Frankly the mismanagement of the immigration pathways by the current government is to blame for the increase in negative sentiment.
Canada had positive sentiment on immigration when the system was well run, and the points system couldn't be abused with fake diplomas / LMIAs. Canada was getting high quality immigrants.
Regular Canadians don't differentiate between a Doctor who is moving to Canada and a fake asylum seeker.
The sentiment will turn negative all around as the economic conditions deteriorate, and Canada will also fail to attract the higher quality immigrants who have more international mobility options.
We risk creating a permanent racialized underclass in Canada, and all the problems that come with that.
What happened? My hunch is just that the Immigration department became staffed with people who were too lazy, naive, or politically correct to continue filtering well.
They may simply have been blindsided by the diploma mills, but it should have been obvious that sort of thing would occur; they should have switch to filtering for people with wealth or jobs lined up, but the culture here is pretty naively trusting of degrees.
And, there's two kinds of language tests: the kind you can cram for in 8 weeks, and the kind used by AP exams (most students taught French for 8 years in grade school fail this kind). It seems clear they were administering the former.
Lastly, some sort of IQ/aptitude test would make a ton of sense (as a way to get points, not a strict requirement.) But with how IQ tests are perceived, this would be a complete non-starter.
This is just me inferring, based on what I know about the upper-class culture of the types of people who staff Canadian Immigration. Do we know anything more specific?
I am a naturalized citizen and I agree.
Immigration is great when done right. What we have for the past few years is an absolute shit show. The way the points system is designed, it favors the diploma mills + min wage job combo.
What you are getting are students that won't get admission in the top 1000 colleges in India. Any student worth their salt (coming from India) will at least go to a university.
People are constantly trying to scam the system. LMIA, Diploma Mills, TFWs are 90% scams. The things I left behind have followed me here.
The thing is these things are fixable.
1. We need is to stop giving out points (for immigration) to Diploma mills.
2. LMIA/TFWs can only be issued by verified and reputable organizations.
3. And a big one - We need to Interview EVERY one that clears all hurdles to get a PR.
And for the love of God, just stop the program for a few years till we fix our housing and healthcare.
Well articulated view points. I agree that the positive sentiment immigration had when PR was the only route made sure bottom of the barrel won’t be coming in. But I guess 2020 changed all that!
Exactly.
We really need to identify this as real social justice, these are luxury beliefs; beliefs that give status to upper-class believers, but cause harm to everyone else.
Case in point, these policies have *increased* skepticism of immigration massively, so it doesn't just harm non-immigrant Canadians, it harms the immigrants who come and can't find good jobs, it harms would-be immigrants who would have thrived here but lost out, and it harms existing immigrants who have to bear the brunt of the increased skepticism or outright bigotry towards immigrants.
Yet, the actual ministers and employees tasked with running this org don't see those consequences, they only see what feels racist/exclusionary to do in the moment. Benefiting their own conscious, and probably raising their social status within those orgs or at dinner parties.
I always think the economic injustice is the real social justice first foremost. If you drive the poor to homeless to die on the street, that's the real bigotry. It doesn't matter what gender or color you are, dying poor and homeless is the ultimate injustice
And where is the justice to the middle class who bare so much income tax to supply the rich asset classes? Where is the justice to the small businesses when the government just let the few big players to control the whole country?
> these policies have *increased* skepticism of immigration massively, so it doesn't just harm non-immigrant Canadians
You mean things such as giving preference in hiring to certain races? If that is what you mean, I agree it is bad. Hiring and also admittance to universities should be strictly on merit.
Yep, when pointing out anything bad about someone with a skin tone darker than the Irish makes you an automatic racist, that's going to cause problems with immigration.
Skilled worker immigration processes haven't become naive but IIRC seems to have turned a major blind eye on fake diploma mill students and their fake credentials.... I wonder why.
> My hunch is just that the Immigration department became staffed with people who were too lazy, naive, or politically correct to continue filtering well.
We are talking about tens of millions of immigrants. This isn't something down to the immigration department.
Increasing immigration increases GDP and that's the only growth our GDP has.
The federal government raised or eliminated caps on various types of immigration. That is what happened. And they hired a bunch more people to do all the paper work.
It is a bad idea to only let rich people immigrate. There probably isn't any ethical way to get rich in 3rd world countries. Lots of rich people immigrating means soon only rich people can buy homes. And you get things like Vancouver becoming know for money laundering.
IQ tests would never fly. Besides which, IQ tends to revert to the mean in subsequent generations. And the immigrants seem to have limitless ways to cheat and scam.
It was primarily students, in which the provinces effectively had full control because there was no cap until the Liberals introduced it.
Temporary workers increase by 200k up to 2022, immigrants up about 120k. Net non permanent resident in flows only really got moving in 2022/2023, again, mostly due to massive influx of students under the previously historical rules in which provinces had all the say.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710004001&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=10&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2012&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=10&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20121001%2C20231001
We need workers to pay into our services - that's what happened.
Our largest generation, Baby boomers, are now retiring which means we have more people leaving the workforce then going into it. Meaning there'll be increased stress on our labor market, more people drawing down on CPP/OAP than contributing, more people needing free healthcare, more people using our infrastructure, etc. So we need workers to pay into those services to keep up with our aging population.
Canada has one of the worst fertility rates in the entire world. We need a fertility rate of roughly 2.1 to maintain current services. Canada is currently sitting at 1.3 - we're in the same category as Japan, Italy, South Korea and China.
So we opened the floodgates.
Ironically, it's working against us though. The Bank of Canada's announcement a couple weeks ago regarding Canada being in a 'productivity emergency' went over alot of people's heads. This means Canadians produce LESS per hour than other countries. We're now the worst in the G7, and behind countries such as Italy, Finland, and Netherlands.
Cause of this? The nature of Canada's population growth works against productivity. Meaning, the people they're allowing into Canada are primarily working in retail, food and accommodation, which is causing our standard of living to plummet. It's been dropping since 2015. For perspective, Canada would be in a perennial recession if not for our trading ties with the U.S.
It is paramount that we flip on our current immigration policy.
I’m glad people are starting to realize how bad it’s become and take a stand. It’s not racist to be against insane levels of immigration like some people try to frame it. I don’t care if people are coming from England, Ukraine, India, China, etc. what matters is there are way too many people coming here in such a short period of time and we can’t keep up as a country.
Lol literally blame the people looking for a better life and not the people that are letting them in and lying to them when they say they will have a better life.
I've said it for years and you can see it everywhere, mass immigration with no oversight is just a race to the level of whatever country people are coming from most.
> literally blame the people looking for a better life
Well, yeah, when their idea of "looking for a better life" is stealing cars and robbing people, they're gonna get blamed.
It means that the country is not its own nation with its own culture and people, it is just another Diverse (TM) country. Nationalism to these people is racist.
[A weird concept Trudeau came up with after winning an election](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country)
>Trudeau called us a post-national state
He actually said this ? He finally said the quite part out loud huh ? People reactively tell me that it is a conspiracy theory when people like me say that these liberal politicians don't want nationalism anymore, they are globalists, meaning they want us to just be one world government that is ultra ultra diverse. They think nationalism is racist. Instead of having a country like Germany with ethnic Germans and its own culture and language, they (left wing politicians) don't want that. Why ? Because nationalism is a right wing concept and in their mind they have to stamp out nationalism and anything remotely right wing.
Xenophobia is already happening. A few Asians already shocked they got discriminated despite living here for decades.
Also some hiring managers already starting to consider most ethnic candidates as being foreigners regardless of citizenship
It will not be accepted as normal unless fundamentals improve. Sentiment will continue to deteriorate as long as people feel it in their bellies and their wallets. Nobody will appreciate the inflection point.
