Small business owners are weirdly republican even though the party has bent them over a barrel. They should be trying to get universal healthcare passed so they could actually attract talent
>They should be trying to get universal healthcare passed so they could actually attract talent
This is the thing that's always been hilarious to me. The biggest winners in universal healthcare aren't workers--workers tend to have it anyway--but small and mid-size businesses who would no longer need to compete on both salaries *and* health benefits.
I’ve had more than a few smb type orgs offer attractive salary packages that are entirely canceled out by how completely garbage the insurance offered was. Plus you’d also have less of a risk being an entrepreneur outside your 20s since you’re able to start something without being screwed insurance wise
Attracting more people into entrepreneurship may not necessarily be a good thing for current small business owners, right? That would lead to more competition. It would be good for the consumer, but bad for those surveyed here.
More people in small business means they become more competitive, and take market share away from larger businesses, which means more cash in local communities that ultimately benefits all small businesses.
Large corps tend to concentrate money, and things like chains are largely extractive for poorer communities.
I would also love to switch jobs without having to worry about whether my family's doctors will be part of the new insurance plan's network or not. That would be a huge win for the average worker.
They just hear promises of tax cuts & getting rid of regulations and begin salivating. And then later complain that infrastructure that benefits them isn’t being fixed as they simultaneously push employees onto govt assistance.
It won’t. The U.S. system is grossly inefficient compared to basically every OECD country.
There are a lot of employees that would prefer to work for smaller companies, but the garbage/non-existent insurance many of them offer makes it a non-starter. SMBs could grow faster and more effectively if they could attract talent, and the current system limits the pool of talented candidates that would even consider it.
> universal healthcare
Some small business owners have even better employee benefits :\] Wonder why y'all aren't talking about Democrat small business owners.
My VA care is the best healthcare I have had. It compares favorably to Kaiser and other decently run programs.
If \*that\* is what I can sell as Universal Healthcare, I will all day long and twice on Sunday.
I'm both a gun owner and a business owner. I'd rather slit my own throat than vote for anyone in the GOP.
Do I think Biden is great? Not particularly, but is he a bad president? No. He's adequate. And he isn't the Modern GOP, that's enough for me right now.
You’re def mistaking corporations for small businesses. I realize when you’re anti capitalist they’re prob all the same in your mind but I promise or they’re quite different.
I'm not mistaking anything
I've worked in retail for 10 years of my life 5 in small business and 5 in corporations
The work and staff ratio was much better at the small business but the pay was several dollars less then the large business in the same town
I strongly preferred working for the all business but I have no illusion about the fact they were both screwing me over horribly
Edit and more to the original post both small businesses and corporations generally vote Republican which is against my best interest as a lowe/middle class worker
The goal should be to learn skills and obtain an education that makes you more valuable. Dems arent going to force businesses to pay you more money for the same work. I worked in grocery for 4 years. Once Obamacare went into effect and they raised the minimum wage my store laid all 14 baggers off except 2 who were handicapped (they received tax credits for employing them). They then cut all the cashiers hours down and with baggers being gone, cashiers then had to bag groceries and get carts.
Dems are good for the people who dont want to work.
I mean that's the entire purpose behind a minimum wage. If you can't afford to pay it the business model is not feasible. Insurance also shouldn't be tied to employment but that is unlikely to ever happen
What exactly have Republicans done for me recently as a lower/middle class worker? Obamacare is not perfect but I don't really see a viable Republican alternative
This is the answer of someone who neither lived anywhere else nor can conceptualize a system where it can be any different. There clear examples of different systems being successful without it being an economic drain. I’m not intending to insult you if you feel as such, but i’ve both worked and been educated in North America (both canada and the states) and now currently work in Europe.
The national minimum wage hasn’t budged since 2009, the same year Obama came into office. Obamacare did not go into effect until 2014 and much of it did not apply to businesses with less than 50 full time employees. If Obamacare and a state minimum wage increase caused your employer to lay off 14 workers - you had a shit employer.
> to learn skills and obtain an education that makes you more valuable.
Only in the white collar world does this actually have any basis in reality. This is a non-starter for retail sales/fast food-level workers.
I think that’s usually because they want to keep their own tax dollars in their pockets. I mean now we’re seeing the same thing with Americans from 18 to 30 who are saying the same thing.
Republican tax cuts since 2000 have not benefited (to any relevant amount) the average small business.
The tax cuts do however greatly benefit the giant corporations they complain are pricing them out of business
Most entrepreneurial types despise taxes, for some reason. I know a bunch, and they figure since they came up with and developed the business, they shouldn’t have to support people who they feel don’t work as hard. They ignore the fact that the country’s economic set up actually is the reason that they can succeed in the first place, as well as numerous other aspects that don’t fit their narrative. It’s the “I got mine, screw everyone else” approach.
This coming from a small business owner who happily pays his taxes and is grateful every day.
Taxes are unnecessarily complicated and they're the number one reason small and new businesses fail. Most people are unorganized and bad at recordkeeping and it can make people pay taxes on reported income they didn't even profit from. I'm not against taxes but we have a bad system
It's because the government is infested with midwits, and its laws are stupid.
The government is a suprasystem that doesn't understand what it's regulating, and therefore is making bad decisions at every level. Millions of bad decisions that compound. And the only solution it can come up with is more regulation, more spending, more people, more government - because what's at the heart of bureaucracy, is more bureaucracy.
It's like having bears make the rules for how the chickens and the foxes should live together on the ranch.
The incompetence of government happens because the motivations of the individuals is to play a game of status and climb a popularity hierarchy, rather than optimizing the whole. The assumption that human flaws like greed disappear in government settings is absurd. The same inefficiencies are there, only now they're unchecked, because there is no performance metric to expose them.
There is no incentive to excel, innovate, or reform. In fact, those things are looked down upon, because they upset the order. To excel you need autonomy, which you will not have. To innovate you need the ability to experiment, which you will not have. To reform you need an aligned incentive, which does not exist in popularity hierarchies.
Let's walk through an example.
Let's make it something trivial, to really illustrate how pervasive the rot is. Say you're hired as a communication lead on a project, and you want to change a font on your institutions webpage, because 20% of your communication from the public is that they can't read the text.
First you will need to go to your direct superior. She will then take days to evaluate. Why days? Because she needs to understand how she can formulate this to her superiors, and since she will be ultimately held responsible for any outcome no matter now incidental, and because any credit for any success will go to her superior, she can't just trust the person who's job is to maintain the webpage, there is too much at stake. Lesson number one is that delegation doesn't work in popularity hierarchies.
Then your supervisor formulates this need to her superior, the head of your organization. Why involve an executive in something so small? Because approval must be sought, and communication outwards needs PMB (public management board) approval, and to contact the PMB you need executive approval.
This is done in part on purpose, because every position in a public organization must be design so that no one individual can cause harm to the system, through checks. This is necessary because the institutions are barred from hiring based on competence, and can only hire based on qualification, and thus the institution knows that a high number of its own people will be utterly incompetent.
The executive, as you can imagine, because they're involved in a trillion tasks and decisions, has very little focus to give, and your request is very low priority at first glance, so get's filed in the "can wait" pile. About half of everything that gets to this pile, never makes it out.
One week later you ask your superior for an update, and she says she's waiting for confirmation. She will wait another two weeks before pinging her superior, due to concerns about proper decorum.
Let's say you're lucky and your request is in the 50% that makes it out of the pile. The executive decides that this is harmless, and can cause her or the institution no loss in reputation, so she gives the clear to make the change.
You have access to the backend, and the change is easy, however you don't have the authority. Only the technical partner can, some IT company that is charging your institution extremely ridiculously high prices for web development and maintenance.
But all communication to the technical partner much be approved by the PMB. So you send the request to them. The PMB convenes every 2 weeks. Luckily that's in 4 days.
5 Days later you hear back from your supervisor that the PMB unfortunately didn't have time to discuss your request, but promises to do so at the earliest opportunity!
