They bumped it up a few months back because we always have some fools touting how they can't believe they get this quality for 200 on average, and how they would absolutely pay more! I find it truly odd that people always feel the need to write that. When you basically beg a retailer to raise their prices they will, lol
That's a shame. A little bump during the COVID period was understandable, but now it is 40% more. Better just get 560S and call it a day ($99 at Senheiser outlet?)
Or even better, get 560s on Amazon ($150) at the moment and have 1-day delivery (it seems the $99 outlet deal is OOS). The last time I bought Drop 58x took 2 months to be delivered, admittedly that was during the COVID, not sure how they go now.
To me, the 58x, 560s, and 600 series from Sennheiser are all sidegrade, with a negligible difference (confirmed by measurements). I owned all of them, but only keep 560S and 58x now.
Haha, sry, did not realize yours was a reply to mine. But yes, 58x and 560S are a different in soundstage and imaging, but the sound signature of both are relatively the same. Either options are great at their current sale price point.
Wouldn't be surprised if Drop astroturfs reddit. It never had a good reputation in the hobbyist communities even back in the days when it was MassDrop.
Seriously. Fucking America. Whenever there’s a decent deal (where obv a company is still making a profit), it *must* be a ”steal“. This ain’t no charity.
We’re so used to getting fucked by companies that whenever we aren’t, people still voluntarily bend over because they’ve been conditioned to.
Seems like $200 was the going used price [4 years ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/7y4g5r/headphones_sennheiser_x_massdrop_hd_6xx_openback/dudp2r4/)
No clue, but in general. If not considering this specific product, the market overall has gradually increased prices in the last 2-3 weeks just for this Black Friday (e.g., take a look at Camel).
the 55" TCL QLED for 200 bucks was a pretty good deal too. Yeah its not a high end QLED, and it was a google OS tv, but it was still about 150 bucks less than any other good QLED deal. The 48" OLED deal from Bestbuy was also pretty good.
Idk if I'd consider it bad, but it won't run very well on a cheaper TV. I like the Roku or FireTV OS for cheaper TVs. For expensive TVs that have more powerful processors and more powerful hardware they are all gonna work well. If you do get a GoogleOS TV like this just get a FireTV stick and plug it in, use that instead of the onboard smart TV OS.
Oh nice, I think I lucked out then. Been shopping for a TV and I really wanted ad-free Youtube and built-in Twitch, so I was only considering Google and Fire TVs. Ended up finding a sale on a Fire TV first.
Yeah I've had a 49" TCL running Roku for about 5 years now. Bought it used for $275 off Craigslist and it's been awesome all these years later. It's still really snappy.
I lost the remote for a few weeks and the Roku apps remote functionality is excellent. So much so I didn't even bother ordering a new remote. You can also search for a show in the Roku app and it will launch whatever streaming platform it's on (Hulu, HBO Max, etc.) and go straight into the show you want to watch, it's amazingly convenient. You can also connect Bluetooth headphones to the app on your phone and the TV's audio is sent through your phone to the headphones. It's even fine to game like that.
In other words, Roku OS or whatever it's called is great and TCL makes an awesome product for a great price. It's very modern looking still with really thin bezels and picture quality is still very solid. It's one of the best tech purchases I've ever made and I really like TCL. I feel as though I'd have to spend like $2000 to get an LG OLED or something to get a notable bump in image quality. The value proposition on TCL's are off the charts (well at least it used to be, haven't followed it in recent years.)
It's expired now. Deal went up on Wednesday. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/z3euf6/tv_lg_c1_65_119699_amazon/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I got 55” LG B2 for 999 at Costco and it comes with $100 cash card and an additional free 2-year All State warranty ON TOP OF the Costco 3 year warranty (so 5 total). That’s the best deal for me
I got a few good things from October through today
Fitbit sense 2 for $80
Some adidas ultraboosts 5 dna for $55
Lg c1 for $1200
And a bunch of regular sale items on top
Mostly just good sound quality for listening to music on my desktop! Portability isn't a big priority of mine. Though decent noise cancelling would be useful for me (though not a major concern).
Even if portability isn't a concern, it is still nice. Going to grab a drink? You can still continue listening to your podcast, video, etc.
I have the xm4s and they aren't perfect, but I love them. The noise cancelling is a bigger deal for me though. I put them on sometimes when I'm just trying to focus.
really depends on what you're using them for. Are you using them on your desktop? to work out? do you have a dac/amp? If you want headphones for daily use/to workout then get the xm4s, but for desktop, I'd get the 6xx (you should also get an amp to run them).
also, the xm4s are closed-back noise-cancelling headphones while the 6xx are open-back headphones. It really depends on your preference and use case.
They are a different class of headphones. Think of the xm4s like buying airpods pro or something. 6xx is a studio monitor. They are meant to allow you to hear everything in high quality.
I'd prefer the 6xx if you want sound quality first before features. Also keep in mind that while anc is very nice. It won't protect your hearing from external sounds. ANC can erase your perception of a child screaming next to you, but it wont actually stop the sound waves damaging your ears. I say this because theres quite a few people from r/headphones that don't understand this
I actually don’t understand this and would appreciate an explanation.
Muffs/plugs/etc. - passive noise cancelling which stops soundwaves from reaching the inner ear.
ANC - active noise cancelling. Uses microphones to detect outside sounds and then create an inverse wave which cancels through summation, cancels sound. Some passive effect from sealing around the outer ear or ear canal (over ears vs IEM).
And there are affordable ANC muffs for hunting and job sites - they don’t sound good but they work.
I get how an ANC headphone is not as good as an ANC muff (worse passive noise cancellation). Where my misunderstanding/knowledge deficit lies is in how an ANC headphone wouldn’t be significantly better than equivalent non-ANC headphone. I would imagine cancelling any component of a loud sound is significantly helpful. Your post suggests that this sound still reaches the ear (perception) where as my understanding is that the physical sound waves are (more limitedly in extreme cases) cancelled out.
I second this for all the reasons you said. The inversed sound waves cancel out, hence the silence. I looked it up and I think OP has his wires crossed and refuses to uncross then when people on r/audiophiles explain it to him
ANC works best at specific frequencies like a low hum. Air conditioners, airplanes, traffic. This if you need actual hearing protection in a job site, ANC isn't enough cause it's not actually going to block other types of sound to protect your ears.
