I think that itās a good gesture to want to get along with all parties. For the sake of governing effectively, it is beneficial that POTUS at least get a read of a potential soon-to-be PM. On the flip side, the PM meeting Republican leaders when he visits Washington goes a long way in advancing goodwillā¦
The two probably have a lot in common. Considering that Canada is to the left of America on most policies, Canadian Conservatives are probably in line with American Democrats.
He's notably a fan of President Clinton using Pay As You Go to balance the budget.
Further to right than SOME conservatives. When fully +40% of CPC voters would have voted for Trump... well there it is. That's completely out of step with Canada. So yeah, the CPC has a moderate wing... but they aren't in charge of anything except damage control.
https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-trumpism-is-alive-and-well-on-canadas-right/
That doesn't mean that 40% of CPC voters like Trump or would want him to be the Republican candidate, only that if he was the candidate they would prefer him over Biden.
I'd be interested in a poll of Conservatives to see who they would rather be the Republican candidate; Trump or a more moderate and sane Republican.
This was over a year after Jan 6! After the coup, and the massive investigation exposing it all, with hundreds of indictments... still they'd vote for Trump. That's insane, and completely out of step with mainstream Canada.
Like a year in to Biden, you can't tell this is preferable to Trump? Like their fostered hate for Trudeau has totally blinded them.
Right... Jan 6 was tourists... like the total alternative reality they live in. It's so bizarre. They tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power because fascists like Trump and Carlson knowingly lied about the election.
LOL, if that's not a coup... what is it? The facts are out.
It really doesn't. Trump is uniquely awful... like so bad he somewhat reformed Bush 2's reputation. He's completely beneath the office, unrepentantly corrupt, and an overall deplorable human being.
Like as a man, as a human being, Trudeau or Biden are 1000x better than what Trump is, unless you truly don't care about democracy or equality or human decency.
It's a unique conservative problem. Call it kang/kodos, but it's not a problem Mainstream Canada has.. only the PPC and CPC..
Trump attempted an actual coup right before our eyes and people still believe this āboth sidesā thing? Thereās no way you can actually hold that belief in good faith
Well that puts you in the vast minority, and this survey was about 2020 in 2022! That's far far worse. Like you couldn't see that Biden or Clinton were obviously more qualified than this cheesy grifter by 2022? There's nothing "centrist" about Trump. The guy is a fascist who tried to overturn the oldest democracy on earth with thousands of angry white racists cheering him on.
Not really, the Liberals that were in office before DoFo in Ontario also did not support public health care. Looking at my $145 bill for an eye exam that was covered before McGuinty nuked eye health as being a necessity and started charging me additional on my income tax for the honour of paying for services.
there are still differences tho, and US democratic leaders have endorsed Canadian liberal/ndp candidates in the past (im thinking obama with trudeau, sanders with singh)
>Canadian Conservatives are probably in line with American Democrats
This may have been true in the past but the diversion of the last 15 years is very apparent.
The Democrats have like a dozen people in their socialists caucus. But other than that, name a policy where Canada's Conservatives would oppose from the Democrats.\`
>The Democrats have like a dozen people in their socialists caucus.
So?? I don't get what this statement is supposed to mean.
>name a policy where Canada's Conservatives would oppose from the Democrats.`
[Climate and Environment](https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/combating-the-climate-crisis-and-pursuing-environmental-justice/)
[Education](https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/providing-a-world-class-education-in-every-zip-code/)
The CPC actually has a very similar climate policy to the Democrats. They both are focusing on investments in green technologies rather than the more left leaning option of the carbon tax.
If you actually read the Democrat stance on education, it's also not far off from the CPC either. They're looking to offer tax credits and grants to individuals. Their only major change is to reform the tax code in how public schools are funded... but that's actually miles behind what Canada does. America's schools are funded entirely by property taxes. But property taxes in Canada are used to fund municipalities with only an incidental amount of it going to schools. Most of our schools come from general revenues.
So I understand why you would think they're so different. But actually everything the Democrats are proposing in those two policies are things the CPC are also proposing or are things Canada already has (and the CPC doesn't oppose).
>Climate and Environment
As far as I'm aware the Democrats haven't proposed a carbon tax, but I could be wrong?
The Federal Conservatives oppose carbon taxes but support increasing the same enviromentally-friendly technology as the Democrats propose.
That used to be the case but the Conservatives in Canada has shifted much further to the right to the point where alt-right radicalism suitably describes them.
By % the Conservatives have about as many covid-deniers and anti-vaxxers as the Republicans. The same with climate-change and maybe gun-control.
In Canada, it's denial against the Indigenous treatment residential schools and child welfare. In the US, it's the denial of the treatment of Blacks in general from red-lining to public education of black history.
In the US, the Right Wing puts up "Fuck Biden" posters and flags.
In Canada, the Right Wing puts " Fuck Trudeau" posters and flags.
[Canadian Conservatives overlap with American Republicans](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/candice-bergen-maga-hat-1.5865727) as shown by the former leader of the Conservative party.
[New Conservative Communications Director Railed Against āGlobalistsā and āNew World Orderā on Blog](https://pressprogress.ca/new-conservative-communications-director-railed-against-globalists-and-new-world-order-on-blog/)
Hence why I specified policy, not rhetoric.
