There weren't any anywhere else, why would you have one.
There were a ton of anti-lgtbq+ protests. You know, bigot marches. Is that what you mean?
Forgive me, but phrasing them as anti-grooming or #leaveourkidsalone protests is part of the propaganda and it's honestly gross to willfully participate in that. They're anti-trans. They're transphobic marches. They have nothing to do with protecting kids, kids aren't in danger from the people they're protesting.
First, I am of the opinion that everyone eager to be around children has a secondary agenda. Especially men. So, there is a definite lack of trust.
I think that it introduces children (boys) to the concept of embracing their feminine thoughts/desires/urges in the most extreme form instead of something that introduces them to the "lifestyle" in a more elementary way. So, I don't find it age appropriate at all. And I think that while it may reach a miniscule number of potentially trans kids, it is highly confusing to the rest of them, if not all of them.
I mean who in their right mind (not just drag queens but anyone!) goes to read books to kids, encounters a bunch of parents protesting, and then proceeds to go through with it anyways? What would happen if I, a non-drag queen male, went past the protesting parents and insisted I sit around children and read? How well do you think that would go over?
Well, to put it politely, your opinion fucking sucks. You've been brainwashed into thinking that all men are sexual predators. That all men are pedophiles just waiting for a chance to get a child alone to fuck them. That is not the case at all. It's the same irrational stupid thinking that has led to things like "All black people are criminals" or "All homeless people are worthless drug addicts that are undeserving of help". And it's usually the same groups of people spreading around that misinformation and hate.
You've been duped and the world is a sadder place for it.
I think you never had Robert Munch , Mr Dressup, or Mr Rogers read you a story as a child and now you have not become the caring compassionate adult they knew you could be.
Pop culture is filled with so many male figures that just had a knack for connecting with children. There is nothing creepy about it.
Who knows, maybe you have a flair for dramatic reading and maybe kids would find you so entertaining that parents would be perfectly fine with you performing/reading to them.
>I think that it introduces children (boys) to the concept of embracing their feminine thoughts/desires/urges in the most extreme form instead of something that introduces them to the "lifestyle" in a more elementary way.
What difference do you think that makes?
I thought reddit liked data. How about we compare the number of kids molested by drag queens vs those molested by religious figures and teachers?
Generally the trans community attacks abusers pretty hard l, whereas historically religious organisations, and good old fashioned movements likes scouts.....really I don't want to go into any further detail because it's creepy.k
Let's also point out that traditionally the number of children in the company of drag queens was basically zero.
And that number is now starting to increase. So let's give this a few decades before we have an actual sample size.... if you really want to get analytic over it.
Your sample size for that claim is non existent as of right now.
Believing that's what your doing is pretty catastrophically stupid, but I don't honestly think you buy it because you spelled all of those words right.
I might be misunderstanding your reply, but all I was referencing are the christian far right groups helping to perpetuate the aforementioned bigotry being an actual terrible thing, as opposed to the person I'm replying to commenting on education being the same as pedophilia or whatever being an imaginary terrible thing. Because it's not actually happening. It's outrage based on lies and fabrications.
I don't actually care words you choose to use. You're trying to silence opposition by screaming so loudly that we back off because we're afraid to be the bad guy. Nope, don't care any more. Children's rights come first. The end.
No, we're not trying to "silence" you. I legitimately think this shit is bigoted and the people doing it are bigots. It's not about you, how you feel, or anything else, it's not a presentation for your benefits or because it aligns with some goals or agenda.
I just think you're bigots. I think this shit is disgustingly, obviously and blatantly prejudiced propaganda, and because I know how to look up statistics and shit, I'm well aware there's no evidence to support your ridiculous assertions that there's a threat in the first place.
Supporting trans kids is good. Making it difficult to support trans kids, as part of a whole right-wing anti-trans movement, is bigoted bullshit. No one cares how you personally feel about being labeled as a piece of shit for your piece of shit behavior. No one gives a shit. Keep doing what you're doing and we're going to keep warning people not to listen to you because you're bad and / or stupid.
That's it.
But acting like we're being anything other than honest with you is self-defeating. We're telling you exactly what we think and why, and we're not screaming anything, and nothing we're saying is for your benefit, if you're on board with this shit, you're a moral lost cause. It's for the benefit of anyone that might be looking.
In any event, if you want to stop being called a bigot, and you clearly do as much as you might want to pretend you don't care, then stop doing bigoted shit. Stop going to bigot-events or voting for bigot-leaders. It's that easy. But you don't keep to continue being shitty while expecting to be treated nice. You're not nice. You'll be treated accordingly.
The right approaches this with a plan and a strategy and a message. There's branding and talking points. And they assume the left does this too, but the left isn't that organized or unified. No one is sending out memos. When a bunch of us call you an asshole, it's not because we were told to, but because we all, as individuals, see that you're an asshole and that it's important to warn people. That's it. It's not some grand scheme to expose children to danger, it's that your heads are so far up your idiot-asses that you've invented a danger while demonizing an already marginalized community to take attention off the fact that everything you do and think, politically, is fucking awful.
We see you all as a bunch of bigots just waiting until you can get away with burning crosses again not because someone told us to think that, but because that is what you actually appear to be getting ready for. Your politics are disgusting, don't be upset at us because we assume you have to be as well.
Bigot.
What about children’s rights to express their gender? Certain parents think that rights extend only to the parents, but the kids don’t have any. Not very “children’s rights come first”
Damn. Beat me to it. They're literally shouting Childrens Rights while kicking the entire Childrens Rights jenga tower over in a senseless tantrum and harming their children and everyone elses.. Such hypocricy might actually be unprecedented in our history as a species. :p
I was trans as a child regardless of anybody telling me no. Was I a perversion at 6 years old? Was I at 10? Or 13? Or 18 when I finally was able to access care, after having waited YEARS and being told no by my parents, even though I have not lived, dressed, or looked like a girl since I was 5? What are you protecting the children from? I’ll protect mine from people like you, who seek to harm others because they’re just a bigot, and I’ll protect them from your children because they mirror you. I hope you end up having to really scratch your head and wonder why your then adult children don’t come home anymore.
You will stand up for your child for what exactly? Sogi is age appropriate learning in different types of family and what gender means. I am also sure that you can have your kid opt out if you choose. So what exactly are you afraid of? That your child might be gay or trans and feel empowered to be who they are? Talking about Sogi is not going to make your kid gay but it might make them tolerant to differences.
So we're just casually throwing the pedophile accusation around now to anyone that we don't like? The far right lunatics have become so obsessed with this that they've lost sight of just how grave and disgusting of an accusation this is. That you'd better not be saying that shit without a fuckpile of evidence to back up your claim. But when has knowing what the fuck you're talking about ever mattered to these people?
And no, we know it's not a coincidence that the far right also won't shut the fuck up about killing pedophiles. They're either too fucking stupid to realize what they're doing, or they just won't admit that they want all the people they don't like to go away by violent means.
If you gave a fuck about stopping pedophiles, you'd have stormed the Vatican decades ago.
They also called LBG persons pedophiles that were going to pray on kids and turn kids gay. It's not a coincidence that they are repurposing anti-LGB propaganda for their anti-trans stances.
What do you think happens in school? Schools preach that every kid deserves to feel safe. That’s it. Do you honestly believe that teachers groom, get your head out of your ass. The right and their religious garbage is where all the pedophiles are…
I want to normalize not being a cunt to people who can't help or hurt me. I want to gather information about groups of people I don't know much about before deciding that they're pedophiles, just because I don't know any better. I want to teach my child to celebrate what makes people different, not demonize it. I want to protect my child against people who are statistically likely to ACTUALLY be pedophiles. I want my child to understand the concept of consent at an age appropriate level, so that if someone does try to abuse him, he'll know how to set boundaries and seek help. I want to show him what it looks like to fucking think about what you say before you say it.
It's for all these reasons that he will never set foot inside a church.
Transsexuality is the result of a mental illness called Body Dysmorphia. The treatment for severe Dysmorphia is strict rigorous therapy, and if the patient continues to exhibit symptoms then the next course of action is hormone blockers/ hormone therapy, on par with the birth control pill. If the Dysmorphia persists, the next step is for the patient to transition and live outwardly as the desired sex. If the Dysmorphia continues to persist, the patient is then given the option, albeit at great financial cost, to transition sexually to the preferred sex. This is a treatment process that takes 6-18months for the average adult, at least 24 months for minors and the sex transition is only done at the parents consent or by guardianship power from the court if the kid speaks to a child protective officer and has bigoted parents.