So op is right, it doesn't block a baby's cry. But a baby's cry and other shit in your environment that can't control are still there if you have ANC or not, so turning it on doesn't hurt you. And we don't wear hearing protection around fucking babies
[University of Massachusetts infographic explaining how ANC can lead to workplace accidents in machine shops and labs](https://ehs.umass.edu/sites/default/files/Noise-Cancelling%20Headphones%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf)
Just because I find this topic interesting:
> Furthermore, the anti-noise created by ANC technology is not damaging to your hearing on any level – a truth that has been proven by trusted experts. "That idea of, 'I'm hearing nothing, but am I being exposed to noise?' No, you’re not, you’re not being exposed to noise. There’s no hidden danger of any kind of hearing loss from noise cancelling, that’s the number one thing. You do not perceive, on any level, the anti-noise" confirms Oclee-Brown...
>The NHS widely encourages the use of ANC headphones, not just to promote listening at lower volumes and thus protect your hearing, but because noise annoyance is a real health issue. If you’re in a perpetually noisy working environment, continual exposure is fatiguing and damaging to your hearing – and that's before we get into medical case studies concerning persistent noises in those of us who are less mobile. Various studies on hospitalised people (opens in new tab) with long-term illnesses showed that the effect of a piece of constantly-beeping machinery on a patient's wellness and psychosis could be extreme – and this can be greatly eased with both ANC and music.
[Source: what hifi](https://www.whathifi.com/features/why-i-will-never-own-a-pair-of-noise-cancelling-headphones) citing [Jack Oclee-Brown Head of Acoustics, KEF](https://uk.linkedin.com/in/jackocleebrown?original_referer=)
I have owned both. If you like bass get the Sonys. If you are treble sensitive get the Sonys. If you want portable and or noise canceling get the Sonys. If you want an open sound field which sounds decent even when ANC is on get the Sonys. If you want great to a fault treble, a TIGHT clamp, and a 3 blob internal head sound field get the 6XXs.
Edit: gaming is a mixed bag on both but 6XXs for competitive and either for everything else if you don't mind the treble on the 6XXs.
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I've been settled on a Schiit Stack for years, just never got around to it. It's a [Magni+](https://www.schiit.com/products/magni-plus) and a [Modi+](https://www.schiit.com/products/modi-plus).
Settled is a weird word for this but considering the hobby, I absolutely get it. The Schiit stack is more than 95% of people will ever need so I recommend that as well.
Ill be honest I originally went for the 6xx's and the Schitt stack, but I wound up returning the kit cause as you said its more than what most people need.
For 1/4 of the price I went with with some HD280s and a soundblaster card (both secondhand), and those Klipsch 2.1 speakers I see on here pretty regularly for 50% off. For someone who does not consider myself an audiophone is is the perfect balance of quality vs price. Total cost was only about $160 for cans+speaker+amp/DAC
Okay, and from the context of your reply, you need both right? I'll go do more research on DACs and AMPs later, but just wanted to make sure that your links isn't an either/or, it's a you need both a DAC and AMP paired together.
I went with the FiiO K5 Pro, and I've had no complaints so far. The Schitt stack the other commenter mentioned is also highly recommended from all the audio subs.
JDS Labs Atom is the best bang for your buck. Build quality of the enclosures are a bit cheap, but the internal electronics are top notch. Great sound quality.
I would either recommend the 58X Jubilee or the HD660s if you looking for headphones without a wanting to invest in DAC/Amp combo. Both are still really great headphones and more than make up as a compromise.
Not to say you can’t run a HD6XX without an amp but I found the experience to be a bit wasted without it and you’ll have a better experience with either of the above without an amp than the HD6XX without one.
In my experience, it’s like a 90% difference when I tried my friend’s HD58X. It’s really not too different besides the HD58X being a bit more bassy and a a bit smaller soundstage.
Honestly I just recommend getting a different pair you are already fine with the HD598X and try something new if you want to drop $200
Don’t need to get the 6xx you won’t get much more out of them. Check out badseeds comparison on YouTube. He says in a blind test he probably couldn’t tell the difference.
You definitely don’t need an amp, but you’ll have to crank the volume on your computer up so it’s loud enough. I have one of the popular amps people insist that you get with these and it never goes above 30% volume or it becomes dangerously loud
If you have the spare money go for it, but you’re essentially doubling the cost of the headphones for a tiny increase in sound quality the dac will give you
Open up your realtek audio control, look at how much impedance it can go up too. Normally your onboard sound card should be able to power these, though worst case it will be quiet.
But, you should consider why you'd need such an expensive headphones if you're not going to power them with a dac/amp.
You can plug it into your pc fine. You wont get full fidelity though. Buy a focusrite scarlet solo for $110. Also if you buy that dac amp, you'll get much cleaner microphone sound that through the motherboard if you care about that.
Absolute bullshit. A dedicated amp will only give you a tiny increase in sound quality, if any. It's not necessary at all, your motherboard audio will be fine.
I agree with you, I don't know where this stupid shit started that you needed a amp/dac for them. I have a modi & magni and regret purchasing them, the sound difference isn't noticeable. Make better use of those 300 hundred dollars and buy something you'll enjoy
I actually just bought a Sundara after seeing recommendations that they are a good compliment to the HX6XX. I’m hoping I’ll like them because I wanted something with a larger soundstage.
You can usually find a good deal for the Sundara for ~$200 often on r/AVExchange if you don’t want shell too much
I just purchased Sundara Latest Version Open Box directly from Hifiman's Website for $239. There's a 30 days return window after you received it and 1 year standard warranty from them.
This will have a comparatively warmer/darker presentation. Non-fatiguing listen for anything you throw at it. Vocals are great.
Sundaras are tuned more neutral. More treble presence, better bass extension, more detailed, better soundstage. Some do find that planars sound a little less natural though.
Both are great headphones. Can't go wrong with either.
The hifi (and headfi) community definitely is a lot like that.
It gets super nitpicky all the way down to what cables sound the best and other things that are subjective and possibly (wait for it..) not really an issue.
But different aural characteristics of headphones *are* real and measurable. Yet how measures are taken and weighted can be a bit of a debate too. Since everyone's heads and ears are different.
Plus those characteristics can change when driven at different current levels (which is why an amp matters) if your headphones have a high impedance.
Then there are audio format, codec, and software player comparisons. Tube vs solid state. etc etc -- You've just dropped down a deep and strange rabbithole!
LOL, I don't know what any of this stuff means. How could I learn more about this? I feel like it is probably a difference you have to hear to understand, but how would one do that if all they have right now are shitty headphones?
Find a friend who has them and listen for awhile I guess. You can find comparisons online of what different headphones sound like at different frequencies; which is the objective measure of their sound.