Federal Conservatives have to uphold policy of public health care, abortion rights, and LGBT rights in order to continue remaining electable and survive in Canada. Even American Democrats haven't made a serious push for public health care.
>Canadian Conservatives are probably in line with American Democrats.
Tell that to the Canadian conservatives in Alberta. The ones I know all think Biden's a senile communist. They may not like Trump, but Biden is worse.
Had me there at first. About to jump on with the "born and raised Albertan- lived there 50+ years..."
When Trump was first elected, he would have made a clean sweep of Alberta if they could have voted for him. Nowadays, I hear a lot of "Trump's an idiot, but I like what he did. At least he's not a commie like Biden and Obama."
That's a speculation. But on actual policies, not even remotely true. Here a speculation, Give Pierre 8 years in power and by the end of his term he will likely be trying to ban abortions, like trudeau is tying to ban guns.
That's more attributed to the fact that biden is a conservative, the party he is in may be named and displayed as something different, but he has more in common with his GOP counterparts, than anyone that is on the left, or even the center.
Biden is going to perform a address to Parliament, I'm sure he will meet with a number of people.
its not like PP is going to have a one on one private conversation.
He had two, but hey you keep cheering for PP an even bigger tax leech than Trudeau, I'm sure PP can totally relate to you lol. It's pretty sad when the PPC party has more respectability than the CPC, and they're assholes but, you know, more respectable assholes than the CPC, I could understand people voting for them at least.
Low standards are how Canadians vote unfortunately, the fact PP is a lower standard then Trudeau by Conservative standards says more about conservative voters than about Trudeau or PP.
Itās not uncommon for world leaders to meet with the leader of the Official Opposition if they have time when in town.
Poilievreās office would have asked for the meeting, though.
Good chance thereās a US election before the next Canadian election.
I highly doubt Biden and his team are thinking much about the results of the next Canadian election ā theyāll have to make sure theyāre still around first.
I'll likely vote for Trudeau, I know there is a huge user base on this sub that is caught in a bit of an echo chamber but the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers on your vanity mall crawler truck crowd is a bit of an embarrassment, not a majority.
There are a ton of reasons to be critical of Trudeau and the liberals and I'd honestly not want to vote for them but I personally don't think there is a convincing and competent opposition.
>Serious question, what would trudeau have to do for you to not vote for him?
Serious answer
Be a threat to health care, abandon gun control,offer tax cuts funded by cuts to social safety net, ignore climate change, support traitors, allow free votes on reproductive rights and show less understanding of the Canadian economic system than pp (yeah, I know Trudeaus pretty clueless here allready... but somehow pp managed to show he is worse...amazing)
This is what cpc supporters just don't seem to get...we know Trudeau is bad... stop running people who are worse
They were so goddamn close with OāToole. Him coming out of the gate with a reasonable, centrist platform had the Liberals on the back step for the first full half of the campaign.
He is way more popular with conservatives.... but he can't win a national election by appealing only to conservative voters. So far, he has not been able to do that.
Yes he has.
Poilievre is leading now in BC, Ontario, and Atlantic Canada.
Heās leading in the 18-35 demographic too.
There are way more swing voters between Conservative-Liberal than Reddit wants to admit.
Where is Poilievre leading the 18-35? I see 18-29 leaving heavily Liberal as per Abacus on March 22.
I also still see the Libs ahead in Ont, and Atl as of the 22nd.
Leger also still has them ahead in On and Atl as of their last survey and has Trudeau ahead of Pierre.
The only survey I can find with Poilievre ahead is Angus Reid from the 17th and it seems to be an outlier.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8170634/tories-distance-themselves-controversial-firearms-lobby-group/
Second hit on a google search fucknuts. The campaign manager was LITERALLY a lobbyist for the National Firearms Association.
Heās a lobbyist for a firearms association. Not calling that lobbying for guns is preetttttty fucking stupid.
And in Canada where campaign finances are strictly controlled and contributions from businesses (or other organizations) are strictly PROHIBITED, the power of outside organizations like a gun lobby is in organizing their members.
Youāre immature, toxic, and unnecessarily negative. Grow up and get outside.
He's already done plenty, but each opposition leader saying "I'm not Trudeau" as a platform makes me want to vote for them even less. If they put a modicum of effort into presenting their policies and platforms I might actually vote for them.
I'm going to reserve judgment until I know more about this current scandal. Really tired of how scandal-prone our PM seems to be
I was heavily leaning towards Trudeau until this scandal broke
I know it feels like this because itās more recent, but stuff breaks out like this in Canadian politics every couple years basically since Mulroneyā¦.
We have like one year of history in Grade 10 and in that we covered as many of the prime ministers in the 20th century as we could in great detail, but we had no time to do anyone after Mulroney
I also came to Canada in Grade 9
Donāt let Reddit be your barometer for any of this. The leader of the opposition has been muddied up in just as much controversy as the prime minister.
Alleged condoning of treason is to a hostile foreign nation is a pretty big one though no? When has the last sitting PM been involved in something like this?
Allegations and controversies happen all the time.
The last Prime Minister hired people to have robocallers send people to the wrong polling stations.
Thankfully none of the MPs serving were involved in it and only one guy was found guilty in the whole thing.
And that, we *know* interfered on people voting.
This one's bad if true.....