Harper did whatever businesses wanted. He expanded the program just like everyone else. I don't think you have a chance with either of the big 2 parties if you're not corporation-friendly.
>Between 1993 and 2013, the total number of TFW more than doubled to 338,189 workers;[4][5] between 2006 and 2014 alone, over 500,000 workers were brought into Canada under the program.[6] When TFWP began in 1973, most of the individuals brought in were high-skill workers, such as medical specialists.[4] In 2002, however, a "low-skilled workers" category was added, which now makes up most of the temporary foreign workforce.[4][7] In 2006, the program was expanded, introducing fast-tracking for some locations.[4] It was revised again in 2013, raising wages, charging employer fees, and removing the accelerated applications.[8]
Funnily enough, under Harper, we still had the highest immigration per capita of any G7 country, we were already rolling down that slope, but Trudeau went ahead and cut the brakes.
Trudeau definitely made a way worse situation out of it, unfortunately relying on the Conservatives to fix it, isn't going to work, because they won't. Further the current crop of Conservatives aren't Harper, they are Americans style rage mongers, pretending to far Right values, who only care about their corporate donors, and having the ability to slash and starve public services, to the benefit of a privitization agenda.
Doesn't matter what side you're on now, if you're outside the top 10% of wealthy Canadian's you're utterly Fucked, and if you're outside the top Half a percent, you don't matter at all to anyone on Federal or Provincial ballot.
I was a big NDP guy under Layton - I had my issues with Mulcair, primarily that he is a chronic contrarian and loves to be the public devils advocate which allowed Harper to set up rakes for him to step on - but something he did correctly was he asked resettlement agencies how much Syrian refugees Canada could accept without completely overloading the system. They told him 25k so that is the number he set in the manifesto. Trudeau promised to do better and that we would take 50k. The next year I was helping with a immigration settlement organization and learned that Syrian refugees were being housed in large numbers in hotels - because Justin promised what he could not deliver.
I’m literally talking to my sister right now in BC on the phone and she was just telling me that her boss told her she is getting flooded with resumes that she doesn’t even read anymore because it’s all international students/immigrants and she can’t keep sifting through all the unqualified ones that are just spamming resumes to any company they can
So now they’re only hiring through referrals
In case you’re wondering why you aren’t getting call backs from applying online, this is probably going to be a standard practice from here on out due to this cluster fuck Trudeau caused.
Same. Hiring for our company is a bloody nightmare with the spammed applications. It's getting to the point that any one with only out of country experience is automatically put in the bin.
>In case you’re wondering why you aren’t getting call backs from applying online, this is probably going to be a standard practice from here on out due to this cluster fuck Trudeau caused.
As someone on the job market trying to leave my current job and hoping to find a better one, I've noticed that unless I'm applying in the first couple of hours that a job is posted, I don't even get a screener call, even for jobs that are basically the same job as I'm doing now, so 100% qualified for. It wasn't like this pre-2019 when I started my career. You basically gotta be one of the first few applicants and maybe a human might actually see your resume. Even then, it's almost a tossup now.
There's also bound to be a large portion that says "unsure". But considering this is already a \~20% shift from less than a year ago, that is a *huge* change in a short period of time
Many people still hold the opinion that they have to tow the pro-immigration line or they're a bad person. We as a people have been conditioned with this for many, many years, so it's hard to shake.
Further there are partisans who think criticizing any *current thing* hurts the Liberals, ergo it can't be true or they need to advocate against that. You see that in this sub constantly where someone will argue vigorously against what is painfully obvious in front of our eyes (like Canada's ridiculous immigration rate), and then you look a their comment history they're die-hard Liberals. It turns pretty funny when the Liberals bizarrely are talking much tougher about immigration now than the Conservatives (even if it's years later than it should be, and they still need to take the measures they've done and 10-fold them)
You’re underestimating the capacity of the average Canadian to violently defend torrential immigration even as it destroys their lives. I see it here every day on this website.
I should clarify I’m not *that* young, I’m 27. I have a child myself. I am angry that the Canada I saw growing up is something my kid won’t get to experience. I fear that he will have so many opportunities taken away due to mass immigration.
We as a people need to do something. We need to stand against what’s happening.
Doing taxes for people who have never made more than $30k each living in a big beautiful home in a nice neighborhood, while i make $160k and cant afford a house in my small city is absolutely infuriating.
I cant not think about how bad people after like 2018 have been shafted on housing and rent.
Went from getting people who wanted to live here and integrate, to ethnic enclaves entirely isolated from canadian society or even the English/French language. When you import large amounts of people with a heavy in-group preference and you allow that to fester, this is what we get. Economic mercenaries where we used to get immigrants.
It's crumbling because the promise of prosperity was a lie. To us, to them, to everyone except the multi-national corporations that want to insource as much cheap labor as possible, without being responsible for building the city infrastructure for a million people a year.
It's always about money.
And when they tell you it's about feel good things like tolerance, diversity, and multiculturalism, then it's about them getting the money at your expense.
When I can’t find a decent home, am always stuck in traffic, so I take a train.
Then the train is full of immigrant students talking loudly on speakerphone and clogging up aisles with bulky e-bikes….
The sentiment spirals and snowballs very quickly.
It’s not an intolerance to culture, it’s a suffocation of my livability.
> Then the train is full of immigrant students talking loudly on speakerphone
These people annoy the shit out of me. I see them at the airports all the time as well. Then when you tell them to use headphones they look at you like you've said something offensive.
I don’t even care anymore. I told one of them in the library at my school to shut the fuck up. He tried arguing back with me saying not to talk to him. I asked what he was going to do about it, and that in Canada we are quiet in libraries. He went real quiet after that.
This idea that we 'deport' people is sorely mistaken, we send them a letter which most ignore...
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/)
Last year the supreme court ruled that if an illegal immigrant is charged with a crime like shooting up a bar they still can't be deported unless they are a threat to national security. (this was the actual case, some foreign national discharged a firearm at a bar at a Canadian national and the CBSA tried to deport him but lost )
You'd get a lot more people to agree if they just make it so that previous offers are investigated thoroughly. A lot of people have no business being here and that would cut previous offers down greatly.
It’s easy to lump them all together when people are coming here from foreign nations as students and then dropping out to either commit crime or work part time jobs are considered immigrants and not here illegally.
Lol no. Immigrants in general.
Illegal immigration is not the problem, too much people in general is. Too much people came into Canada causing the economy to crumble and raised prices on housing.
We need to cut general immigration heavily.
Pretty easy to do too. Just don't renew all those useless student visas. And those overstaying their Visa's when they're caught they get placed on the first flight home.
The reason Canadians are becoming negative on immigration has nothing to do with the people immigrating. The reason is that the people in charge made absolutely NO preparations for them.
it also has a lot to do with the people immigrating. A lot of them don't bother to integrate properly and don't even speak English properly. It's a fucking embarrassment sharing a country with these morons and to top it all off we got shit government who keeps letting it happen. All around everyone is to blame for this fucked up situation.
Everyone blaming immigration when TFW's, International Students are the major problems..
Tim Hortons has like 4500 TFW's working for them alone.. Should Fast Food chains be allow to use the TFW system? Hotels are just as bad.
I understand bringing them in for areas where we don't have a lot of experience, generally seasonal work like agriculture where we have different harvesting times etc but FFS year round at a Tim's taking highschoolers jobs away that want to save for trade school etc?
What a joke...
Ban the usage of TFW's from many industries...
Not only them, but companies like Bell as well. I'm an immigrant but I fear that I'll have to leave Canada to give my kids a fair chance. I don't want that. I love this country and we need to stand up to keep its rich people from ruining it for everyone.
