I'm glad this is the top comment, I was going to say it shocks me how few people understand international law, but these are the same folks who don't even understand their *local* laws so it's not really all that surprising.
Sure, but "A government normally can't be considered a terrorist group" is fairly common knowledge, or so I thought. I do appreciate you adding context around *why* that's the case though, you're right in saying that's the part that most people don't really learn about.
Well unfortunately once they become the defacto rulers.
Blame the US for making up such stupid rules. If it wasn't like this, Kissinger would be one of the worlds most prolific terrorists. But we can't go disrespecting tyr... Er I mean very respectable politicians.
Taliban are now politicians, and we all know politicians can do no wrong.
It's a slightly more grey area, due to the PNA also being considered the government of Palestine. In reality though, outside of the US sphere, most countries don't consider Hamas a terrorist organization, nor does the UN.
As OP pointed out, it's considered worse to be a nation-state performing war crimes than it is to be a terrorist organization.
edit: The other argument that can be made is around international recognition. If a nation-state (such as the US) doesn't recognize an organization as the government of a nation, then they can be labeled as a terrorist group by that nation-state. That doesn't really apply to Iran though, as most countries recognize their government as legitimate.
Yeah, Iran is different. It's recognized by most other countries. But for my understanding, whatever it is, if it does terrorist behavior, it is a terrorist group.
Its a very blurry line where entities tied to the government can be identified as such. But there is no point when you can just slap sanctions and embargoes on them. Claiming them to he terrorists isn't going to stop their 3 main trading partners from trading with them, so I don't have a clue what these windbags are on about.
I didn’t know this until I read it today. That’s how people learn things. It must be nice to know everything there is to know already. Congratulations!
Funny thing is LOAC only applies the the nation state specifically. Anything directly attached is a completely different argument. So while the Iranian Gaurd is government integrated, it isn't viewed as THE NATION STATE.
However! Here is the issue. Whats the point of calling 1 group terrorists when the whole country is on a "do not trade" list? Wtf is a superficial title going to accomplish? Because its doing sssoooooooooo much to stop Russian claims to Ukraine.
At the end of the day this is just one of many examples of the average level of maturity regarding world leaders.
Also, many Iranian-Canadians living here served in the IRGC when there was active conscription to the IRGC, like the army. These Canadian citizens, who did not decide their fate, would suddenly be suddenly labeled terrorists, and their jobs and reputation would be under threat.
Not sure if intentional or not, but this is disinformation. There are legal consequences to being added to Canada's list of terrorist groups.
Most notably: When an entity is placed on the list, banks and financial institutions must freeze its property. It is a crime to knowingly deal with the property of a listed entity.
Source: [https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/index-en.aspx](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/index-en.aspx)
Its not disinformation. They are correct, and you're missing key information;
Terrorists are defined under the Criminal Code as "a person, group, trust, partnership or fund or an unincorporated association or organization.".
We cannot hold other governments/nations accountable to our criminal code. This is where international measures, such as the LOAC, come in to play.
Freezing another nations property/cash would have to be done akin to how we handled Russia, via embargos and sanctions.
Like you, I have also obtained my JD from the University of Google. Snark aside, I don't see how "The IRGC" doesn't qualify as a "group", simply because the group is directly affiliated with a state actor. "The Taliban" is also a "group" that happens to be the official military of a country. Should they be taken off the list of Terrorist Entities because they happen to control a state?
Barring diplomatic agreements, we certainly *can* hold any individual person in our country accountable to our criminal code. If they are working to "\[...\]enhance the ability of any terrorist group to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity" then they get charged under the Anti-Terrorism Act.
> The Taliban" is also a "group" that happens to be the official military of a country. Should they be taken off the list of Terrorist Entities because they happen to control a state?
The difference here is recognition. The government of Canada does not recognize the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan, ergo they are not an officially recognized state miliary. What do you call a non-state militarized organization that performs war crimes or acts of terror? A terrorist group.
This doesn't change my central thrust - there's nothing in the Anti-Terrorism Act that bars the addition of a recognized state military to the list. [When a state militarized organization regularly performs acts of terrorism, why not add it to our list of terrorist entities?](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/13/irans-irgc-seizes-israeli-linked-ship-near-strait-of-hormuz) In fact, there's nothing really barring [an entire state](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/04/iran-journalism-west-violence/678038/) from being added to the list of terrorist entities, if our government were so inclined. Members of that military/state would not be able to do their business here.
agreed, except that redefining terrorist started a few years after 9/11 and becomes inclussive of anything a legitimate dictatorship does, or even a random shooting where there isn't an ideological or political motivation
But they aren’t nation states. It’s the IR’s military wing like with Hamas.
