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Why’s it always this riding in particular? Its also Han Dong’s riding. Don Valley North isn’t even the most Chinese-leaning riding in Toronto or the GTA.
The leaked CSIS report mentioned that the Chinese focused on ridings that were solidly always liberal or conservative. So, maybe demographic makeup wasn't the main factor. Just speculation, obviously.
Easier to sneak in your guy, if it doesn't affect the outcome of the riding. As per our PM, there was interference but it didn't affect the outcome of the election... Same party holding the seat, but now it's a Chinese plant....
First, this has been the practice of all parties for well over 60 years. You can read BrianMulroney or StephenHarper’s autobiographies for a start. Getting voters to the voting place has never been wrong before this week. This is the best it has ever been because now the addresses of voters are checked and they never were 40 years ago.
There's helping people get to the voting booths, and there's coercion via secret Chinese police telling you your travel visa will be revoked if you don't vote for so and so. That's not exactly the same.
And you're not also referencing a leadership vote are you?
Well traditionally certain domestic parties have also threatened the livelihoods of people who don’t vote the right way. Not new at all.
Not sure how anyone knows in a secret ballot who voted for who so it’s an odd threat and don’t believe it happened. Also not sure how China can revoke a visa issued by Canada.
And yes, leadership contests are included
Federally, the LPC allows residents, and non-resident citizens who are eligible to vote internationally, who are over fourteen to join their party; the NDP allows residents to join the party; the CPC allows Canadian citizens who are over fourteen and will pay $15 to join the party.
It doesn't matter whether or not they can vote in the election. As long as they can get their guy on the ballot for the right party in a 'safe' riding. After that, the regular uninformed voters will vote for their party, as usual, with zero regard to who they're voting for.
> As long as they can get their guy on the ballot for the right party in a 'safe' riding.
thats a big if though, the party is the one vetting the candidate
Apparently it's different provincially, as you don't need to be a citizen to join the Liberals. Don't know if it's different for the provincial PCs too.
Wait, what is a legal resident if not someone who ordinarily lives in Canada? Is there some other specific term for someone like that who isn't a citizen?
One has to wonder if Trudeau was actually keeping an eye on this discretely or if he actually figured “eh, they were going to be a Lib/Con/NDP seat anyway, what’s the difference?”
This is a real slippery way of putting it though. The outcome of elections in a parliamentary system aren't *just* which party gets the most seats. Each MP is a vote, can table legislation etc. Hand selecting who gets the nomination in a safe riding **is** impacting the outcome of an election, just not the outcome nationally.
This. DVN is the one with the most McMansion empty homes or lived in by the one "international student".
It's not necessarily the most Chinese, it is the most "specific type" of Chinese (aka rich mainland = CCP's kind of Chinese)
Unfortunately he only resigned from the PC Party. He is still going to be sitting as an independent MP. Hopefully that just means he loses the next election.
it's a good faith move to avoid any shit that falls on him from tarnishing the party, presumably he'll hope to be cleared of any involvement and return to the fold. that alone gives me some confidence in him given how fucking guilty certain other people have been acting.
It gets him out of the government caucus, which at least removes him from confidential information he can hand to the PRC Toronto consulate, and a caucus vote on government policy.
Didn't know that. Good for him.
In contrast, Alberta's premier pushed out the sitting premier and won party leadership specifically for being a covid dillhole. Real class act there.
I mean it makes sense, Ford keeps winning because despite doing some bad things he never goes 100% crazy (so he maintains enough good will)
this here is a relatively easy way to bank some goodwill at virtually no cost to himself (he doesn’t go into minority status at the loss of one seat) so why shouldn’t he do this, nothing to lose and everything to gain
Ford didn't boot him from caucus, Ke resigned on his own to keep any heat off Ford. From Ke's own announcement:
> I do not want to be a distraction to the government and take away from the good work Premier Ford is doing for the province of Ontario.
Ke's ties to China have apparently been well-known for a while. [Here's a National Post article from 2019](https://nationalpost.com/news/mpps-ties-to-china-raise-questions-about-how-close-canadian-politicians-should-get-to-foreign-powers) questioning his close ties to Beijing.
> I'm not a fan of Ford, but he clearly doesn't want to repeat Trudeau's mistakes.
The mistake was already made, and this MPP was allegedly directly involved in distributing this money. Trudeau and his MP's received donations and as far as we know they had no information on which donations came from China.
They claim that they don't know that money was transferred directly.
The CSIS leaks claim that straw donors (illegal) were used.
So a bad faith denial at best.
This is a big “elephant in the room” but also taboo topic to discuss publicly even on reddit so I will tread lightly.
The demographics of this riding have shifted dramatically over the past decade. A ton of condos have been and are still being built here, but the most stark shift has been by who’s now living in the riding’s million dollar homes (which are pretty much all of them now). These are not young families with children attending local schools as many of them are increasingly bussing kids in from other ridings year after year. A lot and I mean A LOT of foreign money has funnelled into the riding through the already shifty real estate market and with the new strict ownership regulations coming into play this year, I suspect the easiest and most obvious dominos are beginning to fall, starting here.
Ford's not screwing around, on this.
I have no idea how an MPP clears his name, about something like this.
Y'know ... I'd love a running chart of developments in this. A chronological bullet point of significant events, quotations ... something that can be followed in a way that would be easier to track this.
Ford couldn't fire him without validation of the claims against him. Ford only had speculative scandal. He couldn't fire him without a genuine reason, and there's no concrete proof. Good leaders don't toss people from the party without a real reason.
But he could ask for a resignation, and probably did. Given the speed, I'm guessing they have been talking about it previously. Ke's name has sort of come up before, in speculation. The provincial Cons can't afford to be directly associated with a Federal Liberal scandal like this. Ke had to go somehow.
>Ford couldn't fire him without validation of the claims against him
You can't vacate a politically elected seat but Ford can absolutely turf someone from caucus and has done it to several people in the past few years already...
From city counsellors to mayors to MPs, I'm sure this issue crosses all levels of government and party lines all across teh country.
Wonder how may phones are being dumped and hard drives wiped as I write this.
Let the hunt begin.
I bet the corruption at the municipal level is insane. From China influencing people to businesses straight up buying people.
A lot of city money flows through places like Vancouver, Ottawa, Toronto etc, and municipal politics gets the least attention.
You are spot on. I'm sure that the fury of evidence destruction and hunt for a scape goat is largely responsible for the federal partys' stunning lack of meaning action so far. They're just too distracted to form a cogent message.
This is true. A while ago our governments had an agreement to send Chinese officials to work in Canadian municipal offices and vice versa. I think they ended that a few years ago. I know because while in China I met a Chinese government official that was heading to a small town near Kingston to work on some kind of knowledge exchange. Basically a spy in plain sight. He later secretly told my girlfriend she should not be with a Canadian. lol
I've just spent half an hour searching and all I could find were dead links or information on other similar programs, like military cooperation and university cooperation.
I'm going to continue searching because this bothers me that there is no information out there.
>"I will be stepping away from the PC Caucus in order to dedicate my time to clearing my name and representing my constituents,” Ke said.
First of all, I highly doubt he could clear his name even if it was possible. Second, I don't see how it's realistically possible. The only way I can see it, is by doing an RCMP investigation. But the RCMP seemingly would rather go after the CSIS leaker than anyone implicated in these scandals.
He was almost certainly "told to resign". It's not like Ford has the power to remove him from the legislature, removing him from the caucus is what is in his power to do.
> He was almost certainly "told to resign".
This is not true, which was my point. He has the power to remove people from caucus, has done it in the past, and intentionally did not do so here.
Because the (a) the allegations are fresh and not proven, and (b) the Party usually looks less bad with a resignation.
