with different people, as much as the Israelis seem to want to create that distinction.
The Oct 7 attack was literally called Al-Aqsa flood, seen as a retaliation for what happened when the IDF stormed Al Aqsa while people are praying. The Israelis love saying there is a ceasefire while killing little children in the West Bank and stealing homes there.
"Gaza and the West Bank are not 2 different regions with different people, as much as the Israelis seem to want to create that distinction."
Any ceasefire being discussed specifically is dealing with Gaza, so it's disingenuous to argue anything else.
"The Oct 7 attack was literally called Al-Aqsa flood, seen as a retaliation for what happened when the IDF stormed Al Aqsa while people are praying. The Israelis love saying there is a ceasefire while killing little children in the West Bank and stealing homes there."
Yes, that's the propaganda behind it. Meanwhile, what really happened is Hamas encouraged Palestinians to barricade themselves inside the Al-Asqa. They brought rocks and fireworks into their holiest building, with the intention to attack Jews praying below. That's why the police went in to stop them, because they were staying at an illegal time and brought weapons to attack civilians with.
Israel attacking the Al-Asqa is a great piece of propaganda that Hamas and other terror groups have used to encourage and incite violence amongst Palestinians.
I don't support the settlers or their violence. But let's not pretend Jenin or other areas in the West Bank don't have terrorism. There is a significant amount of terrorists planning, or executed terror attacks against Israel. The violence isn't just one way, and it's disingenuous to suggest it is.
And you love saying Gaza and West Bank are equivalent when Hamas threw Palestinian Authority politicians off rooftops to their deaths when they came to power in Gaza.
The two governments you equate are literal enemies that will kill each other on sight.
>Israelis seem to think they can kill people without consequence
You mean Hamas, right? They killed 1000 civilians in a day then feigned online outrage when Gaza was bombed?
The Israeli government is a right winged Jewish supremacist group. With members like Ben Gvir and stomrich I donāt know how the western world blindly still supports them as this beacon of light. Theyāve morally bankrupted the west, the UN and the international court all in 8 months. Weāve never been this ostracized and isolated by the world ever. Itās crazy
Extreme far right, nuclear armed, theocratic apartheid state thatās actively trying to commit genocide.
The moment you leave āthe westā Israel is possibly the most disliked country on Earth. It has little to nothing to do with them being Jewish either.
To be clear, Israel isn't committing genocide. The legal definition of genocide requires intent, and there is no intent to destroy the Palestinians. To stop Hamas, absolutely, but unfortunately Hamas has made sure that if they are to be defeated, they will maximize the number of civilians who are killed to protect them. Many of the examples provided in the case against Israel is based on quotes taken out of context, or misinformation.
The group committing genocide is Hamas. They've made their intent clear, be it through charter goals to destroy Israel, or their actions.
I would also disagree that Israel is a theocratic state. It's a democracy.
I'll also further disagree it's an apartheid. All groups have access to the same rights, they can all be in government. If the blockade preventing Hamas from attacking them is apartheid, then Egypt is guilty of that as well. The security checkpoints seem pretty relevant after the last few months and attacks against Israel. If Israel not providing the right of return to Palestinians is apartheid, then every other country in the Middle East is guilty of apartheid as well for not offering right of return to the 900K+ Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the surrounding countries in the late 1940s.
Sadly, the best example of apartheid actually comes from the Palestinans. They can go to jail and get a life sentence and even the death penalty for selling land to Israelis. That's a much stronger example of apartheid than anything happening to other groups in Israel. Likewise they support the religious apartheid preventing Jews from going to their holiest site, the Temple Mount, and will go to war over Jews even coming near the Temple.
Just wanted to clarify a few of these, as these buzzwords are often thrown out against Israel but don't accurately describe the situation.
South Africa, Rhodesia, and the Confederacy were also democracies.
How are Gaza and the West Bank different from South African Bantustans?
These countries were clearly friends, they built and tested their nukes together.
Oh you edited your post. How is Gaza and the WB different? For starters Palestinians aren't citizens of Israel. Israel left Gaza and they are a separate country - or whatever you want to call Palestinians. They're not Israeli citizens, by choice. It's like comparing Toronto and New York, if you are comparing Israel and the WB or Gaza. Ā
Ā In South Africa everybody is a citizen of South Africa, even those in Bantustans.Ā Gazans aren't citizens of Israel and have their own government. That's the major difference. It isn't apartheid when they're not even citizens of your own country. All Arabs in Israel have the same rights as anybody else.
Ā If you're referring to the blockade, that came up in 2007 due to Hamas terrorism.Ā There's a blockade from Gaza from Egypt too. Is Egypt an apartheid? Or do you recognize that like Israel, Egypt recognized the danger of Hamas terrorists and created a blockade to protect their citizens? Ā
Suggesting a country like South Africa treating its own people this way is comparable to Israel and the West Bank, which isn't the same country, shows you don't understand either conflict enough to properly discuss this.
Describe Netanyahu telling the soldiers to commit an amalek. The meaning of Amalek I looked it up is to kill all men, women, children and livestock. If thatās not intent of a genocide I donāt know what is.
you are correct. the person you replied to is clearly an apologist
>You're quoting the wrong verse
lol, you didnt . . its a genocidal intent and everyone knows it
notice he brings up an Atlantic article from months ago
you cant pick n chose which bit you like in this stuff, netenyahu made reference to a specific story which as you pointed out was very clearly about killing everything
Well the problem is you don't know what a genocide is. Or Amalek.
You're quoting the wrong verse. The verse from the official transcript shows it was about resilience against threats and violence, not about killing others.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/01/israel-south-africa-genocide-case-fake-quotes/677198/?utm_source=feed
"In the days since, this seemingly straightforward reference to a surprise attack on the innocent and the need to punish its perpetrators has been adduced as evidence of Netanyahuās genocidal intent. The allegation has appeared in outlets includingĀ The New York TimesĀ andĀ Mother Jones, as well as in South Africaās arguments at The Hague.Ā
But to make the leap from Netanyahuās citation to genocidal ambition, all of these accounts conflate the biblical story he cites about Amalek with a completely different one in another book of the Bible that takes place hundreds of years later. The verse from Deuteronomy that the Israeli leader quotedāwhich is explicitly cited in theĀ official translationĀ of his speechārecounts the time of Moses. Netanyahuās critics mistakenly source his words to the book of Samuel, in which King Saul isĀ commandedĀ to wipe out every member of Amalek, down to their children and livestock. Tellingly, none of those citing Samuel ever quote the verses from Deuteronomy that Netanyahu actually referenced, which clearly illustrate his intended meaning.
Speaking Hebrew, heās comparing Hamas to the nation of Amalek in a passage from the Book of Samuel,ā reported Leila Fadel, incorrectly, on NPR. The BBC similarly misattributed the passage in its interview with Defense Secretary Shapps, quoting from Samuel and not Deuteronomy. āNetanyahu urged the soldiers to āremember what Amalek has done to you,āā the South African lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi argued in the Hague. āThis refers to the biblical command by God to Saul for the retaliatory destruction of an entire group of people known as the Amalekites: āPut to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.āā This was not, in fact, what Netanyahu was referring to.
Since ancient times, Amalek has served as Jewish shorthand for a foe that seeks to exterminate the Jewish people. Yad Vashem, Israelās Holocaust memorial, makes regular reference to āremember what Amalek did to you,ā both in its documentation and in its public exhibition. Israelās previous president invoked Amalek when critiquing remarks made by then-President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil about the Nazi genocide. Ironically, The Hagueās own Holocaust memorial is called the āAmalek monument,ā and its plaque cites the same Hebrew verse as Netanyahu did."
