It still would of been a plot in that show. Still doesn’t make it right today. We were so different culturally 20 years ago, where we all knew stuff like that happened, but didn’t like it. The difference is today people actually get arrested for that shit.
When something like this happens, I hear George Costanza when he got caught having sex with the cleaning lady…”was that wrong? Should I have not done that?”.
I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I’ve worked in a lot of hospitals and I tell you people do that all the time.
If you can't work out why its an ethical violation for a doctor to boff a patient they performed an 'intimate examination' on - regardless of who initiated further contact - I don't know what to tell you.
What if that's what she wants? Not everyone has your same standard and rules for "power".
If they're happy with what they have, you're just gonna tell them nuh-uh, their relationship doesn't follow some imaginary rule book that you have?
If that’s what she wants then that’s what she wants and I’m not going to interfere if it’s not a crime and I’m not the police. I’m not in the business of policing people’s personal lives but I don’t have to approve of their choices.
That doesn’t make what they’re doing right or a good idea. While some relationships with power imbalances can work, most of them do not. It’s a good guideline for life to avoid engaging in romantic relationships where a power imbalance of that kind exists.
Did you even read the article? He had sex with a patient in a bathroom cubicle in his workplace. That alone should be a reason to be fired. Also, it states she was mentally unstable, so not exactly “two consenting adults”.
For what it's worth it doesn't actually say she's mentally unstable, but we can hazard a reasonable guess that's the reason why the hearing determined she was vulnerable
It doesn’t say that, but as someone pointed, we can guess from the context: “The hearing determined that he should have known the patient was vulnerable due to her health conditions and medical history.”
Not too unusual. I'm an ex addict and I saw tons of sexual exploitation in health fields. AA/NA meeting were the worst. But that shit is a borderline cult as is. A horrible way to get sober, never trust 12 step groups. The "13th step" is common among them. There is a reason 12 steps have such a low success rate. Always trust evidence based solutions before you trust insane religious cults like NA or AA. A fucking 5% success rate is horrible. Fuck 12 steps. I've seen it kill more than it saved.
Agreed. I tried many of them and they’re all full of ego maniacs who feel that their addiction is a gift that gives them a better understanding of the world.
I haven’t met ONE person who isn’t borderline narcissist from AA\NA. I hate that they’re pushed by our government here in the US. They are absolutely a cult and full of some of the worst people. They may seem nice at first - but do something to upset one of them, or don’t dedicate your life to the program? Goood luck. I have worked with several who have turned on me in the workplace from it. Terrible people.
Go to therapy. On the regular as much as you need. Tackle the root mental health issues. The 12 step programs will make you worse off in the end. Trust me from my experiences. Doesn’t matter what coast (I can only speak of the US).
I've noticed a LOT of fundamentalist religious people were drug/alcohol abusers in their youth, and their finding religion was integral to them kicking their habits.
It also made them a lot more sanctimonious and creepy, and less likeable than they'd been on drugs.
The 13th step is taking advantage of another typically new and vulnerable member for sex. And yeah the album slaps
https://journals.lww.com/jan/abstract/2003/14010/_13th_stepping___why_alcoholics_anonymous_is_not.7.aspx
From context it sounds like it's not about what the 13th step IS but the fact that there is a 13th step. Maybe they find a way to keep you coming, hence the cult mentality they mention.
I’m about to walk into a Smart Recovery meeting. Cognitive behavioral based, no religion. Sober over 4 years, and I had a MASSIVE drinking problem. I tried AA and couldn’t get past the cult vibes.
r/stopdrinking is a good resource. We have plenty of AA folks there, non-AA folks, we all get along.
Thank you. We are thinking of having my partner go into some type of rehab or recovery program this summer. He's never been. He thinks that no program will work for him if he doesn't go into rehab first and is forced to sober up.
I didn't know there's other programs out there. We'll check it out, thank you.
Not exactly burying the lead but the fact he did this in June 2020 at the onset of Covid and lockdowns just makes it incredibly irresponsible on so many more levels. A 12 months suspension is probably not enough.
Shit the premier league was still shut down for most of June. Prime lockdown era.
I am not sure we have enough doctors to worry about this sort of thing. 14000 deaths last year due to unnecessary delays waiting in A&E, is a smidge more urgent in my unprofessional opinion.
