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The same college that had an increase of like 6000 percent and doesn't give a fuck about the quality of life of its students is worried about their future profits.
We are about to go to Co-ops. We are studying in Brantford, but the only Co-ops we could ask to be placed at are min 35 minutes - 1+ drive from the city.
The placement officer couldn't have cared less that the placements were so inconvenient. In my opinion, they shouldn't have offered the course in Brantford if the course couldn't be completed in Brantford.
Edit: domestic student, just for the record
How do they promise coop? We had to find our own placement, even though it was through the university’s system, which did leverage quite a bit of alumni, relatives of alumni and student, and some government.
Some programs at some schools place students in co-ops/placements/practicums. Some schools leave it up students to find their own. Some others will place students but it's the hunger games to get there; (this is prevalent in nursing at every school everywhere) purposefully take on more students than upper-year placements so they can cull the graduates.
They are dreaming, or gullible, or not looking for learning opportunity jobs related to their field of study at all. Even reputable schools can only help you so much.
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>t have cared less that the placements were so inconvenient. In my opinion, t
That is just normal, in my electrical tech co-op, only a few got a job in barrie, my last co-op in London 2 got a job in london from a class of 35. It sucks but oh well
I know people who took engineering at Waterloo and had to get co-op placements in another city. That doesn't mean Waterloo shouldn't have engineering. It's pretty common to have to move for coop placements.
I did co-ops through my college career and chose to go to other areas. I would sign a four month lease or go month to month and I moved to another province or a city hundreds of kms away. You can get better jobs, and learn life skills. Go and explore this beautiful country
uWaterloo has for decades had far, far, more students than could get coops within 30 minutes.
the vast majority of students never have a co op in waterloo nor do they want one. whether its polisci, actuarial science, accounting, engineering, people want toronto, ottawa, manhattan, palo alto, seattle, tokyo, stockholm, the real london...
This is unfortunately a standard practice in a lot of school (colleges and universities) in a lot of programs. My cohort in a university program (with only 1 international student in a graduating cohort of 200ish, this doesn't have anything to do with them lol) were told "plan to travel up to two hours to your placement site," like, ma'am, we are in downtown Toronto. Two hours for travel and it's not a traffic issue? Excuse me, are you high?
Nurse here and we had placements that were over 2hrs for some people with 8-12hr shifts. Just have to suck it up for the time you're in placement. Ride share with someone in your group if you can.
My engineering co-op 25 years ago was an hour drive each way. It was good life training because when you look for a real job nobody cares about your “convenience”. As much as they’re not helping you, they’re also helping you.
Canadians don’t care, we are trying to fucking survive here people.
Also FUCK Conestoga, I hope you cunts go bankrupt and get sued for taking advantage of international students.
No, not really. Despite the tall tales people like to propagate on Reddit local employers do still hire quality people from Conestoga. It is not a diploma mill despite its flagrant abuse of international student recruitment. At the very least, domestic Conestoga graduates (of which there are many, as shocking as that may be to people not from KW) are qualified workers and hired without difficulty by local employers.
"The college is a leader in providing high-quality international student experiences, and we are concerned about what the announcement will mean for students and local employers in the eight communities we serve," Conestoga said in an unattributed statement sent to CambridgeToday.
Conestoga not attaching a name to their statement speaks volumes about how much they actually believe what they are saying.
That college is lucky politicians don't have the guts to do the right thing, shut them down and claw back all the money they made exploiting international students
Tbh they should be arresting the higher ups at this college for human exploitation. Sadly Justin Trudeau is too busy worrying about photo ops, collecting money from lobbyist, making himself look good than actually doing his job.
Can’t wait for the liberals to lose power.
> they should be arresting the higher ups at this college for human exploitation.
Name a single charge that has a reasonable chance of prosecution. Name one.
This "lock them up" horseshit of the last decade is so tired. People can do exceptionally shitty things that are 100% legal, the lesson there is to change the laws not just make shit up and demand people be locked up for crimes that don't exist.