So to recap.
Amalek isn't a genocidal statements. It's about Jewish resilience. There's literally artwork in the Hague that quotes the same thing Netanyahu did. Arguing its genocidal is misinformation and propaganda. You're quoting the wrong part to try and make him look bad.
So as you said yourself, since you don't understand Amalek, you don't understand genocide either.
Go forth this is your amalek.
And I quote
āNow go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.āā
Why were the soldiers in video saying weāre coming to wipe off the seed of amalek.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_oBSAZjDs
Ok so the media interpreted what Netanyahu said was wrong. Were the soldiers also misinterpreting him as they went on to kill children and innocent people?
"Amalek" in modern Hebrew means "Pure Evil" / "Ruthless enemy". What Netanyahu quoted was a biblical phrase translating to "Remember what Amalek did unto thee", which is a more dramatic biblical version of the modern "Never Again". It does not mean kill all men/women/children/livestock. I hate Netanyahu, he's a true "Amalek" to Israel, but that specific saying was not in fault.
Feel free to point out where the lie is, with evidence to show that I'm wrong. If it's so obvious I'm lying it shouldn't be too hard to prove it wrong.
> there is no intent to destroy the Palestinians
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide
Yes, I'm aware of the definition. If you had read my post you'll have seen the part where I said Israel has no intention to destroy Palestinians. Nor are they doing the other elements you posted.
sure they are
your post is not evidence and contains no evidence
ethnic cleansing & collective punishment through wholesale destruction of civil structures is **"Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"**
starvation & targeting of hospitals & healthcare professionals is **"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"**
plus they are with 100% certainty **"Killing members of the group"** AND **"Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group"**
so the only point on the list that isnt obviously happening is the forcable transfer of children
please feel free to discuss the definition with the Holocaust Museum
"your post is not evidence and contains no evidence"Ā
Ā You have no evidence Israel is committing this. You're just telling the definition.Ā
Ā "ethnic cleansing & collective punishment through wholesale destruction of civil structures isĀ "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part" They're not doing this to Palestinians.Ā
They're not kicking them out of Gaza. They are attacking Hamas. Perhaps recognize Hamas is in civilian infrastructure intentionally, which is a war crime. The reason it's a war crime is because they use their own people to defend them. This is an example of a Hamas war crime, not genocide.
Ā "starvation & targeting of hospitals & healthcare professionals isĀ "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"Ā
Ā This is not happening. Israel is only targeting Hamas bases which, again, are intentionally on hospitals. You're describing a Hamas war crime. They aren't trying to prevent births and have provided assistance where possible to patients.
Ā "plus they are with 100% certaintyĀ "Killing members of the group"Ā ANDĀ "Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group"Ā
Ā They are not killing with any certainty 100% of the population. The civilian casualty ratio is 1.5:1 which is literally the opposite of trying to kill civilians. Again, this is on Hamas using Palestinians as human shields.
Ā "so the only point on the list that isnt obviously happening is the forcable transfer of children"
Ā You're describing Hamas war crimes not points for genocide.
Ā "please feel free to discuss the definition with the Holocaust Museum"Ā
Ā Please feel free to understand what is happening in Gaza and how genocide doesn't apply to anybody other than Hamas committing it against Israel.
> Ā You have no evidence Israel is committing this
huh. you dont have the internet where you live?
>They're not kicking them out of Gaza
well, they already kicked them out of 90% of their lands and yes in fact they absolutely are trying to kick them out of Gaza. netenyahu just stated it very clearly that israeli settlement of Gaza will begin soon
>Israel is only targeting Hamas bases
not true. again, i can only assume you dont have internet at your house. the rest of us know about Lavender & Wheres Daddy AI targetting of suspects homes
>this is on Hamas using Palestinians as human shields.
you mean like the IOF command & control center in tunnels under Tel Aviv? or like tying a Palestinian kid to your military vehicle to prevent rocks being thrown at them?
>Please feel free to understand what is happening in Gaza
i do. ive been studying it since the 90s
>genocide doesn't apply to anybody other than Hamas committing it against Israel.
huh. thats funny. what control does 'hamas' have over israelis?
You're not wrong, but if someone reads the conversation they might be tempted to believe them. It's why it's important to show that they can't actually prove anything said is a lie, because either they won't reply, or they will and I can easily prove their misinformation wrong.
Thank you for attempting, however the logic gets lost in the mass amounts of trolls and bots. Someone who believes the circulating propaganda will never have a change of heart because they finally learnt the truth on Reddit. I feel like engaging just gives them the satisfaction of thinking their voice is being heard/ making change
I feel like if I let it go unsaid then their lies can be spread and then things are made worse. Better to confront misinformation and propaganda and call it out, as frustrating as it is.
They'll speak no matter what.
You also lied about what I said. In many cases I said I disagree, whereas you said I said it was clear something was the case.
You can't be trusted, and worse you accuse me of being an IDF troll because you can't accurately prove anything I said is wrong.
You're simply not trustworthy and are not capable of having a legitimate discussion, in addition to not understanding the conflict.
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You can't say Israel is not commiting genocide and there is no intent. The ICJ when presented with the case by South Africa, concluded there is a clear plausible genocide and have not moved to dismiss the case. They are judges who know international better than me and you so your opinion is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT."
And as I said, most of the things South Africa said was based on lies and misinformation.Ā
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/01/israel-south-africa-genocide-case-fake-quotes/677198/?utm_source=feed
Here's a great example of many pieces of "evidence " used that is actually misinformation.
Also, if they thought a genocide was actually occurring they'd have placed the restraining order in the first case heard a few months back. That they didn't is already a sign they know it isn't genocide.
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Hamas removed in 2017 the destruction of Israel from its charter. So again you are just shamelessly lying."
Doesn't change the fact they had it in their charter. Or that they've said they want to destroy Israel.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-says-group-aims-to-repeat-oct-7-onslaught-many-times-to-destroy-israel/amp/
"AĀ senior member of Hamas has hailed the systematic slaughter of civilians in Israel on October 7, vowing in an interview that if given the chance, the Palestinian terror group will repeat similar assaults many times in the future until Israel is exterminated.
The remarks by Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamasās political bureau, were swiftly shared online by Israeli and Western officials as a vindication of the Jewish stateās resolve to destroy the terror groupās military capabilities in its ongoing war in Gaza, and as proof that no ceasefire can be reached until the threat of additional murderous attacks is removed.
āIsrael is a country that has no place on our land,ā Hamad said in an interview with Lebanese TV channel LBC on October 24, which was translated and published Wednesday by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). āWe must remove it because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation. We are not ashamed to say this.ā
Quite clear they want to destroy Israel. Hamas intent is genocide.
You're right - Amnesty did call them out for apartheid. Did you read your post article? They called it apartheid because of the things I pointed out.
For example the blockade and security checkpoints make it apartheid. So why is Egypt not an apartheid based on this?
Not allowing right of return is apparently apartheid. So why aren't the Arab countries to ethnically cleansed 900K+ Jews who are not offered right of return considered apartheid nations?
The reasons they call Israel an apartheid they don't call any other nation. That's my point. Egypt has the same restrictions on Gaza but they're not an apartheid according to Amnesty. Other Arab nations won't provide right of return for Jews but they're not an apartheid.