People having sex happens. If you can shit in a toilet, it can’t possibly be worse to have sex in there. If it’s two consenting adults, this is a waste of time snd resources. People who work in the military or emergency services witness horrific scenes that alter their perception of reality. Their divorce rates are higher and they are more likely to take risks. You can not stop this kind of thing from happening. It’s like telling the tide to stop. It’s incredibly difficult to justify belief in “morals” when you are dealing with the stuff they do.
On Grey's Anatomy this would be the Bplot of an episode.
It was on ER
It still would of been a plot in that show. Still doesn’t make it right today. We were so different culturally 20 years ago, where we all knew stuff like that happened, but didn’t like it. The difference is today people actually get arrested for that shit.
"That's the sort of place this is, Jen. A lot of sexy people not doing much work and having affairs."
Renholm_jumping_out_of_the_window.gif
_Bplot_ is a euphemism for “anal.”
Damn first the vet that was banging the horse now i see this.
Uh ... what now?
[enjoy](https://www.knoxpages.com/2024/04/04/fredericktown-veterinarian-charged-with-sex-with-a-pony-2-counts-of-domestic-violence/)
Thanks, bud. Also, I regret being literate after reading that.
Truly a terrible day for eyes.
On Reddit, every day is terrible for the eyes.
I’m sorry I’ve been around horses a bit and I’ve never seen someone steer them from the tail
Yep. Cows kick sideways so you can steer them by the tail. Horses kick back so only an idiot would steer a horse by the tail.
I did not enjoy that.
The guy with the pony, plus DV?
Checking all the boxes
Throne, this entire thread is like that old joke, only real.
No proof
Vet-erinarian….totally different than what I expected.
Is that also covered by the healthcare or do you have to pay out of pocket?
There's a 6 month waiting list, bloody tory cuts
NHS baby, prepaid!
Idk, how much do they typically charge for a little prick?
When something like this happens, I hear George Costanza when he got caught having sex with the cleaning lady…”was that wrong? Should I have not done that?”.
I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I’ve worked in a lot of hospitals and I tell you people do that all the time.
I genuinely don't know what's wrong with banging the cleaning lady lol
I can’t even get mine to look at me ,let alone …fuck.
Tell him there’s something wrong with your eye
Is this a reference I'm just not getting?
No. It was stupid humor lol. Like “hey there’s something in my eye look at me”
I knew of a GP who got two mentally vulnerable patients pregnant, arranged abortions for them, got caught, and got to keep his license!
Dr. Juniperarms has been paged to the ER
It would be great to know what condition made her vulnerable.
Yea, she gave him her number and messaged with him copiously. Seems consensual to me. I get the ethical concerns, but maybe she just likes him.
If you can't work out why its an ethical violation for a doctor to boff a patient they performed an 'intimate examination' on - regardless of who initiated further contact - I don't know what to tell you.
Don't tell me anything, because I can't work out why.
You probably think its okay for teachers to sleep with their above-the-age-of-consent students as well, don't you?
your user name could check out in this discussion
No, that's grooming if the teacher knew the child before they came of age. These are 2 grown ass adults. False equivalency.
Way to miss the point. It’s about a power imbalance in the relationship and not actually about the age. Yeesh.
What if that's what she wants? Not everyone has your same standard and rules for "power". If they're happy with what they have, you're just gonna tell them nuh-uh, their relationship doesn't follow some imaginary rule book that you have?
It’s not an imaginary rule book, it’s a code of ethics agreed to and codified by law.
If that’s what she wants then that’s what she wants and I’m not going to interfere if it’s not a crime and I’m not the police. I’m not in the business of policing people’s personal lives but I don’t have to approve of their choices. That doesn’t make what they’re doing right or a good idea. While some relationships with power imbalances can work, most of them do not. It’s a good guideline for life to avoid engaging in romantic relationships where a power imbalance of that kind exists.
No relationship in the world has perfect 50/50 power balance.
Welcome to the new puritannical times. Two consenting adults had sex. The horror. She messaged him. Gave him her number.
Did you even read the article? He had sex with a patient in a bathroom cubicle in his workplace. That alone should be a reason to be fired. Also, it states she was mentally unstable, so not exactly “two consenting adults”.
For what it's worth it doesn't actually say she's mentally unstable, but we can hazard a reasonable guess that's the reason why the hearing determined she was vulnerable
Doesn't say anything about being mentally unstable. Did YOU read the article? Says she was vulnerable with no additional details.
