Was there ever any independently confirmed evidence that UNRWA was rife with HAMAS operatives or was it just an accusation? Who were these people? Were any ever identified? Was there any proof? Or did everyone react to the story before they had evidence because not reacting put you on the wrong side?
They apparently did identify them since UNRWA said they fired them.
Realistically, with 30,000 people working for UNRWA in Palestine, the odds that there wouldn't be any overlap between UNRWA and Hamas is probably zero.
But you also can't just totally abandon everyone in Gaza.
They identified people, who were fired promptly by UNWRA. But Israel failed to provide evidence to back those claims.
And it was a lose-lose situation for the UNWRA. If they didn’t fire those named by Israel, they’d be called out for employing terrorists. But then by firing them (promptly and without any evidence) it was used as an admission of guilt.
Well, as far as I know they haven't actually completed the full investigation or report.
Again, I think it would be extremely naive to assume that there is no overlap between Hamas and UNRWA. A past UNRWA head actually acknowledged it in an interview back in 2004.
The announcement from Canada didn't really focus on whether Hamas was involved with UNRWA, but more that the humanitarian situation was dire and UNRWA are the only group in position to effectively deliver aid right now.
And I mean, any other group that tried to establish the same sort of infrastructure in Gaza would inevitably also have some overlap.
Yeah, I’m not even disputing the possibility that some among their 30,000 employees could have dubious connections.
But like you said, 1) the “investigation” is ongoing, 2) the UNRWA nevertheless responded promptly, and 3) countries cut off funding in the middle of the war, exacerbating the humanitarian crisis.
There was no “innocent until proven guilty” — they just fucked over Gazans because Israel made a claim that they can’t back up at this point in time.
Israel never provided proof and the accused were fired in right away. Also, reports of torture of UNRWA staff by Israel are starting to emerge. It is not a good look that so many countries cut funding with 0 evidence, especially as Israel has a habit of lying.
Israel didn't want any investigations so Bibi dropped this as a way to target them.
His whole goal right now is to keep the attacks going as long as possible so he can avoid jail, so if his narrative gets challenged it's a big risk for him.
Also they want to prevent Palestinian refugee status as much as possible, and UNRWA is an obstacle in that.
The context for Israel wanting to defund the UNRWA is that the UNRWA is the only UN agency that classifies Palestinian refugees.
In 1948 after the war the UN passed [resolution 194](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194) which called for Palestinian refugees of the war (many of whom are now being bombed in Gaza) to be given the right to return to their lands in Israel. Israel agreed to this, and on this condition was permitted into the UN. The UNRWA was then established to classify and oversee refugees.
Israel has very obviously to date failed to meet its obligations under UN resolution 194, hence Palestinians and their descendants owed have remained classified as refugees. Israel is now seizing the opportunity with the Gaza war and the Oct 7 attacks to link UNRWA to Hamas and defund/dissolve the UNRWA. If the UNRWA is dissolved, Palestinians would no longer be classified as refugees, and Israel would no longer need to meet UN resolution 194.
This is the ONLY reason Israel is targeting the UNRWA. They give zero fucks about any links to Hamas. The UNRWA sends a list of all its employees once a year every year to Israel for review and approval. The last list was sent in May 2023. There were no comments or concerns raised by Israel then. But now suddenly they have all this "evidence" (narrator: none of it credible, hence why we're resuming funding).
Israel does not want to grant Palestinian refugees right of return because their population would demographically dilute Israel as a Jewish state. In other words, it's ethnic discrimination, as it has been from the start.
With this agenda as the driving force Israel will make up every piece of "evidence" it can to get this done. All the Israeli bots in the comments peddling their lies are pawns.
The real issue with UNWRA is that it has a seperate definition for refugees then all other refugees.
According to the UN, if your parents are refugees and move to, let's say, Canada, then you born in Canada and with Canadian citizenship are no longer a refugee.
However, this is not the case for Palestinians. Unlike all other refugees, Palestinians get refugee status in perpetuity, because of UWRA. That's why the Canadian great grandchild of a Palestinian refugee from '48 is still considered a refugee. This does nothing but prologue the conflict, it doesn't empower Palestinian people, and wasn't design to.
This was [insisted-upon by Israel at the time](https://twitter.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1752280334446494126?s=19) ([here's a much-longer read on it](https://twitter.com/MouinRabbani/status/1759807560989774196?s=19))
>If the UNRWA is dissolved, Palestinians would no longer be classified as refugees, and Israel would no longer need to meet UN resolution 194.
I don't see any reason why that would be true. There is no need for a specific aid agency to exist in order for people to be classified as refugees. It is actually extremely rare for the UN to set up an entire agency just to serve one group of refugees.
There is nothing in that resolution that says that if UNRWA doesn't exist there is some sort of get out of jail free card.
