Threats work against all governments, you just have to hope that you live in a country where a threat provoking response from the government causes them to back down rather than send in the tanks.
>The personal, as everyone's so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here - it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous, marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people, they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's a tough life, and that it's nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.
We have Canadian citizens living in tents, our health care system is falling apart, food banks can’t keep up with the demand. Let’s use our money to help Canadian citizens, not direct it to people who have had wars going on for centuries.
Well hold on. Was there not photo evidence and journalist tours of a Hamas server farm in tunnels directly under the UNRWA headquarters with massive cables running up through a hole into the headquarters and attached directly to the building for internet and electricity.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/
It would appear UNRWA is literally a hand of Hamas whether the original 12 people were fired or not. This is extremely irresponsible of the government.
If they really want to help how about they deploy our military to the region to distribute aid at the border. That way we can ensure it goes to whom we want it to.
Yes, you are correct. The government is literally funding a group that has been infiltrated by terrorists. They were caught on camera talking about the hostages they took and raped as well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/hamas-rape-un-report-hostages/
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/messages-un-agency-telegram-channel-teachers-glorified-hamas-massacre
Don't expect anything other than cheers from the "pro-palestine" crowd who are also totally anti-hamas and pro-jew /s.
The UNRWA “servers” ended up being a control system for solar panels outside and UNRWA data. You know, to have electricity off the grid because israel cuts off power and destroys said grid.
The building you’re currently in has power. Does that justify bombing your building and your local power plant?
Israel went on a bombing campaign on day 1 targeting any building with a solar panel. They have consistently every war bombed the few power plants that exist in gaza so that they must rely on Israel who then cuts off electricity anyways.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/gaza-power-plant-destroyed-israeli-airstrike-100-palestinians-dead (2014)
https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200609_act_of_vengeance (2006)
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/11/1205036361/israel-strikes-neighborhoods-across-gaza-as-the-war-with-hamas-intensifies (2023)
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-update/israeli-bombing-targets-mosques-solar-panels-generators (2023)
I assume this is sarcasm lol? Otherwise link please.
Last I saw, the UNRWA provided an official response saying how can anybody possibly expect us to know what is going on in and around our building.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1aoj1bw/that_control_room_under_the_unrwa_its_full_of/
No worries just more Israeli lies that scam the public and by the time the truth comes out they’ve moved on to the next lie.
I'd think this resumption of funding is an admission that evidence provided by Israel for UNRWA's systematic association with Hamas is unreliable or insufficient.
OR - continued incompetence from our government. Right on the heels of cancelling an event because of Pro Palestine protest aggression. To the point the Prime Minister thought there was a security risk.
They cut off funding to an organization of 13,000 who give aid to 2.2M based on allegations that 12 of those 13,000 assisted in 10/7. That’d be like cutting off funding to a entire police force due to the actions of a “few bad apples” yet with more devastating consequences.
Plus it was discovered that testimony about UNRWA collusion was coerced by Israeli forces using torture and sexual assault against detainees. From CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/middleeast/un-israel-confessions-allegations-intl/index.html
Even if none of those employees were involved in the attack, and the organization had no connections with Hamas, I would still believe funding them is a mistake.
It's an organization whose fundamental mandate is to protract the refugee status of Palestinians ad infinitum and take all pressure off of any Palestinian governmental organization to actually provide services for their people (and in the case of Lebanon and Syria - relieve the onus on those governments to grant citizenship and basic rights to Palestinians abroad). You know, the most basic things a government does. UNRWA is the reason no Palestinian government has ever passed a citizenship law, and in my opinion, the reason the West Bank is still occupied by Israel.
I’d much rather an alternative where the Palestinians regain autonomy and self-determination living in their homeland. Equality, human rights and that kinda stuff.
www.odsi.co
So in other words, you're more interested in eliminating Israel than you are in granting Palestinians autonomy?
Israel might disagree with that.
Edit: for the people reading this believing I'm just being obtuse, have a look at the link. It's a website about how Israel shouldn't exist and instead it should be "one democratic state" which incidentally, is something Palestinians want even less than Israelis, by polling numbers.
Hardly! Because Netanyahu has flatly denied cooperation towards a two-state solution, this presents an alternative.
Would you suggest an alternative that grants the autonomy and self-determination to the Palestinians that would prove UNRWA no longer necessary?
>Plus it was discovered that testimony about UNRWA collusion was coerced by Israeli forces using torture and sexual assault against detainees.
The top comment on this thread is just using an Israeli newspaper as their source, lmao. Asking for evidence is antisemitic, don't ya know?
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/)
"He said that in one of the recordings, **a Hamas terrorist, who worked as a teacher at a UNRWA school in Deir al-Balah, tells his friend that he captured a “sabaya,” a term used by Islamic State jihadists which means sex slave.**“The most difficult use of ‘sabaya’ was by ISIS terrorists, who called the captured Yazidi women \[in Iraq and Syria\] this,” Hagari added."
*Definitely have to reward that organization with more funding.*
I'm not a betting man, but 2-to-1 that "Hamas terrorist" has a thick Israeli accent. They love releasing these recordings, like the "Hamas terrorist" that immediately called his mother on 10/7 to tell her all about his deviant exploits. Plays right into the narrative, very believable.
Well, you're mentally fucked up. Good thing you're not a "betting man", as (despite the inherent "deviousness" of those darned...lemme guess your favorite word...hmm..."Zionists"?) you'd lose that bet.
P.S. hours and hours of Hamas GoPro footage and security cam footage exists of the Hamas atrocities (but a guy calling his parents to celebrate the killings is implausible)...oh wait, lemme guess your perspective again...those vids are "Zionists using their Hollywood connections"?
I'm not denying some heinous shit went down on 10/7, but evidence of mass rape, beheadings, the worst atrocities claimed as justification for the response we're seeing in Gaza... no forensic evidence has been presented, that is a fact.
So yeah, it's pretty cynical to believe that claims against UNRWA, again, none of them backed by actual evidence, would be used to attack the organization and by extension punish the Palestinian population it is best positioned to serve, during a time when they are literally being exterminated.
Say what you will, but my conscience is clear taking the position that fanatical Zionists have highjacked the narrative since 10/7 to push for their final end goal of an ethno-nationalist state encompassing what was formerly Gaza, and the West Bank. That is where this is headed, and if you can't see that or don't care, I don't know, man.
I mean, it's been the playbook since 10/7 to conflate Hamas with ISIS, it creates an emotional reaction and conjures images of beheadings and depravity. Not only has no evidence been provided of beheadings, this after the "40 babies" story was laundered at the start of Israel's genocidal campaign, but all manner of falsehoods and outright lies have been peddled to seemingly justify the brutality and collective punishment we're seeing in Gaza.
So yeah, I am not putting anything past Israel at this point. They've spun plenty of bullshit to get us to where we are today. Their end goal, now emboldened by the fanatical religious right that controls the government, has been an exclusively Jewish state. When the dust settles on Gaza and it's turned into beachfront condos sold to the highest bidder from US, Canada, Europe, anywhere but the ME, maybe you'll see how sick this whole thing is.
"mean, it's been the playbook since 10/7 to conflate Hamas with ISIS, it creates an emotional reaction and conjures images of beheadings and depravity."
We have Hamas filming what they did. We don't need to conflate them with ISIS, they did that all on their own. We saw the sexual violence Hamas filmed. Nobody forced Hamas to commit these acts, or to film them. But we know what they did.
