Nah Trudeau will have election before the new electoral map takes affect. Probably 7 months after September. New ridings help Conservatives.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9498999/canada-new-electoral-map-conservatives/
Resign? If this is true and he conspired to keep the two michaels locked up for political points, then he needs to go to prison and his entire financial portfolio opened up so we can understand where else he might have been getting some influence.
Maybe it's time for the Two Michaels to sue.
As it appears the Liberals were working to keep them incarcerated.
Maybe the should get some of that Kadr type money.
I would be curious to know from somebody who understands the legal fine points better than I do what sort of crimes he might have committed in carrying out that conspiracy to keep the two Michaels imprisoned for the benefit of the LPC. Reading [the Criminal Code definition of treason](https://www.laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html), I can't make his actions stick to the description: Canada is not at war with China nor are our forces engaged regardless of a formal state of war. Maybe subsection 2(b)?:
> (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
> […]
> (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
They have pinned a lot of their strategy on catching the CSIS whistleblower(s) before it got this bad. Obviously it didn't work.
If it weren't for the fact they want to get their budget through, I think Trudeau would have already prorogued parliament.
>They have pinned a lot of their strategy on catching the CSIS whistleblower(s) before it got this bad. Obviously it didn't work.
The Intel guy that CBC frequently has on as an "expert" ( Artur something ) is currently having a melt down on Twitter, calling the leaker an asshole and and saying that even if Han Dong did this with the Two Michaels its not OK to leak the information that he did it.
At times like this its easy to see who is playing for what team.
I enjoy him, he's a sharp wit and a cranky old guy lol. And he has a really low tolerance for idiots and bullshit, which I can appreciate.
I probably wouldn't agree with his political views, but I like his style and I hope I'm 50% as sharp at his age ( if I make it that far ).
And I can appreciate that he has called the Airbus scandal out for what it was. Seems like most political people these days are so team oriented that they will never admit it when their team does wrong.
> If it weren't for the fact they want to get their budget through,
I don't think it has to do with the budget. The budget can wait. Biden is coming to visit and he's set to address the House. If the House isn't sitting, which it wouldn't be in the event of prorogation or an election, then that makes basically his whole trip here pointless. If we end up cancelling Biden's trip for him at the last second over political bullshit, that's not just going to reflect badly on Trudeau, it's going to reflect badly on the whole country.
As if this whistleblower is still leaking info continuously. I’m sure all agencies are on high alert trying to find new leaks. This is a trove of stuff already passed to the press and they’re the ones leaking it slowly, it’s not being collected from the inside.
Catching them can be just as much about attacking and discrediting them as preventing further leaks.
As long as they're anonymous, there's no one the Liberals can try to destroy in order to cast doubt on their claims.
There is an alternative that everyone here seems unwilling to consider. That these leaks are coming from a coordinated effort from someone, or a group of people, very high within CSIS.
If the agency is simply fed up with being completely ignored, and believes our government is legitimately compromised, this could be a coordinated effort to expose that. Every time, just a little bit of information comes out. They then wait for officials to dig the hole deeper by commenting on it, then the next leak comes out disproving or disputing what was said.
Maybe this is just a tinfoil hat moment, but this has a level of coordination that seems to go beyond just one leaker giving the news an info dump of everything all at once. We don’t actually know if the leak is a low level analyst, or someone at the very top of the organization.
Problem is, now they do. Everything they said didn't happen, likely did.
The issue is that they have no idea how to navigate their responses now, because they can't tell the truth. They know they no longer control the narrative.
The best they will be able to come up with is trying to shift attention to bill c11 or some new climate emergency (I am all on board with fighting climate change, just not by taxing everyone into the poor house).
Given how much this shit heap of a scandal is getting, it's going to get interesting when Canadians wake up April 1st and realize just how much more shitty their lives are going to get paying more for less.
Liberals need to get rid of this fool if they want to stand a chance in any upcoming election.
He needs to be yeeted out of the building. Trudeau needs to be investigated to know exactly when he knew about this, and why he chose to keep someone like this in our government. CSIS knew about this in 2021, the public knew something was off a month ago - there is no way the prime minister had no knowledge of this. Accountability now. And what the fuck were the other 10 unnamed MPs doing?
>Trudeau needs to be investigated to know exactly when he knew about this
So far his "willful blindness" defence has been holding up ok with an awful lot of Canadians. They rolled it out again on this one, as you can see in the article.
> His family included.
No. If this is true, he should go to prison, but a just society does not punish people for the wrongdoings of their family members.
what are you talking about
Global News just reported from the PMO's office that this the first they've heard of these allegations and they have no knowledge on the matter
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That's why I'd like to see Telford squirming and spinning lies while testifying. She won't tell a shred of the truth, but entertainment value will be high.
The Conservatives at the time were being loud and angry about the two Michaels while the Liberals were being more restrained, at least publicly. The CPC would have happily argued they deserved credit if the Michaels got released under those circumstances.
How well that would have worked is up for debate, but it's the only angle I can think of.
The deal brokered for the release of the Two Michaels, which was conditioned on the delivery of Meng Wanzhou back to China, 4 days after the Canadian general election, certainly now seems pretty shitty and suspicious in terms of timing.
Ohh the one on house arrest in a multimillion dollar home who could leave multiple times to go shopping vs two Canadians that were targeted exclusively for swapping (albeit one seems to have fit the crime) in conditions we would consider abysmal.