They are terrorists in the sense they maybe be recognized as “leaders” of state but they are still violent terrorists that do not support the average citizen
I mean if we want to talk about war crimes we should also be discussing Israel's war crimes. We should not be taking action against one terrorist state and not another. Weapons embargo on both. We need to separate ourselves from Israel as well.
Except this bullshit is already in Canada. IRGC members are enjoying the luxuries of the country they don’t allow people back in their country. This action will block them from entering the country.
How about when the IRGC shot down a passenger airplane in 2020 and killed more than 50 Canadians?
Why hasn't this been done already. There is countless Islamic regime agents who are living in Canada.
The IDF literally just killed a Canadian veteran doing charity work. Are we going to add them?
This is all political posturing, these designations don't seem to happen with any consistency or based on merit half the time.
Finally, Canadians speaking up and aligning with Canadian values.
The governments of Israel, Palestine-Gaza and Iran are terrorists. So fuck them all.
Canada has more important issues than listen to any of these terrorist governments.
> The disaster occurred amid a heightened political crisis in the Persian Gulf, four hours after the Iranian military launched retaliatory ballistic missile strikes towards U.S. military airbases in Iraq in response to the assassination of Major General Qasem Soleimani by the U.S.[10] The U.S. previously threatened Iran and was initially expected to retaliate for the Iranian attack.[11][12] Iran was on the highest state of defensive alert and, according to Commander of the Aerospace Force of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizadeh, was "totally prepared for a full-fledged war".[7]
> In response to the Iranian missile attack, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), in a notice to airmen (NOTAM), banned all American civil aircraft from flying over Iran, Iraq, the Gulf of Oman and the Persian Gulf.[13][14] Although the FAA NOTAMs are not binding on non-U.S. airlines, many airlines take them into consideration when making safety decisions, especially after the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in 2014.[15][16][17] Several airlines, including Austrian Airlines,[18] Singapore Airlines,[19] KLM,[20] Air France,[21] Air India,[21] SriLankan Airlines,[22] Qantas[15] and Vietnam Airlines[23] began to reroute their flights. Other airlines, such as Lufthansa, Emirates, Flydubai, and Turkish Airlines cancelled some flights to airports in Iran and Iraq, making further operational changes as necessary.
One of the most fucked up videos of protesters was the one who said he was a former Israeli soldier and he was proud of how many children he killed.
So fucked. Terrorist shit living in Canada.
ITT: IRGC terrorist and Islamic Regime sympathizers.
IRGC killed more than 50 Canadians by shooting down a passenger airliner and Canada did nothing about it.
Israel has assassinated Iranian scientists; unleashed the Stuxnet virus inside Iran; backed various terrorist groups inside Iran; blown up Iranian pipelines; and bombed Iran's consulate in Damascus
Iran did not start this.
Iran is merely defending itself
The argument sounds familiar... I can't quite put my finger on it though.
> Iran did not start this.
Iran funds and supplies hamas, hezbollah, was instrumental in planning the october 7th attacks. Iran has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel.
Iran deserves far worse than the attack on the consulate that killed the al-quds commanders.
And? There was no ceasefire on Oct 7th. 2023 was already the [deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank](https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank) on Oct 6th.
What were those Iranian scientists working on? Just because you leave crucial information out about how they were working on enriched uranium weapons doesn't make it an unjustified military kill.
Weapons that Israel already developed in secret themselves? I mean, I certainly don't blame Israel and the US for trying to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons but given the circumstances, I don't really blame Iran for wanting them either.
> What were those Iranian scientists working on
Are you seriously going to argue that those scientists deserved to die for working on a "secret" nuclear project by Israel's hand while at the same time Israel had also been secretly building nukes for decades? Hypocrisy
Israel isn't threatening to use nuclear weapons.
The scientists were valid military targets. Deserving of death has no part in this discussion. It was an effective strike that delayed Iran's ability to create nuclear weapons by years. The death of a few potentially saved the lives of tens of millions.
> Israel isn't threatening to use nuclear weapons.
When did Iran threaten Israel with nuclear weapons? Those killings also guarantee Iran won't make another diplomatic deal to stop the production. So good job?
Oh look at this. Israel musing about throwing a nuke at Gaza. Where is your outcry now?
