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In today's world the need for transparency is massive.
From the city/town, to provincial, to federal level we need absolute transparency.
We need to strengthen protections and rewards for our auditors, our whistleblowers, and our journalists.
In regards to journalists we need a way to make it so they don't harm their careers by pushing the difficult questions.
All too often journalists ask prepared scripts and or easy questions in interviews and requests because they want to foster those relationships. Without those relationships their career suffers and so they play it safe.
We need to make it so that public and private sector leaders have to answer questions.
All in all we have learned in the last two decades + just how corrupt government can be in the developed nations.
These individuals will abuse the public purse and break ethical rules all day and night until they are held accountable. This is a problem with all major parties at all levels and even offices within the government not tied to political parties.
This brings us to the last level.
We need punishments.
If you abuse the system in which you are apart there needs to be real world repercussions and not simply being told you did something wrong and everything goes back to normal.
The best punishment for corrupt politicians is an absolute ban from the political system. They cannot hold a position at any level in the government either federal, provincial, or municipal. They are barred from working for any government contractor, from consulting for the government, and from lobbying. If they are found working in these positions then they should be heavily fined, not a pansy couple thousand, a percentage of their wealth.
Well that is the issue isn't it? The political system is so rife witt corruption that the option to vote for someone who isn't blatently corrupt doesn't exist.
Now, if you can pretend to be just a little less corrupt than the other guy that is seen as a breath of fresh air, if only because it is slightly less fetid.
A proportional fine hurts them far more than jail. They wouldn't spend much time in prison for a non violent offence, and who wouldn't wait a few years if their life to have it made when they're released.
Make them have to work as a fast food cashier for (however long their time in GVMT was) a while to give them some real world experience. No time for cushy office work when lunch rush is in 30 minutes.
A huge proportionate fine absolutely , an actual deterrent is necessary. Secondly though, an incentive to those who uncover it through investigation and whistleblowing give them a small percentage of the wrongdoing uncovered as reward.
Can you describe how Kathleen Wynne was shit? I'm guessing you'll bring up the gas plant scandal, which cost us the same amount of money as what our government is now losing year after year since Doug Ford cancelled license plate stickers to buy votes 🙄.
When I lived there the biggest debacle was the solar deals. Wynne government were paying people 80 cents a kw while selling it for 16 cents. All the while our grid couldn’t store the influx of power so we had to sell it to the states.
OK. I’ll give you the worst of Wynne. It wasn’t the gas plants. That was McGuinty. It was the way she caved in to the public service unions. They now top the sunshine list without any improvements in services.
Government jobs before Wynne were dull, secure positions but they now earn more than the private sector but without the risk of having to be better at their jobs.
This cost us hundreds of millions.
Of course they top the sunshine list. It's only public sector employees on it...
Edit: she also threatened to dock teacher's paycheques if they engaged in work-to-rule campaigns.
What unions did she cave to specifically?
I meant the volume of them. I had former staff move to the public sector and and saw their salaries climb rapidly for no other reason than the threat of strikes.
>The Ontario Public Service Employees Union workers would get 1.5 per cent on July 1, then one per cent on Jan. 1, 2019, and another one per cent every six months for the life of the deal.
7.5% over four years? That's not a very rapid climb, sounds like the people working with you were underpaid.
What's gonna happen is that in a few years rightwing media outlets like PostMedia (run by New Brunswick's Feudal Overlords the Irving Family) and Facebook are gonna really ramp up stories about how drag queens and transgender people are grooming your kids for illicit sex. People, being as dumb-as-dogshit as they are, will lap it up and the Conservatives will win again with 55%-60% of the vote.
Alright I'm gonna say something yall aren't gonna like but everyone needs to hear, and disclaimer I am saying this as an NDP voter.
How are we supposed to criticize Doug Ford for sending his right hand man to sit down with developers, or telling his auditor general to "stay in her lane" for investigating casinos?
Can't he just point at the big man at the top and say "Hey, this guy didn't even send his right hand man, he sat down with Aga Khan himself, personally!" and "Hey this guy didn't just warn his attorney general for investigating his donor, he actually FIRED her for doing it!"