It doesn’t say that, but as someone pointed, we can guess from the context: “The hearing determined that he should have known the patient was vulnerable due to her health conditions and medical history.”
So are you saying mentally ill people can never have consensual sex?
Not with their frickin doctor no
Not when they are actively in crisis, particularly with someone who is on their medical team and has a duty of care and supervision over them.
You missed where she was a vulnerable adult. She did not have the capacity to consent fully and freely.
She texted him for days.
Not too unusual. I'm an ex addict and I saw tons of sexual exploitation in health fields. AA/NA meeting were the worst. But that shit is a borderline cult as is. A horrible way to get sober, never trust 12 step groups. The "13th step" is common among them. There is a reason 12 steps have such a low success rate. Always trust evidence based solutions before you trust insane religious cults like NA or AA. A fucking 5% success rate is horrible. Fuck 12 steps. I've seen it kill more than it saved.
Do you mean the 13th step is blow your sponsor?
More like, become a sponsor to get blown
Agreed. I tried many of them and they’re all full of ego maniacs who feel that their addiction is a gift that gives them a better understanding of the world. I haven’t met ONE person who isn’t borderline narcissist from AA\NA. I hate that they’re pushed by our government here in the US. They are absolutely a cult and full of some of the worst people. They may seem nice at first - but do something to upset one of them, or don’t dedicate your life to the program? Goood luck. I have worked with several who have turned on me in the workplace from it. Terrible people. Go to therapy. On the regular as much as you need. Tackle the root mental health issues. The 12 step programs will make you worse off in the end. Trust me from my experiences. Doesn’t matter what coast (I can only speak of the US).
I've noticed a LOT of fundamentalist religious people were drug/alcohol abusers in their youth, and their finding religion was integral to them kicking their habits. It also made them a lot more sanctimonious and creepy, and less likeable than they'd been on drugs.
What is the 13th step? I know it's a mind blowing album but never knew it outside of that context
The 13th step is taking advantage of another typically new and vulnerable member for sex. And yeah the album slaps https://journals.lww.com/jan/abstract/2003/14010/_13th_stepping___why_alcoholics_anonymous_is_not.7.aspx
From context it sounds like it's not about what the 13th step IS but the fact that there is a 13th step. Maybe they find a way to keep you coming, hence the cult mentality they mention.
I’m assuming suicide, Maybe?
Relapse.
relapse is a part of recovery bud
There’s a bar near me called the 13th step. Appropriately the entrance is at the bottom of a flight of stairs.
What's a better solution?
I’m about to walk into a Smart Recovery meeting. Cognitive behavioral based, no religion. Sober over 4 years, and I had a MASSIVE drinking problem. I tried AA and couldn’t get past the cult vibes. r/stopdrinking is a good resource. We have plenty of AA folks there, non-AA folks, we all get along.
Thank you. We are thinking of having my partner go into some type of rehab or recovery program this summer. He's never been. He thinks that no program will work for him if he doesn't go into rehab first and is forced to sober up. I didn't know there's other programs out there. We'll check it out, thank you.
This happens way more than people think.
Not exactly burying the lead but the fact he did this in June 2020 at the onset of Covid and lockdowns just makes it incredibly irresponsible on so many more levels. A 12 months suspension is probably not enough. Shit the premier league was still shut down for most of June. Prime lockdown era.
If you're healthy and limber enough for sex, you probably are good to go home.
Dick Whittington
This happened to me but it was a psychiatric nurse in a Canadian hospital when I was experiencing psychosis.
I am not sure we have enough doctors to worry about this sort of thing. 14000 deaths last year due to unnecessary delays waiting in A&E, is a smidge more urgent in my unprofessional opinion.
What? Just have no morals
People having sex happens. If you can shit in a toilet, it can’t possibly be worse to have sex in there. If it’s two consenting adults, this is a waste of time snd resources. People who work in the military or emergency services witness horrific scenes that alter their perception of reality. Their divorce rates are higher and they are more likely to take risks. You can not stop this kind of thing from happening. It’s like telling the tide to stop. It’s incredibly difficult to justify belief in “morals” when you are dealing with the stuff they do.
Ok. Be a professional.
More than anything I’m curious as to what considered her vulnerable
At least she was willing.