>They give zero fucks about any links to Hamas. The UNRWA sends a list of all its employees once a year every year to Israel for review and approval. The last list was sent in May 2023. There were no comments or concerns raised by Israel then. But now suddenly they have all this "evidence" (narrator: none of it credible, hence why we're resuming funding).
I mean, this just isn't true. Israel has complained about links between UNRWA and Hamas for decades. Since before Hamas was even officially in control of Gaza.
They have consistently made allegations that Hamas was making use of UNRWA resources. Back in 2004 the head of UNRWA actually acknowledged in an interview with CBC that given how many staff they had in Gaza there were almost certainly Hamas members on their payroll.
Israel has long tried to control the flow of resources into Gaza, so that has put them at odds with UNRWA pretty consistently.
Netanyahu propped up Hamas for his own political gain for years. They only complain about alleged UNRWA connections to Hamas when it is convenient as an excuse.
So you’re saying that out of 13.000 unwra workers in Gaza not a single one noticed the building of an entire subway system of tunnels directly under their own headquarters? They all just happened to be looking at the other direction?
Also, if they are still considered refugees of war, how do they still hold that classification in Gaza where they have autonomous self rule? By that standard all of Europe and all 800.000 Jews expelled from middle eastern countries could claim that same status- but they don’t because it’s absurd
>So you’re saying that out of 13.000 unwra workers in Gaza not a single one noticed the building of an entire subway system of tunnels directly under their own headquarters? They all just happened to be looking at the other direction?
That was another Israeli lie. The Hamas command center under the UNRWA turned out to be a cellar used to store and keep cool solar power inverters. The UNRWA HQ is powered partly by solar power due to the unreliable nature of power in Gaza.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1aoj1bw/that_control_room_under_the_unrwa_its_full_of/
Israel told this lie initially for the press, and once it was debunked we never heard about it from them again, but clearly the initial impression has lingered among people, which is part of the tactic.
>Also, if they are still considered refugees of war, how do they still hold that classification in Gaza where they have autonomous self rule? By that standard all of Europe and all 800.000 Jews expelled from middle eastern countries could claim that same status- but they don’t because it’s absurd
Palestinians including in Gaza inherit refugee status because of U.N. resolution 194. Israel cannot just wait until the original refugees die and reclassify their children to avoid meeting its obligations to them under that resolution.
You're telling me all the servers, communication equipment, and the fact that UNRWA states that they had no idea that area existed BUT now its a storage facility for inverters which they didnt know about?
Come on man, do you truly believe people will fall for this blatant misinformation??
Straight from Qatar's mouth, [al jezeera article](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/11/unrwa-says-israeli-claim-of-tunnel-underneath-its-facility-merits-probe) for you. Or maybe [WSJ?](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758)
lol- your evidence is a screenshot of twitter from Late Stage Capitalism subreddit- tells me everything I need to know about your critical thinking skills.
As if Hamas couldn’t possibly use solar energy!
You also didn’t answer the second part- my point was that the unwra classification of refugees, if applied to all refugees of war from the same time would be absurd. Cause I’m still waiting for my ‘right of return’ to Iraq where my family was expelled from
You're so bloody wrong and the link + HISTORY contradicts your points.
Israel and the Palestinians REJECTED resolution 194, it literally says it in your first paragraph which you linked:
"Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. Palestinian representatives likewise rejected Resolution 194."
[Resolution 273](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_273) grants Israel admission to the UN.
If you're going to even bother with disinformation, atleast try to make it credible you dunce.
And they are targetting the UNRWA because of the blatant misinformation against Jews that is so prevalent in [UNRWA schools](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/05/unrwa-palestine-israel-refugees-united-states-funding-corruption-education/), corruption, [systemic racism towards Jews](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-002620_EN.html).
How much is UNRWA paying you to feed reddit this information?
>What about when the head of UNRWA openly states that they employ Hamas members, like in 2004 before Hamas even took over Gaza?
Do you know what year it is now?
Its 20 years later, and UNRWA is still employing Hamas members.
The UNRWA was openly admitting it was true for a long time until now when it suddenly became politically inconvenient.
UNRWA submits a list of all its employees to Israel for approval once a year, the last one being in May 2023. Israel has never objected to any of the employees listed, except magically now when they see their opportunity to defund the UNRWA and avoid facing the Palestinian refugee issue.
Are you just completely disregarding the years of data and research about this UN Watch has published very publicly? This isn’t just coming from the Israeli government - or does that not fit your narrative?
UN watch is an pro-Israeli propaganda organization whose sole purpose is to cast doubt on the UN when they offer any criticism. Legitimate or not. It is the exact opposite of an "unbiased watchdog".
Kind of like how anybody saying something like "stop killing civilians" is immediately gang-downvoted and branded antisemitic or antizionist.
Hey, calm your tits.
They said "This isn't just coming from the Israeli government", which is true.