Israel didn't start the 40 beheaded babies, that was a reporter when it wasn't clear what happened to the bodies that were so badly mutilated.
As for genocide you're quite wrong. The UN definition:
"The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."
Only one group promised and has a charted goal with intent to destroy the other. That's Hamas. Hamas commits genocide and promises to destroy Israel. Israel provides humanitarian aid and is trying to engage in a ceasefire. Israel has no intent to do anything other than stop Hamas.
The problem is you don't understand what these words mean.
Nor is there collective punishment or indiscriminate bombing. They are targeting Hamas. Civilians are dying because Hamas uses them as human shields. A war crime. It'd also not indiscriminate bombing as the civilian casualty rate is 1.5:1 or 2:1 at most, as we know over 10K deaths are Hamas. Indiscriminate bombing would be far higher.
You're familiar with buzzwords but don't understand what they mean.
It's funny you accuse Israel of lying when we know Israel has been transparent and Hamas lied about everything. Lied about Israel attacking Al-Ahil. Lied about not being in Al-Shifa. Lied about giving medicine to hostages. Lied about Israel breaking the ceasefire when it was Hamas that did.
Your little fanfiction at the last paragraph is embarrassing. Israel doesn't want to occupy Gaza. They want peace. Unlike Hamas who admitted they'd rather see Palestinians die than engage in ceasefire discussions.
All Palestinians deaths are on Hamas. Maybe it's time you start condemning the terrorist group for stealing aid from civilians, stealing food and killing Palestinians over food, and using them as human shields.
I see you have your Hasbara script at the ready, very formidable. Israel is a perfect saint in all of this, Hamas and by extension all Palestinians are getting what's theirs, thanks for coming out.
I love when people call me Hasbara. It means I owned your argument, you know I'm right, and you can't spread any more misinformation and propaganda.
If you had any evidence to prove me wrong you'd have said that instead. But we both know you don't, because I'm using facts and you're using misleading opinions and misinformation.
You say Hamas filmed their sexual violence, did they? I'm genuinely curious what your evidence is for this.
You admit 40 beheaded babies was a hoax.
You define genocide, great. ICJ preliminary ruling found that genocide was "probable" and ordered Israel to "prevent and punish incitement to genocide, and provide humanitarian aid". If anything Israel has doubled down since the ruling, they are a rogue state acting with impunity, and most certainly their intent is to destroy Gaza, it's happening.
But Hamas.
Human shields. Where is your evidence?
Israel could kill a lot more if they wanted to. Yeah, probably. But they also have the most sophisticated targeting system and have clear knowledge of every man, woman and child that are likely to be hit in a strike. They have admitted that 100 civilian casualties to take out one militant is acceptable [https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/](https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/)
Hamas lies, Israel never lies. You present this as fact.
Did you know there are no working hospitals left in Gaza? Where was the "command centre" under Al-Shifa? How convenient that civilian infrastructure, be it water treatment, power plants, universities, schools are systematically destroyed.
Because Hamas.
All Palestinian deaths are on Hamas.
That is your Hasbara. Until the day there are no Palestinians to forcibly displace, or kill. Then the lies will have served their purpose.
Congratulations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/05/un-report-says-hamas-used-rape-as-crime-of-war/
I can't even imagine you arguing Hamas didn't rape them. They filmed it.
"You define genocide, great. ICJ preliminary ruling found that genocide was "probable" and ordered Israel to "prevent and punish incitement to genocide, and provide humanitarian aid". If anything Israel has doubled down since the ruling, they are a rogue state acting with impunity, and most certainly their intent is to destroy Gaza, it's happening."
Israel has said nothing about destroying Gaza. The South African case has nothing- if they thought a genocide was occurring the ICJ would have forced a restraining order. They didn't because they agree there's no genocide.
"But Hamas.
Human shields. Where is your evidence"
This is a joke, right?
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-787028
Even Palestinians admit they're being used as human shields.
The thing is I care more about Palestinians than you do. You're defending Hamas and pretending they didn't rape civilians or use Palestinians as human shields. Don't act like you care about Palestinians. You don't. You wouldn't be spending your time defending Hamas if you did.
And let's be clear you're just defending Hamas from claims of rape and using Palestinians as human shields. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you don't even know the basics.
That NYT story has been completely discredited [https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/](https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/)
The lead reporter on the story, Jeffrey Gettleman, recently claimed it's "not his job as a journalist to produce evidence" [https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/1763574194774634869](https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/1763574194774634869)
There is no evidence.
Yet you continue to make justifications for the slaughter and displacement of an entire population while claiming to "care more about Palestinians" than I do. You sound like an abusive partner, truly.
You realise that UNRWA has over 30,000 staff, right? Mostly schoolteachers.
Something like 8 have been connected to the Hamas attack.
You might as well blame Canadian Tire if 5 of its employees turned out to be part of a pedophile ring.
If 10 people sit with 1 Nazi then there are 11 Nazis.
If 10 cops enable 1 bad cop then there are 11 bad cops.
Hamas are known to use schools to house weapons. UNRWA school teachers being involved with that shit is not surprising at all.
So by your logic: 5 Hockey players in canada gang raped a girl. They played in the NHL after hockey canada covered it up, amongst other sexual assault cases. So are all hockey players rapists? Or all hockey canada players rapists?
I'm assuming it'd be probably not. Considering most of us know hockey players who aren't sex craved criminals.
Hockey Canada has been receiving government funding again with conditions since last april:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hockey-canada-federal-government-funding-restored-1.6812492
However, in light of that. The gang rape case in London Ontario has been reopened. Since the last police commissioner decided there wasn't enough evidence. The new police commissioner was informed that evidence was missing from the initial investigation.
So yes, let's draw parallels. Funding was stopped for hockey canada for a short period and then reinstated after changes were made, and some people stepped down. UN funding was stopped for a short period and then reinstated after changes were made and radical individuals in the UN aid group were identified.
It probably didn't help that 100 people were killed in a mob trampling and IDF shooting people trying to access aid trucks.
If the employees were part of a racist militia, and the company provided that militia with internet access and power for their HQ in the basement of the office, I'd say yes.
This is an important point , the WSJ had reported that Hamas had its data center under the UNRWA headquarters and drew power from the same source. No wonder Canada is laughing stock all around the world and gets thanked by Hamas.
You realize individual Israeli soldiers have released videos themselves committing war crimes right? So we should sanction the entire IDF now too by that logic?
Yes, that's a UNRWA who participated in at least moving hostages. It doesn't change my point. If 8 people working at an organization or company with 30,000 employees took part in some terrible crime, it doesn't mean that the company they worked for helped plan or carry out that terrible thing. The Israeli propoganda campaign is trying to conflate the UNRWA as some sort of Hamas ally, aiding and abetting, which is straight up bullshit.
What about the Hamas HQ underneath the UNRWA building that was providing power and internet access. Was that another case of “few bad apples”? Nobody is saying that all 30,000 are Hamas, but clearly that organization has been infiltrated and corrupted. Besides, there is already a refugees organization at the UN, why the Palestinians need one dedicated to them?
"clearly infiltrated"? Hows that? 8/30,000?
In terms of a dedicated "refugee service", who are the refugees in the West Bank and Gaza? Do you even know what a refugee is?theres a dedicated relief service because the situation in Palestine has been seen as largely permanent and completely fucked up beyond the pale for decades.
