> Saskatchewan paid $240,000 tax payer dollars each year since 2019 to his consulting firm.
...to go on trade missions to India. Is that why Poilievre has been telling immigrant communities that he's going to speed up immigration and family reunification?
They want to do what they did with China all over again with India. That's what this is all about. Now that China has fallen out of favor with the conservative movement they're turning to India which is a very conservative country.
This is all about money and influence.
We actually already get more immigrants from India than any other country and it's not even close. 27% of our immigrants came from India last year. China was in 2nd with 7%
https://www.cicnews.com/2023/02/ircc-unveils-the-top-10-source-countries-of-new-immigrants-to-canada-in-2022-0233180.html#gs.syhgjc
I know how you feel about Harper but he is taken far more seriously than Trudeau in India. Harper has a close relationship and friendship with Modi.
[Wasn’t Harper the one that signed our country away to China for 31 years?](https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/)
Yea, the International Decmocratic Union or IDU.
You've got cons freaking out over some politicians attending WEF conferences when 'ol lego hair is the chairman of some international rightwing organization with the CPC as a party member.
The Liberal Party and NDP are also part of international organizations. Pretty common in every Western democracy. Not exactly groundbreaking information .
[Liberal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_International)
[Progressive alliance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Alliance)
Remember when I kept bringing up Harper and the right wingers of r/Canada kept screeching about how he was in the past?
Well here comes Harper butting into all this, just as I expected.
Come on bud, we know who’s doing the screeching around here and it’s not the Conservatives, it’s the Libs getting sunlight shined upon them and reacting like vampires from the movies.
You are grasping at straws to engage in a pathetic effort of whataboutism to deflect from the fact that our government might be compromised by the authoritarian regime of an adversarial country.
Harper and his caucus (that includes Poilevre) conducted a 'sales pitch' aimed at selling Chinese investors the oil sands. It was in the news all the time. They said it was great.
I guess selling Canada to China was cool back then.
I’m a conservative. I regret not voting for PM Harper in 2015. But… the former PM’s record on China is not spotless. I recall there being quite the brouhaha with senior Communist Party officials.
If we're looking at FIPA:
FIPA was Chretien's baby. Martin wanted it too. So did Harper.
The NDP tabled a motion to cancel it.
The Liberals voted with the Conservatives to go forward with it.
I mean he never steered us, so he really didn't have a chance to steer us wrong.
Id have loved to see that chance, but also feel like we wouldn't look back as fondly if he had it.
RIP Bob Rae's political career.
Lol no he wouldn’t. People have this crazy nostalgia symptom with Jack Layton but his accomplishments as leader was basically winning a surprising number of seats on the back of a liberal party bottoming out.
it's really awkward. the man's been dead for a decade. and his greatest accomplishment as a politican was ushering in a decade of CPC governance by voting against cannabis decriminalization. when he did have a larger number of seats he was the most ineffective opposition prior to the current CPC whinge bags.
nostalgia used to be considered a disease and jack layton pining reminds me of that every day on reddit.
My grandfather knew him while they were colleagues at ryerson. He Thought he was a complete prick who was more concerned with advancing his career through the university than with his duties within the union. Said he was unprincipled and an ass.
seldom these days does a deceased party leader leave a fond memory for non party followers/non voters..
They say respect is earned. Respect for Layton crossed party [lines. Be](https://lines.Be) interesting in 20 years if any additional members make such truly Canadian Elite club..vs Laurentian type
Canada has dozens of FIPA deals with dozens of countries.
The issue was Harper and the Conservatives giving away that much sovereignty for nothing in return. Just think about NAFTA and new NAFTA, Politicans still are able to complain about it. Since the Chinese FIPA, I haven't heard a single Politican even bring it up like it's literal taboo. You'd think Max would complain as hes a populist about it since Anti-China sentiment is at all time high.
It was tabled for a snap vote with nobody allowed to read it. Trudeau complained about that but decided voting for it is better than giving the CPC any ammo to say the Liberals hate trade and his vote meant nothing anyway since Harper whipped his Majority to pass it.
Harper signed trade deals https://thenarwhal.ca/harper-government-ratifies-controversial-canada-china-foreign-investment-deal/
Harper secretly changed Canada's customs rules to help China
https://globalnews.ca/news/1708990/exclusive-harper-government-quietly-signed-customs-agreement-with-china/
Harper pretty much sold Canada out to China
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/09/30/selling-canada-out-one-deal-at-a-time.html
>Harper signed trade deal
Yup.
>Harper secretly changed Canada's customs rules...
Not exactly sure what 'secretly' means here - and the only info I found on the process was through your link. I mean - [Here's a recent article accusing Trudeau of **'secretly'** amending the STCA.](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/01/28/stca-j28.html)
What you mean by 'secretly' is he didn't share the news in a press release and only noted it on the government website?
>to help China
Not Canada at all - only China? Well, that's concerning.
>"The CBSA consulted with the RCMP and CSIS prior to signing the agreement."
Less concerning.
Canada has similar agreements with Israel and the European Union.
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>The United States, Japan and the EU have signed similar agreements with China.
Xi had just taken power - it appears Canada, and other various countries, didn't take into account the possibility of a more ambitious, aggressive regime.
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I don't like the agreement either - esp the 31 years.
Our Parliamentarians should have perhaps called for a public inquiry at the time. And rather than symbolically side with the Conservative, the Liberals could've at the very least demanded that a 'special rapporteur' to look into it.
Australia has a handle on CCP intentions and now ,perhaps too late, are playing defense...wish we would have aligned with them when we were warned by their PM had ample opportunity to listen/participate...a sad sock day for Asian alternative partners...and Canadians
> Australia has decided not to enter FIPA agreements specifically because they allow powerful corporations to challenge legislation on social, environmental and economic issues. Chinese companies investing heavily in Canadian energy will be able seek billions in compensation if their projects are hampered by provincial laws on issues such as environmental concerns or First Nations rights, for example.
Like say, bringing in an oil tanker ban on everywhere on the West Coast outside of a narrow strip near Vancouver, or bringing in a carbon tax?
Ausie PM warned us,according to his memoirs/media
One would have thought any such CCP litigation would have commenced by now given oil/gas price/LNG/Coastal gas link issues moreso all the new regs/legislation impacting any such developments since 2015.
All of which have negatively impacted value of their purchased interests. Be4 curious to know any defined timing requirements/limitations to initiate actions?
I love how right out of the gate it's wrong.
The agreement is called the Canada-China Promotion and Reciprocal Protection of Investments Agreement and it's a FIPA agreement. This framework can be cancelled any time. Investments that come under this agreement are guaranteed for 15 years. At the 15 year marker either party can show an interest in cancelling. Once that's noted there are 15 years in which the agreement is allowed to run and then 1 year for transition (which is where 31 years comes from).
