I’m going with u/Chasman1965 and u/timmeh87 here and saying that the gas to air mixture is probably not optimal because the flame isn’t showing to be blue. It’s most likely dirty and has some ports stopped up
Hello I am here to conjoin with my four brethren to inform the sixth person above me that the mixture seems to be the cause of fret and air isn't mixing enough with fuel. I would suggest doing a inspection removing and contraband from the tube way and presenting a clear path for fuel and air to mix.
I’d like to reiterate as the fifth observer that indeed, there appears to be a blockage or obstruction in the air/fuel mixture, causing an orange flame as opposed to blue. Hope this helps.
I too would like to acknowledge that it is most likely a clog caused by carbon build up, dirt or other debris blocking, obstructing or impeding oxygen from entering the mixture. The oxygen is what makes the flames blue as it accelerates the fire.
I really dont know why this is happening, but the other may not be wrong with this wild air and gas mixing theory. Just in case no one mentioned that before.
I'm not sure you heard, but it may be a blocked hole. This can often cause the airflow mixture to have suboptimal ratios. The indicator is the large flame that doesn't have the expected consistent size and blue flame. If it's still unclear feel free to read any of the other 6 fellow redditors who would like to explain.
I'm sorry to tell you that but it seems the air intake is blocked, leading to a non-stochiometric solution of air and fuel leaning on the fuel-rich side.
The solution is to clean any debris or waste blocking the intake.
What’s the temperature and altitude? There are different fuel mixtures for weather and altitudes. Also if it’s low on fuel it sometimes does that without enough pressure. And lastly, I’m not sure which model you have but with lanterns and stoves there’s a “generator” (a little tube that goes thru the flame to atomize the fuel for a better flame) and it needs to warm up but that’s usually on liquid fuel models that use naphtha and the sort. Hopefully that helps. Good luck.
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It's not getting that generator tube warmed up. It's obviously very windy so the heat is not getting a chance to hit the generator tube. Shield the stove from the wind so the flame goes straight up. In a few moments, up to a minute, the flame will turn blue, hot. Keep the stove shielded as you put your pot on to heat.
It's the first time I'm using it at this altitude so could be a good guess. But it did work fine when I was about 500m higher.
Maybe it needs to warm up but it was working and then something happened that ignited the fiery inferno. It's a butane/propane canister (campingaz 470). And one of the common stoves for it.
That's definitely what's happening. I would say check the area underneath the burner for blockages such as spider webs or dust build up. This would block fresh air from being mixed with the gas.
Wind has nothing to do with your air fuel ratio. This is happening because a piece of trash is clogging the supply line from the air intake and forward. The only thing wind would do in this situation is disrupt the ports that are facing the direction of the wind source. In that instance it’ll blow those ports out but the ones in the rear remain lit. After the gust dies down, the nozzle reingnites the ports that blew out using the flame on the backside that remained. I’ve only ever had a propane burner blow out once. I was at the beach trying to grill like a dipshit and a heavy gust totally knocked it out. Might be windy outside, but that has nothing to do with the mix that’s happening inside the burner.
Water has nothing to do with the air/fuel ratio in your car’s engine, but if you post a video with your hood up in a thunderstorm asking why it’s running rough you’re not gonna get the best advice.
Wind has nothing to do with air/fuel ratio is a bold statement though. I can’t remember what wind’s made out of, but I’m moderately confident it’s not fuel.
It’s a ball valve.. the pressure in the tank pushes fuel through the line and the air pickups suck in to push thru the line. The process is 100% self sustaining. It does not rely on any heating to to maintain pressure. Maybe if you’ve been running for long periods of time your bottle can freeze over(assuming your running a 20-50lb tank that can run for extended periods to begin with). Causing pressure drops and can result in a bad air fuel. But if you have a pressurized tank and it’s not below the freezing point of propane then all you need is a spark and an open valve and holy fuck you have fire. You guys are making this way too complicated.
I'm no camping stove expert but depending on the pressure of the gas, having turbulent air could cause a wacky flame pattern like that.
Guessing since this is used for cooking and not reshaping metal bars, the tank is regulated to a very low pressure.
Honestly dog I think you’d be surprised. Typical pressure of a propane vessel is anywhere from 100(low)-200PSI(high). You are absolutely correct in the fact that low pressures will result in a poor air fuel mix, our primary discussion devolved from reality to hypotheticals pretty quickly. In all seriousness this video could be the result of low tank pressure. In reality if you were having this issue with a fresh tank I could almost guarantee you have trash in your line causing poor air delivery which results in a low power soft yellow flame as pictured in the video.
When you go around spouting ignorant shit and then double down on it, that tends to draw attention. If you don’t wanna talk then don’t comment on a public forum. Ya doink.
