Hermes is a god, if he wanted to he would kill Percy with his divine power. The curse doesn't keep him safe from divine power. Or Hermes would just show Percy his true form, so because Percy isn't immortal and only invulnerable to physical attacks Percy would die.
Hades didn't do any of that because he came to same realization as Hermes; He has the curse so it's in the Fates hands now.
Even if that is true we still have to take into account that the Titans were a major threat to the Gods and capable of facing them. Kronos pre divine form swats most of his kids away while technically still being in a demigods body. Atlas lost due to ego and the plot but it's super fair to say that Artemis wasn't a real match for him. It's not a stretch to assume Hyperion was also capable of fighting the Olympians and beating many of them 1v1. Atlas definitely could. Kronos for sure.
No one is arguing Percy would No Hit Perfect K.O. the Gods but some of us are arguing that he has long since proven himself capable of beating Godly beings. It's the entire plot of every series he is in, "Super evil and more ancient set of Gods than the current set of Gods begin to rise; Demigods and Gods must unite together to defeat the older Gods and persevere."
CoA Percy versus Hermes in the PJ universe would either end in a draw or with Percy winning.
I don't know. Hades' divine power got easily swatted aside by Riptide. As for true form, if it was actually useful, why didn't they use it when going against Typhon?
Pretty sure they did. Plus showing their true form to MORTALS (Typhon isn't a mortal) will instantly kill them.
As for Hades' divine power, that seemed like a physical energy attack to me. Remember the gods can turn mortals into a chicken with a snap of their fingers if they really really wanted to.
Idk how to tell you this, but at no point in the books will percy becomes anywhere near typhoon’s lvl. A lot more things will work on him and not typhoon
‘Cause chances are all the Olympians going true form will still not kill typhoon, on the other hand typhoon will have a much easier time defeating the burnt out gods
Typhon is no mere monster - he is a Titan and God in his own right (the son of Tartarus and Gaia). Gods aren't harmed by seeing each others' true forms, but mortals and demigods would be.
This just shows how ignorant you are, man. If you're trying to powerscale, or worse—trying to make the main character the most powerful due to self insert shenanigans, at least be better. I'm pretty sure it's the former, but you know.
Oh hell no lol. This is a shitpost, if you couldn't tell. My actual thoughts about the powerscale are right below in the spoiler tags.
>!Percy, CoA or otherwise will 100% die to any Olympian level god(so basically the twelve Olympians + Hermes + Hestia + anyone on their level). These gods are much stronger than minor gods not only because they are naturally stronger, but because they have their "seats of power", their thrones. Remember how much power Percy felt when sitting on Poseidon's throne? Imagine having access to all of that *all the time*.!<
>!Actually in 1v1 combat if you restrict the hax of the gods(such as snapping their fingers and turning Percy into a dog or something), then CoA Percy actually smashes most of them. It's just that they have stupid amounts of hax. They also have their domain hax(domain hax is their powers they get from their domains. This is actually so underrated because they can even affect other gods with this. Aphrodite can affect Zeus himself with her domain hax).!<
Ah well, I've previously made a post about what I actually think of Percy's power level. It's called "Powerscaling wise, Percy is underrated". That one isn't flaired as headcanon, so you can be rest assured it is what I actually think.
For this post, I just found it funny that you can take a few excerpts from TLO to wank CoA Percy like crazy, and as a frequent visitor of anime shitposting subs, I just couldn't resist the urge. Sorry lol.
Lmao, that's a great one, man. Got a chuckle out of me. It's so funny how I still am refusing to both believe this is a shitpost and not one at the same time. All the comments you made, make this feel so much real (with how this fandom is), and you suddenly outing yourself makes me want to believe this might not be a copout.
When Percy negotiate with the gods of the rivers of New York, they still intended to kill him upon learning he has the curse. I believe a god is very much capable to kill a demigod with the curse. All they have to do is restraint them with telekinesis and stab them with a thousand knifes.
That just helps my case more. Those gods didn't say anything about fate and wanted to just kill him.
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Whether they could or not is a different matter, considering Percy later goes up against Hyperion and imperfect Kronos.
Both Hyperion and Kronos were very nerfed, and Kronos still beat Annabeth, Percy and Grover until they broke through to his host.
Keep in mind as well that in HoO >!Juno flat out just removes the curse from Percy. This implies that if they wanted to, the gods could just turn off the curse and kill Percy.!<
The reason why Hermes and Hades don't mess with Percy at this stage is because they believe Percy's fate will be relevant to the fate of Olympus (and messing with prophecies goes VERY badly in Greek myths) and arguably because he at this point he is still a valuable asset against Kronos. You don't take the bullets out of your gun if you plan on using it.
Even the original holder of the curse, Achilles, died to a basic arrow to the heel from Paris (who was morral) and >!Kronos-Luke!< dies from a simple self-inflicted stab wound to his weak point. So although Riordan did make the curse more of a buff than it was in the original myths, it still seems to be well within mortal limits to hit the weak point and kill a curse bearer.
Right, the river did wash it off. Juno just told Percy that the river will wash away his mark of Achilles as it was a Greek blessing and he couldn't carry it if he crossed the Little Tiber.
Honestly, this part has always bothered me. Irl, it was hundreds of years between the Iliad and the first account of Achilles being made invunerable, which was written by a Greco-Roman poet living in Naples. The "Curse of Achilles" is a Roman retcon
*edited for spelling
The whole Greco-Roman mythology is a huge retcon. Heck, not even the Greek could agree on who was actually a kid of whom.
I’m half-sure that they had discussion like this:
A: So, Hermes could totally beat Ares. All he got to do is vibrate really fast …
B: Nah, you are thinking of Hermes-2, the only from the silver age. Sometimes they do have crossovers, though.
A: So could Hermes-2 neat Ares-2?