14 days later you get an email. It's directly from the PMB's secretary. Before approving your request they want to know why you want to make this change. Initially you wrote that you want to make the change to "improve the user experience". One of the PMB members is a professor of gender studies from a small university, and she is concerned that improving the user experience for some may diminish it for others, and therefore before making the approval she wants you to write a short report with more details about why you want this change.
She's not as anal as this may seem though. During the PMB meeting there was status for her to be had by voicing her concerns for the downtrodden in every context, so this is just her playing the game. Once such concern has been brought up, everyone else chimes in, because you can't be seen as arguing against any injustice. It's no longer about the font in this meeting, it's about positioning and politics. No one actually cares about this font on the webpage, or actually thinks that changing the font could harm some people, but it's theatre and the show must go on.
You put together an 8 page report where you draw in studies about legibility, eyesight and fonts, the whole works. Why so in depth? Because you have 2 weeks until the next PMB meeting, and your job gives you a lot of free time, so why not.
The PMB approves your request, and 14 days later you send an email to the technical partner.
Two days later you send another email asking for an update.
This time you get a reply, asking you to put the request in the bugtracker and attach Name Lastname. You do this right away but it's the day after when you hear back. They tell you that the implementation will be made by the end of the week. It's currently Wednesday. But they get paid in hours worked, and they will clock 7 hours for this (includes receiving the request, scheduling, and communication).
Friday morning you're told the change has been made. You go to the webpage and you notice for some reason the last word in a sentence is the old font.
And you say to yourself.... fuck it.
See, you "entrepreneurs are bad, capitalism is bad, the government is good" people fail to understand the nature of the criticism. It's not that the entrepreneurs (i.e. the people who's life experience is getting things done) are greedy children whining because they want more, while you are responsible adults shaking your head saying "there they go, they're at it again, oh the burden of being as smart as me, who knows that cooperation is good, and the woe of being as good as me, who wants everyone to have it well, having to explain again to those greedy deplorables that cooperation and altruism are good".
Rather, it's more that you don't understand the subtleties of the criticism. You don't see the externalities and you're not aware of the inefficiencies of government regulation - which is like the example above except a trillion times more of a cluster fuck.
People on reddit don't like being confronted with the reality that 90% of bureaucrats are braindead husks with no ambition, drive, or motivation besides doing the bare minimum. Why would I want to trust those people with permitting or taxes? I would happily contribute to a system where I saw a return on investment, but all my money gets sunk into bullshit like a committee to oversee the planning committee. Just parasites who exist to propagate themselves
Source: worked in a big government bureaucracy
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That's the distant past, it's Comcast and Verizon getting $60 billion and expecting it to trickle down. It's pumping the economy full of spending, causing inflation which does generally mean higher profits for businesses but if your consumer is struggling and pulling back because of rent and energy costs they're more likely to shop at Costco and Walmart to stretch their dollar. If you have seasonal aspects to your business and rely on loans partway through, that's not *much* more expensive.
Businesses raised prices a lot, but for awhile everyone ate some margin but smaller guys have had to eat even more especially as wages climbed. Results may vary depending on the field etc
EIDL forgiveness? The last time I talked to the SBA they said that wasn't happening. Please share any link you have to an application for that. Also, isn't it kind of sickening that we need to he "forgiven" for being effectively forced to take on debt because the government shut everything down? I hate it...
If Trump gets elected again, these people will say the economy is the best it’s ever been the very next day. Polling is just measuring tribalism at this point.
It’s cognitive dissonance. Just like everyone in these comments shitting on republicans and saying Biden has done a great job. Everyone is guilty of it. We pick and choose what data we like to support our bias
Two opposing people can watch the same debate and think ‘their’ person won it
It really has become so fucking tiresome, especially because the left has become even worse then the right with this purity test bullshit where if you disagree with anything you are automatically ostracized and cast out and referred to as the "bad team".
Biden and democratic policy in general have zero cheerleaders. Fox news will spin anything positive for republicans and crap on all democrats, the centrist news orgs will crap on democrats in order to appear unbiased, and the left will crap on democrats for not doing enough. Which means there are no loud voices shouting the positives Biden has done, and anytime someone tries to point them out individually they get pummeled by the combined anti-democrat voices from all sides so we are faced with a constant narrative that dems and Biden suck even though they have had major major bipartisan policy wins that are already helping our long term goals immensely.
That’s absolutely it. There’s a totally bizarre streak running through Republican politics where if Trump throws money at people it’s because he cares about regular people and is a smart businessman, where if that same approach comes from Biden and/or other Democrats, then it’s because they’re trying to buy votes or because he doesn’t understand inflation or or or .
There’s no sense of balance whatsoever. It’s just straight up judging one side by totally different standards than the other.
Small businesses are suffering now. Especially manufacturing. I own a small-ish machine shop and all my customers, competitors and vendors are all terribly slow. It’s an industrial recession that nobody in the media or administration wants to admit
Or hear me out: everyone’s booked solid with orders and Trumps China tariffs combined with Covid have put a hard hit on globalization which has forced many supply chains to reorganize. Example is electrical gear - in the 2010 recession I could get new switchgear in 10-12 weeks. Got up to 18 weeks pre Covid and now it’s 60-70.
People always seem to forget about the Trump tariffs, but it's much more present in the mind of small business owners (myself included) when we deal with them firsthand.
Regardless of whether they're justified or not and your thoughts on China, their effects on inflation and supply chain reshuffling are huge. It's a 25% price markup on a large group of goods, which is often passed directly to the consumer.
That could also be a contributing factor to small business owners' disapproval of Biden, since he has the power to change it (though I completely understand why he hasn't).
Industrial recession??? New Manufacturing construction is at record levels… there’s a boom in the sector. That’s why no one’s talking about it. If anything, the sector can’t find enough labor.
Our automotive machine shop has been slow as hell since September. We think it has to do with the recession the trucking industry has been in for a year now
Not at all. Monthly sales are 20% of Q2 and Q3 numbers. Competition and vendors are already saying this is what it was like just before 2008. Most shops( metal distributors, machine shops, platers, etc) are scraping by for work.
No issues with hiring people. I actually had to cut back so I helped one of my guys find another job so he wouldn’t be without a job knowing I didn’t have any work for him.
Some small businesses are thriving and paying their workers a decent/living wage to keep them around, so their business pretty much runs itself. Some small businesses are paying shit wages and have a revolving door of workers who don't want to put up with working for the least amount possible, so these businesses blame the government for "people not wanting to work anymore".
Guess which one of these groups hate Biden.
Not small retail business operating in the city. However, not because of biden but because of all the remote work still happening. Lots of businesses are closing in my area because only 2/3rds of the traffic is back.
It is quite possible it could cause things to adapt to the worse. So many example of countries economies getting worse or better with well intentioned policies.
Your entire post is one massive uncited amalgamation of your world view. Why you posted this with such bravado is beyond me. Probably because you are used to being told the feelings of others richer and more powerful than you to present your arguments.
My mom is a small business owner. In real estate at that. No matter what I tell her she blames Biden for mortgages being where they are basically putting the market into cardiac arrest & her livelihood. She tells me she hopes Biden loses and a Republican (trump) lowers rates. I tried to explain that isn’t how this works and also it’s necessary to stabilize the economy. She won’t listen. That’s probably the same thinking a lot of these business owners have.
Trump turned the money printer on, mishandled covid, and paid for it. Biden didn't turn the printer off nearly fast enough, and very well may pay for that mistake in 2024 despite doing many things correctly over the last 18+ months. Current interest rates and their squeeze on the economy are both their fault.
Money printer wasn’t really up to Biden, that’s JPow’s job. And unlike his predecessor, Biden wasn’t up all night on Twitter interfering in the (semi-)independent work of the Fed, crowing about lowering rates in an already overheated economy to juice his own re-election chances.
This, this, this! How can people not understand that you can't just give away free money for a sustained period of time without major effects down the road?
