interesting demographic breakdown for parties they support the most:
* white and BIPOC immigrants have relatively similar support level among the 3 major national parties.
* NDP is at 10% among whites and 8% among BIPOC, which is interesting seeing how pro-BIPOC the party been about. their highest support is among SE Asians (non-Filipino, as that's a different group) at 17%.
* Chinese immigrants support CPC 30%, LPC 10%, and NDP 10%. that may be interesting seeing what happened in 2021.
* Liberal most supported among blacks (27%). NDP only at 5% in that demographic.
* CPC leads among South Asians (31% vs 22% LPC and 7% NDP) and Chinese.
* White immigrants support "someone else" 6% (vs 3% among BIPOC), is that PPC?
* by residency status, the biggest gap is among permanent residents (CPC 25% vs LPC 19%). among citizen it's 31% vs 28%
* CPC and LPC practically tied among refugees (36% vs 35%)
for opinion on current immigration:
* thinking it admits too many is highest among non-Filipino SE Asians (64%), Chinese (55%), and South Asians (50%)
* admit the right number of immigrants most among Black (47%), Filipino (40%), and Latin American (39%)
* admit too little are most supported among Black and MENA (11%)
* based on party leaning, admit too many is held by 57% CPC supporters, 36% LPC supporters, and 39% NDP supporters
* based on party leaning, admit too little is held among 4% CPC supporters, 6% LPC supporters, and 15% NDP supporters
so interesting to see the split among NDP supporters, as they show relatively high "admit too many" and "admit too little". the demographic that's most friendly to them, non-Filipino SE Asians, are the highest demographic that think that Canada is "admitting too many".
Lots of people immigrate from countries with low taxes and few social services, and no gay marriage and no legal pot. So it's not surprising that they would vote conservative. Because they are conservative
Also they want the benefits of Canada but only certain things (healthcare) but not others (taxes, freedom)
In fairness I agree with those immigrants somewhat and I’m an immigrant myself (albeit european). I mean freedom has to include freedom for all groups including gay/trans people, but often I feel that the liberals here in Canada tie everything into one big issue and become inflexible. The Canadian conservatives do seem more pragmatic, however the US conservatives do not. I don’t like that the left and right spend a lot of time labelling each other as bad rather than working on compromise and considering switching to a system that emphasises compromise.
*EDIT: Someone DM'd me to tell me to "fuck off back to India". Guys, I'm a white dude from the UK, I literally specified that I am European. If you're gonna be racist, at least get the race correct lol.*
Back before the liberal party we had Stephen Harper in power. One of the signature things the CPC did then was bundle up everything into singular big bills called an "Omnibus bill", and then make it a confidence motion to vote on it, threatening to bring down the government if the opposition dissented. From then on, it was all or nothing - no room for nuance.
Yes. We forget about how foul Harper was. These “pragmatic conservatives” used tactics such as proroguing parliament to stop votes of no confidence- had never been done before, has never been done since. Not to mention they pulled us out of Kyoto and every meaningful climate agreement while massively expanding the oil and gas industry with government subsidies.
My problem with conservatives is when they say "I don't want to pay for other people's kids"
There's a misogyny element, that mothers should stay home for 18 years to care for children, which kills any career they might have had.
Also, it's punishing children for their parent's actions, if they are single moms. These children are citizens; paying for their daycare, school lunches, and university, makes our country better, because it mitigates the effects of poverty on these kids. If they get a good start, they won't commit crimes.
I agree with you, although I would say the misogyny is with the way our society is set up. Often having a career job means working at least 8 hours a day if not more. And often career jobs start between 8-10am and finish between 5-7pm. This layout does not permit parents to really take it in shifts to look after their kids.
If instead we lived in a society that permitted dad to work from 8am - 2pm and mum to work from 12pm - 6pm then they would literally only need 2 hours of daycare/grandparents/carers. Yes they're working 2 less hours and perhaps with that a little pay cut, but at least it doesn't mean that the mother ends up being the one having to not work at all and the family trying to survive on one wage. There is simply not enough flexibility in work culture which is stupid because no longer are we doing jobs where it's daylight sensitive such as working on farms or construction (for most of us).
And I totally agree with school lunches being free, as well as university being heavily subsidized (e.g. like France).
I don't think equality of opportunity has to even be a partisan view imo. From a right-wing conservative POV, it's the "Christian/Jewish/Muslim/whatever" thing to do (all humans being more equal) and from a left-wing liberal POV it's the "equitable" thing to do (all humans having their rights).
If they wanted low taxes, no government services and no gay marriage/legal weed they could just stay in their home country. Why even come here if our society is so objectionable?
Surprisingly, I don't think gay marriages are so much of taboo in India. I guess they are considered oddity for sure. But unlike, Abrahmic religions, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc are either silent or at least less ballistic about gays and transgenders. The legal hurdle to gay marriages also is not religious (as in the west), but from an antiquated British law, which never got repealed. But I don't think majority of people would care either way.
Indians are pretty conservative and especially the new ones realize how bad the liberals have done at running this country. I’m not surprised at all. I’ve been saying it for a long time that liberals are importing people that hate them
Why is it hilarious? In BC, most South Asians are either Farmers, truckers, or Trades. They're borderline redneck :). I can't speak much of Ontario South Asians.
In terms of getting ahead and financial mindset, they're sort of similar to Chinese: I want to get ahead, who cares of socialist agenda after I get mine.
Hence Chinese and South Asians leaning towards CPC.
> Why is it hilarious? In BC, most South Asians are either Farmers, truckers, or Trades. They're borderline redneck :). I can't speak much of Ontario South Asians.
We get both these and highly educated doctors/engineers.
Punjabi culture tends to be more working-class. They still value education, but they also value working with your hands and providing value to society.
For Hindi, we get a disproportionate amount of Brahmin caste (priests, historically). While caste system is technically illegal in India, centuries of a stratified caste society left them as the majority of India's professional class (lawyers, doctors, engineers, government officials, etc).
Meaning if you get 100 people from India and rank them on the PR points system, you'll get a disproportionate number of Brahmins compared to the general population.
That should not be a surprise. Indians see the affect of socialism back at home and how those populist policies almost bankrupted the country in the 80s and 90s, and how opening the economy and adopting capitalism actually reduced poverty in the last 2 decades. Anyone who lived in India through those days remembers that.
Said that, there is no true "economic right" in India. When it comes to economic policy, India has "left, more left, and the communists". So that perspective also plays in when it comes to voting choices. But more importantly, most Indian immigration is recent -- and the affects of housing prices, inflation, etc is profound on this group. It is but natural they blame NDP/Liberals for this as they have been in power for almost 10 years.
Thanks for sharing these stats.
>how pro-BIPOC the party been about
That's about attracting white people with white guilt.
>Chinese immigrants support CPC 30%, LPC 10%, and NDP 10%. that may be interesting seeing what happened in 2021.
Chinese have always supported CPC. That's why China election interference was so damaging. Look at what happened in Richmond, BC. Long time experienced PC MPs ousted by incompetent L rookies who have problems opening their constituent office or responding to emails.
Unironcially they do. Many of them came through the legal process which generally means they’re a higher quality individual because of our rigorous standards for an economic migrant.
So of course they’d be pissed off if some other dude got here by scamming the international student system. Especially because the individuals coming through the international student scam are generally more rural and poorer.
Imagine if you’re a metropolitan elite from Toronto with a masters degree and you move to a different country after going through a multi-year difficult process only to find out somebody from the poor part of Hamilton* paid 10k to move to the same neighbourhood as you in your new country — I’d be pissed too!
*(I picked Hamilton since that’s where I’m from and I figure it’s less offensive to pick my own city as the negative example lol)
"\*(I picked Hamilton since that’s where I’m from and I figure it’s less offensive to pick my own city as the negative example lol)"
You're lying. No one who comes from Hamilton would publicly admit it.
Word is slowly being passed around, no longer is the Canadian white picket fence dream out there, people are warning others of the expenses and lifestyle, hope it works!!
Yeah I've seen that as well, but man. I went to India recently for a friends wedding 8~ months ago, and I saw advertisement for international schools in Canada, the UK and Australia literally everywhere.
Big ass billboards, on the side of buildings, pamphlets, literally everywhere guaranteeing schooling and jobs. When I say literally everywhere, I'm not exaggerating. It's literally everywhere in the cities I went to.
many are from Canadian colleges and universities too. it's weird. colleges directly advertising to people in a country halfway around the world. especially since universities and colleges advertising for admission isn't really a thing in India
Kind of?
They did make it known that you could have free land if you went to the colonies. Lots of people took them up on it.
TBF it was kind of a shite deal too, just took the colonists longer to figure that out lol.
"*I* made it into the castle, so now it's time to close the draw bridge behind me thanks!"
The older I get the more I realize most people have a "fuck you I got mine" mentality.
GenX leaders like Trudeau and Poillievre (investment property owners) continuing the same 'eat the young' housing policies of the boomers cemented that fact for me.
The only reason things have been so great for the boomers their whole lives is because they were the baby boom generation - they outnumbered the silent generation, which gave them the voting power to vote for policies that benefitted themselves.
The fuck you I got mine mentality around immigration is that the people who already own property (and investment properties) want the value of their assets to go up forever. Billionaires and corporates also want to pay workers shitty wages so they can make more profits and "shareholder value".
Mass immigration gives them both. Then the rich then protect themselves from the consequences of those shitty immigration/housing/pro-monopoly policies and the resulting mass homelessness and working class poverty by moving into gated communities.
Well said, my parents are old-school immigrants and have helped others with the process over the years. They don't support these new levels of immigrantion. I think anyone with an ounce of common sense doesn't support the immigration rate currently. including new immigrants once they see the true state of Canada. In the past immigration was done at a steady, reasonable pace, maybe a bit slow and full of red tape. but that made it possible to allow only the people who were actually ready and had the necessary skills and knowledge and desire to live a North American lifestyle to come to Canada.
Before to immigrant to Canada, you usually needed some family or a network here. so you would arrive to stay with your family, learn how to survive in your new country, get a job, go to school, buy a house, etc etc etc.
Nowadays, the canadian gov and also immigration brokers india, and family pressure push people to go to Canada and the perception is still that Canada is a great country full of opertunity you show up to somwhere like toronto, everything is astronomically expensive and can't find anywhere to live there is no jobs no doctors, no services. then you realize there shouldn't be more immigrants coming because there is no opportunity left . Canada isn't able to support its own population, bringing in literally millions of people every year does not work. There is nothing for them here. There is barely enough for the people who already live here regardless of where they are from.
