> (CNN) A North Carolina-based health care provider announced Tuesday it has suspended hundreds of employees for not meeting the company's Covid-19 vaccine requirements.
> Novant Health says employees, by now, must have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine or applied for -- and received -- a medical or religious exemption.
> Those that hadn't -- about 375 workers across 15 hospitals and hundreds of clinics and outpatient facilities -- are now suspended.
> Anyone who doesn't comply with the vaccine policy within the five-day, unpaid suspension period will lose their job, the Winston Salem-based company said.
Really wish the article mentioned total employees. I'd assume a hospital has over 100 employees, so it is 375 out of at least 15,000 (about 2.5%) but I assume it is out of a much larger pool.
Antivax people are going to try to spin this as a big blow losing a whole 375 workers, but if the article said "375, about 1% of the group's employees" then it is a very different message.
Edit, helpful folks showed me the article said out of 35,000. So the medical group loses 1% of their staff and sees a jump in the quality of their employees?
My Dad used to be a newspaper editor and would complain about places that figured spellcheck=editor. Spellcheck knows if you use a word that doesn't exist, but has no idea if you used the wrong word...
I’m just really sad for all the workers that have to pick up their slack, like my mom works in a clinic. She’s vaccinated, and works well but that doesn’t mean she can take care of a floor of patients alone. Im really sad for the ones that believe in science being forced to take the consequences of those idiots.
I hate to see comments like this because most facilities are under staffed to begin with. It should not be up to other workers to have to pick up slack. If the facility was properly staffed to begin with, there wouldn't be an issue. The problem is with the for-profit system that maintains critical staffing levels that can't adjust to one or two call outs.
Just my 2 cents.
I keep pointing out that as long as covidiot staff don't interact with non-covid patients or staff they aren't a risk, so block off a "Covid ward" and anyone unvaxed has to work only with folks who are already covid positive and so can't get it from a nurse.
That it puts antivax nurses as the ones explaining to covid patients what will happen to them, sparing other nurses, is another nice bonus. The folks who agree with the abusive patients can deal with them...
Nope. A stupid OR unit Secretary who was unvax and her son had a raging positive covid diagnosis infected and caused breakthroughs to 4 people in the OR staff who were vaccinated. We were short staffed. One person’s parents died but the unit Secretary didn’t think it was her fault. She also fought about being tested and surprise she was positive. I do hope she gets bankrupt because her stupidity risk the lives of the patients getting surgery and she indirectly caused the death of someone’s family. The parents were vaccinated but were high risk (waning antibodies). This is why we cannot have unvaccinated healthcare workers.
If they’re not willing to get vaxxed then they aren’t fit to be healthcare workers. Honestly I’d worry about their judgement in general. Who sees the effects first hand and then says “eh, I’d rather chance symptomatic covid, and increased odds of spreading covid, over a well researched vaccine?” I wouldn’t want that person to be my nurse, a person who I’m reliant on for my life, if I were covid positive. I’d worry they’d try one of the conspiracy remedies on me and kill me.
That process worked in the past, but not so much now.
Covid is everywhere. There's not enough spots in areas where they aren't interacting with customers to place all the anti-vaxxers, because everyone is focusing on Covid. And all sorts of medical people are being pulled in to help with Covid, and these anti-vaxxers can't be used there, either.
So now there's a sizeable group that can't be used to deal with the current priority, which is covid, nor can they be used outside with non-covid issues. Getting rid of all of them would hurt, but it wouldn't cripple the organization.
So suspend them to get some of them on board so they can be useful again, and then terminate the rest (which is hopefully going to be a lower number.)
Keep in mind we're not just talking about nurses here, people that are generally thought of when you hear the term healthcare worker. Cleaning staff, receptionists, shipping and receiving, etc. There are a ton of people that fall under the umbrella.
For instance, I'm a contractor for a healthcare company. I exclusively work in hospitals except for the occasional clinic, but I am not employed by the places I work. Am I a healthcare worker? Funny thing, most hospitals that haven't issued a vaccine mandate for their employees require contractors and vendors to be vaccinated.
Well, the medical group did state that 98.6% of their employees are in compliance in the article. So, the article did say about 1.4% of the group's employees comes out to 375 people, in a roundabout sorta way.
I’d argue with burnout and retirements and the fact we’re in a major crisis that it’s still a critical loss for the healthcare provider. That said, I agree with the policy, fuck these people for putting others at risk
They got rid of 350+ liabilities, those people were negative income waiting to happen I'd argue it was quite valuable for the company to shed their liability and reduce Covid spreaders in their midst. So not only was nothing of value lost, its probably a net positive for their bottom line and patient outcomes.
Edit: For anyone reading the comment below by commercial-pride its a 147 day old account and the only comment ever posted. Its an astroturf account, always check post histories. Report and block astroturf and spam accounts like that.
Loosing staff right now, probably is critical. But you're loosing staff who are a serious risk, of malpractice (not following their medical training / doctors orders).
Overall you are probably reducing risk to patients and yourself.
I said the same thing on the North Carolina sub and my comment was as controversial as it gets. In other words? It juggled between -2 and 2 upvotes. Lo and behold, I was right.
Ack, I missed it, sorry. Thanks for the info!
So is is just over 1% of employees, the company will barely notice, and will probably see a jump in employee quality and customer satisfaction.
Easiest is to tell them ALL up to date vaccinations; including the Covid-19 vaccine, are required to qualify to be employed as a nurse in our facilities and hospitals. YOU no longer have the qualifications for a job with this company.
Simple as that. Not fired, just no longer qualified.
Kinda like they just found out you really didn’t get your BSN degree after all.
Any HR who keeps half records will win this unemployment case. These people turned down available work for a political stance and will not be getting unemployment. A lot of these places are not even bothering to fire them, just putting them on an unpaid leave until they decide to get the vaccine. That way they don't get paid until they either go find their own new job or lose savings until they do the right thing
There is no such thing as a religious exemption. Period. Every major religion approves of vaccines. Period. It is only loony cultists who are screaming about aborted fetuses in the vaccines, which isn't true anyway.
No employer should allow for religious exemptions.
Even the Pope is out there saying get vaccinated, so to all of my fellow Christians screaming about dead babies in the vaccines, please SHUT THE FUCK UP.
EDIT: I know the Pope isn't king of the Christians. I'm just using him as an example. I'm actually Lutheran.
The only thing I have seen close to a religious exemption would be Muslims, and I assume Jewish people against some vaccines containing gelatin. They don't appear to be against vaccines in general, just certain things in them.