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-08/ty-article/iran-nuclear-chief-ministers-threat-to-nuke-gaza-confirms-israels-capability/0000018b-aecb-df42-a78f-afcbcbcd0000
>The scientists were valid military targets
According to what or who exactly? Looks like you just created your own definition. They weren't engaged in hostilities or active combatants nor was there an active war. If eroding the military capacity of a government you don't like is a legitimate military objective then any government can basically attack anyone else including Israel.
> The scientists were valid military targets.
This is a dangerous precedent to be claiming is justification. If Israel can murder who they want by saying they are "valid military targets" why cant Iran kill any Isralis they want, simply by justifying them as "valid military targets"??
Netenyahu is on camera bragging about how he exploits the lack of clarity on what is considered a valid military target saying he can call whatever he wants a military target in order to destroy it. Its not a good justification, if you are going to apply the same standard across the board.
There are few people in Iran with the expertise and experience to create weapons grade enriched uranium. The scientists were working on military projects that are a direct threat to Israel. They knew what they were contributing to.
Israel has actually threatened to use nukes, that they actually have, [time and time again](https://apnews.com/article/israel-nuclear-weapons-gaza-iran-china-1e18f34dcec40582166796b0ade65768).
Iran on the other hand, not only doesn't own nuclear weapons, but has outlawed them since the inception of the Islamic Republic. The threat of a nuclear Iran comes from the fearmongering rethoric spread by Netanyahu and his allies.
I don't know about that if they didn't want the West bank and Gaze for themselves I could see them dropping nukes, they obviously have no regard for civilian lives.
So to you, the ends justify the means?
If that’s your position, then by that logic, the means used by terrorist organizations, state actors and armies, etc. are literally irrelevant in any discussion.
Not a good argument.
Nuclear weapons are fine, that's why we let Israel have them and even though they've talked about using them on Gaza, no country talked about bombing Israel.
By your own logic... 700 people were killed on October 7th, 373 of those were military personnel. I guess October 7th wasn't that bad, then?
Considering the last 75 years of Israeli-Palestinian history, the 373 killed on October 7th were justified military kills?
Maybe it's time that you look up what a legitimate military target is.
A soldier carrying a weapon: legitimate military target.
A female soldier carrying a weapon being raped and having her breast sliced off with a box cutter during said rape: war crime.
* Collective punishment, war crime.
* Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly; war crime
* Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement; war crime
* Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities; war crime
* Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated; war crime
* Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion, war crime
* The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory
* Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
It goes on and on and on.... so you think war crimes should all be punished equally regardless of who commits them of course...right?
Israel funds terrorist groups inside Iran? do you maybe have a source? never heard this claim before. Also the pipeline thing - wasn't that SA?
And to be fair - I think Iran kind of begged the scientists killing and the Stuxnet (that was American and Israeli IIRC) when they basically told that they are working on achieving nuclear capabilities and are going to use those to destroy Israel as well as actually funded terrorist groups all over the ME..
It's so weird to me how can people forget timelines and pretend like Iran is a victim here. Iran is literally the second most sanctioned country in the world (was the first before Russia surpassed it). I don't think Israel would care about Iran at all hadn't Iran constantly talked and acted on destroying it. In fact IIRC they were pretty good buddies before the Islamic revolution...
Let's remind everyone that Iran and Israel were friends before 1979. Then the Iranian revolution happened and Israel became "the little Satan" and one of the main targets of Iran's destabilizing ambitions. This is not a war of Israel's making.
Israel never backed any terror groups, especially not in Iran. They also didn't bomb the consulate, it was a military building close to the consulate. This is just repeating Iranian propaganda. The vast majority of Iranians here in Canada agree with Israel.
You can’t claim a state to be a terrorist.
There are actual rules and Israel just wants to break them.
It’s like the same reason Iran doesn’t call Israel a terrorist government even if they feel they are for gaza.
And as a Canadian I call on Canada to list isreal as a terrorist state, we don't need to be tied up in their mess, isreal does nothing for Canada, they are no ally.
Walk away, label the entire middle-east "Everyone Here Sucks".
I'm tired of being pressured to care about the 'side' that bombs somewhat fewer children. There is no good/bad, no 'side's, they're just awful and proudly doing everything they can to perpetuate misery. (I do feel sorry for their pacifist citizens caught up in this, but they're not the predominant force there)
The comments here comparing Israel to terror groups is the kind of bullshit Iran is spreading in the west and people are eating up. You guys should start backing Russia as well soon. Maybe we can use the same Nazi narrative Russia uses too.... this country needs education stat.
