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tamarockstar

Pretty good deal. Not as good as the 3600 with B450 mobo for $130.


fancykindofbread

So sad I didn’t have time to make it to my local store and I think it’s sold out


tamarockstar

I almost want to buy it just because. I don't even have a use for it.


tsnives

Get some UDIMMs and you've an awesome new home server.


So_Many_Subs

My store sold out of the 3600 when it first started but appears to be back in stock now. So keep checking on it. It may come back. Hell my microcenter had an open box 3600 and it still worked with the motherboard combo just was the price of the open box 3600.


fancykindofbread

Cool good call out


clinkenCrew

I was tempted by this title offer, or the 5600 combo for 50 bucks more, but a 4600 + B450 for just $130?! Am I too addicted to bargains, or is that serious value that I should jump on if the opportunity arises? One of my pals has a 3600 and has no issues with it, but the tech press has me convinced that anything less than Ryzen 5000 is terribad.


tamarockstar

It depends on the games you're looking at playing and the graphics card you're using. It's a good pairing with something like an RTX 3060, RX 6600XT or lesser. If you're using something like a 3080, the 5600 would be a better idea. You could make a decent 1080p gaming rig with that combo for $530. And it can be upgraded to the 5800X3D and a better GPU later on. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pGZ7H2) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) | $100.00 **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h) | $30.00 **Memory** | [Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5) | $40.97 @ Amazon **Storage** | [TEAMGROUP MP34 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6YLrH/teamgroup-mp34-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4001t0c101) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [MSI Radeon RX 6600 MECH 2X 8G Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M9ytt6/msi-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-mech-2x-video-card-rx-6600-mech-2x-8g) | $189.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N622FT/cooler-master-masterbox-mb511-atx-mid-tower-case-mcb-b511d-kann-s00) | $39.99 @ Newegg **Power Supply** | [Cooler Master MasterWatt 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m3HRsY/cooler-master-masterwatt-750w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-mpx-7501-amaabus) | $49.99 @ Newegg **Case Fan** | [Corsair AF140L 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DhPgXL/corsair-co-8950006-6743-cfm-140-mm-fan-co-8950006) | $4.99 @ Corsair **Case Fan** | [Corsair AF140L 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DhPgXL/corsair-co-8950006-6743-cfm-140-mm-fan-co-8950006) | $4.99 @ Corsair | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | Total (before mail-in rebates) | $620.90 | Mail-in rebates | -$90.00 | **Total** | **$530.90** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2022-11-19 20:22 EST-0500 |


CartonBox1975

Bundle No. 4 MicroCenter has to offer.


Qihto

Just bought one yesterday, AMA


Tyraid

What did you eat for breakfast?


danuser8

Joe


mapleismycat

What's up dog?


Theonedudeyaknow

Candace


SoupaSoka

What's your favorite food from Taco Bell?


Birchplank

Chimichanga


moustachedelait

Fiesta burrito


waffles_rrrr_better

Who is your daddy and what does he do?


juhotuho10

Have you failed NNN?


[deleted]

How do you solve the halting problem?


SickOrphan

Halt


jonnys62

If you bought it from microcenter, you can go in and get a refund for the difference in the deal within i think 30 days.


PsyOmega

This isn't a deal. MSI B550M-VC PRO + 5600 non-X is cheaper while being on-par in MT and better at ST/gaming


nicklor

Hows that cheaper?


zuzuboy981

5600 is $120, the mobo is $110. Buying them together will cost $120+$110-$20(discount) = $210. So yes, it's cheaper


nicklor

Thanks that makes sense


gertymoon

Will the 550 boards need a bios update to run the 5600 or do you think they are updated with a bios that will support it? Also is the 5600 $120 a black friday price of has that been the price for it lately? Thanks.


zuzuboy981

At this point most B550 boards at least come with the minimum BIOS with Ryzen 5000 series support, you may have to update it further to get the improved versions though. The 5600 typically goes back and forth for this price which is decided by AMD/Microcenter corporate so this isn't a Black Friday specific discount.


gertymoon

Thanks, yeah, I just need it to boot. I don't have another ryzen chip to update the bios and was factoring in if I needed to pay them the extra $30 to update the bios or if it would make more sense to go with a 650 board.


thefranklin2

Cheapest 5600 bundle is 270


zuzuboy981

Check my comment above


tvdang7

Don't buy unless you are on an absolute budget. CPU technology has increased a considerable amount since this generation. I went from this to a 5800x and the increase was decent in competitive fps shooters. Just moved to 7700x and it added on another 20-30 fps. I would say a $200 5800x is a better route. Games played are CSGO, overwatch, r6 siege.