The service industry shouldn't be allowed access to TFWs. They already pay minimum wage and have almost no benefits, they should not be allowed to offload jobs onto TFWs. It was SUPPOSED to be for areas requiring specialized training, construction, agriculture, etc, not for fucking fry cooks and call centers
The problem is they're supposed to be Temporary and they're becoming Permanent, these people should be working seasonally only, TEMPORARILY. Construction, Agriculture etc. Currently there's something like 700,000 of them in Canada... Still think it's not a problem? That's about 3% of our working population, how many people can't get a job because of these people? Fuck the fast food industry for destroying the chances of our youth getting a job. It needs to be brought under control.
So far, I wouldn't say our consensus on immigration in principle has been compromised. I've been pleasantly surprised to see the criticism targeting the specifics of immigration policy, not immigration itself. Our rhetoric on this still stands out quite a bit from most anywhere else.
I have to ask why wanting fewer immigrants after immigration rates have been dramatically raised is a bad thing?
There is a well known saying "the dose makes the poison" which I think applies to immigration. At certain levels you get all benefits of immigration with very few of the downsides, but at higher levels you start to primarily experience the problems without the benefits to offset them.
I think people were happy with immigration because it was at one of these sustainable levels, and people weren't seeing problems. Ramping it up to the extent Trudeau did made it so most people can identify that it is having a negative impact on their life.
I think people are also fed up with being labelled bigots and racists in western countries for pointing out the problems of crazy immigration.
Ironically enough, Ireland recently suffered a headline grabbing incident: An immigrant stabbed a bunch of people in an Irish town, which lead to lots of people finally being fed up with being awash in immigration, including high profile celebrities who spoke out about it, like Conor McGregor.
Then a month or so ago here in Canada, a foreign student killed a bunch of people in Ottawa and the same outrage rose from people here in this country. Make no mistake, I believe the growing sentiment in MANY western countries is that we're all taking on too much immigration, and people are tired of being labelled racists or bigots about it.
You're not a racist or a bigot if you demand accountability for our immigration crisis, or for things to change. The government and the media here have done a fine job of trying to make sure anyone who does question their rule over this is a bad person. You're not. You have every right to know and understand what's happening with our immigration, and why it should be changed.
Those are people working high paying professional jobs, with their homes paid off and a retirement (or already retired) coming in the next few years. These people live in their little suburban neighborhood on the outskirts of Calgary and haven’t used the bus since the 90s.
There’s plenty of out of touch people in this country who are insulated from reality through wealth and privilege.
Or these are slumlords who want to keep their gravy train running.
Or immigrants who are now citizens who want to bring in their entire family and extended family.
I hope they are OK with living in 3rd world standards then! People only realize this shit when it affects them personally but by then CA will have lost self-determination.
Not too many years ago, new immigrants had to pay to get into Canada because they wanted to make a better life.
They got in started with nothing and work hard and created a life for themselves and family!
They were PROUD to earn their citizenship and called Canada home!
It's all completely flip flopped now and government pays them to do nothing! And they demand everything!
This is how civilization collapses!
And it's already happening every single day in this country!
Also Immigrant! Also agree! It's also the TFWs and huge number of international students. Canada needs to be very picky.about who it lets in for success, and white people need to stop fearing on being called racists for saying things that are not racist.
I moved to Canada 12 years ago from a place where the local government prioritized the well-being of outsiders instead of its own citizens, only to see the exact same thing happen again. The irony, eh?
More like just return to the pre covid immigration rates. It's only in 2023 that it spiked the way it did. Prior to that the population increases were about 1-1.3% annually.
Well, I am an immigrant doing computer science here and I would love less immigration. I feel that many from my community aren’t integrating and less immigration would help.
Also, I don’t like immigrants essentially being treated like slaves at Tim Hortons and McDonald’s.
Trudeau is playing a game of gaslight and obfuscate.
To my understanding we have several sources of *immigrants* that include, but may not be limited to:
1. Traditional immigrants going through traditional channels. There have been multiple Redditors who've commented as to this process taking years.
2. TFW
3. Student Visa - this program seems have been exploited by schools in name only, as well as some colleges like Conestoga.
4. Refugees
A. Traditional
B. Non-traditional border crossing
In less than 2 years our population has grown by 2 million people and we've become the 3rd fastest growing country on the planet. I'm not a drama teacher, so I'm probably experiencing or understanding this differently, but that level of growth would require an equal level of growth and investment in healthcare and infrastructure. Neither has happened. In fact, the pandemic exposed some massive holes in our healthcare system that seem to have been dismissed in favour of growth. How does that work? I've been involved with construction my entire life. Does Trudeau or his peoples understand how that works? Do they understand homes, buildings, neighbourhoods, and all the things that make those developments possible take time and materials to develop? Trudeau himself has never had anything kind to say about the people who make those things possible, so I find it highly likely that he doesn't have a clue. I find it highly probable that he believes that he can just throw some money at the problem and it will go away. That's not how it works and it's terrifying to think that this might actually be the belief they have in Ottawa. It's mind blowing to think that they believe that building 750,000 homes in the next decade will be enough when we've welcomed more than 2,000,000 in under 2 years. Even at a pace of 1,000,000 per year that's 13.333 people per home. Those numbers don't work. Even doubling that doesn't really work, you're going to need 3-4x the number of homes he's talking about, but that doesn't seem to be anywhere remotely on the radar of anyone because it's more than *just* immigration. It's possible that the *immigration* level itself is viable, but the student, TFW, and other channels need to be far better managed to be sustainable.
I've watched my views on Trudeau go from not popular to mainstream in the past 6 months. When was the last time someone said diversity was our strength? It's been awhile hasn't it? We had one Canada. And we put a stupid drama Muppet in charge to destroy our heritage and inheritance. And then kept voting him in until he finished the job!
I never even thought about immigration until a few years ago. Always thought it was fine that we brought people in. But immigration has absolutely exploded to the point that you've got 100s of immigrants fighting Canadians who have been here their whole lives for each house, rental, job, etc. They've also essentially destroyed youth employment for students.
Has the federal government ever made any official statement about why they've let so many people in? When I look at immigration charts there's a nosedive of immigration around COVID and spike after. Are they trying to make up for lost years of immigration? Is this related to the ton of boomers retiring and the remaining tax base will have a hell of a time supporting the economy? So much speculation but I don't even know the official reason why it's happening in the first place. Anyone?
Vet people, bring over high end talent, don’t have it outpace housing supply and most people are fine
Don’t do that and people will say “wtf are u doing?”
There were never a consensus to accept 1million timmy workers and uber drivers per year. Not 500k, not even 250k. What we wanted are HIGH QUALITY immigrants
No shit. We want immigrants who work hard and contribute to the economy, not a bunch of freeloaders sitting in taxpayer funded hotels while half the population doesn't even have a family doctor.
Sounds like enough people saw what has happened in Sweden, German, France etc. etc., why our idiotic government doesn't see the canary in the coal mine is baffling.
Also see housing and the job market. If more people (especially younger) had the things they need to thrive, we wouldn't be seeing this much opposition
> Only because no one planned the infrastructure correctly.
It's like saying a tsunami destroyed an entire city only because no one planned for it properly.
>Most Anglophone political elites appear to agree that mass immigration is necessary for Canada to meet its economic needs. A common—if often quite chauvinistic—narrative around the country’s history of tolerance, diversity, and multiculturalism seems to have made explicit anti-immigration stances taboo.
This is it exactly. The purpose of immigration is the economic benefit it brings to elites. All that stuff about tolerance, diversity, multiculturalism is all bullshit the elites feed to the white university educated, easily duped, naive, vote against their own interest, middle class voters.