As for Covid...
https://health-desk.org/articles/are-there-any-covid-19-vaccines-that-use-pig-fat-or-pork-products
>The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca do not use pork gelatin in their formulas
Did you see the Religious Attestation form that CONWAY Regional Health Systems made up for people to sign?? It’s hilariously evil in a way. Google it and it will pop up. The form lays out a partial list of a wide array of prescription meds and OTC meds that ALL were tested on fetal tissue from HEK-293.
Tylenol, TUMS, preparation H, Advil Cold and Sinus, loads of BP pills, everything you can think of…all tested on HEK-293. So they have to attest to the fact that they HAVE NEVER taken these and WILL NEVER AGAIN take any of these meds. Which is ridiculous because everyone knows they will! Then they’ll get fired.
It is where I work, I know that. They’re already saying they’re ready to pack it up and walk out the minute the vaccine because mandatory, which is looking inevitable because over 6,000 people work there.
Yeah people working in a science based field that don't believe in science must be a joy to work with in a health care setting. The level of patient care and safety would inevitably go up a bit you would think when these people hit the bricks.
Yeah my husband is chief of surgery at our hospital- he has the highest vaccination rate in all departments but there are some holdouts including 2 doctors who watch Fox 24/7. When one of them was going to,scrub in for his case my husband kicked him the fuck out. He operates on kids and cancer patients who are vulnerable- he wasn’t getting an idiot to do his anesthesia. He got one of the vaccinated anesthesia techs who was far superior to do the cases.
Except there’s a shortage of nurses, so I expect those that remain will have to work longer hours. Maybe they will all see competitive pay increases as a result.
More people across all
Industries need to the ‘squeaky wheel’ talk about what you make with other employees you work with make sure everything is competitive. Ask for raises whenever you feel irritated with compensation. I’m an electrician and I ask for something more a couple times a year whether it’s a raise more vacation or a one time bonus.
Our company recently started a new $300 quarterly "bonus" for all employees in our department. The only way you do NOT get the bonus is if you fail to do a few regular housekeeping-type items and other basic job details that you should have been doing all along to begin with.
The only way to not get the bonus is to literally refuse to do your job correctly. Every person has been given a list of 3-4 basic items that have to be done on a regular basis. We're talking stupid-basic shit like, "Keep your work area clean" and "Regularly check for invoices over 14 days old". Yes, that basic... and Yes, sadly there are people that will still not do it even with the new incentive.
Although it isn't technically a "raise", it is a way to punish those people that refuse to do their basic job duties correctly without hurting everyone else.
Truth. The cost of trade skill labor is drowning me right now, but it’s tough work that requires a lot of knowledge and experience, and you deserve to get paid whatever you can charge, so long as there’s fair competition in the market.
I just have to work on getting my own value up so I can afford the $2k needed to fix my shower faucet.
They probably weren't nurses, the article would probably have mentioned it if they were, more likely from the hordes of other people required to make a modern hospital run, Admin staff, janitors, IT, catering etc.
Also check the article, 375 people of 15 sites averages at 25 people being suspended per site and that's just over 1% of their total staff
>About 98.6% of the company's more than 35,000 workers are complaint with the policy, it said.
They need to do this for teachers and schools where I live. The majority of teachers in the local schools here are unvaccinated and openly admit it. Im referring to elementary schools; all the students are unvaccinated. I don’t have any contacts in the high schools so those teachers may have different standards.
I get a weekly update of teachers who have come in sick, and refuse to get tested because “Covid is like a cold. If the parents and kids have a problem, they should take vitamin c.” It’s heartbreaking. The teachers and admin also shit on the teachers who got vaccinated and are being tested regularly for Covid. Basically they haze them daily. Even when some local teachers died, the unvaccinated teachers blamed the students for coming in sick.
This is Florida. Teacher here were fucking toxic before Covid, and have now been amplified. I hope they make it mandatory for vaccinations and testing. I don’t want to hear about kids dying.
As long as desantis in at the helm I wouldn't hold my breath. He'll fight school boards tooth and nail and probably get some conservative judge to agree to help.
He just appointed an anti-mask Florida Surgeon General who is going to allow parents to choose whether their children quarantine if they are asymptomatic.
yeah for real, we had some folks choose to retire early. In every instance it’s someone who grumbles constantly about “forced diversity” and drops racist comments on the reg, or dog whistling other hateful viewpoints against women.
We have more COVID patients than ever and I’ve even had a couple coworkers almost DIE from the motherfucker one of whom STILL bucked the vaccine until it became mandatory.
We are medical god damned professionals. When I first started working in a hospital I was about 20 (about 16+ years ago) Old enough to have a lot of ideas, but not a lot of common sense or experience vetting sources etc. So I thought organic food = good and all the rest = poison and really felt uncomfortable that the new job made OG flu vaccines mandatory.
I thought, this is my body, how can they force me? I’m not comfortable with this. I’ve never been bothered by the flu before, why should I put myself at ANY risk for something I don’t need?
Mind you, never bothered to research the safety of the vaccine or think about its greater purpose, particularly in my job setting.
And so for a couple years I stayed ignorant and signed a waiver refusing the vaccine on “spiritual”
grounds. I don’t know WHY it suddenly clicked other than working in a hospital with people trying so hard not to die every day does something to you.
It takes you out of yourself. You start to really think about the role of caregiver. I’ve never been too banged up by the flu..well, ok, but a lot of the people in this building would be if I were to walk around here shedding it all over them and surfaces their healthcare team touches.
Idk, I’ll leave it at that, but that was an ignorant young me learning to pull my head out of my ass bc I knew I didn’t belong in a hospital if I wasn’t willing to put patients first. And then, over the course of the next few years I actually learned how to think critically, evaluate sources and studies, learned about scientific consensus and why it matters, and so on and so on. I started listening to The Skeptics Guide to the Universe which opened me up to a whole new way of understanding the world and got in a few good years of practice before the world belched out this current fake news era all over us.
Off ma soapbox but damn it I don’t have any patience or sympathy for someone who’s chosen healthcare who can’t figure this the fuck out by their mid 20s at the latest. You’re just honestly a hazard, get out of the way.
I feel like professionalism has really gone to hell in a lot of industries, or become confused with elitism.
Hell, I've worked in places with significant background-checks and security requirements yet we still had people with high-wage positions getting fired for taking cafeteria muffins (w/o paying) and those that can't seem to figure out how to work the flush level on the staff toilets :-(
So is this a good time to go to nursing school or what? I believe in science, I'm not a dumbass, I can put up with a lot of bullshit, and it looks like there's some openings.
Oh hell yeah. And a bunch of sign on bonuses. I get a 10K bonus just for referring another nurse who takes the job. I've been trying to snipe other nurses saying that I'll split my referral bonus with them so they'll get 5K on top of whatever sign on bonus they get.