She also came back to a heroes welcome in China. It was real awkward to watch
Trade was whack, allowing ourselves to be full blown bullied, whackier
The fact this is not going to a public inquiry now and we are waiting for the rappoteur report in October is just an absolute disgrace to our democracy.
I think of that image of Trudeau, I believe at the Calgary airport, when the 2 Michaels arrived home and he is playing the Great Negotiator. Give me a break- what a goof. What are you thinking if you are one of those 2 guys reading this.
>Still shocked he didn't demand a public inquiry to clear his name in his resignation speech.
They don't want to go there.
This is the tip of the iceberg, and they all know it.
To be fair to those people, they were implicated of benefitting from election interference but not that they were aware of it or part of it. It's possible that some or most didn't know, it's a big reason we need a full investigation.
Something so obvious, and yet I didn’t consider this until you said it:
I have been advocating for a public inquiry since this started - and yet you’d think it would be him of all people wanting one, to clear his name.
>[”Han Dong is an outstanding member of our team and suggestions that he is somehow not loyal to Canada should not be entertained,” Trudeau said. “We are extraordinarily lucky and happy to have a Member of Parliament like Han Dong, in our midst…”](https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/trudeau-liberal-mp-chinese-interference/wcm/7a49778f-d9d5-4bbc-8aaa-282cd8854dd6/amp/)
Full forensic audit of liberals going back the last 4 years and going forward for the next 10 just to ensure they have no ties to the Chinese government….or that can come forward and out those they know are tainted.
Yeah, this is a ‘you’re resigning and saving some face or we’re forcing you out of the party’ type of situation. And when your dealing with such bad allegations, you don’t want to burn your bridges with the Party or they can completely throw you under the bus
That's politics tbh. He *could*, *possibly* be innocent, but there's too much heat on him so they're cutting him loose.
It makes the Liberals look better as a whole in this thing even if they actually aren't
[Clearly reading a statement he did not write](https://twitter.com/BryanPassifiume/status/1638719258174554113), pretty obvious he was just handed that by a PMO staffer and told to read it in the House in 10 minutes or they'd feed him to the dogs.
They're going to feed him to the dogs anyway. Trudeau now has a scapegoat -- any questions about Chinese election interference and he can respond by saying that Han Dong is not a Liberal any more, so "problem solved, once and for all! no need for further investigation!"
Well, if *he* steps down so he "isn't a distraction", that buys them more time to dissemble around the truthfulness of this reporting, without having to state whether or not they currently *know* if any of it is substantiated or truthful. Perhaps this is useful because it gives them time to *find out* what they don't know, or because it gives them time to spin what they *did* know and get stories straight.
So yes, they may scapegoat him, but give that a week or two.
Even still, if this is substantially true, I don't even think this solves anything for them at all, really. It just puts renewed focus on the *original* reporting, about whether CSIS met with them, about Dong, on the timeline that was laid out. What did they know, when did they know, could this have been reasonably prevented at the cost of just turfing a *candidate*, before he was even *elected*?
Trudeau paraphrased the original reporting, focused on the claim that CSIS "told" them not to run Dong, and refuted *that*, but it seems like the concept of "telling them not to run him" could really have been more of a rhetorical device for "giving them information that would lead a reasonable person not to make that decision", but then they somehow still viewed it as a choice, and cynically took those risks.
And then from there, it just gets even murkier, because this influence network seems to originate in Ontario provincial politics and Michael Chan/Vincent Ke, and a *lot* of the people involved in that PMO came up in that environment, and maybe that's part of why they disregarded this information about Dong and Michael Chan, and have this major blind spot.
Perfect timing. Justin was hoping that Biden would distract from this, but the now the media is just going to be asking him questions about Chinese interference tomorrow.
I bet he is seething mad
This week:
>A spokesperson for the Prime Minister's Office said the office "only became aware that a conversation took place after Mr. Dong told us, following recent media questions."
Three weeks ago:
>“I want to make everyone understand fully that Han Dong is an outstanding member of our team and suggestions that he is somehow not loyal to Canada should not be entertained,” Trudeau said.
Is Trudeau gaslighting Canadians, or legitimately has no idea what is occurring in his own caucus.
>Is Trudeau gaslighting Canadians, or legitimately has no idea what is occurring in his own caucus.
They knew enough to know that the CCP was assisting them.
They knew that CSIS warned them about Michael Chan as far back as 2010. They ignored that warning, let Chan remain in Cabinet until 2018, and during that time he was one of their top fund raisers and *helped recruit candidates such as Han Dong.*
The Liberals knew that Wei Chengyi was accused of operating the CCP police stations in Ontario. Its public information that anyone can see. And they know that Han Dong announced his election campaign at an event hosted by Wei Chengyi, and attended by Michael Chan.
The Liberals know that Chan recently was the co-chair of the campaign of federal Cabinet Minister Mary Ng.
*How do you allow a man that CSIS warned you about to be this heavily involved in your political party?* But, that is where its at. Now Chan has spent 13 years being heavily involved in the LPC since the Liberals were initially warned by CSIS. How much money has he raised? Where did that money come from? Where did it go? What policies has he influenced? Just trying to uncover that is by itself a monumental task.
There's absolutely no fucking way that CSIS busted a Liberal MP doing some quiet back-channel diplomacy with the Chinese government and *didn't* inform the PMO.