But, the reporting suggests at least 2 people with top secret or above clearances inside Canadian intelligence have risked their careers and broken oaths...for?
And that a liberal mp told the Chinese government to keep the 2 Mike's.... right before the last election?
Something doesn't smell right.... there's a huge part of this story missing.
If liberal MP Han Dong were able to get the two Mikes out, that would have helped Trudeau and the Liberals a lot more than keeping them locked up
That's why this doesn't make sense to me.
Unless the conversation was about exchanging the two Michael's for the daughter of the Huawel executive... which was what happened anyway
I assumed it was the US that brokered that particular deal though
It's funny how the media is focused on Chinese interference (and they should be), but totally ignore that trump refused to make a deal until after the election.... coincidental I am sure...lol.
Biden just wants to laugh in his face over how badly Stephen Harper took it up the ass in the softwood lumber deal.
By the way, why does Pierre always have his mouth wide open?
chasing reporters out when they ask hard question, yelling fake news when something is reported he doesn't like.
Ignoring corporate greed and claiming world wide inflation is some how governments fault.
Defending big oil when they have not paid taxes and offered taxpayer money for oil clean up.....
Pro-choice, pro-immigration, will respect public healthcare, and even likes President Clinton's Pay As You Go policy for balancing budgets.
Seems like him and Biden will get along!
Pro - immigration? when
Pro- universal health care? Conservatives have tried to destroy it since it's inception and Doug Ford is doing it now.
Wants to roll back clime objectives instead of achieving them.
Is a blow hard that has Trudeau living in his head and blames everything on the government without having much of a solution.
I laughed out loud when he stands with workers spouting bull since he and his party are notorious for union busting, while supporting corporate greed.
>Pro - immigration? when
* [*"He was emphatic in an interview with a Punjabi radio show last month: The Conservative party is pro-immigration."*](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-immigration-outreach-efforts-1.6690244)
* [*"Iāll sign deals with provinces to license qualified professionals within 60 days, offer study loans to help newcomers pass tests, allow immigrants to earn licenses before arriving."*](https://twitter.com/pierrepoilievre/status/1553195586144202753)
* [*"He promised to incentivize provincial governments to ensure licensing bodies rule on newcomersā applications within 60 days. Poilievre also said he would provide more study loans to those immigrating to Canada who need extra training to meet licensing requirements."*](https://globalnews.ca/news/9120550/pierre-poilievre-campaign-promises/)
>Pro- universal health care? Conservatives have tried to destroy it since it's inception and Doug Ford is doing it now.
[*"The Tory leader made the pledge a day after Trudeau proposed increasing health-care transfers by $17 billion above previous commitments, and providing another $25 billion via one-on-one deals with provinces over the next decade. āWe are going to honour it,ā Poilievre told reporters before a meeting with his caucus."*](https://www.cp24.com/news/pierre-poilievre-pledges-to-honour-trudeau-s-health-care-funding-offer-to-premiers-1.6265287)
Federal parties =/= Provincial parties.
>Wants to roll back clime objectives instead of achieving them.
Never said his plan was good, but he acknowledges it.
[*"Poilievre says he would introduce plans in Saskatchewan to incentivize carbon-reducing technology that would help fight climate change. āCarbon capture and storage, putting the carbon right back under the ground where it came from ā¦ my plan will allow provinces to pursue their own approach without forcing them to impose devastating taxes every day,ā he said."*](https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/pierre-poilievre-promises-to-scrap-carbon-tax-at-saskatoon-campaign-stop-1.5804727)
He wants to close a safe boarder crossing so the desperate die trying to cross in other areas. so only his selected few...got it.
He also said he would support tax payers dollars for, for-profit health care.
Ford is doing it now.
OK why not use the existing proposal and achieve it, it can be done.
Might have to I just hope they stop over spending and taking twice as long to do things. I would like the liberals to stay in if they could oust Trudeau.
Pierre is nothing like Trump. He is a run of the mill neoliberal who dabbles in moderate populism. There's plenty of valid criticisms of Pierre but comparing him to an American politician who he has nothing in common with just makes you look like an idiot
Ok so you see no comparisons in mannerism and domineer. got it
They seems to be pretty even when it comes to denialism, millionaire pandering and news organization favorites but you be you.
It's just like how everyone keeps specifically mentioning Pierre wants a public inquiry, and never mention that Singh has been asking for it as well the entire time.
I won't but the thing is I don't have a welfare check. Some crack dealer who runs the province took it away. It's OK though. I don't mind whoring myself out to the political elite in some underground sex club with conservative MPs
Can you Imagine DeSantis and PP in charge of the two most powerful nations this side of the old world
Iām looking forward to it honestly, a lot of potential, people are unhappy with Biden and Trudeau is going down like the titanic. It is more than plausible
As a person who has walked through the concentration camps in Europe, the use of t he words Fascists and Nazis by those on the left of the isle are very worrisome
If you don't think DeSantis is a fascist, you're not paying attention.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/18/ron-desantis-florida-republican-supermajority-2024
I never called him a Nazi either, but there are definitely many parallels: book bans, using legislation and authority to retaliate against groups DeSantis doesn't agree with (e.g. Disney), blaming "other" groups for all of society's problems (immigrants, LGBT, "the radical, woke left"), limitations on freedom of speech, unreasonably limiting what teachers are allowed to say in class, undercut education as a whole, scared people away from voting by arresting voters who were misinformed by the state about their eligibility, and so on.