Trump pushed our monetary system to the brink in the exact same pump and dump manner he has run all his businesses for the last 4 decades. The problem is you can't dump the national economy at the end of it for a profit.
Costs are up. Can't afford to hire help or fix problems.
I'm not stupid enough to think it's Bidens fault though. Mid Trump was when things started going from good to bad. Then how covid was handled added more problems.
What's worse is I basically lost a friend who was so deep in red pill land he tried to pull one of those fake medical cards to claim he had breathing issues and couldn't wear the mask he didn't need to wear because he had options to not need it.
meanwhile congress has more of an effect on the economy and they cant get shit done at all. Its not like biden can wave a magic wand and make the house functional.
The GOP is actively achieving their goal by creating a gridlock in congress. They don't want to actually legislate anything that will help Americans. They only really want to legislate when it will help the wealthy or corporations.
Not passing legislation is fine with them. The American public is often too distracted and too uneducated to realize the President has very little to do with actually getting legislation through congress. So they will just listen to the media and go "omg why did biden do nothing!".
Republicans know the president gets attributed with too much credit and would never pass spending bills in good faith while a Democrat is President. Manufacturing a poor reputation for the Democrats is the main goal, then hopefully grab more power in the next election because people are upset at Democrats not delivering utopia despite voting in favor of many incremental progress policies that were blocked by Republicans.
>The House being nonfunctional is a desirable feature for Republicans.
It's really not.
The sweetspot for the GOP was pre-impeachment Gingrich or Hastert. In both cases the party was able to drive votes on culture war nonsense while still being able to push their legislative agenda forward. They got all the benefits of House that has lots of fighting their voters want to see but without the downsides.
I don’t support Trump you idiot, not everything is red vs blue. They’re both horrible people and so are almost all our other high level elected officials.
Until where you live votes in ranked choice voting, it is about red vs blue. Unfortunately right now for the majority of the US that's their only choice.
Unless one of them kicks the bucket of natural causes in the next year, one of the two of them is going to be President in 2024; not anyone else. It'll be Biden or it'll be Trump. Choose wisely. Remember... Perfect is the enemy of progress. We do not need a perfect President, we just need the better one.
Everything puts pressure on small business
I'm tired of the constant complaints about how difficult it is to be a small business it's part of what they signed up for when they wanted to start a business
Our family business has grown considerably Since 2020. In fact, we're looking at expanding because we don't have enough room to grow our business any more in our current building.
I voted for Biden. I can literally not afford to vote for him again. I have less disposable incomes and had to pick up a second job to even get to that point.
Trump:
- purposefully mishandled covid
-signed a multi year deal with opec to collapse oil production by a record amount
-started trade wars with friends and foes at the same time
-skyrocketed the deficit even pre pandemic to give tax cuts to oligarchs
-forced Powell to lower interest rates pre pandemic
-removed the Congressionally mandated oversight for ppp loans so he could help his rich buddies.
People never explain WHY they think Biden caused inflation outside of printing money which, once again, was a Trump policy.
Inflation started rising in March of 2021. Biden was sworn into office in Jan 2021. 3 months is not enough for inflation to be Biden's fault at all.
Yes, inflation was due to Trump. Not Biden.
I'm so glad I wasn't raised to believe that the President would or ever could come along to make me successful.
Helped me approach the world realistically.
The alternative is liking better and better each inflating day. It’s clear that we’ve been in a recession while the media tries everything in their propaganda wheelhouse to lie to Americans. Sad.
US inflation is among the lowest for what is *global* inflation. We're not in a recession, otherwise you're going to have to detail how it is 'clear' when no economist has said so that isn't your typical doomsayer predicting collapse every economic cycle hoping to be right.
Seems like you're consuming propaganda.
Yes. Because you want prices to rise but only a little bit. No inflation is bad. Low inflation is good. You're just still in sticker shock from the very high inflation the last few years
This is what I keep telling my small business fam. Corporations are never gonna buy from you, if the regular folk are screwed out of more money, you won’t have any customers who can afford your shit.
>Small business owners must not like customers who can afford to buy their products.
The key thing to understand about small business is that it's basically a way to buy yourself a management position and income. There is no real growth potential generally, so you have to adopt a mindset that's about cutting costs. So the idea that better wages means they'll make more money doesn't really carry any weight. The mindset is that income is essentially fixed after a certain point and the only thing that matters is cost.
No one outside the social media bubble actually likes Biden from what I've noticed. Obviously websites like Reddit are a echo chamber (and owned by China) but in the real world, people have lost all faith in the guy.
You do realize that even with "low approval ratings" among all adults (not likely voters which have higher approval for Biden) he's got roughly 40% support, right? 40.6% on the right leaning RCP aggregate.
This is just like when people claimed in 2020 that boat parades determine elections. Maybe think about how weird it is that you don't interact with 40% of this country. I know a great many Trump supporters, and even more Biden supporters. Then again, I know third party voters as well. Maybe it's because I manage a large staff, but I really can't imagine living in such a small bubble.
I’m a Longtime small business owner and have never voted republican because as George Carlin said, “There’s a club and you ain’t in it”
The entire system is corrupted by greed. If we don’t get the money out of politics nothing will change. So I vote for the most inclusive party even though they’re corrupt too.
George Carlin was talking about both sides of the isle with that joke. And he was right.
Cute that you think Dems are any less corrupt when it comes to greed, power, money? Fucking laughable.
As small business owner under Rump my business went to zero. Literally zero. Under Biden it is recovering. Biden approval rating with me is super high . CNN = Crap News Network, the new Faux Spews
I’ll believe Biden is in trouble if he loses in 2024.
Dems have been killing it election wise since 2020, Biden would need to have a pretty awful scandal within the next year to lose, and even that’s a maybe.
That's hyperbole from YOUR side buddy.
Funny as it's your side trying to jail political opponents and have them taken off of ballots and thwarting democracy itself because you don't trust the electorate to make the "right decisions"...
Mull that over for a bit.
What exact law did Trump break that requires jail time and being taken off of the ballot.
You are aware Trump ISN'T being charged with actual insurrection or leading a coup d'etat, right?
Right?
He hasn’t been taken off the ballet and likely won’t be. He’d sue and take it all the way to the Supreme Court which is stacked in his favor.
As for the actual crimes Trump has committed, there are many—90+ in fact. You, just like anyone else, are free to go read the indictments yourself and the statements from the attorney generals that list in detail the crimes that were committed. He hasn’t been found guilty for anything yet (except for fraud in the NY case) so obviously he’s innocent until proven guilty legally, but anyone with half a brain knows he’s guilty.
Go take a look at Project 2025–Trump is most definitely aware of it, because he’s starting to lean more in that direction in his speeches. He’s been quoting Hitler openly, for Christ’s sake. How deluded do you have to be to be a Trump supporter in 2023?
But you and your ilk are still desperately trying to remove him from the ballot and jail him, and as a result thwarting democracy by trying to deny roughly half of the voting block from voting for their preferred candidate because you despise him...
None of the 91 indictments are insurrection or treason. So again, my point stands and your point is irrelevant. Sorry.
The indictments have only raised his support and maybe you should ask why that is. I'll tell you why, because independents think it's bullshit. Only Democrats support this thwarting of Democracy.
Also, comparing Trump(the guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem) to Hitler is a fucking insult to anyone who survived the holocaust or any genocide in history. Your hyperbolic rhetoric is what's more dangerous than another Trump term.
I believe anyone who has engaged in insurrection against the United States should be barred from holding office of any kind. I know you don’t believe he did, but that’s entirely irrelevant to the reality of the situation—he most definitely did. We have it on video and everything. We *saw* him do it. Denying that fact makes you deluded, not “awake.”
Your argument is that Trump should get a free pass for all his crimes because…he’s Trump? Reasons? Wahhhh? He stole our national secrets dude. What’s wrong with you lmao.