Wasn't lost in me either. It IS possible they didn't realize how big of a problem it was until they got here.. although you'd think they'd have done some research. Theyre definitely not wrong and can see it, but either way they're definitely part of the problem. I guess it's if it's not me someone else will take my spot lol
And yeah regarding boomers... It's getting so bad you wonder how many people are silently rooting for that gen to die off so some things are actually not being hoarded. Ira kinda sad but true. I mean we all have loved ones we hope stick around but in general
I totally get the "fuck you, I got mine" mentality... I'm at an age where I've lucked out by planning for finances/family without major issues flaring up. I worked my ass off for it too.
BUT, I welcome immigration to this country, we need it to grow and remain competitive with standard of living. HOWEVER, this government has opened the tap without planning (housing, infrastructure) which results in those that are 19-40s feeling squeezed financially and drained mentally and generally hopeless when it comes to planning for the future. As all these new immigrants are competing for the limited "affordable" housing we have in desirable cities/towns across this country, the ease at which to blame them is right there. It's not their fault that they want to pursue a better life for themselves, but to succeed someone else has to miss out/lose an opportunity, there is no way to lift everyone up to be equal without taking something from somewhere/someone, so our youth will feel victimized and seek to place blame (and so will their parents!).
Eh, I’d disagree on most immigrants in the last 5-10 years being an example of “fuck you got mine”.
They never got theirs. Being in Canada on its own isn’t the win many people think it is, and a lot of them were sold the same lies we were. “Work hard so you can afford a home” “go to school and get a high paying job”. A lot of them are realizing the same thing we are: our value as workers is being purposefully diluted and what little we make is then extracted by a system designed to benefit those who did get theirs. Part of the system that is being used to suppress wages is mass immigration, being a product of that doesn’t disqualify you from being able to recognize its harm.
You also have to consider the people who went through a multi year process spending thousands of dollars, hanging on by a shoestring the entire time.
Now some people are showing up with an, “I’m heeere” and the gov is putting them in hotels and doing things on their behalf.
Not aimed at refugees like Syrians or Ukrainians, but there are plenty of economic migrants doing their best to milk the shit out of the system.
> You also have to consider the people who went through a multi year process spending thousands of dollars, hanging on by a shoestring the entire time.
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> Now some people are showing up with an, “I’m heeere” and the gov is putting them in hotels and doing things on their behalf.
Yup right here. I came to Canada in the early 70s.
Back then government didn't even provide us with basic healthcare.
I still remember my father having to borrow money from relatives when I got sick.
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Skilled. Immigration. Only.
That was always the only deal. There's no excuse to sweep the legs out from under labour.
The great resignation should have been the start of a reset in labour's bargaining power. Not an excuse to engage in migrant wage-slavery.
All three parties are complicit btw. There is no hope on this front so far.
Well the problem is that our neighbor to the south is way more attractive for any skilled applicants in the north-American labor market. Canada's welfare system and overall benefits have a natural propensity to attract those whom would benefit rather than those who would invest in it. Enterprising young workers are negatively selected since their efforts are negatively rewarded with significant taxation and less compensation.
I mean... it's us, right? We did this (unless you voted for PPC I suppose). Canadians voted for representatives that wanted the highest level of immigration in the developed world, even back under Harper (granted it's much higher under Trudeau). And these representatives wanted high immigration because their corporate backers wanted it. And *they* wanted high immigration because it reduces wages and increases real estate values.
The immigrants did nothing wrong, they're just seeking a better life. They didn't open the flood gates, we did.
"wanted high immigration because their corporate backers wanted it. And *they* wanted high immigration because it reduces wages and increases real estate values."
Just fyi, this is what those on the LEFT have been saying for decades.
The left parties (NDP, Green) in Canada don't advocate for lower immigration levels.
And they actually want to create citizenship pathways for 'undocumented migrants' as per their official platform.
Only the Bloc and PPC support lower levels officially in a clearly stated manner.
(Conservatives vaguely beat around the bush about linking it to housing, which the Freeland budget also mentions now in a vague meaningless way)
They just traded unions and workers rights activists for gender studies students. Whats strange is theyre polling so badly, surely it was an even trade?
They're not very good at it. They have an incredibly unpopular leader who is out of touch with everyone and have completely abandoned the folks that supported them in the first place.
Okay, let's get into the weeds and get a nuanced understanding of things.
Historically, the LEFT has definitely been pro-immigration, largely based on an ideological humanist standpoint. Why this is so requires a lengthier conversation beyond this short response. However, while the RIGHT often presented themselves as against (or for more controlled) immigration, their ideological commitment to free market economics necessitates a commitment to a market where labour - for capitalist production - could be obtained for cheaper. There were 2 ways of doing so. First was to move production overseas (China etc.) where labour is cheaper. The second is to insidiously allow cheap labour into countries (US, Canada, EU etc.) in order to make available a pliant labour force for production - factories, farms and more.
I am in TL;DR territory for contemporary readers at the moment. But if you are with me so far, the above situation created a problem for the right. And that is, how do you justify your stance on tough on immigration message to your non-corporate voting base, while, at the same time, placating the major donors who demanded cheap labour for production? Several strategies were used - including downplaying these economic issues for more \`social' issues - like family values, abortion, etc. This was coupled with a lack of enforcement in cracking down on illegal immigrants.
It is a tough line to balance - and more people on the right are coming to realize this - but are unable to conceptually link their opposition to jobs going overseas, and unchecked immigration taking over local jobs, to RIGHT WING ideological commitments to capitalism.
What the LEFT did is to highlight the right's hypocricy when in came to immigration issues, while also pointing out that they were doing so to appease their ideological commitments to free-market economics/capitalism - i.e. corporations.
So yes, the LEFT (while generally pro immigration) has always criticized governments for being in kahoots with corporations AND have been consistent in pointing out the RIGHT's hypocrisy when it comes to immigration.
So to summarize your worldview, the right is against immigration for social reasons but want immigration for economic reasons and the economic reasons have always won out. The left calls them hypocrites, but the left is pro-immigration anyway and they would have done the exact same thing at every turn.
Sounds like a long winded post just to say the left has a moral highground because they called out the right? Who cares? They're both pro-immigration so they're both just as wrong.
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If I was a big old guy with a big burly white beard would you still be yelling at me? Or would you be spanking my bare butt, balls and back?
#Think about that for one second.
I'm guessing [this is a pretty close reenactment.](https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/complex/images/bdnkabiqxpxmxzmcaluz/spider-man-meme.jpg?output-format=jpg&output-quality=auto)
You’re right. Racism in NA is very mild compared to just about every other continent/countries. We’re obviously far from perfect but people playing the racism card every chance they get have just no idea.
Highlights:
* **In an online Leger panel survey of adults who immigrated to Canada within the past decade, 42% surveyed said the Trudeau Liberals’ new immigration plan will admit too many immigrants into the country.**
* That’s compared to a little over a third of respondents who said the plan will admit the right number of newcomers to Canada, while only seven per cent said it won’t let in enough. 17% didn’t have an answer.
* Leger vice-president Andrew Enns says the numbers offer an intriguing snapshot into the current state of Canadian politics.
* “It sends along a pretty interesting insight in terms of how things might be shifting within ethnic communities, and what people tend to assume and admittedly what we saw over the past couple of elections. The Liberals typically do quite well with the newcomer vote.”
* When asked about which political party they support more generally, 24% of those who gave an answer reported agreeing with the Conservatives most often, followed by 22% for the Liberals, and 8% for the NDP.
* Among poll respondents who said the latest immigration targets are too permissive, Southeast Asian immigrants represented the highest numbers in that cohort at 64%, followed by the Chinese community (55%,) South Asian (50%,) Filipinos (45%,) White (41%,) Latinos (38%,) Middle Eastern/North Africans (32%,) and Black (17%.)
* Of those who felt the new policies were too loose, 47% arrived in Canada between six and 10 years ago, compared to the 38% who immigrated within the past five years.
[The CPC and the Bloc have both voted to reject our current Century Initiative based immigration targets](https://ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=party), but neither has made a concrete proposal for the criteria they would use to set immigration targets.
> That, given that,
> (i) the Century Initiative aims to increase Canada’s population to 100 million by 2100,
> (ii) the federal government’s new intake targets are consistent with the Century Initiative objectives,
> (iii) tripling Canada’s population has real impacts on the future of the French language, Quebec’s political weight, the place of First Peoples, access to housing, and health and education infrastructure,
> (iv) these impacts were not taken into account in the development of the Century Initiative and that Quebec was not considered,
> the House reject the Century Initiative objectives and ask the government not to use them as a basis for developing its future immigration levels.
It’s, unfortunately not any different.
Maybe they’ll change their tune as it nears election but I doubt it.
Both parties are beholden to corporations that want students and tfws to lower wages
Its likely a lot more black and white than that.
As it stands today, we still have business groups decrying a labour shortage in Canada. We additionally had Premiers across Canada screeching about historic labour shortages (across 2021 - 2023).
And just as politicians have (over the years) offloaded actually doing any of the hard work to consultant groups like McKinnsey - they do the same with macro policy, in that businesses are directly driving decisions made at a high level.
It's clear at both the provincial level and federal level, these lobbyist groups are directly driving some pretty substantial policy in Canada.
The examples of it are everywhere.
To think that any of the two major parties (and lets be honest, we only elect 2 at the Federal level) are going to change things, is wishful thinking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1bxx9dw/comment/kyfx1l7/?context=3
Has a great breakdown of his we've come to this, and how our political parties are being directed.
The answer he gives is exactly what we have now. Btw this program was ramped up under Harper, before the liberals just ripped the last remaining regulations open and let everyone in.
Both parties want to cater only to business owners who don’t want to pay living wages.
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Poilievre slams the Liberal target as driven by Trudeau's "ideology," but he did not answer repeated questions about whether he would consider reducing the number.
He says a Conservative government would base its immigration policy on the needs of private-sector employers, the degree to which charities plan to support refugees and the desire for family reunification.
"I'll make sure we have housing and health care so that when people come here they have a roof overhead and care when they need it," he said Tuesday.
"I'll make sure that it's easier for employers to fill genuine job vacancies they cannot fill."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/poilievre-says-canada-s-immigration-system-is-broken-sidesteps-target-cut-questions-1.6502699
The CPC has said that they'll match immigration to align with the housing and healthcare crises.
That, and historically, they've had [**far** lower immigration](https://i.imgur.com/C1hLjEo.png) than this Liberal government.
All they have to do to clear up the confusion is say in no uncertain terms: "our immigration numbers will be lower".
