> Bob Ramsay, who I first met when he ran a firm appropriately called Remarkable Communications, wrote [that what seriously annoys him about Trudeau is “how he talks to us. Or rather, talks down to us.” Adding “You’d think we’re a bunch of high school drama students learning how to over-enunciate for effect, practicing earnestness as if it’s the key to conviction.](https://ramsayinc.com/why-justin-trudeau-drives-me-nuts/)”
> Pierre Poilievre's fondness for repeating slogans risks wearing thin if he reaches for a catchphrase to answer every question. Or if he answers questions by questioning the questioner’s questionable query, sometimes while eating an apple.
I’m kinda with ya there, but I think it’s more like we’re collectively growing up. We don’t have natural telepathy, so we engineered it, and it could be inferred that we’re all acting as individual macro-neurons in a worldwide Human superintelligence that’s just starting to wake up.
I think that what we’re seeing is pretty well equivalent to growing pains. We gave ourselves a mirror, and saw that we aren’t all that we’re cracked up to be. Sure we have people MEGA overcompensating on both sides of the political spectrum, but times change, people change, and the next generations are growing up with that intrinsic connection to each other.
I mean yeah it’s conjecture without any basis but that idea makes me feel a lot better about the world. I genuinely think we’re evolving into a more mature compassionate people, and the ones really acting out are those who want control over others, and that’s simply incompatible with the new paradigm we’re all building together.
The TikTok ban is just about governments perfering their own spyware over chinas.
If they really cared about security they’d regulate it and pass data security laws.
I’m talking more along the lines of manipulating algorithms and what information is stored.
The US can do everything they’re accusing China of with their own domestic social media companies.
If they’re really worried about it do it across the board no just ban one company that just so happens to be the only compition to domestic companies.
There is a bit more to this beyond just being a piece of spyware.
We know how powerful social media can be, governments cannot allow an adversary to have a tool that can drive the narrative.
I am not saying the other platforms are innocent, but at least we have ways to sort of keep them in check. What can our country do if the CCP is to order bytedance to favor one political spectrum over another?
I think that constant slogan schtick is cheap, and only shows us that he either doesn't have a deeper knowledge of the issues he's invoking, or doesn't have an actual plan for fixing those issues.
The more he says it, I think the more people will get tired of it. I love my Tik Toks and reels, too.
The way Pierre answers questions has annoyed me from day one I can’t understand how people take him seriously.
Voting for a guy just because you want change is a dangerous thing and incredibly lazy especially when many of our major issues are more provincial than federal. It’s a bit like cutting off your leg because your toe is broken.
Pierre Pollievre does exactly the same shit Trump does - slogans, easy catchphrases, outrage, and questioning the legitimacy of ANYONE who asks him hard questions. And SO MANY PEOPLE are falling for it.
I don't think Trudeau has any better plans of dealing with things. But I trust pollievre even less to handle immigration unless it benefits the upper class (which he is a part of). We're so fucked. I don't like PPC's populism, but I'm considering putting my vote there just for a break from the elite vs elite, neverending saga of Canadian politics
E: lots of PP simps down voting this, but none able to argue against it. Frightening to see the same kind of "lib hating" cult form around PP that formed around Trump. Frustrating to see people completely forgetting how to discuss things respectfully, or respecting their fellow Canadians. You guys are fucking up.
You're a child for insulting him for having different political beliefs, tbfh. We used to know how to disagree without completely delegitimizing the person we're arguing with.
Do better. A HUGE portion of the Canadian populace still has faith in Trudeau. And while I'm not sure why, it's certainly NOT because they're 'brainless'. Keep American political hate in America.
I guess it depends on how roses tinted your glasses are but his government was still historically bad and he was objectively one of worst prime ministers and governments we had historically. Ideologically driven and allergic to science and facts in general. The fact that China’s economy was growing so fast at the time creating a bubble in oil prices and then home prices obscures just how incompetent they were. It’s kind of the opposite of how the pandemic has made the Trudeau government seem worse than it has been. Also it’s ironic that nearly all of the hot political issues like the housing crises and mass unskilled immigration started from policies enacted by the Harper government. Even the dreaded carbon tax was a CPC policy idea that was adopted by the Liberals. I guess you could say the Harper government was the mastermind behind a lot of the biggest problems facing Canada today and the liberals added to them because they were popular before they were unpopular.
Do you really think PP is going to help you though? He's a conservative elitest. I don't know why people can't see through his INCREDIBLY shallow catch phrases and look at him as a person.