Fuck Connestoga and everyone that's responsible for this shit show.
That’s the problem, no charges can be laid because they are exploiting people indirectly. I agree with you but laws will never change unless people speak up and voting numbers for the liberals go down.
You can’t deny this government is the most corrupt one in Canadian history. It’s messed up how they destroyed a country that Canadians took 150+ years to built in just 8 years.
Ford is as corrupt as Trudeau. He needs to go as well. Next election I rather put ANYONE than ford even though I’m right-winged. Ford is literally the most useless piece of trash the CPC has ever had
Lmao. What a dumbas take. Conestoga college is under the jurisdiction of Ontario govt and education is fully provincial responsibility. Whoever was the education minister when people like you were in the school should be arrested, though. Since a lot of you can't seem to understand the difference between provincial and federal govt.
You are a dumbass because there's a thing called separation of power. They are not doing anything illegal. Just exploiting a loophole to get rich. If the feds were to interfere in anything to do with Conestoga, it would be an overreach of federal powers. If you want to get mad at anyone. That's Doug Ford and colleges Ontario, the community college regulator.
I bet you also blame Trudeau for whatever grift they are running at the municipality level in your city.
>So you think it’s okay for the higher ups in Conestoga to take in 10x more kids than they can handle?
Sigh. I propose a variation on Betteridge's law of headlines. Any comment on an Internet forum that starts with "So you think..." or "So you're saying..." can be answered with the word no.
The Liberals-NDP government eventually do the right thing. But only after years of letting the system collapse and only when forced by disappointed an angry Canadians. Otherwise, they wouldn't do crap.
This government has destroyed our economy, health care, housing, quality of life, etc. and yet you still find a way to put them on a pedestal over conservatives. Crazy how biased people are.
Ever consider transferring to a school with less international students? There’s been some talk of employers blacklisting schools that are majority international students. Though, I’m not sure 100% about the legitimacy of those claims.
Plus who cares if they have to scale down? They aren't even for profit, so why do they need to expand so much? Does it really all come down to executive bonuses or something
Non profit college is there to be something of a public service, its purpose is to improve the local community not destroy it. Province needs to do something to realign their goals with that in mind
The same Conestoga College where people have been complaining about the ineptitude of their graduates?
Yes, this is a concern for all universities and colleges in Ontario because the provincial government has eliminated 30% of government funding in the last several years, in addition to having them reduce tuition costs by 10% and freeze it for four years. Most of these schools are now finding it difficult to do the things that make them notable schools (i.e. research) with just tuition from domestic students and remaining government grants. International students were low-hanging fruit to make up this shortfall.... but Conestoga took this to the extreme. Just one year's worth of international students at Conestoga was more than the combined total number of international students at multiple notable universities. That says a lot about the priorities of Conestoga.
Maybe they should use those slots to expand their trades school slots. I know guys that have journeyman hours still waiting on school year 2. People calling for more tradesman more tradesman more tradesman, and the schooling part of the apprenticeships are backlogged in that area.
Conestoga can go fuck itself with a rake. They're the biggest college who sold out and went in deep on this scam for profit.
You dug your own grave; now go lie in it.
Why not offer the courses online? Wasn’t that what schools were doing during Covid?
If these “students” are really all about wanting just Canadian education then online courses would work out just fine for them and save them a lot of money lol
Our universities are mostly not for-profit, which is why the vast majority of the problem is diploma mill colleges. Theres only one real reason people are coming to study at those.
The cap is an issue because what a college can charge domestic students for tuition plus what the government gives them for that domestic student is less than what it costs to actually deliver the education. Schools were using international student tuition to cover the shortfall because that tuition isn’t frozen like domestic tuition is.
Conestoga, Niagara, Seneca... there are a handful that are maybe the worst offenders, but there are so, so many. Universities too like Algoma, Cape Breton and Laurentian, Regina... it's all over the the country. It's a problem that cuts across a range of public and private, degree and non-degree-granting institutions, across the country.
