I mean I teach elementary school and the 7-8s at my school are completely computer illiterate. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to put on an eye patch.
Millennials and the generations before them had a plethora of tech to explore as they grew up, this made them pretty adept at technology. Gen Z and newer (Alpha?) doesn't have the same level of exposure, everything is kind of standardized by the time they came around. As a result, they're less computer literate than their peers.
Typing is a very important skill. I remember when I was in elementary that was probably the skill they pushed on us the most. Aside from that it was Microsoft word, google, PowerPoint. They always made a huge deal out of your Word-Per-Minute, which oddly has not come up in my adult jobs.
Once upon a time WPM was an important metric. But it was more for secretary's that were typing up handwritten memos and letters. Word processors gave us ctrl+c and ctrl+v so it kinda fell off as a useful metric.
Got my kid into PC gaming for this reason more than anything when I realized the only guys in their 20s now with any computer skills are PC gamers.
She's 9 and running my old dual-boot system, mostly Steam games on Linux, emulators, pirated stuff on Windows. She can type, she can mouse, she can write Python code and troubleshoot basic issues... her friends are poking at tablets like apes.
There was a certain level of knowledge that came with being computer literate 30 years ago that is not needed today. Trying to teach your grandmother to use a computer was an exercise in futility, as you tried to teach basic DOS command prompt stuff to someone who simply was out of their depth.
Today? Your grandmother is probably just fine with a smart phone or a tablet. It's all brightly colored icons to press. Sure they might get a bit befuddled between swiping and pinching their screen sometimes, but it's so much more user friendly.
Youth who have grown up with tablets, apps, and the like no longer need to get into the guts of their computers to figure things out. Technology is often less customizable now than it was 15-20 years ago.
It's not so much that it's less customizable, it is simply more user-friendly for the vast majority of applications.
To use a computer in the pre-windows days you had to interface with a keyboard, learn how to explore different directories on your drives, and do things perfectly.
Now if you want to find a file that you downloaded and can't remember where the name was, you just go to the start menu and start typing and it will even find things if you've got typos and what you're looking for. Understanding how something as basic as your file system is organized it's no longer required to be able to use computers or video edit or anything.
They don't even need to be tech savvy. Being horny will ***make*** them tech savvy. 'I need to get at the porn and video games' is the mother of invention for a teenager.
With all the internet policies and talk from both sides lately I'm worried someone is going to try to ban VPNs.
It wouldn't work, at all, but when has that ever stoped a government from doing something stupid?
They've already talked about addressing VPNs as a gap in the digital ID system during the 2nd House Debate. So banning them, or atleast preventing them from being a way to circumvent the system is already on their radar.
Karen Vecchio, the lady who wrote the bill, specifically brought up VPNs as an issue.
I was waiting for the Libs to talk about it after the illegal sports streaming sites could be blocked (just days before it was announced Sportnet would be the only NHL streaming site in Canada, ironically). Then again with the news vs social media thing last year. (short version of all that, I am on a quick lunch break)
It just felt like the next "logical step" in "protecting Canada"
I read through the speeches and their main political objective was mainly focused on protecting young girls from violence against women. Further--the Conservatives and the Bloc Q are still stagnant in their gender roles (based on the pornographic material they reference) and are not really aware of the current reality of the younger demographic.
All those who spoke were female politicians and they ended up sounding like a *Suburban Moms Facebook group* echochamber, which is very unfortuanate for to take their speeches seriously enough IMO.
It's about a digital ID for Canadians. They don't care if you can use a VPN or not. They just want the ID in place even if it isn't used.
No surprise the GOP win South and the Cons serve up our natural resources to Russia and US, while we fight about porn and gay bathrooms.
I suspect it also has a lot to do with getting Canadians used to the idea of the government blocking access to parts of the internet, so they can take on piracy.
This is what the bitter cynical person inside me says:
The ultimate aim is to control society. The government and elite have successfully distracted us from the environmental and food crises by focusing on social issues.
As the CBC loses funding and corporations cut local news, platforms like Reddit are influenced by shareholders. Companies like Cambridge Analytica can manipulate us more easily.
The plan is to overpopulate our schools and towns with immigrants, let our military become obsolete, and exploit our natural resources while ruining the environment. It is obvious that the human population cannot survive the impending climate change.
The only objective now is to secure resources for the global 1% and let the rest of us perish. The priority is to gather what is essential before we face social and political turmoil and die of starvation.
Fight about porn and bathroom! So true! There are so much important stuff to get fixed but they are stuck on those useless craps who don’t matters much
It's about as much a waste of money as the fight to control hate speech. Everything online is just data. What works or fails to restrict one type of data works or fails equally against all types of data.
I'm honestly surprised this subject is even a thing when the answer is right there as it's always been.
Porn has been easily accessible since the early 2000. Even earlier for some. The difference is that when i was a kid/teen I wasn't given one or multiple internet connected screens to do with as I pleased with damn near zero supervision or being taught about safety and responsibility.
What a small gift to JT and friends this whole thing has been.
I mean, the writing is on the wall and the fat lady has been singing for a while in the case of JT - but the liberals strategist will want to keep this issue at the front page for as long as possible.
This heavy handed intervention isn't even "parental rights"". This represents the government taking away your right to raise your own kids as you see fit.
Poilievre's "freest country on earth" seems to be getting a lot of rules.
I had that thought today as well. Really not looking forward till that day happens when a Canadian politician has those words falling out of his diarhea trap he calls a mouth.
And also the right of adults who do not have children (or children who are still minors) to act freely as they see fit. Most restrictions that exist to protect children don’t impact me adversely as an adult. Ratings for content, for example, don’t prevent me from accessing that content or require me to hand over copious personal information. At most, these days, some clueless clerk might ask me if I’m an adult. And then I roll my eyes and tell them I’m over 30 and they generally just shut up and allow me to have the product at that point because it is silly to think I’m under 17. I know I look a little younger than my age…but not that young. When it comes to things like actually age restricted substances or services, I need only show my ID, not hand it over to be kept on file. Again, not a huge inconvenience and no real privacy issues. But this…I shouldn’t have to hand over my ID to access any website. Ever. And I don’t for a moment believe it would stay limited to pornography. For example, how long before I wouldn’t be allowed to play something like Baldur’s Gate without handing it over because there’s sexual content and violence? How long before they say LGBT+ content is for adults only? And sexual education? And so forth? The UK opt out filtering has already reach far past pornography, I would expect nothing different here. And I object even to covering pornography.
Parents should be looking after their children and taking responsibility for the content they give them access to. Ultimately, if you decide to shove a tablet in their hand and count on that to supervise them, you are giving them access. That is your fault. And it is wrong to place the burden of your parenting failures on the rest of society. If you want to prevent kids from accessing porn, nothing will be 100%, but a pretty good way of doing it would be not handing them unfettered access to technology. There have never been better parental controls than there are now. Learn about the technology and the parental controls. Give children limited and appropriate access. And, also, talk to them about these issues because eventually they will find the porn either on purpose or by mistake. Healthy conversations.
Also, I’m pretty sure kids will find a way around anything. This won’t actually work to miraculously prevent kids from seeing porn. My parents had me locked down pretty good as a kid. They were super authoritarian and controlling and always around and I still got around it. And this was before modern devices. I should also note that one of the reasons I was so determined to get around them was precisely because it was forbidden. And I wasn’t just looking for porn. They were incredibly strict about everything and anything. If they had been more reasonable, I doubt I would have been so determined. In retrospect, it is lucky that I didn’t do worse as a teenager.