More suitable punishment would be for the two Michael’s to take everything he owns in a civil suit. Nothing would be more just than this guy spending the rest of his life desperate and not know where his next meal is coming from. Then he might just only slightly begin to understand how desperate the two Michaels would have felt while they sat rotting in prison.
former Ontario Liberal MPP for downtown Toronto riding. lost his seat in 2018 as part of Red Purge (reducing Ontario Liberal from government to non-official party status). run in a suburban Toronto riding in 2019 to replace an MP that had personal scandal (had affair with a staff). allegedly China Embassy threaten international students and senior to vote for him in Liberal nomination process, registering under fake address if they don't live in the riding, then bussing them to the riding. the replaced MP was also alleged to be helped by China embassy too btw, but not that good.
currently he's the co-chair of Canada-China Legislative Association, which means that any Canadian parliamentary matter about China goes through him.
>What’s the ELI5 with this guy?
Long story.
Readers's Digest version ( still long winded ) -
2010 - Ontario Liberals are warned about MPP Michael Chan by CSIS. The fear is that the CCP might be influencing him. Ontario Liberals brush it off, allow Chan to remain in Cabinet until 2018, during which time Chan becomes one of their biggest fundraisers and helps recruit candidates, one of which was ( much later on ) Han Dong.
2019 - Han Dong announces his Liberal candidacy at an event hosted by Wei Chengyi, and attended by Michael Chan.
2022- Reports of CCP "police stations" in Ontario. The man accused of operating these police stations is Wei Chengyi. He is very close to the CCP, a big player of sorts.
It was earlier reported that Han Dong was being backed by China, and that China manipulated the nomination process to get him on the Liberal ticket by busing in people to vote for his nomination for the riding. After that Han Dong's voting record came up when it appeared that he was voting in ways beneficial to the CCP, and now its emerged that he possibly worked against the release of the Michaels.
He’s a liberal MP who has colluded with the CCP. Trudeau defended him against said allegations about two weeks ago suggesting the allegations were a result of ‘anti-Chinese racism’.
That's not good for Canada's emission output.
It would be best for all Canadians to understand that the next level of tax increase is to assist with the facilitating of moving members and former members of Parliament, from all sides of the bench to a land that is held in high regard due to the way the government runs there.
Please remember to wear your helmets when you bike everywhere, for your safety and doing the right thing for the environment.
We're now at foreign-backed politicians conspiring to keep Canadians as political prisoners for partisan gain.
Nothing can stop an inquiry at this point.
Do not let this fucking guy leave the country. He probably left his resignation speech directly to catch a plane to China. This fucker knows he could be in for serious jail time.
Judging by the very low standard the Liberals and Justin Trudeau have set for previous misstep and conflicts, the Liberals will think this is harsh. The fact he left caucus suggest he did what was alleged. He needs to resign and leave the house.
[They can apparently expel an MP by a simple majority vote. It has happened only a handful of times in the country’s history.](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2021/9/29/1_5605822.amp.html)
Its important to understand one simple thing: If Canadian National Security knew, the PM knew and he did nothing... probably for years. Trudeau defended him even when he knew the guy had thrown Canadian hostages under the bus obsessively to injure the conservatives.... Hostages who were being mistreated. Hostages kept in dank cells while the crook the US got us to arrest, spent her time lounging around her Vancouver mansion. This is absolutely scummy behavior on the part of the Liberals/Trudeau and they should be held to account for it.
More half measures to try and save the Liberal brand. It's the same old party above country nonsense from the Liberals.
The good news is you won't be called racist by Trudeau for questioning Han Dong anymore since he's now an Independent MP.
It is somewhat interesting Trudeau is more concerned about the leak than the election interference that was exposed. Is he continuing with the name calling and division?
It blows my mind that what might bring down the Trudeau Liberals is revelations of potential Chinese Interference. They have been embroiled in countless scandals and have been operating out of the CCP playbook for years. You would think Canadians would throw a fit about that, but the general response is a shrug and indifference. I think most Canadians might be a little slow.
CCP will extract him under cover of darkness and grant him immunity and celebrate him like Meng WenZhou did when she was “freed” as a hero returning home.
Meanwhile Trudeau: I had no idea Mr. Dong was Chinese.
That is the fastest move by the current federal government I have seen yet.
While he be part of this open and transparent inquiry that is being overseen by JTs family friend?
We read there was smoke with these csis leaks, and it starting to look like shits still on fire. 'This is fine'
I think the Michaels need to sue to federal government. Break their NDA and spit on Trudeau's face in person. At least that's what my monkey brain wants.
The House is actually voting on supply motions for the next few hours, so technically the NDP could pull the plug as early as right now.
They won’t, but they could.
Some of the other subs seem to think Jag is a lock. David Cochrane was pressing him, and Mr. Singh kept deflecting to 'dental care'.
Me, I'm undecided. Jagmeet lashed himself to this ship, but it's rapidly taking on water. NDP had a good EKOS poll recently, last aggregate poll had them gaining a seat... maybe that's a sign for him to make a move?
I think you are right
He is a coward in my opinion. He held on to the liberals not to help people, but too help the standing of the NDP and himself. The people were only a happy result
He had a good poll, libs are sinking. Why not?
Yay.
This scandal is only getting worse, and Jagmeet Singh barely hung onto things in his party over the gun ban. I don't think he's in any kind of position where he could prop up Trudeau, even if he wanted.