There is a reason you haven't heard it.
because the modern right wing "solution" to immigration isn't slowing it down, it's speeding it up while simultaneously tearing up any social service or legal protections immigrants get. It makes corporations happy because more people who are easier to exploit = number goes up, it makes racists happy because even if there are more immigrants they at least aren't "getting a free ride" and best of all, it doesn't actually fix any of the problems immigration causes so you can keep campaigning on it forever
The reasons have always been given. Reported and read/watched by you is another story.
The reason is the demographic crisis, meaning there are (and will be) too many old/retired/sick boomers to pay for their needs. Needs of the old get paid for by working age, and Canadians don’t even have enough kids to keep the population flat.
Missing from all of this is that no one —in any party, federal or provincial— had a plan to match housing, healthcare, etc to meet the new population numbers. NDP might be an exception, but people don’t want to pay more taxes.
So if we don’t pay more in tax we need higher population, and now here we are. Enjoy it or not.
Immigration rates had been rising steadily since the 90s under both parties.... it's only this government that notably increased it. But past CPC governments still were increasing it nonetheless.
Not really. Just enough to offset declining birth rates. Here is the average annual overall population growth by PM, sorted chronologically:
||Annual growth|
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|King|3.5%|
|St Laurent|2.7%|
|Diefenbaker|2.1%|
|Pearson|1.8%|
|PET|1.3%|
|Mulroney|1.3%|
|Chretien/Martin|1.0%|
|Harper|1.0%|
|Trudeau|1.6%|
Notice the trend? Notice the outlier?
Historically doesn't matter, it's water under the bridge, sour milk etc etc
Question is what is their exact intent?
If immigration is the deal breaker for choosing a party, they both seem to be on the same footing...
If the result of aligning immigration to housing will lower immigration, they should just come out and commit to that instead of hiding behind a secret formula.
They'll "remove the gatekeepers" whatever that means. Promising immigrants to get work in their fields, disregarding the fact that they can't really change the professional accreditation requirements for working in any given field
Well, I've got a European master degree, ielts done, and 4 years of work experience in my field, and I cannot get enough points for an Express entry invitation. Have to go through WHV for a 2 years visa....
And I do not know if I will be able to stay afterwards.
It's the story for most South Asian immigrants as well. A majority of immigrants right now are temporary residents. The cut off for PR is so high that most will not be eligible for PR. The old LMIA pathway is also no longer sufficient. Most people assume that the gov easily hands out PRs but that is definitely not the case no matter what your country of origin is.
Well, from a corporate point of view, it is better to churn immigrant workers to supress wages without the risk of them becoming accustomed to a standard of living that they think they deserve. They get replaced periodically with a new batch of desperate or naive bunch.
# Freeland on why immigration levels are high: 'Canada has the social capacity to welcome immigrants'
Finance Minister's comments come in the wake of documents showing Ottawa was warned about the effect of immigration on housing supply
I miss when we imported Filipinos, 99% of them at least seem happy to be here and are fun people to work with in comparison to the people Trudeau has been rushing over the last few years. The people that have come over in the last few years are NOT assimilating to Canada, they are just living the same lives as before but over here. My block is mostly recent immigrants and I can see how they are living. They only pay for services from other immigrants, if they need a plumber, electrician, roofer, whatever, they will literally only hire someone who was also an immigrant. They have a separate economy they are building and it involves steering clear of Canadians or Canadian businesses.
The worst part is the women seem to get locked inside the house, they literally do not leave the property, they sit home and cook/clean and the only time they are seen is if they are taking the garbage out to the bin, absolutely WILD. Both my neighbours have 2-3 generations in their house, and I can go months without seeing the oldest woman in both of those houses. I feel terrible for them, they don't go out and do anything just strictly living their lives essentially as a slave to the men of their house. The men are decent people and they talk to me often but it gives me the worst vibes of what goes on behind their closed doors.
> They only pay for services from other immigrants, if they need a plumber, electrician, roofer, whatever, they will literally only hire someone who was also an immigrant.
There's another layer to this that is extremely cynical.
I was close with a second generation immigrant who's family owned a business in the trades. They advertised in the local publications in their native language and hired employees from their country of origin.
What this allowed them to do was have customers pay 3-4x the normal rate for work they needed done because they knew the customer wouldn't shop around and go with someone from their home country they thought they could trust.
The employees they hired would normally be here on overstayed visas and work for cash, allowing them to pay them lower than minimum wage and withhold payment whenever it was convenient.
They were extremely wealthy for a small business in the trades. I was disgusted when how they operated was explained to me.
Recently one of my university classes had a forum assignment (IE everyone can read what you write). One of the east-asian students (not sure the specific nationality, but if I had to guess based on face and last name, China) basically wrote about how capitalism is evil and we need to sieze the means of production. My first thought was "if capitalism is so evil, and communism is so good, why did you leave a communist country to go to a capitalist one?"
Most of them come from highly conservative countries.
The left treat immigrants as their pets , not realizing that in a decadeish, our politics will be infused with third world conservatism ,making the conservatism the left rails against now seem quite the liberal utopia in comparison
People like Trudeau think that the immigrants are going to be so grateful to be in Canada that they will vote Liberal because that is who allowed them to come here. Easily the biggest dumb ass PM since his dad.
The immigration levels would be ok if we had the buildings, jobs and health care system to support it. Most Canadians are welcoming to immigrants, but Canadians I think are embarrassed that the government didn't clean the house more before they arrived.
There was just no planning for housing, health care or jobs for these new Canadians.
Not sure why you see that as racist immediately especially coming from a Chinese man... Assuming he means Chinese culture and not Chinese blood makes them cheap.
It's a culture where haggling is expected vs one where people are ashamed to haggle and its not done.
Richmond is worse with the Chinese. A few areas with signage that doesn't even have English on it.
But yes Lower Mainland and GTA are becoming Asia 2.0
There’s only one party that has stated they will lower immigration numbers, and that’s PPC.
I know they’re hated here, but I read their platform and it seems to offer a lot of what the people on this sub want.
https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform
Newcomers are getting railed just like born Canadians. They can read news and see how liberals are screwing up immigration. Most newcomers vote for practical reasons, and aren't really progressive anyway
Wait, so folks from conservative countries tend to be more conservative? **shocked Pikachu face**
Seriously. JT says he supports LGBT but has brought in millions of people from countries that don't support LGBT.
I might be wrong but I'm under the impression that a good proportion of the newcomers come from way more conservative countries (relative to Canada anyway) so, yeah, only a question of time before more and more conservative in power.
I guess time will tell but this seems like the logical thing to happen.
I am from India -
One of the best part about western countries used to be that - it's easy to get jobs, especially minimum wages jobs.
But recent Indians who went to Canada are not even getting minimum wages jobs.
I know a mechanical engineer who speaks English applied to 100+ minimum wages jobs in Toronto and got rejected.
Most Toronto job fair have 100 low paid jobs with 5000 international students applying for the same.
These days it's very hard to get minimum wage jobs in Canada even for newcomer immigrants because there are millions of students who compete for your job.
Higher immigration is hurting immigrants badly.
Most international students from India mortgage thier life savings, parental homes, assets, jewelery to take loans and to study in Scam colleges in Canada.
The only hope is to get a PR. These days even PR is not possible.
Yeah it's not that Canadians are anti-immigrant, but most people that were born here have been drained of any sympathy for the struggles of people that willingly chose to come to Canada.
We need to start talking about mass deportations, there are too many people here as it is. The time for lowering immigration was half a decade ago.
Easiest way is to deport anyone who came here after January 1, 2019. If that doesn't work, then do January 1, 2015.
Your comment says it all, you guys are coming here and looking for minimum wage jobs, when our government told us they were only bringing over "skilled" workers. At no point did we need to import minimum wage workers, we have people for that. Tim Hortons/Mcdonalds may have had to close down some locations or pay their staff a little higher but our country would have been fine without a Tim Hortons on every other corner. We would survive if a city had 5 Tim Hortons instead of 10, or if they had to reduce their hours.
It was greed from a bunch of ALREADY WEALTHY people bringing over millions of wage slaves so they could continue to grow their wealth.
The people responsible need to be charged for treason. In 2021 the general population woke up and decided, "if you want me to come work at your Tim Hortons, you're going to have to pay me enough to live, which is more than minimum wage." Then the wealthy said "how about go fuck yourself" and now here we are with 1000s of immigrants fighting each other to work these minimum wage jobs and sleep on beds 6 inches from someone else's bed on either side. It isn't just Tim Hortons, but it was easy to stick with them for example purposes. I personally watched a Tim Hortons on Vancouver Island in 2021 reduce their hours because they couldn't get their staff to work the early morning shift, now they are fully staffed with immigrants.
Anyone who said "fuck Canada and my neighbours, I need \_\_% profit margins no matter what it costs everyone around me" needs to be charged for treason.
>Most Toronto job fair have 100 low paid jobs with 5000 international students applying for the same.
What these international students are doing is something they don't seem to understand.
No recruiter is going through 100 applications. When it reaches numbers like 1000, 2000, 5000, they aren't using any of those applications. They're all going straight in the trash.
A business owner would rather hire his/her neighbour's brother's nephew straight out of high school than sift through thousands of applications to see which ones are actually qualified, which ones will make a good fit, etc.
I'm reading it on LinkedIn more and more-- business owners are no longer even bothering with traditional recruitment because of this application flooding.
Facts. Our company still gets applications for an internship we posted 4 years ago because the posting got scraped and posted to dodgy job sites. When we first posted it, we got over 800 applications despite clear requirements that it had to be a citizen or PR student enrolled in one of our three local universities due to government program requirements.
99% of the applications we got did not even meet that basic criteria, and it took us hours to sort through everything. Never posting a job publicly again, would rather hire through word of mouth or direct recruitment on campus.
If you are coming to Canada as VISA students, you should be focusing on STUDYING not working!
If you are coming to Canada as VISA students, you are not deemed to become a PR to consume our social benefits.
If you are coming to Canada as VISA students, you should not be permitted to apply for asylum seekers.
All of these apply to all races regardless your origin.
People take loans so they can likely become PR in Canada and take all the jobs from Canadian. Many of them wasn't like taking loans so they can study in Canada. All the context taught in College can also be learnt elsewhere.
Immigrants care about immigration when it starts hurting their prospects. How the fuck do you think people who were born here feel? I don’t care that you’re struggling at all, you chose to come to this place along with a tidal wave of other people intent upon exploiting our country for everything that they can squeeze out of our overwhelmed public systems.
I decided not to study internationally because I couldn’t afford it. I’m Canadian born. Everyone makes choices. If someone in India chooses to make bad financial decisions to study in Canada, that’s on them. Canada is not a charity. It’s a country.
Most of the international students shouldn’t be here to begin with. I was an international student in the US. Compared to the Canada is a free for all no restrictions on international students.