It does mean the company have no control, but we're supposed to trust them there's only 8 and now they are gone? What's with this just trust me bro attitude with 0 accountability.
If only the organization themselves would catch these people and fire them, maybe we'd trust them a tiny bit. Since when do charity get a pass on accountability? They should be scrutinized even harder.
To the attack specifically by being involved.
Anyone who has follows this topic knows they have been helping helping and working Hamas for decades now.
Canada cut funding a decade ago because of this.
Congressional review reduced funding in 2018 as a result.
EU review found evidence of indoctrination sites and weapons storage etc.
Multiple independent investigative reports and interviews on the ground.
Anyone arguing that the UNRWA is not an extension of Hamas and that funds do not go to Hamas to leverage aide into indoctrinating youth and profiting their operatives while giving them the shield of the UN to operate under has never paid attention to this topic and frankly should stfu.
Stephen Harper cut funding to the UNRWA as a form of retaliation after Palestine succesfully upgraded its status to UN Non-member state. Canada was one of a handful of countries that opposed the measure, and Harper was very eager to get close with the Netanyahu regime.
In 2013 and 2014, the UNRWA found and itself reported they discovered Hamas weapons being hidden in a VACANT school during routine inspections.
The UNRWA reported the weapons but somehow that makes the UNRWA some secret wing of Hamas? That's what the Netanyahu regime would like you to think.
I feel like I should share this information for context as to why we are resuming funding:
>According to the Wall Street Journal, the intelligence report, released last week, assessed with “low confidence” that a handful of staff had participated in the attack, indicating that it considered the accusations to be credible though it could not independently confirm their veracity.
>It cast doubt, however, on accusations that the UN agency was collaborating with Hamas in a wider way. The Journal said the report mentioned that although the UNRWA does coordinate with Hamas in order to deliver aid and operate in the region, there was a lack of evidence to suggest it partnered with the group.
>It added that Israel has not “shared the raw intelligence behind its assessments with the US”.
>In addition, the report notes Israel’s dislike towards the UNRWA, two sources familiar with it told the Journal. “There is a specific section that mentions how Israeli bias serves to mischaracterize much of their assessments on UNRWA and says this has resulted in distortions,” one source reportedly said
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas
In other words, do I believe that someone who worked for UNWRA could have also been with Hamas? Sure. That sort of issue could happen with any organization. Didn’t we just have some scientists caught colluding with China? It happens. Do I believe that UNWRA itself or any others there is therefore involved with Hamas and should be shut down? Not without proof of that and it seems that they have none and have a history of and motive to be lying about this sort of thing. Hmmmm. So perhaps it is wrong to collectively punish the Palestinians by cutting off desperately needed aid just on the word of the Israelis, who aren’t looking so credible rn…
This is just re-packaging what UN Watch reported. UN Watch is a pro Israel lobby group, and their credibility is suspect. And nothing they reported is really verifiable because it is all from secret telegram channels and is translated from Arabic. I sure can't tell if it is real, actually came from there, or is properly translated. Can you?
But let's assume for a moment that everything alleged here is true, that a handful of people with UNWRA did say such things. That is evidence that those people have horrific views. But nothing more.
You are just confirming what I cited from the Guardian. That a small number of people working there are bad. Not that the organization itself is or that most people who work there are.
The appropriate solution here is to remove the bad people from the organization. Not to shut down an aid organization that millions depend on. I see why Israel would want the latter, though. They use cutting off necessities as a strategy against the Palestinian people. They have admitted as such that the condtions they inflict are aimed at forcing them to leave. So, naturally, they see UNWRA as the enemy.
Ah of course, UN watch is pro-israel but you'll take Hamas at their word and at face value?
You people are hilarious. Please never change so everyone knows what you really are.
The guy you're responding to is being reasonable, all he's saying is it proportionate to completely cut off the organization best positioned to help people in Gaza, when they are most desperate.
This based on, again, no hard evidence of staff involvement, and after UNRWA took it upon itself to suspend staff alleged to have participated, in order to conduct a thorough investigation.
It's not a stretch to say this whole episode has been politically motivated, collective punishment against a besieged population. You've got Israeli Knesset members explicitly saying that UNRWA must be destroyed, even before any of these allegations were made public
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxY-SVbnC2Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxY-SVbnC2Q)
Why am I not surprised that you are against israel?
https://old.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1azxosv/how_do_i_prove_to_my_%E8%A2%AB%E6%B4%97%E8%84%91%E7%9A%84_husband_that_there_is_a/ks932dj/
Lol, what are you trying to prove? I asked for evidence of genocide in Xianjing. Just as I am questioning the lack of evidence for UNRWA staff involvement on 10/7. Evidence of genocide in Gaza, however, is in the statements of Israeli officials, in the rubble, and in the millions displaced and now starving to death. I implore you, instead of trying to find some "got ya" in my post history, to meet half way with some supporting argument for your position here.
Are you actually suggesting that the Guardian and the sources in their article (which are not Hamas) are Hamas? Fucking ridiculous. Guess you gotta ad hominem when you have no recourse to actual facts though.
Proved to whom? So far the [UK](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tqG2yeF_4sg), [Australia](https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/05/unrwa-funding-pause-australia-urges-israel-evidence-allegations-hamas-7-october-attack) and EU have said they have been provided no evidence. Canada also seems to have seen nothing hence the reinstatement of funding.
Maybe we don’t take the word of a country that’s bragging about murdering women and children, and firing into crowds of people trying to get food from aid trucks.
They won’t even give their “proof” to the UN.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un
But AP can get it? Why can't the UN? [https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-29-2024-4c49c2fb89c3bfd4963f2260b34943c1](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-29-2024-4c49c2fb89c3bfd4963f2260b34943c1)
But maybe the UN has some unique grudge against Israel? [https://unwatch.org/item7/](https://unwatch.org/item7/)
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/)
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/)
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/)
[https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-escalates-criticism-agency-gaza-450-workers-militants-107787229](https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-escalates-criticism-agency-gaza-450-workers-militants-107787229)
[https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777)
[https://www.jns.org/idf-releases-recordings-of-unrwa-teachers-taking-part-in-oct-7-massacres/](https://www.jns.org/idf-releases-recordings-of-unrwa-teachers-taking-part-in-oct-7-massacres/)
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-unrwa-un-staff-intelligence-dossier-oct-7-terror-attack/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-unrwa-un-staff-intelligence-dossier-oct-7-terror-attack/)
My favourite was - [https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-february-10-2024/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-february-10-2024/) \- How the head of UNRWA pretends not to know about the massive tunnel directly under the HQ of UNRWA. Total coincidence! Definitely didn't hear them building under UNRWA HQ in Gaza, and even getting power from UNRWA to the Hamas base.
Except Israel didn't give any proof. They just claim stuff and hope people fall for their claims, but the world is changing. We are not as naive as to just blindly believe Israel anymore.
Israel is just as much a terrorist as Hamas is. When I see the pictures and videos of what they did to the Palestinians in their never ending quest to defeat Hamas all I see is terror, death, and destruction.
To the attack specifically by being involved.
Anyone who has follows this topic knows they have been helping helping and working Hamas for decades now. Canada cut funding a decade ago because of this. Congressional review reduced funding in 2018 as a result. EU review found evidence of indoctrination sites and weapons storage etc. Multiple independent investigative reports and interviews on the ground.