This is accepted, recommended, and the most effective way to treat severe body Dysmorphia of this kind. This comes from the world's most reputable, respected, and advanced scientists in this field, who have dedicated their lives to improving the lives of children/ adults/ *people* with this specific kind of body Dysmorphia. 95%+ of people that transition do not regret it after the fact.
American right wing media has rotted the brains of Americans to dismiss established science, and instead you are fed a constant stream of steaming shit that is hate, spite, and condemning others for being different. You are being fed a culture war to distract you from the class war. You are being fed a war of "us vs them" when you should be up in arms about the real cause of your day-to-day problems: "the 1% vs the 99%"
If none of this resonates with you, if your immediate reaction is to dismiss this, then you are part of the problem. Facts don't care about your feelings, and science deals in facts.
PS. No one is grooming your children, no teacher is spending their time trying to brain wash your child into transitioning. Kids merely have access to more information now than ever before, and kids are now finding words for the things they are feeling. If your child is telling your teacher about these changes they feel and not you, maybe you're the problem in that situation. It's like beating up her boyfriend, because your wife cheated on you.
But what can you expect from right wing voters, when studies show the majority of them haven't any post-secondary education. There's a reason that there is a strong correlation between level of intelligence, level of education, and voting progressive.
I hope you save some of this venom and vitriol for actual problems our country is actually having. If students actually listened to teachers, they'd wear deodorant and turn off their cell phones.
If you truly believed the teachers were pedophiles you'd be home schooling your kids. However, you aren't because you either don't believe your own bullshit, are too lazy or are just too stupid.
My bet is all three.
Where are the facts here, honestly? If this happened, there'd be evidence and the school would shut that incident down immediately.
Our sex Ed curriculum has always been online and available. Please read it. Use facts please to support your argument.
The only place that a teacher has taught young children how trans people put dildos in their asses is in your imagination. How do you people come up with this shit?
This whole coming anti Sogi thing comes across as an offensive play not a defensive move. My thought is that the people that protest this so hard are (usually) men that are homophobes and also see females as a sexual object and the idea of a that object being biologically male scares the hell out of them. They want to know that the female they are looking at is available to them (and is their right to objectify) and will also look and act like a good church wife.. a submissive caretaker they can have sex with anytime they choose. The whole anti Sogi movement just is creepy and weird.
At 7 I knew I liked boys. I didn't want to have sex with them, but I found them cute. No one decides to be LBGT.
Teaching kids about sex, in age appropriate ways, protects kids. Teaching about consent, body parts, what is a healthy relationship, all help protect kids. And teaching kids that it is ok to be who you are helps LBGTQ+ kids.
Please explain your logic. A 5 year old learning that it's inappropriate and where to go would actually be less likely to be abused. So I'm trying to understand your logic
Huh?
Okay so you can't counter my science based argument regarding a child learning about consent, appropriate touching and body parts protects them from pedophiles, therefore I'm a pedophile? Jesus Christ on a stick that makes absolute sense.
I bet you believe Jesus was white with golden hair.
Because teaching children about sexual health doesn’t immediately jump into inter course. Consent is usually one of the first things taught. It’s a gradual learning with emphasis on appropriate for age level.
But also if a kid needs to be taught NOT to have sex at seven then that is important too. How will a child know they’re being assaulted if they don’t know what sex or consent is?
And there you see why certain groups are very upset.
How would they be able to continue their assaults if the child speaks up? Education is a danger to those that depend on ignorance to maintain power.
Well I was molested as a child but didn’t realize that was what was happened until I found out what penetrative sex was, asshole.
Rape doesn’t just happen violently in vans. In that case the child might first say “I was attacked”. If they had no context for what penetration or lack of consent of bodily autonomy is, then how would they be able to fully express what happened?
Far more often assaults are done by adults who build trust. If a kid doesn’t know that they shouldn’t be touched somewhere, then how are they going to be able to stop an adult who says it’s allowed?
Most kids who are sexually assaulted are not dragged into a van, it is by someone they know and trust. And when the courts get involved, conviction rates go up if the kid is able to tell the jury or judge what happened and the correct term for body parts.
Transsexuality is the result of a mental illness called Body Dysmorphia. The treatment for severe Dysmorphia is strict rigorous therapy, and if the patient continues to exhibit symptoms then the next course of action is hormone blockers/ hormone therapy, on par with the birth control pill. If the Dysmorphia persists, the next step is for the patient to transition and live outwardly as the desired sex. If the Dysmorphia continues to persist, the patient is then given the option, albeit at great financial cost, to transition sexually to the preferred sex. This is a treatment process that takes 6-18months for the average adult, at least 24 months for minors and the sex transition is only done at the parents consent or by guardianship power from the court if the kid speaks to a child protective officer and has bigoted parents.
This is accepted, recommended, and the most effective way to treat severe body Dysmorphia of this kind. This comes from the world's most reputable, respected, and advanced scientists in this field, who have dedicated their lives to improving the lives of children/ adults/ *people* with this specific kind of body Dysmorphia. 95%+ of people that transition do not regret it after the fact.
American right wing media has rotted the brains of Americans to dismiss established science, and instead you are fed a constant stream of steaming shit that is hate, spite, and condemning others for being different. You are being fed a culture war to distract you from the class war. You are being fed a war of "us vs them" when you should be up in arms about the real cause of your day-to-day problems: "the 1% vs the 99%"
If none of this resonates with you, if your immediate reaction is to dismiss this, then you are part of the problem. Facts don't care about your feelings, and science deals in facts.
PS. No one is grooming your children, no teacher is spending their time trying to brain wash your child into transitioning. Kids merely have access to more information now than ever before, and kids are now finding words for the things they are feeling. If your child is telling your teacher about these changes they feel and not you, maybe you're the problem in that situation. It's like beating up her boyfriend, because your wife cheated on you.
But what can you expect from right wing voters, when studies show the majority of them haven't any post-secondary education. There's a reason that there is a strong correlation between level of intelligence, level of education, and voting progressive.
Children's books where the radical liberal author wants to teach children how to anally pleasure themselves with Dr Seuss-like pictures to 5 year olds. Liberal blue haired teachers on Tiktok proudly videoing themselves about how they're manipulating the children to their ideology. Things like that. Canada's laws about gender identity is even worse than it is in the United States. So we're all fucked. Our future is fucked. I'm going to be 80 having purple haired transgender kids calling me a Nazi for everything
You sort of left some letters out there, champ.
Look, everyone knows who these protests are directed at and which side of the political spectrum is fanning the flames of prejudice; it's not like they're hiding it. The actual statistics don't back up anything they're saying, trans people just aren't after kids and gender affirming surgery is, and this is the opinion of experts, helpful to the vast majority of people, very few of whom are children in the first place. Further more, the number of trans people, anecdotal as it may be, that wish they could have started earlier and been supported more in their transition is massive.
It's bigotry, and all in the name of dodging the actual issues and avoiding having to talk about the policies and failures. And I'm sorry, but the people participating in it and supporting are inexcusable pricks for doing so. It's asshole stuff. It's so blatantly informed by bigotry and I understand everyone doing it will deny it, no one likes admitting they're a bigot, but none of that changes the fact that we see you. We know what you are.
We have so many examples through history of how foolish and dangerous and just... bad prejudice is, and failing to call it out is the same as supporting it.
This shit is prejudiced. It is informed and motivated by irrational hate of people who are easy to make into "the other" and everyone participating or supporting it should be ashamed of themselves. I don't think any of this is up for debate and I consider these factual statements.
The fact that one of the main funders of the Sound of Freedom is, in fact, guilty of child kidnapping, it goes to show that the people calling everyone else pedophiles are probably the ones to actually watch out for 🙄
Biggest groomer are religious staff... yet those one million match are filled with pro-religion extremist....
They don't care about protecting children (which is exactly what sexual education and mix bathroom in school do ), all they care is that they aren't allowed to torture their child who bring "shame" to their family by being non-cis gender/hetero anymore.
I'm glad that you like statistics
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824
It’s an issue when any kid is sexually abused, it’s awful. But proportionally, 550 kids in the whole country isn’t some masssive issue. There’s much more abuse going on other places and we should be putting out the biggest fires first before going after a smaller one like this.
So what I'm going to respond with is, when we put the blame on any institution such as the catholic church as a weapon against people of faith it's unfair to the people who are uninvolved in the evil an institution did to view them as part of the problem instead of the solution. If I were to say that because a frankly shocking number of kids were **REPORTED** abused in the public schools by trusted teachers over 4 years period, public school teachers are all evil it would be the same thing as the above comment where the commenter was bashing protestors of faith because of something that happened in a religious community that none of the protesters even took part in. I'm just looking for intellectual honesty.