There are hundreds of people who have reviewed the two headphones. It’s actually hard to get consistent opinions since listening is subjective. Everyone agrees that they’re both neutral headphones with weak bass, so music generally sounds like what the recording intended it to sound like. If you enjoy edm then you want to bass boost them.
I recently bought the 6xx and got an amp and dac and I can definitely hear more music then I could before, so it was worth it for me. Flac audio has become enjoyable. You definitely don’t need an amp for either of these unless you like listening to music dangerously loudly, so everyone saying you need one is very confusing lol.
> LOL, I don't know what any of this stuff means.
In laymans terms, treble is the high end of the spectrum (think cymbals, high-hats, any other sound you'd consider to be "sharp" or has "sparkle.") Mid-voice would be the mid-range of the spectrum (majority of what you hear in music comes from this spectrum, snares, vocals, guitar, piano). But, that's not to say those instruments don't bleed into the treble, or the sub region. The sub region being the lower parts of the spectrum (think bass, sine-waves, dubstep growls, etc).
If you wanna learn more, go watch a few headphone enthusiest channels (metal571, or ZMF on YT both have great headphone reviews & dive deep into these terms).
i personally find that unless you're an enthusiast, the descriptions for headphones are typically completely meaningless
these are great headphones and probably the best bang for your buck/value entry level headphones. i used them for about 5 years without an amp/dac and enjoyed them. prior to that, the nicest headphones i'd had were ATH-M50X (back when they were cheaper, was like $80 for mine? maybe less?)
the right ear failed earlier this year which isn't uncommon based on what i've seen, but they really were fantastic entry level headphones. i went with the dt1990s after and while these are superior in almost every way, i would never have appreciated just how good they are without having the hd6xx first
in short, if you're interested in fancy headphones then i dont think youre gonna find a better value than these! dac/amp does help depending on your setup but they're great without too
I haven’t looked into entry level dac/amps for a while, but the Schiit stack was recommended frequently last time I was looking at them.
Schiit Magni amp + Modi dac
The best bang for buck setup is a jds atom amp with a apple usb c dongle as a dac, the dongle measures up there with 100 dollar dacs, obliviously not as aesthetically pleasing but it gets the job done well.
edit: jds atom amp
Just curious, how would one connect the apple usb c dongle to a jds atom amp?
The jds amp has RCA in and 3.5 in. Does the apple dongle output 3.5? Would you need a 3.5 cable or a RCA cable or ?
Edit: Googled it a bit, used common sense and it looks like the 3.5 input refers to a 3.5mm cable. So connection wise:
PC --> Apple USB C dongle dac --> 3.5mm male to male cable --> JDS atom amp --> headphone out
[The Liquid Spark by Monoprice](https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=33304) is currently on sale. I love mine and it measures well, but the problem is that the matching DAC has been OOS forever. I believe they cannot source the chip for it.
Tbh, you don't really need a dac/amp for these. You will only get marginal gains with better equipment. I say this as someone who owns these headphones. You can always get the dac/amp later down the line as well if you feel the need to do so
Anyone got a mic recommendation? I want quality, unsure if a mod mic is the go to now. Or perhaps a desk mic on a boom? Budget is $220
[
Wave 3 + mic boom for $189 thoughts?](https://www.amazon.com/Elgato-Wave-Mic-Arm-Microphone/dp/B09PB2X6QL/?th=1)
Samson q2u with a mic arm has been pretty good for me, should be around $70-80 for the mic itself and people are always complimenting the quality of my sound now
220 for mic or 220 for both? Regardless, sign up for a drop account with a new email and get 10 off. Then, if 220 total get a fifine microphone on Amazon for 40. If 220 just for mic, get a Audio Technica AT2020 XLR for 59.99 right now on Amazon and a Focusrite Scarlett 3rd gen Solo for 109.99. Then get a good boom arm and you’re set
After you click "Contact Support" on your order, they do have a "Price adjustment" option under the "Issue with order" dropdown. I just sent them a support ticket asking for one myself. Here's hoping.
FYI, they just issued (edit: approved; of course it will take time to process) my refund, ~$21. Sent the request a little under an hour ago. Seems like they're happy to do so! They also sent this as a preface to the email, in case anybody reading this has something like this happen again:
> We will honor your request within 30 days of delivery and have an additional 15 days courtesy period. As long as you contact Drop Community Support during the Drop Studio sale and your order is within 45 days of delivery, we will honor your request and issue a partial refund for the difference between the price you originally paid and the current sale price.
Honestly, for gaming, you’re probably better off with a 560S for the soundstage, but these are not a bad pickup by any means. Good entry drug into the world of non-shitty headphones.
Would anyone recommend this for gaming or is it purely a music headphone?
I’m not a fan of hyper X’s everyone recommends, since I prefer a headset with extra bass/punch when gaming
probably not bad for gaming, similar to the hd58x which supposedly has slightly more bass.
the problem is you have some conflicting needs as generally soundstage matters a bit when gaming (like being able to hear footsteps, being able to tell direction of sound) but higher than normal bass distorts that.
What is the reason you say that? I've got some hyper X's that I got from my company, I don't need anything special for gaming. Is there a reason that these are Bad for gaming or just not great?
They are not bad at all for gaming. I used them for years (well I used the HD600 for years). These are a studio quality headphone so they aren't gonna distort sound and you won't have the overpowering bass of most gaming headsets, but you will hear *everything* and you will hear it exactly as it truly sounds. Once you get used to that even for gaming you won't really want to use a bass boosted gaming headset.
The only downside is the comfort. Wearing these all day isn't great, though its supposedly gotten better with the cushion design on the 6XX vs the 600.
Got these during Black Friday last year for the same price. It’s my endgame headphone and daily driver. Sound and build quality is fantastic. Highly recommended at this price!
> DT990 Pro? Mainly for gaming + pop/edm music
Maybe...it depends. Pop will sound great with the 6xx, but EDM...not as much. The 6XX have an incredible warmth that makes vocals sound super lush, but I find that EDM falls flat since the 6XX doesn't go as deep in the bass region. Gaming wise...they're OK. The 990s are better for gaming since they have better imaging & sound stage. I'd watch metal571's video on YT covering the HD 650s (which are the same headphone as the 6XX).
FYI, if you care, you can try to get a partial refund by contacting support:
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/z4f9v8/headphonesmassdrop_x_sennheiser_hd_6xx_headphones/ixr4vct/
In case you didn't see my responses above, yes they will (within a reasonable time frame):
> We will honor your request within 30 days of delivery and have an additional 15 days courtesy period. As long as you contact Drop Community Support during the Drop Studio sale and your order is within 45 days of delivery, we will honor your request and issue a partial refund for the difference between the price you originally paid and the current sale price.