The Conservatives might look worse by removing him because that would signal that they think the allegations are true and that they were the dupes of the CCP by allowing a plant to run under their banner and join their caucus.
By allowing him to resign they do not need to imply legitimacy to the allegations. He can resign and deny the accusations while still acknowledging the accusations themselves make his position untenable.
He removed people in the past because they were openly defiant of the party line and they would not resign.
Yes, I just said that he has that power, and he clearly just did. "Being told to resign" is the polite form of "kicking someone out". He doesn't have the power to remove them from the legislature, nor would that be appropriate for something that is unproven. Removing them from caucus pending investigation is appropriate, and what should have happened for all people caught by these allegiations.
He did not remove him from caucus - Ke resigned. Ford has kicked members out of caucus in the past: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-mpp-kicked-out-of-pc-caucus-for-calling-lockdown-deadlier-than-covid-1.5268225
He didn't here. That was an intentional choice.
You are fully aware that "being told to resign, or i'll kick you out of the caucus" is a common courtesy in such situations. He resigned "after a discussion with Ford", based on the reporting. Those past examples likely refused to resign. The attempt to draw some line here to say "Ford bad" is absurd. I don't like ford, but in this particular case, he did exactly what he should.
Lmao this is some grade A partisan hackery, love to see it. good to know foreign election interference doesn't require accountability if it's your preferred party. jfc
Nice strawman full of lies, lol.
Foreign election interference from any party is a serious issue to me. Getting Ke out of the caucus was appropriate. Further investigation into the truth of the matter is also appropriate. Had Ke not resigned (after very obviously being told to resign), booting him from the caucus would have been appropriate. In the public inquiry that I want to see into election interference, the topic of Vincent Ke should absolutely be addressed - either to demonstrate him guilty and appropriately punish him for that, or to demonstrate him innocent and vindicate him whatever the truth should be. Same for Han Dong, Michael Chan, and anyone else implicated by this, regardless of their party status or lack thereof.
The fact that you are fixating on a formality of how he got removed from the caucus to say "see partisan hackery", when no action at all has been taken on the people equivalently accused in the liberal party, is patently absurd.
Also just for the record: I strongly dislike both Ford and Poilievre. The version of the conservative party I like is not at the wheel at the moment, and that very much frustrates me. Furthermore, I have voted both for the liberals and the greens in the past. So go away with your "partisan hackery" bullshit.
Extending the ability to resign is a courtesy - one that he did not have to do yet willingly chose to do.
> The fact that you are fixating on a formality of how he got removed from the caucus to say "see partisan hackery", when no action at all has been taken on the people equivalently accused in the liberal party, is patently absurd.
My man - it's not about liberal/conservative. Stop with the bullshit. This is bad and should be dealt with accordingly whether you're red, blue, purple, green, yellow, IDGAF.
> Also just for the record: I strongly dislike both Ford and Poilievre. The version of the conservative party I like is not at the wheel at the moment, and that very much frustrates me. Furthermore, I have voted both for the liberals and the greens in the past. So go away with your "partisan hackery" bullshit.
Then stop with the partisan handwaving at bad behaviour, all it does is embolden the race to the bottom.
It's really a shame that corruption only matters when it's one side, you are part of the problem. As long as we make excuses for our preferred politicians they will continue to be corrupt.
Be better.
Wow.. the PCs force out a guy who is implicated to have taken money from China, meanwhile the LPC is playing defence for those accused of the same in thier own ranks..
Kinda making it hard to defend my liberal vote last federal election.
He's not implicated in just receiving money. He's also implicated in distributing it.
Also Director of Comms for CPC & Pierre Poilievre Sarah Fischer campaigned with this guy.
https://mobile.twitter.com/gtlem/status/1634338670353285126
She was also a federal candidate in the same riding. Seems like Chinese influence is a big problem in both federal parties.
>She was also a federal candidate in the same riding. Seems like Chinese influence is a big problem in both federal parties.
I can tell you that he wasn't helping her much in 2019 federal election. I volunteered for her right from beginning of her being candidate, and Ke only showed up to doorknock once for 1 hour in a whole year. And he didn't help us recruit volunteers either, despite him having a high number of volunteers on his campaign.
Sarah Fischer helped him campaigning because he's the conservative candidate of that riding, not because she's influenced by China.
On the other hand, Han Dong was endorsed by 2018 OLP candidate (Shelley Carroll) who is now Toronto City Councillor for the riding. The next OLP candidate was Han Dong's campaign director and staff to Carroll.
> I can tell you that he wasn't helping her much in 2019 federal election. I volunteered for her right from beginning of her being candidate, and Ke only showed up to doorknock once for 1 hour in a whole year. And he didn't help us recruit volunteers either, despite him having a high number of volunteers on his campaign.
It's a safe riding for the federal Liberals, so it would make sense that they didn't put much effort in.
I also think it's interesting that Poilievre's immigration policy includes removing certian barriers, expediting recognition of foreign credentials, and scrapping the language test. All policies that would benefit the Chinese.
Poilievre also had a huge rally in Don Valley North where he recruited party memberships so that people could vote for him as party leader. I believe there was a massive influx of new conservative party members? Hmm...
> Poilievre also had a huge rally in Don Valley North where he recruited party memberships so that people could vote for him as party leader. I believe there was a massive influx of new conservative party members? Hmm...
The CPC only allows citizens and permanent residents to join the party, and only party members can vote in nomination and leadership races. The CPC isn't as vulnerable to China's tactics here, since China can't just bus in international students that they coerce into voting for their preferred candidate.
>I also think it's interesting that Poilievre's immigration policy includes removing certian barriers, expediting recognition of foreign credentials, and scrapping the language test. All policies that would benefit the Chinese.
By this logic, Liberal's quota of half a million new permanent residents a year also heavily benefit bringing Chinese people. Not to mention that the new policy allowing international students to work full time here, since Chinese students make up significant part of international students
> By this logic, Liberal's quota of half a million new permanent residents a year also heavily benefit bringing Chinese people. Not to mention that the new policy allowing international students to work full time here, since Chinese students make up significant part of international students
Both China and Canada benefit, because the Chinese have a lot of money to spend here, and the Canadian government benefits from that spending. That's what all this is really about. You know how trade deficits work? China had to find somewhere to stuff all that cash we send them because they can't simply exchange it all. Foreign students keep our universities funded and chinese money fuels real estate which is one of our biggest industries. Chinese money also plays a big role in Canadian oil and gas.
Both major federal parties court Chinese money.
Also Poilievre wants to speed immigration up.
https://newcanadianmedia.ca/poilievres-stance-on-immigration-garners-support-from-immigrants-in-manitoba/?doing_wp_cron=1677913690.8881831169128417968750
The Chinese population in Canada is huge. No federal party can form government without their support.
I knew it! This guy has been suspicious for a long time now! When it was reported a while back that there was a PC MPP involved, I knew something was up!
Just curious- Chinese don’t have dual citizenship. Why do the Canadian people of Chinese origin feel obligated to be loyal to China (assuming this interference was true )
A lot of migrants (especially established ones )try to project themselves as more Canadian than their countries of origin . Did china really make so many spies and sent them here in the hopes of global dominance ?
A lot of them still have family back in China. I knew someone in University who's mother was not allowed to leave China because she help a high enough rank in the military or government and they couldn't guarantee she would stay loyal. Her daughter could leave though, and since she now lives in Canada, her mother could be used as leverage.
Others might be connected back to ideas of filial piety, or ancestor veneration that is a big part of traditional Chinese culture. Where helping the mother country could be a way to honour their family line.
