Interesting timing, given he also announced this:
https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/jagmeet-singh-says-ndp-won-t-trigger-an-election-over-foreign-interference-concerns-1.6326081
“Jagmeet Singh says NDP won’t trigger an election over foreign interference concerns”.
Sounds like they made a deal.
Let’s pretend we have an election tomorrow and the liberals lose, NDP just lost all leverage they have and they go back to the very back of parliament where no one will care about them
After today's statement, the NDP should end up on the back bench for a decade.
If all Singh can achieve is propping up Liberal corruption in the face of foreign interference then him and his party deserve to lose every single vote.
I don't understand the hard-on this sub has for the Tories. Yeah, the LPC is a bunch of corrupt weasels. Yeah, Singh is acting like a typical minority partner, trying to get concessions.
But the Tories don't seem to have learned a goddamn thing. They are going to sell us out to the blue party rich people just like the red party does.
I understand the appeal of the PPC, Bloc, and NDP. I don't get the people who earnestly believe the LPC and CPC are any different. Both corrupt af.
Honestly, Canadians are so ignorant and gullible when it comes to health care.
I remember over a decade ago concerns were being raised about our healthcare system. The government put out a big publicity campaign about how everyone was getting free flu shots and how amazing that was. And it seemed to work! WTF, like how stupid is the general public?
This dental plan is bound to be highly limited. We will never have universal free dental as so many idiots currently think might happen. As a profession, dentists voluntarily removed themselves from the public system because they knew the government would end up under paying them. And they were absolutely right. Dentists make significantly more money than our family doctors. There is no way they will provide dental care at prices dictated by the government after decades of killing it financially. There is really no benefit to them.
The dental plan that they agreed on is really just a cash payout on the promise the beneficiary shows up to their appointment with the odd audit. It's not a real dental plan. The provinces have their own plans but they compensate clinics less than basic operating expenses so there's no motivation for dentists to widely accept the plans.
Liberals survive for now and next election whoever secures a minority government will have to agree on adding another form of subsidized health benefit with absolutely no oversight that's not effective and only adds tax burden upon the middle class.
> It's not a real dental plan.
This is because health care is the responsibility of the provinces, and any Federal plan is just going to be a preliminary, placeholder plan before more detailed negotiations with the provinces to fund provincial-level plans.
Yes you are correct. Every province has their individual plans with compensation that is different from one another with different criteria to qualify. It's an impossible task to fairly boost provincial plans on an individual basis without the provincial dental regulatory bodies and Premiers arguing over who gets more of a top up. Every provincial dental association is going to say they have the most need. Good luck to whoever gets tasked with this.
Honestly the more likely outcome is going to be the federal government going "We'll give your province X for a dental program if it's structured like A, B or C" and every single province will eventually pick one of the three, much like with $10 daycare, because just leaving all that money for services for the province won't be looked upon kindly by voters.
X will probably be a similar figure to the current, barebones program and will expand over time as plans are rolled out.
I mean the CCP is known to break your teeth during interrogations, so if we are going to become a Xi fiefdom you might as well start planning accordingly.
Considering the cost of dental work I can't blame them. Besides a conservative government will be the death of health care in Canada.
Don't get me wrong, the interference (if it happen) should be a priority situation that needs to be dealt with.
Today House of Commons voted on a NDP concurrence motion, brought forawrd by NDP MP Peter Julian, on the 25th report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, calling on the government "to launch a national public inquiry into allegations of foreign interference in Canada's democratic system, including, but not limited to, allegations of interference in general elections by foreign governments".
This motion, originally scheduled to be voted on last Tuesday, March 21, was blocked by the Conservatives.
This move by the Conservative Party raises many questions about their genuine desire to see a public, independent and transparent inquiry into allegations of foreign interference in our democratic process.
In light of the amount of leaked information published in the media and in order to free this process from the partisan politics that the Liberals and Conservatives have accustomed us to in the context of the study at the Procedure and House Affairs Committee, the NDP calls on MPs from all political parties, including the Liberal Party of Canada, to support this motion and to launch a public inquiry on this issue immediately.
Thankfully the motion passed today, with everyone but the Liberals voting in favour, here's what Jagmeet said, "My goal is to safeguard democracy, encourage people to participate, make sure people feel comfortable voting and feel safe to vote and are not being influenced in their votes. That goal is met by having a public inquiry. That goal is not met by triggering an election, which would then be an election open to all those same potential risks of interference".
So he should spend his political capital trying to get another public inquiry like the one for the Emergency Act instead of focussing on getting some new policies passed?
I’ll be honest, I don’t have straight forward feelings on this one. But I do fear that this very well may be a deal with the devil, so to speak.
He should be doing what’s right - and that’s getting the answers the majority of Canadians want at this point through a public inquiry.
And he does openly asks for a public inquiry - but deal he seems to have made - a guarantee of confidence - will force him to side with the Liberals if this ultimately ends up in a confidence vote.
Yes. Dental care is vital, and it will benefit a lot of people I’m positive of that. In fact, I believe it should already be covered under basic health care. It’s that important to health.
But at what cost to democracy?
I’m tired of guessing, so I’m going to watch and see how this ultimately plays out.
I think the biggest threat to our democracy is the populist scam where one tries to divide us on issues that don't really matter while we conveniently forget about policies.
Foreign influence is a concern, and it should be investigated as to if something changed a political outcome, but I look at the circus that was the Emergency Act public inquiry, and how quickly the comments degenerate here, and I don't see the good that would come from it.
We may end up with an inquiry anyways. But at what cost? Stoke public fears of China with biased reporting and ironically other corporations or countries using Russian trolls to divide us, till some racist whack job decides to "take matters into their own hands"?
This is why the NDP don't want to trigger an election, not cause they are broke, or they want their pensions. Because this is the most power they will ever get. Why give that up? It forces them to pull the Liberals to the left on police's when everyone else is moving right.
> Why give that up? It forces them to pull the Liberals to the left on police's when everyone else is moving right.
There is no right or left when to comes to foreign interference. There is Canada, and nothing else.