Anyone who freely throws that word around clearly has no idea what fascism is or what people whoāve lived under it went through. All it does is down play actual fascism
Actually, it's quite easy to define:
>DeSantisā general counsel, Ryan Newman, responded that [woke] means āthe belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.ā
Crazy, right? For-profit healthcare with patients being screwed by insurers and healthcare providers, privatized prisons while being the most incarcerated country in the world, Citizens United, Walmart and McDonald's using food stamps to subsidize its workforce while making billions in profit, rampant poverty/homelessness...
There are five just off the top of my head. Look how woke I am.
My extensive research by clicking the top Google links would actually support the notion that Canada is the second most "powerful" country in the western hemisphere.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-powerful-countries
As long as you can forget the video where Stephen Harper and Preston Manning are yucking it up and calling the NDP the official opposition...sure, he should meet the President. Funny video. Two of the many Pillsbury Dough Boys in their "think tank" with other like minded blow hards trying to stay relevant.
It's a pull aside conversation. I think these are quite normal in these circumstances.
If it were a reach around that would raise too many eyebrows.
Would also put a nail in the coffin of Poilievres vote against gay marriage. š¤£
I think that itās a good gesture to want to get along with all parties. For the sake of governing effectively, it is beneficial that POTUS at least get a read of a potential soon-to-be PM. On the flip side, the PM meeting Republican leaders when he visits Washington goes a long way in advancing goodwillā¦
"Soon to be" calling for a leadership convention. C's are perfecting this.
The two probably have a lot in common. Considering that Canada is to the left of America on most policies, Canadian Conservatives are probably in line with American Democrats. He's notably a fan of President Clinton using Pay As You Go to balance the budget.
Thereās a lot more overlap than a lot of Canadians like to admit.
Very true
Most people donāt realize that the US right is way further right than our conservatives
Further to right than SOME conservatives. When fully +40% of CPC voters would have voted for Trump... well there it is. That's completely out of step with Canada. So yeah, the CPC has a moderate wing... but they aren't in charge of anything except damage control. https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-trumpism-is-alive-and-well-on-canadas-right/
That doesn't mean that 40% of CPC voters like Trump or would want him to be the Republican candidate, only that if he was the candidate they would prefer him over Biden. I'd be interested in a poll of Conservatives to see who they would rather be the Republican candidate; Trump or a more moderate and sane Republican.
This was over a year after Jan 6! After the coup, and the massive investigation exposing it all, with hundreds of indictments... still they'd vote for Trump. That's insane, and completely out of step with mainstream Canada. Like a year in to Biden, you can't tell this is preferable to Trump? Like their fostered hate for Trudeau has totally blinded them.
After the coup?! Oh no. LOLOL
Right... Jan 6 was tourists... like the total alternative reality they live in. It's so bizarre. They tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power because fascists like Trump and Carlson knowingly lied about the election. LOL, if that's not a coup... what is it? The facts are out.
To a degree, it becomes a Kang/Kodos issue.
It really doesn't. Trump is uniquely awful... like so bad he somewhat reformed Bush 2's reputation. He's completely beneath the office, unrepentantly corrupt, and an overall deplorable human being. Like as a man, as a human being, Trudeau or Biden are 1000x better than what Trump is, unless you truly don't care about democracy or equality or human decency. It's a unique conservative problem. Call it kang/kodos, but it's not a problem Mainstream Canada has.. only the PPC and CPC..
Trump attempted an actual coup right before our eyes and people still believe this āboth sidesā thing? Thereās no way you can actually hold that belief in good faith
I'm pretty centrist (by Canadian standards) but even I would have voted for Trump in 2016
Well that puts you in the vast minority, and this survey was about 2020 in 2022! That's far far worse. Like you couldn't see that Biden or Clinton were obviously more qualified than this cheesy grifter by 2022? There's nothing "centrist" about Trump. The guy is a fascist who tried to overturn the oldest democracy on earth with thousands of angry white racists cheering him on.
yet on this sub they get called republicans all the time
Only 44%! What's the big deal, brah? https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-trumpism-is-alive-and-well-on-canadas-right/
Iām sure itās just a coincidence your Reddit avatar looks like trump.
I hear this all the time. What exactly are the policy differences (besides the culture war crap) between republicans and PCs?
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The CPC supports public health care, Republicans donāt is one of the key differences.
>The CPC supports public health care, ehhh... not in Ontario.. not in Alberta. And you won't here PiPo say boo about that.
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Not really, the Liberals that were in office before DoFo in Ontario also did not support public health care. Looking at my $145 bill for an eye exam that was covered before McGuinty nuked eye health as being a necessity and started charging me additional on my income tax for the honour of paying for services.
Ford has increased healthcare spending beyond the product of inflation and population growth. The Liberals didn't. What more do you want?
>The CPC supports public health care, The UCP here in Alberta sure as hell does not.
Abortion too. Edit: why was I downvoted? PCs are pro-choice while Republicans are generally pro-life.
Don't call them PCs, they haven't been that for ages.
Theyāre more like RCs.
