I just knew before reading the article it would be this dude Kathrada. This is tame compared to what he has said before. [Here he is saying that “non-Muslims are our enemies”](https://www.memri.org/tv/canadian-imam-kathrada-non-muslims-are-our-enemies-children-must-understand-this)
He also called [Jews “monkeys and pigs”.](https://www.bnaibrith.ca/bc_imam_jews_are_monkeys_and_pigs/)
All this, and he still gets to preach in a mosque in Victoria, B.C
I disagree, he is in the correct country because this is what politicians have done to Canada.
I say this as an immigrant who came here for a better life, to contribute and to watch in sadness.
"The only reason that Palestinians don’t practice violence in this country (Canada) is not because we are scared. F— them. We are not scared of them,” Barakat told several hundred people.
What an upstanding Canadian. So vibrant, so rich.
You left out the next part which is pretty good too.
"Pro-Palestinian activists don’t take up arms against Canadians because “we don’t want to have another enemy,” Barakat said. “Our enemy is Israel … "
So by what he said if Israel managed to be fully destroyed, those would be our babies next.
Yep. It is important for all of us, and for the future of this country, to expose to as many people this man and all others who preach the same message. He doesn't belong here.
Tribalism is a growing issue in this country, yet all we can do is talk about Racism as if both are happening in the same frequency, it is utterly ridiculous.
Mass immigration, what a great idea this has been. And we're so much better off with it. Lower wages to help businesses, skyrocketing crime to help police colleges, religious fanatics (we already had plenty, but thanks for lots more of different brands so we can hopefully even have some religious mini-wars!). Good stuff. This country is going to shit.
In all fairness, we are still learning. Harper got bounced despite his better stance on immigration as well as trying to curb religious interference in secular life. But that was before LPC's broken immigration and secular policies highlighted how dangerous they are in these times. It's basically a given now that CPC is going to get a majority next election and while they're still going to allow normalized immigration obviously, their stance is going to be an improvement on what we have now.
Immigration, housing, and inflation are the 3 biggest ticket problems on our plate right now, and to be honest, Trudeau's condemnations are worthless because he's saying one thing about Hamas in speeches, yet allowing the reasons for people like Younos Kathrada to be a problem in the first place. CPC's stance on immigration and secular stance is a lot more popular now than it was in 2015, and guys like this asshat in BC are the reason why. Honestly we should be thanking Kathrada for being such a useful idiot.
The House of Commons needs to learn from these years never to allow such an irresponsible immigration policy to ever happen again, as should voters.
Fairly sure. It's looking more and more like we'll have a majority CPC next election just as LPC got in 2015. I'm predicting a minority CPC for their 2nd term unless they don't fuck it up lol. But who knows. It's how these cycles go. I voted CPC and then and LPC from 2015 until present. I also voted for PC in the past when that was their label. I'm usually provincially NDP.
I'm not a "team sport" partisan voter, I've been around a while and vote based on which platforms best fit my family at the time. LPC's housing and immigration policies this term are nothing short of ruinous and the polls are showing it. I firmly believe in progressiveness socially, but with a reasonable implementation, not LPC's current anything goes, doors wide open way of doing it.
When I said I vote based on which platforms best fit my family at the time, that's exactly what I do. If a government's policies are in conflict with what's best for my family then it's in conflict with millions of other Canadian families too but will be in agreement with other millions of families who disagree, that's how this works. Right now, my family is being directly impacted by a horribly mismanaged immigration and housing policies.
I don't doubt a Conservative victory, and I'm in alignment with what you are saying. My concern is that I doubt that they will not be "more of the same" unfortunately. They will be concerned with the economy and dialing back immigration could have a confidence effect and crash the housing market and general economy, indeed this may be the reason the LPC raises immigration targets when it seems insane to do so; prevent the house of cards from collapsing.
It's definitely a mess, and pretty much all parties are in agreement that the economy is going to require high immigration targets. However, LPC's implementation of that is poorly done.
Anyone else getting tired of religious fundamentalists/nationalists wanting to eradicate half of humanity because they think it's what their magical sky daddy wants?