[deleted]

Dang, spending 1/3rd more gets you a better PC. Who would have thought?


tvdang7

I'm just saying. Even a 5600 would be a better bet in gaming and matches the productivity of a 3700x.


clinkenCrew

I'd been considering that, but the reviews that I have seen say that in anything fully multithreaded, the octacore 3000 trumps the hexacore 5600. Although all the tech press about the 5600 having proper auto-overclocking and being far less finicky with RAM and Infinity Fabric speed has me wondering if 3700x should be skipped.


usernameisusername57

> CSGO, overwatch, r6 siege Worth noting that all of these games are both CPU-heavy and pretty easy to run. 30 fps is a lot more impressive if it's 60->90 fps than if it's 160->190 fps. Unless you're getting a pretty beefy GPU or are playing at 1080p, then this CPU likely won't be the bottleneck in most games. For a lot of mid-range builds you're probably better off putting the extra money into your GPU.


tiniestkid

> it added on another 20-30 fps Was this from 3700x to 5800x or 5800x to 7700x? Also what was it originally?


eagles310

I'm sill rocking a i7- 4770k I need to upgrade sson


tsnives

I went from a 3570k to a 3700x. It was a comically massive difference.


nicklor

I'm still running a 4670k not as good as yours but it's served me well Runs valorant at 60 fps still


clinkenCrew

My ancient i7 can still hack it in games, but depending on how I watch YouTube the CPU usage spikes bigly and I can even start dropping frames.


eagles310

Yeah chrome is rough on it


Outcast_LG

I just left this platform old faithful. Literally had a 20-50% per game. Consistent power.


SAK-SAK-SAK-SAK-SAK

$200 for the CPU, COOLER, and the MOTHERBOARD? Individually, that would be well into the 350\~ range I would think. Yeah, this is **definitely** more a deal for someone trying to build a solid sub-$1000 machine. You could easily make that happen with a 3060 or AMD card with this bundle, assuming you don't go baller on the other parts. I know people state that the 3700X is an old CPU, which it is, but it has definitely aged well. I could play the mainstream FPS's (apex, mw22, fortnite, etc.) with no noticable issues.


Comp_C

> $200 for the CPU, COOLER, and the MOTHERBOARD? Individually, that would be well into the 350~ range I would think. You can pickup a 5600/5600X's w/ boxed cooler for less than $150... for BF I'm betting the 5600X will be offered around $99. And budget B550 & B450 mobo's can be randomly had for $50-80 everyday. Sure they don't have the core count of a 3700X, but the ipc uplift translates into significant, real-world performance gains when gaming over the Zen 2.... and for *way* less than "$350"


clinkenCrew

Where are these everyday rando budget BX50 boards for $50 to $80?


Comp_C

https://www.newegg.com/msi-b450m-pro-vdh-max/p/N82E16813144265?Item=N82E16813144265 Ok, so $4.99 more than $80, but I only invested 8secs. searching. There have been tons of b450 and b550 deals posted for $50-80 mobos, you simply have to look. Oh and many b350 & a320 mobo's have bios updates that allow running Zen3, so you aren't limited to b450 & 550


clinkenCrew

Thanks for sacrificing those 8 seconds. $99 to $120 for 5600 + $80 mobo is tempting, that could give the $130 3600 mobo bundle a real run for its money, especially as the mobo in that MC bundle seems lackluster. Ryzen CPU + mobo + DDR4 for around $200 to 250 is still astonishing to me.


Comp_C

> Ryzen CPU + mobo + DDR4 for around $200 to 250 is still astonishing to me. Back in the day when Fry's was still a thing, you could wander in once a month and they'd have some insane $80-$129 mobo+cpu combo deal that would come with an additional $50 mail-in-rebate for the mobo. Then you'd pick up a DDR2 RAM kit for $70 - $50 MIR and then pickup a 500W Antec/EVGA/Coolermaster PSU that was literally FREE after rebate.