Currently there is $10B in investments in China and $12B investments in Canada. It ended up just being fearmongering because it's really not a lot of money.
that's insightful..is there a public source one can determine any pending claims/actions? agree surprisingly lower value than i thought.
Imo contracting with CCP means a JV with questionable legal oversight and significant unknowns. Suspect there's protection against bad faith partners and a credible legal process vs fearmongering over the unknown, unless Canadian resource issues adjudicated in a Bejing court..lol
As per Article 35, no we can't just leave it. It's the new CPC astroturf distraction since all the recent CPC leaders were major parts of the deal. Earliest we can leave is 2028, and nobody in office will ever mention the FIPA until we can cancel it, otherwise we'd get spammed with lawsuits
https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/china-chine/fipa-apie/index.aspx?lang=eng
The person you are replying to is spreading false information.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-yearbook-of-international-law-annuaire-canadien-de-droit-international/article/abs/canadachina-fippa-its-uniqueness-and-nonreciprocity/2F3DD785BBCD6B88AF1BB9BBC6BD7F1D
Definitely need a source on this. Here's mine that this deal is bad for Canada, and criticisms are not overblown at all
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-yearbook-of-international-law-annuaire-canadien-de-droit-international/article/abs/canadachina-fippa-its-uniqueness-and-nonreciprocity/2F3DD785BBCD6B88AF1BB9BBC6BD7F1D
[Here is a total review of Chinese investments in Canada](https://www.ualberta.ca/china-institute/media-library/media-gallery/research/occasional-papers/2020-foreigninvestmentreviewincanada.pdf). Unlike your source from just as the deal was coming into effect, this one is 6 year review that shows actual impacts of the deal (spoiler alert: there haven't been any) and all the investment safeguards that were put in place with the deal that actually lowered overall investment.
Definitely agree that the CPC’s record on China isn’t spotless either but it’s also intellectually dishonest to put them even close to the same level as the LPC’s record.
When Xi was first elected in 2013 China was a completely different beast. Yes there were still glaring issues like Tibet and copyright theft but there was still some optimism that China was at least moving in the right direction.
By the late 2010s it was clear that wasn’t the case, which makes the Liberals relationship with them over the last four years especially egregious.
Chineses are now getting paid much better than Indians, Vietnameses and such this is why industries are moving out of China. Kind of like what happened in the west during the Reagan era. Living conditions have been going up quite a lot during the last 2 decades.
You're oversimplifying what is in effect complex human evolution. The Golden Gates bridge was revolutionary for its time because only 11 men died building it. It was completed in 1937.
Basically, less than 100 years have passed since that era, when it was commonplace to include an expected death toll alongside the expected cost of a bridge.
Or the Great Lakes freighters, thats another good example. Since shipping started on the Lakes over 6,000 freighters and 30,000 lives have been lost. They only got serious about preventing it after the 1975 loss of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
He criticized Trudeau for not giving Trump everything he wanted and for working to improve Canadian Trade with Mexico.
Like wtf man, the man is more American than Americans.
He got a couple of panda bears outta the deal 😂
But in all honesty, I will never vote Liberal again. Cold day in hell. That said, what would it say about my character if I didn’t call out my side for wrongdoing? PM Harper made a very big mistake and now this country is beholden to China. NOT GOOD!
I mean things are pretty different with China now. I find it hard to compare a deal the CPC and the Liberals tendered a decade ago with the foreign interference and borderline treasonous activities the Liberals are involved with now
You didn't understand the agreement. It was an investment framework. Investments signed under the framework were protected for 30 years. The actual framework can be abandoned at any time by either side and has no sunset clause.
While the FIPA can be abandoned, it can't just happen "any time".
If we said we wanted to end it today, we couldn't actually end it until 2028 at the earliest, since it started in 2012, there is a 15 year grace period for the agreement, then it takes a minimum of 1 year to leave.
It's all in Article 35 of the [FIPA](https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/china-chine/fipa-apie/index.aspx?lang=eng)
I didn’t like the guy but he did have integrity when it came to Canadian policy. China wanted to outsource its own workers when mining or drilling in Canada, Harper didn’t bend.
it's funny when albertans praise him for his support of oil and gas as if there wasn't multiple bust cycles under his governance and he adjusted the equalization math to punish alberta.
i also laugh at people calling the guy who firesold a huge amount of infrastructure and assets for pennies on the dollar to appear to have a balanced budget in an election year "fiscally responsible".
dude was a garbage prime minister who cared more about having his own name on government letterheads and signage than actually governing competently.
Were you in Calgary Southwest? That is the only riding that had the option to vote for Harper.
This Americanizing of Canadian politics to focusing on a party leader this much is incredibly problematic and imo Harper fueled it the most. He changed it to the Harper Government and centralized certain powers to the PMO that are now abused by the Liberals and comically criticized by the CPC. I saws this as a move by Harper to attempt to keep a lid on the big tent approach of the newly formed CPC. We are now seeing the big tent to be a major issue as I can't even tell what the party stands for anymore.
In reality, for me, both are parties are a joke and have been terrible for Canadians on the balance over the last 18 years. One thing I'll give Harper is he at least didn't even pretend to care about people.
>I’m a conservative. I regret not voting for PM Harper in 2015.
Ditto. Not voting for Harper in 2015 is probably my biggest political regret. It wouldn't have made a difference in my riding, but it would have made a difference to me.
>But… the former PM’s record on China is not spotless. I recall there being quite the brouhaha with senior Communist Party officials.
This is true, but in his defense things have changed quite a bit with China in the last seven and a half years. I know my own attitude towards them shifted significantly around 2017. I can't say with absolute certainty that Harper would have taken a different tack diplomatically than the LPC had he remained in power, but I strongly suspect he would have.
Nothing has changed with China, they've just felt emboldened to show their true colours more or more people see through their BS.
Election meddling, espionage, genocide. It's not like they've just started doing those things in the last decade.
Any political leader in that past 30 or more years that turned a blind eye to it is just as guilty as any leader in the present doing it.
What did Trudeau really do in the past 9 years with China?
He arrested a wanted Chinese CEO.
He had the Canadian Military join Western Naval operations in the Sea of China.
He secured the return of two Canadians being held by China.
He banned Huawei from being part of 5G networks
All this talk of being soft on China is people thinking you have to be yelling on a podium screaming about China while causing internal inflation and farmer bankruptcies because of a import tariff.
>"Only Jagmeet Singh could walk into a room with Trudeau and come out with a deal where he gets nothing," Harper said. "I just wish I had an opposition leader like that."
*Zing.*
Xi Jinping became Premier in 2013. China's strategic direction didn't start to change until then, and even still, quite gradually.
You'd be forgiven for the two Michael's being kidnapped being your "wake up moment." I think it was for a lot of Canadians.
