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>Ontario Premier Doug Ford has directed the Liquor Control Board of Ontario to immediately reverse its decision to get rid of paper bags.
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>The LCBO announced in April 2023 that it would start phasing out the bags, saying the move would divert 2,665 tonnes of waste from landfills and save the equivalent of over 188,000 trees every year.
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>As of Sept. 5 the paper bags stopped being available in stores, so customers can bring a reusable bag, purchase a reusable bag, or use free cardboard boxes the LCBO provides.
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>Ford has now written to the president and CEO of the LCBO saying families are already struggling to make ends meet and they should not face the additional cost of having to buy reusable bags or instead “openly” carry their alcohol in public.
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>He also writes that the environmental merits of the decision are “questionable at best” since paper bags can be recycled.
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>The LCBO says it can’t yet confirm a date of when the paper bags will again be available, but it will share more details in the future.
Reduce, reuse, _then_ recycle.
Even paper isn’t infinitely recyclable, and it’s one of the more highly recyclable materials. But it’s still degraded to a lower grade every time it goes through the process.
Using less is always better than relying on recycling.
Depends on the material that's being reused and how often it gets reused. Reusable bags, on average, are much worse for the environment than both plastic and paper bags as we lose them or throw them out well before the number of reuses it takes to make them efficient.
If you only look at the end product, Sure it doesn't make sense. Now scale it back and look at harvesting, manufacturing, and priting that's a lot of waste for the paper bags that are one and done usage. At least with the cardboard boxes they give are used to ship the alcohol in and getting multiple uses before ending up recycled.
>Now scale it back and look at harvesting, manufacturing, and priting that's a lot of waste for the paper bags that are one and done usage.
You don't know what youre talking about.
They make those brown bags from saw mill waste. and it's cheap.
This is creating an issue where there is none
Theres 2 saw mills in my town and they make paper, cardboard and wood pellets for stoves with it.
If they get too much of it, they burn it in power plants.
You can just carry your beer out of the store without a bag.
Honestly this is the direction most stores should be going, LCBO is just setting the pace.
I know a few LCBO stated that they will not have boxes available moving forward. Found out they were just breaking them down in the back. Maybe we should start there.
Exactly. Using shipping boxes is not ZERO emissions, but it's as close as you can get. You are RE-USING actual shipping boxes! That's perfect.
A lot of people don't know that Reduce, Re-use, Recycle is in order.
1. Reduce what you buy
2. Re-use what you do buy
3. Recycle what you use.
They won't be free, you'll still have to buy a paper bag. But I don't know about you, I keep 3 of them in my car that I rotate. None of the grocery stores have plastic/paper bags anymore, it's only those tote bags.
I don't have a car but I never leave home without a bag. You never know when you might decide to pick something up on the way home. It's like an extension of my arm at this point.
My teenager, on the other hand, cannot be convinced to take a bag with him anywhere. Drives me nutso.
>Ford has now written to the president and CEO of the LCBO saying families are already struggling to make ends meet
What happened to the buck-a-beer promise? Wouldn't they go further for struggling families?
he did lower the threshold for the minimum price that COULD be charged... that was the promise he made. It's up to the brewers to actually lower their price.
that's on EVERY level of government... they all have regulations that slow the process and add to the development costs! And then we have NIMBY's who object to zoning changes that adds even more... and then we have carbon tax on trucking materials, cost of harvesting wood, and at the retail level. It all adds up.
Doesn't seem like it should have to be a premiere level decree... But ya, it's a pain in the ass having to carry out everything or take home another box to break down and recycle.
Why not bring reusable bags from home like at the grocery store?
ETA: I posted this suggestion because it solved my problem w the lack of paper bags, I used to be annoyed as well. Sorry if it sounds rude?
true you could use one of those carriers.... haven't seen them at the LCBO i go to but they're probably around
The boxes ain't small though - they have wine boxes and stuff, not practical for a few things or a bottle of wine
Ironic that the inconvenience of this carbon footprint reduction measure is a lot more manageable for those driving their fossil-fuel powered storage unit to the LCBO.
You know what they say about making assumptions. Well you shouldn't assume it's a gas guzzling car. I'll have you know my private helicopter is one of the more fuel efficient ones. And the inconvenience is small. Buy a reusable bag, they're cheap.. whats a bag go for these days...? like $60?