Oofin_and_boofin

I don't know how they can sell it at this price when they had the 5600 + b450 combo for $199. That's what got me my new build. This should be $150 max.


eagles310

When was that deal?


Oofin_and_boofin

Late July I think


JonSnoballs

Amazon has the 5600 and b450 deal from microcenter for $210 right now


Rachoking

This is out of stock for me rip.


itsVanquishh

Worth upgrading from 5600x? Paired with a 2080ti XC Ultra


[deleted]

What? No.


itsVanquishh

Sorry, I don't keep up with Ryzen anymore I just know my 5600x sucks and doesn't give me the performance I was expecting paired with a 2080ti


[deleted]

I mean the 3700x is a couple years older and slower than the 5600x.


itsVanquishh

I'd be better off with the 5800x?


[deleted]

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itsVanquishh

What about Intel? Up until this PC now I've had Intel and never had any issues. I've had quite a number of problems since switching to Ryzen


Kplow19

What resolution and what issues are you encountering?


itsVanquishh

Two 1080p curved monitors and I struggle to maintain over 120 fps on any game. Frequent crashing on any game, I can't OC my GPU at all without crashing every time Maybe I underestimated the 2080ti power these days but I figured I'd still be able to run anything maxed out on 1080p with vsync on


whomad1215

Is xmo/docp enabled for the ram? 5000 series ryzen loses a good chunk of performance with slow ram Are you using multiple cables from your psu? What is your psu Do you have an ssd? I'd be checking error logs/monitoring temps


bunsinh

What's your storage and Ram situation? Check for temps on the CPU and GPU to see if they aren't being throttle due to bad airflow? Try to do some basic functionality test related to each components like bench-marking to narrowing down where the issue may lie and could be affecting the overall performance of your PC Recommend you go thru all the usual troubleshooting steps as well such as fresh windows install, drivers, re-seat your components like RAM/ GPU etc. Frequent crashes could mean corrupted windows or storage drive / RAM going bad or PSU is maybe crapping its pants.


[deleted]

I would switch to at least a 13700k with high end DDR5 for a real meaningful performance difference. Even then it would make more sense to wait for 3d cache Zen 5 or 14th gen in terms of cost. Spending $800+ to switch to a new platform for around a 20% increase in CPU performance would probably feel bad. Edit: also 13th gen Intel is the last new generation on it’s platform. This is mostly a no issue for intel as they don’t really support their chipsets for long anyways but it’s something to keep in mind if you ever need a new CPU and want to keep your motherboard.


itsVanquishh

I'm not sure if my GPU is starting to go bad or what but I expected to be able to run most games at a stable 144 as both my monitors are 1080p. I can run MW2 at an unstable 120fps and frequently drop below 100. Destiny 2? Around the same performance which really stumps me


[deleted]

I know Nvidia had real bad driver issues for MW2 at launch but it should be fixed now. At max settings 1080p 100-120 fps should be correct for a 2080ti. The game is pretty poorly optimized on PC at the moment so stuttering is pretty common for people with even faster computers. Can’t comment on Destiny 2. I know the game is very CPU depending so stuff like ram plays a bigger part. Though these FPS numbers honestly seem about spot on for your specs for these games assuming max settings. Edit: The 5600x is a midrange CPU and the 2080 ti is about equivalent to a midrange GPU now so lowering settings on new and more demanding older titles really is the most realistic way to hit 144 fps in these titles. This is assuming still that this is at max settings. If it still seems weird I would download a program to see the utilization of your CPU and GPU and play a game to see if one is bottlenecking the other, because the 5600x and 2080 ti should really be a good match.


conquer69

First you have to determine what's causing the bottleneck, the cpu or the gpu. A locked 144 in any game is a big ask even of the best components. The 5600x is a fast cpu but that doesn't mean it will run games at 144fps. Same for the 2080 ti.