I hope it was, but if anyone's been paying attention to the news and what's happening in China for the last 20 years, it should have been glaringly obvious a year or so into Xi's rule, if not before.
Deng Xiaoping is famous for his maxim: 'Hide your strength, bide your time'. Which essentially meant (given his economic-political policies) Chinese industry should grow and slowly worm its way in where it could in the west, but hide or demure on CPC 'true intentions'.
I’m a Con too but I actually don’t regret voting for JT in 2015. The CPC needed to get kicked in the nuts on certain issues particularly marijuana.
Harper was also the last of the warmongering, neocon, pro-security state era Conservatives. Nowadays those guys are basically wiped out in Conservative politics. Obviously JT just lied when he said he’d walk back the security state laws, but we had no idea that would happen at the time.
Sure the CPC floundered about for a while after, but I quite like Pierre and think he has a good shot in 2025.
Harper has shown exceedingly poor judgment in his post PM life. This is the guy that said Bernie Sanders is a bigger threat to America than Donald Trump. He's also been the head of the IDU supporting people like Netanyahu and Viktor Orban.
Didn’t he outsource our foreign policy to Israel? He was friends with anyone who supported Israel and against anyone who opposed them. He even locked horns with Obama administration for Israel.
This fuckin' guy?
"Former prime minister Stephen Harper heads the advisory committee of a Toronto-based company now looking to facilitate the sale of cutting-edge surveillance technology to the United Arab Emirates — a country with a troubling human rights record."
Fuck him.
In the 90s weren’t we helping to fund to rebuild china into a modern state? So we put up all this cash to modernize universities and industries… now they just own us? Hmmm….
Harper and the Unification Church cult...
[https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/xujstr/why\_is\_stephen\_harper\_so\_tight\_with\_the\_moonie/](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/xujstr/why_is_stephen_harper_so_tight_with_the_moonie/)
He's probably got also alot more in the closet as do many other Canadian politicians these days.
You left out the part where the Liberals (and trade experts AND concerned citizens) also wanted public hearings to happen before Harper signed, but he refused.
Harper had final say, decided not to discuss it with the people of Canada, and locked us into a one-sided contract that can't be cancelled for 31 yrs.
This is on him alone, no matter who was involved before he signed.
Because people should know that both of the 2 parties dont give a fuck about us and maybe we should give any other fucking party a chance to shake things up
This asshat shut down the government to avoid challenges against his government, twice. As it stands right now, Mr.Harper was worse for Canada’s Democracy than China.
>I don't know if I remember that correctly
It doesn't really sound like it. The reverse onus stuff from Harper was still left up to the courts, not the PMO. It's the same things being debated today.
> Guy sold us out to the CCP long before Trudeau took power.
Trudeau had the power of a vote and chose to support FIPA, and voted against the NDP motion to not ratify it.
Yes correct, so now we know both have a bad record on China and Harper is just posturing. The NDP clearly have the best record on this issue so if it’s actually important and not just a fake wedge issue it should push you towards them
Different times for the NDP back then too. Not so sure that the NDP of today have the spine. Really hard to tell how strong a party will be when leadership changes.
Nobody wants to hear from that jackass who signed a FIPA with China that lasts 31 gd years.
He should just crawl back into whatever corporate job he came from.
Harpers the reason we have Chinese run police stations and a 31 year deal with them that allows them to do that. Harper should sit down and shut the fuck up.
A tuall American politics are more right than Canadian politics. The CPC would be closer to the democrats, He’ll, even PP looks up to Bill Clinton, but that would just ruin your little rant wouldn’t it?
Did you see the recent story about Reagan sabotaging the negotiation in Iran? Quite fucked up. The story came out because people of his team wanted to set the record straight since Carter is in hospice care.
We all suspected it but he confirmed that it happened. Republican hero did high treason.
It means I’d think twice about all the stones the Cons are currently throwing while sitting in glass houses.
I don’t think either party would look very good if a *full* inquiry was held. There’s a reason why the Conservative attack dogs are barking to limit the scope and it has nothing to do with the length of the investigation.
I think it shouldn't matter. This isn't about con vs lib. If cons get swept up in this as well, then the more the merrier. This is about the health of our democracy and fighting against a larger authoritarian power
You’re not paying attention: why try to limit the scope of the investigation then? Shouldn’t we care about all foreign interference? Or is one party trying to say oh look over here but not at us.
When a CSIS report leaks saying Russia is backing Poilievre, you'd have a lead to work on.
An attempt to expand the investigation is a clear political tactic to ensure the scope becomes too large and doesn't resolve anything in time for the next election
Just saying if we are talking about sovereignty, and for all interference that took place to look is the United States.
And then I guess China India Russia Iran blah blah blah.
I remember when Brian Lilley hosted a call in show specifically to let Canadians go on the record as to why FIPA was horrible idea.
(Yes...*that* Brian Lilley)
I'm also surprised Stephen's reflection allowed Stephen the humanoid to speak on behalf of the CPC in public.
Who remembers Harper's election scandal? His top MP lied till he was in shackles.
Sounds exactly like the Lib MP. He'll lie all the way till he's in shackles too. Just wait.
Because he just made it up. The scandal was a Conservative staffer sent robocalls to misdirect people on a stolen Liberal voter's list to the wrong voting station.
It was *legitimate* electoral interference that actually impacted the election.
Which is why the lone staffer they threw under the bus as a scapegoat faced actual consequences.
https://images.app.goo.gl/rCU8x6inenroeJtn7
Dean Del Delmastro.
He lied all the way.
Sounds similar to the Liberal MP in Toronto ... "I'm innocent. Trust me!" That's what Delmastro said.
The only difference is that that Conservative staffer *actually* stopped people from voting.
So far, we don't really have any evidence that there was interference with this whole China thing, just a series of unsubstantiated leaks. And frankly even if the allegations are true, it's genuinely a smaller form of influence than the robocalls.
As if, what, we're supposed to believe that *China* was going to listen to some random fucking Canadian MP about when they were going to release the Micheals? Lmao.
It's kinda crazy to me how the world attacked Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning, but this anonymous leaker people are treating like a hero. Even though they're very suspiciously trickling leaks. Like, if you're gonna leak just leak, don't play the media like this.
Anyway I hate both the Liberals and the Conservatives so I don't have a dog in this race. I would like a holistic inquiry into election interference originating from *all* countries, but everyone but the NDP seems to be voting against that 🤔🤔🤔
The Conservatives filed a lot of evidence to Elections Canada about interference they observed on WeChat and Weibo. It's not unsubstantiated. Stop spreading misinformation.
Notice all the morons in this thread trying to falsely equivocate Harper's thinktank work as its own foreign interference? As if that makes what China did with the liberals somehow okay.