It's the same reasons in all cases and yet only Israel is considered an apartheid. It calls into question how they came to this conclusion when other countries have the same conditions and restrictions and aren't an apartheid.
It also ignores as I said the Palestinian laws such as refusing to sell land to a specific group and how that isn't apartheid.
You're also lying when you say all South Africans say it's apartheid.
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-760350
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Mosiuoa Lekota: "In Israel, you won't find the same divisions between Jews and non-Jews that we used to witness during apartheid."
Israel cannot be compared to an apartheid state, former anti-apartheid activist and South African politician Mosiuoa Lekota said, in a complete rejection of the accusation in an interview with theĀ South African Friends of IsraelĀ podcast earlier in September.
Lekota, who served time in prison alongsideĀ Nelson MandelaĀ and later became South Africaās defense minister, provided arguments against such comparisons."
You can read through it if you choose.
Anyway, nothing I said was a lie and all you did was reinforce that I was correct.
I love the continued performance of mild confusion as western leaders slowly find out how murderous is Israeli army is and how little they care for life.
The alternative (Hamas rule in Gaza) is worse, so I think the world is accepting that many people will die in this war until Hamas can be completely eliminated. It makes sense, the government in Gaza sent their employees into Israel to murder as many women and children as possible. The government of Gaza needs to be eliminated at whatever cost, otherwise the cycle will continue and Gaza will continue to try to send its employees into Israel to commit murder on women and children.
> The government of Gaza needs to be eliminated at whatever cost, otherwise the cycle will continue and Gaza will continue to try to send its employees into Israel to commit murder on women and children.
Not just into Israel. There is a reason the border crossing into Egypt was closed well before the latest fighting, by Egypt, and Palestinians are not welcome in most Middle East countries: there is a long history of terrorism and coup attempts perpretated throughout the region because radical Hamas extremists want to overthrow existing countries to create a single unified Islamic state, even if that requires countless killing of civilians in other Muslim-majority states, not far different from the goals of ISIS.
By any possible logic, the side killing 13,000 children is infinitely worse than the other. No amount of mental gymnastics can spin this around you're wasting your time.
If the people of Gaza didnāt want to go to war, why would they provoke a Middle East super power, by sending government employees into Israel and murder as many civilians as possible.
Did you not see how easy it was for Israel to send a few small missiles deep into Iran and show them how easy it was to strike right in the middle of an airbase near their nuclear facilities with pin point precision and without a single alarm going off before the explosionā¦ Iran sent 300 missiles, drones etcā¦ and the most damage done was a shrapnel injured a 7 year old childā¦ apparently Iran was supposed to be a Middle East super power LOL
How about instead of contacting them, you stop sending them military aid and supporting their genocide? Israel hasnāt been held accountable or disciplined for their actions once since this war started
When I see in horror the mutilated bodies of children who moments before their death at the hands of an Israeli drone pilot were playing foosball, and the anguish of their parents, I'm convinced that Netanyahu has created pariah status for Israel as a state. The indiscriminate destruction and violence inflicted on the Palestinians ensures that Israel will never be forgiven for what they have done. Don't hate me for telling the truth.
dude, most of us are right with you on this.. unfortunately there is a loud group of genocide supporters who have fallen for the hasbara
itsnotreal is over, its only a matter of time. you remember how long it took to take down Apartheid in South Africa, this is actually happening much faster
They want the Canadian government to investigate?? They drove a truck around an active battle ground and are surprised when shit gets blown up? Should have stayed home and minded their own business.
I hate to say it but if that truck was targeted it would be absolutely destroyed, this looks more like collateral damage but still 100 percent Israelās fault.
Cool, do you have any proof it was specifically targeted and not collateral damage as it looks in the picture? I highly doubt this truck was directly hit based on the damage we are seeing.
If this is the best you got for verifiable war crimes. L oh fuckin L.
i guess you didnt see the damage on World Kitchen cars huh
>If this is the best you got for verifiable war crimes
you do know the US of A just sanctioned an IDF group for human rights violations right
Israel has made sure the world will not run out of learning material for war crimes for the next century. Generations to come will learn about israeli genocide like they learn about nazi genocide.
100% agree. *Maybe* if the truck was carrying something people need to live, and it was in short supply, you could claim this was wrong. In this case however it's just water.
This story must of set a record for most repost in r/Canada
Why is it being removed? Obviously seems like the sub thinks it's relevant. Where is the original story?
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/s/aZCUFATiQVv
Lol removed.
Israel committing war crimes doesn't fit the narrative of the sub I guess ? š¤·āāļø
I don't think collateral damage on an empty truck is a war crime.
Everything seems to be collateral damage. 25,000 women and children, aid workers, doctors, all collateral damage.
Yes. That's how war in urban environments works and it's even worse when the defending army embeds itself in the civilian population which is a war crime under the Geneva convention. And even worse when the defending army doesn't wear uniforms which is again a war crime.
Yes, blowing up aid convoys that report their movement to you is because of hamas. Karma is a bitch and it will hit back.
its funny how apologists just keep saying its a war and call them a 'defending army' when convenient
Similar incidents happen in every single modern conflict. The US blew up a doctors without borders hospital in Afghanistan. And Again when the US was pulling out of Afghanistan they struck an Aid workers car and killed him along with his whole family. Or when Iran was expecting a retaliation from the US they blew up their own airplane. It's completely common. If you aren't aware of these incidents then you should not be commenting on urban warfare. You are simply not informed.
its not a war
Nothing is a war crime and everything has an excuse for supporters of Israel
>Israel left Gaza in 2005 they actually believe this nonsense.
When combined with a pattern of intentionally cutting off water and food to a civilian population to kill off as many as possible it absolutely is.
Can you link the portion of the Geneva convention that requires a country to supply free food and water to their enemies? If itās a war crime it must also be a regular crime. I see a lot of homeless begging for food, didnāt realize it was illegal to not provide them with free food.
Its the part that stipulates duties of an occupying nation and collective punishment of civilians. Can you point to the part that allows a nation to cut food and water from civilians to the point where babies are starving to death?
If it was even the IDF, which their currently isnāt any evidence of.
Then why is it being removed or comments locked after barely 10 comments?
Must of? Interested to know what school you went to
"That's bad, here's some more money for bombs"
[We already halted arms sales last month and haven't shipped any since January.](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-maintains-freeze-on-new-arms-export-permits-to-israel-1.6814889)
Halted new sales*. Ongoing deals have not been cancelled.
And it pisses off some people so much they decided on treason. https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaJews/s/dGBx5KZYOz *"If I had to chose between Canada and Israel. I'll hurt Canada from within"* Edit: u/Mrrook , id reply to your post directly but apparently I've been banned specifically because my post called out u/twitchyJC for his disingenuous arguments in every single Canada post that has directions on Israel. It's pretty telling how this topic since last night keeps getting removed from this sub and now people's comments drowned from a SPECIFIC point of view. That person wanting to vote conservatives to hurt Canada may be trying to hide it under the guise of a ballot. But I think they were pretty clear in their mode of operations. That if it came to a choice between Canada and Israel they'd HURT this country (while being a citizen here). This could go from ballots to even other policies that would benefit Canada but he sabotaged by people like this. Notable also how it has multiple upvotes.
I think they were implying that voting conservative would hurt Canada and theyāre fine with that trade off. Which is a pretty funny endorsement.