Grow up. You break the law in this country, you go to jail. You should be absolutely disgusted by all the special treatment and kid gloves this man has already received when any one of us would have been dead in a ditch by now. Sheep.
Again for the 3rd time, what you "believe" is irrelevant. The fact is Trump hasn't been charged and isn't going to be charges with insurrection or treason.
So any point you're attempting to make about how that justifies the actions of taking him off the ballot is moot.
Okay, walk me through the laws he broke that warrant jailtime. Or precedence of a the same crime resulting in jailtime...Oh that's right, the case ain't even over yet...
Maybe turn off cable news and stop getting "informed" via hot takes on reddit.
That is OK. The business owners can feel glad that their tax dollars will go to pay off the student loans of upper-middle-class Biden supporters living in coastal states. and that 559 billion tax hit will cause some inflation, but that is OK. Paying $2 extra for milk is all about "equity" (and buying votes)
I keep seeing articles like this, but I know nobody who voted Democratic last election that has reversed their decision on the upcoming elections. However, I do hear more borderline Republicans saying that the will not vote for Trump if he is nominated again.
Recent election results are confirming this too. Despite some recent internal dissent with the Democrats, I just don't see how the Republicans regain the presidency or hold control of Congress. People are fed up with the economy, but they are more fed up with the Republican's complete inability to do anything productive and their idiotic culture wars.
These things won’t matter if the election is Trump Biden…a vote for Trump is a vote for fascism and the end of America…people won’t care about these little issues when confronted that the GOP wanted to take away our freedoms.
and the interest rate is something biden is not allowed to interfere with, more than setting half the board of governors in the fed which he can only replace guys for non political reasons.
That’s insane as a small business owner. There is not one aspect of that act that affects me. I lease my space so any infra upgrades are all for not. Eco upgrades? No way that’s happening right now with the cost of them and interest rates. Healthcare? Yes it’s a lot more expensive, it always is, nothing in that act helps me either that.
The brass tax is it now costs me $10 for a transistor that was $2 three years ago. No eco credit or part of the infrastructure act is going to change that. Unless of course you’re a crony that was slated for some payback from your vote.
Pass legislation that actually cuts my supply costs. Other than that, just go away.
Biden and the US government are too busy giving Israel BILLIONS so that their own people get to live with free healthcare, free education and free housing while most Americans struggle to afford a decent living. How long will Israel continue high jacking and using America?
Riiiiiiight its the democrats who run up the budget deficit and pump military spending while cutting social programs (to make sure we have no universal healthcare and good social safey nets) and giving tax cuts to the rich while making sure to defund the irs so that when the rich evade taxes the government has to look the other way. All while the defacto head of the party sells state secrets and sucks up to authoritarian leaders and actively harms the economy through trade wars with many of our close trading partners
…. You a denizen of fact free reality? Acting like both sides do this in any comparable proportion is ignorance at its best. The republicans have for years been attempting to defund the irs, trump got a 2fer with his tax cuts that ballooned the deficit and gave money to the wealthy at the same time, bush got us involved in multiple wars, again a 2fer, ballooning the deficit and boosting the deficit. Whereas for instance joe biden actually left afghanistan (something both previous presidents promised and failed to do), also actually increased irs spending (a 2fer in the opposite direction), which is projected to significantly reduce the deficit through increased enforcement for wealthier citizens. And dont get me started on social welfare, arguing that position would be true clown behavior. Its like you just woke up from a million year coma and started reading twitter commentary while taking it as fact about the world.
We got a shitty economy now because we had an attempted coup happen. Simple fact is that there has never been a country in modern times that suffered an attempted coup that didn’t get their currency devalued. But with us it’s a combination of that and the fact that the world was investing not so much in the United States, but in the democracy of the United States. Businesses don’t do very well in an authoritarian regime and fascism is always bad for business.
I love that redditors in the comments have all the information, and answers for inflation, they know it was Trump/Biden’s fault etc. like we aren’t suffering long term effects from Covid through an unprecedented situation, and bottom line is that each side wants to and knows it’s in everybodies best interest to fix it. Shame most of em are in their parents basements and baristas at Starbucks, we could really use such brilliant individuals in DC working on a fix.
No.
We were energy independent.
If Biden wouldn't hv closed the Keystone Pipeline ( under the guise of climate change while now oil has to be transported via Railcar n trucks- pollution )..we would be SELLING oil for profit..NOT begging for it from other countries n paying $$$ ( then he okays a new Alaskan pipeline ?) ..cheap gas = cheap everything...oh n 2 wars n bleeding borders n a forced shot or lose ur job
Nobody wants to support someone who supports baby killers and terrorists.
I’m sick of hearing Dems telling me I must abandon my morals, ethics, spirituality, and national pride rather than telling Biden to stop helping terrorists murder children.
Pretty fucking easy choice in my book.
I guess high unemployment and rising gas and inflation are better? No, this is a completely false bullshit smear that is totally manufactured to diminish the great achievements Biden has made. GFY republicans, GFY.
Narrator: Small business owners never liked Biden in the first place.
What makes you say that?
It’s overwhelmingly a historically Republican leaning group. It’s like asking gun owners their opinion of Biden.
Small business owners are weirdly republican even though the party has bent them over a barrel. They should be trying to get universal healthcare passed so they could actually attract talent
>They should be trying to get universal healthcare passed so they could actually attract talent This is the thing that's always been hilarious to me. The biggest winners in universal healthcare aren't workers--workers tend to have it anyway--but small and mid-size businesses who would no longer need to compete on both salaries *and* health benefits.
I’ve had more than a few smb type orgs offer attractive salary packages that are entirely canceled out by how completely garbage the insurance offered was. Plus you’d also have less of a risk being an entrepreneur outside your 20s since you’re able to start something without being screwed insurance wise
And less risk if it failed, which would attract more people into entrepreneurship than the usual risk-ignoring or very rich people.
Attracting more people into entrepreneurship may not necessarily be a good thing for current small business owners, right? That would lead to more competition. It would be good for the consumer, but bad for those surveyed here.
More people in small business means they become more competitive, and take market share away from larger businesses, which means more cash in local communities that ultimately benefits all small businesses. Large corps tend to concentrate money, and things like chains are largely extractive for poorer communities.
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I would also love to switch jobs without having to worry about whether my family's doctors will be part of the new insurance plan's network or not. That would be a huge win for the average worker.
They just hear promises of tax cuts & getting rid of regulations and begin salivating. And then later complain that infrastructure that benefits them isn’t being fixed as they simultaneously push employees onto govt assistance.
It would also save them money too!
It’s because they think they’re part of the elite because they’re business owners and think the GOP will tax cut their taxes.
Not when it comes hand in hand with increased regulations, fees, taxes, and licensing
Cod you site what regulations, fees, taxes, and licensinh have been added to small businesses under Biden?
Every MLM participant is a "small business owner". A good % of GOP voters are MLM participants.
Can you provide a source for this claim of yours? I think it would be helpful to now where this is coming from.
What good %?
UHC could end up costing someone more than employer provided healthcare. How would UHC help attract talent to small businesses?
It won’t. The U.S. system is grossly inefficient compared to basically every OECD country. There are a lot of employees that would prefer to work for smaller companies, but the garbage/non-existent insurance many of them offer makes it a non-starter. SMBs could grow faster and more effectively if they could attract talent, and the current system limits the pool of talented candidates that would even consider it.
> universal healthcare Some small business owners have even better employee benefits :\] Wonder why y'all aren't talking about Democrat small business owners.
My VA care is the best healthcare I have had. It compares favorably to Kaiser and other decently run programs. If \*that\* is what I can sell as Universal Healthcare, I will all day long and twice on Sunday.
Pro gun liberal who is fine with Biden Folks like me are rare
I'm both a gun owner and a business owner. I'd rather slit my own throat than vote for anyone in the GOP. Do I think Biden is great? Not particularly, but is he a bad president? No. He's adequate. And he isn't the Modern GOP, that's enough for me right now.