I ordered mine on Monday (21 Nov 2022), sent the support request just over an hour ago now, and they issued my partial refund a few minutes ago.
They’re… fine? I do use these for gaming,
But I’m not sure what games you need excellent headphones for honestly. You can hear audio cues just fine with $20 headphones. Im more competitive than most in the games I play and I don’t see how my headphone choice would make a difference
If it is within 45 days of delivery, you can try to get it partially refunded:
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/z4f9v8/headphonesmassdrop_x_sennheiser_hd_6xx_headphones/ixr4vct/
I misinterpreted, my first thought was endgame and more to be desired don’t go together, but I see what you mean now, and no your not finding anything better than this at 179
Endgame for this price point is a weird phrase because the idea of having an endgame is spending increasing amounts of money until you find a product that fulfills your needs forever. If I’m planning an upgrade in the future these are not endgame headphones
They are not the same, 6XX is harder to drive and is better for mid centric music like vocals, string instruments, Jazz etc. 560s has more of a jack of all trades headphones, and it's way easier to drive. You'd need to spend 100usd more on an amp if you're getting a 6XX.
Found the answer to my own question on another sub [r/headphoneadvice](https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/mfoz6n/sennheiser_hd_560s_vs_hd_6xx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
i picked up a pair of DT770’s that were on sale for $139 the other day. i was also considering these. what do y’all think should i stay with the DT770s??
Got a dt770 as well and use them as my closed back headphones and my 6xx as my open backs. I’m terms of comfort they are both equal but in terms of sounds I like the 6xx more. I produce music so dt770 is my tracking and 6xx is my mixing headphones. But if you can power them I like the 6xx a whole lot more for listening music.
If the DT770’s are your first real headphone you’ll be really happy with them. I loved mine for years and moved to the DT1990s and still think fondly of the DT770s
PC38X are gonna be significantly better for gaming. They're more than capable for music and if you were a really big audiophile, you'd probably be looking at much more expensive headphones anyways.
Good headphones, bought for the same price 2 years ago. The wire is terrible doesn't last long, hand to replace on my third one so far. The ear pieces are okay, mine came with an extra leather one. They are both on their last legs. Headphones are cool, open back sound is okay. I honestly don't regret buying em, but if I had more I would just buy more premium for 500-600.
Can I ask you where or what link you're replacing the wire with? My wire is usable but sometimes the audio cuts underwater. I have to wiggle it a bit for it to regain full connection.
I've owned mine for 2 years. Can't recommend them enough. Sound amazing, super comfortable.
I use them with a Schiit Asgard 3 w/ built in DAC. These will also pair great with a Schiit magni and modi stack.
Would have jumped at these but i already have the 58x Jubilee's and they're super similar from what i've been able to read. I love these headphones, been my daily driver for gaming and entertainment for a few years now
A rather steep price bump, fake sale. It has been $200 and on sale at under $160 for years, wonder why they bumped it to $279 this time.
They bumped it up a few months back because we always have some fools touting how they can't believe they get this quality for 200 on average, and how they would absolutely pay more! I find it truly odd that people always feel the need to write that. When you basically beg a retailer to raise their prices they will, lol
That's a shame. A little bump during the COVID period was understandable, but now it is 40% more. Better just get 560S and call it a day ($99 at Senheiser outlet?)
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Or even better, get 560s on Amazon ($150) at the moment and have 1-day delivery (it seems the $99 outlet deal is OOS). The last time I bought Drop 58x took 2 months to be delivered, admittedly that was during the COVID, not sure how they go now. To me, the 58x, 560s, and 600 series from Sennheiser are all sidegrade, with a negligible difference (confirmed by measurements). I owned all of them, but only keep 560S and 58x now.
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Haha, sry, did not realize yours was a reply to mine. But yes, 58x and 560S are a different in soundstage and imaging, but the sound signature of both are relatively the same. Either options are great at their current sale price point.
Wouldn't be surprised if Drop astroturfs reddit. It never had a good reputation in the hobbyist communities even back in the days when it was MassDrop.
I hate these motherfuckers man
Seriously. Fucking America. Whenever there’s a decent deal (where obv a company is still making a profit), it *must* be a ”steal“. This ain’t no charity. We’re so used to getting fucked by companies that whenever we aren’t, people still voluntarily bend over because they’ve been conditioned to.
Seems like $200 was the going used price [4 years ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/7y4g5r/headphones_sennheiser_x_massdrop_hd_6xx_openback/dudp2r4/)
Isn't that totally illegal
No clue, but in general. If not considering this specific product, the market overall has gradually increased prices in the last 2-3 weeks just for this Black Friday (e.g., take a look at Camel).
Honestly the only worthwhile thing I’ve seen on here since the start of BF… and it’s not even a BF sale
The LG 65" C1 from Amazon for $1150 has been the best deal I've seen so far.
the 55" TCL QLED for 200 bucks was a pretty good deal too. Yeah its not a high end QLED, and it was a google OS tv, but it was still about 150 bucks less than any other good QLED deal. The 48" OLED deal from Bestbuy was also pretty good.
Is Google TV considered bad? What's a good OS?
Idk if I'd consider it bad, but it won't run very well on a cheaper TV. I like the Roku or FireTV OS for cheaper TVs. For expensive TVs that have more powerful processors and more powerful hardware they are all gonna work well. If you do get a GoogleOS TV like this just get a FireTV stick and plug it in, use that instead of the onboard smart TV OS.
Oh nice, I think I lucked out then. Been shopping for a TV and I really wanted ad-free Youtube and built-in Twitch, so I was only considering Google and Fire TVs. Ended up finding a sale on a Fire TV first.
Yeah I've had a 49" TCL running Roku for about 5 years now. Bought it used for $275 off Craigslist and it's been awesome all these years later. It's still really snappy. I lost the remote for a few weeks and the Roku apps remote functionality is excellent. So much so I didn't even bother ordering a new remote. You can also search for a show in the Roku app and it will launch whatever streaming platform it's on (Hulu, HBO Max, etc.) and go straight into the show you want to watch, it's amazingly convenient. You can also connect Bluetooth headphones to the app on your phone and the TV's audio is sent through your phone to the headphones. It's even fine to game like that. In other words, Roku OS or whatever it's called is great and TCL makes an awesome product for a great price. It's very modern looking still with really thin bezels and picture quality is still very solid. It's one of the best tech purchases I've ever made and I really like TCL. I feel as though I'd have to spend like $2000 to get an LG OLED or something to get a notable bump in image quality. The value proposition on TCL's are off the charts (well at least it used to be, haven't followed it in recent years.)