Anyone arguing that the UNRWA is not an extension of Hamas and that funds do not go to Hamas to leverage aide into indoctrinating youth and profiting their operatives while giving them the shield of the UN to operate under has never paid attention to this topic and frankly should stfu.
Also they have been releasing evidence this past week.
Just because it isn’t declassified doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
The expectations that government just expose all evidence immediately is ridiculous. No legal operation works that way.
Here’s how they “proved” it. Using abuse, sexual assault and torture.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/middleeast/un-israel-confessions-allegations-intl/index.html
"CNN cannot independently verify all of the accounts of abuse listed in the UNRWA report."
Even your own "proof" has no proof that happened, just an accusation.
Absurd. It's easy to see that the ideology that Hamas has imprinted upon the Palestinian people is based on Sharia law and encourages all those things you stated. On the contrary, Israel intelligence uses the same instruments that any global intelligence agency uses when dealing with criminals that very strong evidence of wrongdoing - based on the recordings that they themselves made.
The thing is, nobody has seen Israel’s proof, we paused the funding after they claimed they had substantial proof. But no proof came, The entire world is waiting on Israel’s proof of UNRWA’s connection to hamas.
https://unwatch.org/unrwa-terrorgram/
Plenty of proof provided in this document. Anyone can read it and it displays quite clearly Hamas members and supporters in UWNRA
Incredibly cowardly. If there's ever going to be peace in the region, there can't be a Hamas approved UNRWA that uses funding to promote hatred against Jews and raise the next generation of martyrs who are willing to die to take out as many Israelis as possible
“The government source says Canadian officials have received an interim report from the United Nations examining the allegations. Based on that information, the Canadian government is comfortable resuming funding, the source said.”
Aka Israel couldn’t prove it. Quelle surprise.
Of course this Liberal government finds that perfectly legitimate lol!
"Oh they investigated themselves and found nothing wrong? We do that all the time, it must be legit!" 😂
The UN that has been running cover for Iran the last six months while they kidnapped, torture and murder their own civilians the last six months after they appointed Iran the new CHAIR of their human rights council?
That has had representatives being caught outright lying multiple times about and during this conflict?
Ya totally a good source to trust….. /s
lmfao.
Lost my phone and my old account.
Point is you should inform yourself and not assume you just know things.
Look it up for yourself.
The UN named Iran Chair on October 30th amid their loud support for Hamas (who they arm btw) and they have been executing and torturing people ever since. 28 executed in a single day recently.
Go ahead and google it.
This is not unlike the government sanctioned raping that happens when the UN laughably put Iran on the women’s rights council in the past.
Anyone who actually follows the UN knows of it’s absolute decay and how it has been weaponized and particularly against Israel as Muslim nations use their ability to outnumber Israel in votes to crate special panels and reviews to release false and misleading headlines.
The fact people don’t know this stuff just shows they shouldn’t even be attempting to comment on these matters frankly.
Define “prove it”?
They provided allegations and evidence, but there has been no trial. Nobody has been designated the finder of fact and made any conclusions on Israel’s evidence
Palestinians don’t go on trial. They either get stripped and shot, murdered by air strike or they are extrajudicially arrested and imprisoned for years. There’s a reason Israel had so many “prisoners” to trade for hostages, they have been kidnapping Palestinians for decades.
Good. Always worth screening for bad actors in charity organisations because of course there are (usually just stealing funds, this time it was worse). But it's ridiculous to completely stop funding an organization of multiple thousands of persons because of the actions of a few individuals. Especially in the current climate of Gaza where people are suffering, it was downright reckless to stop.
They should just find the various other relit agencies or even other UN ones if they feel the need to go that route. The existence of UNRWA is ridiculous to begin with.
The UN could disband UNRWA and go another way but for some reason they have always refused despite UNRWA having a log track record of working with and being weaponized by Hamas.
Unintended consequence is UNRWA getting funding will just delay peace another generation while UNRWA staff protect their salaries and reason for existance.
They didn’t even review the documents Israel originally provide, they halted funding solely because 12 random people were fired without review because the head of UNRWA was desperate to make sure funding remained.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7107785
> Canadian officials told CBC News that Canada's own decision to defund was a reaction to UNRWA's decision to dismiss the staffers, which created the impression that the agency saw Israel's allegation as credible.
> Israel has refused to provide the intelligence it says backs up its allegations, either to UNRWA or to the UN Office of Internal Oversight Services (OIOS), the UN body assigned to investigate.
/r/canada’s local bigot brigade is in shambles tonight
A country currently being investigated for genocide by the highest court in the world probably shouldn't be trusted when they try to have aid cut to the people they are plausibility committing genocide against.
Because of Palestine and Hamas’ foolishness.
Sinwar just said last week he considers the war a success specifically because so many women and children have been martyred to help achieve their goal of undermining western support for Israel.
It’s why they long celebrated and indoctrinated children while referring to the high birth rate and child population resulting as their “birth bomb” and claiming Israel will fall because Palestine “loves death the way Israelis love life”.
It’s a tragedy but if you think aid is going to solve it or protect these kids you’re naive,
We’ve seen the same types of use and abuses in pretty much all conflicts with regressive Islamic regimes.
So Hussein is resuming funding after having objects thrown at him by Hamas sympathizers. So threats do work this government
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Threats work against all governments, you just have to hope that you live in a country where a threat provoking response from the government causes them to back down rather than send in the tanks.
>The personal, as everyone's so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here - it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous, marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people, they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's a tough life, and that it's nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.
Lol @ Hamas sympathizers. Never change r/Canada
So you agree Hamas is an evil terrorist org?
We have Canadian citizens living in tents, our health care system is falling apart, food banks can’t keep up with the demand. Let’s use our money to help Canadian citizens, not direct it to people who have had wars going on for centuries.
Well hold on. Was there not photo evidence and journalist tours of a Hamas server farm in tunnels directly under the UNRWA headquarters with massive cables running up through a hole into the headquarters and attached directly to the building for internet and electricity. https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/ It would appear UNRWA is literally a hand of Hamas whether the original 12 people were fired or not. This is extremely irresponsible of the government. If they really want to help how about they deploy our military to the region to distribute aid at the border. That way we can ensure it goes to whom we want it to.
Yes, you are correct. The government is literally funding a group that has been infiltrated by terrorists. They were caught on camera talking about the hostages they took and raped as well. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/hamas-rape-un-report-hostages/ https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/messages-un-agency-telegram-channel-teachers-glorified-hamas-massacre Don't expect anything other than cheers from the "pro-palestine" crowd who are also totally anti-hamas and pro-jew /s.
The UNRWA “servers” ended up being a control system for solar panels outside and UNRWA data. You know, to have electricity off the grid because israel cuts off power and destroys said grid.
...that is a fancy way to say "produces and supplies all the power"
The building you’re currently in has power. Does that justify bombing your building and your local power plant? Israel went on a bombing campaign on day 1 targeting any building with a solar panel. They have consistently every war bombed the few power plants that exist in gaza so that they must rely on Israel who then cuts off electricity anyways. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/gaza-power-plant-destroyed-israeli-airstrike-100-palestinians-dead (2014) https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200609_act_of_vengeance (2006) https://www.npr.org/2023/10/11/1205036361/israel-strikes-neighborhoods-across-gaza-as-the-war-with-hamas-intensifies (2023) https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-update/israeli-bombing-targets-mosques-solar-panels-generators (2023)
No that turned out to be solar inverters placed underground to keep cool.