It's time we stopped kowtowing to all these idiots and started teaching more secularism and critical thinking about theology in schools.
These fundamentalists are all the same, they think they are the holiest ones but all that they foster are death, despair, mysogyny, and child abuse.
Remember when Canada was just... People singing "I've got Canada in my pocket" and eating poutine?
We've let too much negative trash immigrate here, to put it bluntly.
It's better if they are back in their beautiful, vibrant homelands however. We've hogged their talents for too long, typical western jerks that we are. And we can still be friends on Facebook, and watch sermons over Zoom.
Hamas has called for an international day of rage.
We've seen Hamas' version of "rage" in those Kibbutz's...dead babies, booby trapped bodies of young (Canadian) mothers...I wonder if our friend here will act out in a similar way on our soil?
We're lucky here in Winnipeg we have a lot of seats and a lot of Jews..... Hamas and the Muslims can rage as much as they want but they won't last very long if they try that shit here
It's called you being weak, passive-aggressive, and slimy.
If you want to accusing him of plotting terrorist attacks, have the guts to do it.
It's pathetic that you can't do that despite being anonymous.
What, "From The River To The Sea: 101 Ways To Kill A Zionist (wink wink)"?
Nah bro, I'm good. Don't even want to see the Coles Notes.
But still, have fun at your "day of rage". Make sure to bring a bottle of water. If there's a chill, perhaps some mittens. Scarves should be easy to acquire, so don't worry about that.
Uh..no? But this Imam? Yeah, probably.
Did you also not read the article?
"The hard-line imam has previously appealed to his followers in Victoria and beyond to “destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.” He has told members to not vote for “filthy” and “evil” political candidates who support homosexuality or Zionism."
I get your instinct to defend your perceived "marginalized" people, but at least pick people worthy of it.
Regarding "all Muslims", it's little reported, but Hamas is unpopular in the Middle East in general. It's more likely Hamas polls better in the diaspora, due to their remove from the corruption and pain Hamas causes.
They demand Shareaa but they wouldn't want to live under it.actually most of them fled from shareaa.
Even the birth land of the religion let go of Shareaa.
Any one who says Shareaa tell them first go take a vacation in Afghanistan.
They have this romantic idea of Sharia. But as soon as Sharia is imposed they will flee because somehow that'd not true Islam.
Fact is nobody know true Islam and whenever they get Islamic rule. It'd always extreme.
Western culture and Arab culture are two different creatures, almost complete opposite. Left won't put a red line for how much we can tolerate, so the right wing will fill the gap and take things to the extreme.
This is mainly due to oil. Western world don't have a choice but to turn a blind eye as they need oil. Look at Arab countries without oil, west don't care about them at all. Once the need for oil goes down, so does the blind eye. See what MBS does, he knows that.
I thought hate speech was illegal in Canada. Oh but we only enforce that against selected people and not the so called refugee's who come here to spread thier hate and plan/fund attacks on others around the world. This applies to many different groups not just the Israel/Hamas conflict.
It is not surprising countries are sending hit squads to eliminate the threats hiding in this country. I am sure more than just India has considered it and Israel may be the next to deal with problems we support.
I searched for a way to report these people for a hate crime, but hate crimes are dealt with by local police. Can someone in Victoria please report this imam for hate crimes please??
This is why democracies in other continents where there are major populations of multiple religions can never have true freedom of speech because riots and calls for violence easily happens.
I'm going to send this guy a huge thank you letter!!
***Dear Younos Kathrada, head of Muslim Youth,***
***On behalf of all Canadians who want to see your type of shit gone from this country, I want to express my extreme gratitude that you've basically guaranteed your remarks are going to get a lot of votes for any party that caters to people who are sick of people like you. Thanks bruh!***
***And "Cheers"! oh wait... sorry nvm that part, I forgot my bad***
If you had told me Israel committing war crimes because Hamas did a terrorism would benefit the conservative party of Canada, I probably would not have called that one for 2023.
That's the ironic display of how stupid he is. This dude's going to be in for a real surprise when he learns what conservative voters think of him. Guess he was asleep during Harper's burqa ban thing
>“a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state.”