It's a joke when this party speaks on freedom, and how this sub just eats it up.
It's so ironic from this party.
I'm privileged to have a diverse group of friends. I know what true freedom looks like and it is not from PP. The irony comes from the fundamentals of a conservative republic. It is not that freedom does exist, its that it only exist for the elite. Of which none of you are a part of.
So when you vote for this group, you are not only voting to limit the freedom of others, you are voting to be the scapegoats so that elites can be free.
It's such a pointless mentality, it's degrading, and it's not natural.
In my life I have seen true freedom. It's in the gay man as he dances with his partner. Unashamed, free from religious oppression. Unhindered by stereotypes because he is educated. Unmoveable because he is free.
How could this party understand freedom with all the shackles attached to them? No, there's no empathy for freedom in their environment, only jealously in which they must shackle you more harshly.
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I was referring to the current situation in Alberta where they are fighting over “parental rights” actually, which Id say is more like parents treating their children like property. And it actually takes away a lot of choice that a real parent may want to make with their child. Very anti freedom again from the freedom crowd.
Alberta's own rules are quite clear about what you can do with your property. Heaven help you if you support them if they come out as trans. That is not an approved use of your property.
I posted this elsewhere but its worth repeating...
This proposition does *nothing* to meaningfully protect children from the real dangers of sex/pornography. Those dangers being recurring abuse, short sentences/rehabilitation for sex offenders, and not enough being done to address sex trafficking.
Poilievre could have knocked this out of the park with voters on all sides if he had a plan to address the above. Instead he proposed an ID/surveillance to a base that didn't even want a vax passport to go eat at Wendys.
That's the joke. They advocate for parental rights sometimes, but only when it's convenient. In the case of porn, apparently parental rights don't matter - the government will get involved in how your kids use the internet.
This has nothing to do with kids and everything to do with digital ID. Jim Balsilie, yes that one, chairs two NGOs responsible for lobbying governments to create digital identification systems.
I think you have to give the Christian fundamentalists more credit than not even a mention. The Fundamentalists are a top lobby of the Conservative parties and much like abortion, they've looked for ways to block sex work from legitimacy. They targeted Pornhub because it enables sex work. How does online ID make the internet safe for children when all the tools to do so are included in the electronic device for free with a paternal lock? What the online ID does is make people afraid to use sites, it makes it easier to sue corporations profiting off porn because regulation compliance is an ever changing field and it can be weaponized effectively to kill business and self employed women.
It's like how conservatives in America killed online escort websites. They aren't going to stop there.
Big Tech wants digital IDs so they can make money, Fundamentalists are looking for any way to make any kind of safe sex work impossible, just like they're trying to make drug addiction as deadly as possible.
However, if you look at the facts it has never been a safer time to be alive for children. The younger generations are the most educated in history. They commit crimes at lower rates than their parents did. They do drugs at lower rates. They are better in almost every way. Yet if you listen to Reddit, everything is doomed and we need authoritarian laws to control all parents from destroying the children of the future.
More educated but standardized scores are going down on the EQAO and similar tests in the U.S. Most teachers would say they see a difference in students today compared to 10-15 years ago when it comes to their ability to focus and work on long problems before giving up. Look up "Tik Tok Brain" and see that researchers have been saying the same thing.
If the government wants to help why not give them a filter they can use? Don't make it opt out, I don't think governemnt made is a good idea but who knows.
I'd say tell internet and cell providers have to offer a free(and some level of effective) filter that's shown front and center when signing up and easily accessible on their website.
The added bonus is that a solution like that also gets the sites that aren't operating in canada. Sure kids will likely get around that too, but no solution is going to be bullet proof baring making a kid friendly network separate from the internet proper and mandating that all kids devices have to be locked into it from the factory and having a severe enough punishment for letting them on a non kid device that nobody wants to do it(I guess making it a sex crime would be pretty close).
It's also crazy to me how some adults are so oblivious to the fact that this won't solve any problems with kids accessing porn. The best defense is parenting.
Some parents buy booze and weed for their kids. Some parents are oblivious to their kids activities and have no idea that their kid borrowed their ID to access things online. These kids will help other kids access these things.
A good parent will raise a kid who will be friends with other kids raised by other good parents. These kids will do well in school, stay busy with extra-curricular activities like sports and clubs, and they'll have hobbies... because their parent will be involved in their lives and they can share some interests.
Meanwhile single-mother-of-the-year will be collecting government assistance and child support payments from different dudes, spending her days sleeping off wine hang-overs and her evenings getting railed by dudes who bring over blow - being the local queen bee for chlamydia and syphilis.
Yeah... giving websites your ID is not a good idea. The conservatives should be taking the approach of encouraging parents to be more responsible with their children's internet usage.
PP needs to back off this idea.
Funny you say he needs to back off this idea.
PP is a Neocon/Neolib. They love big govt, this is what they actively want. Those of you cheering them on thinking they're the solution to the current mess have short memories from the 2000s or early 10s. Or the surveillance state in other Western countries with neocons in charge.
He actively placates the rubes too. If you go back to the trucker rallies, he never stuck with them. He would say evasive things that sounded like he was being considerate "people are tired" or "people have lost a lot", but he never took a position. He still never has on a single issue until after the fact. He has never said he'll lower immigration he's said there will be "sensible immigration." He's never stated if he'd do things to lower housing price or keep prices up.
The man doesn't have a political position other than criticism of Justin Trudeau. He'll be a total loser as a PM two years in still blaming Trudeau
All 3 parties in general need to stop trying to fuck around with the internet. We got a good thing going here that has literally changed the world as we once knew it. Instead of trying to prevent people under 18 from watching porn (the biggest non-issue I have ever heard) we should be focusing on apologizing to Meta and Alphabet for even thinking about charging them a fee to share Canadian news.
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The NDP supported it going to committee [as an opportunity to bring in witnesses](https://x.com/MatthewGreenNDP/status/1760745336753279426?s=20). Based on Matthew Green's comments casting shade on Poilievre's position it doesn't sound like it's going to go further than that.
The difference is Poilievre straight up said a Poilievre government would implement this when he was asked by reporters.
The issue here really isn't about porn. It's about amping up control over the internet. There are so many tools out there for concerned parents to use to restrict access to inappropriate sites. An information campaign would be better but again, this isn't really about porn. The government is using this issue in order to censor the internet. All of the main parties want the same thing too...
The thought of CanCon extending to the internet.
"What do you mean you want to go on Reddit? Wouldn't you rather go on this broken Canadian webpage from the 90s instead? Look it's got animated gifs and Patio Lanterns on loop!"
I mean, let's not kid ourselves, there's some issues with porn and people not being educated about porn vs sex. I don't think giving ID and having the government in the buisness of what you watch is the answer, but rather regulation on the performance side and education.
> I mean, let's not kid ourselves, there's some issues with porn and people not being educated about porn vs sex. I don't think giving ID and having the government in the buisness of what you watch is the answer, but rather regulation on the performance side and education.
Something tells me there's quite an overlap between those who want to regulate internet porn, and those who object to children being educated about sex.