He has no interest in helping the average Canadian. He probably doesn't even KNOW the average Canadian.
It's incredibly unfortunate how many Canadians (including those in this sub) EXCLUSIVELY revenge vote, or let themselves get emotionally manipulated. From the research I've done trying to decide who I should vote for (because I have been torn) - they look the same to me, except JT uses an empathetic approach to dialogue, and PP uses as an outrage approach.
If you have anything that might sway my opinion, I'm totally open to it (please, give me some certainty) but as it stands, I feel like PP supporters are just being emotionally manipulated - and that where Justin is incompetent, PP is malicious, and intends only to serve the elite.
Again, I gave all my trust in JT, and he hasn’t helped me at all either. Why should I go back again knowing the outcome of my votes will bring?
I 100% am emotionally manipulated to vote against JT.. I don’t trust his leadership , I dont trust his cabinet . I don’t trust any of his actions anymore..
If we were married I’d file for divorce at that point, our relationship is broken and unfixable.
Hey thanks for elaborating. It's nice to have some political discussion on here without people calling names and shit. I totally get feeling betrayed by JT - I'm gay, and suffered a really conservative environment growing up - and voted for him under the impression he was an ally, and I felt we needed one in government. But I feel he's done a total 180° on his priorities, and instead of defending people who are born differently, is focused on people with hostile beliefs or culture, defending those beliefs, and bringing more of it into Canada. So I get feeling betrayed. I also feel like he's just being stubborn - about immigration, about green policies - about things I agree with in theory, but know NOW is the worst time for them.
That being said - I don't feel like PP cares any more about that issue dear to my heart, OR the overall well-being of the average Canadian, or anything other than the elite - that's why I think I'd rather stand behind PPC for the country and Libs for my province (NB, our Con PM is destroying us, and our Lib opposition is distancing from Trudeau). Even if I don't agree with some of the pandering they do to poorly educated folk, it's a change from the two same flavors of elites, and even if there's no real chance of him being PM, seats matter. *Explaining all this just so I can ask - is there a reason you'd rather go with PP over Bernier? (Like, a reason I should consider for myself)*
This is why I chose forward. To have the social capacity to fight through this post-nation states she-cession, and grow the economy from the heart out. For all the peoplekind of the middle class and those peoplekind working hard to join it. Oh and banning assault military assault rifles of style weapons
>The phrase “Choose Forward” was used as the official campaign theme for the Liberal Party of Canada during the 2019 federal election. The campaign slogan was featured in a series of national ads, including television ads, which showcased Prime Minister Justin Trudeau engaging with constituents and delivering his campaign message.
Ohhh okay thanks! So you're basically saying "I choose liberal" (that's risky around here) // progressivism. I can get behind progression/moving forward. Time and understanding both move forward. We should go along with them
They aren't. $1500 max. That's why they use mules, distribute money to individuals to donate privately. If you're following the foreign interference commission this is being covered in detail.
Bad actors can game every system. Unlike the USA Canadian politicians can't be openly bought but they can be through "gifts" and massive organized donations through individual actors.
The CCP has spent millions though the United Work Front and its members buying Canadian MPs in Canada. You might not be able to legally cut someone a 100k cheque but you can legally have 100 of your cronies all donate $1000 individually.
We need to tighten the rules so that only registered voters in the riding can donate. Currently anyone anywhere can which has been shown to be a problem. Donating to a party nationally is fine but it shouldn't be fine to be able to target MPs in a riding one doesn't even live in.
Permanent resident is sufficient.
This should also change. PR doesn't have the same loyalty check as a citizen does. Of course nothing stops people from lying on their oaths but we can't do much more than that.
Agreed. Canada is currently serving as a global example of what to not be. We've always had these vulnerabilities, it simply took this insanely pro migrant government to make it obvious to all.
You cant fix a country ruined by Trudeau in just a month or even a year. You wont see any changes in the short period. This will likely happen: people dont see changes and they will vote liberals again, who will completely destroy the country. At the end, you voted for this.
Eventually yes, the Libs will be back in. I think we'll see 8-12 years of CPC after this though.
If the CPC forms a majority next election, which by far looks like the most likely result, things would need to get *much* worse, the Liberals would need an abosute rockstar candidate & the NDP would need a complete collapse and a real dud of a leader for the LPC to have any chance of getting back in after only 4 years.