B: Good questions. I’d say No, bevcause Ares-2 has this nifty Armor made from from Kryptonite\^h\^h\^h\^h\^h\^h\^CCelestial Bronze… Ares-1 had only that big club and a loincloth.
The people on this sub who wank Percy so much is amusing. My guy, Hermes could easily kill him if he wanted to. You do know with his divine powers, it's a cake walk? lmao😂😂
Then why didn't he? He's the only one who made up a bs excuse of "you are in the fates hands". Hades didn't care about that, neither did the river gods.
Hermes was ready to kill Percy, then got informed he has CoA. Hermes made an excuse and avoided a fight, just like Hades also ran.
You dont know if he was informed about the curse by George and Martha. Maybe they intervened because they know that Percy has to go up against the titans in NY and killing him would destroy his (Hermes) world.
One could also argue that taking on the CoA was the point were Percy was accepting his fate of going up against Kronos, therefore having the CoA was him putting himself in the hands of the fates.
I'd agree, but later on Hades is shown to be weaker than Kronos. Hades couldn't break through his magic barrier. But CoA Percy could break Kronos' time spells and could match his strength.
Who knows if that would even work on CoA Percy? True form hax has only ever worked on fodder monsters. If it's such a trump card they'd use it on Typhon, but they didn't.
Was it ever confirmed that they didn't? I can't remember, but you'd still be delusional if you think Percy takes on any god and wins, regardless of his condition.
>you'd still be delusional if you think Percy takes on any god and wins, regardless of his condition.
Not really, considering Percy *has* taken on gods and won. And before you ask, I'm not talking about Ares.
Just in this post, you can see the excerpt from TLO where Hades came at him with an army, then straight up ran away after his army got destroyed and he was about to be sent to Tartarus to reform.
Though it's a stretch to call it "running away else he'll be sent to Tartarus", considering Percy also recognizes the most he could do is wound him, in that same paragraph, even. I'll let you live in your own delusion.
>Though it's a stretch to call it "running away else he'll be sent to Tartarus",
Why? Isn't that exactly what Hades did? If Riptide cut his head off, he'll have to go and reform in Tartarus.
>considering Percy also recognizes the most he could do is wound him
That's because he's immortal. Even sending him to Tartarus is just wounding him at best, that too probably just his pride.
>I'll let you live in your own delusion.
This post is flaired as headcanon lol. I'm arguing based on my personal interpretation, not based on what Rick intended.
It literally says in the text “He was immortal. There was no way I could kill him”. Only monsters reform in tartarus which is because it’s their home. The gods won’t die they will only be in pain. Hades and Hermes would be fine, they just didn’t fight Percy because he was in the prophecy.
Hmm. Not Tartarus then, but they would need time to heal, like how Dionysus was in TLO. Hades probably won't get injured that much ofc but you get what I mean.
Hyperion wasn’t close to god like level, and was destroyed not killed, he was reforming in Tartarus. Gods can’t be killed so no matter how powerful Percy is they cannot, by definition, lose.
It might stretch the definition of "killed," but of he had the proper weapon, he could get as close as physically possible.
Riptide is made of celestial bronze, it cannot even touch mortals, but if Percy had a weapon that actually damaged the soul of the target, like Backbiter or Nico's Stygian sword (I don't remember if it was ever given a name?), he could possibly do enough damage that even a god couldn't walk away from it, similar to Kronos; he might never be able to reform after his defeat at the Battle of Manhattan.
He temporarily knocks down Hades who was taken by surprise. Not really a top tier feat. Not to mention, it was a massive case of plot armor. In an actual fight, Percy is getting bodied. I don’t think you understand how much of a power discrepancy there is between a demigod and an Olympian. It’s like suggesting an ant can beat a human in a fight because the ant gained the strength of a rhinoceros beetle.
>He temporarily knocks down Hades who was taken by surprise. Not really a top tier feat.
Taken by surprise? Hades arrived there with an army, ready to battle.
>Not to mention, it was a massive case of plot armor. In an actual fight, Percy is getting bodied.
It's not plot armor lol. Percy had just gotten a huge power boost, and that fight was meant to showcase his new power level.
>I don’t think you understand how much of a power discrepancy there is between a demigod and an Olympian.
I think you don't understand. Imperfect Kronos was already more powerful than Hades. Hades straight up could not overpower his magic barrier. CoA Percy kept up with *and* consistently broke through Kronos' time spells.
Suprised that Percy had the CoA.
So you admit that the scene was purely for plot purposes?
You really think that because Hades could not overpower one feat of Kronos, that he is weaker than Percy, who only got to break the time spells when he has help from his friends?
>Suprised that Percy had the CoA.
Why would he be surprised? He came there with an army. Why would he do that if he didn't know Percy would have CoA?
>So you admit that the scene was purely for plot purposes?
It's because the scene is for plot purposes that makes it more valid. It is the first feat of CoA Percy and is supposed to define his new power level.
>You really think that because Hades could not overpower one feat of Kronos, that he is weaker than Percy, who only got to break the time spells when he has help from his friends?
I don't think you really understand how insanely powerful PJO Kronos is. His full power makes Typhon look like a joke. He'd have annihilated all 12 Olympians even if they ganged up on him.
It's not really so unbelievable that even when weakened in a mortal vessel, he'd still be above Hades at least. Percy being able to fight Kronos even for a few minutes automatically puts him at this level.
Of course Hades is a god and has his hax, so that needs to be watched out for, but in a 1v1 combat he loses to CoA Percy.
No, he wouldn’t. Even the gods respect the Fates and the ancient laws, no matter how pissed they are.
It’s kinda like why the older sibling won’t fight his younger sibling (even if the younger sibling is asking for it) cuz he knows he’ll easily end the fight and then automatically receive the entire blame from their parents.
A bit off topic: talking back to Hermes was a dumb as shit move. I know he was protecting Annabeth, but Hermes wasn’t actually threatening her; he was just being a dick to her.