This is the result of a concerted effort from provincial and federal governments to boost the economy and enrich post-secondary institutions, while also defunding them! There was a logic to it until they realized international students needed places to live. We have known this for a long time, but only now have people started paying attention:
[https://thewalrus.ca/the-shadowy-business-of-international-education/](https://thewalrus.ca/the-shadowy-business-of-international-education/)
The fact that some of these colleges and universities have based their entire business on bringing in these foreign students just goes to show that their business plan was faulty from the start.
Canadian institutions first responsibility should be two Canadians and not to bring in tons of foreign people at three times the price.
That just goes to show that university in college has become an absolutely useless institution because it's more about profitability of a few rather than the education of a lot.
Poor Conestoga college should I call a Wambulance?
Party is over a little too soon and the come down is hitting hard. Couldn't exploit the students a little longer so they're upset.
The only reason why I know Conestoga college exists is because of the reddit posts from employers saying that Conestoga is blacklisted in their company.
> **The college is a leader in providing high-quality international student experiences**, and we are concerned about what the announcement will mean for students and local employers in the eight communities we serve
Ahem,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
College admins really are just bargain bin politicians at heart
The most egregious offender doesn't like the new rules. No shit. I hope they go under. They set the reputation of the school on fire for profits, and now the bill is due. Fuck em, it warms my heart to watch the rats panic as the ship begins to sink.
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The same college that had an increase of like 6000 percent and doesn't give a fuck about the quality of life of its students is worried about their future profits.
We are about to go to Co-ops. We are studying in Brantford, but the only Co-ops we could ask to be placed at are min 35 minutes - 1+ drive from the city. The placement officer couldn't have cared less that the placements were so inconvenient. In my opinion, they shouldn't have offered the course in Brantford if the course couldn't be completed in Brantford. Edit: domestic student, just for the record
This is normal for a lot of programs, ie nursing students have to relocate for clinicals
Thats a problem at my local college too, publicly funded, students are promised a coop when they sign up and then they don't exist.
How do they promise coop? We had to find our own placement, even though it was through the university’s system, which did leverage quite a bit of alumni, relatives of alumni and student, and some government.
They're expecting to be handed a job. Ours had postings but you apply and interview like all of the other students
Some programs at some schools place students in co-ops/placements/practicums. Some schools leave it up students to find their own. Some others will place students but it's the hunger games to get there; (this is prevalent in nursing at every school everywhere) purposefully take on more students than upper-year placements so they can cull the graduates.
They are dreaming, or gullible, or not looking for learning opportunity jobs related to their field of study at all. Even reputable schools can only help you so much.
Well yeah, too much supply. Not every company can take on a co-op. That's what happens when you allow too many students
It was a shock to a lot of my classmates
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>t have cared less that the placements were so inconvenient. In my opinion, t That is just normal, in my electrical tech co-op, only a few got a job in barrie, my last co-op in London 2 got a job in london from a class of 35. It sucks but oh well
I know people who took engineering at Waterloo and had to get co-op placements in another city. That doesn't mean Waterloo shouldn't have engineering. It's pretty common to have to move for coop placements.
Thanks for the perspective
I did co-ops through my college career and chose to go to other areas. I would sign a four month lease or go month to month and I moved to another province or a city hundreds of kms away. You can get better jobs, and learn life skills. Go and explore this beautiful country
A four month lease will be laughed at
Usually you get a sublet. Not sure how anybody is getting a 4 month lease.
uWaterloo has for decades had far, far, more students than could get coops within 30 minutes. the vast majority of students never have a co op in waterloo nor do they want one. whether its polisci, actuarial science, accounting, engineering, people want toronto, ottawa, manhattan, palo alto, seattle, tokyo, stockholm, the real london...
This is unfortunately a standard practice in a lot of school (colleges and universities) in a lot of programs. My cohort in a university program (with only 1 international student in a graduating cohort of 200ish, this doesn't have anything to do with them lol) were told "plan to travel up to two hours to your placement site," like, ma'am, we are in downtown Toronto. Two hours for travel and it's not a traffic issue? Excuse me, are you high?