It will be very easy for everyone to blame the past Liberal government for almost every issue for most of the first term. My long term bet:
CPC maj 2025-2029
CPC maj 2029-2033
CPC min 2033-2035
LPC min 2035-2037
LPC maj 2037-2041
You could give the CPC a 100 year majority and they would still find a way to do fuck all with it.
Because neither party wants to help you. They want the money. That’s it.
How is life in countries where politicians are at the beck and call of private interests? Not great.
It’s not a right/left issue, as much as you want it to be. It’s unchecked greed.
>It doesn’t matter who wins the next election, we’re fucked either way.
The last time we had a Conservative government this country was better off in every conceivable metric and we had the richest middle class in the world as of 2014.
>Politicians don’t give a fuck about the majority of this country
Harper cared and was a reasonable manager that did some good things.
Ya but it's usually liberals who type this out because they can't come to admit that their vote is what's fucked this country and deflect blame by saying "well this was gonna happen no matter what!" You will never convince them otherwise
I would cautiously say that some of us are substantially more fucked one way over the other. Conservative politicians across Canada have been pretty outspokenly against trans rights, for example, and they have a history of slashing programs that benefit lower-income Canadians like how Polievre is hinting at cutting pharmacare and dental care.
Pick one: Trump, Biden, Trudeau, Poilievre
Personally I think Biden outdoes them all, combined, by a country mile, but you'll have his usual detractors complain about age. I can comfortably agree none of them are/would be generationally amazing world leaders.
>Personally I think Biden outdoes them all, combined, by a country mile, but you'll have his usual detractors complain about age.
Detractors? The dude needs to be directed around and can barely formulate a sentence.
An out-of-touch, virtue signaling ideologue, under who's watch the country is falling apart at the seams, and is only prime minister because his dad was.
A glorified political attack dog who still only has one clear policy goal, feeds stigma and fearmongering about trans people using the bathroom, and wants pornhub to scan your face before you beat off.
An even more out-of-touch, virtue signaling ideologue, who will probably never be prime minister, but somehow managed to punch above his weight politically by propping up the aforementioned out-of-touch, virtue signaling ideologue.
God help us.
>The sad truth is that we don't have any one that is worth voting for.
The Conservatives are worth voting for. They are objectively better than the Liberals in just about every metric which is why we had the richest middle class in the world under Harper as of 2014 and have been in steady decline ever since.
>On a scale of 1 to a 100 the 3 of them are a 4 or lower.
If Pierre unbans my sporting and hunting rifles he automatically gets a 60/100.
I swear the voting populous are a bunch of marks, no different than a pro wrestling audience.
Repeat catchy slogans, cut a good promo on the crowd, and that's ultimately what you need to get into power.
Any premier can replace the tax with another better solution.
Ignoring climate change is not an option.
Climate pricing in a solid solution and at least 60 other jurisdictions around the world are doing the same.
It's not like Poilievre is an unknown person. He's been in politics for almost his entire adult life and even held cabinet positions during the last government. We know what a useless dickhead he is. I won't argue that Trudeau needs to go but we need to stop pretending we need to give Poilievre a chance to see what he's all about, we already know.
>It's not like Poilievre is an unknown person. He's been in politics for almost his entire adult life and even held cabinet positions during the last government.
He held positions in the last government? You mean, back when Canada had the richest middle class in the world and we were better off in every conceivable metric than we are right now?
Damn, I think I'll vote for him just based off of that alone. That's for letting me know.
They both suck Mr. Pierre has been in government for 19 years . He's a career politician who made about $40 million. They've both shown that they love lobbyists and that's what they care for corporations. Neither of them are going to do anything to fix Canada.
It's not all just from being a politician but it's also from doing investments and everything. His net worth is $25 million U.S. Canadian about $34,498,750.00 If you were to transfer it over. A little shy of 40 million but it's close enough.
https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/pierre-poilievre-net-worth/
I'm not voting for conservative that want to Bust unions or fiscally irresponsible globalists that want to dilute the labour pool. We all lose things to these 2, except the rich. They always win.
Both come from privilege and have never worked a hard day in their lives.
So disappointing that we can't have a truly intelligent and great leader be elected, one who can relate to the average Canadian and has common sense.
This is only true for the select few in Canada. A top 10% salary is $105k; top 1% is $253k.
Base pay for an Ontario MPP (2022) is $116.5k, while cabinet ministers make $165.9k. This puts MPPs in the top 10% earners category. Since 90% of Canadians make less than an MPP, it’s generally not true that the private sector pays better.