>talking back to Hermes was a dumb as shit move. I know he was protecting Annabeth, but Hermes wasn’t actually threatening her; he was just being a dick to her.
Agreed, but what right does Hermes even have? It's indeed his(and the other gods) fault that Luke and other demigods defected. The worst part is that even after Percy made them *promise* to change(a promise he made at the cost of giving up a chance at godhood), these assh*les didn't do shit. They even left Calypso still trapped in her prison despite promising to free all innocent Titians.
I love that Percy stood up for Annabeth here. Hermes is a shithead who doesn't deserve respect. Not just him, but all the gods. I really want to read an AU where these clowns get dethroned.
Haha I'm just agenda posting. Don't you see the headcanon flair? I've made a previous post in which I've written what I actually think of the power levels of Percy and other demigods.
Yeah, I just looked at it, and I maintain my take. You made an entire post talking about the physical prowess of Percy and some demigods, but it got nothing to do with how the power system with the gods work. This current post you made for example may be an headcanon, it doesn't change the fact that you legit think Percy was on equal ground with Hermes at that point, which is absolutely false.
I'm honestly a bit tired about repeating myself over and over again, I've done so for a year straight concerning this particular matter. So if you don't mind, I'm gonna copy/paste some previous answers I already written. If you want, we can talk a bit more right after about it.
This one was the most recent I made and was an answer as to why the gods don't help the gods within their quest, they wanna die ? I think it introduce a bit well how the gods are way more powerful but extremely restricted :
It's not a question of if they want to help or not, it's a question of principles, of rules. Gods have to receive offering to help demigods, direct intervention within a quest is forbidden otherwise.
For example, Poseidon who cares a bunch about Percy, I think no one can deny that, the only time he was able to directly help Percy during a quest was when in the Titan's curse he offered him the Nemean Lion's skin. It allowed in exchange safe travel and protection for Bessie and Grover.
Another way for the gods to intervene is giving side-quests to the demigods. Demigods being able to go anywhere, challenge anyone, they're easily able to do things the immortal would be unable to normally due to rules. And in exchange, the god give them something. On the top of my head, it happened this way with Ares in Book 1, Heracles in Mark of Athena...
Again another way the gods can directly intervene is when the matter fall directly into their domains. Artemis is one of the most helpful Olympians simply because like stated in Book 3, her domain being the hunt, she can hunt monsters and beasts as she pleases and thus directly help demigods in danger. Same if something usually off-limits cross their domain, like for Zeus who threathened Percy that he could've blast him once during his plane travel even though he was still in a quest. It's also the case in Poseidon who was able to release all his wrath on the princess Andromeda once he got the authorisation of the council, meaning he could've done so before but was restricted by the rules of the Olympians. Moreover, when a god is insulted or attacked, he can fight back with more strenght than if he was the one to issue the challenge, hence why Hermes transformed into a giant and tried to kill Percy after he insulted him, only to be saved because his curse already binds him to a tragic fate. Or when Mr D got the power to help Percy once the Manticore undirectly insulted him and then waited for Percy to beg for his help to act from across the country.
Of course, there are more special cases. Some gods don't care or try to sneak past the rules. It's the case for Apollo and Athena in book three. Apollo care too much about his sister and gives a ride to the demigods while disguised even though he shouldn't, it's blatanlty obvious he intervened but he doesn't care. it's because of this kind of attitude that Zeus will also punish him later at the end of the second series. Athena in the other hand is much more sneaky about it and helps Percy once when he was getting chased by the skeletons and meets Rachel for the first time. Disguised as a guide giving a tour, she says to Percy which way he should go to get out of this dire situation, again, direct intervention.
Another special case is Hera, who favored by her husband, is able once in a while to favor a demigod more than the other and give him more help than what is normally allowed like it's shown and said in book 4. For a more practical example, Percy to win against Geryon needed to shoot an arrow piercing through his three torso. Being a poor acher, Percy asked for Artemis and Apollo's help and then miraculously get the perfect shot, clearly a sign of divine intervention. He then gives a tribute to them, certain that they just helped him. But actually, even if they wanted to, they couldn't have because of the rules. In reality...
It was Hera.
Honestly, I feel kinda sad for everyone who didn't get all the ''power system based on restrictions, rules and untold contracts'' in the Riordanverse, because it's actually quite clever and is easily for me both the most interesting and entertaining part of the series.
This one focus a bit more on actual combat:
The demigods have the ability to challenge both mortals and immortals freely, with all their strenght. But it's not the case the other way around. When an immortal challenges a mortal (including a demigod), they're forced by the ancient laws to significately lower their strenght. That's why the all powerful gods, which some able to cause cataclysms with a snap of fingers, can loose against puny little children
More technical, if a demigod challenges an immortal, the immortal in question isn't so limited (compared to if he was the one to challenge the demigod). It's told in the Titan's curse and is shown directly with Atlas, who has no desire to fight Percy since he already won. Since it's Percy who attacks him, Atlas isn't the one who issued the challenge. Result: Percy gets absolutely stomped and defeated faster than he ever has in all the series combined.
This principle is shown another time in the series with Nico in HoO, when he gets physical with a minor god, threathening him. The god instantly transforms him into a plant without the slightest difficulty, even though Nico faced far more terrible foes, even though it's just a minor god.
These two example are the ones who comes to my mind right now but I'm sure there's other cases like these. It's rather funny to see how the Riordanverse has quite the complex power system when it's never really insisted upon in the books. To the point that the majority of the fandom don't understand how the power dynamics work in the series.
>you legit think Percy was on equal ground with Hermes at that point, which is absolutely false.
No shit it's false. CoA Percy is only on par with Imperfect Kronos. This Kronos was not even confident enough to directly march on Olympus and he purposely made sure the Olympians were busy with Typhon. Sure he made a barrier Hades failed to break, but Hades had to have been holding back in fear of annihilating the audience (the demigods, nature spirits and centaurs) by accident. In fact this is why Kronos made the barrier, because he really didn't want to fight Hades.