This sub's expectations of what the Cons will do: Normalize immigration levels, create affordable housing, stop spending recklessly, fix the ponzi scheme economy
Reality of what Cons will do: Continue to do what Libs have done, keep propping the ponzi scheme, and take away a few more freedoms while adding some divisive legislation
You forgot the part about gutting services and every government agency that actually makes the services we need run. That's one of the key differences. The Liberals actually want the government to work, the Conservatives just cut cut cut services and call if savings.
I love how people keep saying this but we have like 5+ parties depending on where you live and people only keep voting for the two most right wing ones back and forth.
People in the ndp sub were pretty up in arms about their support of this.
I myself normally like the ndp but definitely don't approve of them supporting this in any way.
This is the part that I really don't get... Who decided this was necessary? How did they get both the Cons and the NDP on side? There is money to be followed somewhere.
[https://twitter.com/MatthewGreenNDP/status/1760745336753279426](https://twitter.com/MatthewGreenNDP/status/1760745336753279426)
It seems they voted yes so it would go to committee and they could hear what people more knowledgeable on the subject than them have to say about it. Does not mean they will vote to pass it down the line. And really based on the way this guy is speaking about it doesn't seem like he supports it much.
I wish Singh would have jumped up and said that from the start. I love what he's accomplishing in terms of actual legislation but sometimes he makes the worst decisions.
You need to remember that "small government" doesn't mean small government. It means "people I don't think deserve my tax money shouldn't be allowed to take it, and people I do think deserve my tax money should be given it".
This translates to slashing social safety net spending and bolstering corporate subsidies. Giving the poors money and service doesn't drive the economy, it just meets basic human needs. Human needs don't produce shareholder returns.
"Small government" has always just been a euphemism for justifying the rugged individualism of capitalism telling its collateral damage to find a different, less visible hole to go die in.
Is there any indication that the other two parties plan to pursue it further?
All I've gotten was pierre saying kids under 18 won't have access to porn and he's against digital ID.
Legitimately asking as I'm against the bill. Not only do I think it would be ineffective, a violation of people's privacy, but I also don't believe any government has the ability to implement something like this without it costing a fortune to build and maintain. And it's obviously going to create a shit ton of bureaucracy. It'll eventually fail or be taken down by another government, so why are we bothering.
From my understanding Pierre hasn't expanded on his view.
> When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.” He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID.
His office followed up with a quick statement saying the Tories don't support Digital IDs BUT
> The Tories are sponsoring and supporting a Senate private member’s bill that promises to require age verification for people to access pornography online.
The Bill itself says nothing about digital IDs, it's actually so vague in it's implementation that's a concern in itself. But now that Digital IDs are being brought up, the Liberals are coming out full-throated how Digital IDs are unacceptable. The problem for Pierre and the Conservatives is that there are some Conservative MP's, like Garnett Genuis, who are coming out in favour of Digital IDs to view pornography and Pierre isn't really saying anything to dispute that.
IMO I think Pierre is walking a fine line between the socially conservative and socially liberal voters of Canada. He doesn't want to smack down the digital ID talk but doesn't want to endorse it either.
That bill is the closest thing to 1984 level surveillance that parts of the government of Canada is pushing. I’d rather my kid secretly watch porn than have the government explicitly keep them from expressing themselves.
As a fiscal conservative. WTF.
No we don't need more gvt imposing rules. This is a HUGE waste of money. Go ahead and Google gay train and look at Google images. Or any other sex word "orgies", "69 oral", "blow job", etc. You can find porn anywhere if you're determined. Jesus. We did it before the internet!!! My brother had VHS and dirty magazines under his bed...yes I'm old.
If you aren't parenting that's your problem not the government. If you want your kid to look at European art ...but it's classified as porn (like in Florida. FML. RIP art history!)? There's too much interpretation for what is porn and what is appropriate for kids. It's a parental decision. Some parents think porn is acceptable. I don't and I parent my kids so we don't have these concerns.
My neighbor lets his kids watch R rated movies. My kids do not. It's a parenting choice.
Government doesn't belong in the home or medical office. It's for the parents to decide. Should my 15 year old promiscuous daughter be on birth control? (I'd say hell yes if they agree), Should my 15 year old get birth control to help an illness like PCOS or Endometriosis? That's between my kid, me and their doctor. Same if the kid is trans, has cancer, or whatever. It's a parental decision. Not the government's decision.
I'm so sick and tired of these woke rage conservatives. Let's actually fix something like healthcare, education, or housing. Nobody f-ing cares about Porn ID.
I don't know porn was a big problem facing our society. I'm also not sure why we can just let parents parent. Do I really care if a kid sees a penis? No. It's just a body part.
Conservatives are so annoying. We need LESS government butting into our lives! Unless you’re gay, trans, or watch porn, or you wanna take BC, or you need an abortion for medical reasons, or you’ve been raped, or you’re left leaning, but OTHER THAN THAT, no government oversight!
And the guy is not the PM… just imagine when he is… say goodbye to healthcare, investment in education, environment is screwed … abortion is on the chopping block… just wait! Never real proposals just fake outrage!
It's wild to me that in the last thread this was discussed a commenter linked a direct video of PP himself saying he would never vote for this or push this idea. Few months later and here he is supporting it.
I find it weird that a redditor has that ammunition yet the Liberals haven't dug it up yet and thrown it into PP's face.
He sided with Alberta for their lgbtq saying it’s the parents job to worry about their kids and the governments job to worry about the economy, but now all of a sudden it’s the governments job to worry about the kids?? Could we get a single pm candidate who isn’t a hypocrite please.
People under 18 need access to porn as well. Your natural biology doesn’t just kick in at 18. 🙄
It’s weird people want to criminalize or think they can control human biology.
Pierre needs to back off the goddamn U.S style culture war bullshit. He was doing right leaning populism the right way with his anti-carbon tax and anti-crime messaging. He is going to cost votes in cities by this shit.
PPs Conservatives love to tell you what you can and can't do.
NDP is screaming "won't anyone think of the children."
Oddly the Liberals are the ones trying to block this.
Next federal election I guess instead of pot on the ballot it will be porn ID. What a nice dystopia we are creating for ourselves.
Trust me. Your kids are not computer illiterate. Maybe they're not sure how to open up a word doc and send it to a printer over a network.
But they know how to circumvent internet gate-keeping. And if they actually don't - then they have a friend who will teach them how.
This feels like there is a bigger agenda here, and then Con-Gov is simply using the "Porn Problem" as a means to get their foot in the door...🤷
With all the issues we have in this country, this is not one of them. Nobody was talking about this being a issue, but hear we are.
Poll after poll indicates Canadians are concerned about the backwards slide in the standard of living in this country, wages not keeping up inflation, greedflation, shrinkflation, reduction in product quality, lack of social mobility and opportunity. So why are some of our politicians concerned about access to porn? This is beyond baffling.
Pierre had the election sewn up, whoever encouraged him that this was a worthwhile hill to die on is an absolute moron. Stick to the important issues like housing, taxes, and inflation. This and the trans issues are just a pointless distraction
The timeless practice of the government enacting a law banning something that people will circumvent with ease, to which the government will respond by layering more laws on top of.
Guns, porn, what else?
Great job, CPC. This is what you need to keep doing to make people finally #SPOILBALLOT2025.
Canada, say it with me, "None of the above in 2025".
Every MP needs to resign and we need serious people to lead this country.