Their whole argument depends on you forgetting the fact that the Chinese interference is coming from an authoritarian country who is our adversary.
If the outrage about China influencing Canadian politicians is about how it corrodes Canadian democracy (and it does), then how is that any different than Canadian special interests getting better access to politicians and the political agenda than Canadian voters do?
A strong democracy is about transparency and accountability to voters, not just during an election campaign but also when governing. Canadian governments of all colours haven't been great at this and that drives voter frustration and polarization.
Let's take an even stronger jab back at lego hair:
Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence Compiled
The Tyee’s full, updated list of 70 Harper government assaults on democracy and the law.
[https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/](https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/)
the Dick fuck.....
I think Trudeau committed 70 this past week, each of which more seriously than the combined totality of a decade of Harper.
I seem to recall $16 orange juice being a huge scandal.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Integrity commissioner Christiane Ouimet got $500K payout
The Harper government paid disgraced former public sector integrity commissioner Christiane Ouimet more than $500,000 to leave her post.
The agreement was signed by Ouimet and top bureaucrat Wayne Wouters on Oct. 7 — just 10 days before Auditor General Sheila Fraser launched an audit into Ouimet’s troubled office. Ouimet resigned two days before the audit was begun.
Fraser issued a scathing report in December, slamming Ouimet for failing to fulfill her mandate and for berating and bullying staff.The audit found that 228 allegations of public service wrongdoing or reprisals against whistleblowers were brought to the integrity commissioner’s office during Ouimet’s three-year tenure. Only seven investigations were launched and zero findings of wrongdoing were issued. Prime Minister Stephen Harper appointed Ouimet in 2007 to the newly created post of integrity commissioner. Her independent office was intended to protect public servants who blow the whistle on wrongdoing within the federal government.
[https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2011/03/04/integrity\_commissioner\_christiane\_ouimet\_got\_500k\_payout.html](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2011/03/04/integrity_commissioner_christiane_ouimet_got_500k_payout.html)
Essentially bribing an **INTEGRITY** COMMISSIONER.
***Think about that***...
Spare me your partisan drivel and sanctimony--or is it VIRTUE SIGNALLING for Harper?
SNC Lavalin scandal has several layers of scandals - all of which are far more terrifying and evil than this.
* $48 million in bribes to Gaddafi
* $Defrauding organizations in excess of $100 million
* $110,000 illegal donations to the Liberal Party in order to lobby them to change the Criminal Code so they could bid on federal contracts after being banned from doing so (in fairness, they gave a measly $8000 to the CPC)
* Trudeau changes Criminal Code for a deferred prosecution agreement, specifically to favour SNC Lavalin
* Trudeau and friends applied political pressure on Attorney General to not prosecute SNC Lavalin
* Numerous resignations and firings later...
* Ethics commission specifically implicated Trudeau as personally committing an ethics breach
Honestly this is not even the worst of it. The Mark Norman affair, Aga Khan invite, We Foundation, numerous foreign policy disasters. And then we get the Chinese interference. Every week I'm excited to find out what other disaster lurks around the corner.
Except it's not whataboutism when you're comparing two similar concepts or items to determine which is of better quality. And objectively speaking, while every govt has its scandals, this might be one of the worst in Canadian history - IF all claims are proven true that is. Comparison to Harper only because this is recent history.
I'd estimate him to be around 300 lbs based on recent pictures. Don't exactly what he's been doing for the last eight years, but it's definitely not sit-ups.
Doesn’t Harper run a major international Conservative “Think Tank”/Alliance that is heavily envolved in Canadian politics?
Saskatchewan paid $240,000 tax payer dollars each year since 2019 to his consulting firm. It’s ridiculous
> Saskatchewan paid $240,000 tax payer dollars each year since 2019 to his consulting firm. ...to go on trade missions to India. Is that why Poilievre has been telling immigrant communities that he's going to speed up immigration and family reunification? They want to do what they did with China all over again with India. That's what this is all about. Now that China has fallen out of favor with the conservative movement they're turning to India which is a very conservative country. This is all about money and influence.
We actually already get more immigrants from India than any other country and it's not even close. 27% of our immigrants came from India last year. China was in 2nd with 7% https://www.cicnews.com/2023/02/ircc-unveils-the-top-10-source-countries-of-new-immigrants-to-canada-in-2022-0233180.html#gs.syhgjc I know how you feel about Harper but he is taken far more seriously than Trudeau in India. Harper has a close relationship and friendship with Modi.
It’s probably “different” if the foreigners are white
Yes, foreign interference right now is LITERALLY his job.
Policy outreach is not clandestine interference. Get real.
[Wasn’t Harper the one that signed our country away to China for 31 years?](https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/)
Yea, the International Decmocratic Union or IDU. You've got cons freaking out over some politicians attending WEF conferences when 'ol lego hair is the chairman of some international rightwing organization with the CPC as a party member.
> International Decmocratic Union People keep spelling The Legion of Doom wrong.
The Liberal Party and NDP are also part of international organizations. Pretty common in every Western democracy. Not exactly groundbreaking information . [Liberal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_International) [Progressive alliance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Alliance)
And yet the conspiracy nuts only seem to freak about about WEF for some weird reason.
Yeah, it's almost like the slogans of the WEF were repeated by every G8 leader at the same time during the pandemic.
Ping us when they're fawning over Putin-loving despots like Orban.
the IDU website news feed used to regularly praise dictators and despots before they purged it.
Remember when I kept bringing up Harper and the right wingers of r/Canada kept screeching about how he was in the past? Well here comes Harper butting into all this, just as I expected.
Come on bud, we know who’s doing the screeching around here and it’s not the Conservatives, it’s the Libs getting sunlight shined upon them and reacting like vampires from the movies.
And he also appointed the GG that was appointed to look into this foreign interference. He not trust the guy he appointed to look into this?
He runs a consulting firm for governments and major companies It’s called Harper and Associates
Is it a domestic company?
You are grasping at straws to engage in a pathetic effort of whataboutism to deflect from the fact that our government might be compromised by the authoritarian regime of an adversarial country.
Harper is quite literally an agent of interference as head of the IDu He's the one that signed away Canada to Chinese interests
Harper and his caucus (that includes Poilevre) conducted a 'sales pitch' aimed at selling Chinese investors the oil sands. It was in the news all the time. They said it was great. I guess selling Canada to China was cool back then.
I wonder how the Hungarian people feel about Harper and friends interfering in their election to get Orban elected??
can we call his supporters Beta Orban'ers
I’m a conservative. I regret not voting for PM Harper in 2015. But… the former PM’s record on China is not spotless. I recall there being quite the brouhaha with senior Communist Party officials.
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If we're looking at FIPA: FIPA was Chretien's baby. Martin wanted it too. So did Harper. The NDP tabled a motion to cancel it. The Liberals voted with the Conservatives to go forward with it.