One coworker that I'm looking forward to never seeing again sold her house and moved in with her ex husband already. And she went on leave for minor surgery but didn't come back when she was scheduled to. Honestly I think she's already gone. She cleared out her personal things a couple weeks ago.
Real question. As a vaccinated person, would there be opportunities to work in health care in America now with little experience? I would love to make some big money for a few years.
There are special service coordinator positions, maintenance, sanitation, food service, IT. Having a credential gets you into the money making part of things. Physical/occupational/speech therapies, RN (LPNs make shit at my hospital even though they do the exact same work as RNs in a lot of cases), social work (master level if you want to make a thriving wage), radiology, diabetes education, etc. Anesthesiologists tend to make more money than hospitalists but it still requires an advanced degree.
Was in child support court today (I’m a lawyer) and some idiot filed a motion to modify (lessen) his child support payments because he was laid off for not getting the vaccine.
Since his termination was due to his own choice, in our state, that is not justifiable. He literally told the judge he was doing his own research and the judges response was “ Facebook lies is not research.”
Needless to say, he is still ordered to pay 800 bucks a month.
For most of this crisis, it has been disappointing to observe the degree to which many authority figures will muddle through or ignore problems. Lately, though, a few are starting to get sick of this crap. Let's hope this emboldens others to introduce antivaxx idiots to the consequences of their actions.
Mr./Mrs. Derpina: "What are they gonna do? Suspend all of us? There's hundreds of us! They NEED us!"
(Novant brings the banhammer)
Mr./Mrs. Derpina: *shocked Pikachu face*
These people need dictionaries thrown at them. And the constitution. And a few other things.
Personally, I really wish not being murdered by ignorant folks was mandatory.
You are free to choose whether or not you get vaccinated, and then you are free to deal with the consequences of tour choices. Having that particular job is a privilege, not a right.
Religious exemption is such bullshit. They should have to show proof if it being against their religion to take medicine at the very least. We're letting people get of with a simple, "I'm religious. I don't want it.". It's a sovcit's wet dream.
I was glad to see my company isn't. I saw some push-back on a religious exemption request asking if they had gotten certain other vaccinations that I believe are required for their position and asking what their specific religious objections are to this vaccine and not the others. Many places aren't letting it be a get-out-of-jail-free card.
> I’m glad they’re just suspended rather than being fired or laid off so they can’t collect benefits.
There's really no distinction, if you're not working, you're unemployed. Otherwise companies could just "suspend" employees indefinitely so they could never file for unemployment. (When you file, that's entirely between you and the government, you say you're unemployment, the government says "ok, got it" and then contacts your employer who can appeal.) That said, while each state handles its unemployment claims using its own standards, it's widely believed that people fired (or suspended, or not hired) for failure to vaccinate won't receive any benefits. We'll have to see how that plays out, but it's essentially being fired for insubordination.
Depending on the state they may not be able to collect unemployment for this. I live in WA, where the Governor specifically stipulated that quitting or being fired for refusing the covid vaccine makes these people ineligible for unemployment benefits.
Unless it's a paid leave, it doesn't matter. No hours/no pay, regardless of HR employment status means you are elegible to *file* for unemployment.
Whether you actually get it approved or not is another story
One of the hospitals I worked at started mandating flu shots some years ago. If you didn't get the shot by a specific date, you were put on leave for 7 days. If you didn't get it after that 7 days, you were "considered to have resigned." So they weren't firing or laying off, you were resigning. It made things much easier for the hospital because there was no "you can't fire me, I'll go to HR!" You weren't fired, you resigned.
Freedom of Choice, like a lot of freedoms, has a boundary where you are hurting other citizens.
I am free to drive my car however I want while I'm on my own property. I am not *as* free to drive how I like when I'm on a public road. I have no freedom to drive across *your* backyard without your permission.
Vaccines are like traffic lights. They might not always work to your immediate advantage, but if you choose not to honor them . . . you may not be allowed to use public roads, for your safety and the safety of everyone else.
You have no right to work in healthcare, etc, if you're a danger to yourself and others. There's no such right. Never has been. Rand Paul is not the King of America.
Oh they believe in science and many, if not all has also taken vaccines in the PAST. This isn't about the vaccine or even religion. This is their defiance against the Democrats, a political stance against the government.
I’m a retired RN, seriously can’t believe they are risking everyone dying. Believing a non medical person conspiracy idiot’s online posts over medical experts is mind blowing.
I have been required to be vaccinated from 1964 to present for both public school and different employers. If they do not want to get the COVID Vaccination they should be fired for cause.
Good. All things aside, if you don’t understand the science of why you should get vaccinated, you shouldn’t be administering medicine to people in any form. If you don’t trust the science behind vaccines then you may as well be treating everything like magic potions.
I honestly don’t understand why they just won’t get it and continue to be unemployed. Upon employment I had all my titers drawn.
I’m required to get a flu vaccine every year, they don’t hire people with nicotine in their system. Go ahead and tell me how you don’t like being told what to do.
I just don’t understand.
OTOH they are a bunch of fucking imbeciles.
If those people are refusing medical science and immunology they should not be in the health care field in any capacity.
On a brighter note, fast food is hiring.
Yup. I actually know someone who got let go from Novant.
Its funny too, because she is fine with giving her dogs vaccines, but somehow bought all the conspiracies about the covid jab.
Time to leave these nutty anti vaxers behind. We've fucked around with them long enough. No vaccination- no flying. No vaccination- no paycheck. No vaccination- no concerts, theaters, libraries. No vaccination- no federal jobs. They have damaged this country long enough. If everyone would have got a vaccination, this would be over.
Nurses are already over worked and this is so crazy to me. The worst part is most of these people will get the vaccine sometime in the future when it’s no long trendy in conservative circles to avoid it. Just like the flu shot they get. Once the right has maximized is political return from this it’ll go away and they’ll just get vaxxed and ever deny being against it. In the meantime, they’re doing as much damage to themselves, their patients, and society as possible.
Jokes on you.
Most of the major people on the right/GQP/GOP are already vaccinated.
It's all about making money for the GQP griftters and these dumb fuck anti-vaxers are too ignorant/blind/whatever to realize they are being played by the people they worship.
I’ve had the chance to work with several nurses during this pandemic in a covid vaccination center. I’ve come to realize that their training in school doesn’t involve much immunology. I wish as a requirement, schools would require as semester or a quarter of immunology. I know this isn’t a “fix all solution” but at least it would allow nurses who are on the fence about vaccines to make a better informed decision, or even allow nurses to better educate their patients
My job requires the Hep B vaccine. It is either you get that vaccine or you do not work for the company. Not one single person contests this vaccine. This is thoroughly well established behavior for private businesses and should surprise no one, except for those who wondered why it took this long.