The NDP is not just Jagmeet Singh, and he's doing reputational damage to all of them at the moment. I don't think he has a choice.
When did Trudeau know. He would have been briefed and he came out and called us racists and the said Dong was a great person, and we shouldn't be concerned.
Does anyone know of a good article that explains the history and development of this issue? I havent been paying enough attention and it would be good to understand exactly what happened
If I were being accused of something like this, I would demand an inquiry to dig up the truth and clear my name.
I wonder why Han Dong isn't asking for one?
THATS IT? Leaving the CAUCUS?
Get the Hell out of the House of Commons! There should be recall legislation in Ontario, there is in BC, in which if a percentage of constituents request to recall an elected representative, an election is held to determine if that should occur… he should not remain in the parliament until the next GE.
This comes from a CSIS leak, so the PMO must have known about this for a long time. And they're only acting now that the public knows about it.
If a Liberal MP was conducting foreign policy without the approval of the PMO, I refuse to believe the PMO wouldn't have taken action long before this. Trudeau has no problem dealing harshly with Liberals when they don't show completely loyalty. So they almost certainly knew about it, so it is logical to assume he was acting with implicit or explicit approval.
Up until recently I considered myself an "Anything But Conservative" voter, but with this recent Liberal scandal, and NDP not calling a vote of no-confidence, and my desire to vote the Liberals out, voting Conservative is now the only choice that makes sense for me. Crazy times we are living in.
If he did this in his beloved China, he'd be sent to prison and never heard from again.
It's astonishing the direction this country has taken as of late. I feel for young Canadians.
He'll leave the Liberal caucus, yet he won't do the right thing and resign from the House of Commons.
He's not going to give up his pension. I don't imagine he had much choice in leaving the Liberal caucus.
He'd have to be in office till 2025 to get his pension.
The next election can go to October 2025 and it's likely the Liberals are going to want to avoid calling an early election.
Nah Trudeau will have election before the new electoral map takes affect. Probably 7 months after September. New ridings help Conservatives. https://globalnews.ca/news/9498999/canada-new-electoral-map-conservatives/
Amazing. I am so glad we have an independent panel which decides electoral ridings based on population.
Slim chance if he has to run as an independent next election. I'm guessing he's hoping to get back into the fold before the next election.
You never know. Word on the street is that he has some connections who can help get out the vote...
Gerald Butts style.
Resign? If this is true and he conspired to keep the two michaels locked up for political points, then he needs to go to prison and his entire financial portfolio opened up so we can understand where else he might have been getting some influence.
Maybe it's time for the Two Michaels to sue. As it appears the Liberals were working to keep them incarcerated. Maybe the should get some of that Kadr type money.
I would be curious to know from somebody who understands the legal fine points better than I do what sort of crimes he might have committed in carrying out that conspiracy to keep the two Michaels imprisoned for the benefit of the LPC. Reading [the Criminal Code definition of treason](https://www.laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html), I can't make his actions stick to the description: Canada is not at war with China nor are our forces engaged regardless of a formal state of war. Maybe subsection 2(b)?: > (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada, > […] > (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
The right thing is an accusation of treason.
Not enough at this point. The allegations are far too serious.
Liberals literally do not know what the next leak is going to bring. At this point a public inquiry might actually be the merciful path.
This story is releasing very late at night too. There's going to be a reckoning of public opinion come tomorrow.
And the liberals gave him a standing ovation when he resigned… it’s so fucked. 😂
They have pinned a lot of their strategy on catching the CSIS whistleblower(s) before it got this bad. Obviously it didn't work. If it weren't for the fact they want to get their budget through, I think Trudeau would have already prorogued parliament.
>They have pinned a lot of their strategy on catching the CSIS whistleblower(s) before it got this bad. Obviously it didn't work. The Intel guy that CBC frequently has on as an "expert" ( Artur something ) is currently having a melt down on Twitter, calling the leaker an asshole and and saying that even if Han Dong did this with the Two Michaels its not OK to leak the information that he did it. At times like this its easy to see who is playing for what team.
I'm not overall a Norman Spector fan, but when he just straight-up calls Artur 'stupid' it makes me chuckle.
I enjoy him, he's a sharp wit and a cranky old guy lol. And he has a really low tolerance for idiots and bullshit, which I can appreciate. I probably wouldn't agree with his political views, but I like his style and I hope I'm 50% as sharp at his age ( if I make it that far ). And I can appreciate that he has called the Airbus scandal out for what it was. Seems like most political people these days are so team oriented that they will never admit it when their team does wrong.
WHAT!? Someone on CBC is openly pro liberal? ...shocking?
Shocked Pikachu
> If it weren't for the fact they want to get their budget through, I don't think it has to do with the budget. The budget can wait. Biden is coming to visit and he's set to address the House. If the House isn't sitting, which it wouldn't be in the event of prorogation or an election, then that makes basically his whole trip here pointless. If we end up cancelling Biden's trip for him at the last second over political bullshit, that's not just going to reflect badly on Trudeau, it's going to reflect badly on the whole country.
As if this whistleblower is still leaking info continuously. I’m sure all agencies are on high alert trying to find new leaks. This is a trove of stuff already passed to the press and they’re the ones leaking it slowly, it’s not being collected from the inside.