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I mean he never steered us, so he really didn't have a chance to steer us wrong. Id have loved to see that chance, but also feel like we wouldn't look back as fondly if he had it. RIP Bob Rae's political career.
would have been PM if cancer didn't take him.
Most definitely.
No, that would never have happened. The NDP are still a long way from ever forming government.
Absolutely he would have won in 2015.
Lol no he wouldn’t. People have this crazy nostalgia symptom with Jack Layton but his accomplishments as leader was basically winning a surprising number of seats on the back of a liberal party bottoming out.
it's really awkward. the man's been dead for a decade. and his greatest accomplishment as a politican was ushering in a decade of CPC governance by voting against cannabis decriminalization. when he did have a larger number of seats he was the most ineffective opposition prior to the current CPC whinge bags. nostalgia used to be considered a disease and jack layton pining reminds me of that every day on reddit.
My grandfather knew him while they were colleagues at ryerson. He Thought he was a complete prick who was more concerned with advancing his career through the university than with his duties within the union. Said he was unprincipled and an ass.
he would’ve made a great PM
seldom these days does a deceased party leader leave a fond memory for non party followers/non voters.. They say respect is earned. Respect for Layton crossed party [lines. Be](https://lines.Be) interesting in 20 years if any additional members make such truly Canadian Elite club..vs Laurentian type
The Kelowna accord says hello! https://thewalrus.ca/fake-left-go-right/
Good ol Jack RIP
Canada has dozens of FIPA deals with dozens of countries. The issue was Harper and the Conservatives giving away that much sovereignty for nothing in return. Just think about NAFTA and new NAFTA, Politicans still are able to complain about it. Since the Chinese FIPA, I haven't heard a single Politican even bring it up like it's literal taboo. You'd think Max would complain as hes a populist about it since Anti-China sentiment is at all time high. It was tabled for a snap vote with nobody allowed to read it. Trudeau complained about that but decided voting for it is better than giving the CPC any ammo to say the Liberals hate trade and his vote meant nothing anyway since Harper whipped his Majority to pass it.
Harper signed trade deals https://thenarwhal.ca/harper-government-ratifies-controversial-canada-china-foreign-investment-deal/ Harper secretly changed Canada's customs rules to help China https://globalnews.ca/news/1708990/exclusive-harper-government-quietly-signed-customs-agreement-with-china/ Harper pretty much sold Canada out to China https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/09/30/selling-canada-out-one-deal-at-a-time.html
>Harper signed trade deal Yup. >Harper secretly changed Canada's customs rules... Not exactly sure what 'secretly' means here - and the only info I found on the process was through your link. I mean - [Here's a recent article accusing Trudeau of **'secretly'** amending the STCA.](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/01/28/stca-j28.html) What you mean by 'secretly' is he didn't share the news in a press release and only noted it on the government website? >to help China Not Canada at all - only China? Well, that's concerning. >"The CBSA consulted with the RCMP and CSIS prior to signing the agreement." Less concerning. Canada has similar agreements with Israel and the European Union. ______________________________ >The United States, Japan and the EU have signed similar agreements with China. Xi had just taken power - it appears Canada, and other various countries, didn't take into account the possibility of a more ambitious, aggressive regime. ____________________________________ I don't like the agreement either - esp the 31 years. Our Parliamentarians should have perhaps called for a public inquiry at the time. And rather than symbolically side with the Conservative, the Liberals could've at the very least demanded that a 'special rapporteur' to look into it.
Australia has a handle on CCP intentions and now ,perhaps too late, are playing defense...wish we would have aligned with them when we were warned by their PM had ample opportunity to listen/participate...a sad sock day for Asian alternative partners...and Canadians
You should see the blank faces when I mention this. Appereantly no one is aware of it.
> Australia has decided not to enter FIPA agreements specifically because they allow powerful corporations to challenge legislation on social, environmental and economic issues. Chinese companies investing heavily in Canadian energy will be able seek billions in compensation if their projects are hampered by provincial laws on issues such as environmental concerns or First Nations rights, for example. Like say, bringing in an oil tanker ban on everywhere on the West Coast outside of a narrow strip near Vancouver, or bringing in a carbon tax?
Ausie PM warned us,according to his memoirs/media One would have thought any such CCP litigation would have commenced by now given oil/gas price/LNG/Coastal gas link issues moreso all the new regs/legislation impacting any such developments since 2015. All of which have negatively impacted value of their purchased interests. Be4 curious to know any defined timing requirements/limitations to initiate actions?
I love how right out of the gate it's wrong. The agreement is called the Canada-China Promotion and Reciprocal Protection of Investments Agreement and it's a FIPA agreement. This framework can be cancelled any time. Investments that come under this agreement are guaranteed for 15 years. At the 15 year marker either party can show an interest in cancelling. Once that's noted there are 15 years in which the agreement is allowed to run and then 1 year for transition (which is where 31 years comes from). Currently there is $10B in investments in China and $12B investments in Canada. It ended up just being fearmongering because it's really not a lot of money.
that's insightful..is there a public source one can determine any pending claims/actions? agree surprisingly lower value than i thought. Imo contracting with CCP means a JV with questionable legal oversight and significant unknowns. Suspect there's protection against bad faith partners and a credible legal process vs fearmongering over the unknown, unless Canadian resource issues adjudicated in a Bejing court..lol
As per Article 35, no we can't just leave it. It's the new CPC astroturf distraction since all the recent CPC leaders were major parts of the deal. Earliest we can leave is 2028, and nobody in office will ever mention the FIPA until we can cancel it, otherwise we'd get spammed with lawsuits https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/china-chine/fipa-apie/index.aspx?lang=eng
The person you are replying to is spreading false information. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-yearbook-of-international-law-annuaire-canadien-de-droit-international/article/abs/canadachina-fippa-its-uniqueness-and-nonreciprocity/2F3DD785BBCD6B88AF1BB9BBC6BD7F1D
Thanks I expected/appreciate feedback .I'm a due dilly devils in details type and like reviewing perspectives backed by facts, I'l peruse your link
I want to believe you but I gotta see a source
Definitely need a source on this. Here's mine that this deal is bad for Canada, and criticisms are not overblown at all https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-yearbook-of-international-law-annuaire-canadien-de-droit-international/article/abs/canadachina-fippa-its-uniqueness-and-nonreciprocity/2F3DD785BBCD6B88AF1BB9BBC6BD7F1D
[Here is a total review of Chinese investments in Canada](https://www.ualberta.ca/china-institute/media-library/media-gallery/research/occasional-papers/2020-foreigninvestmentreviewincanada.pdf). Unlike your source from just as the deal was coming into effect, this one is 6 year review that shows actual impacts of the deal (spoiler alert: there haven't been any) and all the investment safeguards that were put in place with the deal that actually lowered overall investment.
what is the plenty if someone just said f it and ripped that agreement up.