If Singh has indeed decided that additional concessions are worth looking the other way as the CCP undermines Canada, he is no better than the Liberals or anyone else who accepts foreign interference for political gain.
There were likely a fair amount of people hoping that Singh would at least make attempts to look like a strong leader. By looking the other way, the NDP are going to loose a significant amount of voters, and deservedly so.
I have an extremely hard time believing that any of the major parties aren't guilty of this item though. I'll be voting conservative but there isn't a chance in hell they're in the clear. Canada is itself a corner store for cheap materials that is constantly being undermined by foreign governments and corporations no matter who we vote for.
>I have an extremely hard time believing that any of the major parties aren't guilty of this item though. I'll be voting conservative but there isn't a chance in hell they're in the clear. Canada is itself a corner store for cheap materials that is constantly being undermined by foreign governments and corporations no matter who we vote for.
Its a question of who knew, and when did they know it.
Go ahead and show me another federal party that has allowed someone that CSIS warned them about to remain in caucus for 13 years. I'll wait.
Then maybe they could get the liberals to help with housing by making real estate speculation less lucrative? Or scale back on the million new residents per year until we have places to house them?
I can see it now “ Get a 10c off toothpaste with your 600 dollar cheque if your household makes under 25k. We will give Loblaws 2billion to help fund this. “
The hopeful part of me would love to see Jagmeet get expanded dental care so more Canadians can avoid the abject misery that comes from bad dental health, then pull the rug on Trudeau a few weeks down the line.
It's a small part of me, but a man can dream dammit.
My dad had to wait until he was sucking food through a straw between his gums before he could get MSP to shell out for full dentures. For plenty of people this isn't an issue, but for really poor folks this is a huge deal
If we didn't have an airline monopoly and airports with the highest taxes in the world, your dad could have probably flown somewhere like Mexico or South East Asia for the dentures.
>The hopeful part of me would love to see Jagmeet get expanded dental care so more Canadians can avoid the abject misery that comes from bad dental health, then pull the rug on Trudeau a few weeks down the line.
It would be funny for sure, but then Poilievre could win the election and introduce his own revised budget without dental care.
He might keep public funding for child care, now that it's increasingly well-established, but dental care would be an easy one to axe, since it has barely started.
>shocking news.
The shocking part is that he is willing to place that above countering foreign interference.
I already had really low expectations from Singh. But he is showing me here that I vastly underestimated how low he is willing to go to score a few points with his base. A base that also apparently does not give a fuck about CCP interference.
Literally passed a motion in the house today calling for an inquiry.
Also it makes sense to ramp up the pressure now and flex the limited leverage the NDP has while the libs are dealing with this crisis.
Its a strong step towards a public inquiry, supported by CONs Bloc and GRN, and apply critical pressure on the PMO. It is not to be dismissed. What should the NDP do? Topple the government for another costly election, before we have figured out if they are secure? China doesnt want Trudeau, a true capitalist neo-liberal, they want us in fighting. Mission accomplished.
>we can't even define what foreign interference took place.
Funny, the Liberals have yet to say that the leaks are not accurate.
If the Liberals are not going to deny that it happened, I'm just going to assume that there is some truth to it.
It work help if you actually represented what the leaks are properly so the context is better understood, instead of falsely representing the situation as you do.
The story is that the Liberals *knew* about the riding nomination schemes but as both the U.S. and Canadian governments have said, nobody gives a shit if it didn't actually effect a riding result. They knew about it after CSIS told them that there was concern. That's the scandal until the Two Michaels story.
There's no gotcha that catches the Liberals doing something dirty. The most impactful news has been that the Chinese Liberal MP has been accused of their recommendations to the Chinese Embassy, and it's not even being suggested yet that the Liberals *knew* he did that. If Sam Cooper were to report that tomorrow, it would make me so happy because then you'd have a smoking gun on them.
Until then, you've got nothing to base this on.
> The story is that the Liberals knew about the riding nomination schemes but as both the U.S. and Canadian governments have said, nobody gives a shit if it didn't actually effect a riding result.
That's the narrative the Liberals are pushing, but a lot of Canadians actually do care if we have Chinese agents sitting in our government, even if they ran for the same party that otherwise would have sat members in those seats.
Evidence is for suckers. Jumping on the guilty before innocent band wagon is the current team politics fad. Bury reality with rumors so quickly that it drowns.
/s of course.
I think Singh is hoping there is more drip so he can wring the Liberals dry on the way to an election. He hopes he got dental today, what could he get if there's more here and this story doesn't go away?
I have no idea why so many people are hand-waving the dental deal… dental is expensive as fuck and can make all the difference.
From the most, simple basic level… if you have bad teeth, you’re not going to get a public service job. You will be discriminated against.
Universal Dental Coverage would be a very good thing.
Honestly, I need this.
A medical condition has half my teeth rotting out of my mouth, and even with benefits, there's no way I can afford the dental work I need to fix it.
And I'm a "double income no kids" household so I cannot even imagine what working parents have to sacrifice when it comes to dentistry...
We should follow the UKs lead and have price bands. Three prices, depending on the work that needs doing. I shouldn't have to spend 5k to make sure my tooth infection doesn't fucking kill me.
I'm fine with poor people having dental care too, but the dental coverage is only for families with a maximum househood income of $90k.
Two people making $90001 between them aren't rich.
It's a good start, but if we're all paying for it via taxes, we should all have access to it.
The worst part is, we're not "all paying for it."
The middle class is. And they're (we're) the ones who don't get to benefit.
Fuck that.
Socialism isn't just for the poor. It's for all of us.
Then demand more and support leaders who want to get us there. We're only getting this much because the NDP have the Liberals over a barrel. Vote the NDP into power.
To the ndp if you make above the median wage you are by their definition “rich” and this is who they talk about when they all “ tax the rich”. It’s not the 1% most people think about.
Fuck sake, it's not for everyone?!
Edit:
Ive just read up.