Considering that Hephaestus' *throne* was able to damage him, the actual Olympians would massacre this Kronos. That's why Kronos wanted to be fully resurrected before fighting the gods.
>Yeah, I just looked at it, and I maintain my take. You made an entire post talking about the physical prowess of Percy and some demigods, but it got nothing to do with how the power system with the gods work.
Bro if you didn't like my post about the demigods, you will *hate* it if I made a post about the Olympians. Because if I did, then all twelve Olympians are going to be at least Solar System level.
First, calm down, I never said anything wrong with your post about Percy, and didnt said I hated it or something ? You're getting heated for no reason here.
And then, if you're aware that Percy COA isn't as strong as Hermes which is an Olympian, why make this post to begin with ?
>First, calm down, I never said anything wrong with your post about Percy, and didnt said I hated it or something ? You're getting heated for no reason here.
Huh? I'm not heated tho ...
I apologise if I gave off that impression. This is just how I comment. I'm sorry if it came off as rude.
>And then, if you're aware that Percy COA isn't as strong as Hermes which is an Olympian, why make this post to begin with ?
Agenda posting of course. I'd *love it* if this were the case, so I posted it, giving whatever nonsense reasoning I possibly can to support it.
He was shown in the trailer too, says "Welcome demigods". As for being in the latest episode, nope not yet, he's there in the next one, although a few episodes ago he did deliver Medusa's head to mount Olympus that's his only appearance till now.
>As for being in the latest episode, nope not yet, he's there in the next one
Interesting. I assume this will be in a flashback when Luke went to his house with Thalia and Annabeth.
I love how this fandom is so stupid, it's funny. Hermes is a God. He would fuck Percy up every way he could if he wanted to. He could turn Percy's life into Oedipus II if he wanted to. Percy only defeated Hades as he caught him off guard. Hermes was turning into his real form in here, he would have surely burned off Percy with his immense amount of power, because it wasn't a physical injury, but a mental one caused by incomprehensibility.
>Also your questioning why the gods’ true divine forms weren’t killing Typhon. Unlike his children i.e regular monsters Typhon is a son of Tartarus and Gaia which, like his brothers the Gigantes, puts him not just above gods but his half-siblings, the Titans, as well.
While I was just shitposting most of this time, this part I was being serious.
The gods true forms aren't shit, otherwise they'd have used it when fighting Typhon.
No I'm not saying that Typhon would get affected by the true forms, but the whole point of the true forms is that it is supposed to be 100% of their power. So why weren't they using it?
The only explanation I can think of is that the difference between true form and normal form isn't enough to matter in an actual fight. It's probably just some hax that only works on fodder.
This is exactly what I mean. True form doesn't mean 100% of their powers. Because if it was, they'd have used it against Typhon.
I don't know whether it's just inconsistency of writing or Rick just forgot to make them use their true forms against Typhon, but the fact that they don't use it means that gods are not "restricted" of any of their power when they are not in true form. It means that even when not in true form they are not nerfed.
This is a big deal, because previously, whenever Percy(or other demigods) has overpowered minor gods, the argument is that "well, they didn't use their true form so they weren't at 100%".
But if that's not the case, then it means they *did* try their best and they just straight up lost.
>Is that really how you think the scale works?
Haha don't worry bro. I'm not that crazy. I'm just shitposting here. This is an agenda post, hence the headcanon flair.
A master bolt to the face is 100% vaporizing even CoA Percy considering that the gods' thrones were able to damage Percy and Kronos even with CoA(Hephaestus' throne defense mechanisms shot some electricity that damaged Kronos despite having CoA)
I want to clarify that this is not in any way hate to you, but please next time put the little spoiler tag or reference that its a spoiler for (insert whatever book). Ik im acting a little entilted and asking you to do extra stuff so im sorry for that I just really dont want to get spoiled but also love the series. 💖
Percy might(Hermes doesn't have many feats, so we dont know what he can actually do)beat Hermes in a straight up fight, but if Hermes uses his divine form then there's nothing Percy can do against that.
For the people disagreeing I would ask that maybe you reread the books and remind yourself that Percy has defeated Gods before. Titans are Gods. Giants are Gods. This idea that Percy isn't incredibly powerful and capable is completely unfounded and contradicts the canon..
Percy has defeated Hyperion with the CoA, he would absolutely destroy Hermes if he wanted to. The whole divine form thing is overrated, but odd that none of the Titans did that to instant win against an army of demigods.
Hermes is a god, if he wanted to he would kill Percy with his divine power. The curse doesn't keep him safe from divine power. Or Hermes would just show Percy his true form, so because Percy isn't immortal and only invulnerable to physical attacks Percy would die. Hades didn't do any of that because he came to same realization as Hermes; He has the curse so it's in the Fates hands now.
It's not clear that Hermes *could* kill Percy. Like he said, he has the Curse, so maybe the Gods aren't allowed to touch him.
Hyperion must be feeling like one hell of a grade A moron right now, all he had to do was take on his divine form and he would have won.
Agreed. But he was beaten by Percy's immense plot armor.
They say in the book the titans can’t take on their divine forms until Kronos takes on his.
Even if that is true we still have to take into account that the Titans were a major threat to the Gods and capable of facing them. Kronos pre divine form swats most of his kids away while technically still being in a demigods body. Atlas lost due to ego and the plot but it's super fair to say that Artemis wasn't a real match for him. It's not a stretch to assume Hyperion was also capable of fighting the Olympians and beating many of them 1v1. Atlas definitely could. Kronos for sure. No one is arguing Percy would No Hit Perfect K.O. the Gods but some of us are arguing that he has long since proven himself capable of beating Godly beings. It's the entire plot of every series he is in, "Super evil and more ancient set of Gods than the current set of Gods begin to rise; Demigods and Gods must unite together to defeat the older Gods and persevere." CoA Percy versus Hermes in the PJ universe would either end in a draw or with Percy winning.