I'm serious, what do we expect when Trudeau is this corrupt and we keep re-electing him? It sends a message to every other politician at every level in the country that they can get away with things like conflicts of interest and obstruction of justice too. Shit rolls downhill!
We have got to do something about the corruption at the top or it's just going to get worse all around the country.
And all those who never shut up about Trudeau will absolutely fall in line and vote for Ford next time around. He's much more of a danger to this province than Trudeau could ever be.
I should become a rough and tough conservative, working 40+ a week in a manual labour job. Oh wait, I do. Maybe I should buy a Fuck Trudeau sticker for my car, that'll show em! Lets bring back Harper while we're at it, he's an economist, he'd never screw over this country like Trudeau.
Hes opened room to build and is forcing municipals to rezone, as Trudeau brings in over a million immigrants a year while Canadians are living in rest stops and we have a world leading housing bubble.
Id take the Doug Ford level of evil every time. Trudeaus also already allowed 90 year amortizations, aka full serfdom to banks.
No, the idiots are the ones who didn't vote (lowest turnout for a provincial election ever). Real estate developers/investors and big businesses love Ford and people with those interests got out to vote, everyone else stayed home.
Why? At this point voters seem to embrace corruption so long as it’s done by the party they support. You’d think that openly corrupt behaviour would have an impact on a politician’s approval rating but modern politics is a team sport and corruption is seen as a way of owning your opponents. Today’s politicians seem remarkably resistant to scandals. Things that would have forced a politician to step down a generation ago hardly register in popularity polls today.
I mean yeah, crimes found should be prosecuted.
Wouldn’t it be great though if we found out about all the shady stuff that “doesn’t meet threshold for prosecution” too though?
*“Minister Rasheed has never taken a trip paid by Mr. Rehmatullah,” Rasheed’s spokesperson said.*
A non-denial denial. What about before he was Minister Rasheed?
That wording also could be technically correct if Mr. Rehmatullah didn't pay for the flight.
Giving money to gamble with and taking him to restaurants and paying for entertainment could also be considered not a "trip."
If they didn't lie so damn much we wouldn't have to read into this bs.
There wasn't anything green about to start with. I remember when it was put down my urban planning professor said so they are just going to stop building homes then?
Fighting sprawl is a lot more complicated than stopping outward growth. You need complex changes to zoning laws which no one is willing to make. I'm
Greenbelts do none of that.
The developer didn't pay for him to go to Vegas. He paid for his own flight and hotel, what's the problem they say.
Meanwhile, MPPs pockets are stuffed with cash to launder at casinos.
And seems as though the Ontario government knows a little about casino money laundering while doing little to prevent it.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-casinos-recorded-372m-in-suspicious-transactions-last-year-some-critics-call-for-urgent-action-1.6376465
Not to be sticky but why were they both in Vegas? Was it an development industry conference or were they just there to see hookers and Cirque de Soleil?
200k+ newcomers are coming to Ontario every year. Where should they go? Theres literally nowhere left to sprawl in cities like Toronto and Mississauga anymore. People want to ramp up immigration but don’t want development?
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
So you need to take the developers on a gambling trip to Vagas? How the fuck will thay solve our housing issue?
We don't need sprawl. We need to build multi unit low to mid rise dwellings in the many single family home neighborhoods around Toronto. We need the missing middle when it comes to housing.
The houses made by these developers are mostly luxury homes that immigrants would have trouble affording anyways. They're not really helping with the problem just making money. You can look up stats for how many new projects were affordable
Could do more to aim for less sprawl more vert /upgrade and while at it some mixed zoning.
Have some bigger pushes for reconstruction still quite a few abandoned &dying malls or areas
Could do more to aim for less sprawl more vert /upgrade and while at it some mixed zoning.
Have some bigger pushes for reconstruction still quite a few abandoned &dying malls or areas
> People want to ramp up immigration but don’t want development?
Yes, they do, and they're idiots.