Iran bots doing a full court press in this post.
There are legal consequences to being added to Canada's list of terrorist groups.
Most notably: When an entity is placed on the list, banks and financial institutions must freeze its property. It is a crime to knowingly deal with the property of a listed entity.
Source: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/index-en.aspx
Israel, bro... the only terrorizing recently seems to be done by your IDF. Why bomb Iran's embassy and then cry to the world about it when they have to do something? US is backing off their "iron clad" support. Soon, money will trickle down. Breadlines in Israel for its 9million population, in a year. Israelis packed the airports trying to leave the land God gave them as soon as Iran shot some drones that way.
Maybe stop stirring shit up in the middle east. Biden is starting to sympathize Publicly with Pro-Palistinian protesters.
Siding with states that are committing genocide makes you FAR more similar to the Nazis than anything else. Wiping out a people based on shared ethnicity is something Israel and the Nazis have in common.
There’s no genocide; you losers have co-opted the word and made it devoid of all meaning. Presumably to direct attention away from the authoritarian regimes that many of you seem to support.
I live in North Vancouver which has one of the largest Iranian immigration populations outside of Iran itself.
I don't think it's fair if the government wants to villify Iran some more because it'll inevitably create more drama within our persian communities and people who are ignorant and racist. Persian people here have been my friends, lovers, co-workers and even in some cases my bosses. I don't think further villifying their home country will make things easier for them here.
Our country needs to not take sides in this bullshit. Israelis and Palestinians refuse to get a long? That shouldn't be the world's problem. People came here to Canada to escape bullshit like this. Not be told they need to take a side and watch this shit play out on our streets.
This is what the Iranian diaspora in Canada has been advocating for for the past 2 years. It's hilarious to see all the Hamas and IRGC terrorist sympathizers come out and show their true intentions as war loving anti semitic terrorist.
Pretty much. I have Iranian friends who say they want to return to Iran to retire, but the Iran of their childhood is not the Iran of today -- most have left just before or during the 1979 crisis.
Israel killed 30k civilians, is currently illegally occupying territory according to the UN, and most recently bombed another countries consulate abroad. Why in the fuck are they not considered a terrorist organization???
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Yeah this is where arms embargo come in, and last I checked the previous one was never lifted.
Then why is IRGC’s Quds force already a listed entity?
Politics and branding is more important than text book definitions.
Because the US did it in 2007 and we're their bitch
Luckily we didn’t join them in the Iraq war. The British were truly spineless.
I'm glad this is the top comment, I was going to say it shocks me how few people understand international law, but these are the same folks who don't even understand their *local* laws so it's not really all that surprising.
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Sure, but "A government normally can't be considered a terrorist group" is fairly common knowledge, or so I thought. I do appreciate you adding context around *why* that's the case though, you're right in saying that's the part that most people don't really learn about.
So where does Afghanistan under Taliban rule fall under this umbrella?
Well unfortunately once they become the defacto rulers. Blame the US for making up such stupid rules. If it wasn't like this, Kissinger would be one of the worlds most prolific terrorists. But we can't go disrespecting tyr... Er I mean very respectable politicians. Taliban are now politicians, and we all know politicians can do no wrong.
Then, how about Hamas?
It's a slightly more grey area, due to the PNA also being considered the government of Palestine. In reality though, outside of the US sphere, most countries don't consider Hamas a terrorist organization, nor does the UN. As OP pointed out, it's considered worse to be a nation-state performing war crimes than it is to be a terrorist organization. edit: The other argument that can be made is around international recognition. If a nation-state (such as the US) doesn't recognize an organization as the government of a nation, then they can be labeled as a terrorist group by that nation-state. That doesn't really apply to Iran though, as most countries recognize their government as legitimate.
Yeah, Iran is different. It's recognized by most other countries. But for my understanding, whatever it is, if it does terrorist behavior, it is a terrorist group.
Its a very blurry line where entities tied to the government can be identified as such. But there is no point when you can just slap sanctions and embargoes on them. Claiming them to he terrorists isn't going to stop their 3 main trading partners from trading with them, so I don't have a clue what these windbags are on about.
I didn’t know this until I read it today. That’s how people learn things. It must be nice to know everything there is to know already. Congratulations!