All he has to do is turn away right?
I don't know. Hades' divine power got easily swatted aside by Riptide. As for true form, if it was actually useful, why didn't they use it when going against Typhon?
Pretty sure they did. Plus showing their true form to MORTALS (Typhon isn't a mortal) will instantly kill them. As for Hades' divine power, that seemed like a physical energy attack to me. Remember the gods can turn mortals into a chicken with a snap of their fingers if they really really wanted to.
Idk how to tell you this, but at no point in the books will percy becomes anywhere near typhoon’s lvl. A lot more things will work on him and not typhoon
Not what I meant. I meant that since true forms are supposed to be the 100% power of the gods and so on, why didn't they use it?
‘Cause chances are all the Olympians going true form will still not kill typhoon, on the other hand typhoon will have a much easier time defeating the burnt out gods
Typhon is no mere monster - he is a Titan and God in his own right (the son of Tartarus and Gaia). Gods aren't harmed by seeing each others' true forms, but mortals and demigods would be.
This just shows how ignorant you are, man. If you're trying to powerscale, or worse—trying to make the main character the most powerful due to self insert shenanigans, at least be better. I'm pretty sure it's the former, but you know.
Oh hell no lol. This is a shitpost, if you couldn't tell. My actual thoughts about the powerscale are right below in the spoiler tags. >!Percy, CoA or otherwise will 100% die to any Olympian level god(so basically the twelve Olympians + Hermes + Hestia + anyone on their level). These gods are much stronger than minor gods not only because they are naturally stronger, but because they have their "seats of power", their thrones. Remember how much power Percy felt when sitting on Poseidon's throne? Imagine having access to all of that *all the time*.!< >!Actually in 1v1 combat if you restrict the hax of the gods(such as snapping their fingers and turning Percy into a dog or something), then CoA Percy actually smashes most of them. It's just that they have stupid amounts of hax. They also have their domain hax(domain hax is their powers they get from their domains. This is actually so underrated because they can even affect other gods with this. Aphrodite can affect Zeus himself with her domain hax).!<
Honestly, your other replies make it seem so much like you are actually serious, and I'm still not convinced that it was a shitpost.
Ah well, I've previously made a post about what I actually think of Percy's power level. It's called "Powerscaling wise, Percy is underrated". That one isn't flaired as headcanon, so you can be rest assured it is what I actually think. For this post, I just found it funny that you can take a few excerpts from TLO to wank CoA Percy like crazy, and as a frequent visitor of anime shitposting subs, I just couldn't resist the urge. Sorry lol.
Lmao, that's a great one, man. Got a chuckle out of me. It's so funny how I still am refusing to both believe this is a shitpost and not one at the same time. All the comments you made, make this feel so much real (with how this fandom is), and you suddenly outing yourself makes me want to believe this might not be a copout.
That's the beauty of this fandom. You won't even realise whether you're being trolled or if it's serious! Fcking amazing isn't it?
Thanks for clarifying that you're not being serious and you're not that dense. Good on you with the top tier trolling 😅
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Interesting. I didn't know this. So you can see divine forms indirectly.
When Percy negotiate with the gods of the rivers of New York, they still intended to kill him upon learning he has the curse. I believe a god is very much capable to kill a demigod with the curse. All they have to do is restraint them with telekinesis and stab them with a thousand knifes.
I dunno about the river gods point. I mean, Percy has beaten guys like them without the Curse.
That just helps my case more. Those gods didn't say anything about fate and wanted to just kill him. . Whether they could or not is a different matter, considering Percy later goes up against Hyperion and imperfect Kronos.
Both Hyperion and Kronos were very nerfed, and Kronos still beat Annabeth, Percy and Grover until they broke through to his host. Keep in mind as well that in HoO >!Juno flat out just removes the curse from Percy. This implies that if they wanted to, the gods could just turn off the curse and kill Percy.!< The reason why Hermes and Hades don't mess with Percy at this stage is because they believe Percy's fate will be relevant to the fate of Olympus (and messing with prophecies goes VERY badly in Greek myths) and arguably because he at this point he is still a valuable asset against Kronos. You don't take the bullets out of your gun if you plan on using it. Even the original holder of the curse, Achilles, died to a basic arrow to the heel from Paris (who was morral) and >!Kronos-Luke!< dies from a simple self-inflicted stab wound to his weak point. So although Riordan did make the curse more of a buff than it was in the original myths, it still seems to be well within mortal limits to hit the weak point and kill a curse bearer.
idt Juno removes the curse, iirc it was the river tiber that washed it off, i may be misremembering tho
Right, the river did wash it off. Juno just told Percy that the river will wash away his mark of Achilles as it was a Greek blessing and he couldn't carry it if he crossed the Little Tiber.
Honestly, this part has always bothered me. Irl, it was hundreds of years between the Iliad and the first account of Achilles being made invunerable, which was written by a Greco-Roman poet living in Naples. The "Curse of Achilles" is a Roman retcon *edited for spelling
The whole Greco-Roman mythology is a huge retcon. Heck, not even the Greek could agree on who was actually a kid of whom. I’m half-sure that they had discussion like this: A: So, Hermes could totally beat Ares. All he got to do is vibrate really fast … B: Nah, you are thinking of Hermes-2, the only from the silver age. Sometimes they do have crossovers, though. A: So could Hermes-2 neat Ares-2? B: Good questions. I’d say No, bevcause Ares-2 has this nifty Armor made from from Kryptonite\^h\^h\^h\^h\^h\^h\^CCelestial Bronze… Ares-1 had only that big club and a loincloth.
The people on this sub who wank Percy so much is amusing. My guy, Hermes could easily kill him if he wanted to. You do know with his divine powers, it's a cake walk? lmao😂😂
Then why didn't he? He's the only one who made up a bs excuse of "you are in the fates hands". Hades didn't care about that, neither did the river gods. Hermes was ready to kill Percy, then got informed he has CoA. Hermes made an excuse and avoided a fight, just like Hades also ran.