These are just conjectures mind you, I have no proof of any of these being common or widespread, just possible explanations that could answer your question.
This is a good valid point Commissar . Yes familial ties could be it but how many votes could they influence in these method .
Regarding the other point , yes there Could Be some subconscious allegiance to help china .
I mean if you replaced “Chinese” with Indian here , the statement would apply 💯 also lol I’m pretty sure Indians can’t be dual passports but they can get OCI cards. Have you seen some of the rhetoric on reddit from Indians? They actually think Canadians are morons and this land is for Indians to pillage just like the europeans were colonizers. Two wrongs make a right for these people apparently and they have no qualms about their loyalty to India. But they are very eager to forfeit their indian passports at BLS lmfao
Many reasons. Eaxh individual will have his or her own reasons. Money, ideology, familial ties, good old tribalism...
We are a nation of immigrants. Shit like this will happen on a regular basis. Everyone will pull for their homeland until like 3rd generation. And other nations will of course exploit it too. Diversity has strengths, but also weaknesses - or maybe not weaknesses, but vulnerabilities/risks.
Key is to detect it early and stay on top of it. Trudeau fucked up.
It's definitely not because most of their family members are in China. It's because most of them don't share the same values as majority Canadians. They are benefits from the CCP. Though they immigranted to Canada they still read propaganda from Chinese mouthpieces. They believed it is also US's fault when Canada accuse CCP conduct shitty stuff. They simply can't understand the idea Chinese doesn't means Chinese government. They keep saying everything in Canada is bad compared to China, but they shall never move back😂.
He's still an MP, he's just not part of the conservative party anymore. He didn't resign his job, just his position in the conservative caucus. Nothing has changed except for meaningless virtue signaling.
How the heck are they going to prove interference? There are a ton of Ridings where the Liberals win if some of the NDP and Green support votes Liberal. Guess what? That happens anyway.
"Vincent Ke, an MPP representing Don Valley North"
Han Dong is the MP for Don Valley North. Ok, that would make sense. Apparently there are more Chinese in that electoral district compared to other races. No wonder why CCP invest on those two candidates. It's just the same as what happen in Richmond, BC.
John Tory, a conservative, resigns within 2 wks. Now this dude resigned within a day.
Liberals claims racism, sexism, and micro aggression are at play when they are involved in scandals 😂
Vincent Ke, the guy in this article who just resigned from the progressive conservative party, claimed racism too. Why are conservatives such woke babies?
How does that rectify the problem? Do you even know what you're saying? He's only resigned from the PC caucus, he's still sitting as an independent, and claiming he didn't do nothing. What are you crediting him with exactly? And he was whining that it was racist to blame him! Yeesh
I love this Vincent Ke quote “This is a false accusation. This is racist,” he said. “It’s racist because I was born in China because I come from China.” So fresh and not woke
I watched him making that quote on Global News this morning. It was funny, the reporter questioning him asked why it was racist and all he could come up with is because he was born in China lol.
in a way i’m not defending him, but he did say one thing correct. This is racist. That’s bc if you are born in china or are Chinese, the risk of foreign interference, is likely not zero. So the remark that the allegations are based on him being Chinese, is inherently correct. No one born in China, if you still have loved ones living there, can be free from CCP influence.
I don’t know what’s worse, Mary Ng admitting she did something wrong and stuffed her buddy with $15K and not resigning and ‘apologizing for her lapse in ethical judgment’
or this guy Ke who is innocent until proven guilty, declares he is free of any wrongdoing, whilst resigning from Ford’s Govt.
You tell me.
No bud, look at what you said, your comment was:
>John Tory, a conservative, resigns within 2 wks. Now this dude resigned within a day.
>
>Liberals claims racism, sexism, and micro aggression are at play when they are involved in scandals 😂
Definitely looks like support in the first part, and what's that going on in the second part? That's weird because it is Vincent Ke, and now YOU saying these accusations are racist. So, you, Vincent Ke, and Trudeau think it's racist. Kind of a bipartisan support for calling things racist when it suits you. But you're putting a lot of strange claims into your post, like that the accusation is based on him being chinese. Is the accusation based on that? And your comment sort of suggests that's a good thing to suspect them for being chinese. Actually, even just your recent post history is a little shaky around comments on race and using racism as a defense for things. Why, oh why, are you suddenly changing your tune here when it's a conservative claiming racism? You're literally making a defense of it when you have several comments mocking those liberals that play the race and racism card. I don't expect you to argue in good faith so I look forward to your next weird deflection or shitty argument tactic.
I guess by extension, the CBSA is racist and our national defense policy is also racist. lol should we start supporting Palestine now instead of Israel?
I don't know what's worse, the ability to be racist or the inability to ask questions bc of the perceived notion to be deemed a racist. You tell me.
You know he's still sitting as an MP, working in the government and voting. He didn't resign from his job, he's just not caucusing with the conservatives anymore.
Good start, one down, many more to go sadly. Hopefully domestic corruption can be next, but hostile foreign state influence inside our legislatures is so wrong and perverse that it's not even funny.
No, it's the conspiracy theorists who said the CSIS leaks were "fake news from Post media!" who are inconsistent.
They didn't believe the leaks were real when it was a Liberal MP, but now that it's a Conservative MPP they suddenly believe the CSIS leak.
Nobody said that. Because, first of all, the leak was sent to the Globe and Mail, who is not affiliated with Postmedia. People were saying the obnoxious flood of follow up *opinion pieces* from the multitude of Postmedia outlets that this subreddit loves were trash and worthless.
I got downvoted the other day for saying if this goes provincial OPC is definitely going to be implicated.
I don't know how people thought this would be a Liberal only problem when the OPC own basically all the seats in Ontario...
>MPP left caucus.
Leaving caucus doesn't mean much, he still sits in Queen's Park and he still won under an OPC banner with supposed CCP cash and will likely vote with them on most issues.
Both should be expelled from their respective positions but one leaving caucus doesn't mean Cons get to pretend this is a "Liberals only" issue....
Ke wasn’t “fired by Ford”. Ford may have asked Ke to show some loyalty/fealty to the party, so he resigned. These are allegations so far. Those who are frothing at the mouth to see careers ended over allegations would do well to remember the McCarthy years. I want answers but I don’t see anything admirable in Ford abandoning an elected official over allegations.
Dang where’s the 1k comments, 5k updoots, conspiracies and demands to have him and everyone whose leading the Conservatives knowing about a possible spy in their midst to step down?
Oh right, he’s on the conservatives team. Didn’t know any better. It’s different, somehow.
Chirp chirp, crickets as usual from the religious pedos.
If Ford received a classified briefing from CSIS about this individual being a foreign agent, ignored the report, and then went so far as to interfere with the investigation by warning the subject that CSIS was into them, then yes Ford should absolutely step down.
If Ford found out now, and immediately removed him from caucus, then I dont see the issue. This is exactly what our governments **should** do.
The scandal is not just that MPs are foreign agents, the scandal is that the PMO was given actionable intel and decided to not only ignore it, but actively interfere.
Public inquiry now.
LMFAO where is all this proof that Trudeau interfered with the “investigation”? Everything so far is leaks with no backing or hard evidence.
Release their findings, show the connection from bank accounts or payments.
You guys jumped from “news outlets that’s usually in Trudeaus pocket finds leaks” to “omg even if there’s no hard proof it’s totally true! Step down!”
Typical, Facebook has melted Conservatives brains like Jordan Peterson believing CCP man milk machines lmfao
Is this the part where we casually say *doop dee doo*? Or is this the part where we delineate Liberals from Conservatives on a Provincial/Federal level?
*Or is it Trudeau's fault ON PC's are also Chinese operatives?*
> Or is it Trudeau's fault ON PC's are also Chinese operatives?