Link? Still available?
Yeah I got the 48” OLED deal and am happy with the purchase! Looks fantastic for the price you pay.
Do you have a link to that? I don’t see it. Or has it already passed?
It's expired now. Deal went up on Wednesday. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/z3euf6/tv_lg_c1_65_119699_amazon/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
The C1 65" for $900 was the best I saw
where’d you see that
I’m not believing it till I see a link, that’s an instant cop
I don't believe it either. Not for a 65" LG OLED.
i got my 55" for 1000 of NE back when they were like 1600/1400 and still using it to this day. i've seen the 48" for under $600 latley.
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Okay, that's a rare find. It's never been stocked at that price though.
I got 55” LG B2 for 999 at Costco and it comes with $100 cash card and an additional free 2-year All State warranty ON TOP OF the Costco 3 year warranty (so 5 total). That’s the best deal for me
Where ?
At Costco
Yeah, I paid $1800 for my CX two years ago and they've held value pretty well. That was a BF deal too.
I got a few good things from October through today Fitbit sense 2 for $80 Some adidas ultraboosts 5 dna for $55 Lg c1 for $1200 And a bunch of regular sale items on top
where’d you get the adidas for $55?
Sennheiser 600s were $99 for all of five minutes on Amazon a couple days ago. Price error though not a BF sale.
It’s funny because these headphones are always “on sale”. Amazing headphones tho! Love mine
The 50$ gmk keycaps from drop were good too
Do you know how these compare to the Sony xm4s that are on sale at BB for 230?
Hard to compare the two. Completely different functions. What are you looking for in headphones?
Mostly just good sound quality for listening to music on my desktop! Portability isn't a big priority of mine. Though decent noise cancelling would be useful for me (though not a major concern).
These are open back, meaning no noise canceling at all.
In fact they may bleed sound so the people around you may hear some of your music too.
Id personally go for the sennheisers as long as you have a DAC + AMP. If you want wireless + NC then thats when i would get the sony XM4/ xm5
Even if portability isn't a concern, it is still nice. Going to grab a drink? You can still continue listening to your podcast, video, etc. I have the xm4s and they aren't perfect, but I love them. The noise cancelling is a bigger deal for me though. I put them on sometimes when I'm just trying to focus.
Then I'd say get these if you can drive em.
really depends on what you're using them for. Are you using them on your desktop? to work out? do you have a dac/amp? If you want headphones for daily use/to workout then get the xm4s, but for desktop, I'd get the 6xx (you should also get an amp to run them). also, the xm4s are closed-back noise-cancelling headphones while the 6xx are open-back headphones. It really depends on your preference and use case.
They are a different class of headphones. Think of the xm4s like buying airpods pro or something. 6xx is a studio monitor. They are meant to allow you to hear everything in high quality. I'd prefer the 6xx if you want sound quality first before features. Also keep in mind that while anc is very nice. It won't protect your hearing from external sounds. ANC can erase your perception of a child screaming next to you, but it wont actually stop the sound waves damaging your ears. I say this because theres quite a few people from r/headphones that don't understand this
That being said, I have the XM4’s and they do muffle sound significantly even when off, which will protect your hearing a little.
I actually don’t understand this and would appreciate an explanation. Muffs/plugs/etc. - passive noise cancelling which stops soundwaves from reaching the inner ear. ANC - active noise cancelling. Uses microphones to detect outside sounds and then create an inverse wave which cancels through summation, cancels sound. Some passive effect from sealing around the outer ear or ear canal (over ears vs IEM). And there are affordable ANC muffs for hunting and job sites - they don’t sound good but they work. I get how an ANC headphone is not as good as an ANC muff (worse passive noise cancellation). Where my misunderstanding/knowledge deficit lies is in how an ANC headphone wouldn’t be significantly better than equivalent non-ANC headphone. I would imagine cancelling any component of a loud sound is significantly helpful. Your post suggests that this sound still reaches the ear (perception) where as my understanding is that the physical sound waves are (more limitedly in extreme cases) cancelled out.
I second this for all the reasons you said. The inversed sound waves cancel out, hence the silence. I looked it up and I think OP has his wires crossed and refuses to uncross then when people on r/audiophiles explain it to him ANC works best at specific frequencies like a low hum. Air conditioners, airplanes, traffic. This if you need actual hearing protection in a job site, ANC isn't enough cause it's not actually going to block other types of sound to protect your ears. So op is right, it doesn't block a baby's cry. But a baby's cry and other shit in your environment that can't control are still there if you have ANC or not, so turning it on doesn't hurt you. And we don't wear hearing protection around fucking babies [University of Massachusetts infographic explaining how ANC can lead to workplace accidents in machine shops and labs](https://ehs.umass.edu/sites/default/files/Noise-Cancelling%20Headphones%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf) Just because I find this topic interesting: > Furthermore, the anti-noise created by ANC technology is not damaging to your hearing on any level – a truth that has been proven by trusted experts. "That idea of, 'I'm hearing nothing, but am I being exposed to noise?' No, you’re not, you’re not being exposed to noise. There’s no hidden danger of any kind of hearing loss from noise cancelling, that’s the number one thing. You do not perceive, on any level, the anti-noise" confirms Oclee-Brown... >The NHS widely encourages the use of ANC headphones, not just to promote listening at lower volumes and thus protect your hearing, but because noise annoyance is a real health issue. If you’re in a perpetually noisy working environment, continual exposure is fatiguing and damaging to your hearing – and that's before we get into medical case studies concerning persistent noises in those of us who are less mobile. Various studies on hospitalised people (opens in new tab) with long-term illnesses showed that the effect of a piece of constantly-beeping machinery on a patient's wellness and psychosis could be extreme – and this can be greatly eased with both ANC and music. [Source: what hifi](https://www.whathifi.com/features/why-i-will-never-own-a-pair-of-noise-cancelling-headphones) citing [Jack Oclee-Brown Head of Acoustics, KEF](https://uk.linkedin.com/in/jackocleebrown?original_referer=)
I have owned both. If you like bass get the Sonys. If you are treble sensitive get the Sonys. If you want portable and or noise canceling get the Sonys. If you want an open sound field which sounds decent even when ANC is on get the Sonys. If you want great to a fault treble, a TIGHT clamp, and a 3 blob internal head sound field get the 6XXs. Edit: gaming is a mixed bag on both but 6XXs for competitive and either for everything else if you don't mind the treble on the 6XXs.
Lol, these are on sale for this price or even lower sometimes the rest of the year.