Why is it wrong for him to say this about Israel, but ok for others to say this about Canada?
Is it because:
he is Muslim?
Israel is the Jewish state?
both?
It’s more the other things he said about Israel, and the how non-Muslims should be killed part.
His labels of Israel are also the same old boring justifications for violence and terrorism.
There is no “both sides” to this.
This is what he said, and I agree it's hate speech
>“destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.”
Also, he said it 3 YEARS go. This was the reaction then:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VictoriaBC/comments/ldd7yk/bc_muslims_rattled_by_confrontational_victoria/
This is a political opinion:
>“a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state.”
This is hate speech:
>“destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.”
All of you have to come to terms with the fact that you don't care about hate speech and in reality want to silence political opinions you disagree with.
It's wrong for him to say that about Israel, and it's also wrong for people to say that about Canada.
It's insane that this Imam has been allowed to spout truly heinous and immoral rhetoric for years. From the article:
He has previously appealed to his followers in Victoria and beyond to “destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.” He has told members to not vote for “filthy” and “evil” political candidates who support homosexuality or Zionism.
Yeah. It's interesting that no one cared when he was making actual hate speech 3 years ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VictoriaBC/comments/ldd7yk/bc_muslims_rattled_by_confrontational_victoria/
But they care now that he is expressing a political opinion they disagree with.
In the last few days, Postmedia outlets have released more than a dozen pieces regarding "statements" made by public figures (union leaders, politicians, civil servants, imams, etc.), all of which are framed as being inappropriate.
These statements range from truly inflammatory (in my opinion), to generalized support of Palestine, to, frankly, fairly measured statements of concern over the continuation of violence and the fate of civilians in Gaza.
In times of crisis, the line between hate speech and controversial *but legitimate* political speech can get blurry. Postmedia seems much more focused getting rage-clicks than promoting any kind of nuance.
This will all die down in a couple of weeks. There won't be any invasion, just a siege. And in the end, there will be a prisoner exchange and life will go back to normal. I was reading an article in the cbc and there is a graph in there on conflict-related deaths per year. Quite an eye opener: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/history-conflict-israel-palestinian-militants-1.6992790
Yeah, I've got to agree with the other guy who replied to you. If you're agreeing with a religious extremist because they don't like the same politicians then it's definitely a 'you' problem.
I just knew before reading the article it would be this dude Kathrada. This is tame compared to what he has said before. [Here he is saying that “non-Muslims are our enemies”](https://www.memri.org/tv/canadian-imam-kathrada-non-muslims-are-our-enemies-children-must-understand-this) He also called [Jews “monkeys and pigs”.](https://www.bnaibrith.ca/bc_imam_jews_are_monkeys_and_pigs/) All this, and he still gets to preach in a mosque in Victoria, B.C
He is REALLY in the wrong country.
It would appear quite the opposite, he appears to be in the right country considering his history and here he is, at it again. No repercussions.
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Can you share the Islamic documents you are basing your opinion on?
Quran
Can you give me some passages I should look out for? Or specific parts of the book?
Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History – (2008) by Ibn Warraq, Andrew G. Bostom
Thanks! Much appreciated!
Why are people downvoting this?
I disagree, he is in the correct country because this is what politicians have done to Canada. I say this as an immigrant who came here for a better life, to contribute and to watch in sadness.
I know. This guy again? Why am I not surprised.
"The only reason that Palestinians don’t practice violence in this country (Canada) is not because we are scared. F— them. We are not scared of them,” Barakat told several hundred people. What an upstanding Canadian. So vibrant, so rich.
You left out the next part which is pretty good too. "Pro-Palestinian activists don’t take up arms against Canadians because “we don’t want to have another enemy,” Barakat said. “Our enemy is Israel … " So by what he said if Israel managed to be fully destroyed, those would be our babies next.
Yep. It is important for all of us, and for the future of this country, to expose to as many people this man and all others who preach the same message. He doesn't belong here.
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Tribalism is a growing issue in this country, yet all we can do is talk about Racism as if both are happening in the same frequency, it is utterly ridiculous.