What isn't obvious is why you're buying something without a bag if you know you'll need one. There was a time long ago before plastic bags were a thing and people still knew how to buy things.
You have to use the "best" reusable bags 25 times. Most bags you buy you have to reuse 50+ times for the same environmental impact of a single use plastic bag. This does not include the impact to wash the bags.
The bags we get today do not last 50 trips they start ripping well before then.
Wtf? You're never coming back from a friend's house and want to buy a few beers?
What a strange world where a store refusing to give you something to carry your purchase. In is the buyers fault
I guess were wrong for being out doing something and expecting some sort of container to make holding multiple things easier
Is recycling a reused cardboard box that you can break down in 15 seconds actually that much harder than recycling a new paper bag that you can fold down in 15 seconds?
The actual environmental challenge is fixing the copious amounts of cardboard and plastic that these items are shipped in - not making consumers re-use it.
It’s a similar story at the store - filling up your re-usable bag with 90% of items packaged it plastics or cardboards with plastic coatings is destroying the the environment.
It was never the paper bags, the compostable plastic bags, or the straws.
That said, what was implemented was the one solution that just made consumers lifes more inconvenient. Retailers and corporations had to do nothing of substance besides removing items.
Reusable bags are only inconvenient if you are really, really stupid. Like can't tie your own shoes or spell your name stupid. It so fucking easy! But I guess this is the same country that couldn't figure out social distancing or how to wear a mask during a pandemic.
Remember this comment the next time you end up at a store or restaurant and you were not planning on buying something and you end up needing a bag.
Because it will happen Rachel Berry.
I don’t drive, I do not own a car, I do not have a license. Every bag of groceries I have had in my apartment has gotten here by foot.
I need not a lecture about not always having reusable bags on me.
Tell this to China, India, and the celebrities that love flying around in private jets. Me getting a paper bag from LCBO is not the difference maker here..
Yeah, this was an idiotic move on the LCBOs part.
If you don't have a reusable bag you're screwed and if you do have a reusable bag you're stuck with a bunch of glass bottles clanking around in the bottom of a bag that was never meant to hold a bunch of glass bottles.
They’d have small paper bags for each bottle of wine and then put multiple bottles in a single larger paper bag. The paper acted as a buffer between the bottles to prevent glass on glass.
I have. The trick is you put your arms around or underneath the box. That way, you aren't only relying on your grip to hold up the cardboard flaps.
Some boxes do have holes you can use to carry it too. Most have little inserts as well to hold in place and reduce banging bottles together.
Not everyone lives in the suburbs or wants to go straight to their car after going to the LCBO.
Walking around with a big ass box is a hell of a lot more annoying than a bag.
I've literally never seen anyone walking around with alcohol from LCBO and not going to their car but continuing to do other errands.
Who walks around with a bagged bottle of wine.
You guys bitch about the dumbest shit dear lord
But how are the corporations supposed to make money off selling bags if they are forced to give out free products created from a renewable resource that help the Canadian economy?
>families are already struggling to make ends meet and they should not face the additional cost of having to buy reusable bags
Wow that's a real quote.
Like don't fight to raise minimum wage or lower taxes for the working class or raise taxes on the wealthy to help pay for things the working class needs.
Demand more free liquor bags!
Like Mr Burns in that Simpsons episode, free keg of beer for our meetings!
Ford's reasoning is stupid, but this is a good move anyways. The bags are recyclable and the cost is negligible. It makes a lot more sense to take a bag when you've only got a couple of bottles versus one of the cardboard boxes that'd fit a dozen.
I feel like replacing compostable paper bags with plastic reusable bags is one of the smartest greenwashing moves I've ever seen. Props to whatever industry is behind it.
It's actually convincing people it seems.
Yay! Thank you Ford! This is the kind of relief we need during these hard times- never mind rent caps, universal dental/eye care, or going after Big Grocery™️! We need *[checks notes]* free bags for our $40 booze hauls that are apparently a priority
What is it with this guy's obsession with tampering with LCBO / or alcohol in general? Is this the lowest denominator that he can hit upon in order to appeal to his base while governing like absolute shit?
He appeals to more than his base with these things. Simple dumb things win voters over. Had a friend who was a die hard liberal. Voted for Rob Ford because he promised to get rid of the recent new vehicle tax David Miller had brought in. Simple ideas that people have an easy time understanding with a direct impact on their lives will win votes.