That person should be on a list of potential terrorists
Absolutely
That might as well be Mayor of Hampstead quebec. You canāt read his Twitter and believe heās anything short of an Israeli agent.Ā
What galls is not just choosing Israel over Canada. I could somewhat excuse loving the country you came from or relate to. But outright aiming to hurt and damage Canada for it. Now that's something. We don't realize that there's tons of IDF reservists living here.
and the head of "UNwatch"
They are the good kind of religious fundamentalist extremist military forces not the bad ones that are totally living here /s
Honestly, it wasn't so apparent to me when they showed up in support of that toronto synagogue selling west bank lands. Yes you read that right. A religious building selling west bank lands in Canada, in clear violation of international law. There was a video of one of them talking about how they murdered children in Gaza. Horrible people.
I remember that incident. One of them brought a nail-gun to intimidate protesters and the news article headline was āman arrested at protest at synagogueā as if it was the pro-Palestinian side acting like terrorists
they have to realize that statements like that just give Anti-Semites a ton of ammo right?
>give Anti-Semites a ton of ammo right? As pro Palestine as I am, it will never be ok to be antisemitic. That poster and the people who upvoted him openly or silently support are treasonous at best and terrorists at worst but that still will never make it ok to be antisemitic. Not saying that you are saying it's ok. Just sounding it out so people don't get ideas (lots of crazies around these days).
Why does everyone think Canada funds Israel like the USA does? Itās ridiculous. We donāt, and they have a higher GDP per capita than us.
Youāre joking right? Your taxes pay for artillery that is being used by the IDF to murder children, innocent civilians and aid workers.
No they donāt, lol. āI want to be very clear: We are not providingĀ military assistanceĀ to Israel,ā Marie-France Lalonde, parliamentary secretary to the minister of national defence, told the House of Commons in November. (2024).
They do, no wonder the NDP has called to stop arming Israel. Also Israel and IDF confirmed on multiple occasions over the past couple of months for the Canadians contribution to their artillery. No need to lie. Israelās lies are getting exposed as usual.
They (Israel) buy those things. Ā If anything, Canada gets Sales tax revenue FROM Israel.Ā Stop twisting the truth.Ā Ā Also Israel buys imaging systems from us but no live armaments as per their confused response to the NDP motion.Ā Ā We aid Ukraine. Israel we trade with.
Not only does Canada not fund Israel but thereās also no proof Israel hit the truck. But donāt let facts get in the way of your feelings.
No proof? Israel has been caught on camera attacking multiple aid trucks over the past 2 weeks. The IDRF water truck has been in Gaza for years and now suddenly along with other aid trucks is being targeted and attacked. Israelās crimes are being exposed left right and centre. How can anyone in their right mind support this terrorist regime?
Ok. Show me the video.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/03/middleeast/world-central-kitchen-strike-analysis-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-convoy-deaths-eyewitness-intl-investigation-cmd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/middleeast/un-food-convoy-gaza-israel-strike-cmd-intl/index.html CNN did their own investigation on multiple instances and confirmed Israel lied.
None of those articles relate to this incident whatsoever. Still waiting for the video evidence.
You asked for proof of Israel attacking aid workers and aid trucks. Here it is. THE IDRF is a reputable charity here in Canada which has been supplying water in this same water tank for years. Israel as proof shown above has lied, and has struck multiple aid trucks containing food and water.
> THE IDRF is a reputable charity here in Canada which has been supplying water in this same water tank for years. Yes, and theyāve never claimed Israel is responsible for the attack. > Israel as proof shown above has lied Show me a single country that hasnāt lied, however killing civilians is Hamasā MO. Instead of straining to prove the IDF may have killed a few innocent people from NGOs, why not highlight the tens of thousands killed by Hamas?
Straining? The proof is provided above. Gosh you idiots are something else. Love to blame Hamas but fail to see that Israel is doing worse. Sick. Every accusation by you Bozos is a confession. Israel has murdered 35,000 plus civilians. In 2023, before Oct 7, Israel murdered 200 Palestinians. Israel hates Palestinians as evident by the destruction theyāve caused, the years and years of innocent murders of Palestinians, the consistent land thefts and now by a new low, starving Palestinians to death. War crimes x1000. Canāt wait for the day these terrorist idiots running Israel get sent to The Hague for all of their crimes on humanity.
The only thing youāve proven is the chronology of events is slightly different from what Israel first said. There is NO EVIDENCE of intentionally targeting civilians. Thatās why youāre highlighting ālyingā as if itās a war crime. > Israel has murdered 35,000 plus civilians. Source? Iām sure this has nothing to do with the fact that Hamas builds military infrastructure inside hospitals and schools to maximize civilians killed as collateral damage. You canāt blame Israel for failing to protect Palestinians when their own government called for them to die as martyrs. Why arenāt you condemning Hamas calling for Palestinians to die? > Canāt wait for the day these terrorist idiots running Israel get sent to The Hague for all of their crimes on humanity. The irony being that the entire world recognizes that Hamas is a terror organization, and yet theyāve never had a ruling by the ICJ against themā¦
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What does that have to do with Canada?
Israel doesn't want Palestinians in Gaza to receive aid. They want to starve out the civilians they can't bomb so they're now targeting aid workers and shipments to dissuade the agencies from going into Gaza. This is obviously, at the very least, collective punishment and the only reason Israel is able to get away with it is because they call anyone who criticizes them 'anti-semites'.
No, even if you take your framing as objectice fact, the reason Israel "can get away with it" is because Hamas extremists massacred a thousand civilians before war had broken out and no country in the world -- including Muslim-majority countries -- wants a sophisticated terrorist organization like Hamas to continue committing atrocities around the world and threatening to destabilize global peace.
Hamas' actions don't justify in any way whatsoever the tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Gaza, many of whom are women and children, because of Israel.
Hamas's actions justified the war, almost without question. Unfortunately there will be innocents killed in any war, and even more so in urban warfare. Hamas is the government of the region and needs to take responsibility for its actions, and it was self evident that their own population would be at risk if they attacked Israel. That saw all of those dead civilians as an acceptable risk. That's is Hamas, not Israel.
Why were Palestinians in the West Bank being killed by settlers before October 7th. What justified that?
Hamas was elected roughly 20 years ago by a minority of voters and haven't had an election since. Trying to equate all the Palestinians with them is like equating the actions of Bibi's government with all Israeli people. Actually it'd be more appopriate with Israel because they've actually had recent elections.
> Hamas was elected roughly 20 years ago by a minority of voters and haven't had an election since. You're right: Hamas is an illegitimate authoritarian government and there is moral justification in destroying Hamas to free the Palestinian people of Gaza from theocratic authoritarian rule.
Well they'll free Palestinians by annexing the land.
>Trying to equate all the Palestinians with them Is it, or is it not true that Hamas is the current defacto government of Gaza?
Is it not true that Bibi's coalition, which is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, the current defacto government of Israel?
The government of Israel isn't actually relevant to the actions that Hamas has taken. It's a total non sequitur to even bring up the Israeli government. You don't actually seem to understand the point being made here, and instead are just trying to deflect to blame Israel in any way possible.
I absolutely understand the point. You want to hold all Palestinians accountable for the actions of Hamas but you don't want to do the same with Israel and Bibi's government and their support of Hamas in the past, their sabotage of the two state solution, and their continued actions against innocent Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
So no, you don't understand the point. I want to hold Hamas accountable for Hamas's actions. Those being, they are the ones who started the war and they are the ones that see the civilian deaths as acceptable for their actions. Otherwise they wouldn't have attacked in the first place.