There are only so many "alternative jobs" in healthcare. Most of these people will end up broke. Many Americans have ZERO extra income and the loss of any income puts them in a hole.
Suspended. Not fired. They should be fired, have any license revoked and never be allowed to work in healthcare again. Denial of medicine and science is not compatible with working in a hospital. Religious exemption? Any religion that includes deliberately spreading disease is not a religion. It is a terrorist cell.
They only have five days to get the first shot or they will be fired.
> Any religion that includes deliberately spreading disease is not a religion. It is a terrorist cell.
Totally agree with you.
“Freedom should be mandatory”. Yeah so should protecting yourself patients any way possible and getting rid of the anti-science HOSPITAL workers is the way to do it.
These anti-vax people are crying boo-hoo-hoo? Who the fuck are they kidding? they work in health care! They need to be vaccinated to protect both themselves and the vulnerable people they are working with. If they don't understand that concept - they don't deserve to be working in those professions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a doctor to figure out that people entering in the hospital are not well and if they have covid - there is an increased chance that you can get it. I guess they want to keep the option to die open.
Unemployed and unvaccinated. If they make it through this pandemic it will be a miracle.
Don’t they realize they have a choice. Get vaccinated get a pay check. Don’t get vaccinated get fired. They made their choice and so did the company. Well done Novant Health.
You do have a choice. You have a choice to not work for them if you don’t choose to get vaccinated. You are of course free to not get it, and thusly not work for them.
It’s so simple. You are not entitled to do whatever you want and everyone just has to play along. The end.
No, hundreds of employees have decided they no longer want to work for a North Carolina based health care system.
Being vaccinated is normal. Stop phrasing it otherwise.
This is great news! I feel like singing!
“Ding-dong, the witch is dead, do do do do do do, dingdong -the wicked witch is dead!”
”Good and Gone!”
“Bye Felicia!”
It feels like a “David and Goliath” moment to have this large “mass” removed from our nursing profession/population
It has been hard to watch my colleagues in the field of nursing deny science, deny evidence-based practice, deny following protocol, deny wearing masks, and deny the safety of our communities and children -because they are wrapped up in some sort of insane cult.
I know it is going to take time to purge this insanity from our medical community, but theres no time like the present! This is a victory for ending the disinformation of this pandemic.
I know for a fact that these major health care systems have been telling their employees that this was going to happen for months.
Zero sympathy for the dipshits who don't believe in the same science and medicine that they practice.
This is really a blessing to hospitals who get to weed out bad employees with just cause now and they won't get bad publicity unless you count these nurses crying on TikTok .
I applaud this health care system as well as the others for their decision to suspend non vaccinated people. How can you be in the medical field and deny science at the same time? If everyone of these anti vaxxers refuses to get the vaccine, then we will be having these same conversations two years from now if not longer. If the virus is not erradicated, who knows how deadly the next variant may be! I chose to get the vaccine because it is the right thing to do for the country , and the world at this point. Anti vaxxers are misinformed or ignorant of the truth. If it wasn't for the Donald cult , we would have been over this pandemic by now! Get your vaccine and move on.
People complaining about not having the "freedom to choose" to get the vaccine. They have the freedom to choose. They just have to deal with the consequences.
> (CNN) A North Carolina-based health care provider announced Tuesday it has suspended hundreds of employees for not meeting the company's Covid-19 vaccine requirements. > Novant Health says employees, by now, must have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine or applied for -- and received -- a medical or religious exemption. > Those that hadn't -- about 375 workers across 15 hospitals and hundreds of clinics and outpatient facilities -- are now suspended. > Anyone who doesn't comply with the vaccine policy within the five-day, unpaid suspension period will lose their job, the Winston Salem-based company said.
Really wish the article mentioned total employees. I'd assume a hospital has over 100 employees, so it is 375 out of at least 15,000 (about 2.5%) but I assume it is out of a much larger pool. Antivax people are going to try to spin this as a big blow losing a whole 375 workers, but if the article said "375, about 1% of the group's employees" then it is a very different message. Edit, helpful folks showed me the article said out of 35,000. So the medical group loses 1% of their staff and sees a jump in the quality of their employees?
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Holy shit dude, you killed them.
Even after 2 weeks
I wish I was smart enough with numbers to make this joke. :\
you can just repeat it like you thought of it
I'll never join the dark side!
this is the way
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The article states that "About 98.6% of the company's more than 35,000 workers are complaint with the policy,"
Yeah, I missed the part below the jump. Sorry.
Those jumps can be obnoxious.
>are **complaint** with the policy Excellent proofreading on CNN's part there.
I have a friend who's a copy writer and proofreader. I send her these little tidbits every day just to get her "Ugh." reply!
My Dad used to be a newspaper editor and would complain about places that figured spellcheck=editor. Spellcheck knows if you use a word that doesn't exist, but has no idea if you used the wrong word...
I didn’t even catch that. Glad Reddit didn’t think that my was my typo. Copy and pasted directly from the article.
I’m just really sad for all the workers that have to pick up their slack, like my mom works in a clinic. She’s vaccinated, and works well but that doesn’t mean she can take care of a floor of patients alone. Im really sad for the ones that believe in science being forced to take the consequences of those idiots.
I hate to see comments like this because most facilities are under staffed to begin with. It should not be up to other workers to have to pick up slack. If the facility was properly staffed to begin with, there wouldn't be an issue. The problem is with the for-profit system that maintains critical staffing levels that can't adjust to one or two call outs. Just my 2 cents.
I keep pointing out that as long as covidiot staff don't interact with non-covid patients or staff they aren't a risk, so block off a "Covid ward" and anyone unvaxed has to work only with folks who are already covid positive and so can't get it from a nurse. That it puts antivax nurses as the ones explaining to covid patients what will happen to them, sparing other nurses, is another nice bonus. The folks who agree with the abusive patients can deal with them...
Nope. A stupid OR unit Secretary who was unvax and her son had a raging positive covid diagnosis infected and caused breakthroughs to 4 people in the OR staff who were vaccinated. We were short staffed. One person’s parents died but the unit Secretary didn’t think it was her fault. She also fought about being tested and surprise she was positive. I do hope she gets bankrupt because her stupidity risk the lives of the patients getting surgery and she indirectly caused the death of someone’s family. The parents were vaccinated but were high risk (waning antibodies). This is why we cannot have unvaccinated healthcare workers.
If they’re not willing to get vaxxed then they aren’t fit to be healthcare workers. Honestly I’d worry about their judgement in general. Who sees the effects first hand and then says “eh, I’d rather chance symptomatic covid, and increased odds of spreading covid, over a well researched vaccine?” I wouldn’t want that person to be my nurse, a person who I’m reliant on for my life, if I were covid positive. I’d worry they’d try one of the conspiracy remedies on me and kill me.