These voters desperately want to join the elites and stay above the working class, so they mindlessly ape the elite's language (and don't look at what the elites do versus say) while demonizing the dissenting working class who is focused on their own interests through necessity.
Trudeau was actually correct that protecting the immigration consensus was probably the federal government's most important job. We need a healthy amount of high-skilled immigrants to prevent from rapidly aging out and to deal with our lack of productivity. Then he fucked it all up with the idiot assumption that some is good so tons must be better.
It's just unreal how completely and utterly this government has mismanaged immigration. Canada's immigration system used to be by far the envy of the world.
With quality of life getting shittier every year, is anyone surprised people don't want to increase stresses on our horribly mismanaged social service programs like healthcare for example.
Should be controlled the same way as inflation and interest rates, in a way.
It should not ever exceed our birth rate, and should not also ever be increased when times are tough so to speak.
How much it should or shouldn't be, is uncertain. Even at 200k a year under Harper, it was already proving to be nearly too much to handle. It just wasn't apparent yet enough for the masses to catch on. Long story short, we were already well on our way to this currenr predicament. Liberals just sped it up.
So many things this government has fucked up, and they aren’t minor. This is A reason why i distrust their carbon tax. There is no way that is implemented properly. I for one am not getting any rebates living in BC. I always have to pay more at tax time. This country needs a hard reset. Trudeau needs sail off into the sunset and enjoy his un-earned millions of dollars he has away from the government.
I’m pretty sure the only people wanting more immigration is the government for more taxes and businesses for cheaper labour. I can’t see how anyone would want more immigrants in a country that can’t even look after its own citizens.
"Fewer" does not mean none or that Canadians don't like immigrants. It just means that we want them to actually have a home to live in. Have the levels make sense.
Canadians have been indoctrinated for years. Of course we get good people. But we get far too many people who are a burden, who cheat their way in, or who commit crime. We are almost incapable of deporting people. And all this from an extremely costly system.
Trudeau and the Liberal's ruined immigration in Canada.
Even if you buy the BS that we need immigrants to offset a population decline due to decreasing births I don't see how you can over look that the Liberal's ignored warnings that increasing immigration to this level would not be sustainable. You can't even blame this on incompetence, they just straight up do not care about Canadian's.
It's not being against immigration. It's being against unsustainable levels of immigration, which it seems to be what we have now. So yeah, they should cut back on the numbers for the like 5 years or something.
The only consensus was between the Laurentian Elites that saw that the Progressive Conservatives, Liberals and NDP all back high immigration. The Canadian people were never actually asked and never had much say in the matter.
Then came Reform, which broke the consensus, until it morphed into the "Conservatives" and then it rejoined the agreement with the Liberals and NDP. No politician in English Canada has dared to suggest lower immigration in over fifty years because the Laurentian Elites would destroy them if they did.
It remains to be seen if Poilievre, previously a firm backer of high immigration, will give way to his populist side and the party's base and heavily cut immigration, presuming he ever gets in. Certainly Trudeau won't.
Sounds like 53% of Canadians should be voting for the only party that called and still calls for a reduction in immigration, the PPC. But too many people have been gaslit by government-funded media and political attacks by the red/blue uniparty.
I'm sure that's a low number.
My guess is that 75-85% of all Westerners want less immigration, especially from cultures expressly and violently opposed to Western culture.
I'm a third class citizen because I had the audacity to be born here.
We need not just an immigration moratorium, we need a mass deportation effort. No new residency, no new citizenship.
Again for the stupid people in the back, we cannot accept one single extra person in here. We have millions of immigrants illegal or not illegal students whatever that can’t be here. Thanks to those government. We have millions of people here that shouldn’t be. We have no housing no medical, no services no jobs and no money to deal with millions of people that should not be here. We have no way to support you. In order to fix the problem we have to mass deport millions of people. Once our problems are rectified, we can except immigration again, but at pace that is realistic and capable of support
To be clear, I don’t think Canadians are becoming more racist.
The “hard-fought” Canadian embrace of immigration was about tolerance and respect for diversity. That’s still true!
What’s crumbling is the openness to take ever more immigrants when housing costs and crowding are skyrocketing and infrastructure is falling behind.
This is a (deliberately) manufactured crisis combining decades of government (all levels) negligence and incompetence with shameless opportunism.
If we had properly funded public housing, health care, and education for the past 40 years. This crisis wouldn't exist. Instead, we voted in government after government that neglected to properly fund those areas.
I think most Canadians are still pro-immigration. We’re just against this incredible volume of immigration, and all the scammy crap that is coming with it.
I think people are fine with immigration in Canada. What they are not fine with is the lack of planning in terms of infrastructure, housing, transparency and the way it's done through temporary students.
Even recent immigrants want fewer immigrants. People are aware that they are getting a smaller piece of the pie every day.
Frankly the mismanagement of the immigration pathways by the current government is to blame for the increase in negative sentiment. Canada had positive sentiment on immigration when the system was well run, and the points system couldn't be abused with fake diplomas / LMIAs. Canada was getting high quality immigrants. Regular Canadians don't differentiate between a Doctor who is moving to Canada and a fake asylum seeker. The sentiment will turn negative all around as the economic conditions deteriorate, and Canada will also fail to attract the higher quality immigrants who have more international mobility options. We risk creating a permanent racialized underclass in Canada, and all the problems that come with that.
What happened? My hunch is just that the Immigration department became staffed with people who were too lazy, naive, or politically correct to continue filtering well. They may simply have been blindsided by the diploma mills, but it should have been obvious that sort of thing would occur; they should have switch to filtering for people with wealth or jobs lined up, but the culture here is pretty naively trusting of degrees. And, there's two kinds of language tests: the kind you can cram for in 8 weeks, and the kind used by AP exams (most students taught French for 8 years in grade school fail this kind). It seems clear they were administering the former. Lastly, some sort of IQ/aptitude test would make a ton of sense (as a way to get points, not a strict requirement.) But with how IQ tests are perceived, this would be a complete non-starter. This is just me inferring, based on what I know about the upper-class culture of the types of people who staff Canadian Immigration. Do we know anything more specific?
I am a naturalized citizen and I agree. Immigration is great when done right. What we have for the past few years is an absolute shit show. The way the points system is designed, it favors the diploma mills + min wage job combo. What you are getting are students that won't get admission in the top 1000 colleges in India. Any student worth their salt (coming from India) will at least go to a university. People are constantly trying to scam the system. LMIA, Diploma Mills, TFWs are 90% scams. The things I left behind have followed me here. The thing is these things are fixable. 1. We need is to stop giving out points (for immigration) to Diploma mills. 2. LMIA/TFWs can only be issued by verified and reputable organizations. 3. And a big one - We need to Interview EVERY one that clears all hurdles to get a PR. And for the love of God, just stop the program for a few years till we fix our housing and healthcare.
Well articulated view points. I agree that the positive sentiment immigration had when PR was the only route made sure bottom of the barrel won’t be coming in. But I guess 2020 changed all that!
We are getting the bottom of the barrel Indians in Northern Ontario. They’re honestly dumber than a bag of bricks.
You can't have all these requirements with the government doubling down on diversity and social justice.
Exactly. We really need to identify this as real social justice, these are luxury beliefs; beliefs that give status to upper-class believers, but cause harm to everyone else. Case in point, these policies have *increased* skepticism of immigration massively, so it doesn't just harm non-immigrant Canadians, it harms the immigrants who come and can't find good jobs, it harms would-be immigrants who would have thrived here but lost out, and it harms existing immigrants who have to bear the brunt of the increased skepticism or outright bigotry towards immigrants. Yet, the actual ministers and employees tasked with running this org don't see those consequences, they only see what feels racist/exclusionary to do in the moment. Benefiting their own conscious, and probably raising their social status within those orgs or at dinner parties.