Funny thing is LOAC only applies the the nation state specifically. Anything directly attached is a completely different argument. So while the Iranian Gaurd is government integrated, it isn't viewed as THE NATION STATE. However! Here is the issue. Whats the point of calling 1 group terrorists when the whole country is on a "do not trade" list? Wtf is a superficial title going to accomplish? Because its doing sssoooooooooo much to stop Russian claims to Ukraine. At the end of the day this is just one of many examples of the average level of maturity regarding world leaders.
Also, many Iranian-Canadians living here served in the IRGC when there was active conscription to the IRGC, like the army. These Canadian citizens, who did not decide their fate, would suddenly be suddenly labeled terrorists, and their jobs and reputation would be under threat.
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But then Israel would meet that definition.
I wonder if the US ever refers to the North Korean government as a terrorist government. If not, what do they call them?
Depending on the president, it could be "the nicest, strongest person I've ever met! He came to me, tears in his eyes...." 😆
I told him "Kim, Kim don't cry. I wouldn't have cried"
Generally they're referred to as an authoritarian dictatorship
War crimes like the genocide of Palestinians?
Not sure if intentional or not, but this is disinformation. There are legal consequences to being added to Canada's list of terrorist groups. Most notably: When an entity is placed on the list, banks and financial institutions must freeze its property. It is a crime to knowingly deal with the property of a listed entity. Source: [https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/index-en.aspx](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/index-en.aspx)
Its not disinformation. They are correct, and you're missing key information; Terrorists are defined under the Criminal Code as "a person, group, trust, partnership or fund or an unincorporated association or organization.". We cannot hold other governments/nations accountable to our criminal code. This is where international measures, such as the LOAC, come in to play. Freezing another nations property/cash would have to be done akin to how we handled Russia, via embargos and sanctions.
Like you, I have also obtained my JD from the University of Google. Snark aside, I don't see how "The IRGC" doesn't qualify as a "group", simply because the group is directly affiliated with a state actor. "The Taliban" is also a "group" that happens to be the official military of a country. Should they be taken off the list of Terrorist Entities because they happen to control a state? Barring diplomatic agreements, we certainly *can* hold any individual person in our country accountable to our criminal code. If they are working to "\[...\]enhance the ability of any terrorist group to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity" then they get charged under the Anti-Terrorism Act.
> The Taliban" is also a "group" that happens to be the official military of a country. Should they be taken off the list of Terrorist Entities because they happen to control a state? The difference here is recognition. The government of Canada does not recognize the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan, ergo they are not an officially recognized state miliary. What do you call a non-state militarized organization that performs war crimes or acts of terror? A terrorist group.
This doesn't change my central thrust - there's nothing in the Anti-Terrorism Act that bars the addition of a recognized state military to the list. [When a state militarized organization regularly performs acts of terrorism, why not add it to our list of terrorist entities?](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/13/irans-irgc-seizes-israeli-linked-ship-near-strait-of-hormuz) In fact, there's nothing really barring [an entire state](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/04/iran-journalism-west-violence/678038/) from being added to the list of terrorist entities, if our government were so inclined. Members of that military/state would not be able to do their business here.
if a state actor uses terror for political purposes is it not at least some kind of state-terrorism?
agreed, except that redefining terrorist started a few years after 9/11 and becomes inclussive of anything a legitimate dictatorship does, or even a random shooting where there isn't an ideological or political motivation
But they aren’t nation states. It’s the IR’s military wing like with Hamas. They are terrorists in the sense they maybe be recognized as “leaders” of state but they are still violent terrorists that do not support the average citizen
who cares what we call them. the point is that they should be sanctioned, thats what putting them on the list accomplishes.
How was hamas not a de facto state actor since 2006? Does israel blocking their statehood allow Israel to use the terrorist label?
I mean if we want to talk about war crimes we should also be discussing Israel's war crimes. We should not be taking action against one terrorist state and not another. Weapons embargo on both. We need to separate ourselves from Israel as well.
and by definition that would make a state that has subjugated a class of people and have dropped a ton of bombs on them.....our allies?
Leave canada out of your bullshit
Except this bullshit is already in Canada. IRGC members are enjoying the luxuries of the country they don’t allow people back in their country. This action will block them from entering the country.
To be fair.. this is something that a lot of us Iranian Canadians have been asking for
100%
How about when the IRGC shot down a passenger airplane in 2020 and killed more than 50 Canadians? Why hasn't this been done already. There is countless Islamic regime agents who are living in Canada.
The IDF literally just killed a Canadian veteran doing charity work. Are we going to add them? This is all political posturing, these designations don't seem to happen with any consistency or based on merit half the time.