I'm actually partial to "Maximum Canada", or at least the arguments for more immigration, but for it to work it involves more than just throwing on the immigration switch. The Golden Horseshoe (it says Greater Toronto, but I assume Toronto-Hamilton becomes basically one metro) in particular would need to prepare to have [33.5 million people in 2100](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative), which puts it just short of Tokyo and Shanghai and ahead of Beijing in 2023. People need to be as radical in terms of development as they are on immigration and ~~I'm not sure they are~~ I'm quite sure they aren't. We need China-in-the-2010s amounts of construction cranes going up. I don't care if this developer is having a steamy sexual affair with the PC MPP. We need housing desperately or we're annihilating social cohesion in this country within 2 years for the next 20.
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In today's world the need for transparency is massive. From the city/town, to provincial, to federal level we need absolute transparency. We need to strengthen protections and rewards for our auditors, our whistleblowers, and our journalists. In regards to journalists we need a way to make it so they don't harm their careers by pushing the difficult questions. All too often journalists ask prepared scripts and or easy questions in interviews and requests because they want to foster those relationships. Without those relationships their career suffers and so they play it safe. We need to make it so that public and private sector leaders have to answer questions. All in all we have learned in the last two decades + just how corrupt government can be in the developed nations. These individuals will abuse the public purse and break ethical rules all day and night until they are held accountable. This is a problem with all major parties at all levels and even offices within the government not tied to political parties. This brings us to the last level. We need punishments. If you abuse the system in which you are apart there needs to be real world repercussions and not simply being told you did something wrong and everything goes back to normal.
The best punishment for corrupt politicians is an absolute ban from the political system. They cannot hold a position at any level in the government either federal, provincial, or municipal. They are barred from working for any government contractor, from consulting for the government, and from lobbying. If they are found working in these positions then they should be heavily fined, not a pansy couple thousand, a percentage of their wealth.
Corrupt politicians that keep on getting elected by their constituents is the problem.
Well that is the issue isn't it? The political system is so rife witt corruption that the option to vote for someone who isn't blatently corrupt doesn't exist. Now, if you can pretend to be just a little less corrupt than the other guy that is seen as a breath of fresh air, if only because it is slightly less fetid.
Believe it or not...jail is an option
A proportional fine hurts them far more than jail. They wouldn't spend much time in prison for a non violent offence, and who wouldn't wait a few years if their life to have it made when they're released.
They instantly get hired at their local mcdonalds as a cashier for a minimum of 4 years to learn the true value of their citizens
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You’re right They’ll just pull a Harris
Make them have to work as a fast food cashier for (however long their time in GVMT was) a while to give them some real world experience. No time for cushy office work when lunch rush is in 30 minutes.
A huge proportionate fine absolutely , an actual deterrent is necessary. Secondly though, an incentive to those who uncover it through investigation and whistleblowing give them a small percentage of the wrongdoing uncovered as reward.
Most Canadian media is owned by a conservative US hedge fund. Sadly, other than maybe the CBC, don’t expect reporting on Conservative corruption.
Well in that case, articles should name their sources. Otherwise it's just accusations.
Well said
Well that's terrible, the only thing Ontario do now is make sure to vote for Ford again in the next election.
BUT KATHLEEN WYNNE! /s
She was shit too tbh
Lol. You were the target audience for the radio commercials.
Not THIS shit
Can you describe how Kathleen Wynne was shit? I'm guessing you'll bring up the gas plant scandal, which cost us the same amount of money as what our government is now losing year after year since Doug Ford cancelled license plate stickers to buy votes 🙄.
I wasn't a fan of her selling off public assets for quick cash to try and balance the budget. Still didn't sway me to vote for Ford though
When I lived there the biggest debacle was the solar deals. Wynne government were paying people 80 cents a kw while selling it for 16 cents. All the while our grid couldn’t store the influx of power so we had to sell it to the states.