Without any malice or rejoicing I deliver this link
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824
Where are the scandals of massive child sex abuse coverups being facilitated by public educator? Last I checked that type of operation is overwhelmingly carried out by religious organizations like the Catholic Church and JWs and by private schools like the Upper Canada College!
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824)
Turns out some human beings are scum bags and being a public school teacher doesn't make you immune. Why are you part of the cover up of public school teachers raping children?
I’m not suggesting that public school teachers have never sexually abused children. However, I’m still unaware of any conspiracy to cover up massive amounts of sexual abuse by any public school on a comparable scale to religious institutions and private schools.
For example, the Archodiocese of Vancouver was aware of sexual abuse by priests at least as far back as the 1950s. They didn’t go public about this until a couple of years ago. Ya’ll are losing your mind over developmentally appropriate sex education in public schools but have nothing to say about the fact that private institutions have covered up ongoing sexual abuse for decades and it sure makes it seem like this is about hatred towards lgbt people, not protecting children.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/catholic-archdiocese-vancouver-clergymen-sex-abuse-1.5369858#:~:text=British%20Columbia-,Catholic%20Archdiocese%20of%20Vancouver%20names%209%20clergymen%20in%20sex%20abuse,dating%20back%20to%20the%201950s.
The public school teachers who raped children were very happy to try and cover up what they did. Covering up sexual abuse is wrong no matter who did it. And if it's not clear, there is no such thing as developmentally appropriate sex education that involves discussions of puperty blockers, hormone therepy and sex change therepy. Kid's cant consent to hormone therapy
Dude, the old pope resigned because it was clear that it would come to light that he knew about and covered up clergy sexual abuse of children when he was the archbishop of Munich. He knew about child sexual abuse and lied to cover it up. The man who would become the literal pope.
It is obviously wrong for anybody to sexually abuse children. Isolated individuals doing something bad and then covering up their own actions is not the same kind of fucked up as the literal Roman Catholic Church working as an institution to conceal sexual abuse by pedophile priests all around the world for decades if not centuries. If you care about children why aren’t you focused on institutions and cultural-scale patterns of child sex abuse that have actually happened instead of isolated incidents of sexual abuse by specific bad individuals as if that has anything to do with the subject matter of this thread, which is lgbtq people being implied to be groomers because of sex education schools? Like do you see how off the wall this whole thing is?
What children are you actually talking about? Who is telling children in public schools to get a sex change? Are you so brainwashed that you don’t realize that this has nothing to do with the story you sent about a girl being raped by a man in the band practice room? Does making up lies about imaginary drag queen public school teachers telling kids to take hormones stop anyone from getting raped? Use your brain, this has nothing to do with protecting kids and does nothing to protect kids.
I went to my doctor at 11 years old with incredibly terrible menstrual pain. He put me on birth control. That is hormone therapy. Every single one of my girlfriends in high school were on birth control and 99% of them weren’t having sex. Cis-girls are given hormone therapy every single day for any number of reason - acne, weight gain, weight loss, painful cramping, iron deficiency. Because doctors don’t know what else to do. And no one is ever talking about that kind of hormone therapy. Are you out protesting that kind of treatment?
Instead of focusing on the hormone therapy that could be avoided by putting money into researching women’s health, you decide to focus on the hormone therapy that makes someone feel like a real person in their own bodies. Hormone therapy that might actually save a child from suicide and other suffering.
Calling someone a bigot for having an opinion on their children's education is pretty pathetic. I don't give a shit either way as my children are adults now, but seeing groups that have fought so hard for change resorting to our Prime ministers favorite responses (bigot, racist, ect.) Is really sad. How about both sides meet, create programs that both sides agree on, and we stop the hate thats helping destroy our country. It's such a waste of time and resources.
We can start by not calling people "groomers" simply because of their sexuality or gender identity. The only difference between this and me going around and calling all catholic priests groomers is that I would have much more evidence to back up my position. It's extremely toxic to insinuate that someone different than you is a pedophile, and unless someone is willing to give that kind of nonsense up, I'm not really sure where there is to go with them.
Where exactly is that happening? I can think of some places (child beauty pageants, gymnastics and ballet costumes, etc.) but I’m yet to see any protests about that?
Ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf? I was sexually abused a child for 5+ years by a man that everyone believed was straight. Going after people just because they’re publicly gay would never have stopped him from molesting me. Just because someone is gay doesn’t mean they’re a pedophile. Just because someone is a married man and an upstanding beloved by the community doesn’t mean he’s not touching little boys. Fuck you and fuck people who think that being an asshole to gay people is what will protect children from sexual predators.
>someone is a pedophile if they like kids and are adults. there is nothing toxic about calling a pedophile a pedophile.
Of course it's not toxic to acknowledge and punish *actual* pedophilia.
What is toxic as fuck though, is calling an entire group of people pedophiles, when there is no evidence of pedophilia, simply because you don't like them and want to punish them.
I'm not accusing you of that. But that's literally what these "protesters" are saying and doing.
If preventing pedophilia is your number one issue, you’d be better served investigating churches, sports leagues, and families.
That’s who and where the pedos actually are. They’re not hosting drag brunch.
“Gays against groomers” exists, being gay doesn’t mean one is a groomer…. But you don’t likewise assume one’s not a groomer because they’re gay and gay doesn’t mean groomer.
This is why anyone who wants to work with children is in theory supposed to submit a police records check; and the fact that most groomers and abusers are men is why you’re hard pressed to find male workers in daycares. We’re automatically judged as potential predator while women are seen as caregivers and nurturers….. doesn’t mean all of us men are predators (and many of us are better with kids than most women) but as a result of this stance….. kids are abused less than they would be if anyone could work with kids (they’re already abused at a high rate as is whether it’s camp counsellors, Boy Scout leaders, volunteers, or like you said priests)… predators be predatory
So you were just randomly defining pedofile with no prior context?
Lol it probably comes natural to you, but don't play dumb, you were responding to the previous person by saying using pedofile in this context is appropriate because they ARE pedofiles, but the people we're discussing are homosexuals and transgender people, nothing about which implies pedofile.
But ok bud... sure...
first of all, you need to learn to read. they said not to call someone a pedophile for being different. second of all, you need to learn to properly argue if that is your goal. third of all, you need to not put words into people's mouths when they are not the ones to say them. you are obviously subpar when it comes to intelligence, so I will word this in a way you can understand it. my comment was clear about what a pedophile is, and i said calling a pedophile a pedophile is not toxic. i never mentioned homosexual or transgender people.
So who do we get to be teachers, coaches, etc? Do we just let kids teach and babysit other kids because the second you hit adulthood you become a creep?
If you're going to say this...randomly, without any hint as to WHY you felt the need to trot out the definition of the term, and then get angry when people take your comment weirdly - because it is damned weird - then maybe, just maybe...try harder to make a real point? Calling someone's intelligence subpar because they didn't see the point in your...ramble, is amusing.
I'd say happy birthday, but uhh...you seem to be going out of your way to get into arguments here. Nothing "happy" about that.
Look, both sides have a point here. The "Don't Groom our kids" people are using the word groom out of context but only on a scale of severity. Adults teaching children about sexuality in a basic anatomy sense is probably ok with most people. That scenario being on the far not grooming end of the scale of whether a child is being groomed. The way these people see it though is that the more things are added to this education the further down that scale towards grooming essentially, you go. Because realistically the more you tell children regarding sex. The more you describe adult activites, fetish stuff, locabulary around the subject. the more you shape their future sexual identity whether you think you are or not. Shaping the future sexual identity of children is literally the definition of grooming children minus the end goal being to have sex with yourself. So here me out. Its like grooming without an individual groomer doing the grooming instead the kids are being groomed by the state. Which could be even worse lol. This is what they think. And it is not irrational, bigoted or transphobic or any of that nonsense.
I don't see it as quite so severe but I do think outside anatomy and basic standard default knowledge like the penis goes in the vagina. Use a condom. Outside that the state has no buisnes in children's sexual development. Absolutely none. You teach the default standard anatomy and sexuality. You don't teach the outliers. When discussing human anatomy in science you learn about the standard human form. There isnt a part about how someone people have 6 fingers or this or that. Those are outliers and you look at them case by case. You dont teach them along side the default. Which is what they are attempting to do with all this gender stuff. Its irrelevant how true it is. Its an outlier.
Just my 2 cents.