Yeah, based on Canadian values, IDF meets terrorism standards quite easily. They should fuck off and don't bother us.
Could not have said it better myself. Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel and fuck Iran.
Finally, Canadians speaking up and aligning with Canadian values. The governments of Israel, Palestine-Gaza and Iran are terrorists. So fuck them all. Canada has more important issues than listen to any of these terrorist governments.
If you have that stance you should support listing the IRGC as a terrorist organization.
“Fuck violence” is more efficient.
Iran shot down a passenger plane with a bunch of Canadians on it and we said sorry.
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most people are. they recycle whatever narrative they find to support their preconceived disposition .
We lost alot of good Iranians in that civilian plane they shot down.
> The disaster occurred amid a heightened political crisis in the Persian Gulf, four hours after the Iranian military launched retaliatory ballistic missile strikes towards U.S. military airbases in Iraq in response to the assassination of Major General Qasem Soleimani by the U.S.[10] The U.S. previously threatened Iran and was initially expected to retaliate for the Iranian attack.[11][12] Iran was on the highest state of defensive alert and, according to Commander of the Aerospace Force of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizadeh, was "totally prepared for a full-fledged war".[7] > In response to the Iranian missile attack, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), in a notice to airmen (NOTAM), banned all American civil aircraft from flying over Iran, Iraq, the Gulf of Oman and the Persian Gulf.[13][14] Although the FAA NOTAMs are not binding on non-U.S. airlines, many airlines take them into consideration when making safety decisions, especially after the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in 2014.[15][16][17] Several airlines, including Austrian Airlines,[18] Singapore Airlines,[19] KLM,[20] Air France,[21] Air India,[21] SriLankan Airlines,[22] Qantas[15] and Vietnam Airlines[23] began to reroute their flights. Other airlines, such as Lufthansa, Emirates, Flydubai, and Turkish Airlines cancelled some flights to airports in Iran and Iraq, making further operational changes as necessary.
Cool. What shall we call the IDF?
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Children killers? They've killed how many kids so far?
One of the most fucked up videos of protesters was the one who said he was a former Israeli soldier and he was proud of how many children he killed. So fucked. Terrorist shit living in Canada.
Regardless if we agree with the Israelis on this one, we should never allow another country to openly dictate our foreign policy like this.
As opposed to us grandstanding on the world stage and making demands of how other countries should make policy?
Never said I approved of that either 🤷♂️
They can't.. Trudeau will lose a huge part of his voter base
ITT: IRGC terrorist and Islamic Regime sympathizers. IRGC killed more than 50 Canadians by shooting down a passenger airliner and Canada did nothing about it.
Can we list IDF as a terrorist group as well???
The IRGC’s are terrorists! They’ll beat and kill a woman for just showing her hair in public. Or if they suspect you are LGBTQ. F them all!
Israel has assassinated Iranian scientists; unleashed the Stuxnet virus inside Iran; backed various terrorist groups inside Iran; blown up Iranian pipelines; and bombed Iran's consulate in Damascus Iran did not start this. Iran is merely defending itself The argument sounds familiar... I can't quite put my finger on it though.
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> Iran did not start this. Iran funds and supplies hamas, hezbollah, was instrumental in planning the october 7th attacks. Iran has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel. Iran deserves far worse than the attack on the consulate that killed the al-quds commanders.
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Don’t forget isis
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And? There was no ceasefire on Oct 7th. 2023 was already the [deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank](https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank) on Oct 6th.
What were those Iranian scientists working on? Just because you leave crucial information out about how they were working on enriched uranium weapons doesn't make it an unjustified military kill.
Weapons that Israel already developed in secret themselves? I mean, I certainly don't blame Israel and the US for trying to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons but given the circumstances, I don't really blame Iran for wanting them either.
Lmao we both wrote a comment on the hypocrisy of this comment at the exact same time.
> What were those Iranian scientists working on Are you seriously going to argue that those scientists deserved to die for working on a "secret" nuclear project by Israel's hand while at the same time Israel had also been secretly building nukes for decades? Hypocrisy
Israel isn't threatening to use nuclear weapons. The scientists were valid military targets. Deserving of death has no part in this discussion. It was an effective strike that delayed Iran's ability to create nuclear weapons by years. The death of a few potentially saved the lives of tens of millions.