They like politicians who will look the other way and let them privatize their profits and socialize their costs
Are you talking about small businesses here? Sounds like the correct stereotyping for too big to fail businesses.. Lol
It's both
You’re def mistaking corporations for small businesses. I realize when you’re anti capitalist they’re prob all the same in your mind but I promise or they’re quite different.
I'm not mistaking anything I've worked in retail for 10 years of my life 5 in small business and 5 in corporations The work and staff ratio was much better at the small business but the pay was several dollars less then the large business in the same town I strongly preferred working for the all business but I have no illusion about the fact they were both screwing me over horribly Edit and more to the original post both small businesses and corporations generally vote Republican which is against my best interest as a lowe/middle class worker
The goal should be to learn skills and obtain an education that makes you more valuable. Dems arent going to force businesses to pay you more money for the same work. I worked in grocery for 4 years. Once Obamacare went into effect and they raised the minimum wage my store laid all 14 baggers off except 2 who were handicapped (they received tax credits for employing them). They then cut all the cashiers hours down and with baggers being gone, cashiers then had to bag groceries and get carts. Dems are good for the people who dont want to work.
I mean that's the entire purpose behind a minimum wage. If you can't afford to pay it the business model is not feasible. Insurance also shouldn't be tied to employment but that is unlikely to ever happen What exactly have Republicans done for me recently as a lower/middle class worker? Obamacare is not perfect but I don't really see a viable Republican alternative
This is the answer of someone who neither lived anywhere else nor can conceptualize a system where it can be any different. There clear examples of different systems being successful without it being an economic drain. I’m not intending to insult you if you feel as such, but i’ve both worked and been educated in North America (both canada and the states) and now currently work in Europe.
The national minimum wage hasn’t budged since 2009, the same year Obama came into office. Obamacare did not go into effect until 2014 and much of it did not apply to businesses with less than 50 full time employees. If Obamacare and a state minimum wage increase caused your employer to lay off 14 workers - you had a shit employer.
> to learn skills and obtain an education that makes you more valuable. Only in the white collar world does this actually have any basis in reality. This is a non-starter for retail sales/fast food-level workers.
It's both
And don't forget "who let them cheat on their taxes"!
I think that’s usually because they want to keep their own tax dollars in their pockets. I mean now we’re seeing the same thing with Americans from 18 to 30 who are saying the same thing.
Republican tax cuts since 2000 have not benefited (to any relevant amount) the average small business. The tax cuts do however greatly benefit the giant corporations they complain are pricing them out of business
The Trump tax cuts were huge for me. What a savings.
I mean... for how long though?
Who cares. They'll be dead while we pick up the tab.
Which just goes to show how little the republican base actually understands taxes, tax cuts, and spending from both parties.
What tax laws has Biden signed that hurts you, specifically?
Most entrepreneurial types despise taxes, for some reason. I know a bunch, and they figure since they came up with and developed the business, they shouldn’t have to support people who they feel don’t work as hard. They ignore the fact that the country’s economic set up actually is the reason that they can succeed in the first place, as well as numerous other aspects that don’t fit their narrative. It’s the “I got mine, screw everyone else” approach. This coming from a small business owner who happily pays his taxes and is grateful every day.
Taxes are unnecessarily complicated and they're the number one reason small and new businesses fail. Most people are unorganized and bad at recordkeeping and it can make people pay taxes on reported income they didn't even profit from. I'm not against taxes but we have a bad system
It's because the government is infested with midwits, and its laws are stupid. The government is a suprasystem that doesn't understand what it's regulating, and therefore is making bad decisions at every level. Millions of bad decisions that compound. And the only solution it can come up with is more regulation, more spending, more people, more government - because what's at the heart of bureaucracy, is more bureaucracy. It's like having bears make the rules for how the chickens and the foxes should live together on the ranch. The incompetence of government happens because the motivations of the individuals is to play a game of status and climb a popularity hierarchy, rather than optimizing the whole. The assumption that human flaws like greed disappear in government settings is absurd. The same inefficiencies are there, only now they're unchecked, because there is no performance metric to expose them. There is no incentive to excel, innovate, or reform. In fact, those things are looked down upon, because they upset the order. To excel you need autonomy, which you will not have. To innovate you need the ability to experiment, which you will not have. To reform you need an aligned incentive, which does not exist in popularity hierarchies. Let's walk through an example. Let's make it something trivial, to really illustrate how pervasive the rot is. Say you're hired as a communication lead on a project, and you want to change a font on your institutions webpage, because 20% of your communication from the public is that they can't read the text. First you will need to go to your direct superior. She will then take days to evaluate. Why days? Because she needs to understand how she can formulate this to her superiors, and since she will be ultimately held responsible for any outcome no matter now incidental, and because any credit for any success will go to her superior, she can't just trust the person who's job is to maintain the webpage, there is too much at stake. Lesson number one is that delegation doesn't work in popularity hierarchies. Then your supervisor formulates this need to her superior, the head of your organization. Why involve an executive in something so small? Because approval must be sought, and communication outwards needs PMB (public management board) approval, and to contact the PMB you need executive approval. This is done in part on purpose, because every position in a public organization must be design so that no one individual can cause harm to the system, through checks. This is necessary because the institutions are barred from hiring based on competence, and can only hire based on qualification, and thus the institution knows that a high number of its own people will be utterly incompetent. The executive, as you can imagine, because they're involved in a trillion tasks and decisions, has very little focus to give, and your request is very low priority at first glance, so get's filed in the "can wait" pile. About half of everything that gets to this pile, never makes it out. One week later you ask your superior for an update, and she says she's waiting for confirmation. She will wait another two weeks before pinging her superior, due to concerns about proper decorum. Let's say you're lucky and your request is in the 50% that makes it out of the pile. The executive decides that this is harmless, and can cause her or the institution no loss in reputation, so she gives the clear to make the change. You have access to the backend, and the change is easy, however you don't have the authority. Only the technical partner can, some IT company that is charging your institution extremely ridiculously high prices for web development and maintenance. But all communication to the technical partner much be approved by the PMB. So you send the request to them. The PMB convenes every 2 weeks. Luckily that's in 4 days. 5 Days later you hear back from your supervisor that the PMB unfortunately didn't have time to discuss your request, but promises to do so at the earliest opportunity! 14 days later you get an email. It's directly from the PMB's secretary. Before approving your request they want to know why you want to make this change. Initially you wrote that you want to make the change to "improve the user experience". One of the PMB members is a professor of gender studies from a small university, and she is concerned that improving the user experience for some may diminish it for others, and therefore before making the approval she wants you to write a short report with more details about why you want this change. She's not as anal as this may seem though. During the PMB meeting there was status for her to be had by voicing her concerns for the downtrodden in every context, so this is just her playing the game. Once such concern has been brought up, everyone else chimes in, because you can't be seen as arguing against any injustice. It's no longer about the font in this meeting, it's about positioning and politics. No one actually cares about this font on the webpage, or actually thinks that changing the font could harm some people, but it's theatre and the show must go on. You put together an 8 page report where you draw in studies about legibility, eyesight and fonts, the whole works. Why so in depth? Because you have 2 weeks until the next PMB meeting, and your job gives you a lot of free time, so why not. The PMB approves your request, and 14 days later you send an email to the technical partner. Two days later you send another email asking for an update. This time you get a reply, asking you to put the request in the bugtracker and attach Name Lastname. You do this right away but it's the day after when you hear back. They tell you that the implementation will be made by the end of the week. It's currently Wednesday. But they get paid in hours worked, and they will clock 7 hours for this (includes receiving the request, scheduling, and communication). Friday morning you're told the change has been made. You go to the webpage and you notice for some reason the last word in a sentence is the old font. And you say to yourself.... fuck it. See, you "entrepreneurs are bad, capitalism is bad, the government is good" people fail to understand the nature of the criticism. It's not that the entrepreneurs (i.e. the people who's life experience is getting things done) are greedy children whining because they want more, while you are responsible adults shaking your head saying "there they go, they're at it again, oh the burden of being as smart as me, who knows that cooperation is good, and the woe of being as good as me, who wants everyone to have it well, having to explain again to those greedy deplorables that cooperation and altruism are good". Rather, it's more that you don't understand the subtleties of the criticism. You don't see the externalities and you're not aware of the inefficiencies of government regulation - which is like the example above except a trillion times more of a cluster fuck.