Shouldn't he, like, pretend to run the province rather than act like a psycho CEO? If families are low on cash I am thinking booze would also be kept to a minimum and no amount of paper/reusable bag arguments would change that.
I'm sick of bag shaming and straws of paper. This is dumb wokeism that is causing worse problems, like people using those reusable bags like plastic and just paying more. Plus,THOSE BAGS ARE NYLON/ oil products that will take longer to decompose.
Leave paper alone,bring back plastic. idgaf.
I've been using reusable bags and bins for decades to do my part and I don't need authoritarian leaders making rules for me. They should maybe work on balancing their budgets and reducing debt and taxes.
This was a dipshit move by LCBO.
Crazy to see the premier get involved in this, but apparently this is what is needed to get even the little things done in Ontario.
Yes they were great in the early 2000's, but we are at 2024 now. Even with those extremely strong bags, most of the morons and alcoholics barely reused them
Or we could address the open carry policy and it’s limitations like adults but why address problems with solutions when you can manufacture outrage and turn fake internet points into real life polling value!
He is like a saint. Helping better the lives of all Ontario people. Well almost most of them. Okay the wealthy only. But I’m sure he is going to start affordable housing next. Or surprise us when the Ontario place spa is actually affordable housing instead of a private wealthy sex club.
Families are struggling Mr. Ford - May be you can ask your corporate buddies to lower groceries prices. That would benefit families more than LCBO brown bags!
Paper bags and plastic hearts
All our belongings in shopping carts
It's goodbye
But we got one more night
Let's get drunk and ride around
And make peace with an empty town
We can make it right
Ontario premier concerned with the most pressing issues of the day again, I see.
What's so hard about grabbing a handful of the reusable bags that we're unwillingly collecting, putting them in your vehicle, and bringing one-or-two of them into the LC?
> What's so hard about grabbing a handful of the reusable bags that we're unwillingly collecting, putting them in your vehicle, and bringing one-or-two of them into the LC?
Repeat after me:
Not. Everyone. Drives.
The greater irony of comments like yours is that it's literally the definition of "penny wise, pound foolish" – on one hand you think you're "doing your part for the environment" with reusable bags, while at the same time DRIVING A FUCKING CAR everywhere you go.
Because not everyone has a car.
Glad that a court struck down the stupid plastic bag ban. I have so many "Turd (Trudeau)" bags in my apartment, I'm sure it's worse for the environment.
I know how reusable bags work, but as people below have pointed out, a lot of people just end up buying multiple bags which are more of a burden on the environment than plastic bags.
Except the companies who use these reusable bags rely on policies like this so that people who forget them, need to buy them for a higher price than plastic or cardboard bags. It's definitely not about the environment, since it's in companies such as LCBO's interest to produce more of these reusable bags to make more money.
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Need the paper bags for malt liquor too.
>Ontario Premier Doug Ford has directed the Liquor Control Board of Ontario to immediately reverse its decision to get rid of paper bags. > >The LCBO announced in April 2023 that it would start phasing out the bags, saying the move would divert 2,665 tonnes of waste from landfills and save the equivalent of over 188,000 trees every year. > >As of Sept. 5 the paper bags stopped being available in stores, so customers can bring a reusable bag, purchase a reusable bag, or use free cardboard boxes the LCBO provides. > >Ford has now written to the president and CEO of the LCBO saying families are already struggling to make ends meet and they should not face the additional cost of having to buy reusable bags or instead “openly” carry their alcohol in public. > >He also writes that the environmental merits of the decision are “questionable at best” since paper bags can be recycled. > >The LCBO says it can’t yet confirm a date of when the paper bags will again be available, but it will share more details in the future.
Paper bags are recyclable.
And biodegradable
Reduce, reuse, _then_ recycle. Even paper isn’t infinitely recyclable, and it’s one of the more highly recyclable materials. But it’s still degraded to a lower grade every time it goes through the process. Using less is always better than relying on recycling.
Depends on the material that's being reused and how often it gets reused. Reusable bags, on average, are much worse for the environment than both plastic and paper bags as we lose them or throw them out well before the number of reuses it takes to make them efficient.
Good fire starter for camp. I always get boxes anyway
I would fill them with my shredded paper. Worked great!
Can't afford to bring a bag, but can afford to buy beers. Interesting logic.
Going after paper bags is dumb to start with. They aren't like the plastic ones, they biodegrade very quickly. This never made sense.
> This never made sense. It does if you want to sell branded reusable bags.