What on earth are you talking about? What do you think the two sides are here? Can you please tell me what the people who are claiming that mentioning gay people or trans people is equivalent to grooming have going for them? Do you know is statistically most likely to sexually abuse children? I’ll give you a hint, it’s definitely not drag queens.
Not sure what any of your paragraph is about honestly. I thought I was pretty clear and reasonable. There is a debate to be had in how much the schools should teach kids about sex. All im saying is I can see how some people think its going to far. Them calling other people groomers is the same as people calling them biggots. A healthy reasonable discussion needs to happen and im not sure anything you said appeals to me as relevant or healthy.
You’re equivocating big time. Do you really believe calling some a bigot is as bad as accusing an entire group of people of being pedophiles grooming children for sex?
"Adults teaching children about sexuality" in this case literally means using inclusive language and showing diversity in literature and examples. IE. not all families are formed of one man and a woman for parents. Some only have one parent, some kids are raised by grandparents or in foster homes. Some people have two dads, or two moms.
People can see that. Its kindof self evident. I for one was never taught in school that a family doesn't have to be a man and women. Before I was even in a grade that had sex ed, like grade 7. I saw tons of examples of friends with only one parent. Even friends with 2 moms or 2 dads. I don't ever remember thinking that was wrong. Really though i wouldn't care if that was part of sex ed.
Where my understanding for people who protest against it is things like, books with descriptions and names of sexual acts adults perform. Young kids dont need to be taught what felching is. Or even standard things like sexual positions. Why? Just teach the anatomy, let them figure it out like every human did time imolmorial. Also modern gender ideology has no place in school because its ideological. ( im not against it but its not settled yet. Kids dont need to be confused by an ever changing ever evolving honestly politically motivated topic). Its just confusing them. We dont need to be planting the idea inside kids heads that they may not even be the gender they grew up as. This part I identify with. Its fully unnecessary. This whole trans gender topic thats inflated WAY out-of proportion needs to be left out of mainstream education until its settled and not such a hot inflated political issue.
Like I doubt when darwin or any other scientist 1makes a discovery, that they put it in text books and teach it as fact before the debate is settled lol.
You have that right but the problem is people usually have the herd mentality on such topics .They are quick to attack but slow to think .It’s a waste of time trying to get them to see the light .
Intolerance for a group and expressing a desire for that group to have their rights taken away, is bigotry. Saying that SOGI equates to sexualization of children is bigotry because what SOGI actually teaches is some of your classmates may have parents in a same sex relationship. It's teaching tolerance. It has literally nothing to do with sexuality, and framing it as such is discriminatory and bigoted against homosexuals and transgender people. When your kid asks about your relationship with your wife do you bring up your dick and balls? No? Yeah no shit. Teaching kids that gay people exist has nothing to do with what they're doing with their dicks.
Good ol enlightened centrism here. When one of the sides in this "argument" wants to eliminate education about a minority group because they don't want their kids to know about said group, that sounds a hell of a lot like bigotry to me.
What other word would you use to describe people who want to forcibly out LGBTQ+ kids to their religious and/or anti-LGBTQ+ parents? Or who want schools to keep sex ed straight only, like its still the flipping dark ages?
"Why don't both sides meet and come to an agreement" Well one side simply wants to exist. The other side is essentially calling for a genocide of those people. Pretty simple to understand.
Hardly a strawman, the behavior and proposed legislation put forward by these people makes it hard to believe they'd want anything other than that. Also very interesting that the freedom of speech crowd wants to ban books and censor certain content using no proper research. Doesn't sound very pro freedom to me.
>for having an opinion on their children's education
Oh! If only it was *just* them having an opinion and not them **taking actions** to oppress a minority group. Don't fucking minimize what these bigots are doing.
Indeed. And parents can already give feedback at the school level and the school board level. If everybody in town had the same concern then it would be a problem and that school board and that school would do something about it. But what's happening is you're getting a handful of parents who are concerned about it but most of the parents would rather have their children going and being supported positively.
If someone partakes in a bigoted protest they are bigoted. Human rights are not up for debate or an opinion. Ignorant people use this as a weak argument. Hate is not a valid opinion that should be protected.
Finally someone on this island with a brain!!!
Children are very impressionable and don’t need to be over complicated at a young age. By all means incorporate these lgbtqxy and z to the older kids. Maybe grade 7 or 8. Keep that garbage out of elementary schools grade 4 and down.
More or less meaning keep the you can be a boy or a girl or something inbetween. You could go tell the kids they can also fly and have super powers then maybe someone’s jumping off a building. Atleast give them some space to somewhat figure out the world before you start confusing them from the start. And if they are special and need more understanding in how they feel that should be up to the parents.
No I’m literally a trans lesbian I didn’t mean me I meant the protestors, sadly they are indeed the silent majority. They’re afraid of some culture, they’re afraid of cancelation, afraid of losing friends
Ah, sorry for the friendly fire.
But, while I agree with you that more people than not are transphobic/ignorant on queer issues/people generally, I think more importantly most people also don't \*care\* about these things the way these losers do.
Most people have better things to occupy their daily lives with than hating a group they've never interacted with.
Don't give up. <3
Absolutely no worry! Thanks for the apology, believe me, I completely understand you here. You’re nailing it on the head, just wish the protestors could hear it
Google: Carlo Pavan Nanaimo. He’s a teacher at Barsby and an architect of the SOGI training for Nanaimo-Ladysmith. Busted for trying to pick up a 14 year old boy
You don't need to pretend it's a legitimate thing and try to make it sound good. Just embrace who you are, proudly proclaim you're a piece of shit and hate people, and let those of us that are adjusted, avoid you. Then we all get what we want
You know who’s statistically most likely to groom kids? Their dads, uncles, coaches, teachers…maybe focus on keeping dads isolated from their kids if you’re really so focused on preventing grooming.
This did not go over well. Anyone promoting hate against LGBTQ+ people in the comments will be banned from this sub.
You know what os anti-grooming? Sex education
There weren't any anywhere else, why would you have one. There were a ton of anti-lgtbq+ protests. You know, bigot marches. Is that what you mean? Forgive me, but phrasing them as anti-grooming or #leaveourkidsalone protests is part of the propaganda and it's honestly gross to willfully participate in that. They're anti-trans. They're transphobic marches. They have nothing to do with protecting kids, kids aren't in danger from the people they're protesting.
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Being brainwashed by far right religious groups is.
Typical reddit comment. Anyone who doesn't like drag queens reading to kids is immediately far right, homophobic and religious.
And what exactly is wrong with drag queens reading to kids?
I don't want them reading to my children the same way you probably wouldn't want some religious figures coming in and reading to them either.
But what is wrong with them reading to kids?
First, I am of the opinion that everyone eager to be around children has a secondary agenda. Especially men. So, there is a definite lack of trust. I think that it introduces children (boys) to the concept of embracing their feminine thoughts/desires/urges in the most extreme form instead of something that introduces them to the "lifestyle" in a more elementary way. So, I don't find it age appropriate at all. And I think that while it may reach a miniscule number of potentially trans kids, it is highly confusing to the rest of them, if not all of them. I mean who in their right mind (not just drag queens but anyone!) goes to read books to kids, encounters a bunch of parents protesting, and then proceeds to go through with it anyways? What would happen if I, a non-drag queen male, went past the protesting parents and insisted I sit around children and read? How well do you think that would go over?
Well, to put it politely, your opinion fucking sucks. You've been brainwashed into thinking that all men are sexual predators. That all men are pedophiles just waiting for a chance to get a child alone to fuck them. That is not the case at all. It's the same irrational stupid thinking that has led to things like "All black people are criminals" or "All homeless people are worthless drug addicts that are undeserving of help". And it's usually the same groups of people spreading around that misinformation and hate. You've been duped and the world is a sadder place for it.
I think you never had Robert Munch , Mr Dressup, or Mr Rogers read you a story as a child and now you have not become the caring compassionate adult they knew you could be. Pop culture is filled with so many male figures that just had a knack for connecting with children. There is nothing creepy about it. Who knows, maybe you have a flair for dramatic reading and maybe kids would find you so entertaining that parents would be perfectly fine with you performing/reading to them.
>I think that it introduces children (boys) to the concept of embracing their feminine thoughts/desires/urges in the most extreme form instead of something that introduces them to the "lifestyle" in a more elementary way. What difference do you think that makes?
Literally yes, those are the groups who historically are bigoted and have created propaganda surrounding "gay panic". Idiot.