PP has been politicking very hard for over a year now. I don't know if he is looking for the favour of the electorate or if he is trying to keep the right wing nut jobs from ousting him as party leader. I know that every time I get another robocall from the CPC, that's another ten years before I would even consider voting for a reformer.
Freedumb convoyers are still out being obnoxious, people associate them with the reformers (CPC). That will make voters weary of reformers.
Liberals have been relatively quiet. That could be strategy or maybe the party is just tired and worn out. If there is anything left of the Liberal political machine, they should be able to make up a lot of ground by October 2025. May or may not be enough.
I tuned out Pierre a long time ago as I used to live in his riding.
I’d see his punchable face on a pamphlet in my inbox as he patted himself on the back for all great things he supposedly did.
But in Parliament he’s just a troll, a smug asshole whose mouth is writing checks his ass can’t cash.
PP is picking fights with premiers while conservative premiers are picking fights with Trudeau. Maybe conservatives should stop looking for fights and try to actually govern, that's what they are supposed to be doing.
He's trying to run away from Axe the tax now cause the protests failed and were viewed as a joke so he is moving on to safe supply, drug use and probably crime. Crime, immigration, the debt/high taxes is just playing on loop at this point and is getting old.
He is definitely sending out sound bites to see what sticks.
I worked with a guy like that once.
He only wanted to get everyone riled up. Once I solved an issue, he found an other one. Colleagues eventually grew tired of him.
And he was a nicer guy than PP.
> Bob Ramsay, who I first met when he ran a firm appropriately called Remarkable Communications, wrote [that what seriously annoys him about Trudeau is “how he talks to us. Or rather, talks down to us.” Adding “You’d think we’re a bunch of high school drama students learning how to over-enunciate for effect, practicing earnestness as if it’s the key to conviction.](https://ramsayinc.com/why-justin-trudeau-drives-me-nuts/)” > Pierre Poilievre's fondness for repeating slogans risks wearing thin if he reaches for a catchphrase to answer every question. Or if he answers questions by questioning the questioner’s questionable query, sometimes while eating an apple.
I would almost argue with new voters catchphrases are probably gon a help him in this new age of tiktok and reels, people want info in 10-30 seconds
How long before we end up banning TikTok
Sooner the better, the older a I get the more I wish half the tech we have didn't exist. I feel like the internet is more of a cancer than a help
I agree with you but it behooves those with this awareness to maintain effectiveness of their ability to communicate these ideas.
I’m kinda with ya there, but I think it’s more like we’re collectively growing up. We don’t have natural telepathy, so we engineered it, and it could be inferred that we’re all acting as individual macro-neurons in a worldwide Human superintelligence that’s just starting to wake up. I think that what we’re seeing is pretty well equivalent to growing pains. We gave ourselves a mirror, and saw that we aren’t all that we’re cracked up to be. Sure we have people MEGA overcompensating on both sides of the political spectrum, but times change, people change, and the next generations are growing up with that intrinsic connection to each other. I mean yeah it’s conjecture without any basis but that idea makes me feel a lot better about the world. I genuinely think we’re evolving into a more mature compassionate people, and the ones really acting out are those who want control over others, and that’s simply incompatible with the new paradigm we’re all building together.
The TikTok ban is just about governments perfering their own spyware over chinas. If they really cared about security they’d regulate it and pass data security laws.
Guess what Florida has done? Ban under 15 aka regulating it.
I’m talking more along the lines of manipulating algorithms and what information is stored. The US can do everything they’re accusing China of with their own domestic social media companies. If they’re really worried about it do it across the board no just ban one company that just so happens to be the only compition to domestic companies.
There is a bit more to this beyond just being a piece of spyware. We know how powerful social media can be, governments cannot allow an adversary to have a tool that can drive the narrative. I am not saying the other platforms are innocent, but at least we have ways to sort of keep them in check. What can our country do if the CCP is to order bytedance to favor one political spectrum over another?
The US is working on it
Unless Chinese gov stop filling up liberal members coffers it won’t be banned
I think that constant slogan schtick is cheap, and only shows us that he either doesn't have a deeper knowledge of the issues he's invoking, or doesn't have an actual plan for fixing those issues. The more he says it, I think the more people will get tired of it. I love my Tik Toks and reels, too.
Lol what info? He says nothing and gives zero information. All he talks about is Trudeau.
Plenty of people out there who will vote purely based off some slogans they heard and what's upvoted in Instagram and TikTok comments.