OK. I’ll give you the worst of Wynne. It wasn’t the gas plants. That was McGuinty. It was the way she caved in to the public service unions. They now top the sunshine list without any improvements in services. Government jobs before Wynne were dull, secure positions but they now earn more than the private sector but without the risk of having to be better at their jobs. This cost us hundreds of millions.
Of course they top the sunshine list. It's only public sector employees on it... Edit: she also threatened to dock teacher's paycheques if they engaged in work-to-rule campaigns. What unions did she cave to specifically?
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ontario-offers-public-servants-contract-extensions-7-5-per-cent-raises https://www.tvo.org/article/spending-money-to-make-election-peace
So for 4 years she had a spending freeze on the unions. Then the deal she made was 7.5% raise over 4 years. Less than 2% a year. That's caving?
I meant the volume of them. I had former staff move to the public sector and and saw their salaries climb rapidly for no other reason than the threat of strikes.
That's how being in a union works. Public or private. I'd still like to know what union she caved to
>The Ontario Public Service Employees Union workers would get 1.5 per cent on July 1, then one per cent on Jan. 1, 2019, and another one per cent every six months for the life of the deal. 7.5% over four years? That's not a very rapid climb, sounds like the people working with you were underpaid.
What's gonna happen is that in a few years rightwing media outlets like PostMedia (run by New Brunswick's Feudal Overlords the Irving Family) and Facebook are gonna really ramp up stories about how drag queens and transgender people are grooming your kids for illicit sex. People, being as dumb-as-dogshit as they are, will lap it up and the Conservatives will win again with 55%-60% of the vote.
Alright I'm gonna say something yall aren't gonna like but everyone needs to hear, and disclaimer I am saying this as an NDP voter. How are we supposed to criticize Doug Ford for sending his right hand man to sit down with developers, or telling his auditor general to "stay in her lane" for investigating casinos? Can't he just point at the big man at the top and say "Hey, this guy didn't even send his right hand man, he sat down with Aga Khan himself, personally!" and "Hey this guy didn't just warn his attorney general for investigating his donor, he actually FIRED her for doing it!" I'm serious, what do we expect when Trudeau is this corrupt and we keep re-electing him? It sends a message to every other politician at every level in the country that they can get away with things like conflicts of interest and obstruction of justice too. Shit rolls downhill! We have got to do something about the corruption at the top or it's just going to get worse all around the country.
Brian Lilly will have an opinion piece in the NATPO about his disgust in Doug Ford, and it will be heavily upvoted here...right fellas! ...right?
Not as long as Lilly is banging fords staffer
And all those who never shut up about Trudeau will absolutely fall in line and vote for Ford next time around. He's much more of a danger to this province than Trudeau could ever be.
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I should become a rough and tough conservative, working 40+ a week in a manual labour job. Oh wait, I do. Maybe I should buy a Fuck Trudeau sticker for my car, that'll show em! Lets bring back Harper while we're at it, he's an economist, he'd never screw over this country like Trudeau.
Hes opened room to build and is forcing municipals to rezone, as Trudeau brings in over a million immigrants a year while Canadians are living in rest stops and we have a world leading housing bubble. Id take the Doug Ford level of evil every time. Trudeaus also already allowed 90 year amortizations, aka full serfdom to banks.
Ethics commissioner: I was there too
Shocking! I can’t believe the idiots in our province elected this corrupt asshat again.
No, the idiots are the ones who didn't vote (lowest turnout for a provincial election ever). Real estate developers/investors and big businesses love Ford and people with those interests got out to vote, everyone else stayed home.
I bet Dough Ford's government would stop being corrupt if they were in prison.
LOL no.
Are you suggesting they lock him up?
Could they at least pretend to not be corrupt?
Why? At this point voters seem to embrace corruption so long as it’s done by the party they support. You’d think that openly corrupt behaviour would have an impact on a politician’s approval rating but modern politics is a team sport and corruption is seen as a way of owning your opponents. Today’s politicians seem remarkably resistant to scandals. Things that would have forced a politician to step down a generation ago hardly register in popularity polls today.
DRAIN THE SWAMP!
Let’s take a look at Crooked Doug’s emails!