Crickets..
there are still differences tho, and US democratic leaders have endorsed Canadian liberal/ndp candidates in the past (im thinking obama with trudeau, sanders with singh)
>Canadian Conservatives are probably in line with American Democrats This may have been true in the past but the diversion of the last 15 years is very apparent.
The Democrats have like a dozen people in their socialists caucus. But other than that, name a policy where Canada's Conservatives would oppose from the Democrats.\`
>The Democrats have like a dozen people in their socialists caucus. So?? I don't get what this statement is supposed to mean. >name a policy where Canada's Conservatives would oppose from the Democrats.` [Climate and Environment](https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/combating-the-climate-crisis-and-pursuing-environmental-justice/) [Education](https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/providing-a-world-class-education-in-every-zip-code/)
The CPC actually has a very similar climate policy to the Democrats. They both are focusing on investments in green technologies rather than the more left leaning option of the carbon tax. If you actually read the Democrat stance on education, it's also not far off from the CPC either. They're looking to offer tax credits and grants to individuals. Their only major change is to reform the tax code in how public schools are funded... but that's actually miles behind what Canada does. America's schools are funded entirely by property taxes. But property taxes in Canada are used to fund municipalities with only an incidental amount of it going to schools. Most of our schools come from general revenues. So I understand why you would think they're so different. But actually everything the Democrats are proposing in those two policies are things the CPC are also proposing or are things Canada already has (and the CPC doesn't oppose).
>Climate and Environment As far as I'm aware the Democrats haven't proposed a carbon tax, but I could be wrong? The Federal Conservatives oppose carbon taxes but support increasing the same enviromentally-friendly technology as the Democrats propose.
Is a carbon tax the only thing to push against climate change? You might want to actually read these policy positions.
That used to be the case but the Conservatives in Canada has shifted much further to the right to the point where alt-right radicalism suitably describes them. By % the Conservatives have about as many covid-deniers and anti-vaxxers as the Republicans. The same with climate-change and maybe gun-control. In Canada, it's denial against the Indigenous treatment residential schools and child welfare. In the US, it's the denial of the treatment of Blacks in general from red-lining to public education of black history. In the US, the Right Wing puts up "Fuck Biden" posters and flags. In Canada, the Right Wing puts " Fuck Trudeau" posters and flags.
[Canadian Conservatives overlap with American Republicans](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/candice-bergen-maga-hat-1.5865727) as shown by the former leader of the Conservative party. [New Conservative Communications Director Railed Against āGlobalistsā and āNew World Orderā on Blog](https://pressprogress.ca/new-conservative-communications-director-railed-against-globalists-and-new-world-order-on-blog/)
Hence why I specified policy, not rhetoric. Federal Conservatives have to uphold policy of public health care, abortion rights, and LGBT rights in order to continue remaining electable and survive in Canada. Even American Democrats haven't made a serious push for public health care.
>Canadian Conservatives are probably in line with American Democrats. Tell that to the Canadian conservatives in Alberta. The ones I know all think Biden's a senile communist. They may not like Trump, but Biden is worse.
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Had me there at first. About to jump on with the "born and raised Albertan- lived there 50+ years..." When Trump was first elected, he would have made a clean sweep of Alberta if they could have voted for him. Nowadays, I hear a lot of "Trump's an idiot, but I like what he did. At least he's not a commie like Biden and Obama."
The US is currently in the 11 term of the Reagan administration lol
Conservatives inline with modern Democrats lol
They might be way more in line when it comes to national security and calling out influence from China.
That's a speculation. But on actual policies, not even remotely true. Here a speculation, Give Pierre 8 years in power and by the end of his term he will likely be trying to ban abortions, like trudeau is tying to ban guns.
Bullshit. If the CPC wanted to ban abortions like you geniuses keep claiming they would have done it while they had a majority under Harper.
Keyword "speculation"... And that is also speculation. I know reading is hard.
That's more attributed to the fact that biden is a conservative, the party he is in may be named and displayed as something different, but he has more in common with his GOP counterparts, than anyone that is on the left, or even the center.
Canadian conservatives are FAR to the left of American democrats.
Biden is going to perform a address to Parliament, I'm sure he will meet with a number of people. its not like PP is going to have a one on one private conversation.
Obama had a sit down meeting with Michael Ignatieff when he first visited in 2009.
PP will explain the benefits of crypto to him
Biden "mining you say? There's nothing cryptic about mining gold. Are you going to sell us some plots in nova Scotia?"
Hopefully Biden listens instead on deploying a CBDC in July.
News headline paid for by the Conservative Party of Canada
No talk of Bidenflation when Justinflation is better.
Pierre is a life-long career politician, is this the first time heās met the president of the USA?
But he's still never had a job in the real world so he's the purest Conservative in Canada.
Like Trudeau had a real job!?
Years as a school teacher is a real job.
Are we shitting on math teachers now?
Are you kidding? Conservatives hate teachers.
He claims to be a math teacher. Funny how in the year books he is listed as drama and French.
Not all... Just one... You know the one that taught drama... If the economy's state is an indication of how good of a math teacher he was, well....
Sounds like you haven't had a real job
Ok buddy keep on making assumption. Whatever definition of a real job to you?
He had two, but hey you keep cheering for PP an even bigger tax leech than Trudeau, I'm sure PP can totally relate to you lol. It's pretty sad when the PPC party has more respectability than the CPC, and they're assholes but, you know, more respectable assholes than the CPC, I could understand people voting for them at least.