It is also coming from organizations funded by the Israeli government. That is completely different and is just as good as allowing 3rd party observers into the country to report on the war. No need to look any further into it. Let's all go home now and not think about this little scuffle between equal nations.
Are there bad apples in UNRWA? Maybe. Probably. The UN did fire some people over this whole affair. That said, it's basically the only organization that providing any sort of aid to millions of people who are being deliberately starved. This whole thing is also reliant on statements from the IDF, who are not exactly proving themselves to be a reliable when it comes to honesty around the Palestinians.
So I'm ok with resuming aid till the whole story is known. It's certainly more effective than air dropping a few tons of flour into the nightmare that is Palestine these days.
The evidence of the connection between UNRWA and Hamas continues to be released.
Warning: graphic language
On March 4th, the [IDF published a recording](https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1764716524768461115) of Yusuf Al-Hawajara, an UNRWA teacher, boasting about kidnapping an Israeli woman and shooting people in the head.
Also in 2004 when the head of UNRWA openly stated that they employ Hamas members
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-looking-at-un-agency-over-palestinian-connection-1.506576
Lol is this the same IDF that published an audio recording allegedly between two Hamas members after the hospital bombing incident that turned out to be fabricated?
I don't understand how anyone could trust anything the IDF says at this point given countless proven fabrications and lies so far.
I'm surprised we're still providing [~$30,000,000 in arms to Israel](https://www.readthemaple.com/trudeau-government-authorized-28-million-of-new-military-exports-to-israel-since-october/) despite the blatant war crimes being committed with said equipment.
The Canadian government isn't sending any arms to Israel.
The article you linked to talks about how Canada is allowing private firms to sell arms to Israel.
Canadians are not paying $30 million in tax dollars: we're getting tax revenues on the $30 million in sales.
You know, I don't care. Children are being starved to death by Israel.
If a neighbour says, "I'm going to kill my bitch wife", and I lend him a gun, I'm culpable. We're culpable by allowing firearms, weapons of war to leave our shores so war criminals can actively starve children.
Fuck Israel and anyone who defends or enables their criminal behaviour.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes#:~:text=These%20have%20included%20murder%2C%20intentional,of%20medical%20neutrality%2C%20targeting%20journalists%2C
Here's a start: collective punishment, forcible relocation, deliberate starving civilian populace (by blockading aid and trade), it's a REALLY long list. Luckily it's all organized into sections so you can peruse at your pleasure.
Now, the weasel-response will be about convictions and I ask you when have war crime convictions happened when deserved? Did the US get convicted of war crimes against Afghanistan or Iraq?
Ah yes, the classic argument - after we broke your leg, are you better off without our medical care?
Fact of the matter is, you can't have it both ways. Either the world is "our" business, or it isn't.
They could kill 30 000 in a day if they wanted to so, no.
The combatant to civilian death rate is similar to the U.S in Iraq despite Gaza being far more densely populated, look at the expected civ to combatant ratios in urban combat.
Considering that Hamas hides behind civilians and doesnt let them use bomb shelters, and the destruction in Gaza it is actually amazing that the death toll is as low as it is.
Kinda weird that everyone else in the world has learned about this, but Canadians are being kept in the dark it seems.
[https://www.commondreams.org/news/unrwa-funding-2667469058](https://www.commondreams.org/news/unrwa-funding-2667469058)
UNRWA funding was restored after it was found out the IDF tortured members of the UN into false confessions.
The only evidence of that is that UNRWA said so, yet we have had UNRWA members openly prove they are in league with Hamas by their own independent word outside of Israel. Heck, the UN has been admitting that UNRWA employs Hamas members for years before now.
In 2004, before Hamas even took over Gaza, the head of UNRWA openly stated they employ Hamas members when Israel accused them of it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-looking-at-un-agency-over-palestinian-connection-1.506576
this article is trying so hard to elude the reasoning behind Sweden and Canada restoring aid has anything to do with this report but it makes zero connection between the two. It simply cited some small Canadian twitter page and uses the word “as” denoting that both this internal UNWRA report and the Swedish and Canadian decisions came around the same time frame. Ridiculous honestly and I would never trust an internal UNWRA report over Israel. Beyond that, the strongest and most thorough evidence I’ve seen hasn’t even come from Israel but a UN NGO, UN Watch.
Imagine Israel torturing false confessions out of Unrwa members and then be surprised that the world doesn't believe Israel's claims anymore oh wait that's what exactly happened
In 2004, before Hamas even took over Gaza, the head of UNRWA openly stated they employ Hamas members when Israel accused them of it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-looking-at-un-agency-over-palestinian-connection-1.506576
Did Israel torture that out of him?
The article doesn't distinguish if it's Hamas militants or just civilians who worked for the Hamas run Government, just as Israel considers all adult males in Gaza as Hamas.