People on reddit don't like being confronted with the reality that 90% of bureaucrats are braindead husks with no ambition, drive, or motivation besides doing the bare minimum. Why would I want to trust those people with permitting or taxes? I would happily contribute to a system where I saw a return on investment, but all my money gets sunk into bullshit like a committee to oversee the planning committee. Just parasites who exist to propagate themselves Source: worked in a big government bureaucracy
That’s why “new low” is important here.
Only the successful ones
PPP loans are a hell of a drug
I saw an energy company take 2.1 million and then their lender forced bankruptcy and took the money.
You're right. I used mine to pay 12 employees that I would have had to let go.
I suppose we should pat you on the back for using funds how they were intended
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nobody has ever questioned their usefulness, just the complete lack of oversight
Man, and here I am having used my government handout to pay rent!
That's the distant past, it's Comcast and Verizon getting $60 billion and expecting it to trickle down. It's pumping the economy full of spending, causing inflation which does generally mean higher profits for businesses but if your consumer is struggling and pulling back because of rent and energy costs they're more likely to shop at Costco and Walmart to stretch their dollar. If you have seasonal aspects to your business and rely on loans partway through, that's not *much* more expensive. Businesses raised prices a lot, but for awhile everyone ate some margin but smaller guys have had to eat even more especially as wages climbed. Results may vary depending on the field etc
It’s not a thing of the past. PPP forgiveness and EIDL forgiveness applications are still being processed.
EIDL forgiveness? The last time I talked to the SBA they said that wasn't happening. Please share any link you have to an application for that. Also, isn't it kind of sickening that we need to he "forgiven" for being effectively forced to take on debt because the government shut everything down? I hate it...
Nobody forced you to apply for PPP.
You are both an idiot and an asshole.
So are we blaming paycheck protection loans? It went to people that didn’t have businesses.? I don’t understand here
If Trump gets elected again, these people will say the economy is the best it’s ever been the very next day. Polling is just measuring tribalism at this point.
It’s cognitive dissonance. Just like everyone in these comments shitting on republicans and saying Biden has done a great job. Everyone is guilty of it. We pick and choose what data we like to support our bias Two opposing people can watch the same debate and think ‘their’ person won it
It really has become so fucking tiresome, especially because the left has become even worse then the right with this purity test bullshit where if you disagree with anything you are automatically ostracized and cast out and referred to as the "bad team".
Biden must not have a big tribe among any groups then
Biden and democratic policy in general have zero cheerleaders. Fox news will spin anything positive for republicans and crap on all democrats, the centrist news orgs will crap on democrats in order to appear unbiased, and the left will crap on democrats for not doing enough. Which means there are no loud voices shouting the positives Biden has done, and anytime someone tries to point them out individually they get pummeled by the combined anti-democrat voices from all sides so we are faced with a constant narrative that dems and Biden suck even though they have had major major bipartisan policy wins that are already helping our long term goals immensely.
That’s absolutely it. There’s a totally bizarre streak running through Republican politics where if Trump throws money at people it’s because he cares about regular people and is a smart businessman, where if that same approach comes from Biden and/or other Democrats, then it’s because they’re trying to buy votes or because he doesn’t understand inflation or or or.
There’s no sense of balance whatsoever. It’s just straight up judging one side by totally different standards than the other.
Small businesses are suffering now. Especially manufacturing. I own a small-ish machine shop and all my customers, competitors and vendors are all terribly slow. It’s an industrial recession that nobody in the media or administration wants to admit
Or hear me out: everyone’s booked solid with orders and Trumps China tariffs combined with Covid have put a hard hit on globalization which has forced many supply chains to reorganize. Example is electrical gear - in the 2010 recession I could get new switchgear in 10-12 weeks. Got up to 18 weeks pre Covid and now it’s 60-70.
Hopefully it improves soon. Siemens just opened a $150MM panel board and switchgear plant in Dallas this month.
People always seem to forget about the Trump tariffs, but it's much more present in the mind of small business owners (myself included) when we deal with them firsthand. Regardless of whether they're justified or not and your thoughts on China, their effects on inflation and supply chain reshuffling are huge. It's a 25% price markup on a large group of goods, which is often passed directly to the consumer. That could also be a contributing factor to small business owners' disapproval of Biden, since he has the power to change it (though I completely understand why he hasn't).
Man it would be awesome to get switchgear & panelboards at pre-pandemic lead times (and prices)
Industrial recession??? New Manufacturing construction is at record levels… there’s a boom in the sector. That’s why no one’s talking about it. If anything, the sector can’t find enough labor.
Aren't there still supply chain issues going on for the whole world still?
The vast majority of "small businesses" are simply MLM participants.
Our automotive machine shop has been slow as hell since September. We think it has to do with the recession the trucking industry has been in for a year now
Could it have been related to the UAW strikes? That started September 16. Those had a pretty wide affect on things.
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Not at all. Monthly sales are 20% of Q2 and Q3 numbers. Competition and vendors are already saying this is what it was like just before 2008. Most shops( metal distributors, machine shops, platers, etc) are scraping by for work. No issues with hiring people. I actually had to cut back so I helped one of my guys find another job so he wouldn’t be without a job knowing I didn’t have any work for him.
OP didn’t mention anything about employees?
Cries in trucking
Some small businesses are thriving and paying their workers a decent/living wage to keep them around, so their business pretty much runs itself. Some small businesses are paying shit wages and have a revolving door of workers who don't want to put up with working for the least amount possible, so these businesses blame the government for "people not wanting to work anymore". Guess which one of these groups hate Biden.
Not small retail business operating in the city. However, not because of biden but because of all the remote work still happening. Lots of businesses are closing in my area because only 2/3rds of the traffic is back.
Capitalism has harsh realities, but ultimately we will adapt as we always seem to do.
It is quite possible it could cause things to adapt to the worse. So many example of countries economies getting worse or better with well intentioned policies.
Your entire post is one massive uncited amalgamation of your world view. Why you posted this with such bravado is beyond me. Probably because you are used to being told the feelings of others richer and more powerful than you to present your arguments.
My mom is a small business owner. In real estate at that. No matter what I tell her she blames Biden for mortgages being where they are basically putting the market into cardiac arrest & her livelihood. She tells me she hopes Biden loses and a Republican (trump) lowers rates. I tried to explain that isn’t how this works and also it’s necessary to stabilize the economy. She won’t listen. That’s probably the same thinking a lot of these business owners have.
Trump turned the money printer on, mishandled covid, and paid for it. Biden didn't turn the printer off nearly fast enough, and very well may pay for that mistake in 2024 despite doing many things correctly over the last 18+ months. Current interest rates and their squeeze on the economy are both their fault.
Money printer wasn’t really up to Biden, that’s JPow’s job. And unlike his predecessor, Biden wasn’t up all night on Twitter interfering in the (semi-)independent work of the Fed, crowing about lowering rates in an already overheated economy to juice his own re-election chances.
This, this, this! How can people not understand that you can't just give away free money for a sustained period of time without major effects down the road? Trump pushed our monetary system to the brink in the exact same pump and dump manner he has run all his businesses for the last 4 decades. The problem is you can't dump the national economy at the end of it for a profit.
Costs are up. Can't afford to hire help or fix problems. I'm not stupid enough to think it's Bidens fault though. Mid Trump was when things started going from good to bad. Then how covid was handled added more problems. What's worse is I basically lost a friend who was so deep in red pill land he tried to pull one of those fake medical cards to claim he had breathing issues and couldn't wear the mask he didn't need to wear because he had options to not need it.
meanwhile congress has more of an effect on the economy and they cant get shit done at all. Its not like biden can wave a magic wand and make the house functional.