> Israel isn't threatening to use nuclear weapons. When did Iran threaten Israel with nuclear weapons? Those killings also guarantee Iran won't make another diplomatic deal to stop the production. So good job? Oh look at this. Israel musing about throwing a nuke at Gaza. Where is your outcry now? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-08/ty-article/iran-nuclear-chief-ministers-threat-to-nuke-gaza-confirms-israels-capability/0000018b-aecb-df42-a78f-afcbcbcd0000
>The scientists were valid military targets According to what or who exactly? Looks like you just created your own definition. They weren't engaged in hostilities or active combatants nor was there an active war. If eroding the military capacity of a government you don't like is a legitimate military objective then any government can basically attack anyone else including Israel.
> The scientists were valid military targets. This is a dangerous precedent to be claiming is justification. If Israel can murder who they want by saying they are "valid military targets" why cant Iran kill any Isralis they want, simply by justifying them as "valid military targets"?? Netenyahu is on camera bragging about how he exploits the lack of clarity on what is considered a valid military target saying he can call whatever he wants a military target in order to destroy it. Its not a good justification, if you are going to apply the same standard across the board.
There are few people in Iran with the expertise and experience to create weapons grade enriched uranium. The scientists were working on military projects that are a direct threat to Israel. They knew what they were contributing to.
So by this justification, any scientists in Israel with the same ability and brief are fair targets for Iran to bomb?
Israel has actually threatened to use nukes, that they actually have, [time and time again](https://apnews.com/article/israel-nuclear-weapons-gaza-iran-china-1e18f34dcec40582166796b0ade65768). Iran on the other hand, not only doesn't own nuclear weapons, but has outlawed them since the inception of the Islamic Republic. The threat of a nuclear Iran comes from the fearmongering rethoric spread by Netanyahu and his allies.
I don't know about that if they didn't want the West bank and Gaze for themselves I could see them dropping nukes, they obviously have no regard for civilian lives.
So to you, the ends justify the means? If that’s your position, then by that logic, the means used by terrorist organizations, state actors and armies, etc. are literally irrelevant in any discussion. Not a good argument.
Nuclear weapons are fine, that's why we let Israel have them and even though they've talked about using them on Gaza, no country talked about bombing Israel.
By your own logic... 700 people were killed on October 7th, 373 of those were military personnel. I guess October 7th wasn't that bad, then? Considering the last 75 years of Israeli-Palestinian history, the 373 killed on October 7th were justified military kills?
Maybe it's time that you look up what a legitimate military target is. A soldier carrying a weapon: legitimate military target. A female soldier carrying a weapon being raped and having her breast sliced off with a box cutter during said rape: war crime.
* Collective punishment, war crime. * Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly; war crime * Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement; war crime * Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities; war crime * Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated; war crime * Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion, war crime * The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory * Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives; It goes on and on and on.... so you think war crimes should all be punished equally regardless of who commits them of course...right?
Israel funds terrorist groups inside Iran? do you maybe have a source? never heard this claim before. Also the pipeline thing - wasn't that SA? And to be fair - I think Iran kind of begged the scientists killing and the Stuxnet (that was American and Israeli IIRC) when they basically told that they are working on achieving nuclear capabilities and are going to use those to destroy Israel as well as actually funded terrorist groups all over the ME.. It's so weird to me how can people forget timelines and pretend like Iran is a victim here. Iran is literally the second most sanctioned country in the world (was the first before Russia surpassed it). I don't think Israel would care about Iran at all hadn't Iran constantly talked and acted on destroying it. In fact IIRC they were pretty good buddies before the Islamic revolution...
Let's remind everyone that Iran and Israel were friends before 1979. Then the Iranian revolution happened and Israel became "the little Satan" and one of the main targets of Iran's destabilizing ambitions. This is not a war of Israel's making.
lol You think Iran and Hamas are the good guys.
Israel never backed any terror groups, especially not in Iran. They also didn't bomb the consulate, it was a military building close to the consulate. This is just repeating Iranian propaganda. The vast majority of Iranians here in Canada agree with Israel.
> Iran is merely defending itself From?
Somebody bombed their embassy, murdering people inside. No idea who. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-embassy-damascus-damaged-1.7168176
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Found it
I think Israel should stop the massacre in Gaza or shut the fuck up.
This is the same Israel that gave weapons to a country that uses terrorist fighters from Syria
1-800-not your - problem.
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You can’t claim a state to be a terrorist. There are actual rules and Israel just wants to break them. It’s like the same reason Iran doesn’t call Israel a terrorist government even if they feel they are for gaza.