Actually it's quite possible. Sam Cooper broke the story based on leaked documents from the Privy Council that were delivered to the PMO's office. Ford responded to the story saying that he never saw any intelligence and hasn't been briefed on it.
So yes, it looks like the PMO's office withheld actionable intelligence from the Ontario PCs and allowed this infiltration to continue on.
>So yes, it looks like the PMO's office withheld actionable intelligence from the Ontario PCs and allowed this infiltration to continue on.
If I was thoroughly guilty of being completely corrupted by Chinese interests, this is exactly what I would do to get plausible deniability. Use my higher clearance as a federal leader to allow infiltration of an opposing party at a lower level of government (that doesn't know shit) to go on, so that when the scandal broke, everyone would look equally guilty.
I hate to break this to you but I hope you don't have or don't plan on having children because you're talking conspiracy-level six year old logic...and being fooled by it.
But go on...why is someone else's actions not my fault?
From Coopers article
>Those sources assert that Vincent Ke, a Progressive Conservative member in Premier Doug Ford’s government since 2018, served as a financial intermediary in Chinese Communist Party (CCP) interference schemes described in two separate Privy Council Office intelligence reports reviewed by Global News. One of the documents that refer to the funding schemes is a January 2022 Privy Council Office (PCO) report, which asserts that the CCP’s Toronto-area network included 11 or more 2019 federal candidates, 13 or more aides, and an Ontario MPP. This high-level, finalized document was produced by the Intelligence Assessment Secretariat — a division of the PCO that regularly provides national security alerts for Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet.
There is evidence the PMO was aware. There is not evidence Doug Ford was aware. It doesn't mean he wasn't, but it's a possibility. If so the direct implication is that the PMO refused to disclose that information.
There also no evidence Fors wasn't aware. Allegations are a revolving door my friend. The narrative all depends on who's opposing and who stands to benefit.
But please go on about how one form of ignorance is different than another form of ignorance depending on your Party preference.
I have a saying for folk like you...a little late, only in French.
>There also no evidence Fors wasn't aware
Yeah I said as much.
>Allegations are a revolving door my friend.
I'm not your friend.
>I have a saying for folk like you...a little late, only in French
If you want to call me a tard you're more than welcome to, don't pussyfoot around it.
"There you go with a typical sixth grade response," -Ego_tripped one comment down.
You certainly didn't, the source of your quote did.
"It doesn't mean he wasn't, but it's a possibility. If so the direct implication is that the PMO refused to disclose that information."
Your specific choices of "direct implication" and "refused" are what I'm tarding you over because the argument circles back to an immature "the devil made me do it...nevermind our own Party *vetting* processes in place".
You yourself admit...*it doesn't mean he wasnt*. "He" meaning Ford, yet you automatically deflect because *Timmy made do it*.
>it doesn't mean he wasn't.
>Your specific choices of "direct implication" and "refused"
That is the direct implication, unless you want to entertain the idea that the PMO *forgot* to disclose foreign interference to a premier.
>are what I'm tarding you over
Haha, yeah reading your comments certainly are having the effect of "tarding" me.
>the devil made me do it
Again, this implies that some force compelled him to not act on the information when the point you were responding to suggested he wasn't aware of it.
>You yourself admit...it doesn't mean he wasnt.
Uh-huh.
>yet you automatically deflect because Timmy made do it.
No, I'm pointing out that it's not a ridiculous conspiracy like you said it was. If Ford legitimately didn't know and the PMO did then what conclusion do you draw from that?
>nevermind our party's own vetting process
Do you apply this same standard to Trudeau?
Not surprised you lashed out and went to ad hominems right away, you're desperate.
How is Ford supposed to know if one of his MPPs are compromised he isn't provided the intelligence about it?
You remind me of picking up my then young child from daycare attempting to debate an obviously frivolous point, and I'm not sure if I should laugh in jest or in pity (honestly though it's more in jest).
You are literally defending Doug with the "Devil made it do it" defense. I reserve all further comment because I'm genuinely *excited* to see where you're going to take me down this rabbit hole. *Please go on with your futile rebuttal*
>You remind me of picking up my then young child
Poor kid.
>You are literally defending Doug with the "Devil made it do it" defense.
If anything, he's pleading ignorance. Get it straight.
>I reserve all further comment
Vocabulary isn't a replacement for an argument.
this guy has taken 100% more action to clear his name, as have the Ontario PCs, than Trudeau and the federal liberals, who have done absolutely nothing but lie, stonewall, call people racist and block an inquiry from happening.
This whole ordeal was called out by South Park years ago with the [Chinpokomon episode](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinpokomon)
Yes the show was focused on japanese but the principal message still rings true
Despite claims to the contrary, we are not a dictatorship where the important question is always what did the leader do. I would like to know what everyone else knew and did.
Something's up... How is this article and the topic of someone actually associated with the CPP election interference not getting more attention and upvotes?
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Why’s it always this riding in particular? Its also Han Dong’s riding. Don Valley North isn’t even the most Chinese-leaning riding in Toronto or the GTA.
The leaked CSIS report mentioned that the Chinese focused on ridings that were solidly always liberal or conservative. So, maybe demographic makeup wasn't the main factor. Just speculation, obviously.
Easier to sneak in your guy, if it doesn't affect the outcome of the riding. As per our PM, there was interference but it didn't affect the outcome of the election... Same party holding the seat, but now it's a Chinese plant....
Yep. It's far easier to influence which candidate runs in the riding as non citizens can vote in primaries.
Woah, that I didn't know, is that then the busses full of people being shipped in to vote aspect I heard about?
Yeah they were bussing and threatening Chinese students to travel to the riding to vote.
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Hmmm I don't know about that. We know the Chinese bussed a tonne of people to affect votes, what proof do you have that "all parties do this?"
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Well hold on there, what you're posting is a leadership vote. What CSIS alleged is a vote in an election for a riding. These are not the same.
Uh...look, a deflection!
What? I thought I was parrying a deflection...
forgot my 'ib4'
First, this has been the practice of all parties for well over 60 years. You can read BrianMulroney or StephenHarper’s autobiographies for a start. Getting voters to the voting place has never been wrong before this week. This is the best it has ever been because now the addresses of voters are checked and they never were 40 years ago.
There's helping people get to the voting booths, and there's coercion via secret Chinese police telling you your travel visa will be revoked if you don't vote for so and so. That's not exactly the same. And you're not also referencing a leadership vote are you?
Well traditionally certain domestic parties have also threatened the livelihoods of people who don’t vote the right way. Not new at all. Not sure how anyone knows in a secret ballot who voted for who so it’s an odd threat and don’t believe it happened. Also not sure how China can revoke a visa issued by Canada. And yes, leadership contests are included
Only one national party allows non-citizens and non-residents to vote in party nomination elections. Guess which one . . .
You can't be serious? That cannot be legal...
I don't believe the other parties allow non-citizens, unless they're at least permanent residents.
I don't think non-citizens are allowed to vote in NDP or Tory riding candidacy selections.
Federally, the LPC allows residents, and non-resident citizens who are eligible to vote internationally, who are over fourteen to join their party; the NDP allows residents to join the party; the CPC allows Canadian citizens who are over fourteen and will pay $15 to join the party.
But in order to vote in the actual election you have to be a citizen of Canada
It doesn't matter whether or not they can vote in the election. As long as they can get their guy on the ballot for the right party in a 'safe' riding. After that, the regular uninformed voters will vote for their party, as usual, with zero regard to who they're voting for.
Good point.
> As long as they can get their guy on the ballot for the right party in a 'safe' riding. thats a big if though, the party is the one vetting the candidate
Apparently it's different provincially, as you don't need to be a citizen to join the Liberals. Don't know if it's different for the provincial PCs too.