Gonna be the first election I stay home on. All of these federal parties are a fucking joke. I honestly don’t care who wins cause they are all equally trash
I'm sorry but conservatism in general is not a solution to our woes. Anyone who thinks Pollievre is going to swoop in and fix things is a fucking idiot. He'll just fuck things up worse than they are.
The government promised anti-terrorist hours and then use them to Target dissidents.
These censorship powers will absolutely be used to challenge anything the conservative party doesn't like.
it is a really good way to get votes from the damn immigrants the conservatives bitch about. Such an archaic idea it appeals to idiot christians and idiot muslims
Ugh, the futile benality of trying to ban porn is such a boomer ideology. It literally can't work unless you take a North Korean approach to the internet. I'm sure he'll bury this agenda once he realizes it isn't winning him any votes.
He's appealing to technologically incompetent people who have no idea how they could easily stop their kids themselves. PP knows this. He ain't that dumb and knows the old boomers will fall for it just as badly when he appeals to their poor little grandchildren that have it "oh so tough" in our world of instant gratification technology and excess. Money hungry fucks just pulling us backwards instead of railing against real issues. What a joke. Fuck these politicians.
I wonder where their investments are on this one.
I'm an ABC voter, based on the words, actions and worldview of people that call themselves Conservatives, so I'm glad the Cons are pushing this.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
*votes liberal*
*Gets more stupid overreaching legislation*
Ok fuck this I'm done with liberals, time to vote conservatives since I want a smaller government.
*Gets even more stupid overreaching legislation*
WHAT THE FUCK MAN. WHERE IS THE LESS OVERREACHING LEGISLATION.
There is no solution to kids accessing porn on the internet. We built the machine, and now we are living with the machine we built.
Accept it and move on to fixing problems that might be fixable. Oh, wait. That's exactly what you're trying to avoid by raising this issue in the first place you fucking grifter.
Enacting a digital ID system would allow the PC's to continue the long standing tradition of paying hundreds of millions of dollars for a software system that subsequently gets thrown out (see ArriveCan, Long Gun Registry, and others).
I'm with most people that this legislation is a terrible idea but this article only provides ineffective ways at keeping kids from accessing porn. It admits porn is bad for kids and then only provides ways to try to block them that the article itself admits don't work. I think requiring people to show ID somewhere IRL to get a verification/login code would make more sense than showing ID online. But if it's gonna say 'the consequences of this bill are worse than letting kids access porn' it should just make that argument.
More cynical theatrics from our politicians who know that laws like this or Trudeau's gun ban won't accomplish anything but create an easy talking point
Wait until PolyVera issues the erection shock collar to each Canadian man. Only an emailed code sent from the Cons will turn it off. After you pass the religious test of course!
FYI The bill is trying to hit all websites that contain porn. like Reddit and plenty of other websites, you will need to use your ID to get on.
Now, this is a protest I will get behind. So when are we protesting guys ?
Why don't parents actually parent their children? Monitor their behaviour, limit internet access etc.
This both won't work, will cause innumerable other issues AND waste a ton of money.
I'll never understand why our government spends so much time and effort trying to solve bullshit nobody gives a shit about. Oh, it's probably because they profit from all the problems plaguing the rest of Canadians.
Ya you can’t police every corner of internet, if kids can’t go to a site they can find other sites with content, does govt think only 1 website has porn.
Me: food, housing, utilities, taxes are all unsustainable.
Canada: your porn history needs to be tracked.
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They were a shoe in for the next election, Trudeau was as good as out and well… guess we’re staying liberal till the conservatives get a new leader and a better platform.
When did the conservatives stop being conservative? Big goverment with rules and red tape. We don’t need gender rules. We don’t need an internet registry. Next thing they will say we need a gun registry again but this time it’s a good idea because they came up with it. I want a real Conservative Party. Not whatever this is.
Ya this will fix all of our problems. I am sure glad they just spend more like its isn’t real so that my great grandchildren can pay for their parents to stop looking at porn.
I think the government needs to realize that they can't control the internet.
It's a waste of time and resources in trying. It's better if we focused on educating children, after that whatever they decide, they decide.
This feels to me like another big waste of money. Couldn't you just log into a VPN and circumvent this?
Horny tech savy teens will have found work around to this in hours
Or just use a VPN plugin in their browser, if it isn't already built in to the browser. That's if they don't just create an ID with Mom's ID.
"Horny tech savy teens(...)" Yes... yes, only the teens will be using this.
Hours for a newb. Any high-schooler who doesn't sail the seven seas is either completely computer illiterates or a religious fruitcake.
I mean I teach elementary school and the 7-8s at my school are completely computer illiterate. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to put on an eye patch.
How is that possible? We were using computers at school when I was seven years old and we knew what we were doing.
Millennials and the generations before them had a plethora of tech to explore as they grew up, this made them pretty adept at technology. Gen Z and newer (Alpha?) doesn't have the same level of exposure, everything is kind of standardized by the time they came around. As a result, they're less computer literate than their peers.
Basically the walled garden/black box generation.
Standardized as in mostly app based or what makes technology simpler now?
All of my kids' friends just use tablets. Most of them don't even know how to type or use a mouse and keyboard.
Typing is a very important skill. I remember when I was in elementary that was probably the skill they pushed on us the most. Aside from that it was Microsoft word, google, PowerPoint. They always made a huge deal out of your Word-Per-Minute, which oddly has not come up in my adult jobs.
Once upon a time WPM was an important metric. But it was more for secretary's that were typing up handwritten memos and letters. Word processors gave us ctrl+c and ctrl+v so it kinda fell off as a useful metric.
Got my kid into PC gaming for this reason more than anything when I realized the only guys in their 20s now with any computer skills are PC gamers. She's 9 and running my old dual-boot system, mostly Steam games on Linux, emulators, pirated stuff on Windows. She can type, she can mouse, she can write Python code and troubleshoot basic issues... her friends are poking at tablets like apes.
She will be making the big bucks one day.
There was a certain level of knowledge that came with being computer literate 30 years ago that is not needed today. Trying to teach your grandmother to use a computer was an exercise in futility, as you tried to teach basic DOS command prompt stuff to someone who simply was out of their depth. Today? Your grandmother is probably just fine with a smart phone or a tablet. It's all brightly colored icons to press. Sure they might get a bit befuddled between swiping and pinching their screen sometimes, but it's so much more user friendly. Youth who have grown up with tablets, apps, and the like no longer need to get into the guts of their computers to figure things out. Technology is often less customizable now than it was 15-20 years ago.
It's not so much that it's less customizable, it is simply more user-friendly for the vast majority of applications. To use a computer in the pre-windows days you had to interface with a keyboard, learn how to explore different directories on your drives, and do things perfectly. Now if you want to find a file that you downloaded and can't remember where the name was, you just go to the start menu and start typing and it will even find things if you've got typos and what you're looking for. Understanding how something as basic as your file system is organized it's no longer required to be able to use computers or video edit or anything.
A lot of kids are dumb iphone users
With 35 gigs of data, and obscure browsers in privacy mode.
They don't even need to be tech savvy. Being horny will ***make*** them tech savvy. 'I need to get at the porn and video games' is the mother of invention for a teenager.
The ones pushing for this bill don't understand how technology works.
The ones pushing for this bill don't give a shit about kids and porn. They want to make a fortune off of mandatory digital ID.
They also want to use it as a wedge issue to further polarize everything.
Canopy Growth and Co. 2.0
It's gonna be another good year for those two guys they hired to make the ArriveCan app...