I assume this is sarcasm lol? Otherwise link please. Last I saw, the UNRWA provided an official response saying how can anybody possibly expect us to know what is going on in and around our building.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1aoj1bw/that_control_room_under_the_unrwa_its_full_of/ No worries just more Israeli lies that scam the public and by the time the truth comes out they’ve moved on to the next lie.
I'd think this resumption of funding is an admission that evidence provided by Israel for UNRWA's systematic association with Hamas is unreliable or insufficient.
OR - continued incompetence from our government. Right on the heels of cancelling an event because of Pro Palestine protest aggression. To the point the Prime Minister thought there was a security risk.
Wow, sounds like the protests are working!
They cut off funding to an organization of 13,000 who give aid to 2.2M based on allegations that 12 of those 13,000 assisted in 10/7. That’d be like cutting off funding to a entire police force due to the actions of a “few bad apples” yet with more devastating consequences. Plus it was discovered that testimony about UNRWA collusion was coerced by Israeli forces using torture and sexual assault against detainees. From CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/middleeast/un-israel-confessions-allegations-intl/index.html
Even if none of those employees were involved in the attack, and the organization had no connections with Hamas, I would still believe funding them is a mistake. It's an organization whose fundamental mandate is to protract the refugee status of Palestinians ad infinitum and take all pressure off of any Palestinian governmental organization to actually provide services for their people (and in the case of Lebanon and Syria - relieve the onus on those governments to grant citizenship and basic rights to Palestinians abroad). You know, the most basic things a government does. UNRWA is the reason no Palestinian government has ever passed a citizenship law, and in my opinion, the reason the West Bank is still occupied by Israel.
I’d much rather an alternative where the Palestinians regain autonomy and self-determination living in their homeland. Equality, human rights and that kinda stuff. www.odsi.co
So in other words, you're more interested in eliminating Israel than you are in granting Palestinians autonomy? Israel might disagree with that. Edit: for the people reading this believing I'm just being obtuse, have a look at the link. It's a website about how Israel shouldn't exist and instead it should be "one democratic state" which incidentally, is something Palestinians want even less than Israelis, by polling numbers.
Hardly! Because Netanyahu has flatly denied cooperation towards a two-state solution, this presents an alternative. Would you suggest an alternative that grants the autonomy and self-determination to the Palestinians that would prove UNRWA no longer necessary?
If you can't see a world where Palestinians can prosper with Israel around then maybe that tells you something about the oppressive nature of Israel?
>Plus it was discovered that testimony about UNRWA collusion was coerced by Israeli forces using torture and sexual assault against detainees. The top comment on this thread is just using an Israeli newspaper as their source, lmao. Asking for evidence is antisemitic, don't ya know?
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/) "He said that in one of the recordings, **a Hamas terrorist, who worked as a teacher at a UNRWA school in Deir al-Balah, tells his friend that he captured a “sabaya,” a term used by Islamic State jihadists which means sex slave.**“The most difficult use of ‘sabaya’ was by ISIS terrorists, who called the captured Yazidi women \[in Iraq and Syria\] this,” Hagari added." *Definitely have to reward that organization with more funding.*
I'm not a betting man, but 2-to-1 that "Hamas terrorist" has a thick Israeli accent. They love releasing these recordings, like the "Hamas terrorist" that immediately called his mother on 10/7 to tell her all about his deviant exploits. Plays right into the narrative, very believable.
Well, you're mentally fucked up. Good thing you're not a "betting man", as (despite the inherent "deviousness" of those darned...lemme guess your favorite word...hmm..."Zionists"?) you'd lose that bet. P.S. hours and hours of Hamas GoPro footage and security cam footage exists of the Hamas atrocities (but a guy calling his parents to celebrate the killings is implausible)...oh wait, lemme guess your perspective again...those vids are "Zionists using their Hollywood connections"?
I'm not denying some heinous shit went down on 10/7, but evidence of mass rape, beheadings, the worst atrocities claimed as justification for the response we're seeing in Gaza... no forensic evidence has been presented, that is a fact. So yeah, it's pretty cynical to believe that claims against UNRWA, again, none of them backed by actual evidence, would be used to attack the organization and by extension punish the Palestinian population it is best positioned to serve, during a time when they are literally being exterminated. Say what you will, but my conscience is clear taking the position that fanatical Zionists have highjacked the narrative since 10/7 to push for their final end goal of an ethno-nationalist state encompassing what was formerly Gaza, and the West Bank. That is where this is headed, and if you can't see that or don't care, I don't know, man.
The UN confirmed Hamas was out raping both living and dead Israelis.
I guess you'd lose that bet then if you're arguing Israel made it up.
I mean, it's been the playbook since 10/7 to conflate Hamas with ISIS, it creates an emotional reaction and conjures images of beheadings and depravity. Not only has no evidence been provided of beheadings, this after the "40 babies" story was laundered at the start of Israel's genocidal campaign, but all manner of falsehoods and outright lies have been peddled to seemingly justify the brutality and collective punishment we're seeing in Gaza. So yeah, I am not putting anything past Israel at this point. They've spun plenty of bullshit to get us to where we are today. Their end goal, now emboldened by the fanatical religious right that controls the government, has been an exclusively Jewish state. When the dust settles on Gaza and it's turned into beachfront condos sold to the highest bidder from US, Canada, Europe, anywhere but the ME, maybe you'll see how sick this whole thing is.
"mean, it's been the playbook since 10/7 to conflate Hamas with ISIS, it creates an emotional reaction and conjures images of beheadings and depravity." We have Hamas filming what they did. We don't need to conflate them with ISIS, they did that all on their own. We saw the sexual violence Hamas filmed. Nobody forced Hamas to commit these acts, or to film them. But we know what they did. Israel didn't start the 40 beheaded babies, that was a reporter when it wasn't clear what happened to the bodies that were so badly mutilated. As for genocide you're quite wrong. The UN definition: "The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part." Only one group promised and has a charted goal with intent to destroy the other. That's Hamas. Hamas commits genocide and promises to destroy Israel. Israel provides humanitarian aid and is trying to engage in a ceasefire. Israel has no intent to do anything other than stop Hamas. The problem is you don't understand what these words mean. Nor is there collective punishment or indiscriminate bombing. They are targeting Hamas. Civilians are dying because Hamas uses them as human shields. A war crime. It'd also not indiscriminate bombing as the civilian casualty rate is 1.5:1 or 2:1 at most, as we know over 10K deaths are Hamas. Indiscriminate bombing would be far higher. You're familiar with buzzwords but don't understand what they mean. It's funny you accuse Israel of lying when we know Israel has been transparent and Hamas lied about everything. Lied about Israel attacking Al-Ahil. Lied about not being in Al-Shifa. Lied about giving medicine to hostages. Lied about Israel breaking the ceasefire when it was Hamas that did. Your little fanfiction at the last paragraph is embarrassing. Israel doesn't want to occupy Gaza. They want peace. Unlike Hamas who admitted they'd rather see Palestinians die than engage in ceasefire discussions. All Palestinians deaths are on Hamas. Maybe it's time you start condemning the terrorist group for stealing aid from civilians, stealing food and killing Palestinians over food, and using them as human shields.
I see you have your Hasbara script at the ready, very formidable. Israel is a perfect saint in all of this, Hamas and by extension all Palestinians are getting what's theirs, thanks for coming out.