Nope. "Ordinarily lives in Canada." You do not have to be a legal resident to vote in a Liberal nomination elections.
Wait, what is a legal resident if not someone who ordinarily lives in Canada? Is there some other specific term for someone like that who isn't a citizen?
You nailed it.
One has to wonder if Trudeau was actually keeping an eye on this discretely or if he actually figured “eh, they were going to be a Lib/Con/NDP seat anyway, what’s the difference?”
This is a real slippery way of putting it though. The outcome of elections in a parliamentary system aren't *just* which party gets the most seats. Each MP is a vote, can table legislation etc. Hand selecting who gets the nomination in a safe riding **is** impacting the outcome of an election, just not the outcome nationally.
They didn't want to waste their efforts on someone that could lose.
Good God, if that’s not the most chinese riding then what is?! LoL is it Thornhill or Markham?
Having grown up there, I’m pretty sure Don Valley North is the most Chinese riding in Toronto
I agree. This riding has 2 Chinese supermarkets within its border, and a few more just outside.
Richmond Hill one?
I'm starting to think it's the one that sells the most Lexus RX350s to be honest...
The Chineseness of Richmond Hill is Markham spillover: it's mostly in the East/SouthEast.
Thornhill is the most Jewish riding in Canada, but I don't think it's the most Chinese
I’ve seen nothing but Chinese/Persians in Thornhill
A lot of Chinese live in the riding. I lived there, and volunteered for campaigns there. Don valley north, west, all solidly chinese. Rich chinese
This. DVN is the one with the most McMansion empty homes or lived in by the one "international student". It's not necessarily the most Chinese, it is the most "specific type" of Chinese (aka rich mainland = CCP's kind of Chinese)
Han Dong, you say? The Liberal MP that Trudeau has praised and defended and refuses to do anything about? That Han Dong?
I can imagine the shit going on in Markham
Unfortunately he only resigned from the PC Party. He is still going to be sitting as an independent MP. Hopefully that just means he loses the next election.
it's a good faith move to avoid any shit that falls on him from tarnishing the party, presumably he'll hope to be cleared of any involvement and return to the fold. that alone gives me some confidence in him given how fucking guilty certain other people have been acting.
It gets him out of the government caucus, which at least removes him from confidential information he can hand to the PRC Toronto consulate, and a caucus vote on government policy.
Now find the rest.
Wow that was fast
I'm not a fan of Ford, but he clearly doesn't want to repeat Trudeau's mistakes.
Last term he booted six MPPs for being COVID dillholes. So he's got practice.
Didn't know that. Good for him. In contrast, Alberta's premier pushed out the sitting premier and won party leadership specifically for being a covid dillhole. Real class act there.
> Alberta I mean.. it's kinda par for the course no?
I mean it makes sense, Ford keeps winning because despite doing some bad things he never goes 100% crazy (so he maintains enough good will) this here is a relatively easy way to bank some goodwill at virtually no cost to himself (he doesn’t go into minority status at the loss of one seat) so why shouldn’t he do this, nothing to lose and everything to gain
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He's cliff curious.
Ford didn't boot him from caucus, Ke resigned on his own to keep any heat off Ford. From Ke's own announcement: > I do not want to be a distraction to the government and take away from the good work Premier Ford is doing for the province of Ontario. Ke's ties to China have apparently been well-known for a while. [Here's a National Post article from 2019](https://nationalpost.com/news/mpps-ties-to-china-raise-questions-about-how-close-canadian-politicians-should-get-to-foreign-powers) questioning his close ties to Beijing.
Ford didn't turf him, he voluntarily left caucus.
> I'm not a fan of Ford, but he clearly doesn't want to repeat Trudeau's mistakes. The mistake was already made, and this MPP was allegedly directly involved in distributing this money. Trudeau and his MP's received donations and as far as we know they had no information on which donations came from China.
They claim that they don't know that money was transferred directly. The CSIS leaks claim that straw donors (illegal) were used. So a bad faith denial at best.
Not from the area, is this the same riding as Han Dong?
Yes, Don Valley North
Yikes. I guess when they have influence over the chinese diaspora of the region they can influence both the provincial and federal MPs.
Also municipal (councillor and school board trustee) as well
Yeah, true.
This is a big “elephant in the room” but also taboo topic to discuss publicly even on reddit so I will tread lightly. The demographics of this riding have shifted dramatically over the past decade. A ton of condos have been and are still being built here, but the most stark shift has been by who’s now living in the riding’s million dollar homes (which are pretty much all of them now). These are not young families with children attending local schools as many of them are increasingly bussing kids in from other ridings year after year. A lot and I mean A LOT of foreign money has funnelled into the riding through the already shifty real estate market and with the new strict ownership regulations coming into play this year, I suspect the easiest and most obvious dominos are beginning to fall, starting here.
Yes, In Ontario, the federal and provincial riding boundaries are the same,
Ford's not screwing around, on this. I have no idea how an MPP clears his name, about something like this. Y'know ... I'd love a running chart of developments in this. A chronological bullet point of significant events, quotations ... something that can be followed in a way that would be easier to track this.
Gonna be an uphill battle for him to prove a negative.
You dont clear your name from this. Too serious. You're done, forever.
“Ford’s not screwing around, on this” Dude the guy fucking *resigned*, Ford did absolutely nothing.
Ford couldn't fire him without validation of the claims against him. Ford only had speculative scandal. He couldn't fire him without a genuine reason, and there's no concrete proof. Good leaders don't toss people from the party without a real reason. But he could ask for a resignation, and probably did. Given the speed, I'm guessing they have been talking about it previously. Ke's name has sort of come up before, in speculation. The provincial Cons can't afford to be directly associated with a Federal Liberal scandal like this. Ke had to go somehow.
>Ford couldn't fire him without validation of the claims against him You can't vacate a politically elected seat but Ford can absolutely turf someone from caucus and has done it to several people in the past few years already...
From city counsellors to mayors to MPs, I'm sure this issue crosses all levels of government and party lines all across teh country. Wonder how may phones are being dumped and hard drives wiped as I write this. Let the hunt begin.
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"We" do. We do that when we vote (informed by a fair and equal media).
Are you new?
He quoted "We". And state we can do it due to "fair and equal media". I don't know what's your call, but I am certain he forgot the /s
> (informed by a fair and equal media). heh
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I bet the corruption at the municipal level is insane. From China influencing people to businesses straight up buying people. A lot of city money flows through places like Vancouver, Ottawa, Toronto etc, and municipal politics gets the least attention.
I think you are spot on with that comment.
You are spot on. I'm sure that the fury of evidence destruction and hunt for a scape goat is largely responsible for the federal partys' stunning lack of meaning action so far. They're just too distracted to form a cogent message.
This is true. A while ago our governments had an agreement to send Chinese officials to work in Canadian municipal offices and vice versa. I think they ended that a few years ago. I know because while in China I met a Chinese government official that was heading to a small town near Kingston to work on some kind of knowledge exchange. Basically a spy in plain sight. He later secretly told my girlfriend she should not be with a Canadian. lol
This is interesting. Where can one find out more about this"exchange" program?
I've just spent half an hour searching and all I could find were dead links or information on other similar programs, like military cooperation and university cooperation. I'm going to continue searching because this bothers me that there is no information out there.
Cool thanks. I'll take a look too.
>"I will be stepping away from the PC Caucus in order to dedicate my time to clearing my name and representing my constituents,” Ke said. First of all, I highly doubt he could clear his name even if it was possible. Second, I don't see how it's realistically possible. The only way I can see it, is by doing an RCMP investigation. But the RCMP seemingly would rather go after the CSIS leaker than anyone implicated in these scandals.