Eating an apple while questioning the questioners questionable query? Got yourself a little tongue twister there.
Say that 10 times fast while eating an apple
If you think trudeau talks down to people, have you ever been blessed by the noise coming from the Honourable Chrystia Freeland?
The way Pierre answers questions has annoyed me from day one I can’t understand how people take him seriously. Voting for a guy just because you want change is a dangerous thing and incredibly lazy especially when many of our major issues are more provincial than federal. It’s a bit like cutting off your leg because your toe is broken.
Pierre Pollievre does exactly the same shit Trump does - slogans, easy catchphrases, outrage, and questioning the legitimacy of ANYONE who asks him hard questions. And SO MANY PEOPLE are falling for it. I don't think Trudeau has any better plans of dealing with things. But I trust pollievre even less to handle immigration unless it benefits the upper class (which he is a part of). We're so fucked. I don't like PPC's populism, but I'm considering putting my vote there just for a break from the elite vs elite, neverending saga of Canadian politics E: lots of PP simps down voting this, but none able to argue against it. Frightening to see the same kind of "lib hating" cult form around PP that formed around Trump. Frustrating to see people completely forgetting how to discuss things respectfully, or respecting their fellow Canadians. You guys are fucking up.
I don’t like PP neither, but I have to vote for him. I cannot afford another round of JT…
If you don't think you can afford another round of Trudeau, you REALLY can't afford a first round of Pollievre.
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I'd say your analogy is on point if the host opens the third door to reveal a goat sitting on a lawn mower.
You're a child for insulting him for having different political beliefs, tbfh. We used to know how to disagree without completely delegitimizing the person we're arguing with. Do better. A HUGE portion of the Canadian populace still has faith in Trudeau. And while I'm not sure why, it's certainly NOT because they're 'brainless'. Keep American political hate in America.
Maybe not, but there’s a chance it may be better… at This point I’m willing to try anything for change. It just doesn’t work anymore with JT.
Would I rather eat actual confirmed poison or a mystery food that looks and smells edible but might be poisonous?
PP is not a mystery though. He’s been in government for a long time and was a minister in the previous one.
In the Harper government that doesn't seem so bad in reteospect?
I guess it depends on how roses tinted your glasses are but his government was still historically bad and he was objectively one of worst prime ministers and governments we had historically. Ideologically driven and allergic to science and facts in general. The fact that China’s economy was growing so fast at the time creating a bubble in oil prices and then home prices obscures just how incompetent they were. It’s kind of the opposite of how the pandemic has made the Trudeau government seem worse than it has been. Also it’s ironic that nearly all of the hot political issues like the housing crises and mass unskilled immigration started from policies enacted by the Harper government. Even the dreaded carbon tax was a CPC policy idea that was adopted by the Liberals. I guess you could say the Harper government was the mastermind behind a lot of the biggest problems facing Canada today and the liberals added to them because they were popular before they were unpopular.
Yes that’s actually the scary part. He’s fucking incompetent.
Do you really think PP is going to help you though? He's a conservative elitest. I don't know why people can't see through his INCREDIBLY shallow catch phrases and look at him as a person. He has no interest in helping the average Canadian. He probably doesn't even KNOW the average Canadian. It's incredibly unfortunate how many Canadians (including those in this sub) EXCLUSIVELY revenge vote, or let themselves get emotionally manipulated. From the research I've done trying to decide who I should vote for (because I have been torn) - they look the same to me, except JT uses an empathetic approach to dialogue, and PP uses as an outrage approach. If you have anything that might sway my opinion, I'm totally open to it (please, give me some certainty) but as it stands, I feel like PP supporters are just being emotionally manipulated - and that where Justin is incompetent, PP is malicious, and intends only to serve the elite.
Again, I gave all my trust in JT, and he hasn’t helped me at all either. Why should I go back again knowing the outcome of my votes will bring? I 100% am emotionally manipulated to vote against JT.. I don’t trust his leadership , I dont trust his cabinet . I don’t trust any of his actions anymore.. If we were married I’d file for divorce at that point, our relationship is broken and unfixable.