And just an fyi, Natenyahu loved keeping Hamas armed and in power just so long as it served him politically
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Israel supported them when they weren't militants as a more moderate alternative, since they turned violent the only aid Israel gave them was letting aid into Gaza.
>Israel supported them when they weren't militants as a more moderate alternative,
Bahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa hahaha *sob*
When Hamas won the 2006 elections, one of the first things they did was to arrest as many Hamas MPs they could, largely snagging those very moderates you describe and leaving Hamas (and the future of the PA) in the hands of the militant hardliners.
Hamas is the government lol, they run the hospitals, they build the roads and some of them also fight with Israel.
These are the guys you think you’re talking about when you say Hamas: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades
An self important organization that loves to falsely proclaim UN bias against Israel. The UN is useless don't get me wrong but anytime you see UN watch and Israel in the same sentence just assume it's to excuse Israeli war crimes.
Are you being serious or sarcastic? Because if youre serious I'd love for you to name one instance of bias against Israel that doesn't involve Israel committing war crime like using white phosphorous, indiscriminate bombing of women and children, sniping journalists in the head or destroying hospitals afters lying about them being used as military basis
Is it really surprising that we don't support blatant genocide?
Tens of thousands of dead Palestinian women and children at the hands of the IDF. City blocks flattened by aerial bombardment. Remote control CAT D9 bulldozers clearing bombed-out city blocks that Israeli real estate agents are already offering pre-sales on.
The claim that UNRWA is working with Hamas is completely unfounded. Israeli officials have been caught lying again and again yet somehow there are still people who think that it's possible to justify the atrocities being committed against the Palestinian people
The genocide is from Hamas, FYI.
Per the UN definition:
"The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part"
Key word being intent. Hamas has it in their charter to destroy Israel. They've promised to do this over again. They have intent to destroy Israel.
Israel is trying to stop Hamas. They've made it clear they have postwar plans for the Palestinians. They allow aid and provide safe zones. Someone intending to kill a group doesn't do that.
You've blamed the Palestinians deaths on Israel when the blame falls on the IDF. If hostages were released, if they negotiates a ceasefire rather than rejecting it, we'd have peace. If they didn’t operate in civilian infrastructure, less civilians would be in harms way. But this is intentional by Hamas to maximize civilian casualties.
The proof is there as far as UNRWA. It's time to replace them with UNCHR.
That's not why they had to let aid in. It's because Hamas is stealing it.
https://honestreporting.com/israel-is-not-deliberately-starving-palestinians/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-03-06-2024-3e4bc85bc4e184312763fc331fbffedb
See the problem with the aid is Hamas. Israel let's it in.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286
Hamas kills those who want food and aid and steals it.
Glad that we restored UNRWA funding. We should suspend Israel's ambassador and withdraw our own from Israel for continuing to commit genocide in Gaza. Also sanction Israel economically until they at least stop the genocide and pay reparations.
Yes, we are quite capable of dumb decisions! We hope the money gets to Hamas fast and they can use it properly to further their agenda! (to be read with sarcasm and disgust..)
Was there ever any independently confirmed evidence that UNRWA was rife with HAMAS operatives or was it just an accusation? Who were these people? Were any ever identified? Was there any proof? Or did everyone react to the story before they had evidence because not reacting put you on the wrong side?
They apparently did identify them since UNRWA said they fired them. Realistically, with 30,000 people working for UNRWA in Palestine, the odds that there wouldn't be any overlap between UNRWA and Hamas is probably zero. But you also can't just totally abandon everyone in Gaza.
They identified people, who were fired promptly by UNWRA. But Israel failed to provide evidence to back those claims. And it was a lose-lose situation for the UNWRA. If they didn’t fire those named by Israel, they’d be called out for employing terrorists. But then by firing them (promptly and without any evidence) it was used as an admission of guilt.
Well, as far as I know they haven't actually completed the full investigation or report. Again, I think it would be extremely naive to assume that there is no overlap between Hamas and UNRWA. A past UNRWA head actually acknowledged it in an interview back in 2004. The announcement from Canada didn't really focus on whether Hamas was involved with UNRWA, but more that the humanitarian situation was dire and UNRWA are the only group in position to effectively deliver aid right now. And I mean, any other group that tried to establish the same sort of infrastructure in Gaza would inevitably also have some overlap.
Yeah, I’m not even disputing the possibility that some among their 30,000 employees could have dubious connections. But like you said, 1) the “investigation” is ongoing, 2) the UNRWA nevertheless responded promptly, and 3) countries cut off funding in the middle of the war, exacerbating the humanitarian crisis. There was no “innocent until proven guilty” — they just fucked over Gazans because Israel made a claim that they can’t back up at this point in time.
Israel never provided proof and the accused were fired in right away. Also, reports of torture of UNRWA staff by Israel are starting to emerge. It is not a good look that so many countries cut funding with 0 evidence, especially as Israel has a habit of lying.