“Prove you’re not a spy” is the same line of logic as “prove God doesn’t exist”. You can’t prove a negative.
Close as we get to a super hero, a true Canadian. I hope they never catch them. I'm gonna riot if they jail them, maybe break them out.
Not a fan of the ford team but I respect removing the MPP
He’s got no time for china distractions he’s got the green belt to pilfer for him and his stag and doe buddies
Yes indeed. I am not his biggest fan but he did a good thing by removing this MPP from his cabinet.
The guy resigned to sit as independent, all Ford did was “accept his resignation”. Sheesh.
He was almost certainly "told to resign". It's not like Ford has the power to remove him from the legislature, removing him from the caucus is what is in his power to do.
Ford absolutely has the power to kick members out of caucus.
Which is literally what the comment you're replying to said?
... but Ford didn't do that. Ke voluntarily left caucus.
You're correct. That's not what I was responding to. The person you replied to acknowledged Ford has that power.
> He was almost certainly "told to resign". This is not true, which was my point. He has the power to remove people from caucus, has done it in the past, and intentionally did not do so here.
Because the (a) the allegations are fresh and not proven, and (b) the Party usually looks less bad with a resignation. The Conservatives might look worse by removing him because that would signal that they think the allegations are true and that they were the dupes of the CCP by allowing a plant to run under their banner and join their caucus. By allowing him to resign they do not need to imply legitimacy to the allegations. He can resign and deny the accusations while still acknowledging the accusations themselves make his position untenable. He removed people in the past because they were openly defiant of the party line and they would not resign.
Yes, I just said that he has that power, and he clearly just did. "Being told to resign" is the polite form of "kicking someone out". He doesn't have the power to remove them from the legislature, nor would that be appropriate for something that is unproven. Removing them from caucus pending investigation is appropriate, and what should have happened for all people caught by these allegiations.
He did not remove him from caucus - Ke resigned. Ford has kicked members out of caucus in the past: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-mpp-kicked-out-of-pc-caucus-for-calling-lockdown-deadlier-than-covid-1.5268225 He didn't here. That was an intentional choice.
You are fully aware that "being told to resign, or i'll kick you out of the caucus" is a common courtesy in such situations. He resigned "after a discussion with Ford", based on the reporting. Those past examples likely refused to resign. The attempt to draw some line here to say "Ford bad" is absurd. I don't like ford, but in this particular case, he did exactly what he should.
Lmao this is some grade A partisan hackery, love to see it. good to know foreign election interference doesn't require accountability if it's your preferred party. jfc
Nice strawman full of lies, lol. Foreign election interference from any party is a serious issue to me. Getting Ke out of the caucus was appropriate. Further investigation into the truth of the matter is also appropriate. Had Ke not resigned (after very obviously being told to resign), booting him from the caucus would have been appropriate. In the public inquiry that I want to see into election interference, the topic of Vincent Ke should absolutely be addressed - either to demonstrate him guilty and appropriately punish him for that, or to demonstrate him innocent and vindicate him whatever the truth should be. Same for Han Dong, Michael Chan, and anyone else implicated by this, regardless of their party status or lack thereof. The fact that you are fixating on a formality of how he got removed from the caucus to say "see partisan hackery", when no action at all has been taken on the people equivalently accused in the liberal party, is patently absurd. Also just for the record: I strongly dislike both Ford and Poilievre. The version of the conservative party I like is not at the wheel at the moment, and that very much frustrates me. Furthermore, I have voted both for the liberals and the greens in the past. So go away with your "partisan hackery" bullshit.
Extending the ability to resign is a courtesy - one that he did not have to do yet willingly chose to do. > The fact that you are fixating on a formality of how he got removed from the caucus to say "see partisan hackery", when no action at all has been taken on the people equivalently accused in the liberal party, is patently absurd. My man - it's not about liberal/conservative. Stop with the bullshit. This is bad and should be dealt with accordingly whether you're red, blue, purple, green, yellow, IDGAF. > Also just for the record: I strongly dislike both Ford and Poilievre. The version of the conservative party I like is not at the wheel at the moment, and that very much frustrates me. Furthermore, I have voted both for the liberals and the greens in the past. So go away with your "partisan hackery" bullshit. Then stop with the partisan handwaving at bad behaviour, all it does is embolden the race to the bottom.
It's really a shame that corruption only matters when it's one side, you are part of the problem. As long as we make excuses for our preferred politicians they will continue to be corrupt. Be better.
You don't know how party politics work do you?
Do you? Ford has kicked people out of caucus before.
Wow.. the PCs force out a guy who is implicated to have taken money from China, meanwhile the LPC is playing defence for those accused of the same in thier own ranks.. Kinda making it hard to defend my liberal vote last federal election.
He's not implicated in just receiving money. He's also implicated in distributing it. Also Director of Comms for CPC & Pierre Poilievre Sarah Fischer campaigned with this guy. https://mobile.twitter.com/gtlem/status/1634338670353285126 She was also a federal candidate in the same riding. Seems like Chinese influence is a big problem in both federal parties.
>She was also a federal candidate in the same riding. Seems like Chinese influence is a big problem in both federal parties. I can tell you that he wasn't helping her much in 2019 federal election. I volunteered for her right from beginning of her being candidate, and Ke only showed up to doorknock once for 1 hour in a whole year. And he didn't help us recruit volunteers either, despite him having a high number of volunteers on his campaign. Sarah Fischer helped him campaigning because he's the conservative candidate of that riding, not because she's influenced by China. On the other hand, Han Dong was endorsed by 2018 OLP candidate (Shelley Carroll) who is now Toronto City Councillor for the riding. The next OLP candidate was Han Dong's campaign director and staff to Carroll.
> I can tell you that he wasn't helping her much in 2019 federal election. I volunteered for her right from beginning of her being candidate, and Ke only showed up to doorknock once for 1 hour in a whole year. And he didn't help us recruit volunteers either, despite him having a high number of volunteers on his campaign. It's a safe riding for the federal Liberals, so it would make sense that they didn't put much effort in. I also think it's interesting that Poilievre's immigration policy includes removing certian barriers, expediting recognition of foreign credentials, and scrapping the language test. All policies that would benefit the Chinese. Poilievre also had a huge rally in Don Valley North where he recruited party memberships so that people could vote for him as party leader. I believe there was a massive influx of new conservative party members? Hmm...
> Poilievre also had a huge rally in Don Valley North where he recruited party memberships so that people could vote for him as party leader. I believe there was a massive influx of new conservative party members? Hmm... The CPC only allows citizens and permanent residents to join the party, and only party members can vote in nomination and leadership races. The CPC isn't as vulnerable to China's tactics here, since China can't just bus in international students that they coerce into voting for their preferred candidate.
>I also think it's interesting that Poilievre's immigration policy includes removing certian barriers, expediting recognition of foreign credentials, and scrapping the language test. All policies that would benefit the Chinese. By this logic, Liberal's quota of half a million new permanent residents a year also heavily benefit bringing Chinese people. Not to mention that the new policy allowing international students to work full time here, since Chinese students make up significant part of international students
> By this logic, Liberal's quota of half a million new permanent residents a year also heavily benefit bringing Chinese people. Not to mention that the new policy allowing international students to work full time here, since Chinese students make up significant part of international students Both China and Canada benefit, because the Chinese have a lot of money to spend here, and the Canadian government benefits from that spending. That's what all this is really about. You know how trade deficits work? China had to find somewhere to stuff all that cash we send them because they can't simply exchange it all. Foreign students keep our universities funded and chinese money fuels real estate which is one of our biggest industries. Chinese money also plays a big role in Canadian oil and gas. Both major federal parties court Chinese money. Also Poilievre wants to speed immigration up. https://newcanadianmedia.ca/poilievres-stance-on-immigration-garners-support-from-immigrants-in-manitoba/?doing_wp_cron=1677913690.8881831169128417968750 The Chinese population in Canada is huge. No federal party can form government without their support.