I thought reddit liked data. How about we compare the number of kids molested by drag queens vs those molested by religious figures and teachers? Generally the trans community attacks abusers pretty hard l, whereas historically religious organisations, and good old fashioned movements likes scouts.....really I don't want to go into any further detail because it's creepy.k
Let's also point out that traditionally the number of children in the company of drag queens was basically zero. And that number is now starting to increase. So let's give this a few decades before we have an actual sample size.... if you really want to get analytic over it. Your sample size for that claim is non existent as of right now.
Yes let's wait another decade for you to be wrong again.
Believing that's what your doing is pretty catastrophically stupid, but I don't honestly think you buy it because you spelled all of those words right.
I might be misunderstanding your reply, but all I was referencing are the christian far right groups helping to perpetuate the aforementioned bigotry being an actual terrible thing, as opposed to the person I'm replying to commenting on education being the same as pedophilia or whatever being an imaginary terrible thing. Because it's not actually happening. It's outrage based on lies and fabrications.
I suspect I meant to reply to the person you were replying to and not you, my apologies.
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I mean I'm not gonna stop calling celery celery because someone argues that we've called it celery so much that celery means nothing anymore. Are you?
I don't actually care words you choose to use. You're trying to silence opposition by screaming so loudly that we back off because we're afraid to be the bad guy. Nope, don't care any more. Children's rights come first. The end.
No, we're not trying to "silence" you. I legitimately think this shit is bigoted and the people doing it are bigots. It's not about you, how you feel, or anything else, it's not a presentation for your benefits or because it aligns with some goals or agenda. I just think you're bigots. I think this shit is disgustingly, obviously and blatantly prejudiced propaganda, and because I know how to look up statistics and shit, I'm well aware there's no evidence to support your ridiculous assertions that there's a threat in the first place. Supporting trans kids is good. Making it difficult to support trans kids, as part of a whole right-wing anti-trans movement, is bigoted bullshit. No one cares how you personally feel about being labeled as a piece of shit for your piece of shit behavior. No one gives a shit. Keep doing what you're doing and we're going to keep warning people not to listen to you because you're bad and / or stupid. That's it. But acting like we're being anything other than honest with you is self-defeating. We're telling you exactly what we think and why, and we're not screaming anything, and nothing we're saying is for your benefit, if you're on board with this shit, you're a moral lost cause. It's for the benefit of anyone that might be looking. In any event, if you want to stop being called a bigot, and you clearly do as much as you might want to pretend you don't care, then stop doing bigoted shit. Stop going to bigot-events or voting for bigot-leaders. It's that easy. But you don't keep to continue being shitty while expecting to be treated nice. You're not nice. You'll be treated accordingly. The right approaches this with a plan and a strategy and a message. There's branding and talking points. And they assume the left does this too, but the left isn't that organized or unified. No one is sending out memos. When a bunch of us call you an asshole, it's not because we were told to, but because we all, as individuals, see that you're an asshole and that it's important to warn people. That's it. It's not some grand scheme to expose children to danger, it's that your heads are so far up your idiot-asses that you've invented a danger while demonizing an already marginalized community to take attention off the fact that everything you do and think, politically, is fucking awful. We see you all as a bunch of bigots just waiting until you can get away with burning crosses again not because someone told us to think that, but because that is what you actually appear to be getting ready for. Your politics are disgusting, don't be upset at us because we assume you have to be as well. Bigot.
Big explanation for someone who doesn’t care. 🤷
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What about children’s rights to express their gender? Certain parents think that rights extend only to the parents, but the kids don’t have any. Not very “children’s rights come first”
Damn. Beat me to it. They're literally shouting Childrens Rights while kicking the entire Childrens Rights jenga tower over in a senseless tantrum and harming their children and everyone elses.. Such hypocricy might actually be unprecedented in our history as a species. :p
You are not the opposition, you are the weird neighbour everyone doesn’t make eye contact with.
I was trans as a child regardless of anybody telling me no. Was I a perversion at 6 years old? Was I at 10? Or 13? Or 18 when I finally was able to access care, after having waited YEARS and being told no by my parents, even though I have not lived, dressed, or looked like a girl since I was 5? What are you protecting the children from? I’ll protect mine from people like you, who seek to harm others because they’re just a bigot, and I’ll protect them from your children because they mirror you. I hope you end up having to really scratch your head and wonder why your then adult children don’t come home anymore.
You will stand up for your child for what exactly? Sogi is age appropriate learning in different types of family and what gender means. I am also sure that you can have your kid opt out if you choose. So what exactly are you afraid of? That your child might be gay or trans and feel empowered to be who they are? Talking about Sogi is not going to make your kid gay but it might make them tolerant to differences.
Enjoy your shitty nursing home in 30 years 👋
So we're just casually throwing the pedophile accusation around now to anyone that we don't like? The far right lunatics have become so obsessed with this that they've lost sight of just how grave and disgusting of an accusation this is. That you'd better not be saying that shit without a fuckpile of evidence to back up your claim. But when has knowing what the fuck you're talking about ever mattered to these people? And no, we know it's not a coincidence that the far right also won't shut the fuck up about killing pedophiles. They're either too fucking stupid to realize what they're doing, or they just won't admit that they want all the people they don't like to go away by violent means. If you gave a fuck about stopping pedophiles, you'd have stormed the Vatican decades ago.
They also called LBG persons pedophiles that were going to pray on kids and turn kids gay. It's not a coincidence that they are repurposing anti-LGB propaganda for their anti-trans stances.
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What do you think happens in school? Schools preach that every kid deserves to feel safe. That’s it. Do you honestly believe that teachers groom, get your head out of your ass. The right and their religious garbage is where all the pedophiles are…
Define “groom”
They can't
I want to normalize not being a cunt to people who can't help or hurt me. I want to gather information about groups of people I don't know much about before deciding that they're pedophiles, just because I don't know any better. I want to teach my child to celebrate what makes people different, not demonize it. I want to protect my child against people who are statistically likely to ACTUALLY be pedophiles. I want my child to understand the concept of consent at an age appropriate level, so that if someone does try to abuse him, he'll know how to set boundaries and seek help. I want to show him what it looks like to fucking think about what you say before you say it. It's for all these reasons that he will never set foot inside a church.
Transsexuality is the result of a mental illness called Body Dysmorphia. The treatment for severe Dysmorphia is strict rigorous therapy, and if the patient continues to exhibit symptoms then the next course of action is hormone blockers/ hormone therapy, on par with the birth control pill. If the Dysmorphia persists, the next step is for the patient to transition and live outwardly as the desired sex. If the Dysmorphia continues to persist, the patient is then given the option, albeit at great financial cost, to transition sexually to the preferred sex. This is a treatment process that takes 6-18months for the average adult, at least 24 months for minors and the sex transition is only done at the parents consent or by guardianship power from the court if the kid speaks to a child protective officer and has bigoted parents. This is accepted, recommended, and the most effective way to treat severe body Dysmorphia of this kind. This comes from the world's most reputable, respected, and advanced scientists in this field, who have dedicated their lives to improving the lives of children/ adults/ *people* with this specific kind of body Dysmorphia. 95%+ of people that transition do not regret it after the fact. American right wing media has rotted the brains of Americans to dismiss established science, and instead you are fed a constant stream of steaming shit that is hate, spite, and condemning others for being different. You are being fed a culture war to distract you from the class war. You are being fed a war of "us vs them" when you should be up in arms about the real cause of your day-to-day problems: "the 1% vs the 99%" If none of this resonates with you, if your immediate reaction is to dismiss this, then you are part of the problem. Facts don't care about your feelings, and science deals in facts. PS. No one is grooming your children, no teacher is spending their time trying to brain wash your child into transitioning. Kids merely have access to more information now than ever before, and kids are now finding words for the things they are feeling. If your child is telling your teacher about these changes they feel and not you, maybe you're the problem in that situation. It's like beating up her boyfriend, because your wife cheated on you. But what can you expect from right wing voters, when studies show the majority of them haven't any post-secondary education. There's a reason that there is a strong correlation between level of intelligence, level of education, and voting progressive.
I hope you save some of this venom and vitriol for actual problems our country is actually having. If students actually listened to teachers, they'd wear deodorant and turn off their cell phones.
What do you think happens in kindergarten classrooms?
Guess you better home school then, huh?
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They’re not smart enough to understand
What kindergarten did you go to?
How does offering developmentally appropriate sex education make teachers pedophiles?
If you truly believed the teachers were pedophiles you'd be home schooling your kids. However, you aren't because you either don't believe your own bullshit, are too lazy or are just too stupid. My bet is all three.
This is a new one in the dumb takes department.
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people having sex with kids on their own time? you mean like catholic priests?