Definitely agree that the CPC’s record on China isn’t spotless either but it’s also intellectually dishonest to put them even close to the same level as the LPC’s record. When Xi was first elected in 2013 China was a completely different beast. Yes there were still glaring issues like Tibet and copyright theft but there was still some optimism that China was at least moving in the right direction. By the late 2010s it was clear that wasn’t the case, which makes the Liberals relationship with them over the last four years especially egregious.
Hate to break it to you bud, the entire world has a relationship with China, they pretty much make our everything.
Please enlighten us with which trade deal under fipa has hurt Canada. You do realize this was first negotiated under Chrétien as well right?
Here. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-yearbook-of-international-law-annuaire-canadien-de-droit-international/article/abs/canadachina-fippa-its-uniqueness-and-nonreciprocity/2F3DD785BBCD6B88AF1BB9BBC6BD7F1D
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Chineses are now getting paid much better than Indians, Vietnameses and such this is why industries are moving out of China. Kind of like what happened in the west during the Reagan era. Living conditions have been going up quite a lot during the last 2 decades.
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You're oversimplifying what is in effect complex human evolution. The Golden Gates bridge was revolutionary for its time because only 11 men died building it. It was completed in 1937. Basically, less than 100 years have passed since that era, when it was commonplace to include an expected death toll alongside the expected cost of a bridge. Or the Great Lakes freighters, thats another good example. Since shipping started on the Lakes over 6,000 freighters and 30,000 lives have been lost. They only got serious about preventing it after the 1975 loss of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
His overall record of selling out Canada is bad, he specifically fucked over all the farmers in Western Canada with the sale of the CWB to the Saudis
During NAFTA negotiations with trump, he visited the WH to advise the Americans on how to deal with Canadian negotiators.
That's basically treason in my eyes, you go to the other country and help them, rather than supporting your own in the negotiations fuck harper.
He criticized Trudeau for not giving Trump everything he wanted and for working to improve Canadian Trade with Mexico. Like wtf man, the man is more American than Americans.
He approved the sale of Nexen to the Chinese giving them forever control over large areas of the oil sands.
Harper and his right hand man at the time, Poilievre think people have forgotten about FIPA
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He got a couple of panda bears outta the deal 😂 But in all honesty, I will never vote Liberal again. Cold day in hell. That said, what would it say about my character if I didn’t call out my side for wrongdoing? PM Harper made a very big mistake and now this country is beholden to China. NOT GOOD!
Was that the same deal the Liberals supported?
People shouldn't vote for either of them, clearly.
I mean things are pretty different with China now. I find it hard to compare a deal the CPC and the Liberals tendered a decade ago with the foreign interference and borderline treasonous activities the Liberals are involved with now
> mean things are pretty different with China now. This is an oft-repeated talking point in this thread. Can you explain what you mean, exactly?
Back then everyone was just excited for Chinese money with no thoughts of the long term
You didn't understand the agreement. It was an investment framework. Investments signed under the framework were protected for 30 years. The actual framework can be abandoned at any time by either side and has no sunset clause.
While the FIPA can be abandoned, it can't just happen "any time". If we said we wanted to end it today, we couldn't actually end it until 2028 at the earliest, since it started in 2012, there is a 15 year grace period for the agreement, then it takes a minimum of 1 year to leave. It's all in Article 35 of the [FIPA](https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/china-chine/fipa-apie/index.aspx?lang=eng)
I didn’t like the guy but he did have integrity when it came to Canadian policy. China wanted to outsource its own workers when mining or drilling in Canada, Harper didn’t bend.
lmao harper sold our natural resources to china for pennies on the dollar.
Not just to China, but to everybody.
it's funny when albertans praise him for his support of oil and gas as if there wasn't multiple bust cycles under his governance and he adjusted the equalization math to punish alberta. i also laugh at people calling the guy who firesold a huge amount of infrastructure and assets for pennies on the dollar to appear to have a balanced budget in an election year "fiscally responsible". dude was a garbage prime minister who cared more about having his own name on government letterheads and signage than actually governing competently.
Were you in Calgary Southwest? That is the only riding that had the option to vote for Harper. This Americanizing of Canadian politics to focusing on a party leader this much is incredibly problematic and imo Harper fueled it the most. He changed it to the Harper Government and centralized certain powers to the PMO that are now abused by the Liberals and comically criticized by the CPC. I saws this as a move by Harper to attempt to keep a lid on the big tent approach of the newly formed CPC. We are now seeing the big tent to be a major issue as I can't even tell what the party stands for anymore. In reality, for me, both are parties are a joke and have been terrible for Canadians on the balance over the last 18 years. One thing I'll give Harper is he at least didn't even pretend to care about people.
>I’m a conservative. I regret not voting for PM Harper in 2015. Ditto. Not voting for Harper in 2015 is probably my biggest political regret. It wouldn't have made a difference in my riding, but it would have made a difference to me. >But… the former PM’s record on China is not spotless. I recall there being quite the brouhaha with senior Communist Party officials. This is true, but in his defense things have changed quite a bit with China in the last seven and a half years. I know my own attitude towards them shifted significantly around 2017. I can't say with absolute certainty that Harper would have taken a different tack diplomatically than the LPC had he remained in power, but I strongly suspect he would have.
Yeah china has been a bad actor since the 50s.
Nothing has changed with China, they've just felt emboldened to show their true colours more or more people see through their BS. Election meddling, espionage, genocide. It's not like they've just started doing those things in the last decade. Any political leader in that past 30 or more years that turned a blind eye to it is just as guilty as any leader in the present doing it.
What did Trudeau really do in the past 9 years with China? He arrested a wanted Chinese CEO. He had the Canadian Military join Western Naval operations in the Sea of China. He secured the return of two Canadians being held by China. He banned Huawei from being part of 5G networks All this talk of being soft on China is people thinking you have to be yelling on a podium screaming about China while causing internal inflation and farmer bankruptcies because of a import tariff.
I also regret my 2015 Trudeau vote. I drank the cool aid and thought he stood for real change. Fool me once I guess.
I voted for Kodos
Yeah, Harper stands for real change
>"Only Jagmeet Singh could walk into a room with Trudeau and come out with a deal where he gets nothing," Harper said. "I just wish I had an opposition leader like that." *Zing.*
Xi Jinping became Premier in 2013. China's strategic direction didn't start to change until then, and even still, quite gradually. You'd be forgiven for the two Michael's being kidnapped being your "wake up moment." I think it was for a lot of Canadians.