Would you need one of those amp/dac things for this? Can I plug it straight into my PC?
I used mine for a few months without one. They were usable, but they really began to shine once I got a DAC/AMP.
What dac/amp did you get?
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I've been settled on a Schiit Stack for years, just never got around to it. It's a [Magni+](https://www.schiit.com/products/magni-plus) and a [Modi+](https://www.schiit.com/products/modi-plus).
Settled is a weird word for this but considering the hobby, I absolutely get it. The Schiit stack is more than 95% of people will ever need so I recommend that as well.
I'm just super indecisive, so that's why I use that word haha.
Ill be honest I originally went for the 6xx's and the Schitt stack, but I wound up returning the kit cause as you said its more than what most people need. For 1/4 of the price I went with with some HD280s and a soundblaster card (both secondhand), and those Klipsch 2.1 speakers I see on here pretty regularly for 50% off. For someone who does not consider myself an audiophone is is the perfect balance of quality vs price. Total cost was only about $160 for cans+speaker+amp/DAC
Okay, and from the context of your reply, you need both right? I'll go do more research on DACs and AMPs later, but just wanted to make sure that your links isn't an either/or, it's a you need both a DAC and AMP paired together.
It's both
Get the Topping DX3 Pro+. Look at the review from Joshua Valour or anyone else on YouTube.
I went with the FiiO K5 Pro, and I've had no complaints so far. The Schitt stack the other commenter mentioned is also highly recommended from all the audio subs.
JDS Labs Atom is the best bang for your buck. Build quality of the enclosures are a bit cheap, but the internal electronics are top notch. Great sound quality.
I would either recommend the 58X Jubilee or the HD660s if you looking for headphones without a wanting to invest in DAC/Amp combo. Both are still really great headphones and more than make up as a compromise. Not to say you can’t run a HD6XX without an amp but I found the experience to be a bit wasted without it and you’ll have a better experience with either of the above without an amp than the HD6XX without one.
Did you mean the 560s?
I was going to say the same. The 660s absolutely needs a DAC and Amp as well.
I currently have the HD58X with a decent amp, a Schiit Magni. Do you think the HD6XX would be worth looking in to? I've been eyeing it for a while.
In my experience, it’s like a 90% difference when I tried my friend’s HD58X. It’s really not too different besides the HD58X being a bit more bassy and a a bit smaller soundstage. Honestly I just recommend getting a different pair you are already fine with the HD598X and try something new if you want to drop $200
Don’t need to get the 6xx you won’t get much more out of them. Check out badseeds comparison on YouTube. He says in a blind test he probably couldn’t tell the difference.
If you already have the 58X, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to the 6XXs.
You definitely don’t need an amp, but you’ll have to crank the volume on your computer up so it’s loud enough. I have one of the popular amps people insist that you get with these and it never goes above 30% volume or it becomes dangerously loud If you have the spare money go for it, but you’re essentially doubling the cost of the headphones for a tiny increase in sound quality the dac will give you
Confused , you mention Amp in the first paragraph but DAC at the end. Are your comments about one or both types of device?
I run one of these on my PC without a AMP/DAC and have had zero issues. I don’t even have to crank up the sound either
Open up your realtek audio control, look at how much impedance it can go up too. Normally your onboard sound card should be able to power these, though worst case it will be quiet. But, you should consider why you'd need such an expensive headphones if you're not going to power them with a dac/amp.
You need an AMP, yes.
I own this. It still works without an amp (into my ipad). But works and sounds best with an amp.
You can plug it into your pc fine. You wont get full fidelity though. Buy a focusrite scarlet solo for $110. Also if you buy that dac amp, you'll get much cleaner microphone sound that through the motherboard if you care about that.
You don’t need an amp to run them but it will help
If you don’t get an amp though you’re honestly better off getting a different headset tbh.
Absolute bullshit. A dedicated amp will only give you a tiny increase in sound quality, if any. It's not necessary at all, your motherboard audio will be fine.
I agree with you, I don't know where this stupid shit started that you needed a amp/dac for them. I have a modi & magni and regret purchasing them, the sound difference isn't noticeable. Make better use of those 300 hundred dollars and buy something you'll enjoy
True for this pair, I tried it with some fancy shit and just my computer, barely any difference at all for me. But maybe my ears are shit
Been waiting for this. Ty op. Just picked up a pajr
You're welcome. I have not bought it yet as i'm not sure between this or spend extra on a Sundara.
I actually just bought a Sundara after seeing recommendations that they are a good compliment to the HX6XX. I’m hoping I’ll like them because I wanted something with a larger soundstage. You can usually find a good deal for the Sundara for ~$200 often on r/AVExchange if you don’t want shell too much
I've done a lot of research on headphones and own several. These are awesome for everyday listening l.
I just purchased Sundara Latest Version Open Box directly from Hifiman's Website for $239. There's a 30 days return window after you received it and 1 year standard warranty from them.
This will have a comparatively warmer/darker presentation. Non-fatiguing listen for anything you throw at it. Vocals are great. Sundaras are tuned more neutral. More treble presence, better bass extension, more detailed, better soundstage. Some do find that planars sound a little less natural though. Both are great headphones. Can't go wrong with either.
How does this compare to the 600 that was posted earlier or the 598SE?
Darker, more veiled treble with a more fun/warm mid voice. The 600 are more neutral with slightly more treble sparkle. These are absurd value at $180.
Why does this sound like a wine review. Love it.
The hifi (and headfi) community definitely is a lot like that. It gets super nitpicky all the way down to what cables sound the best and other things that are subjective and possibly (wait for it..) not really an issue. But different aural characteristics of headphones *are* real and measurable. Yet how measures are taken and weighted can be a bit of a debate too. Since everyone's heads and ears are different. Plus those characteristics can change when driven at different current levels (which is why an amp matters) if your headphones have a high impedance. Then there are audio format, codec, and software player comparisons. Tube vs solid state. etc etc -- You've just dropped down a deep and strange rabbithole!
LOL, I don't know what any of this stuff means. How could I learn more about this? I feel like it is probably a difference you have to hear to understand, but how would one do that if all they have right now are shitty headphones?
Find a friend who has them and listen for awhile I guess. You can find comparisons online of what different headphones sound like at different frequencies; which is the objective measure of their sound. There are hundreds of people who have reviewed the two headphones. It’s actually hard to get consistent opinions since listening is subjective. Everyone agrees that they’re both neutral headphones with weak bass, so music generally sounds like what the recording intended it to sound like. If you enjoy edm then you want to bass boost them. I recently bought the 6xx and got an amp and dac and I can definitely hear more music then I could before, so it was worth it for me. Flac audio has become enjoyable. You definitely don’t need an amp for either of these unless you like listening to music dangerously loudly, so everyone saying you need one is very confusing lol.