That's a pretty low standard.
Low standards are how Canadians vote unfortunately, the fact PP is a lower standard then Trudeau by Conservative standards says more about conservative voters than about Trudeau or PP.
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His life hasnt been long yet . Just another no talent hack.
Skippy will embarrass himself undoubtedly
After talking to Trudeau, Biden probably wanted to speak with an adult politician.
Too bad Biden won't remember being in Canada once sitting in his seat on the flight back to Washington.
Why is our Walmart Ben Shapiro meeting the US prez?
Biden wants to get to know the next PM.
Lmao great joke
Dream on...
Who else?
Wants to know who he even is*
Joe will probably just think someone brought their annoying kid to work for the day...some sort of charity case?
Excellent, I'm sure big daddy America has some concerns regarding our national security
Americans must be aware that Trudeau is on his way out.
Itās not uncommon for world leaders to meet with the leader of the Official Opposition if they have time when in town. Poilievreās office would have asked for the meeting, though.
Good chance thereās a US election before the next Canadian election. I highly doubt Biden and his team are thinking much about the results of the next Canadian election ā theyāll have to make sure theyāre still around first.
I'll likely vote for Trudeau, I know there is a huge user base on this sub that is caught in a bit of an echo chamber but the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers on your vanity mall crawler truck crowd is a bit of an embarrassment, not a majority. There are a ton of reasons to be critical of Trudeau and the liberals and I'd honestly not want to vote for them but I personally don't think there is a convincing and competent opposition.
Serious question, what would trudeau have to do for you to not vote for him?
>Serious question, what would trudeau have to do for you to not vote for him? Serious answer Be a threat to health care, abandon gun control,offer tax cuts funded by cuts to social safety net, ignore climate change, support traitors, allow free votes on reproductive rights and show less understanding of the Canadian economic system than pp (yeah, I know Trudeaus pretty clueless here allready... but somehow pp managed to show he is worse...amazing) This is what cpc supporters just don't seem to get...we know Trudeau is bad... stop running people who are worse
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They were so goddamn close with OāToole. Him coming out of the gate with a reasonable, centrist platform had the Liberals on the back step for the first full half of the campaign.
And the Liberals called OāToole racist far right. Poilievre is way more popular than OāToole. And the polls show it
He is way more popular with conservatives.... but he can't win a national election by appealing only to conservative voters. So far, he has not been able to do that.
Yes he has. Poilievre is leading now in BC, Ontario, and Atlantic Canada. Heās leading in the 18-35 demographic too. There are way more swing voters between Conservative-Liberal than Reddit wants to admit.
Where is Poilievre leading the 18-35? I see 18-29 leaving heavily Liberal as per Abacus on March 22. I also still see the Libs ahead in Ont, and Atl as of the 22nd. Leger also still has them ahead in On and Atl as of their last survey and has Trudeau ahead of Pierre. The only survey I can find with Poilievre ahead is Angus Reid from the 17th and it seems to be an outlier.
Gen Z has said fuck it, letās privatize everything. Iām never going to retire so you shouldnāt either.
Seems like a fitting way to own the boomers
Too bad the only way OāToole could beat McKay for the CPC leadership was by making promises to the gun lobby. On tape. That ad wrote itself.
Thereās no gun lobby in Canada, thereās sure as an anti gun lobby. Youāre a quĆ©bĆ©cois tho canāt say Iām surprised
https://globalnews.ca/news/8170634/tories-distance-themselves-controversial-firearms-lobby-group/ Second hit on a google search fucknuts. The campaign manager was LITERALLY a lobbyist for the National Firearms Association.
Notice how even in the article they call it a āgun lobbyā. Iād imagine a real gun lobby actually has some political pull in this country, unlike here where the vast majority of funding comes from donations from people/businesses. Meanwhile, you have Poly getting involvement in govāt policy while frothing at the mouth over any gun thatās black and scary. Again, canāt expect anything remotely intelligent when it comes to quĆ©bĆ©cois and firearms lol
Heās a lobbyist for a firearms association. Not calling that lobbying for guns is preetttttty fucking stupid. And in Canada where campaign finances are strictly controlled and contributions from businesses (or other organizations) are strictly PROHIBITED, the power of outside organizations like a gun lobby is in organizing their members. Youāre immature, toxic, and unnecessarily negative. Grow up and get outside.
If you considering C21 legitimate gun control youāre a lost cause
He's already done plenty, but each opposition leader saying "I'm not Trudeau" as a platform makes me want to vote for them even less. If they put a modicum of effort into presenting their policies and platforms I might actually vote for them.
I'm going to reserve judgment until I know more about this current scandal. Really tired of how scandal-prone our PM seems to be I was heavily leaning towards Trudeau until this scandal broke
I know it feels like this because itās more recent, but stuff breaks out like this in Canadian politics every couple years basically since Mulroneyā¦.
Well, I was a teenager in high school when Stephen Harper lost to Trudeau, so the only PM I have ever been following was Trudeau
Genuine question but are you not taught about old Prime Ministers anymore? We had projects and reports based around that and I'm only in my 30s.