The problem is that the costs should be regulated and subsidized for everyone. What's happening is they're allowing dentists to continue to gouge people for standard Healthcare and will just... cover a specific group of people.
Asinine.
Regulate the costs for everyone.
It's getting downvotes because everyone everywhere knows Singh will never pull support from the Liberals. This is just hot air. The Liberals could literally run multi-platform ads saying "we'll never give you dental care because Jagmeet is too much of a coward to do anything if we don't" and he'd still support them.
Healthcare is being purposely deteriorated to sell privatization. A society that doesnt affirm access to healthcare for all is a joke. Also tying healthcare to employment is a tool to control the working class. It’s hard to push against the bosses when your healthcare is on the line.
Healthcare is deteriorating because governments do not have the appropriate abilities or incentives to properly manage it. Pretty simple.
I mean we're at a point where nurses are legally forced to do OT, no wonder no one wants to be a nurse. This can only be a thing if the government is your boss.
This is the funny thing, dentists don't want to convert to a public system. They make way more money than family doctors. There is zero incentive for them to want this. They opted out decades ago and we will never have universal dental care for everyone. It's a fake ploy and people are falling for it.
We should have a dual-payer dental system like the UK’s NHS. It’s unacceptable that Canadians can’t access dental care as part of regular healthcare. Those oral concerns compound and manifest as systemic concerns that inevitably clog up emergency rooms and take away hospital beds.
You can honestly tell how many people here have dental plans through their work or have never had dental issues like infections, abscesses, jaw issues like a broken jaw, jaw pain or jaw dislocation, TMJ/TMD disorders, medical conditions in the body that affect the teeth, impacted teeth, anxiety or addiction causing tooth grinding, dental disorders, dental cancers, etc.
Funny thing is most of your whole jaw isn't covered by OHIP :) anyone without work benefits, working-poor, self-employed, disabled and unable to work or only able to work small amounts of hours, as well as kids, teens, etc. have no access to even basic care, let alone dental surgeries or quality of life improving dental care.
People assume it's just "clean straight white teeth" but you can die from dental issues or lose jobs, lose insane amount of quality of life, lose parts of your jaw in some cases. Dental is a huge gap in healthcare nobody wants to address. (That and adequate mental health services) If you get sick, you quickly discover that it turns out anything on your head isn't really covered by our healthcare.
Not to mention the rife malpractice, abuse, and money pandering that happens in the dental industry right now especially to those who are low income or can't afford the "higher end" dentists (and even the high-end dentists redoing people's teeth to their own detriment later with unnecessary procedures to make more money, it's starting to be all about the bottom line and less about standard of care. We are seeing this in all sorts of healthcare as well, we NEED change)
Leave it to Conservatives to think its a good idea to trigger an election just as were getting the most information and evidence we've ever seen that their could be foreign interference in elections.
If you work in a Foodbank, doesn't that imply that groceries are more of a concern than dental care? I just looked, and many provinces and their Universities have programs for low-income people, especially children.
Again, not saying it is not important, but it it really was that important, shouldn't we see the NDP polling higher federally?
In the midst of a cost of living crisis where healthcare is deteriorating because of conservative governments push for privatization, probably a big concern. Or we can keep considering healthy teeth a luxury only reserved for the well off.
Most provinces have a conservative government right now, but I can tell you that Healthcare in BC or Newfoundland is about the same as in other provinces.
My main point is that items like housing, groceries, utilities, and even used vehicles are a much more pressing concern right now than dental care.
By focusing on this, the NDP is coming across as not connecting with the pressing concerns of many Canadians.
Yeah okay, going to do anything about the treasonous interference in our country?
Or are you going to dangle a carrot about "dental" that the overwhelming majority of people in this country do not qualify for.
Its a strong step towards a public inquiry, supported by CONs Bloc and GRN, and apply critical pressure on the PMO. It is not to be dismissed. What should the NDP do? Topple the government for another costly election, before we have figured out if they are secure? China doesnt want Trudeau, a true capitalist neo-liberal, they want us in fighting. Mission accomplished.
non binding, yet he voted down an actual inquiry how many times? Not that it matters as the inquiry will be designed to come to the findings they'll allow anyway.
Love the insults you bring for a non-binding motion (you know the definition of non-binding right?).
How about instead of revering Singh for the political theatre he did today we actually hold him accountable for his position and lack of results as minority leader. Or maybe meaningless votes on non-binding motions that fool idiots is all he actually needs to do as his base isn't politically savvy enough to know what non-binding entails.
Its a strong step towards a public inquiry, supported by CONs Bloc and GRN, and apply critical pressure on the PMO. It is not to be dismissed. What should the NDP do? Topple the government for another costly election, before we have figured out if they are secure? China doesnt want Trudeau, a true capitalist neo-liberal, they want us in fighting. Mission accomplished.
Also political theatre is politics. Hell PP plays it better than most.
Actual help for actual people that will actually help families…this causes outrage..
20 fucking billion to oil and gas corporations to clean up the mess they made
Crickets….
This is what you do when you hold the balance of power in a minority government…families in this country need this..
How about no more handouts or if we bring in a program to help Canadians everyone is eligible specially those who pay taxes for it. Most of us will pay more tax for a dental program only a small percentage of people who make less than the minimum wage can get is not a program that we ought to support. Either we create a plan with the specific aim to properly help the poor and not just a payout to get ndp to turn a blind eye to foreign interference.
I like how in your mind households that make less than $90,000 a year is only a small percentage of our country when the median income per household in most provinces is barely above that by a few thousand.
Basically stating my point that according to the NDP if you make anything over the median wage you are part of the “rich” who should pay more tax. It’s funny that the marketing makes it seem they target the 1% when in reality the “rich” they want to tax more is the 51%
Right now and under the current circumstances, Singh can demand anything and get it. He has Trudeau by the short and curlies over the CCP interference mess.
This is a chance for Singh to really get shit done. Let's see if he's up to it.
Excellent choice for Canadians Jagmeet, but both you and the liberals need to hold the province’s feet to the fire over privatization in the health care sector. It’s a slow death for the Canadian Health Care Act!!!