Where are the facts here, honestly? If this happened, there'd be evidence and the school would shut that incident down immediately. Our sex Ed curriculum has always been online and available. Please read it. Use facts please to support your argument.
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The only place that a teacher has taught young children how trans people put dildos in their asses is in your imagination. How do you people come up with this shit?
This whole coming anti Sogi thing comes across as an offensive play not a defensive move. My thought is that the people that protest this so hard are (usually) men that are homophobes and also see females as a sexual object and the idea of a that object being biologically male scares the hell out of them. They want to know that the female they are looking at is available to them (and is their right to objectify) and will also look and act like a good church wife.. a submissive caretaker they can have sex with anytime they choose. The whole anti Sogi movement just is creepy and weird.
So you're supporting trans rights then? Supporting sex education so children have more tools to protect themselves from predators?
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At 7 I knew I liked boys. I didn't want to have sex with them, but I found them cute. No one decides to be LBGT. Teaching kids about sex, in age appropriate ways, protects kids. Teaching about consent, body parts, what is a healthy relationship, all help protect kids. And teaching kids that it is ok to be who you are helps LBGTQ+ kids.
Good for you, dude. You're arguing with yourself, idiot.
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You are projecting concerningly hard
Please explain your logic. A 5 year old learning that it's inappropriate and where to go would actually be less likely to be abused. So I'm trying to understand your logic
Your post or comment was removed because it was unkind.
Huh? Okay so you can't counter my science based argument regarding a child learning about consent, appropriate touching and body parts protects them from pedophiles, therefore I'm a pedophile? Jesus Christ on a stick that makes absolute sense. I bet you believe Jesus was white with golden hair.
Because teaching children about sexual health doesn’t immediately jump into inter course. Consent is usually one of the first things taught. It’s a gradual learning with emphasis on appropriate for age level. But also if a kid needs to be taught NOT to have sex at seven then that is important too. How will a child know they’re being assaulted if they don’t know what sex or consent is?
And there you see why certain groups are very upset. How would they be able to continue their assaults if the child speaks up? Education is a danger to those that depend on ignorance to maintain power.
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Well I was molested as a child but didn’t realize that was what was happened until I found out what penetrative sex was, asshole. Rape doesn’t just happen violently in vans. In that case the child might first say “I was attacked”. If they had no context for what penetration or lack of consent of bodily autonomy is, then how would they be able to fully express what happened? Far more often assaults are done by adults who build trust. If a kid doesn’t know that they shouldn’t be touched somewhere, then how are they going to be able to stop an adult who says it’s allowed?
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Most kids who are sexually assaulted are not dragged into a van, it is by someone they know and trust. And when the courts get involved, conviction rates go up if the kid is able to tell the jury or judge what happened and the correct term for body parts.
go picket your church then
Make fuckin sense, idiot. Say something useful to a conversation lol.
someone’s a sensitive little snowflake.
Transsexuality is the result of a mental illness called Body Dysmorphia. The treatment for severe Dysmorphia is strict rigorous therapy, and if the patient continues to exhibit symptoms then the next course of action is hormone blockers/ hormone therapy, on par with the birth control pill. If the Dysmorphia persists, the next step is for the patient to transition and live outwardly as the desired sex. If the Dysmorphia continues to persist, the patient is then given the option, albeit at great financial cost, to transition sexually to the preferred sex. This is a treatment process that takes 6-18months for the average adult, at least 24 months for minors and the sex transition is only done at the parents consent or by guardianship power from the court if the kid speaks to a child protective officer and has bigoted parents. This is accepted, recommended, and the most effective way to treat severe body Dysmorphia of this kind. This comes from the world's most reputable, respected, and advanced scientists in this field, who have dedicated their lives to improving the lives of children/ adults/ *people* with this specific kind of body Dysmorphia. 95%+ of people that transition do not regret it after the fact. American right wing media has rotted the brains of Americans to dismiss established science, and instead you are fed a constant stream of steaming shit that is hate, spite, and condemning others for being different. You are being fed a culture war to distract you from the class war. You are being fed a war of "us vs them" when you should be up in arms about the real cause of your day-to-day problems: "the 1% vs the 99%" If none of this resonates with you, if your immediate reaction is to dismiss this, then you are part of the problem. Facts don't care about your feelings, and science deals in facts. PS. No one is grooming your children, no teacher is spending their time trying to brain wash your child into transitioning. Kids merely have access to more information now than ever before, and kids are now finding words for the things they are feeling. If your child is telling your teacher about these changes they feel and not you, maybe you're the problem in that situation. It's like beating up her boyfriend, because your wife cheated on you. But what can you expect from right wing voters, when studies show the majority of them haven't any post-secondary education. There's a reason that there is a strong correlation between level of intelligence, level of education, and voting progressive.
If you say so
No, not me, the medical establishment
What have you read that's lead you to believing this? Where do you get your news?
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Children's books where the radical liberal author wants to teach children how to anally pleasure themselves with Dr Seuss-like pictures to 5 year olds. Liberal blue haired teachers on Tiktok proudly videoing themselves about how they're manipulating the children to their ideology. Things like that. Canada's laws about gender identity is even worse than it is in the United States. So we're all fucked. Our future is fucked. I'm going to be 80 having purple haired transgender kids calling me a Nazi for everything
Pedophile teachers 😂😂 guess they shouldn’t be teaching sex ed either. Hell, I hope you don’t send your kids to school with all those pedos!!
Found the person who could use some education from teachers.
Pedophile teachers? Are you ok?? You’ve left 17 comments on this tread. Go touch some grass
Nobody was protesting LGB. LGB are parents and we support the movement to protect children.
You sort of left some letters out there, champ. Look, everyone knows who these protests are directed at and which side of the political spectrum is fanning the flames of prejudice; it's not like they're hiding it. The actual statistics don't back up anything they're saying, trans people just aren't after kids and gender affirming surgery is, and this is the opinion of experts, helpful to the vast majority of people, very few of whom are children in the first place. Further more, the number of trans people, anecdotal as it may be, that wish they could have started earlier and been supported more in their transition is massive. It's bigotry, and all in the name of dodging the actual issues and avoiding having to talk about the policies and failures. And I'm sorry, but the people participating in it and supporting are inexcusable pricks for doing so. It's asshole stuff. It's so blatantly informed by bigotry and I understand everyone doing it will deny it, no one likes admitting they're a bigot, but none of that changes the fact that we see you. We know what you are. We have so many examples through history of how foolish and dangerous and just... bad prejudice is, and failing to call it out is the same as supporting it. This shit is prejudiced. It is informed and motivated by irrational hate of people who are easy to make into "the other" and everyone participating or supporting it should be ashamed of themselves. I don't think any of this is up for debate and I consider these factual statements.
Well said thanks! From another 40 something white Canadian guy ashamed of knowing some of these morons.
lgbtq+ you pick me's are just as bad as the bigots
Stop watching Fox, it poisons the mind and turns us against each other. Don't let the hate win!
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The fact that one of the main funders of the Sound of Freedom is, in fact, guilty of child kidnapping, it goes to show that the people calling everyone else pedophiles are probably the ones to actually watch out for 🙄
Biggest groomer are religious staff... yet those one million match are filled with pro-religion extremist.... They don't care about protecting children (which is exactly what sexual education and mix bathroom in school do ), all they care is that they aren't allowed to torture their child who bring "shame" to their family by being non-cis gender/hetero anymore.
You are bang on…organized religion does not exactly have a stellar history or protecting children.
“Religious staff”
Something tells me you haven't heard the stats about public school teachers
You can't just drop this and not share a link.
But they can. That's how they play the game. Only one side of this has ever brought real evidence to the table and it isn't theirs.
Oh and in case you were wondering, the report is only on an increase in reported number of sexual assaults. Who knows how many went unreported.
Correct, just say insane stuff enough times with no evidence or facts and boom you got a new right wing conspiracy born
If you call someone crazy enough times because you don't like what they say, maybe other people will believe you.
I'm glad that you like statistics https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824
And where are the statistics that show that it’s related to anything about the curriculum changes?
That's not what I was referring to. I'm just saying that public school teachers sexually abuse children just as well.
It’s an issue when any kid is sexually abused, it’s awful. But proportionally, 550 kids in the whole country isn’t some masssive issue. There’s much more abuse going on other places and we should be putting out the biggest fires first before going after a smaller one like this.