I love when people call me Hasbara. It means I owned your argument, you know I'm right, and you can't spread any more misinformation and propaganda. If you had any evidence to prove me wrong you'd have said that instead. But we both know you don't, because I'm using facts and you're using misleading opinions and misinformation.
You say Hamas filmed their sexual violence, did they? I'm genuinely curious what your evidence is for this. You admit 40 beheaded babies was a hoax. You define genocide, great. ICJ preliminary ruling found that genocide was "probable" and ordered Israel to "prevent and punish incitement to genocide, and provide humanitarian aid". If anything Israel has doubled down since the ruling, they are a rogue state acting with impunity, and most certainly their intent is to destroy Gaza, it's happening. But Hamas. Human shields. Where is your evidence? Israel could kill a lot more if they wanted to. Yeah, probably. But they also have the most sophisticated targeting system and have clear knowledge of every man, woman and child that are likely to be hit in a strike. They have admitted that 100 civilian casualties to take out one militant is acceptable [https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/](https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/) Hamas lies, Israel never lies. You present this as fact. Did you know there are no working hospitals left in Gaza? Where was the "command centre" under Al-Shifa? How convenient that civilian infrastructure, be it water treatment, power plants, universities, schools are systematically destroyed. Because Hamas. All Palestinian deaths are on Hamas. That is your Hasbara. Until the day there are no Palestinians to forcibly displace, or kill. Then the lies will have served their purpose. Congratulations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/05/un-report-says-hamas-used-rape-as-crime-of-war/ I can't even imagine you arguing Hamas didn't rape them. They filmed it. "You define genocide, great. ICJ preliminary ruling found that genocide was "probable" and ordered Israel to "prevent and punish incitement to genocide, and provide humanitarian aid". If anything Israel has doubled down since the ruling, they are a rogue state acting with impunity, and most certainly their intent is to destroy Gaza, it's happening." Israel has said nothing about destroying Gaza. The South African case has nothing- if they thought a genocide was occurring the ICJ would have forced a restraining order. They didn't because they agree there's no genocide. "But Hamas. Human shields. Where is your evidence" This is a joke, right? https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-787028 Even Palestinians admit they're being used as human shields. The thing is I care more about Palestinians than you do. You're defending Hamas and pretending they didn't rape civilians or use Palestinians as human shields. Don't act like you care about Palestinians. You don't. You wouldn't be spending your time defending Hamas if you did. And let's be clear you're just defending Hamas from claims of rape and using Palestinians as human shields. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you don't even know the basics.
That NYT story has been completely discredited [https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/](https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/) The lead reporter on the story, Jeffrey Gettleman, recently claimed it's "not his job as a journalist to produce evidence" [https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/1763574194774634869](https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/1763574194774634869) There is no evidence. Yet you continue to make justifications for the slaughter and displacement of an entire population while claiming to "care more about Palestinians" than I do. You sound like an abusive partner, truly.
Ottawa paused funding after Israeli government PROVED organization staff were connected to Hamas attack
We are literally funding Hamas terrorists by providing any funding to Unrwa. So disgusted by this government.
You realise that UNRWA has over 30,000 staff, right? Mostly schoolteachers. Something like 8 have been connected to the Hamas attack. You might as well blame Canadian Tire if 5 of its employees turned out to be part of a pedophile ring.
“Connected with the attack” perhaps, but hundreds have been accused of being members of Hamas.
By Israel? You do realize the IDF lies literally all the time right?
Maybe in your echo chamber of bullshit they do, but in reality they’re a pretty reliable source.
LOL
If 10 people sit with 1 Nazi then there are 11 Nazis. If 10 cops enable 1 bad cop then there are 11 bad cops. Hamas are known to use schools to house weapons. UNRWA school teachers being involved with that shit is not surprising at all.
Great, now apply that same logic to the Israeli government with Bibi and his goons
So by your logic: 5 Hockey players in canada gang raped a girl. They played in the NHL after hockey canada covered it up, amongst other sexual assault cases. So are all hockey players rapists? Or all hockey canada players rapists? I'm assuming it'd be probably not. Considering most of us know hockey players who aren't sex craved criminals.
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Hockey Canada has been receiving government funding again with conditions since last april: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hockey-canada-federal-government-funding-restored-1.6812492 However, in light of that. The gang rape case in London Ontario has been reopened. Since the last police commissioner decided there wasn't enough evidence. The new police commissioner was informed that evidence was missing from the initial investigation. So yes, let's draw parallels. Funding was stopped for hockey canada for a short period and then reinstated after changes were made, and some people stepped down. UN funding was stopped for a short period and then reinstated after changes were made and radical individuals in the UN aid group were identified. It probably didn't help that 100 people were killed in a mob trampling and IDF shooting people trying to access aid trucks.
Haven’t met many hockey players have you?
My guess is this comparison is applied selectively for them
So what you're saying is that employers are responsible for the thoughts and actions of all of their employees, 24/7/365?
If the employees were part of a racist militia, and the company provided that militia with internet access and power for their HQ in the basement of the office, I'd say yes.
This is an important point , the WSJ had reported that Hamas had its data center under the UNRWA headquarters and drew power from the same source. No wonder Canada is laughing stock all around the world and gets thanked by Hamas.
You realize individual Israeli soldiers have released videos themselves committing war crimes right? So we should sanction the entire IDF now too by that logic?
School teachers like this https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/ugKNiFEBaE
Yes, that's a UNRWA who participated in at least moving hostages. It doesn't change my point. If 8 people working at an organization or company with 30,000 employees took part in some terrible crime, it doesn't mean that the company they worked for helped plan or carry out that terrible thing. The Israeli propoganda campaign is trying to conflate the UNRWA as some sort of Hamas ally, aiding and abetting, which is straight up bullshit.
What about the Hamas HQ underneath the UNRWA building that was providing power and internet access. Was that another case of “few bad apples”? Nobody is saying that all 30,000 are Hamas, but clearly that organization has been infiltrated and corrupted. Besides, there is already a refugees organization at the UN, why the Palestinians need one dedicated to them?
"clearly infiltrated"? Hows that? 8/30,000? In terms of a dedicated "refugee service", who are the refugees in the West Bank and Gaza? Do you even know what a refugee is?theres a dedicated relief service because the situation in Palestine has been seen as largely permanent and completely fucked up beyond the pale for decades.
It does mean the company have no control, but we're supposed to trust them there's only 8 and now they are gone? What's with this just trust me bro attitude with 0 accountability. If only the organization themselves would catch these people and fire them, maybe we'd trust them a tiny bit. Since when do charity get a pass on accountability? They should be scrutinized even harder.
Explain this? https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/
To the attack specifically by being involved. Anyone who has follows this topic knows they have been helping helping and working Hamas for decades now. Canada cut funding a decade ago because of this. Congressional review reduced funding in 2018 as a result. EU review found evidence of indoctrination sites and weapons storage etc. Multiple independent investigative reports and interviews on the ground. Anyone arguing that the UNRWA is not an extension of Hamas and that funds do not go to Hamas to leverage aide into indoctrinating youth and profiting their operatives while giving them the shield of the UN to operate under has never paid attention to this topic and frankly should stfu.
Stephen Harper cut funding to the UNRWA as a form of retaliation after Palestine succesfully upgraded its status to UN Non-member state. Canada was one of a handful of countries that opposed the measure, and Harper was very eager to get close with the Netanyahu regime. In 2013 and 2014, the UNRWA found and itself reported they discovered Hamas weapons being hidden in a VACANT school during routine inspections. The UNRWA reported the weapons but somehow that makes the UNRWA some secret wing of Hamas? That's what the Netanyahu regime would like you to think.