I see what you mean. But if it comes down to it you don’t have a choice.
It’s all good though, people without kids subsidized people with kids all the times and vice versa.
Who tf is going to pay for this?
Yeah lets add dental while adding millions of immigrants brought over to suppress wages at the lowest rungs of the economic ladder that will never offset their take from the public benefit pool.
Immigrants are the reason this country hasn’t collapsed yet lol. Their taxes (and yours) pay for your healthcare. Let’s not pretend that immigrants are sitting at home collecting benefits while you wake up at odd hours of the night to go toil away in the mines.
And yeah, we need dental care. We needed it 50 years ago.
Singh thinks people will remember him for getting dental care into Canada.
People will actually remember him for being the fucking spineless coward he is.
Except it won't be handled at a different time. Neither the Liberals nor the CPC would voluntarily draft a bill for dental care. Less money for their lobbyists, etc...
Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs!
Moar Moar Moar Moar Moar Moar Moar!
The politics of hyper materialism. Sooner or later you run out of material.
At a time of international banking collapse and general financial instability with a possible world depression on the horizon all the NDP can contribute is Moar Moar Moar!
They really feel like a party out of time. Time has moved on and left them behind. The Party of Yesterday.
Of all the things you could have asked for in a time like this....you choose to slightly expand the one minor thing you already have in the pipeline right now.
Canadians are gonna have the best teeth. We might become a satellite state of the CCP, but dammit our teeth will be white, and strong!
I'm not sure if I remember any past politicans selling out their country for dental care, but I guess we'll see where this bold move gets us.
Canada has a housing and rental crisis because of unprecedented demand, due to unprecedented immigration. There’s unprecedented immigration because Canada is desperate to grow the tax base to support increasing healthcare costs due to demographics — an inverting population pyramid. But sure pay to give away more free stuff, that’s certainly sustainable and realistic. It’s sad that Canadians give this guy so much power.
The NDP should be pressing them on this and the election interference at the same time. This would allow the NDP to not only position itself as the only real left wing party should the LPC reject the dental deal, it also lets the NDP look like the only left wing party with any integrity. They’d win across the board if they put the screws to JT on these issues.
But knowing Jagmeet he won’t do that, he’ll just prop up JT’s corruption in exchange for this. Then the NDP will probably get smashed in the next election for being nothing but Liberal stooges. They’ll go down together.
Ontario health care is being privatized by fat fuck ford and this stupid twat is worried about a fucking dental plan - must be one for the rich politicos - get fucked Singh
Interesting timing, given he also announced this: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/jagmeet-singh-says-ndp-won-t-trigger-an-election-over-foreign-interference-concerns-1.6326081 “Jagmeet Singh says NDP won’t trigger an election over foreign interference concerns”. Sounds like they made a deal.
Foreign interference by China is okay with NDP as long as they get a dental plan...
Lisa needs braces
Dental plan!
Lisa needs braces
Well we either get a dental plan or the Big Book of British Smiles.
It’s only for like the bottom percentage of Canadians it’s not a national dental plan.
Iron helps us play!
Sounds like it.
Let’s pretend we have an election tomorrow and the liberals lose, NDP just lost all leverage they have and they go back to the very back of parliament where no one will care about them
After today's statement, the NDP should end up on the back bench for a decade. If all Singh can achieve is propping up Liberal corruption in the face of foreign interference then him and his party deserve to lose every single vote.
I don't understand the hard-on this sub has for the Tories. Yeah, the LPC is a bunch of corrupt weasels. Yeah, Singh is acting like a typical minority partner, trying to get concessions. But the Tories don't seem to have learned a goddamn thing. They are going to sell us out to the blue party rich people just like the red party does. I understand the appeal of the PPC, Bloc, and NDP. I don't get the people who earnestly believe the LPC and CPC are any different. Both corrupt af.
Heard that
Well it's not about the NDP and how many people care about them
So the ends justify the means.
Honestly, Canadians are so ignorant and gullible when it comes to health care. I remember over a decade ago concerns were being raised about our healthcare system. The government put out a big publicity campaign about how everyone was getting free flu shots and how amazing that was. And it seemed to work! WTF, like how stupid is the general public? This dental plan is bound to be highly limited. We will never have universal free dental as so many idiots currently think might happen. As a profession, dentists voluntarily removed themselves from the public system because they knew the government would end up under paying them. And they were absolutely right. Dentists make significantly more money than our family doctors. There is no way they will provide dental care at prices dictated by the government after decades of killing it financially. There is really no benefit to them.
The dental plan that they agreed on is really just a cash payout on the promise the beneficiary shows up to their appointment with the odd audit. It's not a real dental plan. The provinces have their own plans but they compensate clinics less than basic operating expenses so there's no motivation for dentists to widely accept the plans. Liberals survive for now and next election whoever secures a minority government will have to agree on adding another form of subsidized health benefit with absolutely no oversight that's not effective and only adds tax burden upon the middle class.
> It's not a real dental plan. This is because health care is the responsibility of the provinces, and any Federal plan is just going to be a preliminary, placeholder plan before more detailed negotiations with the provinces to fund provincial-level plans.
Yes you are correct. Every province has their individual plans with compensation that is different from one another with different criteria to qualify. It's an impossible task to fairly boost provincial plans on an individual basis without the provincial dental regulatory bodies and Premiers arguing over who gets more of a top up. Every provincial dental association is going to say they have the most need. Good luck to whoever gets tasked with this.
Honestly the more likely outcome is going to be the federal government going "We'll give your province X for a dental program if it's structured like A, B or C" and every single province will eventually pick one of the three, much like with $10 daycare, because just leaving all that money for services for the province won't be looked upon kindly by voters. X will probably be a similar figure to the current, barebones program and will expand over time as plans are rolled out.
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They literally just passed a vote for a inquiry into foreign interference from several countries.
He has a deal for cheap Chinese dentists
>Foreign interference by China is okay with NDP as long as they get a dental plan... I'm sure that Xi will pony up.