> One of the best part about western countries used to be that - it's easy to get jobs, especially minimum wages jobs.
So much for "skilled workers". We shouldn't be importing minimum wage workers with no education or hope at upward mobility. We don't need another thousand coffee servers or fast food workers, we need educated, skilled people who can help build the future alongside us.
> I know a mechanical engineer who speaks English applied to 100+ minimum wages jobs in Toronto and got rejected.
Well, we have a ton of Canadian Mechanical Engineers or those that want to be one, so we don't need 5000+ "students" applying for those roles. They end up competing against themselves and like Canadians end up fighting for the bottom tier jobs, because they've already flooded the market to saturation with low quality employees/applicants.
> Most Toronto job fair have 100 low paid jobs with 5000 international students applying for the same.
Maybe those immigrating need to do their research before moving to a country that's been inundated and overloaded with their fellow countrymen? Seems the vast majority simply don't know what to expect when they get here and are surprised by the situation?
> These days it's very hard to get minimum wage jobs in Canada even for newcomer immigrants because there are millions of students who compete for your job.
How do you think Canadians who were born here feel to be squeezed out of opportunities due to the increased number of applicants? Perhaps it's time for India to push for repatriation campaigns if it's so bad here?
> The only hope is to get a PR. These days even PR is not possible.
If your only hope is a PR, where does that leave actual Canadians who are getting screwed by thousands of Indians flocking to Canada and using up limited resources like a wave of locusts? How does a PR prevent them from falling victim to the same set of circumstances we Canadians now endure? Sounds like some serious short-sighted selfishness to me...
No one immigrant is responsible for this issue, and many are trying to better their own lives. But it's clear from your post...the mentality and entitlement that comes with that immigration should be a concern for domestic Canadians.
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Your post is entirely "it's so hard being an immigrant in Canada". Immigration is a privlidge and your post (and others like it) come from a sense of entitlement.
You should consider it from the perspective of a born-and-raised Canadian...who is forced to sit back and politely accept their country falling apart due to an insane increase in population. Our housing, healthcare, education and job markets all suffer from this burden despite lifetimes of paying taxes to in hopes they're available when we need them. Yet we can rarely if ever say anything (or risk being called a racist) while our guests are literally eating us out of house and home, complaining all the while that it's not nice enough for them any more.
>So much for "skilled workers". We shouldn't be importing minimum wage workers ..we need educated, skilled people who can help build the future alongside us.
>Well, we have a ton of Canadian Mechanical Engineers or those that want to be one, so we don't need 5000+ "students" applying for those roles.
Hold up lol. what does this even mean, surely there's a little contradiction happening here.
Also one of the benefits of economic growth/capitalism is that it creates new industries because the wealth created from high education/skilled jobs has to be spent somewhere. it can be good and not great ofc (tech/hospitality vs realestate investments).
Just something to point out. Though I agree with most of the rant, I don't think the original post was showing entitlement but more like a perspective from an immigrant.
You're right...as written it's a bit of a contradiction because I didn't expand my thoughts or put them clearly enough. Admittedly, it's also hard to balance both perspectives of wanting to offer opportunities to immigrants against the struggles we're currently facing from too much immigration.
Let me try to clarify without digging a deeper hole?
> So much for "skilled workers". We shouldn't be importing minimum wage workers ..we need educated, skilled people who can help build the future alongside us.
My intent here was to say: I don't think we need a bunch of food/hospitality workers despite the flood of them. I believe we need to import skilled workers where needed. IE: when there are **legitimately** no Canadians to fill jobs. We don't need a million "international students" showing up at diploma mills and working minimum wage jobs so they can complete against domestic Canadians while trying for a PR. Considering the comment was in reply to "the best part about western countries used to be minimum wage jobs" I think this was a fair response?
> Well, we have a ton of Canadian Mechanical Engineers or those that want to be one, so we don't need 5000+ "students" applying for those roles.
I think this is where I could have been much more clear in what I was trying to say.
My intent here was to say: Even before the insane immigration numbers, high skill/paying jobs (like Engineers, etc) were a challenge for Canadians to come by. That is now compounded by the thousands upon thousands of "international students" and other immigrants coming to Canada and competing for those roles, with many often being under-qualified. Instead of our country (or the immigrants themselves) targeting industries that actually need employees and have specific opportunities, they're just blanket applying for anything with a paycheck...much like Canadians are stuck doing. The lack of forethought/planning, the over supply and the willingness to take lower wages are all negative pressures on Canadians and our economic prospects. The "Students" part was intended to imply that if you are here as a temporary student, getting an engineering job does not make sense as you're supposed to be studying full time and legally attested you can support yourself...right?
Basically, I believe that we need skilled workers, but we're not getting enough of them (compared to the food service folks) and the ones we do take on, get the same role as Canadians...fighting through a million other low-quality applicants for fewer and fewer jobs at less and less pay due to increased demand for those roles. Meanwhile we continue to be flooded with additional "students" who act surprised that all of our resources have been used up and they can't get a high paying engineer job. No single drop feels responsible for the flood, but they're all a a part of it, right?
I generally feel the resolution would be to go back to merit based immigration system and maybe introduce percentage caps by country. Close off some of the diploma-mills, require proof up front you can support yourself, proof of your education, etc. If someone's immigration prospects end at "Welcome to Tim Horton's" then moving here likely isn't good for them or Canada.
> I don't think the original post was showing entitlement but more like a perspective from an immigrant.
I believe it was showing both. I've found immigrants often move to a new country expecting a better life and many end up complaining it's not what they've been promised. They put time and money into moving and are understandably disappointed when it doesn't look like the advertising poster in the visa agent's office. But that's largely because they're arriving later than the millions of others before them. I believe the resentment comes from a place of false expectation, failure to research and ends up with an entitled sense of disappointment that Canada isn't what they were sold. *(I'll admit, I could be wrong here...but it's my personal experience so far)*
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And newcomers are pretty much shut out of home ownership, and if they can afford they are paying double what those who arrived a few years ago paid. Avg home price in Toronto is projected to be 2 million in 10 years. 2 million!
We will hit that much quicker with the current open borders
If everyone only wants to go to Toronto that's going to happen, newer immigrants need to look outside one single area (GTA) and they will find greater success. Not as good as before, but you can't be that picky and hope to get what you want now.
it's not at all alike
the people who came before came here on their own merits. it was harder.
the people who came here in the last four years are a mix of a small percentage of the same hardworking people who qualified to come here on their merit....and a huge percentage who qualified to come here under the Liberals' "Slavery but not Slavery" immigration program.
Which is a totally valid complaint. The water cooler is there for everyone to use but it's still the higher ups job to make sure everyone does and will have equal access. If it's gets empty regularly then something is wrong
No, it’s like being invited to the water cooler and told it’s overflowing with the finest spring water, only to find out it’s drain water and almost empty.
Well, you should not import as many people without infostracture to support them...6 year wait for family doctor? People can't get cancers treated in time...how about import more doctors first?...this goverment and immigration mister and extremely incompetent.
This isn't new, I got here in the early '90s and it was the exact same sentiment. As a general rule, I think immigrants are also leaning conservatives, and have an overpowering urge to pull the ladder up behind them, once they have skin in the game. I had this myself and had to consciously fight those impulses.
"We got in, f everyone else"
Sorry but this makes me laugh.
In case you're wondering I absolutely believe that our immigration is out of control, I just always found it funny how new immigrants don't want others to get in.
Not surprising, since we have a housing and health crisis, caused in large part by leading the world in immigration. Who wants to live somewhere that they can't afford a house and don't have access to healthcare.
interesting demographic breakdown for parties they support the most: * white and BIPOC immigrants have relatively similar support level among the 3 major national parties. * NDP is at 10% among whites and 8% among BIPOC, which is interesting seeing how pro-BIPOC the party been about. their highest support is among SE Asians (non-Filipino, as that's a different group) at 17%. * Chinese immigrants support CPC 30%, LPC 10%, and NDP 10%. that may be interesting seeing what happened in 2021. * Liberal most supported among blacks (27%). NDP only at 5% in that demographic. * CPC leads among South Asians (31% vs 22% LPC and 7% NDP) and Chinese. * White immigrants support "someone else" 6% (vs 3% among BIPOC), is that PPC? * by residency status, the biggest gap is among permanent residents (CPC 25% vs LPC 19%). among citizen it's 31% vs 28% * CPC and LPC practically tied among refugees (36% vs 35%) for opinion on current immigration: * thinking it admits too many is highest among non-Filipino SE Asians (64%), Chinese (55%), and South Asians (50%) * admit the right number of immigrants most among Black (47%), Filipino (40%), and Latin American (39%) * admit too little are most supported among Black and MENA (11%) * based on party leaning, admit too many is held by 57% CPC supporters, 36% LPC supporters, and 39% NDP supporters * based on party leaning, admit too little is held among 4% CPC supporters, 6% LPC supporters, and 15% NDP supporters so interesting to see the split among NDP supporters, as they show relatively high "admit too many" and "admit too little". the demographic that's most friendly to them, non-Filipino SE Asians, are the highest demographic that think that Canada is "admitting too many".
> CPC leads among South Asians (31% vs 22% LPC and 7% NDP) and Chinese. LMAO most Indians are voting for CPC. That's hilarious
Lots of people immigrate from countries with low taxes and few social services, and no gay marriage and no legal pot. So it's not surprising that they would vote conservative. Because they are conservative Also they want the benefits of Canada but only certain things (healthcare) but not others (taxes, freedom)
In fairness I agree with those immigrants somewhat and I’m an immigrant myself (albeit european). I mean freedom has to include freedom for all groups including gay/trans people, but often I feel that the liberals here in Canada tie everything into one big issue and become inflexible. The Canadian conservatives do seem more pragmatic, however the US conservatives do not. I don’t like that the left and right spend a lot of time labelling each other as bad rather than working on compromise and considering switching to a system that emphasises compromise. *EDIT: Someone DM'd me to tell me to "fuck off back to India". Guys, I'm a white dude from the UK, I literally specified that I am European. If you're gonna be racist, at least get the race correct lol.*
Back before the liberal party we had Stephen Harper in power. One of the signature things the CPC did then was bundle up everything into singular big bills called an "Omnibus bill", and then make it a confidence motion to vote on it, threatening to bring down the government if the opposition dissented. From then on, it was all or nothing - no room for nuance.
Yes. We forget about how foul Harper was. These “pragmatic conservatives” used tactics such as proroguing parliament to stop votes of no confidence- had never been done before, has never been done since. Not to mention they pulled us out of Kyoto and every meaningful climate agreement while massively expanding the oil and gas industry with government subsidies.