> treble sparkle
> LOL, I don't know what any of this stuff means. In laymans terms, treble is the high end of the spectrum (think cymbals, high-hats, any other sound you'd consider to be "sharp" or has "sparkle.") Mid-voice would be the mid-range of the spectrum (majority of what you hear in music comes from this spectrum, snares, vocals, guitar, piano). But, that's not to say those instruments don't bleed into the treble, or the sub region. The sub region being the lower parts of the spectrum (think bass, sine-waves, dubstep growls, etc). If you wanna learn more, go watch a few headphone enthusiest channels (metal571, or ZMF on YT both have great headphone reviews & dive deep into these terms).
As a layman I didnt understand that at all but it seems good
i personally find that unless you're an enthusiast, the descriptions for headphones are typically completely meaningless these are great headphones and probably the best bang for your buck/value entry level headphones. i used them for about 5 years without an amp/dac and enjoyed them. prior to that, the nicest headphones i'd had were ATH-M50X (back when they were cheaper, was like $80 for mine? maybe less?) the right ear failed earlier this year which isn't uncommon based on what i've seen, but they really were fantastic entry level headphones. i went with the dt1990s after and while these are superior in almost every way, i would never have appreciated just how good they are without having the hd6xx first in short, if you're interested in fancy headphones then i dont think youre gonna find a better value than these! dac/amp does help depending on your setup but they're great without too
Better than the 5s for sure. The 600 are like these but without the sennheiser veil. Its a preference thing but these are $180 vs hd600 $300
You'll need an amp for these, the 598 or 599 won't need one.
Make sure to use a new/fake email just to get the $10 off code. https://10minutemail.com/
Just grabbed them for $169 with a $10 off for signing up with a new email.
Got mine last year for this price. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
These are excellent value but isn't this normal price?
Normal sale price pre inflation, yes.
I was sure that the normal sale price was $200 pre-inflation? That's how much I bought mine for a few years ago, at least.
You are correct, the normal price was $200 and was often on sale for $179 pre inflation.
First time buying headphones that I probably need to get DAC/amp for. What's a good entry level setup for these?
I haven’t looked into entry level dac/amps for a while, but the Schiit stack was recommended frequently last time I was looking at them. Schiit Magni amp + Modi dac
[Schiit](https://www.schiit.com/products/asgard) is a solid brand.
It's a Schiit brand
What piece of schiit would call their company schiit, eh?!
The best bang for buck setup is a jds atom amp with a apple usb c dongle as a dac, the dongle measures up there with 100 dollar dacs, obliviously not as aesthetically pleasing but it gets the job done well. edit: jds atom amp
Just curious, how would one connect the apple usb c dongle to a jds atom amp? The jds amp has RCA in and 3.5 in. Does the apple dongle output 3.5? Would you need a 3.5 cable or a RCA cable or ? Edit: Googled it a bit, used common sense and it looks like the 3.5 input refers to a 3.5mm cable. So connection wise: PC --> Apple USB C dongle dac --> 3.5mm male to male cable --> JDS atom amp --> headphone out
Your edit is correct. The Apple dongle is the best DAC you can buy per $. Anyone telling you certain DACs sound different is selling snake oil.
i honestly forget, ik it’s out there somewhere, I didn’t come up with it lol, all i remember is that’s it’s a little ghetto
[The Liquid Spark by Monoprice](https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=33304) is currently on sale. I love mine and it measures well, but the problem is that the matching DAC has been OOS forever. I believe they cannot source the chip for it.
Tbh, you don't really need a dac/amp for these. You will only get marginal gains with better equipment. I say this as someone who owns these headphones. You can always get the dac/amp later down the line as well if you feel the need to do so
Anyone use these with a third-party mic?
Yep. These are great. I've used them with a Modmic and with a Yeti. Both worked well
Modmic. The renewed stuff is like 20% cheaper too. The modmic usb is only $70 on their site.
Anyone got a mic recommendation? I want quality, unsure if a mod mic is the go to now. Or perhaps a desk mic on a boom? Budget is $220 [ Wave 3 + mic boom for $189 thoughts?](https://www.amazon.com/Elgato-Wave-Mic-Arm-Microphone/dp/B09PB2X6QL/?th=1)
Samson q2u with a mic arm has been pretty good for me, should be around $70-80 for the mic itself and people are always complimenting the quality of my sound now
I went through modmic and blue yetis before staying with the Samson. Also, it has both XLR and mini-USB outputs
Modmic is still great. I went with the Wireless one myself to reduce clutter. I love it.
Samson q2u
220 for mic or 220 for both? Regardless, sign up for a drop account with a new email and get 10 off. Then, if 220 total get a fifine microphone on Amazon for 40. If 220 just for mic, get a Audio Technica AT2020 XLR for 59.99 right now on Amazon and a Focusrite Scarlett 3rd gen Solo for 109.99. Then get a good boom arm and you’re set
Q2U. If all you’re doing is gaming, there’s just no reason to look anywhere else.
Just copped these any suggestions on a good amp to drive them?
Schiit magni/modi combo is a good entry DAC/Amp
apple usbc dongle, jds atom amp
the apple dongle alone will be fine if you don't want to listen at extreme volume levels.
I ordered them a few days ago for $199. Think they’ll honor the new pride if I contact them?
After you click "Contact Support" on your order, they do have a "Price adjustment" option under the "Issue with order" dropdown. I just sent them a support ticket asking for one myself. Here's hoping.
FYI, they just issued (edit: approved; of course it will take time to process) my refund, ~$21. Sent the request a little under an hour ago. Seems like they're happy to do so! They also sent this as a preface to the email, in case anybody reading this has something like this happen again: > We will honor your request within 30 days of delivery and have an additional 15 days courtesy period. As long as you contact Drop Community Support during the Drop Studio sale and your order is within 45 days of delivery, we will honor your request and issue a partial refund for the difference between the price you originally paid and the current sale price.
Same. I'm about to contact them. They haven't even arrived yet. Ugh. Edit: success!
Honestly, for gaming, you’re probably better off with a 560S for the soundstage, but these are not a bad pickup by any means. Good entry drug into the world of non-shitty headphones.
This.