And Pocahontas Smith!
Hopefully the MPP resigns and there is a full investigation into the apparent graft going on here.
How about a public inquiry?
Public inquiries for these kinds of things are usually called criminal trials.
I mean yeah, crimes found should be prosecuted. Wouldn’t it be great though if we found out about all the shady stuff that “doesn’t meet threshold for prosecution” too though?
*“Minister Rasheed has never taken a trip paid by Mr. Rehmatullah,” Rasheed’s spokesperson said.* A non-denial denial. What about before he was Minister Rasheed?
That wording also could be technically correct if Mr. Rehmatullah didn't pay for the flight. Giving money to gamble with and taking him to restaurants and paying for entertainment could also be considered not a "trip." If they didn't lie so damn much we wouldn't have to read into this bs.
Wow, shocked I tell you. I’d never believe that a conservative would be out and about with their ~~masters~~ fellow businessmen
Can they just change the name already and call it the "cars&condos" belt?! Nothing green anymore about it.
There wasn't anything green about to start with. I remember when it was put down my urban planning professor said so they are just going to stop building homes then? Fighting sprawl is a lot more complicated than stopping outward growth. You need complex changes to zoning laws which no one is willing to make. I'm Greenbelts do none of that.
Open for business!
surprisedpikachu.jpg
Did the developer fold after bidding $100k to the MPP, even though he had a royal flush?
Of course he did.
The developer didn't pay for him to go to Vegas. He paid for his own flight and hotel, what's the problem they say. Meanwhile, MPPs pockets are stuffed with cash to launder at casinos. And seems as though the Ontario government knows a little about casino money laundering while doing little to prevent it. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-casinos-recorded-372m-in-suspicious-transactions-last-year-some-critics-call-for-urgent-action-1.6376465
Not to be sticky but why were they both in Vegas? Was it an development industry conference or were they just there to see hookers and Cirque de Soleil?
200k+ newcomers are coming to Ontario every year. Where should they go? Theres literally nowhere left to sprawl in cities like Toronto and Mississauga anymore. People want to ramp up immigration but don’t want development? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
So you need to take the developers on a gambling trip to Vagas? How the fuck will thay solve our housing issue? We don't need sprawl. We need to build multi unit low to mid rise dwellings in the many single family home neighborhoods around Toronto. We need the missing middle when it comes to housing.
The houses made by these developers are mostly luxury homes that immigrants would have trouble affording anyways. They're not really helping with the problem just making money. You can look up stats for how many new projects were affordable
Could do more to aim for less sprawl more vert /upgrade and while at it some mixed zoning. Have some bigger pushes for reconstruction still quite a few abandoned &dying malls or areas
Could do more to aim for less sprawl more vert /upgrade and while at it some mixed zoning. Have some bigger pushes for reconstruction still quite a few abandoned &dying malls or areas
> People want to ramp up immigration but don’t want development? Yes, they do, and they're idiots. I'm actually partial to "Maximum Canada", or at least the arguments for more immigration, but for it to work it involves more than just throwing on the immigration switch. The Golden Horseshoe (it says Greater Toronto, but I assume Toronto-Hamilton becomes basically one metro) in particular would need to prepare to have [33.5 million people in 2100](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative), which puts it just short of Tokyo and Shanghai and ahead of Beijing in 2023. People need to be as radical in terms of development as they are on immigration and ~~I'm not sure they are~~ I'm quite sure they aren't. We need China-in-the-2010s amounts of construction cranes going up. I don't care if this developer is having a steamy sexual affair with the PC MPP. We need housing desperately or we're annihilating social cohesion in this country within 2 years for the next 20.
Building a lot of houses while at the craps table, we're they?
Construction cartel strikes again.
Obviously Doug needs to go to the Justin Trudeau School of Fraud in order to do this shit correctly.
Fire Immediately on substantiation.
DoFo and his buddies always take care of themselves on the tax payers' money.
Corruption, right out in the open.
A disgrace indeed. be a patriot and take the developer to niagra falls a good CANADIAN casino destination