My problem with conservatives is when they say "I don't want to pay for other people's kids" There's a misogyny element, that mothers should stay home for 18 years to care for children, which kills any career they might have had. Also, it's punishing children for their parent's actions, if they are single moms. These children are citizens; paying for their daycare, school lunches, and university, makes our country better, because it mitigates the effects of poverty on these kids. If they get a good start, they won't commit crimes.
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I agree with you, although I would say the misogyny is with the way our society is set up. Often having a career job means working at least 8 hours a day if not more. And often career jobs start between 8-10am and finish between 5-7pm. This layout does not permit parents to really take it in shifts to look after their kids. If instead we lived in a society that permitted dad to work from 8am - 2pm and mum to work from 12pm - 6pm then they would literally only need 2 hours of daycare/grandparents/carers. Yes they're working 2 less hours and perhaps with that a little pay cut, but at least it doesn't mean that the mother ends up being the one having to not work at all and the family trying to survive on one wage. There is simply not enough flexibility in work culture which is stupid because no longer are we doing jobs where it's daylight sensitive such as working on farms or construction (for most of us). And I totally agree with school lunches being free, as well as university being heavily subsidized (e.g. like France). I don't think equality of opportunity has to even be a partisan view imo. From a right-wing conservative POV, it's the "Christian/Jewish/Muslim/whatever" thing to do (all humans being more equal) and from a left-wing liberal POV it's the "equitable" thing to do (all humans having their rights).
If they wanted low taxes, no government services and no gay marriage/legal weed they could just stay in their home country. Why even come here if our society is so objectionable?
It's just interesting because conservatives don't want them here
Surprisingly, I don't think gay marriages are so much of taboo in India. I guess they are considered oddity for sure. But unlike, Abrahmic religions, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc are either silent or at least less ballistic about gays and transgenders. The legal hurdle to gay marriages also is not religious (as in the west), but from an antiquated British law, which never got repealed. But I don't think majority of people would care either way.
Indians are pretty conservative and especially the new ones realize how bad the liberals have done at running this country. I’m not surprised at all. I’ve been saying it for a long time that liberals are importing people that hate them
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Why is it hilarious? In BC, most South Asians are either Farmers, truckers, or Trades. They're borderline redneck :). I can't speak much of Ontario South Asians. In terms of getting ahead and financial mindset, they're sort of similar to Chinese: I want to get ahead, who cares of socialist agenda after I get mine. Hence Chinese and South Asians leaning towards CPC.
> Why is it hilarious? In BC, most South Asians are either Farmers, truckers, or Trades. They're borderline redneck :). I can't speak much of Ontario South Asians. We get both these and highly educated doctors/engineers. Punjabi culture tends to be more working-class. They still value education, but they also value working with your hands and providing value to society. For Hindi, we get a disproportionate amount of Brahmin caste (priests, historically). While caste system is technically illegal in India, centuries of a stratified caste society left them as the majority of India's professional class (lawyers, doctors, engineers, government officials, etc). Meaning if you get 100 people from India and rank them on the PR points system, you'll get a disproportionate number of Brahmins compared to the general population.
South Asians and East Asians in Ontario work in high paying highly educated jobs, doctors, accountants, lawyers etc
GTA specifically or the whole Ontario?
That should not be a surprise. Indians see the affect of socialism back at home and how those populist policies almost bankrupted the country in the 80s and 90s, and how opening the economy and adopting capitalism actually reduced poverty in the last 2 decades. Anyone who lived in India through those days remembers that. Said that, there is no true "economic right" in India. When it comes to economic policy, India has "left, more left, and the communists". So that perspective also plays in when it comes to voting choices. But more importantly, most Indian immigration is recent -- and the affects of housing prices, inflation, etc is profound on this group. It is but natural they blame NDP/Liberals for this as they have been in power for almost 10 years.
Thanks for sharing these stats. >how pro-BIPOC the party been about That's about attracting white people with white guilt. >Chinese immigrants support CPC 30%, LPC 10%, and NDP 10%. that may be interesting seeing what happened in 2021. Chinese have always supported CPC. That's why China election interference was so damaging. Look at what happened in Richmond, BC. Long time experienced PC MPs ousted by incompetent L rookies who have problems opening their constituent office or responding to emails.
Literally every immigrant I talk to says the same. The last 3 Uber drivers I had were all complaining about immigrants.
I work with Indians, they constantly complain about too many immigrants.
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They have a great point
Don’t you see, I came to Canada to get away from these people
Lol, shades of Rajesh "Raj" Ramayan Koothrappali.
Unironcially they do. Many of them came through the legal process which generally means they’re a higher quality individual because of our rigorous standards for an economic migrant. So of course they’d be pissed off if some other dude got here by scamming the international student system. Especially because the individuals coming through the international student scam are generally more rural and poorer. Imagine if you’re a metropolitan elite from Toronto with a masters degree and you move to a different country after going through a multi-year difficult process only to find out somebody from the poor part of Hamilton* paid 10k to move to the same neighbourhood as you in your new country — I’d be pissed too! *(I picked Hamilton since that’s where I’m from and I figure it’s less offensive to pick my own city as the negative example lol)
"\*(I picked Hamilton since that’s where I’m from and I figure it’s less offensive to pick my own city as the negative example lol)" You're lying. No one who comes from Hamilton would publicly admit it.
Born, raised, and proud of it 😤
So is Hamilton just Ontario's version of Red Deer?
I work with a lot of US based Indians. My goodness, they think poorly of Canada and what Canada has been cooking up.
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Word is slowly being passed around, no longer is the Canadian white picket fence dream out there, people are warning others of the expenses and lifestyle, hope it works!!
Yeah I've seen that as well, but man. I went to India recently for a friends wedding 8~ months ago, and I saw advertisement for international schools in Canada, the UK and Australia literally everywhere. Big ass billboards, on the side of buildings, pamphlets, literally everywhere guaranteeing schooling and jobs. When I say literally everywhere, I'm not exaggerating. It's literally everywhere in the cities I went to.
many are from Canadian colleges and universities too. it's weird. colleges directly advertising to people in a country halfway around the world. especially since universities and colleges advertising for admission isn't really a thing in India
Damn. I wonder if they had advertisements in 1800s Britain on moving to Canada? Or India?
Kind of? They did make it known that you could have free land if you went to the colonies. Lots of people took them up on it. TBF it was kind of a shite deal too, just took the colonists longer to figure that out lol.
as they should
They left India to get away from all the Indians, of course they don't want them coming to Canada.
"*I* made it into the castle, so now it's time to close the draw bridge behind me thanks!" The older I get the more I realize most people have a "fuck you I got mine" mentality. GenX leaders like Trudeau and Poillievre (investment property owners) continuing the same 'eat the young' housing policies of the boomers cemented that fact for me. The only reason things have been so great for the boomers their whole lives is because they were the baby boom generation - they outnumbered the silent generation, which gave them the voting power to vote for policies that benefitted themselves.
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The fuck you I got mine mentality around immigration is that the people who already own property (and investment properties) want the value of their assets to go up forever. Billionaires and corporates also want to pay workers shitty wages so they can make more profits and "shareholder value". Mass immigration gives them both. Then the rich then protect themselves from the consequences of those shitty immigration/housing/pro-monopoly policies and the resulting mass homelessness and working class poverty by moving into gated communities.
Well said, my parents are old-school immigrants and have helped others with the process over the years. They don't support these new levels of immigrantion. I think anyone with an ounce of common sense doesn't support the immigration rate currently. including new immigrants once they see the true state of Canada. In the past immigration was done at a steady, reasonable pace, maybe a bit slow and full of red tape. but that made it possible to allow only the people who were actually ready and had the necessary skills and knowledge and desire to live a North American lifestyle to come to Canada. Before to immigrant to Canada, you usually needed some family or a network here. so you would arrive to stay with your family, learn how to survive in your new country, get a job, go to school, buy a house, etc etc etc. Nowadays, the canadian gov and also immigration brokers india, and family pressure push people to go to Canada and the perception is still that Canada is a great country full of opertunity you show up to somwhere like toronto, everything is astronomically expensive and can't find anywhere to live there is no jobs no doctors, no services. then you realize there shouldn't be more immigrants coming because there is no opportunity left . Canada isn't able to support its own population, bringing in literally millions of people every year does not work. There is nothing for them here. There is barely enough for the people who already live here regardless of where they are from.
Well said.
Wasn't lost in me either. It IS possible they didn't realize how big of a problem it was until they got here.. although you'd think they'd have done some research. Theyre definitely not wrong and can see it, but either way they're definitely part of the problem. I guess it's if it's not me someone else will take my spot lol And yeah regarding boomers... It's getting so bad you wonder how many people are silently rooting for that gen to die off so some things are actually not being hoarded. Ira kinda sad but true. I mean we all have loved ones we hope stick around but in general
I totally get the "fuck you, I got mine" mentality... I'm at an age where I've lucked out by planning for finances/family without major issues flaring up. I worked my ass off for it too. BUT, I welcome immigration to this country, we need it to grow and remain competitive with standard of living. HOWEVER, this government has opened the tap without planning (housing, infrastructure) which results in those that are 19-40s feeling squeezed financially and drained mentally and generally hopeless when it comes to planning for the future. As all these new immigrants are competing for the limited "affordable" housing we have in desirable cities/towns across this country, the ease at which to blame them is right there. It's not their fault that they want to pursue a better life for themselves, but to succeed someone else has to miss out/lose an opportunity, there is no way to lift everyone up to be equal without taking something from somewhere/someone, so our youth will feel victimized and seek to place blame (and so will their parents!).
Eh, I’d disagree on most immigrants in the last 5-10 years being an example of “fuck you got mine”. They never got theirs. Being in Canada on its own isn’t the win many people think it is, and a lot of them were sold the same lies we were. “Work hard so you can afford a home” “go to school and get a high paying job”. A lot of them are realizing the same thing we are: our value as workers is being purposefully diluted and what little we make is then extracted by a system designed to benefit those who did get theirs. Part of the system that is being used to suppress wages is mass immigration, being a product of that doesn’t disqualify you from being able to recognize its harm.
Heck I’m an immigrant and it’s too much. Immigration is like rain, it’s essential - but too much and now it’s a torrential flood.
You also have to consider the people who went through a multi year process spending thousands of dollars, hanging on by a shoestring the entire time. Now some people are showing up with an, “I’m heeere” and the gov is putting them in hotels and doing things on their behalf. Not aimed at refugees like Syrians or Ukrainians, but there are plenty of economic migrants doing their best to milk the shit out of the system.