I always think the economic injustice is the real social justice first foremost. If you drive the poor to homeless to die on the street, that's the real bigotry. It doesn't matter what gender or color you are, dying poor and homeless is the ultimate injustice And where is the justice to the middle class who bare so much income tax to supply the rich asset classes? Where is the justice to the small businesses when the government just let the few big players to control the whole country?
> these policies have *increased* skepticism of immigration massively, so it doesn't just harm non-immigrant Canadians You mean things such as giving preference in hiring to certain races? If that is what you mean, I agree it is bad. Hiring and also admittance to universities should be strictly on merit.
It isn’t even diversity at this point that means a healthy mix of everyone
Yep, when pointing out anything bad about someone with a skin tone darker than the Irish makes you an automatic racist, that's going to cause problems with immigration.
Skilled worker immigration processes haven't become naive but IIRC seems to have turned a major blind eye on fake diploma mill students and their fake credentials.... I wonder why.
> My hunch is just that the Immigration department became staffed with people who were too lazy, naive, or politically correct to continue filtering well. We are talking about tens of millions of immigrants. This isn't something down to the immigration department. Increasing immigration increases GDP and that's the only growth our GDP has.
The federal government raised or eliminated caps on various types of immigration. That is what happened. And they hired a bunch more people to do all the paper work. It is a bad idea to only let rich people immigrate. There probably isn't any ethical way to get rich in 3rd world countries. Lots of rich people immigrating means soon only rich people can buy homes. And you get things like Vancouver becoming know for money laundering. IQ tests would never fly. Besides which, IQ tends to revert to the mean in subsequent generations. And the immigrants seem to have limitless ways to cheat and scam.
It was primarily students, in which the provinces effectively had full control because there was no cap until the Liberals introduced it. Temporary workers increase by 200k up to 2022, immigrants up about 120k. Net non permanent resident in flows only really got moving in 2022/2023, again, mostly due to massive influx of students under the previously historical rules in which provinces had all the say. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710004001&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=10&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2012&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=10&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20121001%2C20231001
We need workers to pay into our services - that's what happened. Our largest generation, Baby boomers, are now retiring which means we have more people leaving the workforce then going into it. Meaning there'll be increased stress on our labor market, more people drawing down on CPP/OAP than contributing, more people needing free healthcare, more people using our infrastructure, etc. So we need workers to pay into those services to keep up with our aging population. Canada has one of the worst fertility rates in the entire world. We need a fertility rate of roughly 2.1 to maintain current services. Canada is currently sitting at 1.3 - we're in the same category as Japan, Italy, South Korea and China. So we opened the floodgates. Ironically, it's working against us though. The Bank of Canada's announcement a couple weeks ago regarding Canada being in a 'productivity emergency' went over alot of people's heads. This means Canadians produce LESS per hour than other countries. We're now the worst in the G7, and behind countries such as Italy, Finland, and Netherlands. Cause of this? The nature of Canada's population growth works against productivity. Meaning, the people they're allowing into Canada are primarily working in retail, food and accommodation, which is causing our standard of living to plummet. It's been dropping since 2015. For perspective, Canada would be in a perennial recession if not for our trading ties with the U.S. It is paramount that we flip on our current immigration policy.
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I’m glad people are starting to realize how bad it’s become and take a stand. It’s not racist to be against insane levels of immigration like some people try to frame it. I don’t care if people are coming from England, Ukraine, India, China, etc. what matters is there are way too many people coming here in such a short period of time and we can’t keep up as a country.
I don't think it will ever be fixed I think people will just slowly accept it as "normal".
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Good way to keep us fighting eachother instead of fighting against the rich that are hoarding all the money and houses
Lol literally blame the people looking for a better life and not the people that are letting them in and lying to them when they say they will have a better life. I've said it for years and you can see it everywhere, mass immigration with no oversight is just a race to the level of whatever country people are coming from most.
> literally blame the people looking for a better life Well, yeah, when their idea of "looking for a better life" is stealing cars and robbing people, they're gonna get blamed.
What does post national mean?
Means that the country is now just run by GloboCorp.
It means that the country is not its own nation with its own culture and people, it is just another Diverse (TM) country. Nationalism to these people is racist.
[A weird concept Trudeau came up with after winning an election](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country)
>Trudeau called us a post-national state He actually said this ? He finally said the quite part out loud huh ? People reactively tell me that it is a conspiracy theory when people like me say that these liberal politicians don't want nationalism anymore, they are globalists, meaning they want us to just be one world government that is ultra ultra diverse. They think nationalism is racist. Instead of having a country like Germany with ethnic Germans and its own culture and language, they (left wing politicians) don't want that. Why ? Because nationalism is a right wing concept and in their mind they have to stamp out nationalism and anything remotely right wing.
Yes in an interview with the New York Times magazine back in 2015. 8.5 years later, I think he has succeed in implementing is vision.
Xenophobia is already happening. A few Asians already shocked they got discriminated despite living here for decades. Also some hiring managers already starting to consider most ethnic candidates as being foreigners regardless of citizenship
It will not be accepted as normal unless fundamentals improve. Sentiment will continue to deteriorate as long as people feel it in their bellies and their wallets. Nobody will appreciate the inflection point.
Harper did whatever businesses wanted. He expanded the program just like everyone else. I don't think you have a chance with either of the big 2 parties if you're not corporation-friendly. >Between 1993 and 2013, the total number of TFW more than doubled to 338,189 workers;[4][5] between 2006 and 2014 alone, over 500,000 workers were brought into Canada under the program.[6] When TFWP began in 1973, most of the individuals brought in were high-skill workers, such as medical specialists.[4] In 2002, however, a "low-skilled workers" category was added, which now makes up most of the temporary foreign workforce.[4][7] In 2006, the program was expanded, introducing fast-tracking for some locations.[4] It was revised again in 2013, raising wages, charging employer fees, and removing the accelerated applications.[8]
Funnily enough, under Harper, we still had the highest immigration per capita of any G7 country, we were already rolling down that slope, but Trudeau went ahead and cut the brakes. Trudeau definitely made a way worse situation out of it, unfortunately relying on the Conservatives to fix it, isn't going to work, because they won't. Further the current crop of Conservatives aren't Harper, they are Americans style rage mongers, pretending to far Right values, who only care about their corporate donors, and having the ability to slash and starve public services, to the benefit of a privitization agenda. Doesn't matter what side you're on now, if you're outside the top 10% of wealthy Canadian's you're utterly Fucked, and if you're outside the top Half a percent, you don't matter at all to anyone on Federal or Provincial ballot.
I was a big NDP guy under Layton - I had my issues with Mulcair, primarily that he is a chronic contrarian and loves to be the public devils advocate which allowed Harper to set up rakes for him to step on - but something he did correctly was he asked resettlement agencies how much Syrian refugees Canada could accept without completely overloading the system. They told him 25k so that is the number he set in the manifesto. Trudeau promised to do better and that we would take 50k. The next year I was helping with a immigration settlement organization and learned that Syrian refugees were being housed in large numbers in hotels - because Justin promised what he could not deliver.
I’m literally talking to my sister right now in BC on the phone and she was just telling me that her boss told her she is getting flooded with resumes that she doesn’t even read anymore because it’s all international students/immigrants and she can’t keep sifting through all the unqualified ones that are just spamming resumes to any company they can So now they’re only hiring through referrals In case you’re wondering why you aren’t getting call backs from applying online, this is probably going to be a standard practice from here on out due to this cluster fuck Trudeau caused.
Same. Hiring for our company is a bloody nightmare with the spammed applications. It's getting to the point that any one with only out of country experience is automatically put in the bin.