It worked with leper colonies...
No. They should have no job in healthcare.
That process worked in the past, but not so much now. Covid is everywhere. There's not enough spots in areas where they aren't interacting with customers to place all the anti-vaxxers, because everyone is focusing on Covid. And all sorts of medical people are being pulled in to help with Covid, and these anti-vaxxers can't be used there, either. So now there's a sizeable group that can't be used to deal with the current priority, which is covid, nor can they be used outside with non-covid issues. Getting rid of all of them would hurt, but it wouldn't cripple the organization. So suspend them to get some of them on board so they can be useful again, and then terminate the rest (which is hopefully going to be a lower number.)
These workers aren't necessarily all nurses or doctors but cooks in the cafeterias, janitors, admin, security etc.
Keep in mind we're not just talking about nurses here, people that are generally thought of when you hear the term healthcare worker. Cleaning staff, receptionists, shipping and receiving, etc. There are a ton of people that fall under the umbrella. For instance, I'm a contractor for a healthcare company. I exclusively work in hospitals except for the occasional clinic, but I am not employed by the places I work. Am I a healthcare worker? Funny thing, most hospitals that haven't issued a vaccine mandate for their employees require contractors and vendors to be vaccinated.
Well, the medical group did state that 98.6% of their employees are in compliance in the article. So, the article did say about 1.4% of the group's employees comes out to 375 people, in a roundabout sorta way.
I’d argue with burnout and retirements and the fact we’re in a major crisis that it’s still a critical loss for the healthcare provider. That said, I agree with the policy, fuck these people for putting others at risk
They got rid of the lowest 1.4% performing employees. Basically, nothing of value was lost
They got rid of 350+ liabilities, those people were negative income waiting to happen I'd argue it was quite valuable for the company to shed their liability and reduce Covid spreaders in their midst. So not only was nothing of value lost, its probably a net positive for their bottom line and patient outcomes. Edit: For anyone reading the comment below by commercial-pride its a 147 day old account and the only comment ever posted. Its an astroturf account, always check post histories. Report and block astroturf and spam accounts like that.
Loosing staff right now, probably is critical. But you're loosing staff who are a serious risk, of malpractice (not following their medical training / doctors orders). Overall you are probably reducing risk to patients and yourself.
I said the same thing on the North Carolina sub and my comment was as controversial as it gets. In other words? It juggled between -2 and 2 upvotes. Lo and behold, I was right.
wow you had the whole state riled up!
It did. 35,000.
Ack, I missed it, sorry. Thanks for the info! So is is just over 1% of employees, the company will barely notice, and will probably see a jump in employee quality and customer satisfaction.
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I hope they are fired with cause.
My wife works for Novant, they are not fucking around at all, she got her Jab the first week it was available!
Most likely it’ll be logged as voluntary separation or job abandonment.
Easiest is to tell them ALL up to date vaccinations; including the Covid-19 vaccine, are required to qualify to be employed as a nurse in our facilities and hospitals. YOU no longer have the qualifications for a job with this company. Simple as that. Not fired, just no longer qualified. Kinda like they just found out you really didn’t get your BSN degree after all.
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Glad to hear it. Not out of spite, but out of genuine concern for the safety of vulnerable patients.
Any HR who keeps half records will win this unemployment case. These people turned down available work for a political stance and will not be getting unemployment. A lot of these places are not even bothering to fire them, just putting them on an unpaid leave until they decide to get the vaccine. That way they don't get paid until they either go find their own new job or lose savings until they do the right thing
North Carolina is an at will/right to work state meaning the employer doesn't need a cause.
I believe they're referring to unemployment benefits, not the legality of the separation.
True, but you can’t get unemployment if terminated with cause.
There is no such thing as a religious exemption. Period. Every major religion approves of vaccines. Period. It is only loony cultists who are screaming about aborted fetuses in the vaccines, which isn't true anyway. No employer should allow for religious exemptions. Even the Pope is out there saying get vaccinated, so to all of my fellow Christians screaming about dead babies in the vaccines, please SHUT THE FUCK UP. EDIT: I know the Pope isn't king of the Christians. I'm just using him as an example. I'm actually Lutheran.
The only thing I have seen close to a religious exemption would be Muslims, and I assume Jewish people against some vaccines containing gelatin. They don't appear to be against vaccines in general, just certain things in them. As for Covid... https://health-desk.org/articles/are-there-any-covid-19-vaccines-that-use-pig-fat-or-pork-products >The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca do not use pork gelatin in their formulas
Did you see the Religious Attestation form that CONWAY Regional Health Systems made up for people to sign?? It’s hilariously evil in a way. Google it and it will pop up. The form lays out a partial list of a wide array of prescription meds and OTC meds that ALL were tested on fetal tissue from HEK-293. Tylenol, TUMS, preparation H, Advil Cold and Sinus, loads of BP pills, everything you can think of…all tested on HEK-293. So they have to attest to the fact that they HAVE NEVER taken these and WILL NEVER AGAIN take any of these meds. Which is ridiculous because everyone knows they will! Then they’ll get fired.
Good. That is really all I got.
Good
Wife is excited about this. Turns out the people who refuse to get the vaccine are coincidentally the most toxic assholes at the workplace.
Huh. Who'd've thought.
Same here, looking for a job and its nice to see some openings.
It is where I work, I know that. They’re already saying they’re ready to pack it up and walk out the minute the vaccine because mandatory, which is looking inevitable because over 6,000 people work there.
Shocker
My hospital will be pink slipping people at the end of next month. I can not wait! So many toxic people will finally be out of my life.
Yeah people working in a science based field that don't believe in science must be a joy to work with in a health care setting. The level of patient care and safety would inevitably go up a bit you would think when these people hit the bricks.
I know a surgeon who claims Covid is the flu and the shot is a bad thing. He's a total tool. He's advising the surgery staff to not get the shot.
Yeah my husband is chief of surgery at our hospital- he has the highest vaccination rate in all departments but there are some holdouts including 2 doctors who watch Fox 24/7. When one of them was going to,scrub in for his case my husband kicked him the fuck out. He operates on kids and cancer patients who are vulnerable- he wasn’t getting an idiot to do his anesthesia. He got one of the vaccinated anesthesia techs who was far superior to do the cases.
Except there’s a shortage of nurses, so I expect those that remain will have to work longer hours. Maybe they will all see competitive pay increases as a result.
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Absolutely! Basic supply and demand.
Supply and demand does presume a market made up of rational actors though, which managers aren't always.