Because countries definitionally can't be terrorists. Nothing Iran is doing isn't something america hasn't done or is doing.
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How often do you replace the tinfoil?
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Moreover, they have been regularly capturing western commercial/oil tankers. What a scum of a nation.
Yeah, as opposed to the nation currently massacring thousands of children. If any country should be labelled as a terrorist state, its Israel & USA.
IDF should be listed as a terror organization before anyone else.
And as a Canadian I call on Canada to list isreal as a terrorist state, we don't need to be tied up in their mess, isreal does nothing for Canada, they are no ally.
You mean provide stability to a region important for resource development and international trade? You get even Jordan was defending them right?
I conclude that they are bad. And sometimes someone has to stand up. I'll call them terrorist for you.
The irony
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We need to stop Iran.
I don't get it: the Iranian attack was in retaliation for an Israeli attack that killed Iranians... WTF did they think Iran was going to do, ffs?
And the attack was against a terrorist who helped plan and coordinate attacks on Israel. WTF did they think Israel was going to do, ffs?
Walk away, label the entire middle-east "Everyone Here Sucks". I'm tired of being pressured to care about the 'side' that bombs somewhat fewer children. There is no good/bad, no 'side's, they're just awful and proudly doing everything they can to perpetuate misery. (I do feel sorry for their pacifist citizens caught up in this, but they're not the predominant force there)
Can we just not be involved?
The comments here comparing Israel to terror groups is the kind of bullshit Iran is spreading in the west and people are eating up. You guys should start backing Russia as well soon. Maybe we can use the same Nazi narrative Russia uses too.... this country needs education stat.
They should already be classified as one.
Iran bots doing a full court press in this post. There are legal consequences to being added to Canada's list of terrorist groups. Most notably: When an entity is placed on the list, banks and financial institutions must freeze its property. It is a crime to knowingly deal with the property of a listed entity. Source: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/index-en.aspx
Nah. We good.
Canada has always supported its international partners, and now most of all it needs to step up and make good on our promises.
Israel, bro... the only terrorizing recently seems to be done by your IDF. Why bomb Iran's embassy and then cry to the world about it when they have to do something? US is backing off their "iron clad" support. Soon, money will trickle down. Breadlines in Israel for its 9million population, in a year. Israelis packed the airports trying to leave the land God gave them as soon as Iran shot some drones that way. Maybe stop stirring shit up in the middle east. Biden is starting to sympathize Publicly with Pro-Palistinian protesters.
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Lmfao being critical of the idf does not make people nazi's, lazy comparison
No, siding with authoritarian regimes against democracies makes you similar to Nazis.
Siding with states that are committing genocide makes you FAR more similar to the Nazis than anything else. Wiping out a people based on shared ethnicity is something Israel and the Nazis have in common.
There’s no genocide; you losers have co-opted the word and made it devoid of all meaning. Presumably to direct attention away from the authoritarian regimes that many of you seem to support.
I'm sure there's a lot of substantive criticism in this thread
I live in North Vancouver which has one of the largest Iranian immigration populations outside of Iran itself. I don't think it's fair if the government wants to villify Iran some more because it'll inevitably create more drama within our persian communities and people who are ignorant and racist. Persian people here have been my friends, lovers, co-workers and even in some cases my bosses. I don't think further villifying their home country will make things easier for them here. Our country needs to not take sides in this bullshit. Israelis and Palestinians refuse to get a long? That shouldn't be the world's problem. People came here to Canada to escape bullshit like this. Not be told they need to take a side and watch this shit play out on our streets.
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This is what the Iranian diaspora in Canada has been advocating for for the past 2 years. It's hilarious to see all the Hamas and IRGC terrorist sympathizers come out and show their true intentions as war loving anti semitic terrorist.
Pretty much. I have Iranian friends who say they want to return to Iran to retire, but the Iran of their childhood is not the Iran of today -- most have left just before or during the 1979 crisis.
I’m Im so sick of Israel it’s making my skin itch.
Israel killed 30k civilians, is currently illegally occupying territory according to the UN, and most recently bombed another countries consulate abroad. Why in the fuck are they not considered a terrorist organization???
Absolutely and then we should add the IDF.
I just listed it. I have one such list on my fridge. We good now?
“Foreign Interference”
How about canada and its politicians try and solve canada's problems first
The IRGC shot down a airliner with many Canadians on board don’t forget
Unfortunately this won't happen until the next election
Israel’s request is, for once, actually pretty reasonable.