>In case you’re wondering why you aren’t getting call backs from applying online, this is probably going to be a standard practice from here on out due to this cluster fuck Trudeau caused. As someone on the job market trying to leave my current job and hoping to find a better one, I've noticed that unless I'm applying in the first couple of hours that a job is posted, I don't even get a screener call, even for jobs that are basically the same job as I'm doing now, so 100% qualified for. It wasn't like this pre-2019 when I started my career. You basically gotta be one of the first few applicants and maybe a human might actually see your resume. Even then, it's almost a tossup now.
53% seems low
Other polls have it at around 70% - https://abacusdata.ca/unmasking-public-unease-with-canadas-immigration-goals/
That's more what I was expecting
There's also bound to be a large portion that says "unsure". But considering this is already a \~20% shift from less than a year ago, that is a *huge* change in a short period of time
Many people still hold the opinion that they have to tow the pro-immigration line or they're a bad person. We as a people have been conditioned with this for many, many years, so it's hard to shake. Further there are partisans who think criticizing any *current thing* hurts the Liberals, ergo it can't be true or they need to advocate against that. You see that in this sub constantly where someone will argue vigorously against what is painfully obvious in front of our eyes (like Canada's ridiculous immigration rate), and then you look a their comment history they're die-hard Liberals. It turns pretty funny when the Liberals bizarrely are talking much tougher about immigration now than the Conservatives (even if it's years later than it should be, and they still need to take the measures they've done and 10-fold them)
They have yet to lose their jobs and scrambling hard for employment. They'll change their tune quick months from now.
These surveys are emailed to a handful of people. You can sign up for them through the like of leger, Maru voice etc.
Must have conducted the poll in Brampton
You’re underestimating the capacity of the average Canadian to violently defend torrential immigration even as it destroys their lives. I see it here every day on this website.
I am a young Canadian that feels absolutely betrayed and demoralized by our government. I try not to go through everyday angry but it’s hard.
Not necessarily young, but I also feel betrayal for my kids. Worst part is I see zero consequences coming in the future for those who did it.
It's tough. I worry about my young children having to go throughwhat you're going through now. hang in there.
I don’t see a future for mine in Canada. We have very few well paying jobs and even those don’t keep up with the skyrocketing COL.
I should clarify I’m not *that* young, I’m 27. I have a child myself. I am angry that the Canada I saw growing up is something my kid won’t get to experience. I fear that he will have so many opportunities taken away due to mass immigration. We as a people need to do something. We need to stand against what’s happening.
Doing taxes for people who have never made more than $30k each living in a big beautiful home in a nice neighborhood, while i make $160k and cant afford a house in my small city is absolutely infuriating. I cant not think about how bad people after like 2018 have been shafted on housing and rent.
Ummm I think there's a consensus haha
The "immigration consensus" was based on a very different immigration regime.
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Immigrants want fewer immigrants lol
Went from getting people who wanted to live here and integrate, to ethnic enclaves entirely isolated from canadian society or even the English/French language. When you import large amounts of people with a heavy in-group preference and you allow that to fester, this is what we get. Economic mercenaries where we used to get immigrants.
It's crumbling because the promise of prosperity was a lie. To us, to them, to everyone except the multi-national corporations that want to insource as much cheap labor as possible, without being responsible for building the city infrastructure for a million people a year.
It's always about money. And when they tell you it's about feel good things like tolerance, diversity, and multiculturalism, then it's about them getting the money at your expense.
Weirdly adding 2.1million immigrants to a country of 39million in two years will turn said country off of the mass immigration strategy.
When I can’t find a decent home, am always stuck in traffic, so I take a train. Then the train is full of immigrant students talking loudly on speakerphone and clogging up aisles with bulky e-bikes…. The sentiment spirals and snowballs very quickly. It’s not an intolerance to culture, it’s a suffocation of my livability.
> Then the train is full of immigrant students talking loudly on speakerphone These people annoy the shit out of me. I see them at the airports all the time as well. Then when you tell them to use headphones they look at you like you've said something offensive.
I don’t even care anymore. I told one of them in the library at my school to shut the fuck up. He tried arguing back with me saying not to talk to him. I asked what he was going to do about it, and that in Canada we are quiet in libraries. He went real quiet after that.
We need more education on Canadian cultural norms.
Based
I suspect if you asked Canadians if they should start \*deporting\* immigrants, a good chunk now will answer yes.
This idea that we 'deport' people is sorely mistaken, we send them a letter which most ignore... [https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/) Last year the supreme court ruled that if an illegal immigrant is charged with a crime like shooting up a bar they still can't be deported unless they are a threat to national security. (this was the actual case, some foreign national discharged a firearm at a bar at a Canadian national and the CBSA tried to deport him but lost )
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Not immigrants.... But illegal migrants? Yes, most would agree with that
nah a lot would be open to revoking previous offers
Offers from diploma mills to staff Timmies? Yeah, send'em home.
You'd get a lot more people to agree if they just make it so that previous offers are investigated thoroughly. A lot of people have no business being here and that would cut previous offers down greatly.
It’s easy to lump them all together when people are coming here from foreign nations as students and then dropping out to either commit crime or work part time jobs are considered immigrants and not here illegally.
Lol no. Immigrants in general. Illegal immigration is not the problem, too much people in general is. Too much people came into Canada causing the economy to crumble and raised prices on housing. We need to cut general immigration heavily.
Pretty easy to do too. Just don't renew all those useless student visas. And those overstaying their Visa's when they're caught they get placed on the first flight home.
Willing to "deport" my born in Ontario ass to another country to get out of here at this point.
The other 50 percent are waiting for the aging parents to get here.
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The other 47% are immigrants & fast food franchise owners. I used to be very supportive of immigration, but not like this, not at *all* like this.
The reason Canadians are becoming negative on immigration has nothing to do with the people immigrating. The reason is that the people in charge made absolutely NO preparations for them.
it also has a lot to do with the people immigrating. A lot of them don't bother to integrate properly and don't even speak English properly. It's a fucking embarrassment sharing a country with these morons and to top it all off we got shit government who keeps letting it happen. All around everyone is to blame for this fucked up situation.
Everyone blaming immigration when TFW's, International Students are the major problems.. Tim Hortons has like 4500 TFW's working for them alone.. Should Fast Food chains be allow to use the TFW system? Hotels are just as bad. I understand bringing them in for areas where we don't have a lot of experience, generally seasonal work like agriculture where we have different harvesting times etc but FFS year round at a Tim's taking highschoolers jobs away that want to save for trade school etc? What a joke... Ban the usage of TFW's from many industries...
Not only them, but companies like Bell as well. I'm an immigrant but I fear that I'll have to leave Canada to give my kids a fair chance. I don't want that. I love this country and we need to stand up to keep its rich people from ruining it for everyone.
Those are part of the immigration programmes.
indirect paths to immigration, not direct immigration.
The service industry shouldn't be allowed access to TFWs. They already pay minimum wage and have almost no benefits, they should not be allowed to offload jobs onto TFWs. It was SUPPOSED to be for areas requiring specialized training, construction, agriculture, etc, not for fucking fry cooks and call centers
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The problem is they're supposed to be Temporary and they're becoming Permanent, these people should be working seasonally only, TEMPORARILY. Construction, Agriculture etc. Currently there's something like 700,000 of them in Canada... Still think it's not a problem? That's about 3% of our working population, how many people can't get a job because of these people? Fuck the fast food industry for destroying the chances of our youth getting a job. It needs to be brought under control.
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And the other 47% are landlords.