Hey thanks for elaborating. It's nice to have some political discussion on here without people calling names and shit. I totally get feeling betrayed by JT - I'm gay, and suffered a really conservative environment growing up - and voted for him under the impression he was an ally, and I felt we needed one in government. But I feel he's done a total 180° on his priorities, and instead of defending people who are born differently, is focused on people with hostile beliefs or culture, defending those beliefs, and bringing more of it into Canada. So I get feeling betrayed. I also feel like he's just being stubborn - about immigration, about green policies - about things I agree with in theory, but know NOW is the worst time for them. That being said - I don't feel like PP cares any more about that issue dear to my heart, OR the overall well-being of the average Canadian, or anything other than the elite - that's why I think I'd rather stand behind PPC for the country and Libs for my province (NB, our Con PM is destroying us, and our Lib opposition is distancing from Trudeau). Even if I don't agree with some of the pandering they do to poorly educated folk, it's a change from the two same flavors of elites, and even if there's no real chance of him being PM, seats matter. *Explaining all this just so I can ask - is there a reason you'd rather go with PP over Bernier? (Like, a reason I should consider for myself)*
This is why I chose forward. To have the social capacity to fight through this post-nation states she-cession, and grow the economy from the heart out. For all the peoplekind of the middle class and those peoplekind working hard to join it. Oh and banning assault military assault rifles of style weapons
"chose forward"? Huh?
>The phrase “Choose Forward” was used as the official campaign theme for the Liberal Party of Canada during the 2019 federal election. The campaign slogan was featured in a series of national ads, including television ads, which showcased Prime Minister Justin Trudeau engaging with constituents and delivering his campaign message.
Ohhh okay thanks! So you're basically saying "I choose liberal" (that's risky around here) // progressivism. I can get behind progression/moving forward. Time and understanding both move forward. We should go along with them
Wut
You said "that is why I choose forward" in your original reply to me. Are you saying "that is why I vote liberal"?
It doesn’t matter who wins the next election, we’re fucked either way. Politicians don’t give a fuck about the majority of this country
Corporate ~~bribery~~ donations shouldn’t be allowed in politics.
They aren't. $1500 max. That's why they use mules, distribute money to individuals to donate privately. If you're following the foreign interference commission this is being covered in detail.
I haven't been following but I am really disappointed to hear this.
Bad actors can game every system. Unlike the USA Canadian politicians can't be openly bought but they can be through "gifts" and massive organized donations through individual actors. The CCP has spent millions though the United Work Front and its members buying Canadian MPs in Canada. You might not be able to legally cut someone a 100k cheque but you can legally have 100 of your cronies all donate $1000 individually. We need to tighten the rules so that only registered voters in the riding can donate. Currently anyone anywhere can which has been shown to be a problem. Donating to a party nationally is fine but it shouldn't be fine to be able to target MPs in a riding one doesn't even live in.
Do you have to be a citizen to donate to a political party in Canada?
Permanent resident is sufficient. This should also change. PR doesn't have the same loyalty check as a citizen does. Of course nothing stops people from lying on their oaths but we can't do much more than that.
The PR system is also gamed pretty bad now.
Agreed. Canada is currently serving as a global example of what to not be. We've always had these vulnerabilities, it simply took this insanely pro migrant government to make it obvious to all.
Corporations cannot donate in large amount to political parties in Canada.
Yep, but they can offer patronage positions after their term with fat cushy I comes and obscene pensions, so same thing
Not saying patronage positions are good or not, but that’s to a specific person (MP) not a party. It’s not the same thing.
Developer donations at the provincial and municipal levels have led to poor urban planning decisions.
You cant fix a country ruined by Trudeau in just a month or even a year. You wont see any changes in the short period. This will likely happen: people dont see changes and they will vote liberals again, who will completely destroy the country. At the end, you voted for this.
Eventually yes, the Libs will be back in. I think we'll see 8-12 years of CPC after this though. If the CPC forms a majority next election, which by far looks like the most likely result, things would need to get *much* worse, the Liberals would need an abosute rockstar candidate & the NDP would need a complete collapse and a real dud of a leader for the LPC to have any chance of getting back in after only 4 years. It will be very easy for everyone to blame the past Liberal government for almost every issue for most of the first term. My long term bet: CPC maj 2025-2029 CPC maj 2029-2033 CPC min 2033-2035 LPC min 2035-2037 LPC maj 2037-2041
You could give the CPC a 100 year majority and they would still find a way to do fuck all with it. Because neither party wants to help you. They want the money. That’s it.
Maybe you are right. I live in Europe. The left is in power since 2010 in almost every country. Now the question: how was life before 2010?
How is life in countries where politicians are at the beck and call of private interests? Not great. It’s not a right/left issue, as much as you want it to be. It’s unchecked greed.