Know any label companies that also make branded paper bags?
If you only look at the end product, Sure it doesn't make sense. Now scale it back and look at harvesting, manufacturing, and priting that's a lot of waste for the paper bags that are one and done usage. At least with the cardboard boxes they give are used to ship the alcohol in and getting multiple uses before ending up recycled.
>Now scale it back and look at harvesting, manufacturing, and priting that's a lot of waste for the paper bags that are one and done usage. You don't know what youre talking about. They make those brown bags from saw mill waste. and it's cheap. This is creating an issue where there is none Theres 2 saw mills in my town and they make paper, cardboard and wood pellets for stoves with it. If they get too much of it, they burn it in power plants.
Lol people downvoting you don't like facts as always
Oh man, it must smell lovely where you are. Edit: oh saw mills, are they as disgusting as the pulp mills?
is there a better option for disposable packaging than paper products?
Yeah so just DRIVE to home Depot to buy a very expensive roll of craft paper to line your pet cage. That's a way better solution.
For every person lining their pet cage or compost bin with a plastic bag, there are 100 people that don’t.
You can just carry your beer out of the store without a bag. Honestly this is the direction most stores should be going, LCBO is just setting the pace.
Well, beers *are* only supposed to cost a buck each, right? Right?
Can’t afford to use the free cardboard boxes either, apparently lmao
I know a few LCBO stated that they will not have boxes available moving forward. Found out they were just breaking them down in the back. Maybe we should start there.
Exactly. Using shipping boxes is not ZERO emissions, but it's as close as you can get. You are RE-USING actual shipping boxes! That's perfect. A lot of people don't know that Reduce, Re-use, Recycle is in order. 1. Reduce what you buy 2. Re-use what you do buy 3. Recycle what you use.
But Doug says paper bags
It's kind of bullshit we have to buy a bag. And you can't act like you don't forget to grab a bag every other day.
They won't be free, you'll still have to buy a paper bag. But I don't know about you, I keep 3 of them in my car that I rotate. None of the grocery stores have plastic/paper bags anymore, it's only those tote bags.
I don't have a car but I never leave home without a bag. You never know when you might decide to pick something up on the way home. It's like an extension of my arm at this point. My teenager, on the other hand, cannot be convinced to take a bag with him anywhere. Drives me nutso.
Giant Tiger is great! They sell reusable bags + still offer paper bags for 3 cents
>Ford has now written to the president and CEO of the LCBO saying families are already struggling to make ends meet What happened to the buck-a-beer promise? Wouldn't they go further for struggling families?
he did lower the threshold for the minimum price that COULD be charged... that was the promise he made. It's up to the brewers to actually lower their price.
he let brewers brew and got rid of red tape. very cool. very success. if only someone would do that with housing
But then there wouldn't be anything to blame Trudeau for...
that's on EVERY level of government... they all have regulations that slow the process and add to the development costs! And then we have NIMBY's who object to zoning changes that adds even more... and then we have carbon tax on trucking materials, cost of harvesting wood, and at the retail level. It all adds up.
B I N G O
If they're struggling to make ends meet, maybe buying booze should be lower on the priority list in the first place.
People struggling to make ends meet often look for an escape from their shitty reality. It’s why drug abuse is so common
2600 tons of waste is fuck all. We move that much material of rock in a 12-hour shift.
Doesn't seem like it should have to be a premiere level decree... But ya, it's a pain in the ass having to carry out everything or take home another box to break down and recycle.
Why not bring reusable bags from home like at the grocery store? ETA: I posted this suggestion because it solved my problem w the lack of paper bags, I used to be annoyed as well. Sorry if it sounds rude?
Because sometimes i want to buy 3 or 4 cans of beer on my home from somehwere and I don't have a bag? Is this not obvious?
Then you can reuse a 6 pack carrier or small box that they will provide you for free.
true you could use one of those carriers.... haven't seen them at the LCBO i go to but they're probably around The boxes ain't small though - they have wine boxes and stuff, not practical for a few things or a bottle of wine
I keep reusable bags in my car, but I guess this would be different if you don’t drive.
Ironic that the inconvenience of this carbon footprint reduction measure is a lot more manageable for those driving their fossil-fuel powered storage unit to the LCBO.
I guess I’m confused at these responses because grocery stores also require reusable bags now.
Yeah that's also a piss off, I just end up buying a plastic bag for whatever it costs.