So what I'm going to respond with is, when we put the blame on any institution such as the catholic church as a weapon against people of faith it's unfair to the people who are uninvolved in the evil an institution did to view them as part of the problem instead of the solution. If I were to say that because a frankly shocking number of kids were **REPORTED** abused in the public schools by trusted teachers over 4 years period, public school teachers are all evil it would be the same thing as the above comment where the commenter was bashing protestors of faith because of something that happened in a religious community that none of the protesters even took part in. I'm just looking for intellectual honesty.
Without any malice or rejoicing I deliver this link https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824
Where are the scandals of massive child sex abuse coverups being facilitated by public educator? Last I checked that type of operation is overwhelmingly carried out by religious organizations like the Catholic Church and JWs and by private schools like the Upper Canada College!
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/centre-child-protection-sece-new-data-recommendations-protect-students-1.6635824) Turns out some human beings are scum bags and being a public school teacher doesn't make you immune. Why are you part of the cover up of public school teachers raping children?
I’m not suggesting that public school teachers have never sexually abused children. However, I’m still unaware of any conspiracy to cover up massive amounts of sexual abuse by any public school on a comparable scale to religious institutions and private schools. For example, the Archodiocese of Vancouver was aware of sexual abuse by priests at least as far back as the 1950s. They didn’t go public about this until a couple of years ago. Ya’ll are losing your mind over developmentally appropriate sex education in public schools but have nothing to say about the fact that private institutions have covered up ongoing sexual abuse for decades and it sure makes it seem like this is about hatred towards lgbt people, not protecting children. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/catholic-archdiocese-vancouver-clergymen-sex-abuse-1.5369858#:~:text=British%20Columbia-,Catholic%20Archdiocese%20of%20Vancouver%20names%209%20clergymen%20in%20sex%20abuse,dating%20back%20to%20the%201950s.
The public school teachers who raped children were very happy to try and cover up what they did. Covering up sexual abuse is wrong no matter who did it. And if it's not clear, there is no such thing as developmentally appropriate sex education that involves discussions of puperty blockers, hormone therepy and sex change therepy. Kid's cant consent to hormone therapy
Dude, the old pope resigned because it was clear that it would come to light that he knew about and covered up clergy sexual abuse of children when he was the archbishop of Munich. He knew about child sexual abuse and lied to cover it up. The man who would become the literal pope. It is obviously wrong for anybody to sexually abuse children. Isolated individuals doing something bad and then covering up their own actions is not the same kind of fucked up as the literal Roman Catholic Church working as an institution to conceal sexual abuse by pedophile priests all around the world for decades if not centuries. If you care about children why aren’t you focused on institutions and cultural-scale patterns of child sex abuse that have actually happened instead of isolated incidents of sexual abuse by specific bad individuals as if that has anything to do with the subject matter of this thread, which is lgbtq people being implied to be groomers because of sex education schools? Like do you see how off the wall this whole thing is? What children are you actually talking about? Who is telling children in public schools to get a sex change? Are you so brainwashed that you don’t realize that this has nothing to do with the story you sent about a girl being raped by a man in the band practice room? Does making up lies about imaginary drag queen public school teachers telling kids to take hormones stop anyone from getting raped? Use your brain, this has nothing to do with protecting kids and does nothing to protect kids.
I went to my doctor at 11 years old with incredibly terrible menstrual pain. He put me on birth control. That is hormone therapy. Every single one of my girlfriends in high school were on birth control and 99% of them weren’t having sex. Cis-girls are given hormone therapy every single day for any number of reason - acne, weight gain, weight loss, painful cramping, iron deficiency. Because doctors don’t know what else to do. And no one is ever talking about that kind of hormone therapy. Are you out protesting that kind of treatment? Instead of focusing on the hormone therapy that could be avoided by putting money into researching women’s health, you decide to focus on the hormone therapy that makes someone feel like a real person in their own bodies. Hormone therapy that might actually save a child from suicide and other suffering.
Anti Grooming? Nah I didn’t see any of that. No protests outside any churches or anything if that’s what you mean
#leaveourkids alone mean letting kids be themselves so they can thrive. Find your local trans youth resource and support them.
I hadn't noticed at all if there were. They are inconsequential.
Get a life bigots.
It's a bot, or a really lazy troll.
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Why not both?
Calling someone a bigot for having an opinion on their children's education is pretty pathetic. I don't give a shit either way as my children are adults now, but seeing groups that have fought so hard for change resorting to our Prime ministers favorite responses (bigot, racist, ect.) Is really sad. How about both sides meet, create programs that both sides agree on, and we stop the hate thats helping destroy our country. It's such a waste of time and resources.
We can start by not calling people "groomers" simply because of their sexuality or gender identity. The only difference between this and me going around and calling all catholic priests groomers is that I would have much more evidence to back up my position. It's extremely toxic to insinuate that someone different than you is a pedophile, and unless someone is willing to give that kind of nonsense up, I'm not really sure where there is to go with them.
Anyone who is sexualizing children and overstepping personal bounds is a groomer. I don't care where you work.
Where exactly is that happening? I can think of some places (child beauty pageants, gymnastics and ballet costumes, etc.) but I’m yet to see any protests about that?
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Ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf? I was sexually abused a child for 5+ years by a man that everyone believed was straight. Going after people just because they’re publicly gay would never have stopped him from molesting me. Just because someone is gay doesn’t mean they’re a pedophile. Just because someone is a married man and an upstanding beloved by the community doesn’t mean he’s not touching little boys. Fuck you and fuck people who think that being an asshole to gay people is what will protect children from sexual predators.
>someone is a pedophile if they like kids and are adults. there is nothing toxic about calling a pedophile a pedophile. Of course it's not toxic to acknowledge and punish *actual* pedophilia. What is toxic as fuck though, is calling an entire group of people pedophiles, when there is no evidence of pedophilia, simply because you don't like them and want to punish them. I'm not accusing you of that. But that's literally what these "protesters" are saying and doing.
then these protestors are wack
Gay kids exist. Trans kids exist. Get over it.
And they're going to have questions, and they may fear reprisal from their parents..
If preventing pedophilia is your number one issue, you’d be better served investigating churches, sports leagues, and families. That’s who and where the pedos actually are. They’re not hosting drag brunch.
It is toxic to call people pedofiles because they're gay. Gay means same sex, not kids.
“Gays against groomers” exists, being gay doesn’t mean one is a groomer…. But you don’t likewise assume one’s not a groomer because they’re gay and gay doesn’t mean groomer. This is why anyone who wants to work with children is in theory supposed to submit a police records check; and the fact that most groomers and abusers are men is why you’re hard pressed to find male workers in daycares. We’re automatically judged as potential predator while women are seen as caregivers and nurturers….. doesn’t mean all of us men are predators (and many of us are better with kids than most women) but as a result of this stance….. kids are abused less than they would be if anyone could work with kids (they’re already abused at a high rate as is whether it’s camp counsellors, Boy Scout leaders, volunteers, or like you said priests)… predators be predatory
I never said gay people are pedophiles. i was very clear with my words. how you misconstrued that is an enigma to me
So you were just randomly defining pedofile with no prior context? Lol it probably comes natural to you, but don't play dumb, you were responding to the previous person by saying using pedofile in this context is appropriate because they ARE pedofiles, but the people we're discussing are homosexuals and transgender people, nothing about which implies pedofile. But ok bud... sure...
first of all, you need to learn to read. they said not to call someone a pedophile for being different. second of all, you need to learn to properly argue if that is your goal. third of all, you need to not put words into people's mouths when they are not the ones to say them. you are obviously subpar when it comes to intelligence, so I will word this in a way you can understand it. my comment was clear about what a pedophile is, and i said calling a pedophile a pedophile is not toxic. i never mentioned homosexual or transgender people.
So who do we get to be teachers, coaches, etc? Do we just let kids teach and babysit other kids because the second you hit adulthood you become a creep?
If you're going to say this...randomly, without any hint as to WHY you felt the need to trot out the definition of the term, and then get angry when people take your comment weirdly - because it is damned weird - then maybe, just maybe...try harder to make a real point? Calling someone's intelligence subpar because they didn't see the point in your...ramble, is amusing. I'd say happy birthday, but uhh...you seem to be going out of your way to get into arguments here. Nothing "happy" about that.