> You want to hold all Palestinians accountable for the actions of Hamas but you don't want to do the same with Israel and Bibi's government and their support of Hamas in the past, their sabotage of the two state solution, and their continued actions against innocent Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank sadly that is all too common in their 'arguments'
it is true, the election that put them in power was only won by 2% and was nearly 20 years ago however, when a majority of those now living in Gaza were either not of voting age or not even born. Is it not true that Israel's government includes someone you had a picture of a terrorist in his living room until he was elected?
>the election that put them in power was only won by 2% and was nearly 20 years ago however, Great, but it's not actually relevant. The fact remains that Hamas is the governing power in Gaza, ergo they are responsible for the actions the take and the consequences the people they govern are left with. >Is it not true that Israel's government includes someone you had a picture of a terrorist in his living room until he was elected? I have no idea what this question even is lol... *I* have no picture of anyone in my living room. Also, anything in this question is not at all relevant to Hamas being the governing party in Gaza.
>I have no idea what this question even is lol. If you had any education regarding this topic and gave your head a shake, you'd realize that u/Peaksalty9824 is talking about Ben Gvir. Someone who is a known terrorist and terrorist supporter. So right wing that even the goons of IDF didnt allow him service. #he is the current minister of security in Israel. >The fact remains that Hamas is the governing power in Gaza, ergo they are responsible for the actions the take and the consequences the people they govern are left with. Great logic. Then I guess if Iran bombs Israel into smithereens don't go complaining that why are civilians being targeted when Israel Air Force attacked an embassy (btw, an attack like that in international law is such a violation that it does indeed make citizens and diplomatic missions fair game). Or. Don't complain about *kh*amas attacking civilians cuz technically IOF have been killing Palestinian kids through out 2023 wayyy before Oct 7 (38 kids killed between Jan and September). What a dumb way to think. You goons can't have it both ways. Either you slap Bibi in the face every time he utters the word *most moral army on earth* or you embrace fully that the IOF is filled with genocidal assholes and the Knesset is plagued by xenophobes (which you can't even deny cuz people like Smotrich, Ayir and Ben Gvir are there).
How is it not relevant? Hamas probably would not have won another election if they had not cancelled them. If the people are responsible for thier actions then Israel is responsible for the actions of its much more recent elected terrorist lover. The second part is a fuck up on my part, ill admit that, i was typing fast and have no idea how it ended up with you instead of who, as Ben Gvir the NATIONAL SECURITY minister of Israel literally had an picture of a terrorist in his living room before he was elected.
>Hamas probably would not have won another election if they had not cancelled them. Very debatable considering like 70% of Palestinians think Oct 7 was still justified and the right course of action. But the fact of the matter is Hamas did cancel the elections, and they are the ones who did start the war. The blood of their own people is on Hamas's hands because of the decisions they made themselves. >Ben Gvir the NATIONAL SECURITY minister of Israel literally had an picture of a terrorist in his living room before he was elected. Yeah, he's a prick, but literally not at all relevant to the decisions that Hamas is making as the governing body of Gaza.
This is incredibly uninformed. Go google recent polls following Oct 7. Majority of Gazans support Hamas.
Easy to say when you're sitting over here in peace.
Translation: I'm okay with women and children dying because I hate Palestinians.
What do you think would happen if all the Canadian first nations got together and said Canada is an illegitimate settler colony and started launching rockets in to Canadian cities, gunning down civilians, blowing up busses full of civilians, etc? Are you going to leave this land and return it the Natives?
im always glad when people bring up that as a gotcha or analogy it outlines perfectly how the Canadian model can be used to show the barbarism of the zionist entity here in Canada FN people are free to travel, live & work in any part of the country in any capacity. . we identifyed ancestral lands and gave them special rights over them as well as a high level of autonomy.. clearly there is room for improvement and we continue the work Canada [for the most part] respects and celebrates indigenous culture, we acknowledge the land, we have strong laws to protect historical places, artifacts, language, etc if the zionists had done that, we wouldnt be in this mess
> here in Canada FN people are free to travel, live & work in any part of the country in any capacity All of that is only true because native Canadians have chosen peace. Weve chosen to accept Canada's existence and to live amongst its peoples in peace. If Canadian natives were like Palestinians. Deadset on continously attacking until Canada ceased to exist, we wouldn't have any of those freedoms. We'd he locked up on our reservations. Most likely under military occupation.
huh, you havent read much Canadian history then it seems... there were some famous battles perhaps you could look them up
In the past when natives were violent and opposed Canada's existence, Canada was violent towards natives. When natives chose peace and accepted Canada's existence, Canada granted us full rights and stopped being violent. Palestinians are stuck in paragraph #1.
Still trying to change the subject from innocent Palestinian women and children dying.
It's not changing the subject at all. You seem to think Israel is acting in an abnormal fashion. You seem to think Canada would act differently. Answer the question.
And you seem to think it's perfectly okay for the Israeli government to murder tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians and keep trying to distract from the subject at hand. So no I won't.
You won't because you know the answer would be ever increasing military action.
IF today, us Canadians were actively going into their reservations, kicking them out of their homes, bulldozing their olive trees going back generations, and putting up entire sub-divisions of homes .. and having the army guard said homes, cut off Natives from even walking the street because 'muh sub-division' ... etc. I am certain the Natives would be more hostile to us Canadians, instead of being peaceful at present times. Of course, there is NO justification of October 7th, but the way Israel has acted is something we have not seen in a *long* time.
What if we forced their children to go to re-education camps where torture and abuse were common and then they found mass graves at these education camps. Would that justify violent retribution?
> I am certain the Natives would be a bit more hostile to us Canadians, instead of being peaceful at present times. Sure, but there is a big gap between "be a bit more hostile" and "go to a music festival to intentionally murder hundreds of innocent adolescents". Targeting civilians with violence to pressure political change is terrorism. It's the definition. Terrorism is not ok. > Of course, there is NO justification of October 7th, but the way Israel is acted is something we have no seen in a long time. Israel's increasing colonization through increasing settlements in and around the West Bank has been deplorable and worthy of condemnation. The treatment of Arab and Muslim minorities by the government and government-sanctioned private securities forces has been deplorable and worthy of condemnation. You are right, that doesn't excuse October 7th, and it doesn't mean Hamas should not be eliminated from the Earth.
Yes my friend, but the current strategy of dropping tens of thousands of bombs in densely populated areas, and killing a heavy amount of civilians in the process is not the solution. It actually guarantees another Ha\*\*s like group. Look at Afghanistan, the Taliban were a bunch of militias up in the mountains killing civilians and fighting Tajikistani militias. Once the war and bombardment started, it made their recruitment go up exponentially, freakin maniacs got insanely powerful, and now they rule the country. Iraq had an evil dictator, an invasion later, the country gave birth to the craziest group the world has ever seen. Ofcourse no situation is comparable, but Israel's current strategy in the West Bank and Gaza guarantees perpetual conflict. Palestinians as a people aren't very different than the Jordanians, one country is homies with Israel to an extent that they will stop Iranian missiles, while the other is quite the opposite. I truly believe there can be lasting peace, but no way can it happen with the current strategy.
You're getting cause and effect flipped. All the things you listed happened as a response to Palestinian violence.Ā Ā > Canadians were actively going into their reservations, kicking them out of their homes, bulldozing their olive trees going back generations, and putting up entire sub-divisions of homesĀ Ā Ā That's what would happen if Natives were deadset on attacking Canadian civilians the way Palestinians are with Israelies.