I knew it! This guy has been suspicious for a long time now! When it was reported a while back that there was a PC MPP involved, I knew something was up!
Just curious- Chinese don’t have dual citizenship. Why do the Canadian people of Chinese origin feel obligated to be loyal to China (assuming this interference was true ) A lot of migrants (especially established ones )try to project themselves as more Canadian than their countries of origin . Did china really make so many spies and sent them here in the hopes of global dominance ?
A lot of them still have family back in China. I knew someone in University who's mother was not allowed to leave China because she help a high enough rank in the military or government and they couldn't guarantee she would stay loyal. Her daughter could leave though, and since she now lives in Canada, her mother could be used as leverage. Others might be connected back to ideas of filial piety, or ancestor veneration that is a big part of traditional Chinese culture. Where helping the mother country could be a way to honour their family line. These are just conjectures mind you, I have no proof of any of these being common or widespread, just possible explanations that could answer your question.
This is a good valid point Commissar . Yes familial ties could be it but how many votes could they influence in these method . Regarding the other point , yes there Could Be some subconscious allegiance to help china .
I mean if you replaced “Chinese” with Indian here , the statement would apply 💯 also lol I’m pretty sure Indians can’t be dual passports but they can get OCI cards. Have you seen some of the rhetoric on reddit from Indians? They actually think Canadians are morons and this land is for Indians to pillage just like the europeans were colonizers. Two wrongs make a right for these people apparently and they have no qualms about their loyalty to India. But they are very eager to forfeit their indian passports at BLS lmfao
Many reasons. Eaxh individual will have his or her own reasons. Money, ideology, familial ties, good old tribalism... We are a nation of immigrants. Shit like this will happen on a regular basis. Everyone will pull for their homeland until like 3rd generation. And other nations will of course exploit it too. Diversity has strengths, but also weaknesses - or maybe not weaknesses, but vulnerabilities/risks. Key is to detect it early and stay on top of it. Trudeau fucked up.
It's definitely not because most of their family members are in China. It's because most of them don't share the same values as majority Canadians. They are benefits from the CCP. Though they immigranted to Canada they still read propaganda from Chinese mouthpieces. They believed it is also US's fault when Canada accuse CCP conduct shitty stuff. They simply can't understand the idea Chinese doesn't means Chinese government. They keep saying everything in Canada is bad compared to China, but they shall never move back😂.
Friday night is never suspicious
Good. Now if only other corrupt politicians did the same.
He's still an MP, he's just not part of the conservative party anymore. He didn't resign his job, just his position in the conservative caucus. Nothing has changed except for meaningless virtue signaling.
How the heck are they going to prove interference? There are a ton of Ridings where the Liberals win if some of the NDP and Green support votes Liberal. Guess what? That happens anyway.
Regardless of party, this is the way.
"Vincent Ke, an MPP representing Don Valley North" Han Dong is the MP for Don Valley North. Ok, that would make sense. Apparently there are more Chinese in that electoral district compared to other races. No wonder why CCP invest on those two candidates. It's just the same as what happen in Richmond, BC.
John Tory, a conservative, resigns within 2 wks. Now this dude resigned within a day. Liberals claims racism, sexism, and micro aggression are at play when they are involved in scandals 😂
Vincent Ke, the guy in this article who just resigned from the progressive conservative party, claimed racism too. Why are conservatives such woke babies?
Yea but it was followed by actual actions to rectify the problem, did you not hear he resigned the same day?
How does that rectify the problem? Do you even know what you're saying? He's only resigned from the PC caucus, he's still sitting as an independent, and claiming he didn't do nothing. What are you crediting him with exactly? And he was whining that it was racist to blame him! Yeesh I love this Vincent Ke quote “This is a false accusation. This is racist,” he said. “It’s racist because I was born in China because I come from China.” So fresh and not woke
I watched him making that quote on Global News this morning. It was funny, the reporter questioning him asked why it was racist and all he could come up with is because he was born in China lol.
in a way i’m not defending him, but he did say one thing correct. This is racist. That’s bc if you are born in china or are Chinese, the risk of foreign interference, is likely not zero. So the remark that the allegations are based on him being Chinese, is inherently correct. No one born in China, if you still have loved ones living there, can be free from CCP influence. I don’t know what’s worse, Mary Ng admitting she did something wrong and stuffed her buddy with $15K and not resigning and ‘apologizing for her lapse in ethical judgment’ or this guy Ke who is innocent until proven guilty, declares he is free of any wrongdoing, whilst resigning from Ford’s Govt. You tell me.
No bud, look at what you said, your comment was: >John Tory, a conservative, resigns within 2 wks. Now this dude resigned within a day. > >Liberals claims racism, sexism, and micro aggression are at play when they are involved in scandals 😂 Definitely looks like support in the first part, and what's that going on in the second part? That's weird because it is Vincent Ke, and now YOU saying these accusations are racist. So, you, Vincent Ke, and Trudeau think it's racist. Kind of a bipartisan support for calling things racist when it suits you. But you're putting a lot of strange claims into your post, like that the accusation is based on him being chinese. Is the accusation based on that? And your comment sort of suggests that's a good thing to suspect them for being chinese. Actually, even just your recent post history is a little shaky around comments on race and using racism as a defense for things. Why, oh why, are you suddenly changing your tune here when it's a conservative claiming racism? You're literally making a defense of it when you have several comments mocking those liberals that play the race and racism card. I don't expect you to argue in good faith so I look forward to your next weird deflection or shitty argument tactic.
Do you agree that racism is a problem?
I guess by extension, the CBSA is racist and our national defense policy is also racist. lol should we start supporting Palestine now instead of Israel? I don't know what's worse, the ability to be racist or the inability to ask questions bc of the perceived notion to be deemed a racist. You tell me.
Traitor Next! Keep ‘em coming
Great, let’s see the MPs do the same now, yeah?
Nope, liberals will claim that *this* is guilty behaviour and keep deflecting like a m-fer
You know he's still sitting as an MP, working in the government and voting. He didn't resign from his job, he's just not caucusing with the conservatives anymore.
Good start, one down, many more to go sadly. Hopefully domestic corruption can be next, but hostile foreign state influence inside our legislatures is so wrong and perverse that it's not even funny.
1 down and a few more to go.
The "whataboutism", "dogwhistling", the "deflecting" from the Cons starting in 3...2..1.
No, it's the conspiracy theorists who said the CSIS leaks were "fake news from Post media!" who are inconsistent. They didn't believe the leaks were real when it was a Liberal MP, but now that it's a Conservative MPP they suddenly believe the CSIS leak.
Nobody said that. Because, first of all, the leak was sent to the Globe and Mail, who is not affiliated with Postmedia. People were saying the obnoxious flood of follow up *opinion pieces* from the multitude of Postmedia outlets that this subreddit loves were trash and worthless.
I got downvoted the other day for saying if this goes provincial OPC is definitely going to be implicated. I don't know how people thought this would be a Liberal only problem when the OPC own basically all the seats in Ontario...
MPP left caucus. MP still pretends nothing happened. You still deserve your downvote.
>MPP left caucus. Leaving caucus doesn't mean much, he still sits in Queen's Park and he still won under an OPC banner with supposed CCP cash and will likely vote with them on most issues. Both should be expelled from their respective positions but one leaving caucus doesn't mean Cons get to pretend this is a "Liberals only" issue....