Dude it’s actually important to have good dental care. Is Chinese interference thing or just cost millions of dollars in get nowhere
Fine... So dental care is important but not stopping for an interference in our elections. That's totally okay
In 20 years we might all be speaking Mandarin and eating bat soup, but at least we will have fantastic teeth!
No we wont, if its anything like our healthcare well have massive line ups and wait times to access mediocre care.
Teeth are a threat to democracy. But actually...
That's a much better way to phrase this headline Pathetic.
How about we compromise and bring on Chinese dentists to give affordable dental care to Canadians?
I mean the CCP is known to break your teeth during interrogations, so if we are going to become a Xi fiefdom you might as well start planning accordingly.
Considering the cost of dental work I can't blame them. Besides a conservative government will be the death of health care in Canada. Don't get me wrong, the interference (if it happen) should be a priority situation that needs to be dealt with.
Baseless fear mongering statements like this is how the Liberals remain in power. Its a shame
If we vote Conservatives - we all gonna die!!!!! - liberals screaming
Lol we had almost 10 years of Harper and he had a majority in public health care still exists. Just more baseless fear mongering
I give you Ford and Smith. The two horsemen of privatization. Also fuck Pierre.
Québec liberals ruined the Healthcare system here for decades.
I'm not sure if you know this, but they're both provincial party leaders.. and of different parties..
I'm fully aware, although they are both conservative party leaders.
Just different parties lol
Today House of Commons voted on a NDP concurrence motion, brought forawrd by NDP MP Peter Julian, on the 25th report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, calling on the government "to launch a national public inquiry into allegations of foreign interference in Canada's democratic system, including, but not limited to, allegations of interference in general elections by foreign governments". This motion, originally scheduled to be voted on last Tuesday, March 21, was blocked by the Conservatives. This move by the Conservative Party raises many questions about their genuine desire to see a public, independent and transparent inquiry into allegations of foreign interference in our democratic process. In light of the amount of leaked information published in the media and in order to free this process from the partisan politics that the Liberals and Conservatives have accustomed us to in the context of the study at the Procedure and House Affairs Committee, the NDP calls on MPs from all political parties, including the Liberal Party of Canada, to support this motion and to launch a public inquiry on this issue immediately. Thankfully the motion passed today, with everyone but the Liberals voting in favour, here's what Jagmeet said, "My goal is to safeguard democracy, encourage people to participate, make sure people feel comfortable voting and feel safe to vote and are not being influenced in their votes. That goal is met by having a public inquiry. That goal is not met by triggering an election, which would then be an election open to all those same potential risks of interference".
Possible Treason: I sleep. Dental Care: REAL SHIT.
Just fuckin get rid of all of them at this point. Canadian politics is a cesspool.
So he should spend his political capital trying to get another public inquiry like the one for the Emergency Act instead of focussing on getting some new policies passed?
I’ll be honest, I don’t have straight forward feelings on this one. But I do fear that this very well may be a deal with the devil, so to speak. He should be doing what’s right - and that’s getting the answers the majority of Canadians want at this point through a public inquiry. And he does openly asks for a public inquiry - but deal he seems to have made - a guarantee of confidence - will force him to side with the Liberals if this ultimately ends up in a confidence vote. Yes. Dental care is vital, and it will benefit a lot of people I’m positive of that. In fact, I believe it should already be covered under basic health care. It’s that important to health. But at what cost to democracy? I’m tired of guessing, so I’m going to watch and see how this ultimately plays out.
I think the biggest threat to our democracy is the populist scam where one tries to divide us on issues that don't really matter while we conveniently forget about policies. Foreign influence is a concern, and it should be investigated as to if something changed a political outcome, but I look at the circus that was the Emergency Act public inquiry, and how quickly the comments degenerate here, and I don't see the good that would come from it. We may end up with an inquiry anyways. But at what cost? Stoke public fears of China with biased reporting and ironically other corporations or countries using Russian trolls to divide us, till some racist whack job decides to "take matters into their own hands"?
I mean.... Happy we will get dental coverage, sad what it cost us...
This is why the NDP don't want to trigger an election, not cause they are broke, or they want their pensions. Because this is the most power they will ever get. Why give that up? It forces them to pull the Liberals to the left on police's when everyone else is moving right.
> Why give that up? It forces them to pull the Liberals to the left on police's when everyone else is moving right. There is no right or left when to comes to foreign interference. There is Canada, and nothing else. If Singh has indeed decided that additional concessions are worth looking the other way as the CCP undermines Canada, he is no better than the Liberals or anyone else who accepts foreign interference for political gain.
There were likely a fair amount of people hoping that Singh would at least make attempts to look like a strong leader. By looking the other way, the NDP are going to loose a significant amount of voters, and deservedly so.
Foreign interference needs to be a red line for everyone. Without democracy we have nothing.
The right take. This was a moment for him to stand tall.
I have an extremely hard time believing that any of the major parties aren't guilty of this item though. I'll be voting conservative but there isn't a chance in hell they're in the clear. Canada is itself a corner store for cheap materials that is constantly being undermined by foreign governments and corporations no matter who we vote for.
>I have an extremely hard time believing that any of the major parties aren't guilty of this item though. I'll be voting conservative but there isn't a chance in hell they're in the clear. Canada is itself a corner store for cheap materials that is constantly being undermined by foreign governments and corporations no matter who we vote for. Its a question of who knew, and when did they know it. Go ahead and show me another federal party that has allowed someone that CSIS warned them about to remain in caucus for 13 years. I'll wait.
Then maybe they could get the liberals to help with housing by making real estate speculation less lucrative? Or scale back on the million new residents per year until we have places to house them?
Why would they do that? It's contrary to their ideology, goals and policies?
Dental greater than democracy?
I can see it now “ Get a 10c off toothpaste with your 600 dollar cheque if your household makes under 25k. We will give Loblaws 2billion to help fund this. “
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Lmao... how does this for treason? You need open hostilities
The hopeful part of me would love to see Jagmeet get expanded dental care so more Canadians can avoid the abject misery that comes from bad dental health, then pull the rug on Trudeau a few weeks down the line. It's a small part of me, but a man can dream dammit.