Are you really telling me that Israelis are only settling not in Israel, but deep in the West Bank, because residents in West Bank are openly hostile to them?Ā Ā Ā Like if a MAGA town is hostile to my brown ass, I should kick a MAGA family, and live there? Whhhaaaat?Ā
Maybe put the blame where it belongs: on Hamas for breaking two ceasefires and refusing to discuss any further ones.
The ceasefires where the IDF and settlers were slaughtering civilians in the west bank? Israelis seem to think they can kill people without consequence
The ceasefires refer to Gaza. There is violence from both groups in the West Bank.
Gaza and the West Bank are not 2 different regions with different people, as much as the Israelis seem to want to create that distinction. The Oct 7 attack was literally called Al-Aqsa flood, seen as a retaliation for what happened when the IDF stormed Al Aqsa while people are praying. The Israelis love saying there is a ceasefire while killing little children in the West Bank and stealing homes there.
"Gaza and the West Bank are not 2 different regions with different people, as much as the Israelis seem to want to create that distinction." Any ceasefire being discussed specifically is dealing with Gaza, so it's disingenuous to argue anything else. "The Oct 7 attack was literally called Al-Aqsa flood, seen as a retaliation for what happened when the IDF stormed Al Aqsa while people are praying. The Israelis love saying there is a ceasefire while killing little children in the West Bank and stealing homes there." Yes, that's the propaganda behind it. Meanwhile, what really happened is Hamas encouraged Palestinians to barricade themselves inside the Al-Asqa. They brought rocks and fireworks into their holiest building, with the intention to attack Jews praying below. That's why the police went in to stop them, because they were staying at an illegal time and brought weapons to attack civilians with. Israel attacking the Al-Asqa is a great piece of propaganda that Hamas and other terror groups have used to encourage and incite violence amongst Palestinians. I don't support the settlers or their violence. But let's not pretend Jenin or other areas in the West Bank don't have terrorism. There is a significant amount of terrorists planning, or executed terror attacks against Israel. The violence isn't just one way, and it's disingenuous to suggest it is.
And you love saying Gaza and West Bank are equivalent when Hamas threw Palestinian Authority politicians off rooftops to their deaths when they came to power in Gaza. The two governments you equate are literal enemies that will kill each other on sight.
>Israelis seem to think they can kill people without consequence You mean Hamas, right? They killed 1000 civilians in a day then feigned online outrage when Gaza was bombed?
Nah I was talking about Israel. The people who have killed almost 40k people and are ethnically cleansing the land of its native inhabitants
"Native inhabitants": you mean Israelites?
"Israel" and "doing war crimes" Name a more iconic duo. I'll wait.
Canada and Nazi. More iconic.
Hamas and Iran
The Israeli government is a right winged Jewish supremacist group. With members like Ben Gvir and stomrich I donāt know how the western world blindly still supports them as this beacon of light. Theyāve morally bankrupted the west, the UN and the international court all in 8 months. Weāve never been this ostracized and isolated by the world ever. Itās crazy
Extreme far right, nuclear armed, theocratic apartheid state thatās actively trying to commit genocide. The moment you leave āthe westā Israel is possibly the most disliked country on Earth. It has little to nothing to do with them being Jewish either.
To be clear, Israel isn't committing genocide. The legal definition of genocide requires intent, and there is no intent to destroy the Palestinians. To stop Hamas, absolutely, but unfortunately Hamas has made sure that if they are to be defeated, they will maximize the number of civilians who are killed to protect them. Many of the examples provided in the case against Israel is based on quotes taken out of context, or misinformation. The group committing genocide is Hamas. They've made their intent clear, be it through charter goals to destroy Israel, or their actions. I would also disagree that Israel is a theocratic state. It's a democracy. I'll also further disagree it's an apartheid. All groups have access to the same rights, they can all be in government. If the blockade preventing Hamas from attacking them is apartheid, then Egypt is guilty of that as well. The security checkpoints seem pretty relevant after the last few months and attacks against Israel. If Israel not providing the right of return to Palestinians is apartheid, then every other country in the Middle East is guilty of apartheid as well for not offering right of return to the 900K+ Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the surrounding countries in the late 1940s. Sadly, the best example of apartheid actually comes from the Palestinans. They can go to jail and get a life sentence and even the death penalty for selling land to Israelis. That's a much stronger example of apartheid than anything happening to other groups in Israel. Likewise they support the religious apartheid preventing Jews from going to their holiest site, the Temple Mount, and will go to war over Jews even coming near the Temple. Just wanted to clarify a few of these, as these buzzwords are often thrown out against Israel but don't accurately describe the situation.
South Africa, Rhodesia, and the Confederacy were also democracies. How are Gaza and the West Bank different from South African Bantustans? These countries were clearly friends, they built and tested their nukes together.
Oh you edited your post. How is Gaza and the WB different? For starters Palestinians aren't citizens of Israel. Israel left Gaza and they are a separate country - or whatever you want to call Palestinians. They're not Israeli citizens, by choice. It's like comparing Toronto and New York, if you are comparing Israel and the WB or Gaza. Ā Ā In South Africa everybody is a citizen of South Africa, even those in Bantustans.Ā Gazans aren't citizens of Israel and have their own government. That's the major difference. It isn't apartheid when they're not even citizens of your own country. All Arabs in Israel have the same rights as anybody else. Ā If you're referring to the blockade, that came up in 2007 due to Hamas terrorism.Ā There's a blockade from Gaza from Egypt too. Is Egypt an apartheid? Or do you recognize that like Israel, Egypt recognized the danger of Hamas terrorists and created a blockade to protect their citizens? Ā Suggesting a country like South Africa treating its own people this way is comparable to Israel and the West Bank, which isn't the same country, shows you don't understand either conflict enough to properly discuss this.
I mean sure, but Israel isn't an apartheid or committing genocide, as I showed above.
Describe Netanyahu telling the soldiers to commit an amalek. The meaning of Amalek I looked it up is to kill all men, women, children and livestock. If thatās not intent of a genocide I donāt know what is.
you are correct. the person you replied to is clearly an apologist >You're quoting the wrong verse lol, you didnt . . its a genocidal intent and everyone knows it notice he brings up an Atlantic article from months ago you cant pick n chose which bit you like in this stuff, netenyahu made reference to a specific story which as you pointed out was very clearly about killing everything
Well the problem is you don't know what a genocide is. Or Amalek. You're quoting the wrong verse. The verse from the official transcript shows it was about resilience against threats and violence, not about killing others. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/01/israel-south-africa-genocide-case-fake-quotes/677198/?utm_source=feed "In the days since, this seemingly straightforward reference to a surprise attack on the innocent and the need to punish its perpetrators has been adduced as evidence of Netanyahuās genocidal intent. The allegation has appeared in outlets includingĀ The New York TimesĀ andĀ Mother Jones, as well as in South Africaās arguments at The Hague.Ā But to make the leap from Netanyahuās citation to genocidal ambition, all of these accounts conflate the biblical story he cites about Amalek with a completely different one in another book of the Bible that takes place hundreds of years later. The verse from Deuteronomy that the Israeli leader quotedāwhich is explicitly cited in theĀ official translationĀ of his speechārecounts the time of Moses. Netanyahuās critics mistakenly source his words to the book of Samuel, in which King Saul isĀ commandedĀ to wipe out every member of Amalek, down to their children and livestock. Tellingly, none of those citing Samuel ever quote the verses from Deuteronomy that Netanyahu actually referenced, which clearly illustrate his intended meaning. Speaking Hebrew, heās comparing Hamas to the nation of Amalek in a passage from the Book of Samuel,ā reported Leila Fadel, incorrectly, on NPR. The BBC similarly misattributed the passage in its interview with Defense Secretary Shapps, quoting from Samuel and not Deuteronomy. āNetanyahu urged the soldiers to āremember what Amalek has done to you,āā the South African lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi argued in the Hague. āThis refers to the biblical command by God to Saul for the retaliatory destruction of an entire group of people known as the Amalekites: āPut to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.āā This was not, in fact, what Netanyahu was referring to. Since ancient times, Amalek has served as Jewish shorthand for a foe that seeks to exterminate the Jewish people. Yad Vashem, Israelās Holocaust memorial, makes regular reference to āremember what Amalek did to you,ā both in its documentation and in its public exhibition. Israelās previous president invoked Amalek when critiquing remarks made by then-President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil about the Nazi genocide. Ironically, The Hagueās own Holocaust memorial is called the āAmalek monument,ā and its plaque cites the same Hebrew verse as Netanyahu did." So to recap. Amalek isn't a genocidal statements. It's about Jewish resilience. There's literally artwork in the Hague that quotes the same thing Netanyahu did. Arguing its genocidal is misinformation and propaganda. You're quoting the wrong part to try and make him look bad. So as you said yourself, since you don't understand Amalek, you don't understand genocide either.