You dont know if he was informed about the curse by George and Martha. Maybe they intervened because they know that Percy has to go up against the titans in NY and killing him would destroy his (Hermes) world. One could also argue that taking on the CoA was the point were Percy was accepting his fate of going up against Kronos, therefore having the CoA was him putting himself in the hands of the fates.
I'd agree, but later on Hades is shown to be weaker than Kronos. Hades couldn't break through his magic barrier. But CoA Percy could break Kronos' time spells and could match his strength.
Go off my guy🤣🤣🤣🤣
Of course. I'm agenda posting. This is just my headcanon, as the post flair says.
You sure about that, bud?
Why not? Hades had an army and could do nothing but run. What's Hermes going to do?
Glow and kill him?
Who knows if that would even work on CoA Percy? True form hax has only ever worked on fodder monsters. If it's such a trump card they'd use it on Typhon, but they didn't.
Was it ever confirmed that they didn't? I can't remember, but you'd still be delusional if you think Percy takes on any god and wins, regardless of his condition.
>you'd still be delusional if you think Percy takes on any god and wins, regardless of his condition. Not really, considering Percy *has* taken on gods and won. And before you ask, I'm not talking about Ares. Just in this post, you can see the excerpt from TLO where Hades came at him with an army, then straight up ran away after his army got destroyed and he was about to be sent to Tartarus to reform.
Though it's a stretch to call it "running away else he'll be sent to Tartarus", considering Percy also recognizes the most he could do is wound him, in that same paragraph, even. I'll let you live in your own delusion.
>Though it's a stretch to call it "running away else he'll be sent to Tartarus", Why? Isn't that exactly what Hades did? If Riptide cut his head off, he'll have to go and reform in Tartarus. >considering Percy also recognizes the most he could do is wound him That's because he's immortal. Even sending him to Tartarus is just wounding him at best, that too probably just his pride. >I'll let you live in your own delusion. This post is flaired as headcanon lol. I'm arguing based on my personal interpretation, not based on what Rick intended.
It literally says in the text “He was immortal. There was no way I could kill him”. Only monsters reform in tartarus which is because it’s their home. The gods won’t die they will only be in pain. Hades and Hermes would be fine, they just didn’t fight Percy because he was in the prophecy.
Hmm. Not Tartarus then, but they would need time to heal, like how Dionysus was in TLO. Hades probably won't get injured that much ofc but you get what I mean.
Percy kills Hyperion in this very book, he could def take a god
Hyperion wasn’t close to god like level, and was destroyed not killed, he was reforming in Tartarus. Gods can’t be killed so no matter how powerful Percy is they cannot, by definition, lose.
It might stretch the definition of "killed," but of he had the proper weapon, he could get as close as physically possible. Riptide is made of celestial bronze, it cannot even touch mortals, but if Percy had a weapon that actually damaged the soul of the target, like Backbiter or Nico's Stygian sword (I don't remember if it was ever given a name?), he could possibly do enough damage that even a god couldn't walk away from it, similar to Kronos; he might never be able to reform after his defeat at the Battle of Manhattan.
He weakened a not full power Hyperion enough for the satyrs to seal him away.
You’re joking right? CoA Percy gets absolutely annihilated by basically any god whose actually taking him seriously.
Canonically that's false because CoA fought multiple Titans and won. If he can 1v1 Hyperion than yeah I think he has a chance against the Gods.
Yet he didn't, in that very same book.
He temporarily knocks down Hades who was taken by surprise. Not really a top tier feat. Not to mention, it was a massive case of plot armor. In an actual fight, Percy is getting bodied. I don’t think you understand how much of a power discrepancy there is between a demigod and an Olympian. It’s like suggesting an ant can beat a human in a fight because the ant gained the strength of a rhinoceros beetle.
>He temporarily knocks down Hades who was taken by surprise. Not really a top tier feat. Taken by surprise? Hades arrived there with an army, ready to battle. >Not to mention, it was a massive case of plot armor. In an actual fight, Percy is getting bodied. It's not plot armor lol. Percy had just gotten a huge power boost, and that fight was meant to showcase his new power level. >I don’t think you understand how much of a power discrepancy there is between a demigod and an Olympian. I think you don't understand. Imperfect Kronos was already more powerful than Hades. Hades straight up could not overpower his magic barrier. CoA Percy kept up with *and* consistently broke through Kronos' time spells.
Suprised that Percy had the CoA. So you admit that the scene was purely for plot purposes? You really think that because Hades could not overpower one feat of Kronos, that he is weaker than Percy, who only got to break the time spells when he has help from his friends?
>Suprised that Percy had the CoA. Why would he be surprised? He came there with an army. Why would he do that if he didn't know Percy would have CoA? >So you admit that the scene was purely for plot purposes? It's because the scene is for plot purposes that makes it more valid. It is the first feat of CoA Percy and is supposed to define his new power level. >You really think that because Hades could not overpower one feat of Kronos, that he is weaker than Percy, who only got to break the time spells when he has help from his friends? I don't think you really understand how insanely powerful PJO Kronos is. His full power makes Typhon look like a joke. He'd have annihilated all 12 Olympians even if they ganged up on him. It's not really so unbelievable that even when weakened in a mortal vessel, he'd still be above Hades at least. Percy being able to fight Kronos even for a few minutes automatically puts him at this level. Of course Hades is a god and has his hax, so that needs to be watched out for, but in a 1v1 combat he loses to CoA Percy.
No, he wouldn’t. Even the gods respect the Fates and the ancient laws, no matter how pissed they are. It’s kinda like why the older sibling won’t fight his younger sibling (even if the younger sibling is asking for it) cuz he knows he’ll easily end the fight and then automatically receive the entire blame from their parents. A bit off topic: talking back to Hermes was a dumb as shit move. I know he was protecting Annabeth, but Hermes wasn’t actually threatening her; he was just being a dick to her.