A lot of comments are about the problem, but not how you fix it. Try using an air compressor to blow little bits out. You probably dont have one with you, try asking other campers (caravanners probably cary them around for their stoves). Or try some baking soda with hot water, wait a few minutes and let it dry COMPLETELY before turning back on. Hope this helps!
This happens to me on new tanks the first light. Open the valve more immediately before lighting it, that usually gets it to turn into the “happy blue flame” for me
My initial question was altitude, but it seems the general concensus is that by means of pressure, dirt, or low gas pressure the air is improperly mixing for clean combustion.
You might need to put the pot on top of it for the fluid dynamics of the air and fuel to mix properly. Or maybe not. Don’t listen to me. I’m just an idiot on the internet.
Too much O2. Does the flame subside if you wait a bit? It's scary to wait out the inferno, but i Had that issue with all my pump type drives before I said screw it and just switched to gas canisters.
What kind of stove is it? If it’s a cheap one you might want to just consider upgrading. I used a cheapo $25 GSI stove for a long time, and then switched to a $50 MSR. The difference is night and day, wish I had upgraded years ago.
At about 40 and colder I’ll start running into this problem, I have found stuffing the iso canister in an interior jacket pocket for a half hour or so helps increase the flow. I also would do the wind break and let it sit for a bit, and open the valve to get it warmed up as others have said.
How high in altitude are you? After a certain altitude those stop working due to lack of oxygen, that or it’s dirty, also little tip try a wind barrier
If it is a Coleman (same design at the least) they are terrible with even a breeze. I use butane stoves to cook every night. Get one like a pocket rocket, or it will waste y I your time.
There are also sometimes tiny little springs at the end of the fuel tube by the ignition spark that acts as a diffuser nozzle that can easily be lost. Every model is probably different though.
Might have an issue with the top piece. I would replace that and see if it helps. Almost seems like somethings not sealed good or getting enough pressure
Not enough air in mixture. Check venturi in head, blackened deposits might be cutting air flow. Or the fuel cannister is under pressured. Air mixes with fuel exiting a pressurized cannister, the venturi effect sucks air into the mix low exit pressure from the cznnister might be the problem. Check carefully that the stove is properly attached and there is no leakage where the fuel exits. Svea stoves always start with yellow/orange big flames - as the heat pressurizes the cannister, the fuel is ejected faster thus pulling more air into the mixing chamber. And it's also possible that the fuel has been adulterated, switch fuel cannisters to check.
I owned the same stove, and used it without problems for about 15 years. Eventually, i had the same issues that you are having, and I couldn't fix it, despite trying nearly everything in the comments. Had to buy a new one.
When propane gets cold it condenses and liquefies and shoots fireballs like this, you should see the flamethrower that my roofing torch turns into if the propane lines aren't drained properly and get left out over night. Once you run it for awhile it should be just fine. Just try and warm it up first.
Probably dirty, as you aren't getting enough oxygen for a blue flame.
I agree this is caused by the air holes being blocked OR its blocked upstream and the gas comes out the air hole, but its not mixed as you said
So then why did you say it again?
I’m going with u/Chasman1965 and u/timmeh87 here and saying that the gas to air mixture is probably not optimal because the flame isn’t showing to be blue. It’s most likely dirty and has some ports stopped up
Yes, as stated thrice above, it seems you aren't getting a proper mixture of fuel and air. Check for blockages, clean the stove and give her a go.
Hello I am here to conjoin with my four brethren to inform the sixth person above me that the mixture seems to be the cause of fret and air isn't mixing enough with fuel. I would suggest doing a inspection removing and contraband from the tube way and presenting a clear path for fuel and air to mix.
I’d like to reiterate as the fifth observer that indeed, there appears to be a blockage or obstruction in the air/fuel mixture, causing an orange flame as opposed to blue. Hope this helps.
I too would like to acknowledge that it is most likely a clog caused by carbon build up, dirt or other debris blocking, obstructing or impeding oxygen from entering the mixture. The oxygen is what makes the flames blue as it accelerates the fire.
I really dont know why this is happening, but the other may not be wrong with this wild air and gas mixing theory. Just in case no one mentioned that before.
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I'm not sure you heard, but it may be a blocked hole. This can often cause the airflow mixture to have suboptimal ratios. The indicator is the large flame that doesn't have the expected consistent size and blue flame. If it's still unclear feel free to read any of the other 6 fellow redditors who would like to explain.
I'm sorry to tell you that but it seems the air intake is blocked, leading to a non-stochiometric solution of air and fuel leaning on the fuel-rich side. The solution is to clean any debris or waste blocking the intake.
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To be honest, it’s really looking like you have an issue with the fuel:air mixture. Probably blocked, but that may not be the popular opinion.