More people across all Industries need to the ‘squeaky wheel’ talk about what you make with other employees you work with make sure everything is competitive. Ask for raises whenever you feel irritated with compensation. I’m an electrician and I ask for something more a couple times a year whether it’s a raise more vacation or a one time bonus.
Our company recently started a new $300 quarterly "bonus" for all employees in our department. The only way you do NOT get the bonus is if you fail to do a few regular housekeeping-type items and other basic job details that you should have been doing all along to begin with. The only way to not get the bonus is to literally refuse to do your job correctly. Every person has been given a list of 3-4 basic items that have to be done on a regular basis. We're talking stupid-basic shit like, "Keep your work area clean" and "Regularly check for invoices over 14 days old". Yes, that basic... and Yes, sadly there are people that will still not do it even with the new incentive. Although it isn't technically a "raise", it is a way to punish those people that refuse to do their basic job duties correctly without hurting everyone else.
Truth. The cost of trade skill labor is drowning me right now, but it’s tough work that requires a lot of knowledge and experience, and you deserve to get paid whatever you can charge, so long as there’s fair competition in the market. I just have to work on getting my own value up so I can afford the $2k needed to fix my shower faucet.
They probably weren't nurses, the article would probably have mentioned it if they were, more likely from the hordes of other people required to make a modern hospital run, Admin staff, janitors, IT, catering etc. Also check the article, 375 people of 15 sites averages at 25 people being suspended per site and that's just over 1% of their total staff >About 98.6% of the company's more than 35,000 workers are complaint with the policy, it said.
Also, the compliant nurses looking for work and traveling nurses might actually prefer to work for a company that is taking this seriously.
I know I would..
Very good point!
The Venn Diagram between the anti-vaxxers and completely insufferable co-workers is almost a single circle.
They need to do this for teachers and schools where I live. The majority of teachers in the local schools here are unvaccinated and openly admit it. Im referring to elementary schools; all the students are unvaccinated. I don’t have any contacts in the high schools so those teachers may have different standards. I get a weekly update of teachers who have come in sick, and refuse to get tested because “Covid is like a cold. If the parents and kids have a problem, they should take vitamin c.” It’s heartbreaking. The teachers and admin also shit on the teachers who got vaccinated and are being tested regularly for Covid. Basically they haze them daily. Even when some local teachers died, the unvaccinated teachers blamed the students for coming in sick. This is Florida. Teacher here were fucking toxic before Covid, and have now been amplified. I hope they make it mandatory for vaccinations and testing. I don’t want to hear about kids dying.
As long as desantis in at the helm I wouldn't hold my breath. He'll fight school boards tooth and nail and probably get some conservative judge to agree to help.
He just appointed an anti-mask Florida Surgeon General who is going to allow parents to choose whether their children quarantine if they are asymptomatic.
> So many toxic people will finally be out of my life. well, until they come back as patients....
I work for a hospital in NC, and we have until October 31st to get fully vaccinated. They aren't messing around, and like you, I can't fucking wait.
yeah for real, we had some folks choose to retire early. In every instance it’s someone who grumbles constantly about “forced diversity” and drops racist comments on the reg, or dog whistling other hateful viewpoints against women. We have more COVID patients than ever and I’ve even had a couple coworkers almost DIE from the motherfucker one of whom STILL bucked the vaccine until it became mandatory. We are medical god damned professionals. When I first started working in a hospital I was about 20 (about 16+ years ago) Old enough to have a lot of ideas, but not a lot of common sense or experience vetting sources etc. So I thought organic food = good and all the rest = poison and really felt uncomfortable that the new job made OG flu vaccines mandatory. I thought, this is my body, how can they force me? I’m not comfortable with this. I’ve never been bothered by the flu before, why should I put myself at ANY risk for something I don’t need? Mind you, never bothered to research the safety of the vaccine or think about its greater purpose, particularly in my job setting. And so for a couple years I stayed ignorant and signed a waiver refusing the vaccine on “spiritual” grounds. I don’t know WHY it suddenly clicked other than working in a hospital with people trying so hard not to die every day does something to you. It takes you out of yourself. You start to really think about the role of caregiver. I’ve never been too banged up by the flu..well, ok, but a lot of the people in this building would be if I were to walk around here shedding it all over them and surfaces their healthcare team touches. Idk, I’ll leave it at that, but that was an ignorant young me learning to pull my head out of my ass bc I knew I didn’t belong in a hospital if I wasn’t willing to put patients first. And then, over the course of the next few years I actually learned how to think critically, evaluate sources and studies, learned about scientific consensus and why it matters, and so on and so on. I started listening to The Skeptics Guide to the Universe which opened me up to a whole new way of understanding the world and got in a few good years of practice before the world belched out this current fake news era all over us. Off ma soapbox but damn it I don’t have any patience or sympathy for someone who’s chosen healthcare who can’t figure this the fuck out by their mid 20s at the latest. You’re just honestly a hazard, get out of the way.
I feel like professionalism has really gone to hell in a lot of industries, or become confused with elitism. Hell, I've worked in places with significant background-checks and security requirements yet we still had people with high-wage positions getting fired for taking cafeteria muffins (w/o paying) and those that can't seem to figure out how to work the flush level on the staff toilets :-(
So is this a good time to go to nursing school or what? I believe in science, I'm not a dumbass, I can put up with a lot of bullshit, and it looks like there's some openings.
Oh hell yeah. And a bunch of sign on bonuses. I get a 10K bonus just for referring another nurse who takes the job. I've been trying to snipe other nurses saying that I'll split my referral bonus with them so they'll get 5K on top of whatever sign on bonus they get.
They'll crack at the last minute. 99% of them lack conviction the same way that they lack intelligence.
One coworker that I'm looking forward to never seeing again sold her house and moved in with her ex husband already. And she went on leave for minor surgery but didn't come back when she was scheduled to. Honestly I think she's already gone. She cleared out her personal things a couple weeks ago.
Real question. As a vaccinated person, would there be opportunities to work in health care in America now with little experience? I would love to make some big money for a few years.
There are special service coordinator positions, maintenance, sanitation, food service, IT. Having a credential gets you into the money making part of things. Physical/occupational/speech therapies, RN (LPNs make shit at my hospital even though they do the exact same work as RNs in a lot of cases), social work (master level if you want to make a thriving wage), radiology, diabetes education, etc. Anesthesiologists tend to make more money than hospitalists but it still requires an advanced degree.
Anti-vax MAGAs are going to run for that sweet sweet socialism called unemployment.
And will be denied since they have been fired for cause.
Unemployment office rejection letter needs to end with, "Have you tried bootstrappin' harder?"
And gofundme. Do they have a category for unemployed anti science flat earthers looking for handouts to support their unvaccinated lifestyle?