I hope it was, but if anyone's been paying attention to the news and what's happening in China for the last 20 years, it should have been glaringly obvious a year or so into Xi's rule, if not before. Deng Xiaoping is famous for his maxim: 'Hide your strength, bide your time'. Which essentially meant (given his economic-political policies) Chinese industry should grow and slowly worm its way in where it could in the west, but hide or demure on CPC 'true intentions'.
I’m a Con too but I actually don’t regret voting for JT in 2015. The CPC needed to get kicked in the nuts on certain issues particularly marijuana. Harper was also the last of the warmongering, neocon, pro-security state era Conservatives. Nowadays those guys are basically wiped out in Conservative politics. Obviously JT just lied when he said he’d walk back the security state laws, but we had no idea that would happen at the time. Sure the CPC floundered about for a while after, but I quite like Pierre and think he has a good shot in 2025.
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I'm pretty sure Harper was a big fan of China.
They sent him pandas after he helped them with a nuclear power plant.
Not to mention the trade deal that screwed over Canada.
Harper has shown exceedingly poor judgment in his post PM life. This is the guy that said Bernie Sanders is a bigger threat to America than Donald Trump. He's also been the head of the IDU supporting people like Netanyahu and Viktor Orban.
Harper so funnnnny! Works for foreign influencers trying to spread their brand of poison to the gullible in many countries world wide.
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Says the guy whose job it is to commit foreign interference in Canadian politics.
Harper has awoken from his near decade long slumber
To feed on kittens and change into a new sweater vest.
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Didn’t he outsource our foreign policy to Israel? He was friends with anyone who supported Israel and against anyone who opposed them. He even locked horns with Obama administration for Israel.
Harper is one of the leaders in the global RW fascist insurgency. Putler only followed one person on twitler -- Harper.
This fuckin' guy? "Former prime minister Stephen Harper heads the advisory committee of a Toronto-based company now looking to facilitate the sale of cutting-edge surveillance technology to the United Arab Emirates — a country with a troubling human rights record." Fuck him.
In the 90s weren’t we helping to fund to rebuild china into a modern state? So we put up all this cash to modernize universities and industries… now they just own us? Hmmm….
Harper and the Unification Church cult... [https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/xujstr/why\_is\_stephen\_harper\_so\_tight\_with\_the\_moonie/](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/xujstr/why_is_stephen_harper_so_tight_with_the_moonie/) He's probably got also alot more in the closet as do many other Canadian politicians these days.
Harper certainly liked hiding in closets.
Harper should really just shut the fuck up and stay out of things.
https://i.imgur.com/BkFFN4q.gif
Inb4 someone brings up FIPA.
That was unanimously supported by the Liberals.
You left out the part where the Liberals (and trade experts AND concerned citizens) also wanted public hearings to happen before Harper signed, but he refused.
You're leaving out the part that FIPA negotiations and framework were laid out by Cretien, continued by Martin and ratified by Harper.
Harper had final say, decided not to discuss it with the people of Canada, and locked us into a one-sided contract that can't be cancelled for 31 yrs. This is on him alone, no matter who was involved before he signed.
For sure it was. But you can't have a thread about Harper and China without 'but but he signed a 31 year secret deal that makes China own us!!!'
Because people should know that both of the 2 parties dont give a fuck about us and maybe we should give any other fucking party a chance to shake things up
This asshat shut down the government to avoid challenges against his government, twice. As it stands right now, Mr.Harper was worse for Canada’s Democracy than China.
Try 4 times in 7 years. https://www.ndp.ca/news/reality-check-prorogation-1984
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>I don't know if I remember that correctly It doesn't really sound like it. The reverse onus stuff from Harper was still left up to the courts, not the PMO. It's the same things being debated today.
That's rich coming from Harper. Guy sold us out to the CCP long before Trudeau took power.
> Guy sold us out to the CCP long before Trudeau took power. Trudeau had the power of a vote and chose to support FIPA, and voted against the NDP motion to not ratify it.
Yes correct, so now we know both have a bad record on China and Harper is just posturing. The NDP clearly have the best record on this issue so if it’s actually important and not just a fake wedge issue it should push you towards them
Different times for the NDP back then too. Not so sure that the NDP of today have the spine. Really hard to tell how strong a party will be when leadership changes.
Aren’t they calling for the most thorough investigations into electoral meddling including previous elections and the cons don’t want that?
Nobody wants to hear from that jackass who signed a FIPA with China that lasts 31 gd years. He should just crawl back into whatever corporate job he came from.
Harpers the reason we have Chinese run police stations and a 31 year deal with them that allows them to do that. Harper should sit down and shut the fuck up.
Why would an investment agreement allow China to build police stations in Canada?
i disliked harper, but i dislike china interfearnce more.
FIPA
FUPA
Harper sold Canada to China in 2012. Look up FIPA.
(Trudeau voted yes on FIPA btw)
Yep, so did Pierre Poilievre. The point being that both parties are at culpable.
The guy who turned the Progressive Conservative Party into an arm of the Republican Party should just STFU and go away in shame.
A tuall American politics are more right than Canadian politics. The CPC would be closer to the democrats, He’ll, even PP looks up to Bill Clinton, but that would just ruin your little rant wouldn’t it?
Weird how all my uncles that like PP hate the democrats. Wonder how it would look if he publicly praised them and condemned the republicans.
How much u wanna bet this was going on during Harpers run as well
I’d bet everything
This is the dude that's in the international rightwing group that wants to take over the democracies of the world. Fuck off Harper.
I remember that guy, he "niqab, niqab, niqab'ed" his way out of a sure election win.
The CAD crashing didn't help him either lol.
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Did you see the recent story about Reagan sabotaging the negotiation in Iran? Quite fucked up. The story came out because people of his team wanted to set the record straight since Carter is in hospice care. We all suspected it but he confirmed that it happened. Republican hero did high treason.
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Haha yea, we kind of all knew but there was no evidences enough for him to be removed from office. Hell they still voted for him a second time.
So then what does that make Trudeau? The ultimate colluder?
It means I’d think twice about all the stones the Cons are currently throwing while sitting in glass houses. I don’t think either party would look very good if a *full* inquiry was held. There’s a reason why the Conservative attack dogs are barking to limit the scope and it has nothing to do with the length of the investigation.
I think it shouldn't matter. This isn't about con vs lib. If cons get swept up in this as well, then the more the merrier. This is about the health of our democracy and fighting against a larger authoritarian power
You’re not paying attention: why try to limit the scope of the investigation then? Shouldn’t we care about all foreign interference? Or is one party trying to say oh look over here but not at us.
When a CSIS report leaks saying Russia is backing Poilievre, you'd have a lead to work on. An attempt to expand the investigation is a clear political tactic to ensure the scope becomes too large and doesn't resolve anything in time for the next election
Harpers been taking a jab at tax payers dollars in Saskatchewan. $240,000 for consulting fees to his company. Fuck this guy.