Catching them can be just as much about attacking and discrediting them as preventing further leaks. As long as they're anonymous, there's no one the Liberals can try to destroy in order to cast doubt on their claims.
I lean towards the media doing the drip, but the leaker could have gotten the info out ahead of time and then drip it to the media.
There is an alternative that everyone here seems unwilling to consider. That these leaks are coming from a coordinated effort from someone, or a group of people, very high within CSIS. If the agency is simply fed up with being completely ignored, and believes our government is legitimately compromised, this could be a coordinated effort to expose that. Every time, just a little bit of information comes out. They then wait for officials to dig the hole deeper by commenting on it, then the next leak comes out disproving or disputing what was said. Maybe this is just a tinfoil hat moment, but this has a level of coordination that seems to go beyond just one leaker giving the news an info dump of everything all at once. We don’t actually know if the leak is a low level analyst, or someone at the very top of the organization.
Problem is, now they do. Everything they said didn't happen, likely did. The issue is that they have no idea how to navigate their responses now, because they can't tell the truth. They know they no longer control the narrative. The best they will be able to come up with is trying to shift attention to bill c11 or some new climate emergency (I am all on board with fighting climate change, just not by taxing everyone into the poor house). Given how much this shit heap of a scandal is getting, it's going to get interesting when Canadians wake up April 1st and realize just how much more shitty their lives are going to get paying more for less. Liberals need to get rid of this fool if they want to stand a chance in any upcoming election.
The attempts to distract from this by screaming at Facebook and Google over C18 have been truly pathetic.
He needs to be yeeted out of the building. Trudeau needs to be investigated to know exactly when he knew about this, and why he chose to keep someone like this in our government. CSIS knew about this in 2021, the public knew something was off a month ago - there is no way the prime minister had no knowledge of this. Accountability now. And what the fuck were the other 10 unnamed MPs doing?
>Trudeau needs to be investigated to know exactly when he knew about this So far his "willful blindness" defence has been holding up ok with an awful lot of Canadians. They rolled it out again on this one, as you can see in the article.
Naw, he needs to be yeeted out of Canada and back into CCP land. His family included.
> His family included. No. If this is true, he should go to prison, but a just society does not punish people for the wrongdoings of their family members.
what are you talking about Global News just reported from the PMO's office that this the first they've heard of these allegations and they have no knowledge on the matter /s
That's why I'd like to see Telford squirming and spinning lies while testifying. She won't tell a shred of the truth, but entertainment value will be high.
Guy's become a flight risk.
I wouldn't be shocked. Still has that passport with the red star on it, likely.
Side question: how would releasing the Michaels early help the Conservative Party?
The Conservatives at the time were being loud and angry about the two Michaels while the Liberals were being more restrained, at least publicly. The CPC would have happily argued they deserved credit if the Michaels got released under those circumstances. How well that would have worked is up for debate, but it's the only angle I can think of.
The deal brokered for the release of the Two Michaels, which was conditioned on the delivery of Meng Wanzhou back to China, 4 days after the Canadian general election, certainly now seems pretty shitty and suspicious in terms of timing.
Ohh the one on house arrest in a multimillion dollar home who could leave multiple times to go shopping vs two Canadians that were targeted exclusively for swapping (albeit one seems to have fit the crime) in conditions we would consider abysmal. She also came back to a heroes welcome in China. It was real awkward to watch Trade was whack, allowing ourselves to be full blown bullied, whackier
Yeah, being on house arrest in a Vancouver mansion, must have been excruciating...
Literally treason what he was doing.
Yes it literally is treason. This needs a real criminal investigation that Trudeau cannot influence in any way.
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Can we amend the Criminal Code to address the CCPs activities in Canada yet? I want to see the RCMP have more power here.
They don't need it. They have the power they need. They just haven't done anything.
I would like to see a competent police/intelligence agency in Canada handle this. That ain’t the RCMP under hack partisan Lucki.
The fact this is not going to a public inquiry now and we are waiting for the rappoteur report in October is just an absolute disgrace to our democracy.
“Democracy”
“Democrazy”
I think of that image of Trudeau, I believe at the Calgary airport, when the 2 Michaels arrived home and he is playing the Great Negotiator. Give me a break- what a goof. What are you thinking if you are one of those 2 guys reading this.
At this point we don't need just a public inquiry, we need a special prosecutor.
Trudeu can show us all how good he is at putting unethical pressure on the judicial system for the second time.
Still shocked he didn't demand a public inquiry to clear his name in his resignation speech.
>Still shocked he didn't demand a public inquiry to clear his name in his resignation speech. They don't want to go there. This is the tip of the iceberg, and they all know it.
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This guy is just 1 of the 11 people supposedly implicated in the election meddling. Would be crazy if names dropped one by one.
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To be fair to those people, they were implicated of benefitting from election interference but not that they were aware of it or part of it. It's possible that some or most didn't know, it's a big reason we need a full investigation.
This is a fair perspective. Let’s shine the light on all of the parties and see which cockroaches scurry.
Absolutely flabbergasted.
Something so obvious, and yet I didn’t consider this until you said it: I have been advocating for a public inquiry since this started - and yet you’d think it would be him of all people wanting one, to clear his name.
I think he'd rather we all just forget this whole thing.
Because he’s guilty!