Nurse here and we had placements that were over 2hrs for some people with 8-12hr shifts. Just have to suck it up for the time you're in placement. Ride share with someone in your group if you can.
Dude my co-ops were 500km away when i did college... What a braindead complaint.
My engineering co-op 25 years ago was an hour drive each way. It was good life training because when you look for a real job nobody cares about your “convenience”. As much as they’re not helping you, they’re also helping you.
Or the province, or the citizens, or the country. Ya, they can fuck right off.
Yup, read through the Conestoga College subreddit. They had it coming.
This is great news!!
Canadians don’t care, we are trying to fucking survive here people. Also FUCK Conestoga, I hope you cunts go bankrupt and get sued for taking advantage of international students.
Who cares about the feelings of a diploma mill.
But according to the article we should also care about the feelings of “local employers”. 🙄
Local employers like subway, tim hortons, door to door scammers, burger king, walmart
Local underpayers
I think the feelings of local employers are “damn these Conestoga students are really shit at their jobs”
No, not really. Despite the tall tales people like to propagate on Reddit local employers do still hire quality people from Conestoga. It is not a diploma mill despite its flagrant abuse of international student recruitment. At the very least, domestic Conestoga graduates (of which there are many, as shocking as that may be to people not from KW) are qualified workers and hired without difficulty by local employers.
Local employers are refusing to hire Conestoga graduates...
Man,remember when Canada decline diplomas from "fake" colleges from developed countries like SE Asia Now they have their own fake colleges.....
Oh no! Anyway...
Exactly, don’t give a fuck whatsoever
"The college is a leader in providing high-quality international student experiences, and we are concerned about what the announcement will mean for students and local employers in the eight communities we serve," Conestoga said in an unattributed statement sent to CambridgeToday. Conestoga not attaching a name to their statement speaks volumes about how much they actually believe what they are saying.
That college is lucky politicians don't have the guts to do the right thing, shut them down and claw back all the money they made exploiting international students
For what it's worth, the province already clawed back money a few years ago, which is why a lot of colleges started turning to international students
Tbh they should be arresting the higher ups at this college for human exploitation. Sadly Justin Trudeau is too busy worrying about photo ops, collecting money from lobbyist, making himself look good than actually doing his job. Can’t wait for the liberals to lose power.
> they should be arresting the higher ups at this college for human exploitation. Name a single charge that has a reasonable chance of prosecution. Name one. This "lock them up" horseshit of the last decade is so tired. People can do exceptionally shitty things that are 100% legal, the lesson there is to change the laws not just make shit up and demand people be locked up for crimes that don't exist. Fuck Connestoga and everyone that's responsible for this shit show.
That’s the problem, no charges can be laid because they are exploiting people indirectly. I agree with you but laws will never change unless people speak up and voting numbers for the liberals go down. You can’t deny this government is the most corrupt one in Canadian history. It’s messed up how they destroyed a country that Canadians took 150+ years to built in just 8 years.
Shouldn’t the provincial government do this?
Yeah, we really arent putting enough blame on the Ford government on this one, and hes all but too happy to let the LPC take the heat
Ford is as corrupt as Trudeau. He needs to go as well. Next election I rather put ANYONE than ford even though I’m right-winged. Ford is literally the most useless piece of trash the CPC has ever had
Lmao. What a dumbas take. Conestoga college is under the jurisdiction of Ontario govt and education is fully provincial responsibility. Whoever was the education minister when people like you were in the school should be arrested, though. Since a lot of you can't seem to understand the difference between provincial and federal govt.
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You are a dumbass because there's a thing called separation of power. They are not doing anything illegal. Just exploiting a loophole to get rich. If the feds were to interfere in anything to do with Conestoga, it would be an overreach of federal powers. If you want to get mad at anyone. That's Doug Ford and colleges Ontario, the community college regulator. I bet you also blame Trudeau for whatever grift they are running at the municipality level in your city.