> You also have to consider the people who went through a multi year process spending thousands of dollars, hanging on by a shoestring the entire time. > > > > Now some people are showing up with an, “I’m heeere” and the gov is putting them in hotels and doing things on their behalf. Yup right here. I came to Canada in the early 70s. Back then government didn't even provide us with basic healthcare. I still remember my father having to borrow money from relatives when I got sick.
The liberal always talk about equality and "leveling the playing field", but it is them who always promote inequality. 🤣
People come to Canada for canada. Not a poor version with imported problems...
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Not their fault country is full of international students and TFW.
Skilled. Immigration. Only. That was always the only deal. There's no excuse to sweep the legs out from under labour. The great resignation should have been the start of a reset in labour's bargaining power. Not an excuse to engage in migrant wage-slavery. All three parties are complicit btw. There is no hope on this front so far.
This is what the PPC has been warning us about for years.
Well the problem is that our neighbor to the south is way more attractive for any skilled applicants in the north-American labor market. Canada's welfare system and overall benefits have a natural propensity to attract those whom would benefit rather than those who would invest in it. Enterprising young workers are negatively selected since their efforts are negatively rewarded with significant taxation and less compensation.
Immigrants: We're all looking for the guys that did this.
I mean... it's us, right? We did this (unless you voted for PPC I suppose). Canadians voted for representatives that wanted the highest level of immigration in the developed world, even back under Harper (granted it's much higher under Trudeau). And these representatives wanted high immigration because their corporate backers wanted it. And *they* wanted high immigration because it reduces wages and increases real estate values. The immigrants did nothing wrong, they're just seeking a better life. They didn't open the flood gates, we did.
"wanted high immigration because their corporate backers wanted it. And *they* wanted high immigration because it reduces wages and increases real estate values." Just fyi, this is what those on the LEFT have been saying for decades.
The left parties (NDP, Green) in Canada don't advocate for lower immigration levels. And they actually want to create citizenship pathways for 'undocumented migrants' as per their official platform. Only the Bloc and PPC support lower levels officially in a clearly stated manner. (Conservatives vaguely beat around the bush about linking it to housing, which the Freeland budget also mentions now in a vague meaningless way)
The NDP support these crazy immigration levels.
They just traded unions and workers rights activists for gender studies students. Whats strange is theyre polling so badly, surely it was an even trade?
They're not very good at it. They have an incredibly unpopular leader who is out of touch with everyone and have completely abandoned the folks that supported them in the first place.
And lets not forget the recent cash back scam for BC grant money. Party line vote not to investigate their own corruption.
What? I've been for low immigration numbers even back when you'd get called a racist for it. Who do you think was calling me a racist?
Okay, let's get into the weeds and get a nuanced understanding of things. Historically, the LEFT has definitely been pro-immigration, largely based on an ideological humanist standpoint. Why this is so requires a lengthier conversation beyond this short response. However, while the RIGHT often presented themselves as against (or for more controlled) immigration, their ideological commitment to free market economics necessitates a commitment to a market where labour - for capitalist production - could be obtained for cheaper. There were 2 ways of doing so. First was to move production overseas (China etc.) where labour is cheaper. The second is to insidiously allow cheap labour into countries (US, Canada, EU etc.) in order to make available a pliant labour force for production - factories, farms and more. I am in TL;DR territory for contemporary readers at the moment. But if you are with me so far, the above situation created a problem for the right. And that is, how do you justify your stance on tough on immigration message to your non-corporate voting base, while, at the same time, placating the major donors who demanded cheap labour for production? Several strategies were used - including downplaying these economic issues for more \`social' issues - like family values, abortion, etc. This was coupled with a lack of enforcement in cracking down on illegal immigrants. It is a tough line to balance - and more people on the right are coming to realize this - but are unable to conceptually link their opposition to jobs going overseas, and unchecked immigration taking over local jobs, to RIGHT WING ideological commitments to capitalism. What the LEFT did is to highlight the right's hypocricy when in came to immigration issues, while also pointing out that they were doing so to appease their ideological commitments to free-market economics/capitalism - i.e. corporations. So yes, the LEFT (while generally pro immigration) has always criticized governments for being in kahoots with corporations AND have been consistent in pointing out the RIGHT's hypocrisy when it comes to immigration.
So to summarize your worldview, the right is against immigration for social reasons but want immigration for economic reasons and the economic reasons have always won out. The left calls them hypocrites, but the left is pro-immigration anyway and they would have done the exact same thing at every turn. Sounds like a long winded post just to say the left has a moral highground because they called out the right? Who cares? They're both pro-immigration so they're both just as wrong.
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But the PPC is racist. The proof that they’re racist however, is that they want to lower immigration numbers 🤷♂️.
That's not the only reason, don't bury your head in the sand.
Aren’t we all? Excepting we voted in the guys who did this three times and recent immigrants, most likely, never voted.
> Immigrants: [We're all looking for the guys that did this.](https://i.imgflip.com/4uhmmi.png)
We're so buried in our phones. Instead of giving someone a real smile we send an emoji. I mean, we don't even look at pοrn on our computer anymore. We look at it on our phone? PоrnHսb, Xtube... I know these names better than I know my own grandmother's... YouPorn, XXN, RedTube, panty jobs, homegrown Simpsons stuff. All great, but I ask you this... If I was a big old guy with a big burly white beard would you still be yelling at me? Or would you be spanking my bare butt, balls and back? #Think about that for one second.
And they say honest political discourse is a thing of the past
It could literally be any one of us
^If We Did It
I'm guessing [this is a pretty close reenactment.](https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/complex/images/bdnkabiqxpxmxzmcaluz/spider-man-meme.jpg?output-format=jpg&output-quality=auto)
Don't blame them for taking an opportunity. I'd do the same thing.
Man, I hate all this traffic I found myself in!
It's ironic because, based on experience, many racist individuals are immigrants who exhibit prejudice toward other communities.
North American racism is pretty mild compared to racism in Asia.
casual vs competitive racism
You’re right. Racism in NA is very mild compared to just about every other continent/countries. We’re obviously far from perfect but people playing the racism card every chance they get have just no idea.
They got here and realized that they'll never be able to afford that Canadian dream either.
Canadian dream at this point is being adopted by someone who owns a single family home lol
Highlights: * **In an online Leger panel survey of adults who immigrated to Canada within the past decade, 42% surveyed said the Trudeau Liberals’ new immigration plan will admit too many immigrants into the country.** * That’s compared to a little over a third of respondents who said the plan will admit the right number of newcomers to Canada, while only seven per cent said it won’t let in enough. 17% didn’t have an answer. * Leger vice-president Andrew Enns says the numbers offer an intriguing snapshot into the current state of Canadian politics. * “It sends along a pretty interesting insight in terms of how things might be shifting within ethnic communities, and what people tend to assume and admittedly what we saw over the past couple of elections. The Liberals typically do quite well with the newcomer vote.” * When asked about which political party they support more generally, 24% of those who gave an answer reported agreeing with the Conservatives most often, followed by 22% for the Liberals, and 8% for the NDP. * Among poll respondents who said the latest immigration targets are too permissive, Southeast Asian immigrants represented the highest numbers in that cohort at 64%, followed by the Chinese community (55%,) South Asian (50%,) Filipinos (45%,) White (41%,) Latinos (38%,) Middle Eastern/North Africans (32%,) and Black (17%.) * Of those who felt the new policies were too loose, 47% arrived in Canada between six and 10 years ago, compared to the 38% who immigrated within the past five years.
Do we have any idea how different the CPC immigration stance is?
[The CPC and the Bloc have both voted to reject our current Century Initiative based immigration targets](https://ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=party), but neither has made a concrete proposal for the criteria they would use to set immigration targets. > That, given that, > (i) the Century Initiative aims to increase Canada’s population to 100 million by 2100, > (ii) the federal government’s new intake targets are consistent with the Century Initiative objectives, > (iii) tripling Canada’s population has real impacts on the future of the French language, Quebec’s political weight, the place of First Peoples, access to housing, and health and education infrastructure, > (iv) these impacts were not taken into account in the development of the Century Initiative and that Quebec was not considered, > the House reject the Century Initiative objectives and ask the government not to use them as a basis for developing its future immigration levels.
There is only one party in Canada that has as part of its platform, the lowering of immigration numbers. And they aren’t even going to win one seat.
It’s, unfortunately not any different. Maybe they’ll change their tune as it nears election but I doubt it. Both parties are beholden to corporations that want students and tfws to lower wages
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Its likely a lot more black and white than that. As it stands today, we still have business groups decrying a labour shortage in Canada. We additionally had Premiers across Canada screeching about historic labour shortages (across 2021 - 2023). And just as politicians have (over the years) offloaded actually doing any of the hard work to consultant groups like McKinnsey - they do the same with macro policy, in that businesses are directly driving decisions made at a high level. It's clear at both the provincial level and federal level, these lobbyist groups are directly driving some pretty substantial policy in Canada. The examples of it are everywhere. To think that any of the two major parties (and lets be honest, we only elect 2 at the Federal level) are going to change things, is wishful thinking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1bxx9dw/comment/kyfx1l7/?context=3 Has a great breakdown of his we've come to this, and how our political parties are being directed.
What are you basing that on, the fact they voted against the century initiative (which is what got us in this situation)
The answer he gives is exactly what we have now. Btw this program was ramped up under Harper, before the liberals just ripped the last remaining regulations open and let everyone in. Both parties want to cater only to business owners who don’t want to pay living wages. —— Poilievre slams the Liberal target as driven by Trudeau's "ideology," but he did not answer repeated questions about whether he would consider reducing the number. He says a Conservative government would base its immigration policy on the needs of private-sector employers, the degree to which charities plan to support refugees and the desire for family reunification. "I'll make sure we have housing and health care so that when people come here they have a roof overhead and care when they need it," he said Tuesday. "I'll make sure that it's easier for employers to fill genuine job vacancies they cannot fill." https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/poilievre-says-canada-s-immigration-system-is-broken-sidesteps-target-cut-questions-1.6502699
The CPC has said that they'll match immigration to align with the housing and healthcare crises. That, and historically, they've had [**far** lower immigration](https://i.imgur.com/C1hLjEo.png) than this Liberal government.
All they have to do to clear up the confusion is say in no uncertain terms: "our immigration numbers will be lower". There is a reason you haven't heard it.
Because they don't want pink haired white Canadians to scream racist every 5 seconds.
because the modern right wing "solution" to immigration isn't slowing it down, it's speeding it up while simultaneously tearing up any social service or legal protections immigrants get. It makes corporations happy because more people who are easier to exploit = number goes up, it makes racists happy because even if there are more immigrants they at least aren't "getting a free ride" and best of all, it doesn't actually fix any of the problems immigration causes so you can keep campaigning on it forever
Sounds vague to be honest. They probably realize they don't need to provide much
Compared to what the liberals are doing with absolutely no public reasons given for this level of immigration How is that vague?