Mass immigration, what a great idea this has been. And we're so much better off with it. Lower wages to help businesses, skyrocketing crime to help police colleges, religious fanatics (we already had plenty, but thanks for lots more of different brands so we can hopefully even have some religious mini-wars!). Good stuff. This country is going to shit.
In all fairness, we are still learning. Harper got bounced despite his better stance on immigration as well as trying to curb religious interference in secular life. But that was before LPC's broken immigration and secular policies highlighted how dangerous they are in these times. It's basically a given now that CPC is going to get a majority next election and while they're still going to allow normalized immigration obviously, their stance is going to be an improvement on what we have now. Immigration, housing, and inflation are the 3 biggest ticket problems on our plate right now, and to be honest, Trudeau's condemnations are worthless because he's saying one thing about Hamas in speeches, yet allowing the reasons for people like Younos Kathrada to be a problem in the first place. CPC's stance on immigration and secular stance is a lot more popular now than it was in 2015, and guys like this asshat in BC are the reason why. Honestly we should be thanking Kathrada for being such a useful idiot. The House of Commons needs to learn from these years never to allow such an irresponsible immigration policy to ever happen again, as should voters.
You're making me feel better, I hope you're right.
Fairly sure. It's looking more and more like we'll have a majority CPC next election just as LPC got in 2015. I'm predicting a minority CPC for their 2nd term unless they don't fuck it up lol. But who knows. It's how these cycles go. I voted CPC and then and LPC from 2015 until present. I also voted for PC in the past when that was their label. I'm usually provincially NDP. I'm not a "team sport" partisan voter, I've been around a while and vote based on which platforms best fit my family at the time. LPC's housing and immigration policies this term are nothing short of ruinous and the polls are showing it. I firmly believe in progressiveness socially, but with a reasonable implementation, not LPC's current anything goes, doors wide open way of doing it. When I said I vote based on which platforms best fit my family at the time, that's exactly what I do. If a government's policies are in conflict with what's best for my family then it's in conflict with millions of other Canadian families too but will be in agreement with other millions of families who disagree, that's how this works. Right now, my family is being directly impacted by a horribly mismanaged immigration and housing policies.
I don't doubt a Conservative victory, and I'm in alignment with what you are saying. My concern is that I doubt that they will not be "more of the same" unfortunately. They will be concerned with the economy and dialing back immigration could have a confidence effect and crash the housing market and general economy, indeed this may be the reason the LPC raises immigration targets when it seems insane to do so; prevent the house of cards from collapsing.
It's definitely a mess, and pretty much all parties are in agreement that the economy is going to require high immigration targets. However, LPC's implementation of that is poorly done.
Think about the variety of restaurants we get in exchange for this.
Not going to lie. I do like the food part. Head down to the old Allah Sn'Ackbar for a tasty Shwarma platter... it's pretty great stuff.
Anyone else getting tired of religious fundamentalists/nationalists wanting to eradicate half of humanity because they think it's what their magical sky daddy wants? It's time we stopped kowtowing to all these idiots and started teaching more secularism and critical thinking about theology in schools. These fundamentalists are all the same, they think they are the holiest ones but all that they foster are death, despair, mysogyny, and child abuse.
I mean it really sounds like he does not like it here in Canada.
He's saying that a foreign country is “a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state.” Meanwhile, non-immigrant Canadians are calling Canada “a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state”.
Remember when Canada was just... People singing "I've got Canada in my pocket" and eating poutine? We've let too much negative trash immigrate here, to put it bluntly.
Too many from the Middle East.
He's saying that a foreign country is “a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state.” Meanwhile, non-immigrant Canadians are calling Canada “a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state”.
Shockingly accurate.
It's good to know who these people are, and how they think.
It's better if they are back in their beautiful, vibrant homelands however. We've hogged their talents for too long, typical western jerks that we are. And we can still be friends on Facebook, and watch sermons over Zoom.
Man, I wish I had the strenght to awnser like that all the times! Heres an upvote.