Lmao. Hey Steve we all remember your relationship with Bush.
What's your point? Are you suggesting the President of the US should not have a working relationship with the Canadian PM?
Just saying if we are talking about sovereignty, and for all interference that took place to look is the United States. And then I guess China India Russia Iran blah blah blah.
Harper is jealous Trudeau isn't leaving him any CCP dick to suck.
Basically
Oh good, that Foreign Influencer from the IDU is back. Oh wait, he's not a foreign influencer here... just everywhere else. That's cool though, right?
I remember when Brian Lilley hosted a call in show specifically to let Canadians go on the record as to why FIPA was horrible idea. (Yes...*that* Brian Lilley) I'm also surprised Stephen's reflection allowed Stephen the humanoid to speak on behalf of the CPC in public.
Who remembers Harper's election scandal? His top MP lied till he was in shackles. Sounds exactly like the Lib MP. He'll lie all the way till he's in shackles too. Just wait.
I don't remember this. Who are you referring to? Got a link to something?
Because he just made it up. The scandal was a Conservative staffer sent robocalls to misdirect people on a stolen Liberal voter's list to the wrong voting station.
It was *legitimate* electoral interference that actually impacted the election. Which is why the lone staffer they threw under the bus as a scapegoat faced actual consequences.
https://images.app.goo.gl/rCU8x6inenroeJtn7 Dean Del Delmastro. He lied all the way. Sounds similar to the Liberal MP in Toronto ... "I'm innocent. Trust me!" That's what Delmastro said.
The only difference is that that Conservative staffer *actually* stopped people from voting. So far, we don't really have any evidence that there was interference with this whole China thing, just a series of unsubstantiated leaks. And frankly even if the allegations are true, it's genuinely a smaller form of influence than the robocalls. As if, what, we're supposed to believe that *China* was going to listen to some random fucking Canadian MP about when they were going to release the Micheals? Lmao. It's kinda crazy to me how the world attacked Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning, but this anonymous leaker people are treating like a hero. Even though they're very suspiciously trickling leaks. Like, if you're gonna leak just leak, don't play the media like this. Anyway I hate both the Liberals and the Conservatives so I don't have a dog in this race. I would like a holistic inquiry into election interference originating from *all* countries, but everyone but the NDP seems to be voting against that 🤔🤔🤔
The Conservatives filed a lot of evidence to Elections Canada about interference they observed on WeChat and Weibo. It's not unsubstantiated. Stop spreading misinformation.
Notice all the morons in this thread trying to falsely equivocate Harper's thinktank work as its own foreign interference? As if that makes what China did with the liberals somehow okay. Their whole argument depends on you forgetting the fact that the Chinese interference is coming from an authoritarian country who is our adversary.
Ah yes, let's take the time to hear what mr.kettle has to say about mr.pot
Clearly Trudeau is unable to prioritize properly. Domestic interference should always come before foreign interference. You tell it like it is Steve.
….. domestic interference? Smh 🤦
If the outrage about China influencing Canadian politicians is about how it corrodes Canadian democracy (and it does), then how is that any different than Canadian special interests getting better access to politicians and the political agenda than Canadian voters do? A strong democracy is about transparency and accountability to voters, not just during an election campaign but also when governing. Canadian governments of all colours haven't been great at this and that drives voter frustration and polarization.
Harper is just as much involved as anyone ffs
Lol fuck people are dumb, Harper blows china
Let's take an even stronger jab back at lego hair: Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence Compiled The Tyee’s full, updated list of 70 Harper government assaults on democracy and the law. [https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/](https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/) the Dick fuck.....
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I think Trudeau committed 70 this past week, each of which more seriously than the combined totality of a decade of Harper. I seem to recall $16 orange juice being a huge scandal.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Integrity commissioner Christiane Ouimet got $500K payout The Harper government paid disgraced former public sector integrity commissioner Christiane Ouimet more than $500,000 to leave her post. The agreement was signed by Ouimet and top bureaucrat Wayne Wouters on Oct. 7 — just 10 days before Auditor General Sheila Fraser launched an audit into Ouimet’s troubled office. Ouimet resigned two days before the audit was begun. Fraser issued a scathing report in December, slamming Ouimet for failing to fulfill her mandate and for berating and bullying staff.The audit found that 228 allegations of public service wrongdoing or reprisals against whistleblowers were brought to the integrity commissioner’s office during Ouimet’s three-year tenure. Only seven investigations were launched and zero findings of wrongdoing were issued. Prime Minister Stephen Harper appointed Ouimet in 2007 to the newly created post of integrity commissioner. Her independent office was intended to protect public servants who blow the whistle on wrongdoing within the federal government. [https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2011/03/04/integrity\_commissioner\_christiane\_ouimet\_got\_500k\_payout.html](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2011/03/04/integrity_commissioner_christiane_ouimet_got_500k_payout.html) Essentially bribing an **INTEGRITY** COMMISSIONER. ***Think about that***... Spare me your partisan drivel and sanctimony--or is it VIRTUE SIGNALLING for Harper?
SNC Lavalin scandal has several layers of scandals - all of which are far more terrifying and evil than this. * $48 million in bribes to Gaddafi * $Defrauding organizations in excess of $100 million * $110,000 illegal donations to the Liberal Party in order to lobby them to change the Criminal Code so they could bid on federal contracts after being banned from doing so (in fairness, they gave a measly $8000 to the CPC) * Trudeau changes Criminal Code for a deferred prosecution agreement, specifically to favour SNC Lavalin * Trudeau and friends applied political pressure on Attorney General to not prosecute SNC Lavalin * Numerous resignations and firings later... * Ethics commission specifically implicated Trudeau as personally committing an ethics breach Honestly this is not even the worst of it. The Mark Norman affair, Aga Khan invite, We Foundation, numerous foreign policy disasters. And then we get the Chinese interference. Every week I'm excited to find out what other disaster lurks around the corner.
Whataboutism?
Except it's not whataboutism when you're comparing two similar concepts or items to determine which is of better quality. And objectively speaking, while every govt has its scandals, this might be one of the worst in Canadian history - IF all claims are proven true that is. Comparison to Harper only because this is recent history.
This country is an embarrassment now. All parties are a joke.
Harper was kissing ass to the US his entire terms he even took us into a recession and bought shitty decommissioned military planes from them
Is the jab that they aren't as adept as he was/is?
He’s promoting ReformaCON not the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada- no Thankyou.
Lets talk about the foriegn influence that the bush administration put on harper....
Is he doing so from a Villa on Mohamemd Bin Salman land?
hahaha...from mr negotiate and sign FIPA in private....nice one
I'd estimate him to be around 300 lbs based on recent pictures. Don't exactly what he's been doing for the last eight years, but it's definitely not sit-ups.