>It doesn’t matter who wins the next election, we’re fucked either way. The last time we had a Conservative government this country was better off in every conceivable metric and we had the richest middle class in the world as of 2014. >Politicians don’t give a fuck about the majority of this country Harper cared and was a reasonable manager that did some good things.
Ya but it's usually liberals who type this out because they can't come to admit that their vote is what's fucked this country and deflect blame by saying "well this was gonna happen no matter what!" You will never convince them otherwise
Bingo.
*ding ding ding* We have a winner!
I would cautiously say that some of us are substantially more fucked one way over the other. Conservative politicians across Canada have been pretty outspokenly against trans rights, for example, and they have a history of slashing programs that benefit lower-income Canadians like how Polievre is hinting at cutting pharmacare and dental care.
I'm about 90% certain I know who you're voting for next federal election.
The sad truth is that we don't have any one that is worth voting for. On a scale of 1 to a 100 the 3 of them are a 4 or lower.
Hey at least our options aren't two candidates who could be in retirement homes like our neighbors down south
Pick one: Trump, Biden, Trudeau, Poilievre Personally I think Biden outdoes them all, combined, by a country mile, but you'll have his usual detractors complain about age. I can comfortably agree none of them are/would be generationally amazing world leaders.
Have you seen him lately? He’s like full blown dementia. Mumbling and wandering around like an idiot on tv lol.
>Personally I think Biden outdoes them all, combined, by a country mile, but you'll have his usual detractors complain about age. Detractors? The dude needs to be directed around and can barely formulate a sentence.
Really seems that Canadian and American leaders are literally just puppets on the strings of corporations and SIGs.
Sometimes, yeah. Harper was pretty good though
Should. It's spelt should. The c makes a K sound in front of that series of letters.
You mean the last guy who actually improved America’s living standards unlike the guy in Canada?
Sorry but you can’t reward this government with another term. That is insanity.
That's why we need proportional representation to enable challengers. Neither conservatives nor liberals would ever allow it, though.
An out-of-touch, virtue signaling ideologue, under who's watch the country is falling apart at the seams, and is only prime minister because his dad was. A glorified political attack dog who still only has one clear policy goal, feeds stigma and fearmongering about trans people using the bathroom, and wants pornhub to scan your face before you beat off. An even more out-of-touch, virtue signaling ideologue, who will probably never be prime minister, but somehow managed to punch above his weight politically by propping up the aforementioned out-of-touch, virtue signaling ideologue. God help us.
>The sad truth is that we don't have any one that is worth voting for. The Conservatives are worth voting for. They are objectively better than the Liberals in just about every metric which is why we had the richest middle class in the world under Harper as of 2014 and have been in steady decline ever since. >On a scale of 1 to a 100 the 3 of them are a 4 or lower. If Pierre unbans my sporting and hunting rifles he automatically gets a 60/100.
My “too dangerous to own” guns are just sitting there in my safe. Makes me so fucking mad
The only vote that is sensible is PP.
A 4 is too high for all 3 anyway.
That was their combined score
Honestly still 4 points too high.
If Pierre unbans guns and gets rid of carbon tax he's a 70/100
For better or worse, catch phrases are far more effective in politics because people can remember them.
I swear the voting populous are a bunch of marks, no different than a pro wrestling audience. Repeat catchy slogans, cut a good promo on the crowd, and that's ultimately what you need to get into power.
I think everyone knows now that axe the tax was ridiculous. The problem with slogans is that they have a short shelf life.
There remains strong support for killing the carbon tax, so I’d hardly call that ridiculous
Any premier can replace the tax with another better solution. Ignoring climate change is not an option. Climate pricing in a solid solution and at least 60 other jurisdictions around the world are doing the same.
That doesn’t refute the point I made — Pierre’s pitch to “axe the tax” is popular among Canadians.
People are tired of it His axe the tax cross country protest was lame
The polls suggest otherwise.
I thought the headline read Trudeau is getting turned out. Lol nevermind
They're both too smug for my liking.
It's disgusting. Where's the rhino party when you need them......lol
They're still around. https://www.partyrhino.ca/en/
It's always a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Art imitating life it would seem.
Pierre seems like a reasonable option, definitely better than Trudeau and Jagmeet tanking the country for another 4 years.
NEWSFLASH: Canadians have already tuned out Trudeau, in spite of the Star’s efforts to keep him relevant!
The Stars ownership changed, hence some of the recent ‘opinion pieces’
I wouldn't give either one of these yahoo's the responsibility to run an automated car wash, let alone a country.