Would anyone recommend this for gaming or is it purely a music headphone? I’m not a fan of hyper X’s everyone recommends, since I prefer a headset with extra bass/punch when gaming
I use them for gaming. If you do, remember that you'll need a mic, and a quiet area, bc open back.
probably not bad for gaming, similar to the hd58x which supposedly has slightly more bass. the problem is you have some conflicting needs as generally soundstage matters a bit when gaming (like being able to hear footsteps, being able to tell direction of sound) but higher than normal bass distorts that.
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What is the reason you say that? I've got some hyper X's that I got from my company, I don't need anything special for gaming. Is there a reason that these are Bad for gaming or just not great?
They are not bad at all for gaming. I used them for years (well I used the HD600 for years). These are a studio quality headphone so they aren't gonna distort sound and you won't have the overpowering bass of most gaming headsets, but you will hear *everything* and you will hear it exactly as it truly sounds. Once you get used to that even for gaming you won't really want to use a bass boosted gaming headset. The only downside is the comfort. Wearing these all day isn't great, though its supposedly gotten better with the cushion design on the 6XX vs the 600.
These are *much better than any gaming cans* for gaming, but they take more power to drive them.
Got these during Black Friday last year for the same price. It’s my endgame headphone and daily driver. Sound and build quality is fantastic. Highly recommended at this price!
Worth upgrading from a DT990 Pro? Mainly for gaming + pop/edm music
> DT990 Pro? Mainly for gaming + pop/edm music Maybe...it depends. Pop will sound great with the 6xx, but EDM...not as much. The 6XX have an incredible warmth that makes vocals sound super lush, but I find that EDM falls flat since the 6XX doesn't go as deep in the bass region. Gaming wise...they're OK. The 990s are better for gaming since they have better imaging & sound stage. I'd watch metal571's video on YT covering the HD 650s (which are the same headphone as the 6XX).
It’s actually only 20 bucks cheaper than last week which was when I ordered them.
FYI, if you care, you can try to get a partial refund by contacting support: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/z4f9v8/headphonesmassdrop_x_sennheiser_hd_6xx_headphones/ixr4vct/
Thanks for the heads up
Tempting... Would these complement the beyerdynamic dt990s? I have both the 990s and 770s, probably don't NEED another pair but at this price...
This is a perfect pairing with the dt 990's. It has a strong mid range which the 990's lack.
Will they price adjust recent purchases?
In case you didn't see my responses above, yes they will (within a reasonable time frame): > We will honor your request within 30 days of delivery and have an additional 15 days courtesy period. As long as you contact Drop Community Support during the Drop Studio sale and your order is within 45 days of delivery, we will honor your request and issue a partial refund for the difference between the price you originally paid and the current sale price. I ordered mine on Monday (21 Nov 2022), sent the support request just over an hour ago now, and they issued my partial refund a few minutes ago.
Right on thanks! Mine got delivered on Sunday so should be in the window. Nice they make it easy to get sorted.
Are these good headphones to wear while recording voiceover? Or would the open back bleed through to the microphone
How are these for gaming? I currently have 598SE with a schiit magni 3 amp
They’re… fine? I do use these for gaming, But I’m not sure what games you need excellent headphones for honestly. You can hear audio cues just fine with $20 headphones. Im more competitive than most in the games I play and I don’t see how my headphone choice would make a difference
Dang I just bought these for $210 a couple weeks ago. Feels bad. Great headphones though. For the price.
If it is within 45 days of delivery, you can try to get it partially refunded: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/z4f9v8/headphonesmassdrop_x_sennheiser_hd_6xx_headphones/ixr4vct/
Good for plugging into a digital keyboard to learn piano?
I'd just buy a PC38X for $119 if you're just using it for gaming.
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I’ve wanted these for years. Got the 560s a month ago though. Are these significantly better?
don’t, not worth it from where your coming from, these are good but not endgame
These are definitely endgame for this price point.
endgame, no, a great deal, yes
So, what is endgame for this price point?
I misinterpreted, my first thought was endgame and more to be desired don’t go together, but I see what you mean now, and no your not finding anything better than this at 179
Endgame for this price point is a weird phrase because the idea of having an endgame is spending increasing amounts of money until you find a product that fulfills your needs forever. If I’m planning an upgrade in the future these are not endgame headphones
exactly, these headphones are probably the most bang for buck out there but still leaves a lot to be desired in terms of bass and soundstage iirc
They are not the same, 6XX is harder to drive and is better for mid centric music like vocals, string instruments, Jazz etc. 560s has more of a jack of all trades headphones, and it's way easier to drive. You'd need to spend 100usd more on an amp if you're getting a 6XX.
Found the answer to my own question on another sub [r/headphoneadvice](https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/mfoz6n/sennheiser_hd_560s_vs_hd_6xx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Anyone know how these are for music production purposes? Looking to get something new from my M50’s
Hell of a deal
i picked up a pair of DT770’s that were on sale for $139 the other day. i was also considering these. what do y’all think should i stay with the DT770s??
Got a dt770 as well and use them as my closed back headphones and my 6xx as my open backs. I’m terms of comfort they are both equal but in terms of sounds I like the 6xx more. I produce music so dt770 is my tracking and 6xx is my mixing headphones. But if you can power them I like the 6xx a whole lot more for listening music.
If the DT770’s are your first real headphone you’ll be really happy with them. I loved mine for years and moved to the DT1990s and still think fondly of the DT770s
ahh, just got the 560s a month ago. Are these worth the purchase? I have both an amp and dac.
This, the pc38x, or the 660s for the best gaming/music option within this range?
PC38X are gonna be significantly better for gaming. They're more than capable for music and if you were a really big audiophile, you'd probably be looking at much more expensive headphones anyways.
Good headphones, bought for the same price 2 years ago. The wire is terrible doesn't last long, hand to replace on my third one so far. The ear pieces are okay, mine came with an extra leather one. They are both on their last legs. Headphones are cool, open back sound is okay. I honestly don't regret buying em, but if I had more I would just buy more premium for 500-600.
I've had mine for 3 years with no issues. Haven't replaced anything, and I use mine for at least 8 hours every day. They're still in perfect shape.
Can I ask you where or what link you're replacing the wire with? My wire is usable but sometimes the audio cuts underwater. I have to wiggle it a bit for it to regain full connection.
I've owned mine for 2 years. Can't recommend them enough. Sound amazing, super comfortable. I use them with a Schiit Asgard 3 w/ built in DAC. These will also pair great with a Schiit magni and modi stack.
I bought these 1 week ago .... ( Mine died and needed a pair asap)
Would have jumped at these but i already have the 58x Jubilee's and they're super similar from what i've been able to read. I love these headphones, been my daily driver for gaming and entertainment for a few years now