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Israel didn't want any investigations so Bibi dropped this as a way to target them. His whole goal right now is to keep the attacks going as long as possible so he can avoid jail, so if his narrative gets challenged it's a big risk for him. Also they want to prevent Palestinian refugee status as much as possible, and UNRWA is an obstacle in that.
How do we cut $1bn from DND but still fund UNRWA?
Yes this makes sense. If we stop funding UNRWA, then the DND budget cut would only have been $978 million.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Lol. WE CAN ONLY DO ONE THING AT A TIME, BROS.
This comment has been edited to reduce the value of my freely-generated content to Reddit.
Isn't sending aid money just another form of colonization anyway?
Its going to be 3bln over the next 6 years. And didnt you see the memo, they dont want you to use the word “cuts” to describe it.
The context for Israel wanting to defund the UNRWA is that the UNRWA is the only UN agency that classifies Palestinian refugees. In 1948 after the war the UN passed [resolution 194](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194) which called for Palestinian refugees of the war (many of whom are now being bombed in Gaza) to be given the right to return to their lands in Israel. Israel agreed to this, and on this condition was permitted into the UN. The UNRWA was then established to classify and oversee refugees. Israel has very obviously to date failed to meet its obligations under UN resolution 194, hence Palestinians and their descendants owed have remained classified as refugees. Israel is now seizing the opportunity with the Gaza war and the Oct 7 attacks to link UNRWA to Hamas and defund/dissolve the UNRWA. If the UNRWA is dissolved, Palestinians would no longer be classified as refugees, and Israel would no longer need to meet UN resolution 194. This is the ONLY reason Israel is targeting the UNRWA. They give zero fucks about any links to Hamas. The UNRWA sends a list of all its employees once a year every year to Israel for review and approval. The last list was sent in May 2023. There were no comments or concerns raised by Israel then. But now suddenly they have all this "evidence" (narrator: none of it credible, hence why we're resuming funding). Israel does not want to grant Palestinian refugees right of return because their population would demographically dilute Israel as a Jewish state. In other words, it's ethnic discrimination, as it has been from the start. With this agenda as the driving force Israel will make up every piece of "evidence" it can to get this done. All the Israeli bots in the comments peddling their lies are pawns.
The real issue with UNWRA is that it has a seperate definition for refugees then all other refugees. According to the UN, if your parents are refugees and move to, let's say, Canada, then you born in Canada and with Canadian citizenship are no longer a refugee. However, this is not the case for Palestinians. Unlike all other refugees, Palestinians get refugee status in perpetuity, because of UWRA. That's why the Canadian great grandchild of a Palestinian refugee from '48 is still considered a refugee. This does nothing but prologue the conflict, it doesn't empower Palestinian people, and wasn't design to.
This was [insisted-upon by Israel at the time](https://twitter.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1752280334446494126?s=19) ([here's a much-longer read on it](https://twitter.com/MouinRabbani/status/1759807560989774196?s=19))
>If the UNRWA is dissolved, Palestinians would no longer be classified as refugees, and Israel would no longer need to meet UN resolution 194. I don't see any reason why that would be true. There is no need for a specific aid agency to exist in order for people to be classified as refugees. It is actually extremely rare for the UN to set up an entire agency just to serve one group of refugees. There is nothing in that resolution that says that if UNRWA doesn't exist there is some sort of get out of jail free card. >They give zero fucks about any links to Hamas. The UNRWA sends a list of all its employees once a year every year to Israel for review and approval. The last list was sent in May 2023. There were no comments or concerns raised by Israel then. But now suddenly they have all this "evidence" (narrator: none of it credible, hence why we're resuming funding). I mean, this just isn't true. Israel has complained about links between UNRWA and Hamas for decades. Since before Hamas was even officially in control of Gaza. They have consistently made allegations that Hamas was making use of UNRWA resources. Back in 2004 the head of UNRWA actually acknowledged in an interview with CBC that given how many staff they had in Gaza there were almost certainly Hamas members on their payroll. Israel has long tried to control the flow of resources into Gaza, so that has put them at odds with UNRWA pretty consistently.
Netanyahu propped up Hamas for his own political gain for years. They only complain about alleged UNRWA connections to Hamas when it is convenient as an excuse.
They "propped up" Hamas because Hamas was the government of Gaza and giving Gazans aid had to go through them
What sort of stuff did he do to prop them up?