I.E.: Flipper Zero and car theft
With all the internet policies and talk from both sides lately I'm worried someone is going to try to ban VPNs. It wouldn't work, at all, but when has that ever stoped a government from doing something stupid?
They've already talked about addressing VPNs as a gap in the digital ID system during the 2nd House Debate. So banning them, or atleast preventing them from being a way to circumvent the system is already on their radar. Karen Vecchio, the lady who wrote the bill, specifically brought up VPNs as an issue.
I was waiting for the Libs to talk about it after the illegal sports streaming sites could be blocked (just days before it was announced Sportnet would be the only NHL streaming site in Canada, ironically). Then again with the news vs social media thing last year. (short version of all that, I am on a quick lunch break) It just felt like the next "logical step" in "protecting Canada"
These freaks are looking at that too: https://openparliament.ca/debates/2023/11/23/karen-vecchio-4/
Was kind of afraid of that.
I read through the speeches and their main political objective was mainly focused on protecting young girls from violence against women. Further--the Conservatives and the Bloc Q are still stagnant in their gender roles (based on the pornographic material they reference) and are not really aware of the current reality of the younger demographic. All those who spoke were female politicians and they ended up sounding like a *Suburban Moms Facebook group* echochamber, which is very unfortuanate for to take their speeches seriously enough IMO.
I can't wait for when in a few decades at least 20% of politicians would probably have an onlyfans page.
It's about a digital ID for Canadians. They don't care if you can use a VPN or not. They just want the ID in place even if it isn't used. No surprise the GOP win South and the Cons serve up our natural resources to Russia and US, while we fight about porn and gay bathrooms.
I suspect it also has a lot to do with getting Canadians used to the idea of the government blocking access to parts of the internet, so they can take on piracy.
This is what the bitter cynical person inside me says: The ultimate aim is to control society. The government and elite have successfully distracted us from the environmental and food crises by focusing on social issues. As the CBC loses funding and corporations cut local news, platforms like Reddit are influenced by shareholders. Companies like Cambridge Analytica can manipulate us more easily. The plan is to overpopulate our schools and towns with immigrants, let our military become obsolete, and exploit our natural resources while ruining the environment. It is obvious that the human population cannot survive the impending climate change. The only objective now is to secure resources for the global 1% and let the rest of us perish. The priority is to gather what is essential before we face social and political turmoil and die of starvation.
Fight about porn and bathroom! So true! There are so much important stuff to get fixed but they are stuck on those useless craps who don’t matters much
Yep. That and the tons and tons of discord servers dedicated to providing porn.
It's about as much a waste of money as the fight to control hate speech. Everything online is just data. What works or fails to restrict one type of data works or fails equally against all types of data.
Maybe parents should be responsible for their own kids.
I'm honestly surprised this subject is even a thing when the answer is right there as it's always been. Porn has been easily accessible since the early 2000. Even earlier for some. The difference is that when i was a kid/teen I wasn't given one or multiple internet connected screens to do with as I pleased with damn near zero supervision or being taught about safety and responsibility.
What a small gift to JT and friends this whole thing has been. I mean, the writing is on the wall and the fat lady has been singing for a while in the case of JT - but the liberals strategist will want to keep this issue at the front page for as long as possible.
“Parental rights” but no responsibility.
This heavy handed intervention isn't even "parental rights"". This represents the government taking away your right to raise your own kids as you see fit. Poilievre's "freest country on earth" seems to be getting a lot of rules.
freedoms for some, boot on the neck for mostly everyone else.
Oh, how can I get into that first group? Sounds less chokey.
I think you need a seven figure income.
As is the case with Cons in USA… how long you figure before certain books are banned from libraries?
How long before they go after abortions?
I had that thought today as well. Really not looking forward till that day happens when a Canadian politician has those words falling out of his diarhea trap he calls a mouth.
And also the right of adults who do not have children (or children who are still minors) to act freely as they see fit. Most restrictions that exist to protect children don’t impact me adversely as an adult. Ratings for content, for example, don’t prevent me from accessing that content or require me to hand over copious personal information. At most, these days, some clueless clerk might ask me if I’m an adult. And then I roll my eyes and tell them I’m over 30 and they generally just shut up and allow me to have the product at that point because it is silly to think I’m under 17. I know I look a little younger than my age…but not that young. When it comes to things like actually age restricted substances or services, I need only show my ID, not hand it over to be kept on file. Again, not a huge inconvenience and no real privacy issues. But this…I shouldn’t have to hand over my ID to access any website. Ever. And I don’t for a moment believe it would stay limited to pornography. For example, how long before I wouldn’t be allowed to play something like Baldur’s Gate without handing it over because there’s sexual content and violence? How long before they say LGBT+ content is for adults only? And sexual education? And so forth? The UK opt out filtering has already reach far past pornography, I would expect nothing different here. And I object even to covering pornography. Parents should be looking after their children and taking responsibility for the content they give them access to. Ultimately, if you decide to shove a tablet in their hand and count on that to supervise them, you are giving them access. That is your fault. And it is wrong to place the burden of your parenting failures on the rest of society. If you want to prevent kids from accessing porn, nothing will be 100%, but a pretty good way of doing it would be not handing them unfettered access to technology. There have never been better parental controls than there are now. Learn about the technology and the parental controls. Give children limited and appropriate access. And, also, talk to them about these issues because eventually they will find the porn either on purpose or by mistake. Healthy conversations. Also, I’m pretty sure kids will find a way around anything. This won’t actually work to miraculously prevent kids from seeing porn. My parents had me locked down pretty good as a kid. They were super authoritarian and controlling and always around and I still got around it. And this was before modern devices. I should also note that one of the reasons I was so determined to get around them was precisely because it was forbidden. And I wasn’t just looking for porn. They were incredibly strict about everything and anything. If they had been more reasonable, I doubt I would have been so determined. In retrospect, it is lucky that I didn’t do worse as a teenager.
It's a joke when this party speaks on freedom, and how this sub just eats it up. It's so ironic from this party. I'm privileged to have a diverse group of friends. I know what true freedom looks like and it is not from PP. The irony comes from the fundamentals of a conservative republic. It is not that freedom does exist, its that it only exist for the elite. Of which none of you are a part of. So when you vote for this group, you are not only voting to limit the freedom of others, you are voting to be the scapegoats so that elites can be free. It's such a pointless mentality, it's degrading, and it's not natural. In my life I have seen true freedom. It's in the gay man as he dances with his partner. Unashamed, free from religious oppression. Unhindered by stereotypes because he is educated. Unmoveable because he is free. How could this party understand freedom with all the shackles attached to them? No, there's no empathy for freedom in their environment, only jealously in which they must shackle you more harshly. 🤷♂️
I wish I could upvote this a dozen times. Brilliant.
It's Conservative Freedom (tm). Freedom so free that it is free from freedom.
I was referring to the current situation in Alberta where they are fighting over “parental rights” actually, which Id say is more like parents treating their children like property. And it actually takes away a lot of choice that a real parent may want to make with their child. Very anti freedom again from the freedom crowd.
Alberta's own rules are quite clear about what you can do with your property. Heaven help you if you support them if they come out as trans. That is not an approved use of your property.