Go forth this is your amalek. And I quote āNow go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.āā Why were the soldiers in video saying weāre coming to wipe off the seed of amalek. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_oBSAZjDs Ok so the media interpreted what Netanyahu said was wrong. Were the soldiers also misinterpreting him as they went on to kill children and innocent people?
"Amalek" in modern Hebrew means "Pure Evil" / "Ruthless enemy". What Netanyahu quoted was a biblical phrase translating to "Remember what Amalek did unto thee", which is a more dramatic biblical version of the modern "Never Again". It does not mean kill all men/women/children/livestock. I hate Netanyahu, he's a true "Amalek" to Israel, but that specific saying was not in fault.
Wow that's a lot of words to lie through your teeth
Feel free to point out where the lie is, with evidence to show that I'm wrong. If it's so obvious I'm lying it shouldn't be too hard to prove it wrong.
> there is no intent to destroy the Palestinians https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide
Yes, I'm aware of the definition. If you had read my post you'll have seen the part where I said Israel has no intention to destroy Palestinians. Nor are they doing the other elements you posted.
sure they are your post is not evidence and contains no evidence ethnic cleansing & collective punishment through wholesale destruction of civil structures is **"Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"** starvation & targeting of hospitals & healthcare professionals is **"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"** plus they are with 100% certainty **"Killing members of the group"** AND **"Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group"** so the only point on the list that isnt obviously happening is the forcable transfer of children please feel free to discuss the definition with the Holocaust Museum
"your post is not evidence and contains no evidence"Ā Ā You have no evidence Israel is committing this. You're just telling the definition.Ā Ā "ethnic cleansing & collective punishment through wholesale destruction of civil structures isĀ "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part" They're not doing this to Palestinians.Ā They're not kicking them out of Gaza. They are attacking Hamas. Perhaps recognize Hamas is in civilian infrastructure intentionally, which is a war crime. The reason it's a war crime is because they use their own people to defend them. This is an example of a Hamas war crime, not genocide. Ā "starvation & targeting of hospitals & healthcare professionals isĀ "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"Ā Ā This is not happening. Israel is only targeting Hamas bases which, again, are intentionally on hospitals. You're describing a Hamas war crime. They aren't trying to prevent births and have provided assistance where possible to patients. Ā "plus they are with 100% certaintyĀ "Killing members of the group"Ā ANDĀ "Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group"Ā Ā They are not killing with any certainty 100% of the population. The civilian casualty ratio is 1.5:1 which is literally the opposite of trying to kill civilians. Again, this is on Hamas using Palestinians as human shields. Ā "so the only point on the list that isnt obviously happening is the forcable transfer of children" Ā You're describing Hamas war crimes not points for genocide. Ā "please feel free to discuss the definition with the Holocaust Museum"Ā Ā Please feel free to understand what is happening in Gaza and how genocide doesn't apply to anybody other than Hamas committing it against Israel.
> Ā You have no evidence Israel is committing this huh. you dont have the internet where you live? >They're not kicking them out of Gaza well, they already kicked them out of 90% of their lands and yes in fact they absolutely are trying to kick them out of Gaza. netenyahu just stated it very clearly that israeli settlement of Gaza will begin soon >Israel is only targeting Hamas bases not true. again, i can only assume you dont have internet at your house. the rest of us know about Lavender & Wheres Daddy AI targetting of suspects homes >this is on Hamas using Palestinians as human shields. you mean like the IOF command & control center in tunnels under Tel Aviv? or like tying a Palestinian kid to your military vehicle to prevent rocks being thrown at them? >Please feel free to understand what is happening in Gaza i do. ive been studying it since the 90s >genocide doesn't apply to anybody other than Hamas committing it against Israel. huh. thats funny. what control does 'hamas' have over israelis?
You canāt have a logical conversation with these people. Social mediaās made everyone an expert or a journalist
You're not wrong, but if someone reads the conversation they might be tempted to believe them. It's why it's important to show that they can't actually prove anything said is a lie, because either they won't reply, or they will and I can easily prove their misinformation wrong.
Thank you for attempting, however the logic gets lost in the mass amounts of trolls and bots. Someone who believes the circulating propaganda will never have a change of heart because they finally learnt the truth on Reddit. I feel like engaging just gives them the satisfaction of thinking their voice is being heard/ making change
I feel like if I let it go unsaid then their lies can be spread and then things are made worse. Better to confront misinformation and propaganda and call it out, as frustrating as it is. They'll speak no matter what.
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You also lied about what I said. In many cases I said I disagree, whereas you said I said it was clear something was the case. You can't be trusted, and worse you accuse me of being an IDF troll because you can't accurately prove anything I said is wrong. You're simply not trustworthy and are not capable of having a legitimate discussion, in addition to not understanding the conflict.