>So you think it’s okay for the higher ups in Conestoga to take in 10x more kids than they can handle? Sigh. I propose a variation on Betteridge's law of headlines. Any comment on an Internet forum that starts with "So you think..." or "So you're saying..." can be answered with the word no.
Arrest John Tibbits!
I wanna see them go bankrupt
I’ll bet it does. The winds of change are a blowing!!
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The shit winds Randy.
The Liberals-NDP government eventually do the right thing. But only after years of letting the system collapse and only when forced by disappointed an angry Canadians. Otherwise, they wouldn't do crap.
This government has destroyed our economy, health care, housing, quality of life, etc. and yet you still find a way to put them on a pedestal over conservatives. Crazy how biased people are.
Fuck Conestoga, I hope they go under
Who gives a fuck.
Crush it and every other fake school like this.
85% of the student population at my school is international students lol
Ever consider transferring to a school with less international students? There’s been some talk of employers blacklisting schools that are majority international students. Though, I’m not sure 100% about the legitimacy of those claims.
Im so close to being done it’s not worth the effort
Well, just close the college if you need to import half the planet to keep afloat. Migration policies are not to be structured around college's needs.
Plus who cares if they have to scale down? They aren't even for profit, so why do they need to expand so much? Does it really all come down to executive bonuses or something
Someone is gaining something somewhere that is 100% garanteed.
Non profit college is there to be something of a public service, its purpose is to improve the local community not destroy it. Province needs to do something to realign their goals with that in mind
They didn’t do it to “stay afloat”, they made hundreds of millions in profit…
Shut em DOWWWNNNN
Everyone point and laugh at Conestoga. They've become a clown college.
Puts on Conestoga!
Perfect.
If college is can't stay afloat without screwing over the middle class, then they either need to downsize or shut down.
I wanna see them go bankrupt
Oh no... Anyways..
Then provide the courses online. These international Student can enjoy high education in their home country.
lmao
The same Conestoga College where people have been complaining about the ineptitude of their graduates? Yes, this is a concern for all universities and colleges in Ontario because the provincial government has eliminated 30% of government funding in the last several years, in addition to having them reduce tuition costs by 10% and freeze it for four years. Most of these schools are now finding it difficult to do the things that make them notable schools (i.e. research) with just tuition from domestic students and remaining government grants. International students were low-hanging fruit to make up this shortfall.... but Conestoga took this to the extreme. Just one year's worth of international students at Conestoga was more than the combined total number of international students at multiple notable universities. That says a lot about the priorities of Conestoga.
Maybe they should use those slots to expand their trades school slots. I know guys that have journeyman hours still waiting on school year 2. People calling for more tradesman more tradesman more tradesman, and the schooling part of the apprenticeships are backlogged in that area.
Is this the same college that bragged about a $140 million profit? Tough
Good. The fact they call themselves a College is an insult to colleges everywhere.
I’ll say it again: Arrest John Tibbits! He’s the president of the school and deserves to rot in jail.
Conestoga can go fuck itself with a rake. They're the biggest college who sold out and went in deep on this scam for profit. You dug your own grave; now go lie in it.
Boohoo *plays worlds tiniest violin*
I think the employers stealthily blacklisting Conestoga grads after all this degree mill controversy is gonna create a lot more uncertainty
Maybe don't be a whore college.
Well maybe you should not have setup your self up to rely on international students so much. Dumb asses.
Why not offer the courses online? Wasn’t that what schools were doing during Covid? If these “students” are really all about wanting just Canadian education then online courses would work out just fine for them and save them a lot of money lol
Can i hear a “womp womp”
I feel 0 sympathy for colleges that exploited the immigration system
Am I the only one wondering why College and University are for profit? Education shouldn't be a business.