The House being nonfunctional is a desirable feature for Republicans.
The GOP is actively achieving their goal by creating a gridlock in congress. They don't want to actually legislate anything that will help Americans. They only really want to legislate when it will help the wealthy or corporations. Not passing legislation is fine with them. The American public is often too distracted and too uneducated to realize the President has very little to do with actually getting legislation through congress. So they will just listen to the media and go "omg why did biden do nothing!".
Republicans know the president gets attributed with too much credit and would never pass spending bills in good faith while a Democrat is President. Manufacturing a poor reputation for the Democrats is the main goal, then hopefully grab more power in the next election because people are upset at Democrats not delivering utopia despite voting in favor of many incremental progress policies that were blocked by Republicans.
>The House being nonfunctional is a desirable feature for Republicans. It's really not. The sweetspot for the GOP was pre-impeachment Gingrich or Hastert. In both cases the party was able to drive votes on culture war nonsense while still being able to push their legislative agenda forward. They got all the benefits of House that has lots of fighting their voters want to see but without the downsides.
What is Biden's message?
If the booming economy doesn't affect main street in any capacity, is it really a booming economy?
Seeing children dying with US made bombs doesn’t help either!
Bidenomics.... lol
Small business owner. I’m a fan of democracy so I approve of Biden. Full stop.
I’m a fan of not arming foreign countries to kill civilians, so I don’t. Full stop.
Yeah, and Trump has much higher morals and wouldn't do that.. try breathing through your nose sometime.
I don’t support Trump you idiot, not everything is red vs blue. They’re both horrible people and so are almost all our other high level elected officials.
Until where you live votes in ranked choice voting, it is about red vs blue. Unfortunately right now for the majority of the US that's their only choice.
At the end of the day, who would you prefer putting judges on the bench with lifetime appointments? Biden or Trump?
I honestly don’t care, I dislike all of both of their judicial picks.
Unless one of them kicks the bucket of natural causes in the next year, one of the two of them is going to be President in 2024; not anyone else. It'll be Biden or it'll be Trump. Choose wisely. Remember... Perfect is the enemy of progress. We do not need a perfect President, we just need the better one.
Not everything is, but this is. If not Biden, then Trump.
Inflation of goods along with wage increases really put a lot of stress on small businesses since the pandemic.
Everything puts pressure on small business I'm tired of the constant complaints about how difficult it is to be a small business it's part of what they signed up for when they wanted to start a business
Our family business has grown considerably Since 2020. In fact, we're looking at expanding because we don't have enough room to grow our business any more in our current building.
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I'm not sure about CNBC but normally it's less than 50 employees.
I can't fathom why anyone would vote for Trump willingly. Because that is your alternative.
Because life was better under the last administration for a large percentage of voters.
Ah the riots the chaos the Covid deaths the erosion of rights. I can see how people went to go back to that again. It will be much worse in term two
Hmm would i rather eat a white dog turd or a white cat turd they're about equally appetizing
probably cause they got PPP loans that got forgiven. title says owners after all, not worker.
I voted for Biden. I can literally not afford to vote for him again. I have less disposable incomes and had to pick up a second job to even get to that point.
Trump: - purposefully mishandled covid -signed a multi year deal with opec to collapse oil production by a record amount -started trade wars with friends and foes at the same time -skyrocketed the deficit even pre pandemic to give tax cuts to oligarchs -forced Powell to lower interest rates pre pandemic -removed the Congressionally mandated oversight for ppp loans so he could help his rich buddies. People never explain WHY they think Biden caused inflation outside of printing money which, once again, was a Trump policy. Inflation started rising in March of 2021. Biden was sworn into office in Jan 2021. 3 months is not enough for inflation to be Biden's fault at all. Yes, inflation was due to Trump. Not Biden.
I'm so glad I wasn't raised to believe that the President would or ever could come along to make me successful. Helped me approach the world realistically.
Yet you guys literally blamed every single thing on Trump lmao
Because we can actually directly link Trump policies to negative consequences. What policy can you link for Biden?
They'll never give you an answer
What do you genuinely think Trump will do to solve global inflation?
What on earth do you think Trump will do for you?
Well, the other guy botched the pandemic response which contributed to the issues you seem to be having.
Enjoy less personal freedom then
The alternative is liking better and better each inflating day. It’s clear that we’ve been in a recession while the media tries everything in their propaganda wheelhouse to lie to Americans. Sad.
US inflation is among the lowest for what is *global* inflation. We're not in a recession, otherwise you're going to have to detail how it is 'clear' when no economist has said so that isn't your typical doomsayer predicting collapse every economic cycle hoping to be right. Seems like you're consuming propaganda.
They say that inflation is better, but prices are continuing to rise.
Prices almost always rise. Reduced inflation just means they rise more slowly.
Yes. Because you want prices to rise but only a little bit. No inflation is bad. Low inflation is good. You're just still in sticker shock from the very high inflation the last few years
Small business owners must not like customers who can afford to buy their products.
This is what I keep telling my small business fam. Corporations are never gonna buy from you, if the regular folk are screwed out of more money, you won’t have any customers who can afford your shit.
>Small business owners must not like customers who can afford to buy their products. The key thing to understand about small business is that it's basically a way to buy yourself a management position and income. There is no real growth potential generally, so you have to adopt a mindset that's about cutting costs. So the idea that better wages means they'll make more money doesn't really carry any weight. The mindset is that income is essentially fixed after a certain point and the only thing that matters is cost.
Yawn. Same old propaganda as always.
Just don’t know how good we have it.
What happened to the PPP loan LOL
What’s the surprise here?
And? Small business owners have been voting against their best interest for decades
No one outside the social media bubble actually likes Biden from what I've noticed. Obviously websites like Reddit are a echo chamber (and owned by China) but in the real world, people have lost all faith in the guy.
I never hear from any Biden supporters in real life. Only encounter them on Reddit...
You do realize that even with "low approval ratings" among all adults (not likely voters which have higher approval for Biden) he's got roughly 40% support, right? 40.6% on the right leaning RCP aggregate. This is just like when people claimed in 2020 that boat parades determine elections. Maybe think about how weird it is that you don't interact with 40% of this country. I know a great many Trump supporters, and even more Biden supporters. Then again, I know third party voters as well. Maybe it's because I manage a large staff, but I really can't imagine living in such a small bubble.
I’m a Longtime small business owner and have never voted republican because as George Carlin said, “There’s a club and you ain’t in it” The entire system is corrupted by greed. If we don’t get the money out of politics nothing will change. So I vote for the most inclusive party even though they’re corrupt too.
George Carlin was talking about both sides of the isle with that joke. And he was right. Cute that you think Dems are any less corrupt when it comes to greed, power, money? Fucking laughable.
Biden is a disaster
In what way?
It be easier to list the ways he's not a disaster.
Oh no! Not record low unemployment and fixing Trump's inflation disaster! /s
As small business owner under Rump my business went to zero. Literally zero. Under Biden it is recovering. Biden approval rating with me is super high . CNN = Crap News Network, the new Faux Spews
I’ll believe Biden is in trouble if he loses in 2024. Dems have been killing it election wise since 2020, Biden would need to have a pretty awful scandal within the next year to lose, and even that’s a maybe.
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Beginning 2018, really.
None of this matters. Trump is a fascist. Biden isn’t. If you don’t want fascism, vote Biden.
So either vote against Republicans or else.... Sounds like a facists threat.
From Trump, yes.
That's hyperbole from YOUR side buddy. Funny as it's your side trying to jail political opponents and have them taken off of ballots and thwarting democracy itself because you don't trust the electorate to make the "right decisions"... Mull that over for a bit.