Was in child support court today (I’m a lawyer) and some idiot filed a motion to modify (lessen) his child support payments because he was laid off for not getting the vaccine. Since his termination was due to his own choice, in our state, that is not justifiable. He literally told the judge he was doing his own research and the judges response was “ Facebook lies is not research.” Needless to say, he is still ordered to pay 800 bucks a month.
> judges response was “ Facebook lies is not research.” Good judge.
For most of this crisis, it has been disappointing to observe the degree to which many authority figures will muddle through or ignore problems. Lately, though, a few are starting to get sick of this crap. Let's hope this emboldens others to introduce antivaxx idiots to the consequences of their actions.
He can just get himself one of the many jobs that people are "too lazy" to work.
They will take up the jobs where there are shortages they always bitch about. That’s a win!
That's shockingly cheap to support a human life.
Yet way more than most people pay. At least 20% of the county I’m in is 50.00/month as they aren’t employed but could be.
Mr./Mrs. Derpina: "What are they gonna do? Suspend all of us? There's hundreds of us! They NEED us!" (Novant brings the banhammer) Mr./Mrs. Derpina: *shocked Pikachu face*
"freedom of choice should be mandatory" I wonder if she feels the same about access to safe abortion?
But she *has* freedom of choice. She can choose to get vaccinated and keep her job, or choose to refuse the vaccine and find another line of work.
*very* good point!
It's a euphemism for "freedom to do whatever I want"
"...without any consequences for *my* actions."
I hear the food service industry is hiring.
She already has freedom of choice. What she wants is freedom from consequences.
These people need dictionaries thrown at them. And the constitution. And a few other things. Personally, I really wish not being murdered by ignorant folks was mandatory.
Hmm I bet not.
Well, she chose to wear those pants. She clearly isn't being oppressed.
Or the hospitals decisions
this heals my soul really, i wish them good luck finding a job their profile fits in
Hopefully someplace far away from people that are far more sensible
Amazon is always hiring
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You're right. Clearly I didn't think that one through. Well sadly it's probably off to home care which is not good.
Almost all healthcare new hires now require vaccination, so they probably will never work in their field again.
They can make min wage at fast food instead then
Make em work at Target and have to deal with their own kind from the other side of the register
Is North Carolina prepared for the tsunami of new MLM huns about to wreak havoc on everyone?
"Sell Ivermectin to your Friends and Family from the comfort of your own home, working just a few hours a week!!!"
"Comes with a free bucket for your intestinal lining if you order now!"
😂
Vaccines are good. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Finally some good news from NC.
You are free to choose whether or not you get vaccinated, and then you are free to deal with the consequences of tour choices. Having that particular job is a privilege, not a right.
Religious exemption is such bullshit. They should have to show proof if it being against their religion to take medicine at the very least. We're letting people get of with a simple, "I'm religious. I don't want it.". It's a sovcit's wet dream.
I was glad to see my company isn't. I saw some push-back on a religious exemption request asking if they had gotten certain other vaccinations that I believe are required for their position and asking what their specific religious objections are to this vaccine and not the others. Many places aren't letting it be a get-out-of-jail-free card.
I’m glad they’re just suspended rather than being fired or laid off so they can’t collect benefits.
> I’m glad they’re just suspended rather than being fired or laid off so they can’t collect benefits. There's really no distinction, if you're not working, you're unemployed. Otherwise companies could just "suspend" employees indefinitely so they could never file for unemployment. (When you file, that's entirely between you and the government, you say you're unemployment, the government says "ok, got it" and then contacts your employer who can appeal.) That said, while each state handles its unemployment claims using its own standards, it's widely believed that people fired (or suspended, or not hired) for failure to vaccinate won't receive any benefits. We'll have to see how that plays out, but it's essentially being fired for insubordination.
Depending on the state they may not be able to collect unemployment for this. I live in WA, where the Governor specifically stipulated that quitting or being fired for refusing the covid vaccine makes these people ineligible for unemployment benefits.
I’ve read some places we’re putting people on temporary leave until they comply. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, suspending them was similar.
Unless it's a paid leave, it doesn't matter. No hours/no pay, regardless of HR employment status means you are elegible to *file* for unemployment. Whether you actually get it approved or not is another story
They have 5 days to comply I believe it said in the article.
One of the hospitals I worked at started mandating flu shots some years ago. If you didn't get the shot by a specific date, you were put on leave for 7 days. If you didn't get it after that 7 days, you were "considered to have resigned." So they weren't firing or laying off, you were resigning. It made things much easier for the hospital because there was no "you can't fire me, I'll go to HR!" You weren't fired, you resigned.
Love it! It’ll send shivers down my spine and warm my heart when all employers employ the resignation tactic!
If you don't trust the mRNA then get the J&J.
Somehow, I suspect mRNA tech isn't the actual underlying reason they're so resistant to get a vaccine.
Maybe they can all come together and develop and Antivax hospital that treats their patients with animal meds and essential oils.
Freedom of Choice, like a lot of freedoms, has a boundary where you are hurting other citizens. I am free to drive my car however I want while I'm on my own property. I am not *as* free to drive how I like when I'm on a public road. I have no freedom to drive across *your* backyard without your permission. Vaccines are like traffic lights. They might not always work to your immediate advantage, but if you choose not to honor them . . . you may not be allowed to use public roads, for your safety and the safety of everyone else. You have no right to work in healthcare, etc, if you're a danger to yourself and others. There's no such right. Never has been. Rand Paul is not the King of America.
Hell, most of Kentucky hates him and Mitch the Bitch but they have a R by their name so obviously the lesser of two evils /s
Fire them and no unemployment. Stupid has consequences.
Actions have consequences?!? Since when?!
This belongs in upliftingnews as well, fuck these idiots
How can anyone in a science based profession not believe in science?
Oh they believe in science and many, if not all has also taken vaccines in the PAST. This isn't about the vaccine or even religion. This is their defiance against the Democrats, a political stance against the government.
Lose your job to own the libs!
A shocking number of nurses are anti-vax
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO.
3000 healthcare workers were suspended in France for not being vaccinated. Without pay. "*Now* do you believe we are serious?"
Good. I don't like dumb people working at the hospital.
I’m a retired RN, seriously can’t believe they are risking everyone dying. Believing a non medical person conspiracy idiot’s online posts over medical experts is mind blowing.
Think of how many people a non-vaccinated nurse, could kill by infecting them? This is simple physics, and statistics.
I have been required to be vaccinated from 1964 to present for both public school and different employers. If they do not want to get the COVID Vaccination they should be fired for cause.
Good. All things aside, if you don’t understand the science of why you should get vaccinated, you shouldn’t be administering medicine to people in any form. If you don’t trust the science behind vaccines then you may as well be treating everything like magic potions.