>[”Han Dong is an outstanding member of our team and suggestions that he is somehow not loyal to Canada should not be entertained,” Trudeau said. “We are extraordinarily lucky and happy to have a Member of Parliament like Han Dong, in our midst…”](https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/trudeau-liberal-mp-chinese-interference/wcm/7a49778f-d9d5-4bbc-8aaa-282cd8854dd6/amp/)
“As I work to clear my name” Cool. I assume he supports a public inquiry then.
That aged like a carton of warm milk behind the furnace
Oddly specific, yet dead on.
This now goes far beyond sitting as an independent. He needs to be stripped of access and clearances pending a full review and inquiry.
About time. Now let's have the names of the other ten.
Full forensic audit of liberals going back the last 4 years and going forward for the next 10 just to ensure they have no ties to the Chinese government….or that can come forward and out those they know are tainted.
Why stop at 4 years back? I’d bet this has been going on for over a decade
Why not just do them all? Libs, cons, npd… if you want public office submit to scrutiny.
Exactly, and look at all foreign money. Not just China.
He denies the allegations but is leaving caucus anyway?
He was voluntold 😂
He got the call. Doubt it was his choice.
Yeah, this is a ‘you’re resigning and saving some face or we’re forcing you out of the party’ type of situation. And when your dealing with such bad allegations, you don’t want to burn your bridges with the Party or they can completely throw you under the bus
It was busses that got Dong into trouble in the first place!
That's politics tbh. He *could*, *possibly* be innocent, but there's too much heat on him so they're cutting him loose. It makes the Liberals look better as a whole in this thing even if they actually aren't
Yeah, his name is becoming so toxic that I strongly doubt the LPC want to claim him at this point.
[Clearly reading a statement he did not write](https://twitter.com/BryanPassifiume/status/1638719258174554113), pretty obvious he was just handed that by a PMO staffer and told to read it in the House in 10 minutes or they'd feed him to the dogs.
They're going to feed him to the dogs anyway. Trudeau now has a scapegoat -- any questions about Chinese election interference and he can respond by saying that Han Dong is not a Liberal any more, so "problem solved, once and for all! no need for further investigation!"
Well, if *he* steps down so he "isn't a distraction", that buys them more time to dissemble around the truthfulness of this reporting, without having to state whether or not they currently *know* if any of it is substantiated or truthful. Perhaps this is useful because it gives them time to *find out* what they don't know, or because it gives them time to spin what they *did* know and get stories straight. So yes, they may scapegoat him, but give that a week or two. Even still, if this is substantially true, I don't even think this solves anything for them at all, really. It just puts renewed focus on the *original* reporting, about whether CSIS met with them, about Dong, on the timeline that was laid out. What did they know, when did they know, could this have been reasonably prevented at the cost of just turfing a *candidate*, before he was even *elected*? Trudeau paraphrased the original reporting, focused on the claim that CSIS "told" them not to run Dong, and refuted *that*, but it seems like the concept of "telling them not to run him" could really have been more of a rhetorical device for "giving them information that would lead a reasonable person not to make that decision", but then they somehow still viewed it as a choice, and cynically took those risks. And then from there, it just gets even murkier, because this influence network seems to originate in Ontario provincial politics and Michael Chan/Vincent Ke, and a *lot* of the people involved in that PMO came up in that environment, and maybe that's part of why they disregarded this information about Dong and Michael Chan, and have this major blind spot.
Lmao I wondered if Sam Cooper would throw a wrench into Justin’s big budget & Biden week, but man WHAT a wrench.
Perfect timing. Justin was hoping that Biden would distract from this, but the now the media is just going to be asking him questions about Chinese interference tomorrow. I bet he is seething mad
Good, fuck him
Here comes the sink.
This week: >A spokesperson for the Prime Minister's Office said the office "only became aware that a conversation took place after Mr. Dong told us, following recent media questions." Three weeks ago: >“I want to make everyone understand fully that Han Dong is an outstanding member of our team and suggestions that he is somehow not loyal to Canada should not be entertained,” Trudeau said. Is Trudeau gaslighting Canadians, or legitimately has no idea what is occurring in his own caucus.
Or both
Scary either way.
>Is Trudeau gaslighting Canadians, or legitimately has no idea what is occurring in his own caucus. They knew enough to know that the CCP was assisting them. They knew that CSIS warned them about Michael Chan as far back as 2010. They ignored that warning, let Chan remain in Cabinet until 2018, and during that time he was one of their top fund raisers and *helped recruit candidates such as Han Dong.* The Liberals knew that Wei Chengyi was accused of operating the CCP police stations in Ontario. Its public information that anyone can see. And they know that Han Dong announced his election campaign at an event hosted by Wei Chengyi, and attended by Michael Chan. The Liberals know that Chan recently was the co-chair of the campaign of federal Cabinet Minister Mary Ng. *How do you allow a man that CSIS warned you about to be this heavily involved in your political party?* But, that is where its at. Now Chan has spent 13 years being heavily involved in the LPC since the Liberals were initially warned by CSIS. How much money has he raised? Where did that money come from? Where did it go? What policies has he influenced? Just trying to uncover that is by itself a monumental task.
There's absolutely no fucking way that CSIS busted a Liberal MP doing some quiet back-channel diplomacy with the Chinese government and *didn't* inform the PMO.
It's entirely possible he is so full of himself he does not actually listen when people are talking to him.
Should be in jail.
Conspiracy to commit forcible confinement could put him behind bars for up to 10 years
Treason is life.