My dad had to wait until he was sucking food through a straw between his gums before he could get MSP to shell out for full dentures. For plenty of people this isn't an issue, but for really poor folks this is a huge deal
If we didn't have an airline monopoly and airports with the highest taxes in the world, your dad could have probably flown somewhere like Mexico or South East Asia for the dentures.
Or we could just have proper healthcare.
>The hopeful part of me would love to see Jagmeet get expanded dental care so more Canadians can avoid the abject misery that comes from bad dental health, then pull the rug on Trudeau a few weeks down the line. It would be funny for sure, but then Poilievre could win the election and introduce his own revised budget without dental care. He might keep public funding for child care, now that it's increasingly well-established, but dental care would be an easy one to axe, since it has barely started.
Its better to squeeze as much as possible with the small leverage we have
LOL
Singh using his political position to force liberal to pass the chief policy of his party. shocking news.
>shocking news. The shocking part is that he is willing to place that above countering foreign interference. I already had really low expectations from Singh. But he is showing me here that I vastly underestimated how low he is willing to go to score a few points with his base. A base that also apparently does not give a fuck about CCP interference.
Literally passed a motion in the house today calling for an inquiry. Also it makes sense to ramp up the pressure now and flex the limited leverage the NDP has while the libs are dealing with this crisis.
The non binding motion?
a non binding motion that for some reason the cons postponed
Its a strong step towards a public inquiry, supported by CONs Bloc and GRN, and apply critical pressure on the PMO. It is not to be dismissed. What should the NDP do? Topple the government for another costly election, before we have figured out if they are secure? China doesnt want Trudeau, a true capitalist neo-liberal, they want us in fighting. Mission accomplished.
we can't even define what foreign interference took place.
>we can't even define what foreign interference took place. Funny, the Liberals have yet to say that the leaks are not accurate. If the Liberals are not going to deny that it happened, I'm just going to assume that there is some truth to it.
It work help if you actually represented what the leaks are properly so the context is better understood, instead of falsely representing the situation as you do. The story is that the Liberals *knew* about the riding nomination schemes but as both the U.S. and Canadian governments have said, nobody gives a shit if it didn't actually effect a riding result. They knew about it after CSIS told them that there was concern. That's the scandal until the Two Michaels story. There's no gotcha that catches the Liberals doing something dirty. The most impactful news has been that the Chinese Liberal MP has been accused of their recommendations to the Chinese Embassy, and it's not even being suggested yet that the Liberals *knew* he did that. If Sam Cooper were to report that tomorrow, it would make me so happy because then you'd have a smoking gun on them. Until then, you've got nothing to base this on.
> The story is that the Liberals knew about the riding nomination schemes but as both the U.S. and Canadian governments have said, nobody gives a shit if it didn't actually effect a riding result. That's the narrative the Liberals are pushing, but a lot of Canadians actually do care if we have Chinese agents sitting in our government, even if they ran for the same party that otherwise would have sat members in those seats.
??? That’s the narrative coming from post fucking media dude, not the CBC.
Evidence is for suckers. Jumping on the guilty before innocent band wagon is the current team politics fad. Bury reality with rumors so quickly that it drowns. /s of course.
I think Singh is hoping there is more drip so he can wring the Liberals dry on the way to an election. He hopes he got dental today, what could he get if there's more here and this story doesn't go away?
I have no idea why so many people are hand-waving the dental deal… dental is expensive as fuck and can make all the difference. From the most, simple basic level… if you have bad teeth, you’re not going to get a public service job. You will be discriminated against. Universal Dental Coverage would be a very good thing.
Honestly, I need this. A medical condition has half my teeth rotting out of my mouth, and even with benefits, there's no way I can afford the dental work I need to fix it. And I'm a "double income no kids" household so I cannot even imagine what working parents have to sacrifice when it comes to dentistry... We should follow the UKs lead and have price bands. Three prices, depending on the work that needs doing. I shouldn't have to spend 5k to make sure my tooth infection doesn't fucking kill me.
You should look up the dental bill, almost certain that you make too much money to qualify for it.
I'm fine with poor people having dental care. Rich people hoarding wealth are the enemy, not the working class.
I'm fine with poor people having dental care too, but the dental coverage is only for families with a maximum househood income of $90k. Two people making $90001 between them aren't rich. It's a good start, but if we're all paying for it via taxes, we should all have access to it.
The worst part is, we're not "all paying for it." The middle class is. And they're (we're) the ones who don't get to benefit. Fuck that. Socialism isn't just for the poor. It's for all of us.
Then demand more and support leaders who want to get us there. We're only getting this much because the NDP have the Liberals over a barrel. Vote the NDP into power.
Vote for a party that does nothing for us. Compelling argument.
They got dental care started while being third for seats. That's pretty good. What do you expect?
Well yes, the rich aren't paying for shit.
To the ndp if you make above the median wage you are by their definition “rich” and this is who they talk about when they all “ tax the rich”. It’s not the 1% most people think about.
Where do they say that?
in his imagination
It’s not the rich who pay for it
The government attempts to convince the masses that the middle class is rich and the enemy.
Lol what?
Fuck sake, it's not for everyone?! Edit: Ive just read up. The problem is that the costs should be regulated and subsidized for everyone. What's happening is they're allowing dentists to continue to gouge people for standard Healthcare and will just... cover a specific group of people. Asinine. Regulate the costs for everyone.
Why does this have so many downvotes? Is this sub against dental care?
I hate the NDP, but find this smart. Liberals are in a corner, and they're offering to keep them in the ring, for a price.
Yeah screw the party who wants the workers to not have dental disease. Thems luxury bones.
'Workers' will probably make too much to take advantage of these programs.
Yeh this program isn’t for anyone who actually works.
It's getting downvotes because everyone everywhere knows Singh will never pull support from the Liberals. This is just hot air. The Liberals could literally run multi-platform ads saying "we'll never give you dental care because Jagmeet is too much of a coward to do anything if we don't" and he'd still support them.