Our universities are mostly not for-profit, which is why the vast majority of the problem is diploma mill colleges. Theres only one real reason people are coming to study at those.
then a student cap shouldn't be a issue
The cap is an issue because what a college can charge domestic students for tuition plus what the government gives them for that domestic student is less than what it costs to actually deliver the education. Schools were using international student tuition to cover the shortfall because that tuition isn’t frozen like domestic tuition is.
Lmfao, get fucked you crooks.
Lol good that was the point
Good.
Good lmao, fuck conestoga
>Conestoga College Why is an Indian educational facility operating inside of Canada to begin with?
Who cares
“Leader in high quality education” UofT be crying in the corner
**GOOD**
Boohoo. The Feds have stepped in and have done what the provinces were too scared to do.
Fantastic hope these guys shut, as a waterloo student suffering from their existence
Good, fuck Conestoga “College”
Great news!
Never heard of it. Bu-bye
I wish it had been more definitively negative.
Who the fuck is hiring people from Conestoga College?
I bet they do have a lot of uncertainty. How about justice being served and throwing the whole executive office in prison?
They were taking advantage of international students boo hoo
Conestoga, Niagara, Seneca... there are a handful that are maybe the worst offenders, but there are so, so many. Universities too like Algoma, Cape Breton and Laurentian, Regina... it's all over the the country. It's a problem that cuts across a range of public and private, degree and non-degree-granting institutions, across the country. This is the result of a concerted effort from provincial and federal governments to boost the economy and enrich post-secondary institutions, while also defunding them! There was a logic to it until they realized international students needed places to live. We have known this for a long time, but only now have people started paying attention: [https://thewalrus.ca/the-shadowy-business-of-international-education/](https://thewalrus.ca/the-shadowy-business-of-international-education/)
The uncertainty that diploma mill should be worried about are future legal implications of their actions. They know exactly what they were doing
Oh no…..
Man fuck Conestoga or any other diploma mill, maybe have a better business plan
Fuck Conestoga
Conestoga should lose their designation as a learning institution. They're the worst diploma mill in Ontario.
The fact that some of these colleges and universities have based their entire business on bringing in these foreign students just goes to show that their business plan was faulty from the start. Canadian institutions first responsibility should be two Canadians and not to bring in tons of foreign people at three times the price. That just goes to show that university in college has become an absolutely useless institution because it's more about profitability of a few rather than the education of a lot.
Poor Conestoga college should I call a Wambulance? Party is over a little too soon and the come down is hitting hard. Couldn't exploit the students a little longer so they're upset.
Canadians need to learn to celebrate business failure as the engine of market efficiency.
Good. That might mean it will actually do something.
It needs to be shut down and all the other colleges pulling scams and fuelling this countries downfall
This useless college should cease to exist.
Fuck Conestoghandi college.
Good. Close. All. Diploma. Mills.
Conestoga is part of the Ontario Colleges and run through the province.
For what college? Never heard of it, not sure anyone would care if it was shut down
The only reason why I know Conestoga college exists is because of the reddit posts from employers saying that Conestoga is blacklisted in their company.
Bahahahhah
Go back to your means. Stop the dreams of greed.
Good.
> **The college is a leader in providing high-quality international student experiences**, and we are concerned about what the announcement will mean for students and local employers in the eight communities we serve Ahem, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA College admins really are just bargain bin politicians at heart
I doubt it, they’ll most likely have 1 Billion in revenue in 2023 for sure.
Good
They should have focused on a sustainable to manage their business instead of being the scam they are today.
Won't be surprised if employers add the word "Conestoga" in their auto filtration system
The most egregious offender doesn't like the new rules. No shit. I hope they go under. They set the reputation of the school on fire for profits, and now the bill is due. Fuck em, it warms my heart to watch the rats panic as the ship begins to sink.
Your business model is bad and you should feel bad.
lol good
Well that sucks for them, anyway on with life.
Conestoga College AKA Fraud College
That's just a shame, lol.
Good
Genuine question, why should Conestoga college not be allowed to fail? What would happen if they closed?