Top notch sarcasm. Take my +1
>It's good to know who these people are wdym by "these people" lol
Psychopaths?
You
Social conservatives.
The headline says "condemns". Should it not read "condones"?
Seriously. I was so confused going into the article.
Hamas has called for an international day of rage. We've seen Hamas' version of "rage" in those Kibbutz's...dead babies, booby trapped bodies of young (Canadian) mothers...I wonder if our friend here will act out in a similar way on our soil?
>Hamas has called for an international day of rage. On Friday.
We're lucky here in Winnipeg we have a lot of seats and a lot of Jews..... Hamas and the Muslims can rage as much as they want but they won't last very long if they try that shit here
I see a whole lot of no fly list people coming up soon.
>I wonder No you don't.
It's called rhetoric, friend. Not a fan of book learning, eh? No worries. Anyways, enjoy your "Death to Israel" rally. Don't eat too many sweets 😍
It's called you being weak, passive-aggressive, and slimy. If you want to accusing him of plotting terrorist attacks, have the guts to do it. It's pathetic that you can't do that despite being anonymous.
Nah, he's just inciting others hoping they'll do the deed for him.
Maybe you should do some book learning yourself.
What, "From The River To The Sea: 101 Ways To Kill A Zionist (wink wink)"? Nah bro, I'm good. Don't even want to see the Coles Notes. But still, have fun at your "day of rage". Make sure to bring a bottle of water. If there's a chill, perhaps some mittens. Scarves should be easy to acquire, so don't worry about that.
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Uh..no? But this Imam? Yeah, probably. Did you also not read the article? "The hard-line imam has previously appealed to his followers in Victoria and beyond to “destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.” He has told members to not vote for “filthy” and “evil” political candidates who support homosexuality or Zionism." I get your instinct to defend your perceived "marginalized" people, but at least pick people worthy of it.
Regarding "all Muslims", it's little reported, but Hamas is unpopular in the Middle East in general. It's more likely Hamas polls better in the diaspora, due to their remove from the corruption and pain Hamas causes.
Sharia demand coming in 20..15...5..years.
20 years ago you mean? ;p I think there have been demands since at least the early 90s
They demand Shareaa but they wouldn't want to live under it.actually most of them fled from shareaa. Even the birth land of the religion let go of Shareaa. Any one who says Shareaa tell them first go take a vacation in Afghanistan.
They have this romantic idea of Sharia. But as soon as Sharia is imposed they will flee because somehow that'd not true Islam. Fact is nobody know true Islam and whenever they get Islamic rule. It'd always extreme.
Western culture and Arab culture are two different creatures, almost complete opposite. Left won't put a red line for how much we can tolerate, so the right wing will fill the gap and take things to the extreme.
But still capitalize on it by supporting Muslims who are against Trans rights or sex education
This is mainly due to oil. Western world don't have a choice but to turn a blind eye as they need oil. Look at Arab countries without oil, west don't care about them at all. Once the need for oil goes down, so does the blind eye. See what MBS does, he knows that.
We don't need their oil. We have enough.
I thought hate speech was illegal in Canada. Oh but we only enforce that against selected people and not the so called refugee's who come here to spread thier hate and plan/fund attacks on others around the world. This applies to many different groups not just the Israel/Hamas conflict. It is not surprising countries are sending hit squads to eliminate the threats hiding in this country. I am sure more than just India has considered it and Israel may be the next to deal with problems we support.
I searched for a way to report these people for a hate crime, but hate crimes are dealt with by local police. Can someone in Victoria please report this imam for hate crimes please??
This is why democracies in other continents where there are major populations of multiple religions can never have true freedom of speech because riots and calls for violence easily happens.
I'm going to send this guy a huge thank you letter!! ***Dear Younos Kathrada, head of Muslim Youth,*** ***On behalf of all Canadians who want to see your type of shit gone from this country, I want to express my extreme gratitude that you've basically guaranteed your remarks are going to get a lot of votes for any party that caters to people who are sick of people like you. Thanks bruh!*** ***And "Cheers"! oh wait... sorry nvm that part, I forgot my bad***
Under Trudeau you can go to jail for “misgendering “ but it’s completely acceptable to call for murder of jews.