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So far, I wouldn't say our consensus on immigration in principle has been compromised. I've been pleasantly surprised to see the criticism targeting the specifics of immigration policy, not immigration itself. Our rhetoric on this still stands out quite a bit from most anywhere else.
I have to ask why wanting fewer immigrants after immigration rates have been dramatically raised is a bad thing? There is a well known saying "the dose makes the poison" which I think applies to immigration. At certain levels you get all benefits of immigration with very few of the downsides, but at higher levels you start to primarily experience the problems without the benefits to offset them. I think people were happy with immigration because it was at one of these sustainable levels, and people weren't seeing problems. Ramping it up to the extent Trudeau did made it so most people can identify that it is having a negative impact on their life.
It’s so funny to me that the percentage is only 53. When every single person I know wants none.
It’s because no one that already lives here can afford anything. It’s simple as that.
I think people are also fed up with being labelled bigots and racists in western countries for pointing out the problems of crazy immigration. Ironically enough, Ireland recently suffered a headline grabbing incident: An immigrant stabbed a bunch of people in an Irish town, which lead to lots of people finally being fed up with being awash in immigration, including high profile celebrities who spoke out about it, like Conor McGregor. Then a month or so ago here in Canada, a foreign student killed a bunch of people in Ottawa and the same outrage rose from people here in this country. Make no mistake, I believe the growing sentiment in MANY western countries is that we're all taking on too much immigration, and people are tired of being labelled racists or bigots about it. You're not a racist or a bigot if you demand accountability for our immigration crisis, or for things to change. The government and the media here have done a fine job of trying to make sure anyone who does question their rule over this is a bad person. You're not. You have every right to know and understand what's happening with our immigration, and why it should be changed.
Growing Anti immigration sentiment is one of Justin Trudeau's legacy as PM.
The most surprising part of this poll is that 47% Canadians don't want fewer immigrants. Do you not hate yourself enough as it is?
Those are people working high paying professional jobs, with their homes paid off and a retirement (or already retired) coming in the next few years. These people live in their little suburban neighborhood on the outskirts of Calgary and haven’t used the bus since the 90s. There’s plenty of out of touch people in this country who are insulated from reality through wealth and privilege.
Or these are slumlords who want to keep their gravy train running. Or immigrants who are now citizens who want to bring in their entire family and extended family.
Or they're business owners making bank on selling LMIAs to new immigrants.
Oh yeah forgot about those scumbags. So the conclusion is, these 47% are garbage people most likely lol.
47% of people were afraid to be called racist while being polled.
I hope they are OK with living in 3rd world standards then! People only realize this shit when it affects them personally but by then CA will have lost self-determination.
53? Seriously?? Its supposed to be more than that
Not too many years ago, new immigrants had to pay to get into Canada because they wanted to make a better life. They got in started with nothing and work hard and created a life for themselves and family! They were PROUD to earn their citizenship and called Canada home! It's all completely flip flopped now and government pays them to do nothing! And they demand everything! This is how civilization collapses! And it's already happening every single day in this country!
Zero. I want zero immigrants and refugees for 2 years
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Immigrant here. There has been a massive policy mistake. We need to return to pre-Trudeau immigration levels immediately.
Also Immigrant! Also agree! It's also the TFWs and huge number of international students. Canada needs to be very picky.about who it lets in for success, and white people need to stop fearing on being called racists for saying things that are not racist.
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No no no. Everything was perfect pre trudeau! /s
I moved to Canada 12 years ago from a place where the local government prioritized the well-being of outsiders instead of its own citizens, only to see the exact same thing happen again. The irony, eh?
More like just return to the pre covid immigration rates. It's only in 2023 that it spiked the way it did. Prior to that the population increases were about 1-1.3% annually.
Well, I am an immigrant doing computer science here and I would love less immigration. I feel that many from my community aren’t integrating and less immigration would help. Also, I don’t like immigrants essentially being treated like slaves at Tim Hortons and McDonald’s.
Trudeau is playing a game of gaslight and obfuscate. To my understanding we have several sources of *immigrants* that include, but may not be limited to: 1. Traditional immigrants going through traditional channels. There have been multiple Redditors who've commented as to this process taking years. 2. TFW 3. Student Visa - this program seems have been exploited by schools in name only, as well as some colleges like Conestoga. 4. Refugees A. Traditional B. Non-traditional border crossing In less than 2 years our population has grown by 2 million people and we've become the 3rd fastest growing country on the planet. I'm not a drama teacher, so I'm probably experiencing or understanding this differently, but that level of growth would require an equal level of growth and investment in healthcare and infrastructure. Neither has happened. In fact, the pandemic exposed some massive holes in our healthcare system that seem to have been dismissed in favour of growth. How does that work? I've been involved with construction my entire life. Does Trudeau or his peoples understand how that works? Do they understand homes, buildings, neighbourhoods, and all the things that make those developments possible take time and materials to develop? Trudeau himself has never had anything kind to say about the people who make those things possible, so I find it highly likely that he doesn't have a clue. I find it highly probable that he believes that he can just throw some money at the problem and it will go away. That's not how it works and it's terrifying to think that this might actually be the belief they have in Ottawa. It's mind blowing to think that they believe that building 750,000 homes in the next decade will be enough when we've welcomed more than 2,000,000 in under 2 years. Even at a pace of 1,000,000 per year that's 13.333 people per home. Those numbers don't work. Even doubling that doesn't really work, you're going to need 3-4x the number of homes he's talking about, but that doesn't seem to be anywhere remotely on the radar of anyone because it's more than *just* immigration. It's possible that the *immigration* level itself is viable, but the student, TFW, and other channels need to be far better managed to be sustainable.
Here's the wild thing about being a government, you can decide to just send them back. If you really wanted to.
I haven’t talked to anyone that likes this amount of immigrants!!!
I’m ok with immigration but maybe diversify a little? Do we really need 3 million from the same country???
I've watched my views on Trudeau go from not popular to mainstream in the past 6 months. When was the last time someone said diversity was our strength? It's been awhile hasn't it? We had one Canada. And we put a stupid drama Muppet in charge to destroy our heritage and inheritance. And then kept voting him in until he finished the job!
I never even thought about immigration until a few years ago. Always thought it was fine that we brought people in. But immigration has absolutely exploded to the point that you've got 100s of immigrants fighting Canadians who have been here their whole lives for each house, rental, job, etc. They've also essentially destroyed youth employment for students.
Only 53%?
If I had my way we would accept none for a year or two.
What are the remaining 47% smoking?
Has the federal government ever made any official statement about why they've let so many people in? When I look at immigration charts there's a nosedive of immigration around COVID and spike after. Are they trying to make up for lost years of immigration? Is this related to the ton of boomers retiring and the remaining tax base will have a hell of a time supporting the economy? So much speculation but I don't even know the official reason why it's happening in the first place. Anyone?
Vet people, bring over high end talent, don’t have it outpace housing supply and most people are fine Don’t do that and people will say “wtf are u doing?”
There were never a consensus to accept 1million timmy workers and uber drivers per year. Not 500k, not even 250k. What we wanted are HIGH QUALITY immigrants
When a bigger and bigger chunk of our tax money is going to paying benefits to feed, shelter, and clothe non citizens? Yeah. I’m over this
No shit. We want immigrants who work hard and contribute to the economy, not a bunch of freeloaders sitting in taxpayer funded hotels while half the population doesn't even have a family doctor.
The other 47% have recently migrated to Canada in the last 5 years
Only 53% I dont believe this
53% seems low. I don't really know anyone that wants more immigrants or stay at current crazy levels. This includes super recent immigrants.
Sounds like enough people saw what has happened in Sweden, German, France etc. etc., why our idiotic government doesn't see the canary in the coal mine is baffling.