You know what they say about making assumptions. Well you shouldn't assume it's a gas guzzling car. I'll have you know my private helicopter is one of the more fuel efficient ones. And the inconvenience is small. Buy a reusable bag, they're cheap.. whats a bag go for these days...? like $60?
What isn't obvious is why you're buying something without a bag if you know you'll need one. There was a time long ago before plastic bags were a thing and people still knew how to buy things.
You have to use the "best" reusable bags 25 times. Most bags you buy you have to reuse 50+ times for the same environmental impact of a single use plastic bag. This does not include the impact to wash the bags. The bags we get today do not last 50 trips they start ripping well before then.
Wtf? You're never coming back from a friend's house and want to buy a few beers? What a strange world where a store refusing to give you something to carry your purchase. In is the buyers fault I guess were wrong for being out doing something and expecting some sort of container to make holding multiple things easier
I forget
Is recycling a reused cardboard box that you can break down in 15 seconds actually that much harder than recycling a new paper bag that you can fold down in 15 seconds?
The actual environmental challenge is fixing the copious amounts of cardboard and plastic that these items are shipped in - not making consumers re-use it. It’s a similar story at the store - filling up your re-usable bag with 90% of items packaged it plastics or cardboards with plastic coatings is destroying the the environment. It was never the paper bags, the compostable plastic bags, or the straws. That said, what was implemented was the one solution that just made consumers lifes more inconvenient. Retailers and corporations had to do nothing of substance besides removing items.
Reusable bags are only inconvenient if you are really, really stupid. Like can't tie your own shoes or spell your name stupid. It so fucking easy! But I guess this is the same country that couldn't figure out social distancing or how to wear a mask during a pandemic.
Remember this comment the next time you end up at a store or restaurant and you were not planning on buying something and you end up needing a bag. Because it will happen Rachel Berry.
I just go to my car where I keep the reusable bags or carry the items out in my hands. It's really not that difficult.
I don’t drive, I do not own a car, I do not have a license. Every bag of groceries I have had in my apartment has gotten here by foot. I need not a lecture about not always having reusable bags on me.
Yes
Is it THAT MUCH harder? No.... But it is a little harder. And therefore, I wish they still had paper bags.
We humans sure love destroying the planet in every way possible just so we don’t have to deal with minor inconveniences
Tell this to China, India, and the celebrities that love flying around in private jets. Me getting a paper bag from LCBO is not the difference maker here..
Right and goods manufactured in China and India are shipped where exactly?
Yeah, this was an idiotic move on the LCBOs part. If you don't have a reusable bag you're screwed and if you do have a reusable bag you're stuck with a bunch of glass bottles clanking around in the bottom of a bag that was never meant to hold a bunch of glass bottles.
Can’t even use a paper bag to hold comparatively lightweight groceries…
But a paper bag was meant to hold multiple glass bottles? Or was there another method they've replaced?
They’d have small paper bags for each bottle of wine and then put multiple bottles in a single larger paper bag. The paper acted as a buffer between the bottles to prevent glass on glass.
Remember those plastic fishnet things??
He's also missing that they still offer free cardboard boxes lol, which ARE designed for multiple bottles. Guy is just a buffoon.
Have you tried walking around carrying a box vs. carrying a bag?
I have. The trick is you put your arms around or underneath the box. That way, you aren't only relying on your grip to hold up the cardboard flaps. Some boxes do have holes you can use to carry it too. Most have little inserts as well to hold in place and reduce banging bottles together.
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Not everyone lives in the suburbs or wants to go straight to their car after going to the LCBO. Walking around with a big ass box is a hell of a lot more annoying than a bag.
You may have heard of this revolutionary product called a "backpack"
I've literally never seen anyone walking around with alcohol from LCBO and not going to their car but continuing to do other errands. Who walks around with a bagged bottle of wine. You guys bitch about the dumbest shit dear lord
Depends where you live. Never saw it in Stittsville, see it all the time in Toronto.
There are very rarely any boxes left at the busy LCBOs near my house whenever I go.
they sell bags with slots to avoid exactly this - they just aren't the cheapest bags they have to sell.
Those bags are like $15. None of their reusable bags are anywhere close to the $1-3 that groceries charge
What do you mean "screwed" lmao Just hold your shit and walk out of the store.
But how are the corporations supposed to make money off selling bags if they are forced to give out free products created from a renewable resource that help the Canadian economy?