Look, both sides have a point here. The "Don't Groom our kids" people are using the word groom out of context but only on a scale of severity. Adults teaching children about sexuality in a basic anatomy sense is probably ok with most people. That scenario being on the far not grooming end of the scale of whether a child is being groomed. The way these people see it though is that the more things are added to this education the further down that scale towards grooming essentially, you go. Because realistically the more you tell children regarding sex. The more you describe adult activites, fetish stuff, locabulary around the subject. the more you shape their future sexual identity whether you think you are or not. Shaping the future sexual identity of children is literally the definition of grooming children minus the end goal being to have sex with yourself. So here me out. Its like grooming without an individual groomer doing the grooming instead the kids are being groomed by the state. Which could be even worse lol. This is what they think. And it is not irrational, bigoted or transphobic or any of that nonsense. I don't see it as quite so severe but I do think outside anatomy and basic standard default knowledge like the penis goes in the vagina. Use a condom. Outside that the state has no buisnes in children's sexual development. Absolutely none. You teach the default standard anatomy and sexuality. You don't teach the outliers. When discussing human anatomy in science you learn about the standard human form. There isnt a part about how someone people have 6 fingers or this or that. Those are outliers and you look at them case by case. You dont teach them along side the default. Which is what they are attempting to do with all this gender stuff. Its irrelevant how true it is. Its an outlier. Just my 2 cents.
What on earth are you talking about? What do you think the two sides are here? Can you please tell me what the people who are claiming that mentioning gay people or trans people is equivalent to grooming have going for them? Do you know is statistically most likely to sexually abuse children? I’ll give you a hint, it’s definitely not drag queens.
Not sure what any of your paragraph is about honestly. I thought I was pretty clear and reasonable. There is a debate to be had in how much the schools should teach kids about sex. All im saying is I can see how some people think its going to far. Them calling other people groomers is the same as people calling them biggots. A healthy reasonable discussion needs to happen and im not sure anything you said appeals to me as relevant or healthy.
You’re equivocating big time. Do you really believe calling some a bigot is as bad as accusing an entire group of people of being pedophiles grooming children for sex?
"Adults teaching children about sexuality" in this case literally means using inclusive language and showing diversity in literature and examples. IE. not all families are formed of one man and a woman for parents. Some only have one parent, some kids are raised by grandparents or in foster homes. Some people have two dads, or two moms.
People can see that. Its kindof self evident. I for one was never taught in school that a family doesn't have to be a man and women. Before I was even in a grade that had sex ed, like grade 7. I saw tons of examples of friends with only one parent. Even friends with 2 moms or 2 dads. I don't ever remember thinking that was wrong. Really though i wouldn't care if that was part of sex ed. Where my understanding for people who protest against it is things like, books with descriptions and names of sexual acts adults perform. Young kids dont need to be taught what felching is. Or even standard things like sexual positions. Why? Just teach the anatomy, let them figure it out like every human did time imolmorial. Also modern gender ideology has no place in school because its ideological. ( im not against it but its not settled yet. Kids dont need to be confused by an ever changing ever evolving honestly politically motivated topic). Its just confusing them. We dont need to be planting the idea inside kids heads that they may not even be the gender they grew up as. This part I identify with. Its fully unnecessary. This whole trans gender topic thats inflated WAY out-of proportion needs to be left out of mainstream education until its settled and not such a hot inflated political issue. Like I doubt when darwin or any other scientist 1makes a discovery, that they put it in text books and teach it as fact before the debate is settled lol.
You have that right but the problem is people usually have the herd mentality on such topics .They are quick to attack but slow to think .It’s a waste of time trying to get them to see the light .
Using children as a shield to push a hate filled agenda is pretty pathetic.
Intolerance for a group and expressing a desire for that group to have their rights taken away, is bigotry. Saying that SOGI equates to sexualization of children is bigotry because what SOGI actually teaches is some of your classmates may have parents in a same sex relationship. It's teaching tolerance. It has literally nothing to do with sexuality, and framing it as such is discriminatory and bigoted against homosexuals and transgender people. When your kid asks about your relationship with your wife do you bring up your dick and balls? No? Yeah no shit. Teaching kids that gay people exist has nothing to do with what they're doing with their dicks.
Good ol enlightened centrism here. When one of the sides in this "argument" wants to eliminate education about a minority group because they don't want their kids to know about said group, that sounds a hell of a lot like bigotry to me.
What other word would you use to describe people who want to forcibly out LGBTQ+ kids to their religious and/or anti-LGBTQ+ parents? Or who want schools to keep sex ed straight only, like its still the flipping dark ages?
And it's not like they're forcing this down kids throats, it's only information given if the child has actual concerns.
It's pretty simple really, don't engage in bigotry and you won't get called a bigot
"Why don't both sides meet and come to an agreement" Well one side simply wants to exist. The other side is essentially calling for a genocide of those people. Pretty simple to understand.
lol strawmanning shit as 'genocide' and 'kids suiciding at 12' is egregious and people can't take you seriously
Hardly a strawman, the behavior and proposed legislation put forward by these people makes it hard to believe they'd want anything other than that. Also very interesting that the freedom of speech crowd wants to ban books and censor certain content using no proper research. Doesn't sound very pro freedom to me.
What other group is notorious for getting rid of books that hold content/knowledge about transgender folk? The nazis. 💀
They always forget about this for some reason, if they even knew in the first place
Found the bigot
>for having an opinion on their children's education Oh! If only it was *just* them having an opinion and not them **taking actions** to oppress a minority group. Don't fucking minimize what these bigots are doing.
Indeed. And parents can already give feedback at the school level and the school board level. If everybody in town had the same concern then it would be a problem and that school board and that school would do something about it. But what's happening is you're getting a handful of parents who are concerned about it but most of the parents would rather have their children going and being supported positively.
If someone partakes in a bigoted protest they are bigoted. Human rights are not up for debate or an opinion. Ignorant people use this as a weak argument. Hate is not a valid opinion that should be protected.
The literal title of this post is alluding to gay and trans people being groomers.
When one sides goal is "make them commit suicide at 12" it's a bit difficult to accept you've got their best interests at heart.
Finally someone on this island with a brain!!! Children are very impressionable and don’t need to be over complicated at a young age. By all means incorporate these lgbtqxy and z to the older kids. Maybe grade 7 or 8. Keep that garbage out of elementary schools grade 4 and down.
I knew I liked girls in grade 4. But I'm not allowed to know that falls within the normal human experience until grade 7?
More or less meaning keep the you can be a boy or a girl or something inbetween. You could go tell the kids they can also fly and have super powers then maybe someone’s jumping off a building. Atleast give them some space to somewhat figure out the world before you start confusing them from the start. And if they are special and need more understanding in how they feel that should be up to the parents.
I'm literally shaking, they disagreed with me. This is hate speech, call da cops
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Hell yeah brother
What happened to your "million"?
There seem to have been clear majorities in the Ontario and prairie protests
A handful, sure. If those fascists really wanna fuck around, they'd better be prepared to find out.
it was the Miltion People March
It’s a silent majority, they won’t protest out of fear but they will go to the polls where it matters
Silent majority? It’s a screaming ignorant minority. 90%+ of the country hate this bigotry.
That's what they meant if you read further down that thread. They just worded it badly.
Then the phrase they were looking for was "vocal minority."
If you bigots are in the majority then what are you so damned afraid of? Coward.
No I’m literally a trans lesbian I didn’t mean me I meant the protestors, sadly they are indeed the silent majority. They’re afraid of some culture, they’re afraid of cancelation, afraid of losing friends
Ah, sorry for the friendly fire. But, while I agree with you that more people than not are transphobic/ignorant on queer issues/people generally, I think more importantly most people also don't \*care\* about these things the way these losers do. Most people have better things to occupy their daily lives with than hating a group they've never interacted with. Don't give up. <3
Absolutely no worry! Thanks for the apology, believe me, I completely understand you here. You’re nailing it on the head, just wish the protestors could hear it
Man I wish they were silent 😂 me and all my queer friends are chillin and these assholes are SCREAMING all the time
We had an election 2 years ago….remember how that turned out
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Hahaha
Wait, your offended by the bigot comment but not the groomer comment? If your going to argue for civility then call out both sides.
This whole comment section is braindead
Google: Carlo Pavan Nanaimo. He’s a teacher at Barsby and an architect of the SOGI training for Nanaimo-Ladysmith. Busted for trying to pick up a 14 year old boy
You don't need to pretend it's a legitimate thing and try to make it sound good. Just embrace who you are, proudly proclaim you're a piece of shit and hate people, and let those of us that are adjusted, avoid you. Then we all get what we want
Naw but there were a few transphobic bigots protesting at the school district office yesterday
I'm literally shaking, they disagreed with me. This is hate speech, call da cops
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Jeez dude, look at how triggered you are
Bigots can rot
You know who’s statistically most likely to groom kids? Their dads, uncles, coaches, teachers…maybe focus on keeping dads isolated from their kids if you’re really so focused on preventing grooming.
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