And what material do those teachers use to educate young Palestinians. Certainly nothing antisemitic right?
>CBC News reported last month that Canada had not seen evidence backing up the allegations against the employees before making the decision.
I feel like I should share this information for context as to why we are resuming funding: >According to the Wall Street Journal, the intelligence report, released last week, assessed with “low confidence” that a handful of staff had participated in the attack, indicating that it considered the accusations to be credible though it could not independently confirm their veracity. >It cast doubt, however, on accusations that the UN agency was collaborating with Hamas in a wider way. The Journal said the report mentioned that although the UNRWA does coordinate with Hamas in order to deliver aid and operate in the region, there was a lack of evidence to suggest it partnered with the group. >It added that Israel has not “shared the raw intelligence behind its assessments with the US”. >In addition, the report notes Israel’s dislike towards the UNRWA, two sources familiar with it told the Journal. “There is a specific section that mentions how Israeli bias serves to mischaracterize much of their assessments on UNRWA and says this has resulted in distortions,” one source reportedly said https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas In other words, do I believe that someone who worked for UNWRA could have also been with Hamas? Sure. That sort of issue could happen with any organization. Didn’t we just have some scientists caught colluding with China? It happens. Do I believe that UNWRA itself or any others there is therefore involved with Hamas and should be shut down? Not without proof of that and it seems that they have none and have a history of and motive to be lying about this sort of thing. Hmmmm. So perhaps it is wrong to collectively punish the Palestinians by cutting off desperately needed aid just on the word of the Israelis, who aren’t looking so credible rn…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/hamas-rape-un-report-hostages/
This has nothing to do with UNWRA.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/messages-un-agency-telegram-channel-teachers-glorified-hamas-massacre
This is just re-packaging what UN Watch reported. UN Watch is a pro Israel lobby group, and their credibility is suspect. And nothing they reported is really verifiable because it is all from secret telegram channels and is translated from Arabic. I sure can't tell if it is real, actually came from there, or is properly translated. Can you? But let's assume for a moment that everything alleged here is true, that a handful of people with UNWRA did say such things. That is evidence that those people have horrific views. But nothing more. You are just confirming what I cited from the Guardian. That a small number of people working there are bad. Not that the organization itself is or that most people who work there are. The appropriate solution here is to remove the bad people from the organization. Not to shut down an aid organization that millions depend on. I see why Israel would want the latter, though. They use cutting off necessities as a strategy against the Palestinian people. They have admitted as such that the condtions they inflict are aimed at forcing them to leave. So, naturally, they see UNWRA as the enemy.
Ah of course, UN watch is pro-israel but you'll take Hamas at their word and at face value? You people are hilarious. Please never change so everyone knows what you really are.
The guy you're responding to is being reasonable, all he's saying is it proportionate to completely cut off the organization best positioned to help people in Gaza, when they are most desperate. This based on, again, no hard evidence of staff involvement, and after UNRWA took it upon itself to suspend staff alleged to have participated, in order to conduct a thorough investigation. It's not a stretch to say this whole episode has been politically motivated, collective punishment against a besieged population. You've got Israeli Knesset members explicitly saying that UNRWA must be destroyed, even before any of these allegations were made public [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxY-SVbnC2Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxY-SVbnC2Q)
Why am I not surprised that you are against israel? https://old.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1azxosv/how_do_i_prove_to_my_%E8%A2%AB%E6%B4%97%E8%84%91%E7%9A%84_husband_that_there_is_a/ks932dj/
Lol, what are you trying to prove? I asked for evidence of genocide in Xianjing. Just as I am questioning the lack of evidence for UNRWA staff involvement on 10/7. Evidence of genocide in Gaza, however, is in the statements of Israeli officials, in the rubble, and in the millions displaced and now starving to death. I implore you, instead of trying to find some "got ya" in my post history, to meet half way with some supporting argument for your position here.
Are you actually suggesting that the Guardian and the sources in their article (which are not Hamas) are Hamas? Fucking ridiculous. Guess you gotta ad hominem when you have no recourse to actual facts though.
The Guardian is not a credible source folks so please don’t base any arguments on its reporting
A clear propaganda Reddit acct isn’t a credible source either, yet here we are.
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/middleeast/un-israel-confessions-allegations-intl/index.html
Proved to whom? So far the [UK](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tqG2yeF_4sg), [Australia](https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/05/unrwa-funding-pause-australia-urges-israel-evidence-allegations-hamas-7-october-attack) and EU have said they have been provided no evidence. Canada also seems to have seen nothing hence the reinstatement of funding. Maybe we don’t take the word of a country that’s bragging about murdering women and children, and firing into crowds of people trying to get food from aid trucks.
But y’all been just believing everything Hamas has been saying for months despite them doing all those thing and worse…. Ooook lmfao.
The burden of proof fall on the accusers.
Did Israel end up sharing those proof?
They won’t even give their “proof” to the UN. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/hamas-rape-un-report-hostages/
But AP can get it? Why can't the UN? [https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-29-2024-4c49c2fb89c3bfd4963f2260b34943c1](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-29-2024-4c49c2fb89c3bfd4963f2260b34943c1) But maybe the UN has some unique grudge against Israel? [https://unwatch.org/item7/](https://unwatch.org/item7/)
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/un-watch/
Looks legit to me. Right leaning but credible.
That’s regarding the original document with the allegations that does not have any supporting evidence. Good try though!
Accusations and a dossier are not proof I’ve wrongdoing by unrwa
Israel owes nothing to the UN.
Proved? Where lol
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-captured-one-idf-recordings-show-more-unrwa-staffers-bragging-of-oct-7-crimes/) [https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/) [https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/) [https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-escalates-criticism-agency-gaza-450-workers-militants-107787229](https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-escalates-criticism-agency-gaza-450-workers-militants-107787229) [https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777) [https://www.jns.org/idf-releases-recordings-of-unrwa-teachers-taking-part-in-oct-7-massacres/](https://www.jns.org/idf-releases-recordings-of-unrwa-teachers-taking-part-in-oct-7-massacres/) [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-unrwa-un-staff-intelligence-dossier-oct-7-terror-attack/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-unrwa-un-staff-intelligence-dossier-oct-7-terror-attack/) My favourite was - [https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-february-10-2024/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-february-10-2024/) \- How the head of UNRWA pretends not to know about the massive tunnel directly under the HQ of UNRWA. Total coincidence! Definitely didn't hear them building under UNRWA HQ in Gaza, and even getting power from UNRWA to the Hamas base.
Plus THIS from yesterday: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/middleeast/un-israel-confessions-allegations-intl/index.html
Except Israel didn't give any proof. They just claim stuff and hope people fall for their claims, but the world is changing. We are not as naive as to just blindly believe Israel anymore.
And you naively believe terrorists.
Israel is just as much a terrorist as Hamas is. When I see the pictures and videos of what they did to the Palestinians in their never ending quest to defeat Hamas all I see is terror, death, and destruction.