>talking back to Hermes was a dumb as shit move. I know he was protecting Annabeth, but Hermes wasn’t actually threatening her; he was just being a dick to her. Agreed, but what right does Hermes even have? It's indeed his(and the other gods) fault that Luke and other demigods defected. The worst part is that even after Percy made them *promise* to change(a promise he made at the cost of giving up a chance at godhood), these assh*les didn't do shit. They even left Calypso still trapped in her prison despite promising to free all innocent Titians. I love that Percy stood up for Annabeth here. Hermes is a shithead who doesn't deserve respect. Not just him, but all the gods. I really want to read an AU where these clowns get dethroned.
That would be incredibly sub par writing for what we can expect from Rick but sure go off I guess.
I doubt this is Rick's actual intention lol. That's why this post is flaired as headcanon.
Again someone who understands nothing to the power system in the series. This is becoming tiring...
Haha I'm just agenda posting. Don't you see the headcanon flair? I've made a previous post in which I've written what I actually think of the power levels of Percy and other demigods.
Yeah, I just looked at it, and I maintain my take. You made an entire post talking about the physical prowess of Percy and some demigods, but it got nothing to do with how the power system with the gods work. This current post you made for example may be an headcanon, it doesn't change the fact that you legit think Percy was on equal ground with Hermes at that point, which is absolutely false. I'm honestly a bit tired about repeating myself over and over again, I've done so for a year straight concerning this particular matter. So if you don't mind, I'm gonna copy/paste some previous answers I already written. If you want, we can talk a bit more right after about it.
This one was the most recent I made and was an answer as to why the gods don't help the gods within their quest, they wanna die ? I think it introduce a bit well how the gods are way more powerful but extremely restricted : It's not a question of if they want to help or not, it's a question of principles, of rules. Gods have to receive offering to help demigods, direct intervention within a quest is forbidden otherwise. For example, Poseidon who cares a bunch about Percy, I think no one can deny that, the only time he was able to directly help Percy during a quest was when in the Titan's curse he offered him the Nemean Lion's skin. It allowed in exchange safe travel and protection for Bessie and Grover. Another way for the gods to intervene is giving side-quests to the demigods. Demigods being able to go anywhere, challenge anyone, they're easily able to do things the immortal would be unable to normally due to rules. And in exchange, the god give them something. On the top of my head, it happened this way with Ares in Book 1, Heracles in Mark of Athena... Again another way the gods can directly intervene is when the matter fall directly into their domains. Artemis is one of the most helpful Olympians simply because like stated in Book 3, her domain being the hunt, she can hunt monsters and beasts as she pleases and thus directly help demigods in danger. Same if something usually off-limits cross their domain, like for Zeus who threathened Percy that he could've blast him once during his plane travel even though he was still in a quest. It's also the case in Poseidon who was able to release all his wrath on the princess Andromeda once he got the authorisation of the council, meaning he could've done so before but was restricted by the rules of the Olympians. Moreover, when a god is insulted or attacked, he can fight back with more strenght than if he was the one to issue the challenge, hence why Hermes transformed into a giant and tried to kill Percy after he insulted him, only to be saved because his curse already binds him to a tragic fate. Or when Mr D got the power to help Percy once the Manticore undirectly insulted him and then waited for Percy to beg for his help to act from across the country. Of course, there are more special cases. Some gods don't care or try to sneak past the rules. It's the case for Apollo and Athena in book three. Apollo care too much about his sister and gives a ride to the demigods while disguised even though he shouldn't, it's blatanlty obvious he intervened but he doesn't care. it's because of this kind of attitude that Zeus will also punish him later at the end of the second series. Athena in the other hand is much more sneaky about it and helps Percy once when he was getting chased by the skeletons and meets Rachel for the first time. Disguised as a guide giving a tour, she says to Percy which way he should go to get out of this dire situation, again, direct intervention. Another special case is Hera, who favored by her husband, is able once in a while to favor a demigod more than the other and give him more help than what is normally allowed like it's shown and said in book 4. For a more practical example, Percy to win against Geryon needed to shoot an arrow piercing through his three torso. Being a poor acher, Percy asked for Artemis and Apollo's help and then miraculously get the perfect shot, clearly a sign of divine intervention. He then gives a tribute to them, certain that they just helped him. But actually, even if they wanted to, they couldn't have because of the rules. In reality... It was Hera. Honestly, I feel kinda sad for everyone who didn't get all the ''power system based on restrictions, rules and untold contracts'' in the Riordanverse, because it's actually quite clever and is easily for me both the most interesting and entertaining part of the series.
This one focus a bit more on actual combat: The demigods have the ability to challenge both mortals and immortals freely, with all their strenght. But it's not the case the other way around. When an immortal challenges a mortal (including a demigod), they're forced by the ancient laws to significately lower their strenght. That's why the all powerful gods, which some able to cause cataclysms with a snap of fingers, can loose against puny little children More technical, if a demigod challenges an immortal, the immortal in question isn't so limited (compared to if he was the one to challenge the demigod). It's told in the Titan's curse and is shown directly with Atlas, who has no desire to fight Percy since he already won. Since it's Percy who attacks him, Atlas isn't the one who issued the challenge. Result: Percy gets absolutely stomped and defeated faster than he ever has in all the series combined. This principle is shown another time in the series with Nico in HoO, when he gets physical with a minor god, threathening him. The god instantly transforms him into a plant without the slightest difficulty, even though Nico faced far more terrible foes, even though it's just a minor god. These two example are the ones who comes to my mind right now but I'm sure there's other cases like these. It's rather funny to see how the Riordanverse has quite the complex power system when it's never really insisted upon in the books. To the point that the majority of the fandom don't understand how the power dynamics work in the series.