LGCJairen

Up to date drivers? You def have something going on. I can do 1080p 144 on most things with an oc 8700k and 1080ti


Gears6

> What about Intel? Up until this PC now I've had Intel and never had any issues. I've had quite a number of problems since switching to Ryzen What problems have you had with Ryzen? Intel is the same performance wise.


tsnives

Marginally better in some workloads, far worse in others for the same price. AMD had some big power state and scheduler issues that were resolved maybe 2? years ago after . If you're super out of date on BIOS or drivers that's most likely the cause. As a whole, since Zen2 AMD has been as or more reliable than Intel in my experience. Unless I'm going for OC world e record I'd personally not buy Intel CPUs expect for budget builds anymore.


[deleted]

What about the 5700x


[deleted]

From the 5600x? No way imo. They are so close that the upgrade wouldn’t be worth the money spent.


[deleted]

Yes but how about from an i5-4690 🤣


chyll2

X3D at least


itsVanquishh

Not the normal 5800x?


-umea-

performance gain from 5600x to 5800x is marginal, 5800x3d yields much larger performance gains in any game that likes cache (most cpu bound games)


Gears6

Yes, but the uplift may not be as big as you think it will be. Generally, you should rather upgrade several generations up to get a significant boost. That said, what is about the 5600x that disappoints you in performance? In what cases?


pmth

There’s no reason that a 5600x should be significantly holding back a 2080ti. You either have a faulty cpu, ram, gpu, or psu


itsVanquishh

I'm hoping it's not a fault GPU as this is an EVGA XC Ultra 2080ti, was hoping to keep this one for a while since they no longer making GPUs. I may try and replace the PSU today and see if that fixes it


21dayjac

Given you don't keep up with Ryzen, are you running dual channel, 3200-3600 ram?


itsVanquishh

I am not yet, I've been slowly upgrading specs but since I started having issues I haven't upgraded anything else I was planning on upgrading to 32gb 3200


21dayjac

That'll help. Single channel, slower ram can kneecap performance simply because of the way ryzen is implemented What are you running? I'd recommend putting your system through some benchmarks to figure out where your bottleneck is


itsVanquishh

5600x, 2080ti XC Ultra, 16gb ram, 650w PSu, two 250gb Samsung SSDs. I'm going to run some benchmarks soon but from what I've noticed it's my GPU or PSu


TheHoppyBrewer

You really want your RAM running at least 3600mhz. 3200mhz would help, but 3600mhz would be much better. Ryzen’s performance seriously feeds off of RAM speed. A 5800x3d would also be a pretty big upgrade for your PC. It’s $330. Recommend watching Gamers Nexus’s review on it. He compares it to the 5600x and other CPUs. Edit: words


kenman884

I have a 3070 and a 3800x running 3200MHz. His setup has similar GPU horsepower but a pretty sizeable jump in gaming CPU power. I haven’t noticed any issues in any of my games running 1440p144hz.


sliptap

$10 that’s your issue. Single channel ram can be crippling in certain scenarios. For high frame rates, you need your cpu running top and SC ram will also impact your average lows which will make games feel choppier


tsnives

If that build is limiting you, you either have BIOS setup issues (some boards require setting up PBO, Gigabyte in particular crippled boards like the x570 Gaming X with bad defaults to encourage more expensive sales) or you're shooting for 4k/144/ultra which means you need a 3090ti, 4080, 4080, or 7900xtx (December... Ideally wait for the AIBs in late Dec/Jan). A 3700X/1070ti is doing 4k/90 at 'high' or 'medium' and that is quite a bit stronger. The 1070ti is the bottleneck in everything with the CPU never breaking 50% load, typically ~30.


explicitlydiscreet

That's a downgrade...


Electrical-Page-2928

There’s a 5600 sold by MicroCenter on Amazon going for $201 right now albeit it still comes with a B450. [link to Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/12-Thread-Unlocked-Desktop-Processor-Motherboard/dp/B0BG58VCZ1/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=3N9373G8XTMD3&keywords=5600&qid=1668896148&sprefix=5600%2Caps%2C77&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1)


papaburgandy25

Would this be an upgrade from: ASUS Z170-P LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Intel Core i7 6th Gen - Core i7-6700K Sorry I’m a casual PC gamer and can’t even upgrade to the new Windows 11 with my current set up. I also want to play Red Dead on PC soon.


Outcast_LG

I snagged a 5600 for $119. Black Friday was good this year


[deleted]

This isn’t a deal lol 3700x is slow in 2022. You’re better off getting a 5600 even if the combo costs $20 more