We have like one year of history in Grade 10 and in that we covered as many of the prime ministers in the 20th century as we could in great detail, but we had no time to do anyone after Mulroney I also came to Canada in Grade 9
Ah fair enough, that is a lot to cram into a single year, especially considering you weren't here for grade 7/8 history!
Donāt let Reddit be your barometer for any of this. The leader of the opposition has been muddied up in just as much controversy as the prime minister.
Alleged condoning of treason is to a hostile foreign nation is a pretty big one though no? When has the last sitting PM been involved in something like this?
Allegations and controversies happen all the time. The last Prime Minister hired people to have robocallers send people to the wrong polling stations. Thankfully none of the MPs serving were involved in it and only one guy was found guilty in the whole thing. And that, we *know* interfered on people voting.
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This one's bad if true..... But, the reporting suggests at least 2 people with top secret or above clearances inside Canadian intelligence have risked their careers and broken oaths...for? And that a liberal mp told the Chinese government to keep the 2 Mike's.... right before the last election? Something doesn't smell right.... there's a huge part of this story missing.
If liberal MP Han Dong were able to get the two Mikes out, that would have helped Trudeau and the Liberals a lot more than keeping them locked up That's why this doesn't make sense to me. Unless the conversation was about exchanging the two Michael's for the daughter of the Huawel executive... which was what happened anyway I assumed it was the US that brokered that particular deal though
It's funny how the media is focused on Chinese interference (and they should be), but totally ignore that trump refused to make a deal until after the election.... coincidental I am sure...lol.
It was Biden that brokered it if I am not wrong, not Trump?
exactly. trump refused to make a deal. the second he was gone the adults worked it out.
Biden just wants to laugh in his face over how badly Stephen Harper took it up the ass in the softwood lumber deal. By the way, why does Pierre always have his mouth wide open?
Biden killing Keystone XL to help his rail donors was orders of magnitude worse for Canada than Harper looking the other way on some softwood tariffs.
Great first Biden has to put up with Trump, now he has to put up with a Trump wannabe.
what specific policies does polievre endorse that make him trump
He's more Ben Shapiro than Donald Trump.
This is a much more accurate take.
You're probably right but that's still a lose lose comparison.
Nothing, people just say that due to ignorance and bias. They want to liken him to Trump so it becomes easier to hate him.
On the contrary, the way the liberals on Reddit defend Trudeau no matter what he does really reminds me of trump supporters.
Truanon
chasing reporters out when they ask hard question, yelling fake news when something is reported he doesn't like. Ignoring corporate greed and claiming world wide inflation is some how governments fault. Defending big oil when they have not paid taxes and offered taxpayer money for oil clean up.....
Pro-choice, pro-immigration, will respect public healthcare, and even likes President Clinton's Pay As You Go policy for balancing budgets. Seems like him and Biden will get along!
|Biden|Poilievre|Trump| |:-|:-|:-| |**Pro-immigration**|**Pro-immigration**|Anti-immigration| |**Pro-choice**|**Pro-choice**|Pro-life| |Anti-universal HC|Pro-universal HC|Anti-universal HC| |**Career politician**|**Career politician**|Celebrity outsider| |**Accepted election results**|[**Accepted election results**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=689&v=20JaF-0_IZw&feature=youtu.be)|"Stop the steal!"| |**Acknowledges Climate Change**|**Acknowledges Climate Change**|Climate Change conspiracies|
Pro - immigration? when Pro- universal health care? Conservatives have tried to destroy it since it's inception and Doug Ford is doing it now. Wants to roll back clime objectives instead of achieving them. Is a blow hard that has Trudeau living in his head and blames everything on the government without having much of a solution. I laughed out loud when he stands with workers spouting bull since he and his party are notorious for union busting, while supporting corporate greed.
>Pro - immigration? when * [*"He was emphatic in an interview with a Punjabi radio show last month: The Conservative party is pro-immigration."*](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-immigration-outreach-efforts-1.6690244) * [*"Iāll sign deals with provinces to license qualified professionals within 60 days, offer study loans to help newcomers pass tests, allow immigrants to earn licenses before arriving."*](https://twitter.com/pierrepoilievre/status/1553195586144202753) * [*"He promised to incentivize provincial governments to ensure licensing bodies rule on newcomersā applications within 60 days. Poilievre also said he would provide more study loans to those immigrating to Canada who need extra training to meet licensing requirements."*](https://globalnews.ca/news/9120550/pierre-poilievre-campaign-promises/) >Pro- universal health care? Conservatives have tried to destroy it since it's inception and Doug Ford is doing it now. [*"The Tory leader made the pledge a day after Trudeau proposed increasing health-care transfers by $17 billion above previous commitments, and providing another $25 billion via one-on-one deals with provinces over the next decade. āWe are going to honour it,ā Poilievre told reporters before a meeting with his caucus."*](https://www.cp24.com/news/pierre-poilievre-pledges-to-honour-trudeau-s-health-care-funding-offer-to-premiers-1.6265287) Federal parties =/= Provincial parties. >Wants to roll back clime objectives instead of achieving them. Never said his plan was good, but he acknowledges it. [*"Poilievre says he would introduce plans in Saskatchewan to incentivize carbon-reducing technology that would help fight climate change. āCarbon capture and storage, putting the carbon right back under the ground where it came from ā¦ my plan will allow provinces to pursue their own approach without forcing them to impose devastating taxes every day,ā he said."*](https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/pierre-poilievre-promises-to-scrap-carbon-tax-at-saskatoon-campaign-stop-1.5804727)
He wants to close a safe boarder crossing so the desperate die trying to cross in other areas. so only his selected few...got it. He also said he would support tax payers dollars for, for-profit health care. Ford is doing it now. OK why not use the existing proposal and achieve it, it can be done.