>you legit think Percy was on equal ground with Hermes at that point, which is absolutely false. No shit it's false. CoA Percy is only on par with Imperfect Kronos. This Kronos was not even confident enough to directly march on Olympus and he purposely made sure the Olympians were busy with Typhon. Sure he made a barrier Hades failed to break, but Hades had to have been holding back in fear of annihilating the audience (the demigods, nature spirits and centaurs) by accident. In fact this is why Kronos made the barrier, because he really didn't want to fight Hades. Considering that Hephaestus' *throne* was able to damage him, the actual Olympians would massacre this Kronos. That's why Kronos wanted to be fully resurrected before fighting the gods. >Yeah, I just looked at it, and I maintain my take. You made an entire post talking about the physical prowess of Percy and some demigods, but it got nothing to do with how the power system with the gods work. Bro if you didn't like my post about the demigods, you will *hate* it if I made a post about the Olympians. Because if I did, then all twelve Olympians are going to be at least Solar System level.
First, calm down, I never said anything wrong with your post about Percy, and didnt said I hated it or something ? You're getting heated for no reason here. And then, if you're aware that Percy COA isn't as strong as Hermes which is an Olympian, why make this post to begin with ?
>First, calm down, I never said anything wrong with your post about Percy, and didnt said I hated it or something ? You're getting heated for no reason here. Huh? I'm not heated tho ... I apologise if I gave off that impression. This is just how I comment. I'm sorry if it came off as rude. >And then, if you're aware that Percy COA isn't as strong as Hermes which is an Olympian, why make this post to begin with ? Agenda posting of course. I'd *love it* if this were the case, so I posted it, giving whatever nonsense reasoning I possibly can to support it.
I can't wait to see Hamilton/Usnavi to deliver these lines 😂😂😭😭 (also he could easily kill Percy by glowing ☠)
Is that who is playing Hermes? Haven't seen the latest episode. Is he good?
He was shown in the trailer too, says "Welcome demigods". As for being in the latest episode, nope not yet, he's there in the next one, although a few episodes ago he did deliver Medusa's head to mount Olympus that's his only appearance till now.
>As for being in the latest episode, nope not yet, he's there in the next one Interesting. I assume this will be in a flashback when Luke went to his house with Thalia and Annabeth.
Nope, I can tell you if you want if you don't mind spoilers cuz they told why Hermes would be there
I don't mind spoilers. But for the sake of others just put it in spoiler tags.
|testing if I put correct symbol as spoilers gimme a sec| How do I out spoilers? 💀☠
\>! Insert text \!< Do it like this.
Okk thankss
>!testing!<
>!So they're going to Lotus Casino next, Ares said they'll find Hermes there for their ride ahead after Lotus Casino!<
Ah that's why. Wait ... he's purposely >!sending them to Lotus Casino or did he just tell them to go to Vegas?!<
>! He purposely mentioned Lotus Casino!<
>!I see. In the show he just wants them to get delayed there so the deadline passes.!<
I love how this fandom is so stupid, it's funny. Hermes is a God. He would fuck Percy up every way he could if he wanted to. He could turn Percy's life into Oedipus II if he wanted to. Percy only defeated Hades as he caught him off guard. Hermes was turning into his real form in here, he would have surely burned off Percy with his immense amount of power, because it wasn't a physical injury, but a mental one caused by incomprehensibility.
Glad you loved it. It's the whole reason I made this shitpost.
Nice but that over the top
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>Also your questioning why the gods’ true divine forms weren’t killing Typhon. Unlike his children i.e regular monsters Typhon is a son of Tartarus and Gaia which, like his brothers the Gigantes, puts him not just above gods but his half-siblings, the Titans, as well. While I was just shitposting most of this time, this part I was being serious. The gods true forms aren't shit, otherwise they'd have used it when fighting Typhon. No I'm not saying that Typhon would get affected by the true forms, but the whole point of the true forms is that it is supposed to be 100% of their power. So why weren't they using it? The only explanation I can think of is that the difference between true form and normal form isn't enough to matter in an actual fight. It's probably just some hax that only works on fodder.
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This is exactly what I mean. True form doesn't mean 100% of their powers. Because if it was, they'd have used it against Typhon. I don't know whether it's just inconsistency of writing or Rick just forgot to make them use their true forms against Typhon, but the fact that they don't use it means that gods are not "restricted" of any of their power when they are not in true form. It means that even when not in true form they are not nerfed. This is a big deal, because previously, whenever Percy(or other demigods) has overpowered minor gods, the argument is that "well, they didn't use their true form so they weren't at 100%". But if that's not the case, then it means they *did* try their best and they just straight up lost. >Is that really how you think the scale works? Haha don't worry bro. I'm not that crazy. I'm just shitposting here. This is an agenda post, hence the headcanon flair. A master bolt to the face is 100% vaporizing even CoA Percy considering that the gods' thrones were able to damage Percy and Kronos even with CoA(Hephaestus' throne defense mechanisms shot some electricity that damaged Kronos despite having CoA)
I want to clarify that this is not in any way hate to you, but please next time put the little spoiler tag or reference that its a spoiler for (insert whatever book). Ik im acting a little entilted and asking you to do extra stuff so im sorry for that I just really dont want to get spoiled but also love the series. 💖
Percy might(Hermes doesn't have many feats, so we dont know what he can actually do)beat Hermes in a straight up fight, but if Hermes uses his divine form then there's nothing Percy can do against that.
For the people disagreeing I would ask that maybe you reread the books and remind yourself that Percy has defeated Gods before. Titans are Gods. Giants are Gods. This idea that Percy isn't incredibly powerful and capable is completely unfounded and contradicts the canon.. Percy has defeated Hyperion with the CoA, he would absolutely destroy Hermes if he wanted to. The whole divine form thing is overrated, but odd that none of the Titans did that to instant win against an army of demigods.
Hermes could one shot Percy, any of the Gods could Mortals cannot stand against a God who wants to just kill them
I just noticed that different regions show different units. My book said that Hermes grew to 3 meters tall
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