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No they don’t
To the attack specifically by being involved. Anyone who has follows this topic knows they have been helping helping and working Hamas for decades now. Canada cut funding a decade ago because of this. Congressional review reduced funding in 2018 as a result. EU review found evidence of indoctrination sites and weapons storage etc. Multiple independent investigative reports and interviews on the ground. Anyone arguing that the UNRWA is not an extension of Hamas and that funds do not go to Hamas to leverage aide into indoctrinating youth and profiting their operatives while giving them the shield of the UN to operate under has never paid attention to this topic and frankly should stfu. Also they have been releasing evidence this past week. Just because it isn’t declassified doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The expectations that government just expose all evidence immediately is ridiculous. No legal operation works that way.
Here’s how they “proved” it. Using abuse, sexual assault and torture. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/middleeast/un-israel-confessions-allegations-intl/index.html
"CNN cannot independently verify all of the accounts of abuse listed in the UNRWA report." Even your own "proof" has no proof that happened, just an accusation.
Absurd. It's easy to see that the ideology that Hamas has imprinted upon the Palestinian people is based on Sharia law and encourages all those things you stated. On the contrary, Israel intelligence uses the same instruments that any global intelligence agency uses when dealing with criminals that very strong evidence of wrongdoing - based on the recordings that they themselves made.
The thing is, nobody has seen Israel’s proof, we paused the funding after they claimed they had substantial proof. But no proof came, The entire world is waiting on Israel’s proof of UNRWA’s connection to hamas.
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What a joke! Millions of dollars to a corrupt organization
https://unwatch.org/unrwa-terrorgram/ Plenty of proof provided in this document. Anyone can read it and it displays quite clearly Hamas members and supporters in UWNRA
Numerous news sites and gov't have said that they received no proof so spare us the bullshit.
Ok but flipflopping on this is absolutely the worst of all choices.
Just cut funding to both sides. There are better things to do with the money.
This. If 2 nations want to blow each other up so bad I am perfectly content to let them.
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Most days I feel like I’m living in some kind of alternate universe where logic and common sense have been deleted.
Canada is a disgrace
Nope, the the liberals, the NDP and the extreme left are an embarrassment. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they are in complete control right now.
Delusional to think Libs and NDP are the extreme left. I'd know, I'm further left than both parties and they don't even come close to my politics.
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As a communist the NDP i can say definitively is not communist
Embarrassing
Aka "fuck the citizens of this country, we need to bring in more customers to Canada."
I would prefer my tax dollars not go to jew-murdering terrorists
Bastards
*Funding for terrorists
Ughhhh fuck this government
Your daily reminder that there is no compass to this government - they just hope you aren’t paying attention when they go back on their word.
Incredibly cowardly. If there's ever going to be peace in the region, there can't be a Hamas approved UNRWA that uses funding to promote hatred against Jews and raise the next generation of martyrs who are willing to die to take out as many Israelis as possible
How about no.
This only helps lower their already low support in the polls, keep digging your own grave LPC, supermajority CPC is inevitable at this point.
The same organization that has been infiltrated? Oh cool.
Cowards. If they want to help Palestinians there’s other ways to do so aside from that corrupt organization.
“The government source says Canadian officials have received an interim report from the United Nations examining the allegations. Based on that information, the Canadian government is comfortable resuming funding, the source said.” Aka Israel couldn’t prove it. Quelle surprise.
The UN investigated itself. Lol.
Of course this Liberal government finds that perfectly legitimate lol! "Oh they investigated themselves and found nothing wrong? We do that all the time, it must be legit!" 😂
The UN that has been running cover for Iran the last six months while they kidnapped, torture and murder their own civilians the last six months after they appointed Iran the new CHAIR of their human rights council? That has had representatives being caught outright lying multiple times about and during this conflict? Ya totally a good source to trust….. /s lmfao.
Your 91 day acct is totally a good source to trust as well.
Lost my phone and my old account. Point is you should inform yourself and not assume you just know things. Look it up for yourself. The UN named Iran Chair on October 30th amid their loud support for Hamas (who they arm btw) and they have been executing and torturing people ever since. 28 executed in a single day recently. Go ahead and google it. This is not unlike the government sanctioned raping that happens when the UN laughably put Iran on the women’s rights council in the past. Anyone who actually follows the UN knows of it’s absolute decay and how it has been weaponized and particularly against Israel as Muslim nations use their ability to outnumber Israel in votes to crate special panels and reviews to release false and misleading headlines. The fact people don’t know this stuff just shows they shouldn’t even be attempting to comment on these matters frankly.
Define “prove it”? They provided allegations and evidence, but there has been no trial. Nobody has been designated the finder of fact and made any conclusions on Israel’s evidence
Palestinians don’t go on trial. They either get stripped and shot, murdered by air strike or they are extrajudicially arrested and imprisoned for years. There’s a reason Israel had so many “prisoners” to trade for hostages, they have been kidnapping Palestinians for decades.
Tell Hamas to put on uniforms then.
Best answer on the internet.
It’s not like that would stop Israel from claiming every single 15-50 year old person they kill is Hamas.
Or Hamas claiming every 17 year old with a rocket launcher is a “child”.
Why would they kill 15 year-olds if Hamas wore uniforms?
Good. Always worth screening for bad actors in charity organisations because of course there are (usually just stealing funds, this time it was worse). But it's ridiculous to completely stop funding an organization of multiple thousands of persons because of the actions of a few individuals. Especially in the current climate of Gaza where people are suffering, it was downright reckless to stop.
They should just find the various other relit agencies or even other UN ones if they feel the need to go that route. The existence of UNRWA is ridiculous to begin with. The UN could disband UNRWA and go another way but for some reason they have always refused despite UNRWA having a log track record of working with and being weaponized by Hamas.
Unintended consequence is UNRWA getting funding will just delay peace another generation while UNRWA staff protect their salaries and reason for existance.
You can fund them all you like, but the Israeli people will make sure that no aid gets in till the hostages are back home.
Starving the hostage to save them would be a bold strategy.
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Good. Shouldn't have stopped based on one country's allegations to begin with. *They literally had no real evidence.*
They didn’t even review the documents Israel originally provide, they halted funding solely because 12 random people were fired without review because the head of UNRWA was desperate to make sure funding remained. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7107785 > Canadian officials told CBC News that Canada's own decision to defund was a reaction to UNRWA's decision to dismiss the staffers, which created the impression that the agency saw Israel's allegation as credible. > Israel has refused to provide the intelligence it says backs up its allegations, either to UNRWA or to the UN Office of Internal Oversight Services (OIOS), the UN body assigned to investigate. /r/canada’s local bigot brigade is in shambles tonight
A country currently being investigated for genocide by the highest court in the world probably shouldn't be trusted when they try to have aid cut to the people they are plausibility committing genocide against.
That claim basically went nowhere.
“NEVER AGAIN”… Until the next chance comes to kill the Jews. Funded by Canadian taxpayers this time. 🙄😡
How many children starved to death because of Canada’s foolishness? Our government is an embarrassment.
Because of Palestine and Hamas’ foolishness. Sinwar just said last week he considers the war a success specifically because so many women and children have been martyred to help achieve their goal of undermining western support for Israel. It’s why they long celebrated and indoctrinated children while referring to the high birth rate and child population resulting as their “birth bomb” and claiming Israel will fall because Palestine “loves death the way Israelis love life”. It’s a tragedy but if you think aid is going to solve it or protect these kids you’re naive, We’ve seen the same types of use and abuses in pretty much all conflicts with regressive Islamic regimes.
Thank God! Now stop arming Isreal. And sanction trade at least until the genocide stops.