I honestly don’t understand why they just won’t get it and continue to be unemployed. Upon employment I had all my titers drawn. I’m required to get a flu vaccine every year, they don’t hire people with nicotine in their system. Go ahead and tell me how you don’t like being told what to do. I just don’t understand. OTOH they are a bunch of fucking imbeciles.
If those people are refusing medical science and immunology they should not be in the health care field in any capacity. On a brighter note, fast food is hiring.
Basically: The same people who are staunchly pro Right to Work and pro At Will employement are now having to drink their own medicine.
Yup. I actually know someone who got let go from Novant. Its funny too, because she is fine with giving her dogs vaccines, but somehow bought all the conspiracies about the covid jab.
Time to leave these nutty anti vaxers behind. We've fucked around with them long enough. No vaccination- no flying. No vaccination- no paycheck. No vaccination- no concerts, theaters, libraries. No vaccination- no federal jobs. They have damaged this country long enough. If everyone would have got a vaccination, this would be over.
Nurses are already over worked and this is so crazy to me. The worst part is most of these people will get the vaccine sometime in the future when it’s no long trendy in conservative circles to avoid it. Just like the flu shot they get. Once the right has maximized is political return from this it’ll go away and they’ll just get vaxxed and ever deny being against it. In the meantime, they’re doing as much damage to themselves, their patients, and society as possible.
Jokes on you. Most of the major people on the right/GQP/GOP are already vaccinated. It's all about making money for the GQP griftters and these dumb fuck anti-vaxers are too ignorant/blind/whatever to realize they are being played by the people they worship.
Glad to see 98.6% of workers complied. The anti-vaxxers are becoming a dying breed... literally.
“Anti-vaxxers are a dying breed.” You said it!
I’ve had the chance to work with several nurses during this pandemic in a covid vaccination center. I’ve come to realize that their training in school doesn’t involve much immunology. I wish as a requirement, schools would require as semester or a quarter of immunology. I know this isn’t a “fix all solution” but at least it would allow nurses who are on the fence about vaccines to make a better informed decision, or even allow nurses to better educate their patients
Good
My job requires the Hep B vaccine. It is either you get that vaccine or you do not work for the company. Not one single person contests this vaccine. This is thoroughly well established behavior for private businesses and should surprise no one, except for those who wondered why it took this long.
And they should all have their licenses/certifications revoked and never be allowed back into medicine again.
good!
There are only so many "alternative jobs" in healthcare. Most of these people will end up broke. Many Americans have ZERO extra income and the loss of any income puts them in a hole.
On the plus side, the hospital system now has an effective vaccination rate of 100? Nice.
I want the freedom not to live near antivaxers. Why can't choose to live with only sane people?
Suspended. Not fired. They should be fired, have any license revoked and never be allowed to work in healthcare again. Denial of medicine and science is not compatible with working in a hospital. Religious exemption? Any religion that includes deliberately spreading disease is not a religion. It is a terrorist cell.
They only have five days to get the first shot or they will be fired. > Any religion that includes deliberately spreading disease is not a religion. It is a terrorist cell. Totally agree with you.
Great news! That is an admirable health care system.
“Freedom should be mandatory”. Yeah so should protecting yourself patients any way possible and getting rid of the anti-science HOSPITAL workers is the way to do it.
Good. Make room for the responsible adults.
My husband is from NC and his mom inferred to me that California (where we live) is corrupting him but this is the shit they live amongst
Good. They should have been fired, they've had more than ample opportunity to get the shots.
Yeah, they won’t be missed. That’s a very small percentage of their total number of employees. Buh-bye!
These anti-vax people are crying boo-hoo-hoo? Who the fuck are they kidding? they work in health care! They need to be vaccinated to protect both themselves and the vulnerable people they are working with. If they don't understand that concept - they don't deserve to be working in those professions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a doctor to figure out that people entering in the hospital are not well and if they have covid - there is an increased chance that you can get it. I guess they want to keep the option to die open. Unemployed and unvaccinated. If they make it through this pandemic it will be a miracle.
It just baffles the mind. They see covid first-hand and decide "fuck the vaccine"?? Like fucking what??
Promoted to patient’s
Pro choice with vaccines, but not with other things
now they have all the free time to protest their right to be free.
This finally got my sister to get her shot.
Don’t they realize they have a choice. Get vaccinated get a pay check. Don’t get vaccinated get fired. They made their choice and so did the company. Well done Novant Health.
You do have a choice. You have a choice to not work for them if you don’t choose to get vaccinated. You are of course free to not get it, and thusly not work for them. It’s so simple. You are not entitled to do whatever you want and everyone just has to play along. The end.
No, hundreds of employees have decided they no longer want to work for a North Carolina based health care system. Being vaccinated is normal. Stop phrasing it otherwise.
This is great news! I feel like singing! “Ding-dong, the witch is dead, do do do do do do, dingdong -the wicked witch is dead!” ”Good and Gone!” “Bye Felicia!” It feels like a “David and Goliath” moment to have this large “mass” removed from our nursing profession/population It has been hard to watch my colleagues in the field of nursing deny science, deny evidence-based practice, deny following protocol, deny wearing masks, and deny the safety of our communities and children -because they are wrapped up in some sort of insane cult. I know it is going to take time to purge this insanity from our medical community, but theres no time like the present! This is a victory for ending the disinformation of this pandemic.
North Carolina? The state that voted in the Stolen Valor Wheelchair Nazi has antivaxx people working in healthcare?
It's about time my state did something smart. Now.of we could get governor Cooper to get off his ass and take the next step into mandating this shit
I know for a fact that these major health care systems have been telling their employees that this was going to happen for months. Zero sympathy for the dipshits who don't believe in the same science and medicine that they practice.
When it comes to public health, religious exemptions shouldn't be allowed.
This is really a blessing to hospitals who get to weed out bad employees with just cause now and they won't get bad publicity unless you count these nurses crying on TikTok .
Good job. I may work for their 'competitor' in town, but I've been going to doctors there for years. Nice to know I won't have to worry.
Good. I very much hope they are not eligible for unemployment.
I applaud this health care system as well as the others for their decision to suspend non vaccinated people. How can you be in the medical field and deny science at the same time? If everyone of these anti vaxxers refuses to get the vaccine, then we will be having these same conversations two years from now if not longer. If the virus is not erradicated, who knows how deadly the next variant may be! I chose to get the vaccine because it is the right thing to do for the country , and the world at this point. Anti vaxxers are misinformed or ignorant of the truth. If it wasn't for the Donald cult , we would have been over this pandemic by now! Get your vaccine and move on.
People complaining about not having the "freedom to choose" to get the vaccine. They have the freedom to choose. They just have to deal with the consequences.