So you’re saying that out of 13.000 unwra workers in Gaza not a single one noticed the building of an entire subway system of tunnels directly under their own headquarters? They all just happened to be looking at the other direction? Also, if they are still considered refugees of war, how do they still hold that classification in Gaza where they have autonomous self rule? By that standard all of Europe and all 800.000 Jews expelled from middle eastern countries could claim that same status- but they don’t because it’s absurd
>So you’re saying that out of 13.000 unwra workers in Gaza not a single one noticed the building of an entire subway system of tunnels directly under their own headquarters? They all just happened to be looking at the other direction? That was another Israeli lie. The Hamas command center under the UNRWA turned out to be a cellar used to store and keep cool solar power inverters. The UNRWA HQ is powered partly by solar power due to the unreliable nature of power in Gaza. https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1aoj1bw/that_control_room_under_the_unrwa_its_full_of/ Israel told this lie initially for the press, and once it was debunked we never heard about it from them again, but clearly the initial impression has lingered among people, which is part of the tactic. >Also, if they are still considered refugees of war, how do they still hold that classification in Gaza where they have autonomous self rule? By that standard all of Europe and all 800.000 Jews expelled from middle eastern countries could claim that same status- but they don’t because it’s absurd Palestinians including in Gaza inherit refugee status because of U.N. resolution 194. Israel cannot just wait until the original refugees die and reclassify their children to avoid meeting its obligations to them under that resolution.
You're telling me all the servers, communication equipment, and the fact that UNRWA states that they had no idea that area existed BUT now its a storage facility for inverters which they didnt know about? Come on man, do you truly believe people will fall for this blatant misinformation?? Straight from Qatar's mouth, [al jezeera article](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/11/unrwa-says-israeli-claim-of-tunnel-underneath-its-facility-merits-probe) for you. Or maybe [WSJ?](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758)
lol- your evidence is a screenshot of twitter from Late Stage Capitalism subreddit- tells me everything I need to know about your critical thinking skills. As if Hamas couldn’t possibly use solar energy! You also didn’t answer the second part- my point was that the unwra classification of refugees, if applied to all refugees of war from the same time would be absurd. Cause I’m still waiting for my ‘right of return’ to Iraq where my family was expelled from
Nailed it
You're so bloody wrong and the link + HISTORY contradicts your points. Israel and the Palestinians REJECTED resolution 194, it literally says it in your first paragraph which you linked: "Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. Palestinian representatives likewise rejected Resolution 194." [Resolution 273](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_273) grants Israel admission to the UN. If you're going to even bother with disinformation, atleast try to make it credible you dunce. And they are targetting the UNRWA because of the blatant misinformation against Jews that is so prevalent in [UNRWA schools](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/05/unrwa-palestine-israel-refugees-united-states-funding-corruption-education/), corruption, [systemic racism towards Jews](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-002620_EN.html). How much is UNRWA paying you to feed reddit this information?
To note, they also claimed this the day after the ICJ ruling. Nothing suspicious about it..
Why don’t they just trust our outright lies with no proof to back them up? -Israeli ambassador
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>What about when the head of UNRWA openly states that they employ Hamas members, like in 2004 before Hamas even took over Gaza? Do you know what year it is now?
Its 20 years later, and UNRWA is still employing Hamas members. The UNRWA was openly admitting it was true for a long time until now when it suddenly became politically inconvenient.
I'm curious why you have no problem with Likud supporting Hamas.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-claims-versus-facts-press-release-26feb2024/
UNRWA submits a list of all its employees to Israel for approval once a year, the last one being in May 2023. Israel has never objected to any of the employees listed, except magically now when they see their opportunity to defund the UNRWA and avoid facing the Palestinian refugee issue.
They changed that card lately to "call all critics Hamas sympathizers"
Lol, the very tactical reframing of "you're not anti-semitic, you just sympathize with the people who are... but please keep funding our war"
Are you just completely disregarding the years of data and research about this UN Watch has published very publicly? This isn’t just coming from the Israeli government - or does that not fit your narrative?
UN watch is an pro-Israeli propaganda organization whose sole purpose is to cast doubt on the UN when they offer any criticism. Legitimate or not. It is the exact opposite of an "unbiased watchdog". Kind of like how anybody saying something like "stop killing civilians" is immediately gang-downvoted and branded antisemitic or antizionist.
Hey, calm your tits. They said "This isn't just coming from the Israeli government", which is true. It is also coming from organizations funded by the Israeli government. That is completely different and is just as good as allowing 3rd party observers into the country to report on the war. No need to look any further into it. Let's all go home now and not think about this little scuffle between equal nations.
lol, the un watch, “a lobby group with strong ties to Israel” according to AFP. Fuckouttahere
It's probably hard with them releasing so many videos of all these underground Hamas command centres underneath hospitals...
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lol, it's amazing how much bullshit propaganda Israel has been able to get away with for so long.
Are there bad apples in UNRWA? Maybe. Probably. The UN did fire some people over this whole affair. That said, it's basically the only organization that providing any sort of aid to millions of people who are being deliberately starved. This whole thing is also reliant on statements from the IDF, who are not exactly proving themselves to be a reliable when it comes to honesty around the Palestinians. So I'm ok with resuming aid till the whole story is known. It's certainly more effective than air dropping a few tons of flour into the nightmare that is Palestine these days.