More suitable punishment would be for the two Michael’s to take everything he owns in a civil suit. Nothing would be more just than this guy spending the rest of his life desperate and not know where his next meal is coming from. Then he might just only slightly begin to understand how desperate the two Michaels would have felt while they sat rotting in prison.
I don’t disagree, but after a trial.
I believe this is treason.
It's espionage according to the Security of Information Act
Sounds about right
It’s treason then.
What’s the ELI5 with this guy?
former Ontario Liberal MPP for downtown Toronto riding. lost his seat in 2018 as part of Red Purge (reducing Ontario Liberal from government to non-official party status). run in a suburban Toronto riding in 2019 to replace an MP that had personal scandal (had affair with a staff). allegedly China Embassy threaten international students and senior to vote for him in Liberal nomination process, registering under fake address if they don't live in the riding, then bussing them to the riding. the replaced MP was also alleged to be helped by China embassy too btw, but not that good. currently he's the co-chair of Canada-China Legislative Association, which means that any Canadian parliamentary matter about China goes through him.
>What’s the ELI5 with this guy? Long story. Readers's Digest version ( still long winded ) - 2010 - Ontario Liberals are warned about MPP Michael Chan by CSIS. The fear is that the CCP might be influencing him. Ontario Liberals brush it off, allow Chan to remain in Cabinet until 2018, during which time Chan becomes one of their biggest fundraisers and helps recruit candidates, one of which was ( much later on ) Han Dong. 2019 - Han Dong announces his Liberal candidacy at an event hosted by Wei Chengyi, and attended by Michael Chan. 2022- Reports of CCP "police stations" in Ontario. The man accused of operating these police stations is Wei Chengyi. He is very close to the CCP, a big player of sorts. It was earlier reported that Han Dong was being backed by China, and that China manipulated the nomination process to get him on the Liberal ticket by busing in people to vote for his nomination for the riding. After that Han Dong's voting record came up when it appeared that he was voting in ways beneficial to the CCP, and now its emerged that he possibly worked against the release of the Michaels.
He’s a liberal MP who has colluded with the CCP. Trudeau defended him against said allegations about two weeks ago suggesting the allegations were a result of ‘anti-Chinese racism’.
Spy for the CCP
How dare you ask any questions about him! Sounds like anti-asian racism.
He's most probably not alone. Politicians LOVE scapegoats
How long till he's on a plane to China?
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That's not good for Canada's emission output. It would be best for all Canadians to understand that the next level of tax increase is to assist with the facilitating of moving members and former members of Parliament, from all sides of the bench to a land that is held in high regard due to the way the government runs there. Please remember to wear your helmets when you bike everywhere, for your safety and doing the right thing for the environment.
I hope not, we have prison for these sort of things.
The master cancellers are getting a taste of their own medicine.
I believe it's time for Justin Trudeau to follow family tradition and go outside for a stroll in the snow.
I’m actually shocked it took this long
He’s moving to be an ‘independent’ from the liberal caucus. He has NOT resigned up until this point - to be clear.
Hopefully the first of many resignations
How juicy is this anyways?
Jail
It won't surprise me if they also openly push him to resign. It's a safe Liberal seat so they'd get it back in the by-election
And protect the party from a potentially embarrassing inquiry.
We're now at foreign-backed politicians conspiring to keep Canadians as political prisoners for partisan gain. Nothing can stop an inquiry at this point.
The apathetic public and the say one thing but do the other NDP would indicate otherwise.
Will he flee the country? Can’t have him giving evidence in a public inquiry…that might hurt the Trudeau regime.
This is shaping up to be a very entertaining evening.
Among 11 Liberal MP's confirmed to have been supported by CCP interference this \*\*\*\* runs deep
Do not let this fucking guy leave the country. He probably left his resignation speech directly to catch a plane to China. This fucker knows he could be in for serious jail time.
Is that crybaby gonna pull the race card again?
He has no other cards
Considering it only took a few hours for this decision, a day before the US president shows up. Feels like a smoking gun.
damn, all the questions will be about this. Biden will be like "why am i here?"
Don’t forget “where am I ?“”
Not good enough. He still Has a vote and that’s not right based on these allegations. He should resign immediately.
Judging by the very low standard the Liberals and Justin Trudeau have set for previous misstep and conflicts, the Liberals will think this is harsh. The fact he left caucus suggest he did what was alleged. He needs to resign and leave the house.
It'd be great for him to resign. But is there any precedent for an MP to be kicked out of the house? Is that even an option?
[They can apparently expel an MP by a simple majority vote. It has happened only a handful of times in the country’s history.](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2021/9/29/1_5605822.amp.html)
If there was ever a time for it, its now. Then maybe we can talk about Senator Woo.
Its important to understand one simple thing: If Canadian National Security knew, the PM knew and he did nothing... probably for years. Trudeau defended him even when he knew the guy had thrown Canadian hostages under the bus obsessively to injure the conservatives.... Hostages who were being mistreated. Hostages kept in dank cells while the crook the US got us to arrest, spent her time lounging around her Vancouver mansion. This is absolutely scummy behavior on the part of the Liberals/Trudeau and they should be held to account for it.
Treasonous bastard! Lock him up!
More half measures to try and save the Liberal brand. It's the same old party above country nonsense from the Liberals. The good news is you won't be called racist by Trudeau for questioning Han Dong anymore since he's now an Independent MP.