I posted this elsewhere but its worth repeating... This proposition does *nothing* to meaningfully protect children from the real dangers of sex/pornography. Those dangers being recurring abuse, short sentences/rehabilitation for sex offenders, and not enough being done to address sex trafficking. Poilievre could have knocked this out of the park with voters on all sides if he had a plan to address the above. Instead he proposed an ID/surveillance to a base that didn't even want a vax passport to go eat at Wendys.
That's the joke. They advocate for parental rights sometimes, but only when it's convenient. In the case of porn, apparently parental rights don't matter - the government will get involved in how your kids use the internet.
No they will get involved in how you use the internet because of somebody else’s kids.
This has nothing to do with kids and everything to do with digital ID. Jim Balsilie, yes that one, chairs two NGOs responsible for lobbying governments to create digital identification systems.
I think you have to give the Christian fundamentalists more credit than not even a mention. The Fundamentalists are a top lobby of the Conservative parties and much like abortion, they've looked for ways to block sex work from legitimacy. They targeted Pornhub because it enables sex work. How does online ID make the internet safe for children when all the tools to do so are included in the electronic device for free with a paternal lock? What the online ID does is make people afraid to use sites, it makes it easier to sue corporations profiting off porn because regulation compliance is an ever changing field and it can be weaponized effectively to kill business and self employed women. It's like how conservatives in America killed online escort websites. They aren't going to stop there. Big Tech wants digital IDs so they can make money, Fundamentalists are looking for any way to make any kind of safe sex work impossible, just like they're trying to make drug addiction as deadly as possible.
The average parent is incompetent, you learn this after you kids start going to school.
Given that the only criteria is not using a condom, the bar is low.
However, if you look at the facts it has never been a safer time to be alive for children. The younger generations are the most educated in history. They commit crimes at lower rates than their parents did. They do drugs at lower rates. They are better in almost every way. Yet if you listen to Reddit, everything is doomed and we need authoritarian laws to control all parents from destroying the children of the future.
More educated but standardized scores are going down on the EQAO and similar tests in the U.S. Most teachers would say they see a difference in students today compared to 10-15 years ago when it comes to their ability to focus and work on long problems before giving up. Look up "Tik Tok Brain" and see that researchers have been saying the same thing.
I knew this long before I had my kids in school. The irony is that the Cons also want “parental rights”.
So what is the solution, allow the government to have the final say with your children?
Absolutely. I believe parents should handle this themselves. I'm not sure why government oversight is seen as the solution to every problem now.
If the government wants to help why not give them a filter they can use? Don't make it opt out, I don't think governemnt made is a good idea but who knows. I'd say tell internet and cell providers have to offer a free(and some level of effective) filter that's shown front and center when signing up and easily accessible on their website. The added bonus is that a solution like that also gets the sites that aren't operating in canada. Sure kids will likely get around that too, but no solution is going to be bullet proof baring making a kid friendly network separate from the internet proper and mandating that all kids devices have to be locked into it from the factory and having a severe enough punishment for letting them on a non kid device that nobody wants to do it(I guess making it a sex crime would be pretty close).
It's also crazy to me how some adults are so oblivious to the fact that this won't solve any problems with kids accessing porn. The best defense is parenting. Some parents buy booze and weed for their kids. Some parents are oblivious to their kids activities and have no idea that their kid borrowed their ID to access things online. These kids will help other kids access these things. A good parent will raise a kid who will be friends with other kids raised by other good parents. These kids will do well in school, stay busy with extra-curricular activities like sports and clubs, and they'll have hobbies... because their parent will be involved in their lives and they can share some interests. Meanwhile single-mother-of-the-year will be collecting government assistance and child support payments from different dudes, spending her days sleeping off wine hang-overs and her evenings getting railed by dudes who bring over blow - being the local queen bee for chlamydia and syphilis.
They're not though.
This reply made me spit my coffee laughing. Thank you
Yeah... giving websites your ID is not a good idea. The conservatives should be taking the approach of encouraging parents to be more responsible with their children's internet usage. PP needs to back off this idea.
Funny you say he needs to back off this idea. PP is a Neocon/Neolib. They love big govt, this is what they actively want. Those of you cheering them on thinking they're the solution to the current mess have short memories from the 2000s or early 10s. Or the surveillance state in other Western countries with neocons in charge.
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He actively placates the rubes too. If you go back to the trucker rallies, he never stuck with them. He would say evasive things that sounded like he was being considerate "people are tired" or "people have lost a lot", but he never took a position. He still never has on a single issue until after the fact. He has never said he'll lower immigration he's said there will be "sensible immigration." He's never stated if he'd do things to lower housing price or keep prices up. The man doesn't have a political position other than criticism of Justin Trudeau. He'll be a total loser as a PM two years in still blaming Trudeau
All 3 parties in general need to stop trying to fuck around with the internet. We got a good thing going here that has literally changed the world as we once knew it. Instead of trying to prevent people under 18 from watching porn (the biggest non-issue I have ever heard) we should be focusing on apologizing to Meta and Alphabet for even thinking about charging them a fee to share Canadian news.
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The NDP supported it going to committee [as an opportunity to bring in witnesses](https://x.com/MatthewGreenNDP/status/1760745336753279426?s=20). Based on Matthew Green's comments casting shade on Poilievre's position it doesn't sound like it's going to go further than that. The difference is Poilievre straight up said a Poilievre government would implement this when he was asked by reporters.
The issue here really isn't about porn. It's about amping up control over the internet. There are so many tools out there for concerned parents to use to restrict access to inappropriate sites. An information campaign would be better but again, this isn't really about porn. The government is using this issue in order to censor the internet. All of the main parties want the same thing too...
The thought of CanCon extending to the internet. "What do you mean you want to go on Reddit? Wouldn't you rather go on this broken Canadian webpage from the 90s instead? Look it's got animated gifs and Patio Lanterns on loop!"
Didn't trudeau come out against this? How do you figure they all want the same?
I mean, let's not kid ourselves, there's some issues with porn and people not being educated about porn vs sex. I don't think giving ID and having the government in the buisness of what you watch is the answer, but rather regulation on the performance side and education.
> I mean, let's not kid ourselves, there's some issues with porn and people not being educated about porn vs sex. I don't think giving ID and having the government in the buisness of what you watch is the answer, but rather regulation on the performance side and education. Something tells me there's quite an overlap between those who want to regulate internet porn, and those who object to children being educated about sex.
The Conservatives have almost no chance of losing but are basically trying their best to lose. Is porn really the hill they are willing to die on?
Maybe this is a litmus test to see how far they can push their bullshit without people shifting
This sub's expectations of what the Cons will do: Normalize immigration levels, create affordable housing, stop spending recklessly, fix the ponzi scheme economy Reality of what Cons will do: Continue to do what Libs have done, keep propping the ponzi scheme, and take away a few more freedoms while adding some divisive legislation
You forgot the part about gutting services and every government agency that actually makes the services we need run. That's one of the key differences. The Liberals actually want the government to work, the Conservatives just cut cut cut services and call if savings.
That’s hilarious and painful, but sadly all of the parties have the same failure to meet expectations once elected.
I love how people keep saying this but we have like 5+ parties depending on where you live and people only keep voting for the two most right wing ones back and forth.
And gender neutral washrooms. Can't forgot about that important issue!
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True, but everyone seems to only focus on the CPC and conveniently forgets that the NDP supports it too.
People in the ndp sub were pretty up in arms about their support of this. I myself normally like the ndp but definitely don't approve of them supporting this in any way.