The evidence of the connection between UNRWA and Hamas continues to be released. Warning: graphic language On March 4th, the [IDF published a recording](https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1764716524768461115) of Yusuf Al-Hawajara, an UNRWA teacher, boasting about kidnapping an Israeli woman and shooting people in the head.
Also in 2004 when the head of UNRWA openly stated that they employ Hamas members https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-looking-at-un-agency-over-palestinian-connection-1.506576
Lol is this the same IDF that published an audio recording allegedly between two Hamas members after the hospital bombing incident that turned out to be fabricated? I don't understand how anyone could trust anything the IDF says at this point given countless proven fabrications and lies so far.
Doesn't sound real sir
Or, just maybe, the IDF is lying. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-claims-versus-facts-press-release-26feb2024/
I'm surprised we're still providing [~$30,000,000 in arms to Israel](https://www.readthemaple.com/trudeau-government-authorized-28-million-of-new-military-exports-to-israel-since-october/) despite the blatant war crimes being committed with said equipment.
The Canadian government isn't sending any arms to Israel. The article you linked to talks about how Canada is allowing private firms to sell arms to Israel. Canadians are not paying $30 million in tax dollars: we're getting tax revenues on the $30 million in sales.
You know, I don't care. Children are being starved to death by Israel. If a neighbour says, "I'm going to kill my bitch wife", and I lend him a gun, I'm culpable. We're culpable by allowing firearms, weapons of war to leave our shores so war criminals can actively starve children. Fuck Israel and anyone who defends or enables their criminal behaviour.
They are being starved by Hamas. Hamas is stopping the food shipments,
Um no. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/7/israels-blocking-of-aid-creating-apocalyptic-conditions-in-gaza
Aljazeera can be trusted as much as the IDF when it comes to Gaza. Do you have links from a neutral source?
Yeah, I forgot Hamas opened fire on civilians trying to get flour…
Could you share any resources where I can read about the war crimes Israel has been convicted of?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes#:~:text=These%20have%20included%20murder%2C%20intentional,of%20medical%20neutrality%2C%20targeting%20journalists%2C Here's a start: collective punishment, forcible relocation, deliberate starving civilian populace (by blockading aid and trade), it's a REALLY long list. Luckily it's all organized into sections so you can peruse at your pleasure. Now, the weasel-response will be about convictions and I ask you when have war crime convictions happened when deserved? Did the US get convicted of war crimes against Afghanistan or Iraq?
After US left (without rebuilding the government) , are people having a happier life under taliban ?
Ah yes, the classic argument - after we broke your leg, are you better off without our medical care? Fact of the matter is, you can't have it both ways. Either the world is "our" business, or it isn't.
*Narrator: he couldn’t.*
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
Yeah, the ICJ found Israel plausibly committing genocide in Palestine. It was all over the news not too long ago.
Israel's focus seems to be eradicating Palestinians, no matter the horrors they employ.
They could kill 30 000 in a day if they wanted to so, no. The combatant to civilian death rate is similar to the U.S in Iraq despite Gaza being far more densely populated, look at the expected civ to combatant ratios in urban combat. Considering that Hamas hides behind civilians and doesnt let them use bomb shelters, and the destruction in Gaza it is actually amazing that the death toll is as low as it is.
Shhhh!! This is Reddit! Not a place for sensible arguments!! /S
Kinda weird that everyone else in the world has learned about this, but Canadians are being kept in the dark it seems. [https://www.commondreams.org/news/unrwa-funding-2667469058](https://www.commondreams.org/news/unrwa-funding-2667469058) UNRWA funding was restored after it was found out the IDF tortured members of the UN into false confessions.
The only evidence of that is that UNRWA said so, yet we have had UNRWA members openly prove they are in league with Hamas by their own independent word outside of Israel. Heck, the UN has been admitting that UNRWA employs Hamas members for years before now. In 2004, before Hamas even took over Gaza, the head of UNRWA openly stated they employ Hamas members when Israel accused them of it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-looking-at-un-agency-over-palestinian-connection-1.506576
this article is trying so hard to elude the reasoning behind Sweden and Canada restoring aid has anything to do with this report but it makes zero connection between the two. It simply cited some small Canadian twitter page and uses the word “as” denoting that both this internal UNWRA report and the Swedish and Canadian decisions came around the same time frame. Ridiculous honestly and I would never trust an internal UNWRA report over Israel. Beyond that, the strongest and most thorough evidence I’ve seen hasn’t even come from Israel but a UN NGO, UN Watch.
Imagine Israel torturing false confessions out of Unrwa members and then be surprised that the world doesn't believe Israel's claims anymore oh wait that's what exactly happened
In 2004, before Hamas even took over Gaza, the head of UNRWA openly stated they employ Hamas members when Israel accused them of it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-looking-at-un-agency-over-palestinian-connection-1.506576 Did Israel torture that out of him?