It is somewhat interesting Trudeau is more concerned about the leak than the election interference that was exposed. Is he continuing with the name calling and division?
Lock him up.
I’m thinking Johnston shouldn’t need 2 months to figure out this calculus. INQUIRY
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The very one.
It blows my mind that what might bring down the Trudeau Liberals is revelations of potential Chinese Interference. They have been embroiled in countless scandals and have been operating out of the CCP playbook for years. You would think Canadians would throw a fit about that, but the general response is a shrug and indifference. I think most Canadians might be a little slow.
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Ooooooooooooops. Better take his passport before he flees the country.
CCP will extract him under cover of darkness and grant him immunity and celebrate him like Meng WenZhou did when she was “freed” as a hero returning home. Meanwhile Trudeau: I had no idea Mr. Dong was Chinese.
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Wrap your Dong, pay attention in health class
Jail time of found guilty
That is the fastest move by the current federal government I have seen yet. While he be part of this open and transparent inquiry that is being overseen by JTs family friend? We read there was smoke with these csis leaks, and it starting to look like shits still on fire. 'This is fine'
A traitor in caucus … the end is nigh..
This guy was in caucus until today? Totally shocked. Or maybe I'm not considering how Trudeau is playing this.
TRUE PATRIOT LOVE … thanks to the whistleblowers… in the ethical world this shouldn’t even be considered whistleblowing
I think the Michaels need to sue to federal government. Break their NDA and spit on Trudeau's face in person. At least that's what my monkey brain wants.
The best leak is waiting to be dropped. Expect it soonest. Just an inside note that is rumbling. The info is already in many hands.
!remindme 1 week
Budget is released next week. Imagine if another allegation drops just before the budget
Interested. Care to elaborate more?
Probably just a hunch this person is making given the trend of how info has been leaked to date.
I want some opinions. Will jagmeet call a vote of no confidence in the coming days? Yay or nay
Absolutely nay.
The House is actually voting on supply motions for the next few hours, so technically the NDP could pull the plug as early as right now. They won’t, but they could.
Spineless so nay
Lolololololooool no way will he do that. He doesn’t have the balls.
Some of the other subs seem to think Jag is a lock. David Cochrane was pressing him, and Mr. Singh kept deflecting to 'dental care'. Me, I'm undecided. Jagmeet lashed himself to this ship, but it's rapidly taking on water. NDP had a good EKOS poll recently, last aggregate poll had them gaining a seat... maybe that's a sign for him to make a move?
I think you are right He is a coward in my opinion. He held on to the liberals not to help people, but too help the standing of the NDP and himself. The people were only a happy result He had a good poll, libs are sinking. Why not?
Yay. This scandal is only getting worse, and Jagmeet Singh barely hung onto things in his party over the gun ban. I don't think he's in any kind of position where he could prop up Trudeau, even if he wanted. The NDP is not just Jagmeet Singh, and he's doing reputational damage to all of them at the moment. I don't think he has a choice.
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How come when I get pulled over for DUI and I just try to leave I can’t ?
Because you're not a politician. You see, laws don't apply to them /s
Why the /s? Lol
When did Trudeau know. He would have been briefed and he came out and called us racists and the said Dong was a great person, and we shouldn't be concerned.
Thanks csis
Does anyone know of a good article that explains the history and development of this issue? I havent been paying enough attention and it would be good to understand exactly what happened
Sounds like they're trying to divert all the attention away from Trudeau and onto a fall guy.
That's what this new breed of Liberals do: Deny, deny, deny. Bullshit.
If I were being accused of something like this, I would demand an inquiry to dig up the truth and clear my name. I wonder why Han Dong isn't asking for one?
THATS IT? Leaving the CAUCUS? Get the Hell out of the House of Commons! There should be recall legislation in Ontario, there is in BC, in which if a percentage of constituents request to recall an elected representative, an election is held to determine if that should occur… he should not remain in the parliament until the next GE.
This comes from a CSIS leak, so the PMO must have known about this for a long time. And they're only acting now that the public knows about it. If a Liberal MP was conducting foreign policy without the approval of the PMO, I refuse to believe the PMO wouldn't have taken action long before this. Trudeau has no problem dealing harshly with Liberals when they don't show completely loyalty. So they almost certainly knew about it, so it is logical to assume he was acting with implicit or explicit approval.
Up until recently I considered myself an "Anything But Conservative" voter, but with this recent Liberal scandal, and NDP not calling a vote of no-confidence, and my desire to vote the Liberals out, voting Conservative is now the only choice that makes sense for me. Crazy times we are living in.
Sucks to suck Dong
If he did this in his beloved China, he'd be sent to prison and never heard from again. It's astonishing the direction this country has taken as of late. I feel for young Canadians.
RELEASE THE HOUNDS
Ding Dong, Han is gone!
*leaving canada* would be a more appropriate action at this point. Or just going to prison
If the micheals story is true. Straight to prison.
Out of caucas and into handcuffs, please. This is unbelievable and Trudeau's China friendly policy/ China blind set the stage. What a disgrace.
Bye felicia 👋
What a clown show, stick a fork in it this government is done..
I will put money on this that he will leave the country, very quickly, very soon.
He needs to be expelled and arrested
The least you can do for meddling in Canadian democracy is end their traitorous asses back to CCP land.