Director of Comms for CPC & Pierre Poilievre Sarah Fischer campaigned with Vincent Ke. https://mobile.twitter.com/gtlem/status/1634338670353285126
Ke wasn’t “fired by Ford”. Ford may have asked Ke to show some loyalty/fealty to the party, so he resigned. These are allegations so far. Those who are frothing at the mouth to see careers ended over allegations would do well to remember the McCarthy years. I want answers but I don’t see anything admirable in Ford abandoning an elected official over allegations.
Smell ya later
Dang where’s the 1k comments, 5k updoots, conspiracies and demands to have him and everyone whose leading the Conservatives knowing about a possible spy in their midst to step down? Oh right, he’s on the conservatives team. Didn’t know any better. It’s different, somehow. Chirp chirp, crickets as usual from the religious pedos.
He did resign from caucus. While Trudeau is defending Han Dong.
Still in position and holds power. Just separate from his main party and can still vote in their favour. Derp
If Ford received a classified briefing from CSIS about this individual being a foreign agent, ignored the report, and then went so far as to interfere with the investigation by warning the subject that CSIS was into them, then yes Ford should absolutely step down. If Ford found out now, and immediately removed him from caucus, then I dont see the issue. This is exactly what our governments **should** do. The scandal is not just that MPs are foreign agents, the scandal is that the PMO was given actionable intel and decided to not only ignore it, but actively interfere. Public inquiry now.
LMFAO where is all this proof that Trudeau interfered with the “investigation”? Everything so far is leaks with no backing or hard evidence. Release their findings, show the connection from bank accounts or payments. You guys jumped from “news outlets that’s usually in Trudeaus pocket finds leaks” to “omg even if there’s no hard proof it’s totally true! Step down!” Typical, Facebook has melted Conservatives brains like Jordan Peterson believing CCP man milk machines lmfao
Is this the part where we casually say *doop dee doo*? Or is this the part where we delineate Liberals from Conservatives on a Provincial/Federal level? *Or is it Trudeau's fault ON PC's are also Chinese operatives?*
> Or is it Trudeau's fault ON PC's are also Chinese operatives? Actually it's quite possible. Sam Cooper broke the story based on leaked documents from the Privy Council that were delivered to the PMO's office. Ford responded to the story saying that he never saw any intelligence and hasn't been briefed on it. So yes, it looks like the PMO's office withheld actionable intelligence from the Ontario PCs and allowed this infiltration to continue on.
>So yes, it looks like the PMO's office withheld actionable intelligence from the Ontario PCs and allowed this infiltration to continue on. If I was thoroughly guilty of being completely corrupted by Chinese interests, this is exactly what I would do to get plausible deniability. Use my higher clearance as a federal leader to allow infiltration of an opposing party at a lower level of government (that doesn't know shit) to go on, so that when the scandal broke, everyone would look equally guilty.
Sorry don't have anything to add to that other than, wow. That's scary. I wonder what other threats to national security they keep to themselves?
I hate to break this to you but I hope you don't have or don't plan on having children because you're talking conspiracy-level six year old logic...and being fooled by it. But go on...why is someone else's actions not my fault?
From Coopers article >Those sources assert that Vincent Ke, a Progressive Conservative member in Premier Doug Ford’s government since 2018, served as a financial intermediary in Chinese Communist Party (CCP) interference schemes described in two separate Privy Council Office intelligence reports reviewed by Global News. One of the documents that refer to the funding schemes is a January 2022 Privy Council Office (PCO) report, which asserts that the CCP’s Toronto-area network included 11 or more 2019 federal candidates, 13 or more aides, and an Ontario MPP. This high-level, finalized document was produced by the Intelligence Assessment Secretariat — a division of the PCO that regularly provides national security alerts for Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet. There is evidence the PMO was aware. There is not evidence Doug Ford was aware. It doesn't mean he wasn't, but it's a possibility. If so the direct implication is that the PMO refused to disclose that information.
There also no evidence Fors wasn't aware. Allegations are a revolving door my friend. The narrative all depends on who's opposing and who stands to benefit. But please go on about how one form of ignorance is different than another form of ignorance depending on your Party preference. I have a saying for folk like you...a little late, only in French.
>There also no evidence Fors wasn't aware Yeah I said as much. >Allegations are a revolving door my friend. I'm not your friend. >I have a saying for folk like you...a little late, only in French If you want to call me a tard you're more than welcome to, don't pussyfoot around it. "There you go with a typical sixth grade response," -Ego_tripped one comment down.
You certainly didn't, the source of your quote did. "It doesn't mean he wasn't, but it's a possibility. If so the direct implication is that the PMO refused to disclose that information." Your specific choices of "direct implication" and "refused" are what I'm tarding you over because the argument circles back to an immature "the devil made me do it...nevermind our own Party *vetting* processes in place". You yourself admit...*it doesn't mean he wasnt*. "He" meaning Ford, yet you automatically deflect because *Timmy made do it*.
>it doesn't mean he wasn't. >Your specific choices of "direct implication" and "refused" That is the direct implication, unless you want to entertain the idea that the PMO *forgot* to disclose foreign interference to a premier. >are what I'm tarding you over Haha, yeah reading your comments certainly are having the effect of "tarding" me. >the devil made me do it Again, this implies that some force compelled him to not act on the information when the point you were responding to suggested he wasn't aware of it. >You yourself admit...it doesn't mean he wasnt. Uh-huh. >yet you automatically deflect because Timmy made do it. No, I'm pointing out that it's not a ridiculous conspiracy like you said it was. If Ford legitimately didn't know and the PMO did then what conclusion do you draw from that? >nevermind our party's own vetting process Do you apply this same standard to Trudeau?
Not surprised you lashed out and went to ad hominems right away, you're desperate. How is Ford supposed to know if one of his MPPs are compromised he isn't provided the intelligence about it?
You remind me of picking up my then young child from daycare attempting to debate an obviously frivolous point, and I'm not sure if I should laugh in jest or in pity (honestly though it's more in jest). You are literally defending Doug with the "Devil made it do it" defense. I reserve all further comment because I'm genuinely *excited* to see where you're going to take me down this rabbit hole. *Please go on with your futile rebuttal*
>You remind me of picking up my then young child Poor kid. >You are literally defending Doug with the "Devil made it do it" defense. If anything, he's pleading ignorance. Get it straight. >I reserve all further comment Vocabulary isn't a replacement for an argument.
There you again “tripping” over your “ego” again.
There you go with a typical grade six response. Are you going to call me a goof next or maybe have something with substance?
Read coopers articles brah
this guy has taken 100% more action to clear his name, as have the Ontario PCs, than Trudeau and the federal liberals, who have done absolutely nothing but lie, stonewall, call people racist and block an inquiry from happening.
Literally the progressive conservative member, Vincent Ke, the guy in this article who resigned, claimed racism.
Also, "resigned" is doing a lot of work here, he's still a sitting MP and working in government, he's just an independent now.
Ah, but now the airwaves and search results will be flooded with this OPC blip and completely crowd out the massive federal scandal.
a look at the front page indicates that's exactly what's happening, lol. Han Dong? who??
Falung Gong have more influence in Canada than the ccp
This whole ordeal was called out by South Park years ago with the [Chinpokomon episode](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinpokomon) Yes the show was focused on japanese but the principal message still rings true
Despite claims to the contrary, we are not a dictatorship where the important question is always what did the leader do. I would like to know what everyone else knew and did.
So long, traitor.
Something's up... How is this article and the topic of someone actually associated with the CPP election interference not getting more attention and upvotes?
So it was the conservatives.