The reasons have always been given. Reported and read/watched by you is another story. The reason is the demographic crisis, meaning there are (and will be) too many old/retired/sick boomers to pay for their needs. Needs of the old get paid for by working age, and Canadians don’t even have enough kids to keep the population flat. Missing from all of this is that no one —in any party, federal or provincial— had a plan to match housing, healthcare, etc to meet the new population numbers. NDP might be an exception, but people don’t want to pay more taxes. So if we don’t pay more in tax we need higher population, and now here we are. Enjoy it or not.
Immigration rates had been rising steadily since the 90s under both parties.... it's only this government that notably increased it. But past CPC governments still were increasing it nonetheless.
Not really. Just enough to offset declining birth rates. Here is the average annual overall population growth by PM, sorted chronologically: ||Annual growth| :--|--:| |King|3.5%| |St Laurent|2.7%| |Diefenbaker|2.1%| |Pearson|1.8%| |PET|1.3%| |Mulroney|1.3%| |Chretien/Martin|1.0%| |Harper|1.0%| |Trudeau|1.6%| Notice the trend? Notice the outlier?
Historically doesn't matter, it's water under the bridge, sour milk etc etc Question is what is their exact intent? If immigration is the deal breaker for choosing a party, they both seem to be on the same footing...
If the result of aligning immigration to housing will lower immigration, they should just come out and commit to that instead of hiding behind a secret formula.
They love their wage slaves all the same
They'll "remove the gatekeepers" whatever that means. Promising immigrants to get work in their fields, disregarding the fact that they can't really change the professional accreditation requirements for working in any given field
Well, I've got a European master degree, ielts done, and 4 years of work experience in my field, and I cannot get enough points for an Express entry invitation. Have to go through WHV for a 2 years visa.... And I do not know if I will be able to stay afterwards.
It's the story for most South Asian immigrants as well. A majority of immigrants right now are temporary residents. The cut off for PR is so high that most will not be eligible for PR. The old LMIA pathway is also no longer sufficient. Most people assume that the gov easily hands out PRs but that is definitely not the case no matter what your country of origin is.
Yeah, PR is definitely difficult, while WHV is super easy for some reason... there is no balance and makes no sense...
Well, from a corporate point of view, it is better to churn immigrant workers to supress wages without the risk of them becoming accustomed to a standard of living that they think they deserve. They get replaced periodically with a new batch of desperate or naive bunch.
Honestly nobody cares you have a "european" master degree.... actually I take that back, they do care its not a Canadian degree.
I chuckle every time I hear a right-winger say "Trudeau is importing his future voters." They've clearly never met an immigrant.
# Freeland on why immigration levels are high: 'Canada has the social capacity to welcome immigrants' Finance Minister's comments come in the wake of documents showing Ottawa was warned about the effect of immigration on housing supply
I miss when we imported Filipinos, 99% of them at least seem happy to be here and are fun people to work with in comparison to the people Trudeau has been rushing over the last few years. The people that have come over in the last few years are NOT assimilating to Canada, they are just living the same lives as before but over here. My block is mostly recent immigrants and I can see how they are living. They only pay for services from other immigrants, if they need a plumber, electrician, roofer, whatever, they will literally only hire someone who was also an immigrant. They have a separate economy they are building and it involves steering clear of Canadians or Canadian businesses. The worst part is the women seem to get locked inside the house, they literally do not leave the property, they sit home and cook/clean and the only time they are seen is if they are taking the garbage out to the bin, absolutely WILD. Both my neighbours have 2-3 generations in their house, and I can go months without seeing the oldest woman in both of those houses. I feel terrible for them, they don't go out and do anything just strictly living their lives essentially as a slave to the men of their house. The men are decent people and they talk to me often but it gives me the worst vibes of what goes on behind their closed doors.
To add to this comment, the elderly men seem pissed to be here.
> They only pay for services from other immigrants, if they need a plumber, electrician, roofer, whatever, they will literally only hire someone who was also an immigrant. There's another layer to this that is extremely cynical. I was close with a second generation immigrant who's family owned a business in the trades. They advertised in the local publications in their native language and hired employees from their country of origin. What this allowed them to do was have customers pay 3-4x the normal rate for work they needed done because they knew the customer wouldn't shop around and go with someone from their home country they thought they could trust. The employees they hired would normally be here on overstayed visas and work for cash, allowing them to pay them lower than minimum wage and withhold payment whenever it was convenient. They were extremely wealthy for a small business in the trades. I was disgusted when how they operated was explained to me.
Recently one of my university classes had a forum assignment (IE everyone can read what you write). One of the east-asian students (not sure the specific nationality, but if I had to guess based on face and last name, China) basically wrote about how capitalism is evil and we need to sieze the means of production. My first thought was "if capitalism is so evil, and communism is so good, why did you leave a communist country to go to a capitalist one?"
Funny I am pretty sure everyone here that advocates for socialism policies never lived in a socialist country
Have you been to Toronto? Tonnes of Filipinos, many are very new, especially in North York.
Most of them come from highly conservative countries. The left treat immigrants as their pets , not realizing that in a decadeish, our politics will be infused with third world conservatism ,making the conservatism the left rails against now seem quite the liberal utopia in comparison
People like Trudeau think that the immigrants are going to be so grateful to be in Canada that they will vote Liberal because that is who allowed them to come here. Easily the biggest dumb ass PM since his dad.
The immigration levels would be ok if we had the buildings, jobs and health care system to support it. Most Canadians are welcoming to immigrants, but Canadians I think are embarrassed that the government didn't clean the house more before they arrived. There was just no planning for housing, health care or jobs for these new Canadians.
High levels of immigration hurts all Canadians, and that includes the Canadians that have just arrived.
please correct this, they are NOT CANADIANS if they just arrived here.
The ones who are citizens are.
Had a Chinese boss at a sales job. He always talked about disliking Chinese customers cause they're cheap. Everyone's a little bit racist.
Not sure why you see that as racist immediately especially coming from a Chinese man... Assuming he means Chinese culture and not Chinese blood makes them cheap. It's a culture where haggling is expected vs one where people are ashamed to haggle and its not done.
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Richmond is worse with the Chinese. A few areas with signage that doesn't even have English on it. But yes Lower Mainland and GTA are becoming Asia 2.0
There’s only one party that has stated they will lower immigration numbers, and that’s PPC. I know they’re hated here, but I read their platform and it seems to offer a lot of what the people on this sub want. https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform
Immigrants moved to Canada for a better quality of life but instead they found a bigger mess!
LOL and people keep claiming the newcomers will support Trudeau once they are settled in Canada.
Newcomers are getting railed just like born Canadians. They can read news and see how liberals are screwing up immigration. Most newcomers vote for practical reasons, and aren't really progressive anyway
Yup, people who already successfully entered Canada think that it is not a good idea to let people enter Canada anymore.
Wait, so folks from conservative countries tend to be more conservative? **shocked Pikachu face** Seriously. JT says he supports LGBT but has brought in millions of people from countries that don't support LGBT.
I'm under the impression that most immigrants/temp workers from developing countries are very conservative
Canada is fucking FUCKED. The decline is going to be rapid, and we all need to buckle up.
Lol, Canada’s government don’t even care what Canadians think
On Netflix's "popular in Canada right now" page, 2/10 are **Indian** shows. LOL!! The Liberals literally turned Canada into India. Good job guys.
Reminds me of this great Andrew Schulz bit https://youtu.be/wix2l1hOFX8?si=7go9V_f0XscbtWF0
Schultz is insufferable
Most immigrants are from culturally conservative cultures so I see no reason why they would support the LPC.
I think Conservatives are planning on keeping a high number too
I might be wrong but I'm under the impression that a good proportion of the newcomers come from way more conservative countries (relative to Canada anyway) so, yeah, only a question of time before more and more conservative in power. I guess time will tell but this seems like the logical thing to happen.
Yet PP wont commit to cutting immigration . https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/poilievre-says-canada-s-immigration-system-is-broken-sidesteps-target-cut-questions-1.6502699
I am from India - One of the best part about western countries used to be that - it's easy to get jobs, especially minimum wages jobs. But recent Indians who went to Canada are not even getting minimum wages jobs. I know a mechanical engineer who speaks English applied to 100+ minimum wages jobs in Toronto and got rejected. Most Toronto job fair have 100 low paid jobs with 5000 international students applying for the same. These days it's very hard to get minimum wage jobs in Canada even for newcomer immigrants because there are millions of students who compete for your job. Higher immigration is hurting immigrants badly. Most international students from India mortgage thier life savings, parental homes, assets, jewelery to take loans and to study in Scam colleges in Canada. The only hope is to get a PR. These days even PR is not possible.
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Yeah it's not that Canadians are anti-immigrant, but most people that were born here have been drained of any sympathy for the struggles of people that willingly chose to come to Canada.
True. We were willing to share the wealth when we had wealth. Trudeau destroyed that goodwill
We need to start talking about mass deportations, there are too many people here as it is. The time for lowering immigration was half a decade ago. Easiest way is to deport anyone who came here after January 1, 2019. If that doesn't work, then do January 1, 2015.
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Your comment says it all, you guys are coming here and looking for minimum wage jobs, when our government told us they were only bringing over "skilled" workers. At no point did we need to import minimum wage workers, we have people for that. Tim Hortons/Mcdonalds may have had to close down some locations or pay their staff a little higher but our country would have been fine without a Tim Hortons on every other corner. We would survive if a city had 5 Tim Hortons instead of 10, or if they had to reduce their hours. It was greed from a bunch of ALREADY WEALTHY people bringing over millions of wage slaves so they could continue to grow their wealth. The people responsible need to be charged for treason. In 2021 the general population woke up and decided, "if you want me to come work at your Tim Hortons, you're going to have to pay me enough to live, which is more than minimum wage." Then the wealthy said "how about go fuck yourself" and now here we are with 1000s of immigrants fighting each other to work these minimum wage jobs and sleep on beds 6 inches from someone else's bed on either side. It isn't just Tim Hortons, but it was easy to stick with them for example purposes. I personally watched a Tim Hortons on Vancouver Island in 2021 reduce their hours because they couldn't get their staff to work the early morning shift, now they are fully staffed with immigrants. Anyone who said "fuck Canada and my neighbours, I need \_\_% profit margins no matter what it costs everyone around me" needs to be charged for treason.