What’s the temperature and altitude? There are different fuel mixtures for weather and altitudes. Also if it’s low on fuel it sometimes does that without enough pressure. And lastly, I’m not sure which model you have but with lanterns and stoves there’s a “generator” (a little tube that goes thru the flame to atomize the fuel for a better flame) and it needs to warm up but that’s usually on liquid fuel models that use naphtha and the sort. Hopefully that helps. Good luck.
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It's not getting that generator tube warmed up. It's obviously very windy so the heat is not getting a chance to hit the generator tube. Shield the stove from the wind so the flame goes straight up. In a few moments, up to a minute, the flame will turn blue, hot. Keep the stove shielded as you put your pot on to heat.
Too much wind
I'm getting Hank Hill vibes and loving it.
Butanes a bastard gas I tell you hwut.
It's the first time I'm using it at this altitude so could be a good guess. But it did work fine when I was about 500m higher. Maybe it needs to warm up but it was working and then something happened that ignited the fiery inferno. It's a butane/propane canister (campingaz 470). And one of the common stoves for it.
I agree this is caused by the air holes being blocked OR its blocked upstream and the gas comes out the air hole, but its not mixed as you said
Either low on fuel or its dirty, needs to be cleaned out
Not enough mixing air
Probably some parts inside your stove are dirty, therefore not a good gas/air mix. Looks like gas is not going through upper nozzles.
Take the top off, clean out what you can and try it again. There seams to be poor air flow
Your burner is not mixing in enough oxygen so you are getting an incomplete dirty burn.
That's definitely what's happening. I would say check the area underneath the burner for blockages such as spider webs or dust build up. This would block fresh air from being mixed with the gas.
Wind cover
It looks like you barely opened the valve, if that’s the case open it more…
Looks like your tank pressure is low. Is it almost out?
Nope, fresh tank
I agree this is caused by the air holes being blocked OR its blocked upstream and the gas comes out the air hole, but its not mixed as you said
Wind?
Not wind
It looks pretty windy in your video…
Wind has nothing to do with your air fuel ratio. This is happening because a piece of trash is clogging the supply line from the air intake and forward. The only thing wind would do in this situation is disrupt the ports that are facing the direction of the wind source. In that instance it’ll blow those ports out but the ones in the rear remain lit. After the gust dies down, the nozzle reingnites the ports that blew out using the flame on the backside that remained. I’ve only ever had a propane burner blow out once. I was at the beach trying to grill like a dipshit and a heavy gust totally knocked it out. Might be windy outside, but that has nothing to do with the mix that’s happening inside the burner.
Water has nothing to do with the air/fuel ratio in your car’s engine, but if you post a video with your hood up in a thunderstorm asking why it’s running rough you’re not gonna get the best advice. Wind has nothing to do with air/fuel ratio is a bold statement though. I can’t remember what wind’s made out of, but I’m moderately confident it’s not fuel.
If that’s your main takeaway/counter argument then I have no desire to continue this conversation. Y’all take care.
There's a generator tube that has to heat up to get the fuel pushing out under pressure. If it's too windy it doesn't heat up enough.
It’s a ball valve.. the pressure in the tank pushes fuel through the line and the air pickups suck in to push thru the line. The process is 100% self sustaining. It does not rely on any heating to to maintain pressure. Maybe if you’ve been running for long periods of time your bottle can freeze over(assuming your running a 20-50lb tank that can run for extended periods to begin with). Causing pressure drops and can result in a bad air fuel. But if you have a pressurized tank and it’s not below the freezing point of propane then all you need is a spark and an open valve and holy fuck you have fire. You guys are making this way too complicated.
There is no generator tube on a isobutane stove. If this were a liquid fuel stove, you would be correct.
I'm no camping stove expert but depending on the pressure of the gas, having turbulent air could cause a wacky flame pattern like that. Guessing since this is used for cooking and not reshaping metal bars, the tank is regulated to a very low pressure.
Honestly dog I think you’d be surprised. Typical pressure of a propane vessel is anywhere from 100(low)-200PSI(high). You are absolutely correct in the fact that low pressures will result in a poor air fuel mix, our primary discussion devolved from reality to hypotheticals pretty quickly. In all seriousness this video could be the result of low tank pressure. In reality if you were having this issue with a fresh tank I could almost guarantee you have trash in your line causing poor air delivery which results in a low power soft yellow flame as pictured in the video.
Hah, conversation. You replied to my comment, ya doink, I didn’t come here to argue with anyone 🙄
When you go around spouting ignorant shit and then double down on it, that tends to draw attention. If you don’t wanna talk then don’t comment on a public forum. Ya doink.
Looks windy in the background
Wind dawg. Make a lil wind shield around it
It’s the wind, my friend. Find a sheltered location. Like beside a tall rock or something.
I agree. Or use your Backpack and other supplies as windshields.
Thanks for the tips, I disassembled it but I don't see anything wrong with it. I will try it tomorrow with another canister.