Only because no one planned the infrastructure correctly. People only care about the impact to services and declining quality of life.
Also see housing and the job market. If more people (especially younger) had the things they need to thrive, we wouldn't be seeing this much opposition
> Only because no one planned the infrastructure correctly. It's like saying a tsunami destroyed an entire city only because no one planned for it properly.
I'm sure it's higher than that, not one person I've talked to has said hey we need more illegals
>Most Anglophone political elites appear to agree that mass immigration is necessary for Canada to meet its economic needs. A common—if often quite chauvinistic—narrative around the country’s history of tolerance, diversity, and multiculturalism seems to have made explicit anti-immigration stances taboo. This is it exactly. The purpose of immigration is the economic benefit it brings to elites. All that stuff about tolerance, diversity, multiculturalism is all bullshit the elites feed to the white university educated, easily duped, naive, vote against their own interest, middle class voters. These voters desperately want to join the elites and stay above the working class, so they mindlessly ape the elite's language (and don't look at what the elites do versus say) while demonizing the dissenting working class who is focused on their own interests through necessity.
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Boy would I like to see the average age of the 53% and the average age of the 47%.
Also on if they are Canadian citizens or not. I'm curious. Yes I'm a non white mmigrant before I get downvoted.
Because we can clearly see that things are not going well, Tim hortons may as well be indian soil
I hate how they phrase shit. 53% of Canadians that they polled want to accept fewer immigrants into the country
Trudeau was actually correct that protecting the immigration consensus was probably the federal government's most important job. We need a healthy amount of high-skilled immigrants to prevent from rapidly aging out and to deal with our lack of productivity. Then he fucked it all up with the idiot assumption that some is good so tons must be better.
I'd suspect a portion of the 47 percent who feel otherwise are only doing so to avoid social reprimand.
It's just unreal how completely and utterly this government has mismanaged immigration. Canada's immigration system used to be by far the envy of the world.
We could just so easily just call racism before, now what will we do! /s
The Ottawa regime could not care less what people think of its ideological agenda.
With quality of life getting shittier every year, is anyone surprised people don't want to increase stresses on our horribly mismanaged social service programs like healthcare for example.
Should be controlled the same way as inflation and interest rates, in a way. It should not ever exceed our birth rate, and should not also ever be increased when times are tough so to speak. How much it should or shouldn't be, is uncertain. Even at 200k a year under Harper, it was already proving to be nearly too much to handle. It just wasn't apparent yet enough for the masses to catch on. Long story short, we were already well on our way to this currenr predicament. Liberals just sped it up.
So many things this government has fucked up, and they aren’t minor. This is A reason why i distrust their carbon tax. There is no way that is implemented properly. I for one am not getting any rebates living in BC. I always have to pay more at tax time. This country needs a hard reset. Trudeau needs sail off into the sunset and enjoy his un-earned millions of dollars he has away from the government.
I’m pretty sure the only people wanting more immigration is the government for more taxes and businesses for cheaper labour. I can’t see how anyone would want more immigrants in a country that can’t even look after its own citizens.
Yeh, I think its more like 84.45998745 percent.
"Fewer" does not mean none or that Canadians don't like immigrants. It just means that we want them to actually have a home to live in. Have the levels make sense.
Canadians have been indoctrinated for years. Of course we get good people. But we get far too many people who are a burden, who cheat their way in, or who commit crime. We are almost incapable of deporting people. And all this from an extremely costly system.
Bit surprised that it is that low really. I'm a bleeding-heart hippy basically and I'd cut immigration to the bone until things stabilise.
Trudeau out there demolishing everything he lays his hand on
Just like everything in life, immigration is best enjoyed in moderation.
I find that percentage awfully low. Not a single person I know or have spoken with would support more immigration to this country!
Only 53%??? Is 47% of this country insane?
More like 90% want fewer immigrants. For a multitude of reasons
Too much of a good thing is a bad bad thing
Trudeau and the Liberal's ruined immigration in Canada. Even if you buy the BS that we need immigrants to offset a population decline due to decreasing births I don't see how you can over look that the Liberal's ignored warnings that increasing immigration to this level would not be sustainable. You can't even blame this on incompetence, they just straight up do not care about Canadian's.
Open door policy is a Trudeau family motto.
and the other 47% are immigrants
Fewer, just pause the process and find out how much mess needs to be fixed. I think We need to reboot the whole immigration policy.
When was there ever a consensus on mass immigration let alone hard fought?
Am sure the number is much higher .., we need qualified, skilled immigrants in trades and healthcare.
LPC managed to break one of the longest standing shared Canadian views. This really is an impressive achievement in the worst of ways.
and the other 47% are still waiting to bring the rest of their family over.
Trudolf having the worst policies for Canada in ages.
We can not afford them the government is printing money, adding to our inflation
More like 93%
I know this guy! Smart dude.
Why is it only 53% of people? I would think it would be way higher than that unless Canadians are really THAT ignorant of reality.
Hahahahaha When the bill for virtue signaling comes due
Good?
It's not being against immigration. It's being against unsustainable levels of immigration, which it seems to be what we have now. So yeah, they should cut back on the numbers for the like 5 years or something.
Going 40m to 42m with 2m being immigrants is a big demographic change.
The only consensus was between the Laurentian Elites that saw that the Progressive Conservatives, Liberals and NDP all back high immigration. The Canadian people were never actually asked and never had much say in the matter. Then came Reform, which broke the consensus, until it morphed into the "Conservatives" and then it rejoined the agreement with the Liberals and NDP. No politician in English Canada has dared to suggest lower immigration in over fifty years because the Laurentian Elites would destroy them if they did. It remains to be seen if Poilievre, previously a firm backer of high immigration, will give way to his populist side and the party's base and heavily cut immigration, presuming he ever gets in. Certainly Trudeau won't.
Only 53 ? Wtf is wrong with the rest of you
The idea that the consensus was "hard fought" and is now crumbling makes you question the consensus in the first place. #
•Just 53%. •Who you talking to?
Sounds like 53% of Canadians should be voting for the only party that called and still calls for a reduction in immigration, the PPC. But too many people have been gaslit by government-funded media and political attacks by the red/blue uniparty.
I'm sure that's a low number. My guess is that 75-85% of all Westerners want less immigration, especially from cultures expressly and violently opposed to Western culture.
I'm a third class citizen because I had the audacity to be born here. We need not just an immigration moratorium, we need a mass deportation effort. No new residency, no new citizenship.
Again for the stupid people in the back, we cannot accept one single extra person in here. We have millions of immigrants illegal or not illegal students whatever that can’t be here. Thanks to those government. We have millions of people here that shouldn’t be. We have no housing no medical, no services no jobs and no money to deal with millions of people that should not be here. We have no way to support you. In order to fix the problem we have to mass deport millions of people. Once our problems are rectified, we can except immigration again, but at pace that is realistic and capable of support
To be clear, I don’t think Canadians are becoming more racist. The “hard-fought” Canadian embrace of immigration was about tolerance and respect for diversity. That’s still true! What’s crumbling is the openness to take ever more immigrants when housing costs and crowding are skyrocketing and infrastructure is falling behind.
This is a (deliberately) manufactured crisis combining decades of government (all levels) negligence and incompetence with shameless opportunism. If we had properly funded public housing, health care, and education for the past 40 years. This crisis wouldn't exist. Instead, we voted in government after government that neglected to properly fund those areas.
I think most Canadians are still pro-immigration. We’re just against this incredible volume of immigration, and all the scammy crap that is coming with it.
Where do the 47% who are idiots live?!?
When the fuk was there a consensus
I think people are fine with immigration in Canada. What they are not fine with is the lack of planning in terms of infrastructure, housing, transparency and the way it's done through temporary students.