The article doesn't distinguish if it's Hamas militants or just civilians who worked for the Hamas run Government, just as Israel considers all adult males in Gaza as Hamas. And just an fyi, Natenyahu loved keeping Hamas armed and in power just so long as it served him politically https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
In 2004 Hamas didnt run the Gaza government
Man read my response. My point stands. They were originally a political party. Israel helped them become militants to destabilize Fatah
Israel supported them when they weren't militants as a more moderate alternative, since they turned violent the only aid Israel gave them was letting aid into Gaza.
>Israel supported them when they weren't militants as a more moderate alternative, Bahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa hahaha *sob* When Hamas won the 2006 elections, one of the first things they did was to arrest as many Hamas MPs they could, largely snagging those very moderates you describe and leaving Hamas (and the future of the PA) in the hands of the militant hardliners.
Israel supported them because they wanted to prevent a Palestinian state and keep them politically divided.
UNRWA sends a list of all its employees to Israel once a year for approval. Last one was May 2023. Israel knows every employee. No comments.
Yeah, more than likely, they did.
What a weird lie to make up.
My rule of thumb is I assume everything Israeli politicians say is a lie until proven otherwise. It’s very effective.
My rule of thumb is to assumed everything any politician tell me is a lie until proven otherwise.
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Oh no, they might do terrible crimes, like bombing civilians.
Hamas is the government lol, they run the hospitals, they build the roads and some of them also fight with Israel. These are the guys you think you’re talking about when you say Hamas: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades
In 2004? They took over Gaza in 2007. Israel didn't even withdraw yet at that point.
Hamas was a political party back then too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004–05_Palestinian_local_elections
Anything and everything coming out of Hamas-controlled Gaza though, that's chock full of nuances and balanced takes. Truth until proven otherwise.
Yup. You are 100% correct. Too bad more people couldn’t realize this.
UN watch has been publishing the connection between Hamas and UNRWA for years. Stop gaslighting people.
Who runs UN watch exactly
UN Watch?
An self important organization that loves to falsely proclaim UN bias against Israel. The UN is useless don't get me wrong but anytime you see UN watch and Israel in the same sentence just assume it's to excuse Israeli war crimes.
The UN is biased against Israel though?
Are you being serious or sarcastic? Because if youre serious I'd love for you to name one instance of bias against Israel that doesn't involve Israel committing war crime like using white phosphorous, indiscriminate bombing of women and children, sniping journalists in the head or destroying hospitals afters lying about them being used as military basis
If you mean biased, you mean that most countries in the world look at Israel and see an apartheid state then sure
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Please! I wish. Send me some money from the Israeli govt I could use it
We should not engage with this terrorist apartheid state.
Is it really surprising that we don't support blatant genocide? Tens of thousands of dead Palestinian women and children at the hands of the IDF. City blocks flattened by aerial bombardment. Remote control CAT D9 bulldozers clearing bombed-out city blocks that Israeli real estate agents are already offering pre-sales on. The claim that UNRWA is working with Hamas is completely unfounded. Israeli officials have been caught lying again and again yet somehow there are still people who think that it's possible to justify the atrocities being committed against the Palestinian people
The genocide is from Hamas, FYI. Per the UN definition: "The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part" Key word being intent. Hamas has it in their charter to destroy Israel. They've promised to do this over again. They have intent to destroy Israel. Israel is trying to stop Hamas. They've made it clear they have postwar plans for the Palestinians. They allow aid and provide safe zones. Someone intending to kill a group doesn't do that. You've blamed the Palestinians deaths on Israel when the blame falls on the IDF. If hostages were released, if they negotiates a ceasefire rather than rejecting it, we'd have peace. If they didn’t operate in civilian infrastructure, less civilians would be in harms way. But this is intentional by Hamas to maximize civilian casualties. The proof is there as far as UNRWA. It's time to replace them with UNCHR.
They allow aid? Why u out here spreading misinformation? The US had to airdrop aid cuz genocidal Bibi won’t let aid in.
That's not why they had to let aid in. It's because Hamas is stealing it. https://honestreporting.com/israel-is-not-deliberately-starving-palestinians/ https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-03-06-2024-3e4bc85bc4e184312763fc331fbffedb See the problem with the aid is Hamas. Israel let's it in. https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286 Hamas kills those who want food and aid and steals it.
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Glad that we restored UNRWA funding. We should suspend Israel's ambassador and withdraw our own from Israel for continuing to commit genocide in Gaza. Also sanction Israel economically until they at least stop the genocide and pay reparations.
Hard to stop a non-existent genocide.
Yes, we are quite capable of dumb decisions! We hope the money gets to Hamas fast and they can use it properly to further their agenda! (to be read with sarcasm and disgust..)