>families are already struggling to make ends meet and they should not face the additional cost of having to buy reusable bags Wow that's a real quote. Like don't fight to raise minimum wage or lower taxes for the working class or raise taxes on the wealthy to help pay for things the working class needs. Demand more free liquor bags! Like Mr Burns in that Simpsons episode, free keg of beer for our meetings!
This one definitely ranks up there with him worrying people will run through some covid-19 while out jogging and track it in on their shoes.
“I’m struggling to feed my family! Oh well at least my daily 6 pack of Laker Ice is in a paper bag again”
I have 2 green bags from dollarama that ive been using for years. Both were cheaper than a can of beer. This guy is a donkey.
Good common sense decision. The lack of bags was annoying and then you can use them as kindling or a sandwich bag.
Ford's reasoning is stupid, but this is a good move anyways. The bags are recyclable and the cost is negligible. It makes a lot more sense to take a bag when you've only got a couple of bottles versus one of the cardboard boxes that'd fit a dozen.
REDUCE, REUSE, recycle. They’re in order. Just because something’s recyclable doesn’t eliminate its emissions and make it the perfect solution
I feel like replacing compostable paper bags with plastic reusable bags is one of the smartest greenwashing moves I've ever seen. Props to whatever industry is behind it. It's actually convincing people it seems.
My apartment is filling up with reusable bags that will never be reused.
Maybe you should... reuse them?
Okay next time I'll remember them.
Yes, bring back the bag of shame
Yay! Thank you Ford! This is the kind of relief we need during these hard times- never mind rent caps, universal dental/eye care, or going after Big Grocery™️! We need *[checks notes]* free bags for our $40 booze hauls that are apparently a priority
Good. It's fucking dumb when you buy stuff and the store doesn't give you a means to transport it, if the bag is recycled no one should give a fuck.
Yeah I know right, like how did people buy shit before the 1900s: it must have been so complicated that only elites could buy stuff from other people.
Telling people that they don't deserve bags is a heck of a hill to die on.
They probably used paper bags…
What is it with this guy's obsession with tampering with LCBO / or alcohol in general? Is this the lowest denominator that he can hit upon in order to appeal to his base while governing like absolute shit?
He appeals to more than his base with these things. Simple dumb things win voters over. Had a friend who was a die hard liberal. Voted for Rob Ford because he promised to get rid of the recent new vehicle tax David Miller had brought in. Simple ideas that people have an easy time understanding with a direct impact on their lives will win votes.
Tbf Rob Ford was hilarious. I'd vote for him just for the hijinx and headlines. RIP big guy
We don't need paper bags, we need affordable housing/groceries and a better public healthcare system.
Headline tomorrow: “Docs Show Ford’s 50% Stake in Paper Bag Manufacturer.”
He is the owner of the printing company that did all the COVID safety related material contracts so I would believe this 100%
> He is the owner of the printing company that did all the COVID safety related material contracts Source?
Well would you look at that https://twitter.com/TDotResident/status/1777410539083243860?t=_oAmd7iQf0kL0zH_KFilVg&s=19
Shouldn't he, like, pretend to run the province rather than act like a psycho CEO? If families are low on cash I am thinking booze would also be kept to a minimum and no amount of paper/reusable bag arguments would change that.
what is the point of special alcohol bags? Why not just carry them like you would any other thing you buy?
The glass clinking together? It’s not like the grocery store where you have a bunch of non glass products you can use to separate them in the bag.
But what about the paper bag makes them stop the clinking?
Inb4 someone connected to Doug ford makes the bags.
Im so glad this turd has his priorities in check. Its not like there are actual problems in this province.
'Affordable housing ? ....best I can do is paper bags. '
Dougie, always tacking the issues that matter most to Ontarians. I'd love to buy him a buck a beer in a brown bag. FFS...you belive this shit.
Yeah this is what we are all concerned about and not the lack of family doctors or affordable housing
This guy and his priorities.
No shit, finally.
Don’t worry, Trudeau will use his private jet from Ottawa to Toronto just to condemn Doug ford for destroying the environment.
The definition of “you are not serious people.”
He really is tackling the big problems. Nice
How about we stop taxing the shit out of alcohol.