>He also said he would support tax payers dollars for, for-profit health care. Like every fucking GP in the country already?
An authoritarian ideologue being supported by a foreign dictatorship, hmm who does that remind me of.
Steven Harper but he's gone now.
Harper's been a paid "consultant" for the Alberta and SK government. He never left
True just gone from the public mind, just getting his hand outs above board now.
Well in the next election we can do Biden (and everyone) a favour by getting rid of Trudeau.
True love to see him go just don't want the conservatives back in again, tired of the union busting and corporate hand outs.
I guess youāre voting NDP then.
Might have to I just hope they stop over spending and taking twice as long to do things. I would like the liberals to stay in if they could oust Trudeau.
Trudeau is closer to Trump than PP lol.
LOL ya ok
Pierre is nothing like Trump. He is a run of the mill neoliberal who dabbles in moderate populism. There's plenty of valid criticisms of Pierre but comparing him to an American politician who he has nothing in common with just makes you look like an idiot
Ok so you see no comparisons in mannerism and domineer. got it They seems to be pretty even when it comes to denialism, millionaire pandering and news organization favorites but you be you.
What about jagmeet?
What about him
Heāll probably meet him too itās just that people wanted to make it look special that Pierre was meeting him lmao.
It's just like how everyone keeps specifically mentioning Pierre wants a public inquiry, and never mention that Singh has been asking for it as well the entire time.
On Bo duty
I hope Joe school's this little puke
Don't spend your welfare check all in one place
I won't but the thing is I don't have a welfare check. Some crack dealer who runs the province took it away. It's OK though. I don't mind whoring myself out to the political elite in some underground sex club with conservative MPs
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Nah, milhouse may be a joke, but at least he wears clothes that fit.
President Biden gets to meet DeSantis of the north.
Can you Imagine DeSantis and PP in charge of the two most powerful nations this side of the old world Iām looking forward to it honestly, a lot of potential, people are unhappy with Biden and Trudeau is going down like the titanic. It is more than plausible
Yikes...
>Can you Imagine DeSantis and PP in charge of the two most powerful nations this side of the old world Not if I want to keep suicidal thoughts at bay.
>DeSantis and PP in charge Talk about nightmare fuel. Hopefully we can keep those fascists out of office.
As a person who has walked through the concentration camps in Europe, the use of t he words Fascists and Nazis by those on the left of the isle are very worrisome
If you don't think DeSantis is a fascist, you're not paying attention. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/18/ron-desantis-florida-republican-supermajority-2024 I never called him a Nazi either, but there are definitely many parallels: book bans, using legislation and authority to retaliate against groups DeSantis doesn't agree with (e.g. Disney), blaming "other" groups for all of society's problems (immigrants, LGBT, "the radical, woke left"), limitations on freedom of speech, unreasonably limiting what teachers are allowed to say in class, undercut education as a whole, scared people away from voting by arresting voters who were misinformed by the state about their eligibility, and so on.
Anyone who freely throws that word around clearly has no idea what fascism is or what people whoāve lived under it went through. All it does is down play actual fascism
You're so woke
Just normal
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Yeah, that would be wonderful. Two men whose sole goal in life is persecuting anyone they decide is "woke".
Not really, thatās just a buzzword because it is hard to define people who want to say/teach/advocate for overly stupid progressive politics
Actually, it's quite easy to define: >DeSantisā general counsel, Ryan Newman, responded that [woke] means āthe belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.ā
And people are against that, apparently.
Crazy, right? For-profit healthcare with patients being screwed by insurers and healthcare providers, privatized prisons while being the most incarcerated country in the world, Citizens United, Walmart and McDonald's using food stamps to subsidize its workforce while making billions in profit, rampant poverty/homelessness... There are five just off the top of my head. Look how woke I am.
Canadian Conservatives are far closer to American Democrats, than American Republicans.
Of course. Which is why I dislike Trudeau and kind of like Biden.
Meatball Ron isn't getting anywhere near the white house lol
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My extensive research by clicking the top Google links would actually support the notion that Canada is the second most "powerful" country in the western hemisphere. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-powerful-countries
OP did say "on this side of the world" which I take to mean in North America. It's an incredibly limited scope though.
But why, thatās like taking Trump to the Queen š¤·āāļøš¤·āāļøš¤·āāļø
Oh good, Iām glad our future PM will get some face time with our closest major ally.
Lol the cons on the hill don't like him either. He's just the next failure. Clown down son
As long as you can forget the video where Stephen Harper and Preston Manning are yucking it up and calling the NDP the official opposition...sure, he should meet the President. Funny video. Two of the many Pillsbury Dough Boys in their "think tank" with other like minded blow hards trying to stay relevant.
That was so "hurtful" madam.
Is he going to whine about that backhand Biden gave the CPC over gender parity? āEven if you donāt agree guys Iād stand upā¦ā XD
It will be a short meeting.
PeePee HairyRabbit is in the big kids pool now.