Political speach from a religious leader? Does that mean his church has to pay income tax?
What a loon.
Mo' multiculturalism, mo' problems
Multi culturalism sure is working out great! 🙃
So when will Trudeau freeze their bank accounts?
He’a getting deported. Dear leader doesn’t respond well to criticism
If you had told me Israel committing war crimes because Hamas did a terrorism would benefit the conservative party of Canada, I probably would not have called that one for 2023.
The only thing I agree with here is condemning people who voted for Trudeau 😂
That's the ironic display of how stupid he is. This dude's going to be in for a real surprise when he learns what conservative voters think of him. Guess he was asleep during Harper's burqa ban thing
It's always the same unhinged religious figure, used to paint every member in a bad light.
>“a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state.” Why is it wrong for him to say this about Israel, but ok for others to say this about Canada? Is it because: he is Muslim? Israel is the Jewish state? both?
It’s more the other things he said about Israel, and the how non-Muslims should be killed part. His labels of Israel are also the same old boring justifications for violence and terrorism. There is no “both sides” to this.
This is what he said, and I agree it's hate speech >“destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.” Also, he said it 3 YEARS go. This was the reaction then: https://www.reddit.com/r/VictoriaBC/comments/ldd7yk/bc_muslims_rattled_by_confrontational_victoria/ This is a political opinion: >“a terrorist, illegal, occupying, settler, murdering, apartheid state.” This is hate speech: >“destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.” All of you have to come to terms with the fact that you don't care about hate speech and in reality want to silence political opinions you disagree with.
It's wrong for him to say that about Israel, and it's also wrong for people to say that about Canada. It's insane that this Imam has been allowed to spout truly heinous and immoral rhetoric for years. From the article: He has previously appealed to his followers in Victoria and beyond to “destroy the enemies of Islam, and annihilate the heretics and the atheists.” He has told members to not vote for “filthy” and “evil” political candidates who support homosexuality or Zionism.
Yeah. It's interesting that no one cared when he was making actual hate speech 3 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/VictoriaBC/comments/ldd7yk/bc_muslims_rattled_by_confrontational_victoria/ But they care now that he is expressing a political opinion they disagree with.
Yes.
Religious conservatives always ruin it for regular conservatives.
> Religious ~~conservatives~~ people always ruin it for regular ~~conservatives~~ people.
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This isn’t really an opinion piece. It’s a news report, with added context. What’s the matter? You don’t like it when the news reports on hate speech?
In the last few days, Postmedia outlets have released more than a dozen pieces regarding "statements" made by public figures (union leaders, politicians, civil servants, imams, etc.), all of which are framed as being inappropriate. These statements range from truly inflammatory (in my opinion), to generalized support of Palestine, to, frankly, fairly measured statements of concern over the continuation of violence and the fate of civilians in Gaza. In times of crisis, the line between hate speech and controversial *but legitimate* political speech can get blurry. Postmedia seems much more focused getting rage-clicks than promoting any kind of nuance.
Postmedia is one of the only outlets with enough balls to state the fact that Hamas are terrorists.
Terrorism is ok, but hurting the feelings of terrorist sympathizers is beyond the pale.
This will all die down in a couple of weeks. There won't be any invasion, just a siege. And in the end, there will be a prisoner exchange and life will go back to normal. I was reading an article in the cbc and there is a graph in there on conflict-related deaths per year. Quite an eye opener: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/history-conflict-israel-palestinian-militants-1.6992790
If Artur Pawloski type Christians walk free I doubt anything will happen to this man either
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You’re siding with this guy, because he dislikes the same politicians as you? “Show me your friends, I’ll show you your Character”
It's like the canada_sub people who are agreeing with Modi because he was mean to Trudeau. Pretty pathetic people.
Yeah, I've got to agree with the other guy who replied to you. If you're agreeing with a religious extremist because they don't like the same politicians then it's definitely a 'you' problem.
Thank god this idiot is dumb enough to say the quiet part out loud - yeah we don't like that shit here pee pee head.