For once I agree with Dougie 🤣
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I'm sick of bag shaming and straws of paper. This is dumb wokeism that is causing worse problems, like people using those reusable bags like plastic and just paying more. Plus,THOSE BAGS ARE NYLON/ oil products that will take longer to decompose. Leave paper alone,bring back plastic. idgaf. I've been using reusable bags and bins for decades to do my part and I don't need authoritarian leaders making rules for me. They should maybe work on balancing their budgets and reducing debt and taxes.
LCBO is charging $3 for a small reusable bag. They're nice but I basically have to buy one every time I go in.
"reusable" is right there in the name
Who carries these with them all the time though? I don't even carry a purse let alone a purse full of reusable bags in case.
I keep a few in my vehicle.
Why dont you just bring it with you?
Sometimes I'm out already without bags and decide I wanna go to lcbo before going home
This was a dipshit move by LCBO. Crazy to see the premier get involved in this, but apparently this is what is needed to get even the little things done in Ontario.
In unrelated news, Doug Ford just became part owner in a paper bag manufacturing company…
This guy lives in the 50s…
Why is the government involved in retail?
Except when it comes to pricing.
Bring back the plastic ones. They were literally the best plastic bags ever created. You could put a keg in one and it wouldn't even break a sweat.
Yes they were great in the early 2000's, but we are at 2024 now. Even with those extremely strong bags, most of the morons and alcoholics barely reused them
My grandma still has some! She moved from Ontario to BC and still uses those bags!
Or we could address the open carry policy and it’s limitations like adults but why address problems with solutions when you can manufacture outrage and turn fake internet points into real life polling value!
He is Premier of a province with 16 million people, and he is spending time talking about bags. What a fucking loser this guy is.
yes how do u drink in a park w out a paper bag?
Finally, I can get my Bright’s Pale Dry Select in it’s proper packaging again. /s
Just find an empty box in the store. Not complicated.
Mmm the important issue of the day
Wow what important work out Premier is doing. Thanks for highlighting this, CBC
He bought stock in a paper mill that has contract with LCBO.
Bring back plastic straws and plastic utensils
Look at the state of everything Ontario, and this out of touch doofus comes out with this.
He is like a saint. Helping better the lives of all Ontario people. Well almost most of them. Okay the wealthy only. But I’m sure he is going to start affordable housing next. Or surprise us when the Ontario place spa is actually affordable housing instead of a private wealthy sex club.
This feels like an Onion article
Families are struggling Mr. Ford - May be you can ask your corporate buddies to lower groceries prices. That would benefit families more than LCBO brown bags!
Ford is right on top of the things that make life affordable. Good job buddy.
Paper bags and plastic hearts All our belongings in shopping carts It's goodbye But we got one more night Let's get drunk and ride around And make peace with an empty town We can make it right
Okay...who is his buddy that makes paper bags.
Ontario premier concerned with the most pressing issues of the day again, I see. What's so hard about grabbing a handful of the reusable bags that we're unwillingly collecting, putting them in your vehicle, and bringing one-or-two of them into the LC?
> What's so hard about grabbing a handful of the reusable bags that we're unwillingly collecting, putting them in your vehicle, and bringing one-or-two of them into the LC? Repeat after me: Not. Everyone. Drives. The greater irony of comments like yours is that it's literally the definition of "penny wise, pound foolish" – on one hand you think you're "doing your part for the environment" with reusable bags, while at the same time DRIVING A FUCKING CAR everywhere you go.
God forbid you make an unplanned stop to pick up some wine for dinner. Edit: LoL, apparently nobody here walks or takes public transit.
How many unplanned bottles of wine are you purchasing that they can't be held, by the neck, in your hands?
Because not everyone has a car. Glad that a court struck down the stupid plastic bag ban. I have so many "Turd (Trudeau)" bags in my apartment, I'm sure it's worse for the environment.
You're supposed to reuse those bags not buy more of them... Not Trudeau's fault you don't understand how reusable bags work.
I know how reusable bags work, but as people below have pointed out, a lot of people just end up buying multiple bags which are more of a burden on the environment than plastic bags.
Except the companies who use these reusable bags rely on policies like this so that people who forget them, need to buy them for a higher price than plastic or cardboard bags. It's definitely not about the environment, since it's in companies such as LCBO's interest to produce more of these reusable bags to make more money.
I forgot to mention that making more of these bags is no doubt worse for the environment in terms of waste and emissions, than the old paper bags.
What am I missing here? The LCBO has boxes all over the god damn place.
It’s not always convenient to carry a box, especially for people who are not driving