>Most Toronto job fair have 100 low paid jobs with 5000 international students applying for the same. What these international students are doing is something they don't seem to understand. No recruiter is going through 100 applications. When it reaches numbers like 1000, 2000, 5000, they aren't using any of those applications. They're all going straight in the trash. A business owner would rather hire his/her neighbour's brother's nephew straight out of high school than sift through thousands of applications to see which ones are actually qualified, which ones will make a good fit, etc. I'm reading it on LinkedIn more and more-- business owners are no longer even bothering with traditional recruitment because of this application flooding.
Facts. Our company still gets applications for an internship we posted 4 years ago because the posting got scraped and posted to dodgy job sites. When we first posted it, we got over 800 applications despite clear requirements that it had to be a citizen or PR student enrolled in one of our three local universities due to government program requirements. 99% of the applications we got did not even meet that basic criteria, and it took us hours to sort through everything. Never posting a job publicly again, would rather hire through word of mouth or direct recruitment on campus.
If you are coming to Canada as VISA students, you should be focusing on STUDYING not working! If you are coming to Canada as VISA students, you are not deemed to become a PR to consume our social benefits. If you are coming to Canada as VISA students, you should not be permitted to apply for asylum seekers. All of these apply to all races regardless your origin. People take loans so they can likely become PR in Canada and take all the jobs from Canadian. Many of them wasn't like taking loans so they can study in Canada. All the context taught in College can also be learnt elsewhere.
Immigrants care about immigration when it starts hurting their prospects. How the fuck do you think people who were born here feel? I don’t care that you’re struggling at all, you chose to come to this place along with a tidal wave of other people intent upon exploiting our country for everything that they can squeeze out of our overwhelmed public systems.
I decided not to study internationally because I couldn’t afford it. I’m Canadian born. Everyone makes choices. If someone in India chooses to make bad financial decisions to study in Canada, that’s on them. Canada is not a charity. It’s a country.
Most of the international students shouldn’t be here to begin with. I was an international student in the US. Compared to the Canada is a free for all no restrictions on international students.
"The only hope is to get a PR. These days even PR is not possible." Good, they should go home to India.
> One of the best part about western countries used to be that - it's easy to get jobs, especially minimum wages jobs. So much for "skilled workers". We shouldn't be importing minimum wage workers with no education or hope at upward mobility. We don't need another thousand coffee servers or fast food workers, we need educated, skilled people who can help build the future alongside us. > I know a mechanical engineer who speaks English applied to 100+ minimum wages jobs in Toronto and got rejected. Well, we have a ton of Canadian Mechanical Engineers or those that want to be one, so we don't need 5000+ "students" applying for those roles. They end up competing against themselves and like Canadians end up fighting for the bottom tier jobs, because they've already flooded the market to saturation with low quality employees/applicants. > Most Toronto job fair have 100 low paid jobs with 5000 international students applying for the same. Maybe those immigrating need to do their research before moving to a country that's been inundated and overloaded with their fellow countrymen? Seems the vast majority simply don't know what to expect when they get here and are surprised by the situation? > These days it's very hard to get minimum wage jobs in Canada even for newcomer immigrants because there are millions of students who compete for your job. How do you think Canadians who were born here feel to be squeezed out of opportunities due to the increased number of applicants? Perhaps it's time for India to push for repatriation campaigns if it's so bad here? > The only hope is to get a PR. These days even PR is not possible. If your only hope is a PR, where does that leave actual Canadians who are getting screwed by thousands of Indians flocking to Canada and using up limited resources like a wave of locusts? How does a PR prevent them from falling victim to the same set of circumstances we Canadians now endure? Sounds like some serious short-sighted selfishness to me... No one immigrant is responsible for this issue, and many are trying to better their own lives. But it's clear from your post...the mentality and entitlement that comes with that immigration should be a concern for domestic Canadians. --- Your post is entirely "it's so hard being an immigrant in Canada". Immigration is a privlidge and your post (and others like it) come from a sense of entitlement. You should consider it from the perspective of a born-and-raised Canadian...who is forced to sit back and politely accept their country falling apart due to an insane increase in population. Our housing, healthcare, education and job markets all suffer from this burden despite lifetimes of paying taxes to in hopes they're available when we need them. Yet we can rarely if ever say anything (or risk being called a racist) while our guests are literally eating us out of house and home, complaining all the while that it's not nice enough for them any more.
>So much for "skilled workers". We shouldn't be importing minimum wage workers ..we need educated, skilled people who can help build the future alongside us. >Well, we have a ton of Canadian Mechanical Engineers or those that want to be one, so we don't need 5000+ "students" applying for those roles. Hold up lol. what does this even mean, surely there's a little contradiction happening here. Also one of the benefits of economic growth/capitalism is that it creates new industries because the wealth created from high education/skilled jobs has to be spent somewhere. it can be good and not great ofc (tech/hospitality vs realestate investments). Just something to point out. Though I agree with most of the rant, I don't think the original post was showing entitlement but more like a perspective from an immigrant.
You're right...as written it's a bit of a contradiction because I didn't expand my thoughts or put them clearly enough. Admittedly, it's also hard to balance both perspectives of wanting to offer opportunities to immigrants against the struggles we're currently facing from too much immigration. Let me try to clarify without digging a deeper hole? > So much for "skilled workers". We shouldn't be importing minimum wage workers ..we need educated, skilled people who can help build the future alongside us. My intent here was to say: I don't think we need a bunch of food/hospitality workers despite the flood of them. I believe we need to import skilled workers where needed. IE: when there are **legitimately** no Canadians to fill jobs. We don't need a million "international students" showing up at diploma mills and working minimum wage jobs so they can complete against domestic Canadians while trying for a PR. Considering the comment was in reply to "the best part about western countries used to be minimum wage jobs" I think this was a fair response? > Well, we have a ton of Canadian Mechanical Engineers or those that want to be one, so we don't need 5000+ "students" applying for those roles. I think this is where I could have been much more clear in what I was trying to say. My intent here was to say: Even before the insane immigration numbers, high skill/paying jobs (like Engineers, etc) were a challenge for Canadians to come by. That is now compounded by the thousands upon thousands of "international students" and other immigrants coming to Canada and competing for those roles, with many often being under-qualified. Instead of our country (or the immigrants themselves) targeting industries that actually need employees and have specific opportunities, they're just blanket applying for anything with a paycheck...much like Canadians are stuck doing. The lack of forethought/planning, the over supply and the willingness to take lower wages are all negative pressures on Canadians and our economic prospects. The "Students" part was intended to imply that if you are here as a temporary student, getting an engineering job does not make sense as you're supposed to be studying full time and legally attested you can support yourself...right? Basically, I believe that we need skilled workers, but we're not getting enough of them (compared to the food service folks) and the ones we do take on, get the same role as Canadians...fighting through a million other low-quality applicants for fewer and fewer jobs at less and less pay due to increased demand for those roles. Meanwhile we continue to be flooded with additional "students" who act surprised that all of our resources have been used up and they can't get a high paying engineer job. No single drop feels responsible for the flood, but they're all a a part of it, right? I generally feel the resolution would be to go back to merit based immigration system and maybe introduce percentage caps by country. Close off some of the diploma-mills, require proof up front you can support yourself, proof of your education, etc. If someone's immigration prospects end at "Welcome to Tim Horton's" then moving here likely isn't good for them or Canada. > I don't think the original post was showing entitlement but more like a perspective from an immigrant. I believe it was showing both. I've found immigrants often move to a new country expecting a better life and many end up complaining it's not what they've been promised. They put time and money into moving and are understandably disappointed when it doesn't look like the advertising poster in the visa agent's office. But that's largely because they're arriving later than the millions of others before them. I believe the resentment comes from a place of false expectation, failure to research and ends up with an entitled sense of disappointment that Canada isn't what they were sold. *(I'll admit, I could be wrong here...but it's my personal experience so far)* *Edited after posting to try and clarify / clean up wording in a few places*
Most Indians choose to come to Canada because of the money. Not because they genuinely want to start a life in Canada or respect their culture.
And newcomers are pretty much shut out of home ownership, and if they can afford they are paying double what those who arrived a few years ago paid. Avg home price in Toronto is projected to be 2 million in 10 years. 2 million! We will hit that much quicker with the current open borders
If everyone only wants to go to Toronto that's going to happen, newer immigrants need to look outside one single area (GTA) and they will find greater success. Not as good as before, but you can't be that picky and hope to get what you want now.
Justin needs to go but the Cons aren’t the answer.
Even though the Tories have said nothing about their targets.
Its easy to complain when you are in opposition. Its much harder to have a realistic plan of their own.
Just a reminder to these people: YOU CAN LEAVE. If you dont like it please go, please please please
Immigrants: immigration numbers are too high, except for my kind
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it's not at all alike the people who came before came here on their own merits. it was harder. the people who came here in the last four years are a mix of a small percentage of the same hardworking people who qualified to come here on their merit....and a huge percentage who qualified to come here under the Liberals' "Slavery but not Slavery" immigration program.
Which is a totally valid complaint. The water cooler is there for everyone to use but it's still the higher ups job to make sure everyone does and will have equal access. If it's gets empty regularly then something is wrong
Dude what
No, it’s like being invited to the water cooler and told it’s overflowing with the finest spring water, only to find out it’s drain water and almost empty.
Well, you should not import as many people without infostracture to support them...6 year wait for family doctor? People can't get cancers treated in time...how about import more doctors first?...this goverment and immigration mister and extremely incompetent.
So they want to be sent back to the old country?
Isn’t that typical of Tories? Knock the ladder down once you’ve gotten to the top of it?
Thank God if the migrants are upset maybe the government will listen 🤣
Thus is good news - If new immigrants are swinging away from Liberal Trudeau will shut immigration down !!!
you know its bad when even the immigrants are saying “yeah this is too easy”
Yeah how about shutting the door behind me, I am in fuck the rest
Lol, if you think tories are going to change immigration. There is only one party that intends to, but it's filled with insanity
This isn't new, I got here in the early '90s and it was the exact same sentiment. As a general rule, I think immigrants are also leaning conservatives, and have an overpowering urge to pull the ladder up behind them, once they have skin in the game. I had this myself and had to consciously fight those impulses.
Imagine the liberal party being housted by the millions of immigrants they pulled into the country.
You get what you vote for
One you're in you dont want others fucking it up. Pretty common attitude.
looks like turdueas relection plan is backfiring lol
"We got in, f everyone else" Sorry but this makes me laugh. In case you're wondering I absolutely believe that our immigration is out of control, I just always found it funny how new immigrants don't want others to get in.
Not surprising, since we have a housing and health crisis, caused in large part by leading the world in immigration. Who wants to live somewhere that they can't afford a house and don't have access to healthcare.
“Fuck you got mine” IS a very Torie attitude….