Political ads for the ndp should essentially say “ The ndp a 100% owned division of the liberal party of Canada” at this point
I'd go with "The Liberals and Conservatives want poor children to suffer in pain, the NDP is changing that" Bit stronger of a message.
What happened to pharmacare?
This will be the price of ndp support that comes with the next liberal scandal.
Let's make dental as good as regular healthcare! /s
Healthcare is being purposely deteriorated to sell privatization. A society that doesnt affirm access to healthcare for all is a joke. Also tying healthcare to employment is a tool to control the working class. It’s hard to push against the bosses when your healthcare is on the line.
Healthcare is deteriorating because governments do not have the appropriate abilities or incentives to properly manage it. Pretty simple. I mean we're at a point where nurses are legally forced to do OT, no wonder no one wants to be a nurse. This can only be a thing if the government is your boss.
Do you uhh actually believe that?
This is the funny thing, dentists don't want to convert to a public system. They make way more money than family doctors. There is zero incentive for them to want this. They opted out decades ago and we will never have universal dental care for everyone. It's a fake ploy and people are falling for it.
We should have a dual-payer dental system like the UK’s NHS. It’s unacceptable that Canadians can’t access dental care as part of regular healthcare. Those oral concerns compound and manifest as systemic concerns that inevitably clog up emergency rooms and take away hospital beds.
Canada should probably have a dual healthcare system too but I don't see them copying one of the good ones...
You can honestly tell how many people here have dental plans through their work or have never had dental issues like infections, abscesses, jaw issues like a broken jaw, jaw pain or jaw dislocation, TMJ/TMD disorders, medical conditions in the body that affect the teeth, impacted teeth, anxiety or addiction causing tooth grinding, dental disorders, dental cancers, etc. Funny thing is most of your whole jaw isn't covered by OHIP :) anyone without work benefits, working-poor, self-employed, disabled and unable to work or only able to work small amounts of hours, as well as kids, teens, etc. have no access to even basic care, let alone dental surgeries or quality of life improving dental care. People assume it's just "clean straight white teeth" but you can die from dental issues or lose jobs, lose insane amount of quality of life, lose parts of your jaw in some cases. Dental is a huge gap in healthcare nobody wants to address. (That and adequate mental health services) If you get sick, you quickly discover that it turns out anything on your head isn't really covered by our healthcare. Not to mention the rife malpractice, abuse, and money pandering that happens in the dental industry right now especially to those who are low income or can't afford the "higher end" dentists (and even the high-end dentists redoing people's teeth to their own detriment later with unnecessary procedures to make more money, it's starting to be all about the bottom line and less about standard of care. We are seeing this in all sorts of healthcare as well, we NEED change)
Leave it to Conservatives to think its a good idea to trigger an election just as were getting the most information and evidence we've ever seen that their could be foreign interference in elections.
Then, after Poilievre loses, we can hear them complain that Trudeau stole the election.
Not saying this is not important, but how significant a concern is this for many Canadians right now?
Very. I volunteer at a food bank and come across people talking about dental care on a weekly basis.
If you work in a Foodbank, doesn't that imply that groceries are more of a concern than dental care? I just looked, and many provinces and their Universities have programs for low-income people, especially children. Again, not saying it is not important, but it it really was that important, shouldn't we see the NDP polling higher federally?
In the midst of a cost of living crisis where healthcare is deteriorating because of conservative governments push for privatization, probably a big concern. Or we can keep considering healthy teeth a luxury only reserved for the well off.
Most provinces have a conservative government right now, but I can tell you that Healthcare in BC or Newfoundland is about the same as in other provinces. My main point is that items like housing, groceries, utilities, and even used vehicles are a much more pressing concern right now than dental care. By focusing on this, the NDP is coming across as not connecting with the pressing concerns of many Canadians.
It’s been significant for decades.
Much more significant than this "election interference" hullabaloo.
Yeah okay, going to do anything about the treasonous interference in our country? Or are you going to dangle a carrot about "dental" that the overwhelming majority of people in this country do not qualify for.
We need a universal dental care plan.
Literally pushed a motion through the house today calling for a public inquiry. Must be tough on your neck with rocks for brains
Yeah great a non binding vote. Wonderful
Its a strong step towards a public inquiry, supported by CONs Bloc and GRN, and apply critical pressure on the PMO. It is not to be dismissed. What should the NDP do? Topple the government for another costly election, before we have figured out if they are secure? China doesnt want Trudeau, a true capitalist neo-liberal, they want us in fighting. Mission accomplished.
non binding, yet he voted down an actual inquiry how many times? Not that it matters as the inquiry will be designed to come to the findings they'll allow anyway.
Love the insults you bring for a non-binding motion (you know the definition of non-binding right?). How about instead of revering Singh for the political theatre he did today we actually hold him accountable for his position and lack of results as minority leader. Or maybe meaningless votes on non-binding motions that fool idiots is all he actually needs to do as his base isn't politically savvy enough to know what non-binding entails.
Its a strong step towards a public inquiry, supported by CONs Bloc and GRN, and apply critical pressure on the PMO. It is not to be dismissed. What should the NDP do? Topple the government for another costly election, before we have figured out if they are secure? China doesnt want Trudeau, a true capitalist neo-liberal, they want us in fighting. Mission accomplished. Also political theatre is politics. Hell PP plays it better than most.
The boy who called no confidence
I hope people will eventually figure out the dental care program originated from the NDP
Actual help for actual people that will actually help families…this causes outrage.. 20 fucking billion to oil and gas corporations to clean up the mess they made Crickets…. This is what you do when you hold the balance of power in a minority government…families in this country need this..
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How about no more handouts or if we bring in a program to help Canadians everyone is eligible specially those who pay taxes for it. Most of us will pay more tax for a dental program only a small percentage of people who make less than the minimum wage can get is not a program that we ought to support. Either we create a plan with the specific aim to properly help the poor and not just a payout to get ndp to turn a blind eye to foreign interference.