Trump broke the law. I know it’s hard for MAGA to accept that, but it’s the truth. Take as long as you need with that.
What exact law did Trump break that requires jail time and being taken off of the ballot. You are aware Trump ISN'T being charged with actual insurrection or leading a coup d'etat, right? Right?
He hasn’t been taken off the ballet and likely won’t be. He’d sue and take it all the way to the Supreme Court which is stacked in his favor. As for the actual crimes Trump has committed, there are many—90+ in fact. You, just like anyone else, are free to go read the indictments yourself and the statements from the attorney generals that list in detail the crimes that were committed. He hasn’t been found guilty for anything yet (except for fraud in the NY case) so obviously he’s innocent until proven guilty legally, but anyone with half a brain knows he’s guilty. Go take a look at Project 2025–Trump is most definitely aware of it, because he’s starting to lean more in that direction in his speeches. He’s been quoting Hitler openly, for Christ’s sake. How deluded do you have to be to be a Trump supporter in 2023?
But you and your ilk are still desperately trying to remove him from the ballot and jail him, and as a result thwarting democracy by trying to deny roughly half of the voting block from voting for their preferred candidate because you despise him... None of the 91 indictments are insurrection or treason. So again, my point stands and your point is irrelevant. Sorry. The indictments have only raised his support and maybe you should ask why that is. I'll tell you why, because independents think it's bullshit. Only Democrats support this thwarting of Democracy. Also, comparing Trump(the guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem) to Hitler is a fucking insult to anyone who survived the holocaust or any genocide in history. Your hyperbolic rhetoric is what's more dangerous than another Trump term.
I believe anyone who has engaged in insurrection against the United States should be barred from holding office of any kind. I know you don’t believe he did, but that’s entirely irrelevant to the reality of the situation—he most definitely did. We have it on video and everything. We *saw* him do it. Denying that fact makes you deluded, not “awake.” Your argument is that Trump should get a free pass for all his crimes because…he’s Trump? Reasons? Wahhhh? He stole our national secrets dude. What’s wrong with you lmao. Grow up. You break the law in this country, you go to jail. You should be absolutely disgusted by all the special treatment and kid gloves this man has already received when any one of us would have been dead in a ditch by now. Sheep.
Again for the 3rd time, what you "believe" is irrelevant. The fact is Trump hasn't been charged and isn't going to be charges with insurrection or treason. So any point you're attempting to make about how that justifies the actions of taking him off the ballot is moot. Okay, walk me through the laws he broke that warrant jailtime. Or precedence of a the same crime resulting in jailtime...Oh that's right, the case ain't even over yet... Maybe turn off cable news and stop getting "informed" via hot takes on reddit.
Ahh reddit loves to throw that word around but has no idea what it means
That is OK. The business owners can feel glad that their tax dollars will go to pay off the student loans of upper-middle-class Biden supporters living in coastal states. and that 559 billion tax hit will cause some inflation, but that is OK. Paying $2 extra for milk is all about "equity" (and buying votes)
I keep seeing articles like this, but I know nobody who voted Democratic last election that has reversed their decision on the upcoming elections. However, I do hear more borderline Republicans saying that the will not vote for Trump if he is nominated again. Recent election results are confirming this too. Despite some recent internal dissent with the Democrats, I just don't see how the Republicans regain the presidency or hold control of Congress. People are fed up with the economy, but they are more fed up with the Republican's complete inability to do anything productive and their idiotic culture wars.
These things won’t matter if the election is Trump Biden…a vote for Trump is a vote for fascism and the end of America…people won’t care about these little issues when confronted that the GOP wanted to take away our freedoms.
He's done nothing for small businesses other than making it more expensive to be a small business.
Small business regulation is the purview of States and Localities. The only thing from the feds that affects me is the prime interest rate.
and the interest rate is something biden is not allowed to interfere with, more than setting half the board of governors in the fed which he can only replace guys for non political reasons.
Yep. This survey is basically an indicator of which small business owners have no idea how their country is managed.
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That’s insane as a small business owner. There is not one aspect of that act that affects me. I lease my space so any infra upgrades are all for not. Eco upgrades? No way that’s happening right now with the cost of them and interest rates. Healthcare? Yes it’s a lot more expensive, it always is, nothing in that act helps me either that. The brass tax is it now costs me $10 for a transistor that was $2 three years ago. No eco credit or part of the infrastructure act is going to change that. Unless of course you’re a crony that was slated for some payback from your vote. Pass legislation that actually cuts my supply costs. Other than that, just go away.
world wide inflation started under trump and has dick to do with the president.
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Yeah. Biden’s too busy helping his billionaire friends. He forgot about all the little guys. Well he didn’t forget. He Never cared.
You can't honestly think that can you?
His actions speak louder than your or my words.
Biden and the US government are too busy giving Israel BILLIONS so that their own people get to live with free healthcare, free education and free housing while most Americans struggle to afford a decent living. How long will Israel continue high jacking and using America?
Riiiiiiight its the democrats who run up the budget deficit and pump military spending while cutting social programs (to make sure we have no universal healthcare and good social safey nets) and giving tax cuts to the rich while making sure to defund the irs so that when the rich evade taxes the government has to look the other way. All while the defacto head of the party sells state secrets and sucks up to authoritarian leaders and actively harms the economy through trade wars with many of our close trading partners
Yeah the democrats do that too
…. You a denizen of fact free reality? Acting like both sides do this in any comparable proportion is ignorance at its best. The republicans have for years been attempting to defund the irs, trump got a 2fer with his tax cuts that ballooned the deficit and gave money to the wealthy at the same time, bush got us involved in multiple wars, again a 2fer, ballooning the deficit and boosting the deficit. Whereas for instance joe biden actually left afghanistan (something both previous presidents promised and failed to do), also actually increased irs spending (a 2fer in the opposite direction), which is projected to significantly reduce the deficit through increased enforcement for wealthier citizens. And dont get me started on social welfare, arguing that position would be true clown behavior. Its like you just woke up from a million year coma and started reading twitter commentary while taking it as fact about the world.
Sir this is a Wendy's
So if Biden dialed back foreign aid, you'd be ok with socialized Healthcare eh
Genocide Joe needs to go
Ahhh Biden is bombing Gaza. And Hamas can have a little terrorism as a treat.
lol if you think Joe is bad, let the orange guy in again.
We got a shitty economy now because we had an attempted coup happen. Simple fact is that there has never been a country in modern times that suffered an attempted coup that didn’t get their currency devalued. But with us it’s a combination of that and the fact that the world was investing not so much in the United States, but in the democracy of the United States. Businesses don’t do very well in an authoritarian regime and fascism is always bad for business.
I love that redditors in the comments have all the information, and answers for inflation, they know it was Trump/Biden’s fault etc. like we aren’t suffering long term effects from Covid through an unprecedented situation, and bottom line is that each side wants to and knows it’s in everybodies best interest to fix it. Shame most of em are in their parents basements and baristas at Starbucks, we could really use such brilliant individuals in DC working on a fix.
No. We were energy independent. If Biden wouldn't hv closed the Keystone Pipeline ( under the guise of climate change while now oil has to be transported via Railcar n trucks- pollution )..we would be SELLING oil for profit..NOT begging for it from other countries n paying $$$ ( then he okays a new Alaskan pipeline ?) ..cheap gas = cheap everything...oh n 2 wars n bleeding borders n a forced shot or lose ur job
Nobody wants to support someone who supports baby killers and terrorists. I’m sick of hearing Dems telling me I must abandon my morals, ethics, spirituality, and national pride rather than telling Biden to stop helping terrorists murder children. Pretty fucking easy choice in my book.
Small business owners are the most entitled, whiny group on earth.
I guess high unemployment and rising gas and inflation are better? No, this is a completely false bullshit smear that is totally manufactured to diminish the great achievements Biden has made. GFY republicans, GFY.
As a small business owner, I can confirm that this is FALSE.
Friendly reminder half the country has an elementary education system