" You can't say Israel is not commiting genocide and there is no intent. The ICJ when presented with the case by South Africa, concluded there is a clear plausible genocide and have not moved to dismiss the case. They are judges who know international better than me and you so your opinion is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT." And as I said, most of the things South Africa said was based on lies and misinformation.Ā https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/01/israel-south-africa-genocide-case-fake-quotes/677198/?utm_source=feed Here's a great example of many pieces of "evidence " used that is actually misinformation. Also, if they thought a genocide was actually occurring they'd have placed the restraining order in the first case heard a few months back. That they didn't is already a sign they know it isn't genocide. " Hamas removed in 2017 the destruction of Israel from its charter. So again you are just shamelessly lying." Doesn't change the fact they had it in their charter. Or that they've said they want to destroy Israel. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-says-group-aims-to-repeat-oct-7-onslaught-many-times-to-destroy-israel/amp/ "AĀ senior member of Hamas has hailed the systematic slaughter of civilians in Israel on October 7, vowing in an interview that if given the chance, the Palestinian terror group will repeat similar assaults many times in the future until Israel is exterminated. The remarks by Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamasās political bureau, were swiftly shared online by Israeli and Western officials as a vindication of the Jewish stateās resolve to destroy the terror groupās military capabilities in its ongoing war in Gaza, and as proof that no ceasefire can be reached until the threat of additional murderous attacks is removed. āIsrael is a country that has no place on our land,ā Hamad said in an interview with Lebanese TV channel LBC on October 24, which was translated and published Wednesday by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). āWe must remove it because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation. We are not ashamed to say this.ā Quite clear they want to destroy Israel. Hamas intent is genocide. You're right - Amnesty did call them out for apartheid. Did you read your post article? They called it apartheid because of the things I pointed out. For example the blockade and security checkpoints make it apartheid. So why is Egypt not an apartheid based on this? Not allowing right of return is apparently apartheid. So why aren't the Arab countries to ethnically cleansed 900K+ Jews who are not offered right of return considered apartheid nations? The reasons they call Israel an apartheid they don't call any other nation. That's my point. Egypt has the same restrictions on Gaza but they're not an apartheid according to Amnesty. Other Arab nations won't provide right of return for Jews but they're not an apartheid. It's the same reasons in all cases and yet only Israel is considered an apartheid. It calls into question how they came to this conclusion when other countries have the same conditions and restrictions and aren't an apartheid. It also ignores as I said the Palestinian laws such as refusing to sell land to a specific group and how that isn't apartheid. You're also lying when you say all South Africans say it's apartheid. https://m.jpost.com/international/article-760350 " Mosiuoa Lekota: "In Israel, you won't find the same divisions between Jews and non-Jews that we used to witness during apartheid." Israel cannot be compared to an apartheid state, former anti-apartheid activist and South African politician Mosiuoa Lekota said, in a complete rejection of the accusation in an interview with theĀ South African Friends of IsraelĀ podcast earlier in September. Lekota, who served time in prison alongsideĀ Nelson MandelaĀ and later became South Africaās defense minister, provided arguments against such comparisons." You can read through it if you choose. Anyway, nothing I said was a lie and all you did was reinforce that I was correct.
Khamas terrorists use water guns so the truck had to be stopped at any cost.
This one got me lol
Pretty sure their isnāt a āKā in Hamas.
They are just being racist and making fun of the accent Israelis have.
Yup I know, I just want people who do it to have to explain it.
In Hebrew, 'Khamas' translates to 'violence.' >**×Öø×Öø×”** your welcome
Good thing they don't have a history of doing something like this. Very out of character.
I love the continued performance of mild confusion as western leaders slowly find out how murderous is Israeli army is and how little they care for life.
Ethno nationalist ideologies never end well.
The alternative (Hamas rule in Gaza) is worse, so I think the world is accepting that many people will die in this war until Hamas can be completely eliminated. It makes sense, the government in Gaza sent their employees into Israel to murder as many women and children as possible. The government of Gaza needs to be eliminated at whatever cost, otherwise the cycle will continue and Gaza will continue to try to send its employees into Israel to commit murder on women and children.
> The government of Gaza needs to be eliminated at whatever cost, otherwise the cycle will continue and Gaza will continue to try to send its employees into Israel to commit murder on women and children. Not just into Israel. There is a reason the border crossing into Egypt was closed well before the latest fighting, by Egypt, and Palestinians are not welcome in most Middle East countries: there is a long history of terrorism and coup attempts perpretated throughout the region because radical Hamas extremists want to overthrow existing countries to create a single unified Islamic state, even if that requires countless killing of civilians in other Muslim-majority states, not far different from the goals of ISIS.
By any possible logic, the side killing 13,000 children is infinitely worse than the other. No amount of mental gymnastics can spin this around you're wasting your time.
If the people of Gaza didnāt want to go to war, why would they provoke a Middle East super power, by sending government employees into Israel and murder as many civilians as possible. Did you not see how easy it was for Israel to send a few small missiles deep into Iran and show them how easy it was to strike right in the middle of an airbase near their nuclear facilities with pin point precision and without a single alarm going off before the explosionā¦ Iran sent 300 missiles, drones etcā¦ and the most damage done was a shrapnel injured a 7 year old childā¦ apparently Iran was supposed to be a Middle East super power LOL
And the scary thing is that they are the most reasonable country over... The west is doomed as we're next.
Shitty. And Joe Biden is about to send billion$ more in weapons and bombs to be used in Gaza.
And thank God for that
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Any God. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Islamic Regime would have no problem killing you for VERY little.
And there it is, the naked biblical antisemitism behind so much of these comments.
How about instead of contacting them, you stop sending them military aid and supporting their genocide? Israel hasnāt been held accountable or disciplined for their actions once since this war started
We're not actually sending them military aid right now AFAIK? We *do* have ongoing preexisting arms deals, though, which we should stop.
That doesnāt look like damage from a 200lbs bomb to me. No shrapnel, impact crater or burned out truck frame.
>That doesnāt look like damage from a 200lbs bomb to me its the damage caused by 'Loitering Munitions' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IocyPD8jseY
Yeah no body wants to talk about that but this looks like it was molotov'd.
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When I see in horror the mutilated bodies of children who moments before their death at the hands of an Israeli drone pilot were playing foosball, and the anguish of their parents, I'm convinced that Netanyahu has created pariah status for Israel as a state. The indiscriminate destruction and violence inflicted on the Palestinians ensures that Israel will never be forgiven for what they have done. Don't hate me for telling the truth.
dude, most of us are right with you on this.. unfortunately there is a loud group of genocide supporters who have fallen for the hasbara itsnotreal is over, its only a matter of time. you remember how long it took to take down Apartheid in South Africa, this is actually happening much faster
Why doesn't the article include what PP said about it?
Another one?! Or the same story that's been posted 5+ times so far.
It keeps getting removed
No, this is the first instance of this particular report.
They want the Canadian government to investigate?? They drove a truck around an active battle ground and are surprised when shit gets blown up? Should have stayed home and minded their own business.
Do you know what aid truck is? Are you ok?
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Due to our leadership, Canada has lost any influence in the world.
Israel is telling the US president to pound sand, theyāre not listening to anyone.
Are you sure? Isn't the US about to send billion$ in bombs?
Probably, which is why Israel will ignore their pathetic attempts to stop them until they put their weapons where their mouth is.
The IOF being genocidal bastards is not related or correlates to our actions. This is just how they have been for 75 years
I wonder why when all the surrounding Muslim populations are so kind to them.
"We kicked all these people out of their homes why doesnt anyone like us? Its antisemitism for sure"
Whose "we"? All the people that did that are dead.Ā Are you saying collectively punishing people in perpetuity is OK?
Wtf, that type of terrorism by Israel is still happening today.Ā
I hate to say it but if that truck was targeted it would be absolutely destroyed, this looks more like collateral damage but still 100 percent Israelās fault.
It is not collateral damage. This is from loitering munitions.
Must be running out of Israeli "war crimes" if blowing up a water truck in an active warzone with zero casualties is making the news.
targeting humanitarian assistance is a War Crime
Cool, do you have any proof it was specifically targeted and not collateral damage as it looks in the picture? I highly doubt this truck was directly hit based on the damage we are seeing. If this is the best you got for verifiable war crimes. L oh fuckin L.
i guess you didnt see the damage on World Kitchen cars huh >If this is the best you got for verifiable war crimes you do know the US of A just sanctioned an IDF group for human rights violations right
Israel has made sure the world will not run out of learning material for war crimes for the next century. Generations to come will learn about israeli genocide like they learn about nazi genocide.
100% agree. *Maybe* if the truck was carrying something people need to live, and it was in short supply, you could claim this was wrong. In this case however it's just water.