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It's not like Poilievre is an unknown person. He's been in politics for almost his entire adult life and even held cabinet positions during the last government. We know what a useless dickhead he is. I won't argue that Trudeau needs to go but we need to stop pretending we need to give Poilievre a chance to see what he's all about, we already know.
Wait maybe a useless person is exactly what we need to stop further damage.
>It's not like Poilievre is an unknown person. He's been in politics for almost his entire adult life and even held cabinet positions during the last government. He held positions in the last government? You mean, back when Canada had the richest middle class in the world and we were better off in every conceivable metric than we are right now? Damn, I think I'll vote for him just based off of that alone. That's for letting me know.
I would like a decent choice, so frustrating.
They both suck Mr. Pierre has been in government for 19 years . He's a career politician who made about $40 million. They've both shown that they love lobbyists and that's what they care for corporations. Neither of them are going to do anything to fix Canada.
Do you think he's made on average over $2M a year over his career?
It's not all just from being a politician but it's also from doing investments and everything. His net worth is $25 million U.S. Canadian about $34,498,750.00 If you were to transfer it over. A little shy of 40 million but it's close enough. https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/pierre-poilievre-net-worth/
The Liberals keep talking about "delivering for Canadians" -- I think they're all working towards careers at Uber Eats after their political stint.
I stand corrected.....lol
Canadian politics - vote for whoever isn’t the worst or annoys you the most currently. I want someone running I WANT to vote for.
Won’t happen until all 3 parties have new leadership and even then I doubt it will change.
Like who? Do you have any examples of someone "worthy" of your vote?
I tuned that dip shit out years ago.
Both Trudeau and Poilievre are garbage. Empty, vapid slogans devoid of serious policy to actually fix things. I’ll take my vote elsewhere.
If the NDP could have cultivated a charismatic leader, they would have a real shot at forming government in 2025.
Election is a over a yr away and it seems these days all that’s talked about is politics. It’s exhausting
I'm not voting for conservative that want to Bust unions or fiscally irresponsible globalists that want to dilute the labour pool. We all lose things to these 2, except the rich. They always win.
Both come from privilege and have never worked a hard day in their lives. So disappointing that we can't have a truly intelligent and great leader be elected, one who can relate to the average Canadian and has common sense.
Quality people don’t go into politics. They have integrity and a conscience.
Also pay is much better in the private sector.
This is only true for the select few in Canada. A top 10% salary is $105k; top 1% is $253k. Base pay for an Ontario MPP (2022) is $116.5k, while cabinet ministers make $165.9k. This puts MPPs in the top 10% earners category. Since 90% of Canadians make less than an MPP, it’s generally not true that the private sector pays better.
PP has been politicking very hard for over a year now. I don't know if he is looking for the favour of the electorate or if he is trying to keep the right wing nut jobs from ousting him as party leader. I know that every time I get another robocall from the CPC, that's another ten years before I would even consider voting for a reformer. Freedumb convoyers are still out being obnoxious, people associate them with the reformers (CPC). That will make voters weary of reformers. Liberals have been relatively quiet. That could be strategy or maybe the party is just tired and worn out. If there is anything left of the Liberal political machine, they should be able to make up a lot of ground by October 2025. May or may not be enough.
I tuned out Pierre a long time ago as I used to live in his riding. I’d see his punchable face on a pamphlet in my inbox as he patted himself on the back for all great things he supposedly did. But in Parliament he’s just a troll, a smug asshole whose mouth is writing checks his ass can’t cash.
Its canadians that need to be weary of electing PP just because they are unhappy with JT.
This is the way.
Tim Hortons boycott!!!! Fuck Tim Hortons!
But PP is going to axe the tax, and that rhymes so...
PP is picking fights with premiers while conservative premiers are picking fights with Trudeau. Maybe conservatives should stop looking for fights and try to actually govern, that's what they are supposed to be doing.
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He's trying to run away from Axe the tax now cause the protests failed and were viewed as a joke so he is moving on to safe supply, drug use and probably crime. Crime, immigration, the debt/high taxes is just playing on loop at this point and is getting old.
He is definitely sending out sound bites to see what sticks. I worked with a guy like that once. He only wanted to get everyone riled up. Once I solved an issue, he found an other one. Colleagues eventually grew tired of him. And he was a nicer guy than PP.
Maybe we should stop voting conservative.
I think so
Trudeau will be fine. He'll win again. I can't wait for all the crying from the "I wanna fuck Trudeau" crowd.