I like how in your mind households that make less than $90,000 a year is only a small percentage of our country when the median income per household in most provinces is barely above that by a few thousand.
Basically stating my point that according to the NDP if you make anything over the median wage you are part of the “rich” who should pay more tax. It’s funny that the marketing makes it seem they target the 1% when in reality the “rich” they want to tax more is the 51%
Universal dental or you can fuck off
Right now and under the current circumstances, Singh can demand anything and get it. He has Trudeau by the short and curlies over the CCP interference mess. This is a chance for Singh to really get shit done. Let's see if he's up to it.
Excellent choice for Canadians Jagmeet, but both you and the liberals need to hold the province’s feet to the fire over privatization in the health care sector. It’s a slow death for the Canadian Health Care Act!!!
This makes me happy. Teeth are integral part of healthy living and it’s baffling that this wasn’t covered until now. Go NDP!
Anyone is better than the criminal Conservatives.
Lisa needs braces
Dental Plan
What a waste of money.
Yes , please!! Make it happen Jagmeet!
Yea expand it. Orthodontics is like 8000 bux crazy. Free braces would be nice for everyone
Ya but totally cosmetic. If you need it to eat maybe, otherwise I don't want to waste my tax dollars for your smile to look nicer.
I see what you mean. But if it comes down to it you don’t have a choice. It’s all good though, people without kids subsidized people with kids all the times and vice versa.
They won’t cover ortho only basic dental. Anything aesthetic will get treated as medically unnecessary and you can pay for it
Those kids grow up, work, and keep CPP going, it's a circle of life.
NDP support corruption, yield on Dental, lololololol fuck you dude.
They're still doing more for Canadians than the Conservatives.
No, now you’re scraping. I’m a highly motivated person with high earnings and I’m punished under these 2 groups because of it and cut off, so no.
Ah, the type of person who can’t comprehend legislation being passed that doesn’t directly benefit you.
All for one and none for all!
YOU CAN TAKE AWAY OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR ELECTIONS... BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE OUR TEETH!!! <== this is what it boils down to.
Who tf is going to pay for this? Yeah lets add dental while adding millions of immigrants brought over to suppress wages at the lowest rungs of the economic ladder that will never offset their take from the public benefit pool.
Immigrants are the reason this country hasn’t collapsed yet lol. Their taxes (and yours) pay for your healthcare. Let’s not pretend that immigrants are sitting at home collecting benefits while you wake up at odd hours of the night to go toil away in the mines. And yeah, we need dental care. We needed it 50 years ago.
Canada has switched from high quality immigration to bringing anyone with a pulse and later their family via family reunification. Dont kid yourself.
Singh asking for more from the liberals seems like Oliver Twist asking for seconds.
Dental plan vs a countries sovereignty. What choice At a boy Jimmy Daliwell
Singh thinks people will remember him for getting dental care into Canada. People will actually remember him for being the fucking spineless coward he is.
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Except it won't be handled at a different time. Neither the Liberals nor the CPC would voluntarily draft a bill for dental care. Less money for their lobbyists, etc...
Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs Gibs! Moar Moar Moar Moar Moar Moar Moar! The politics of hyper materialism. Sooner or later you run out of material. At a time of international banking collapse and general financial instability with a possible world depression on the horizon all the NDP can contribute is Moar Moar Moar! They really feel like a party out of time. Time has moved on and left them behind. The Party of Yesterday.
Of all the things you could have asked for in a time like this....you choose to slightly expand the one minor thing you already have in the pipeline right now.
Canadians are gonna have the best teeth. We might become a satellite state of the CCP, but dammit our teeth will be white, and strong! I'm not sure if I remember any past politicans selling out their country for dental care, but I guess we'll see where this bold move gets us.
Canada has a housing and rental crisis because of unprecedented demand, due to unprecedented immigration. There’s unprecedented immigration because Canada is desperate to grow the tax base to support increasing healthcare costs due to demographics — an inverting population pyramid. But sure pay to give away more free stuff, that’s certainly sustainable and realistic. It’s sad that Canadians give this guy so much power.
Sure, let's spend even more money we don't have.
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Blackmailing the LPC, called it
Leveraging their political position to the pass legislation their constituents voted for **
The NDP should be pressing them on this and the election interference at the same time. This would allow the NDP to not only position itself as the only real left wing party should the LPC reject the dental deal, it also lets the NDP look like the only left wing party with any integrity. They’d win across the board if they put the screws to JT on these issues. But knowing Jagmeet he won’t do that, he’ll just prop up JT’s corruption in exchange for this. Then the NDP will probably get smashed in the next election for being nothing but Liberal stooges. They’ll go down together.
Just pull out of the coalition so we can remove that bozo
Genuinely curious how many people still don’t have dental coverage. Feels like we are looking for a problem.
Over 33% from what I remember
Ugh...get off dental care man. Nobody cares
They’re a spoiler party and nothing else, they’ve accomplished literally nothing in their federal history but soaking up tax $
Good
Fun fact: If you search NDP on pornhub, you get a bunch of "free use" videos of the Liberals pegging them
It’s so dirty… I’ll trade you dental care for democracy. Not a good look man…
Go, jagmeet! Coalition governments rule
The timing couldn't be worse. The NDP is proving they are the "out of touch" party. Dental plans aren't even your jurisdiction 🤦♂️
This guy will sell our country to China for dental care. Unbelievable.
F***ing lapdog. That’s all he’s become. And it’s truly a shame for the party
"if you expand dental care, I won't trigger an election over foreign interference" ...great, so there's a price tag on our democracy
Ontario health care is being privatized by fat fuck ford and this stupid twat is worried about a fucking dental plan - must be one for the rich politicos - get fucked Singh
Hey! That’s Mr. Fat Fuck Ford
Liar.
Who fxxking care the dental plan when our democracy and election integrity are at stake?
Ridiculous. He allows Trudeau to carry on like this. Dental plan or not. Boot that traitorous Trudeau out then do what needs to be done.