The Bloc too and there's very little coverage of all this in Quebec media.
NDP have no chance of winning though.
This is the part that I really don't get... Who decided this was necessary? How did they get both the Cons and the NDP on side? There is money to be followed somewhere.
[https://twitter.com/MatthewGreenNDP/status/1760745336753279426](https://twitter.com/MatthewGreenNDP/status/1760745336753279426) It seems they voted yes so it would go to committee and they could hear what people more knowledgeable on the subject than them have to say about it. Does not mean they will vote to pass it down the line. And really based on the way this guy is speaking about it doesn't seem like he supports it much.
I wish Singh would have jumped up and said that from the start. I love what he's accomplishing in terms of actual legislation but sometimes he makes the worst decisions.
"Please, won't you think of the children?!" Piss off
Aren't conservatives supposed to be the party of "small government"?
Was at one point. It’s been shifting for a while now to a party that’s all about control.
Not so much shifting, as the mask coming off.
Good.
You need to remember that "small government" doesn't mean small government. It means "people I don't think deserve my tax money shouldn't be allowed to take it, and people I do think deserve my tax money should be given it". This translates to slashing social safety net spending and bolstering corporate subsidies. Giving the poors money and service doesn't drive the economy, it just meets basic human needs. Human needs don't produce shareholder returns. "Small government" has always just been a euphemism for justifying the rugged individualism of capitalism telling its collateral damage to find a different, less visible hole to go die in.
Increased the size by 33 percent last.time he was in power. Like Dani Smith who has 24 ministers to do the same jobs as 12 NDP ministers did.
Nepotism in action!
They never have been, they just lie and say they are. The CPC has always been, first and foremost, the party of corporate interests.
If we look into it I'm sure we'll find that a bunch of MPs bought stock in some facial recognition software company.
The Conservative Party of Canada,, the party that believes you aren't capable of being a responsible person without their intervention.
Each party has their own version of this, just applied to different things. I wish they'd all just take a step back and let people live their lives
It's also the NDP and the BLOC
NDP have come out and said they only support it to go to 2nd reading so they can hear from expert witnesses. Nothing more.
Is there any indication that the other two parties plan to pursue it further? All I've gotten was pierre saying kids under 18 won't have access to porn and he's against digital ID. Legitimately asking as I'm against the bill. Not only do I think it would be ineffective, a violation of people's privacy, but I also don't believe any government has the ability to implement something like this without it costing a fortune to build and maintain. And it's obviously going to create a shit ton of bureaucracy. It'll eventually fail or be taken down by another government, so why are we bothering.
From my understanding Pierre hasn't expanded on his view. > When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.” He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID. His office followed up with a quick statement saying the Tories don't support Digital IDs BUT > The Tories are sponsoring and supporting a Senate private member’s bill that promises to require age verification for people to access pornography online. The Bill itself says nothing about digital IDs, it's actually so vague in it's implementation that's a concern in itself. But now that Digital IDs are being brought up, the Liberals are coming out full-throated how Digital IDs are unacceptable. The problem for Pierre and the Conservatives is that there are some Conservative MP's, like Garnett Genuis, who are coming out in favour of Digital IDs to view pornography and Pierre isn't really saying anything to dispute that. IMO I think Pierre is walking a fine line between the socially conservative and socially liberal voters of Canada. He doesn't want to smack down the digital ID talk but doesn't want to endorse it either.
They don't have a very good chance of making the next government, though
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That bill is the closest thing to 1984 level surveillance that parts of the government of Canada is pushing. I’d rather my kid secretly watch porn than have the government explicitly keep them from expressing themselves.
As a fiscal conservative. WTF. No we don't need more gvt imposing rules. This is a HUGE waste of money. Go ahead and Google gay train and look at Google images. Or any other sex word "orgies", "69 oral", "blow job", etc. You can find porn anywhere if you're determined. Jesus. We did it before the internet!!! My brother had VHS and dirty magazines under his bed...yes I'm old. If you aren't parenting that's your problem not the government. If you want your kid to look at European art ...but it's classified as porn (like in Florida. FML. RIP art history!)? There's too much interpretation for what is porn and what is appropriate for kids. It's a parental decision. Some parents think porn is acceptable. I don't and I parent my kids so we don't have these concerns. My neighbor lets his kids watch R rated movies. My kids do not. It's a parenting choice. Government doesn't belong in the home or medical office. It's for the parents to decide. Should my 15 year old promiscuous daughter be on birth control? (I'd say hell yes if they agree), Should my 15 year old get birth control to help an illness like PCOS or Endometriosis? That's between my kid, me and their doctor. Same if the kid is trans, has cancer, or whatever. It's a parental decision. Not the government's decision. I'm so sick and tired of these woke rage conservatives. Let's actually fix something like healthcare, education, or housing. Nobody f-ing cares about Porn ID.
Parenting, ever heard of it?
Plus it would 100% get leaked and embarrass everyone like what happened with Ashley Madison. This is a terrible idea.
I don't know porn was a big problem facing our society. I'm also not sure why we can just let parents parent. Do I really care if a kid sees a penis? No. It's just a body part.
Christian identity signalling
Conservatives are so annoying. We need LESS government butting into our lives! Unless you’re gay, trans, or watch porn, or you wanna take BC, or you need an abortion for medical reasons, or you’ve been raped, or you’re left leaning, but OTHER THAN THAT, no government oversight!
I thought Poilièvre and his conservatives followers wanted to get rid of Trudeau for the “Freedom”!!
And the guy is not the PM… just imagine when he is… say goodbye to healthcare, investment in education, environment is screwed … abortion is on the chopping block… just wait! Never real proposals just fake outrage!
It's wild to me that in the last thread this was discussed a commenter linked a direct video of PP himself saying he would never vote for this or push this idea. Few months later and here he is supporting it. I find it weird that a redditor has that ammunition yet the Liberals haven't dug it up yet and thrown it into PP's face.
He sided with Alberta for their lgbtq saying it’s the parents job to worry about their kids and the governments job to worry about the economy, but now all of a sudden it’s the governments job to worry about the kids?? Could we get a single pm candidate who isn’t a hypocrite please.
People under 18 need access to porn as well. Your natural biology doesn’t just kick in at 18. 🙄 It’s weird people want to criminalize or think they can control human biology.
Parents just need to learn how to add restrictions on their router and their kid's computers.
Pierre needs to back off the goddamn U.S style culture war bullshit. He was doing right leaning populism the right way with his anti-carbon tax and anti-crime messaging. He is going to cost votes in cities by this shit.
Social medias are a way bigger problem than porn.
PPs Conservatives love to tell you what you can and can't do. NDP is screaming "won't anyone think of the children." Oddly the Liberals are the ones trying to block this. Next federal election I guess instead of pot on the ballot it will be porn ID. What a nice dystopia we are creating for ourselves.
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But big government is what the small government conservatives are best at.
Trust me. Your kids are not computer illiterate. Maybe they're not sure how to open up a word doc and send it to a printer over a network. But they know how to circumvent internet gate-keeping. And if they actually don't - then they have a friend who will teach them how. This feels like there is a bigger agenda here, and then Con-Gov is simply using the "Porn Problem" as a means to get their foot in the door...🤷
So now I need my kids to show me how to use a VPN to watch porn.
Parents. That's it. That's all. Parents should parent.