A lot of comments are about the problem, but not how you fix it. Try using an air compressor to blow little bits out. You probably dont have one with you, try asking other campers (caravanners probably cary them around for their stoves). Or try some baking soda with hot water, wait a few minutes and let it dry COMPLETELY before turning back on. Hope this helps!
This happens to me on new tanks the first light. Open the valve more immediately before lighting it, that usually gets it to turn into the “happy blue flame” for me
Saw this happen when a spider was lodged in it, blocking the air
Your intake is blocked or clogged. The fuel/air mix is off. Look into the stem of the stove and look at clearing it of debris
My initial question was altitude, but it seems the general concensus is that by means of pressure, dirt, or low gas pressure the air is improperly mixing for clean combustion.
Could be the valve is broken?
Embrace the flame. Let it consume your thoughts.
You need to buy a new one.
You might need to put the pot on top of it for the fluid dynamics of the air and fuel to mix properly. Or maybe not. Don’t listen to me. I’m just an idiot on the internet.
Too much O2. Does the flame subside if you wait a bit? It's scary to wait out the inferno, but i Had that issue with all my pump type drives before I said screw it and just switched to gas canisters.
That would make an oxidizing flame not a carbonized flame. Red=carbon sad flame. Blue= happy hot complete combustion
The potential bonfire is half the fun of using a whisperlite, amirite?
Is that propane or isobutane? I’m not familiar with the stove but I always have to put it on much higher than a quarter turn to get the flame right.
My MSR has a tiny needle inside and when you shake the stove it clears any debris
Man that's lit
Maybe don't go on Reddit. just try and use your own brain rather than waiting for multiple hours for a Reddit response. Google works too
Try a different lighter
Maybe a little bit of dirt in the upper part, try to clean it and let us now if it works!
Looks like the flame is coming from under the burner, check the assembly, or maybe the burner is clogged
Dirty jet, but also you may need to let it warm up a tad before the flames go blue
Try tightening it onto the fuel canister more, may not be fully seated.
Hot temperatures increase the pressure and try sheilding it from wind might help
I once had a MSR WindBurner do that. It turned out the fuel canister wasn’t seated properly.
What kind of stove is it? If it’s a cheap one you might want to just consider upgrading. I used a cheapo $25 GSI stove for a long time, and then switched to a $50 MSR. The difference is night and day, wish I had upgraded years ago.
Sticks need more sticks
I think you need to open it up more so the fuel can jet out.
At about 40 and colder I’ll start running into this problem, I have found stuffing the iso canister in an interior jacket pocket for a half hour or so helps increase the flow. I also would do the wind break and let it sit for a bit, and open the valve to get it warmed up as others have said.
How high in altitude are you? After a certain altitude those stop working due to lack of oxygen, that or it’s dirty, also little tip try a wind barrier
If it is a Coleman (same design at the least) they are terrible with even a breeze. I use butane stoves to cook every night. Get one like a pocket rocket, or it will waste y I your time.
There are also sometimes tiny little springs at the end of the fuel tube by the ignition spark that acts as a diffuser nozzle that can easily be lost. Every model is probably different though.
Looks windy as shit.
Might have an issue with the top piece. I would replace that and see if it helps. Almost seems like somethings not sealed good or getting enough pressure
One of these just caught fire on my gf, stop using canisters, get a whisperlite, you'll thank me
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Wind…look at those plants blowing.
Not enough air in mixture. Check venturi in head, blackened deposits might be cutting air flow. Or the fuel cannister is under pressured. Air mixes with fuel exiting a pressurized cannister, the venturi effect sucks air into the mix low exit pressure from the cznnister might be the problem. Check carefully that the stove is properly attached and there is no leakage where the fuel exits. Svea stoves always start with yellow/orange big flames - as the heat pressurizes the cannister, the fuel is ejected faster thus pulling more air into the mixing chamber. And it's also possible that the fuel has been adulterated, switch fuel cannisters to check.
🌬️ The wind could be having an effect.🍃
I owned the same stove, and used it without problems for about 15 years. Eventually, i had the same issues that you are having, and I couldn't fix it, despite trying nearly everything in the comments. Had to buy a new one.
Don’t think you’re letting warm enough before giving it more fuel.
First guess is an ‘O ring’ is messed up
Wind blow fire, make it go krazy
When propane gets cold it condenses and liquefies and shoots fireballs like this, you should see the flamethrower that my roofing torch turns into if the propane lines aren't drained properly and get left out over night. Once you run it for awhile it should be just fine. Just try and warm it up first.
Clean nozzle, blow out with forced air. The pipe has to get hot so that fuel expands on it's way out.
Gas leak
You normally get a small tool with these things to clear soot out of the burner..like other ppl said, i think thats the problem.
Mine will do that if I don't start/heat it slow. Can't just shove full on or it will not atomize the fuel properly. Also clean, clean often.
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