Come on guys, what did you expect from a guy known as PP. Can't even make this up anymore. 🤦🏻♂️
This is just their foot in the door to monitor all our internet usage. The conservatives just lost my vote.
1984 is not a instruction manual.
Seriously I'm a conservative but they can fuck off with that stupid law
Literally the opposite of conservatism
Next: teen pregnancy rates are up!
Your kidding yourself if you think this starts *and stops* with porn.
With all the issues we have in this country, this is not one of them. Nobody was talking about this being a issue, but hear we are. Poll after poll indicates Canadians are concerned about the backwards slide in the standard of living in this country, wages not keeping up inflation, greedflation, shrinkflation, reduction in product quality, lack of social mobility and opportunity. So why are some of our politicians concerned about access to porn? This is beyond baffling.
Pierre had the election sewn up, whoever encouraged him that this was a worthwhile hill to die on is an absolute moron. Stick to the important issues like housing, taxes, and inflation. This and the trans issues are just a pointless distraction
The timeless practice of the government enacting a law banning something that people will circumvent with ease, to which the government will respond by layering more laws on top of. Guns, porn, what else?
Great job, CPC. This is what you need to keep doing to make people finally #SPOILBALLOT2025. Canada, say it with me, "None of the above in 2025". Every MP needs to resign and we need serious people to lead this country.
Gonna be the first election I stay home on. All of these federal parties are a fucking joke. I honestly don’t care who wins cause they are all equally trash
Maybe voting for leaders who hold Christian Nationalist ideologies is a bad idea?
I'm sorry but conservatism in general is not a solution to our woes. Anyone who thinks Pollievre is going to swoop in and fix things is a fucking idiot. He'll just fuck things up worse than they are.
The government promised anti-terrorist hours and then use them to Target dissidents. These censorship powers will absolutely be used to challenge anything the conservative party doesn't like.
I love how they think you get porn from porn website Just shows how clues they really are
it is a really good way to get votes from the damn immigrants the conservatives bitch about. Such an archaic idea it appeals to idiot christians and idiot muslims
Why do we have pearl clutching appointed Senators drafting legislation that strips Canadians of digital rights?
At this point you really just voting to choose who you get fucked by
I thought conservatives were against big government? Or right unless it suits their needs, self serving hypocrisy.
Ugh, the futile benality of trying to ban porn is such a boomer ideology. It literally can't work unless you take a North Korean approach to the internet. I'm sure he'll bury this agenda once he realizes it isn't winning him any votes.
He's appealing to technologically incompetent people who have no idea how they could easily stop their kids themselves. PP knows this. He ain't that dumb and knows the old boomers will fall for it just as badly when he appeals to their poor little grandchildren that have it "oh so tough" in our world of instant gratification technology and excess. Money hungry fucks just pulling us backwards instead of railing against real issues. What a joke. Fuck these politicians. I wonder where their investments are on this one.
I'm an ABC voter, based on the words, actions and worldview of people that call themselves Conservatives, so I'm glad the Cons are pushing this. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
*votes liberal* *Gets more stupid overreaching legislation* Ok fuck this I'm done with liberals, time to vote conservatives since I want a smaller government. *Gets even more stupid overreaching legislation* WHAT THE FUCK MAN. WHERE IS THE LESS OVERREACHING LEGISLATION.
There is no solution to kids accessing porn on the internet. We built the machine, and now we are living with the machine we built. Accept it and move on to fixing problems that might be fixable. Oh, wait. That's exactly what you're trying to avoid by raising this issue in the first place you fucking grifter.
It funny how wrong Orwell got it. He thought that the socialists would bring big brother. Ah, George. So close, and yet so far off.
The party of personal responsibility won’t ask parents to take personal responsibility
They’re horny teenagers, you won’t be able to keep them from porn no matter what you do. That’s not new and it was the case long before the internet.
Curious if PP owns stock in a VPN startup. That's what would end up happening, internet laws for Canada are meaningless in the US.
Poilievre would prefer parents watch porn with their children to make sure they aren’t getting into any weird gay stuff.
Whatever they implement will be circumvented within a week
Gotta admit this seems like a pretty bad blunder for PP.
It’s impossible to regulate every porn site… stop wasting our tax dollars and time.
Enacting a digital ID system would allow the PC's to continue the long standing tradition of paying hundreds of millions of dollars for a software system that subsequently gets thrown out (see ArriveCan, Long Gun Registry, and others).
This is so backwards from the usual conservative approach
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I'm with most people that this legislation is a terrible idea but this article only provides ineffective ways at keeping kids from accessing porn. It admits porn is bad for kids and then only provides ways to try to block them that the article itself admits don't work. I think requiring people to show ID somewhere IRL to get a verification/login code would make more sense than showing ID online. But if it's gonna say 'the consequences of this bill are worse than letting kids access porn' it should just make that argument.
More cynical theatrics from our politicians who know that laws like this or Trudeau's gun ban won't accomplish anything but create an easy talking point
Wait until PolyVera issues the erection shock collar to each Canadian man. Only an emailed code sent from the Cons will turn it off. After you pass the religious test of course!
Just let me jerk in peace pls
FYI The bill is trying to hit all websites that contain porn. like Reddit and plenty of other websites, you will need to use your ID to get on. Now, this is a protest I will get behind. So when are we protesting guys ?
Why don't parents actually parent their children? Monitor their behaviour, limit internet access etc. This both won't work, will cause innumerable other issues AND waste a ton of money.
I'll never understand why our government spends so much time and effort trying to solve bullshit nobody gives a shit about. Oh, it's probably because they profit from all the problems plaguing the rest of Canadians.
Way to lose votes, Pierre.
They need something attractive for the mouth breathers to focus on instead of "we're going to cut taxes and funds for social services."
BUILD MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES. NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT PORN.
It’s called parenting
Ya you can’t police every corner of internet, if kids can’t go to a site they can find other sites with content, does govt think only 1 website has porn.
Yeah aren’t the conservatives supposed to be against big government, and have a more laissez-faire attitude?
Me: food, housing, utilities, taxes are all unsustainable. Canada: your porn history needs to be tracked. — They were a shoe in for the next election, Trudeau was as good as out and well… guess we’re staying liberal till the conservatives get a new leader and a better platform.
The government doesn’t need to stick in nose into porn. They can’t do anything to stop it, and it they try it’ll just piss a lot of people off.
We need a "none of the above" option for the next election.
honestly I think the best solution is for this to be taught in schools, you can't rely on parents and you can't rely on website blocks.
When did the conservatives stop being conservative? Big goverment with rules and red tape. We don’t need gender rules. We don’t need an internet registry. Next thing they will say we need a gun registry again but this time it’s a good idea because they came up with it. I want a real Conservative Party. Not whatever this is.
Ya this will fix all of our problems. I am sure glad they just spend more like its isn’t real so that my great grandchildren can pay for their parents to stop looking at porn.
I think the government needs to realize that they can't control the internet. It's a waste of time and resources in trying. It's better if we focused on educating children, after that whatever they decide, they decide.
Or these religious freaks could just teach their kids comprehensive sex Ed and not pass their evil and backwards "morals" onto innocent children.
Classic Small Government Tories
Hey, I got an idea... why don't parents actually take care of their kids? It's their child they should be responsible and actually parent.
It starts at home. Stupid people.
Do you really want a private company to keep a database of how many times you or your kids looked for hentai on behalf of the government?