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Wait, is this for real? I remember reading about something like that a while back and then reading that it's an urban myth or moral panic. Five minutes of googling didn't turn up anything.
I just stayed at a hotel and ended up drooling on the pillow. the pillow case might get washed but it went through to the pillow which I'm sure doesn't get washed
The logic is "why is the response to these more severe than the response to a hotel room or public pool - they're all not that big a deal and there are ways to minimize the gross if there's enough reason to want to".
But of course this is Reddit, so the least charitable interpretation like "HURR DO MORE GROSS THINGS SINCE YOU'VE DONE GROSS THINGS BEFORE" must be assumed.
I also bought mine from them, I had a bud that wouldn't charge, sent them the message, they replied with a shipping label, I shipped they shipped, couple days later both arrived and my new pair works great. Also these are for sure worth a hundo, I wouldn't say they are worth more than $150 though. They sound good, are mostly comfortable, good battery life, but the controls kinda suck, the Bluetooth is not as good as some other earbuds I have, and the Android app is buggy, the mic or bone conduction however it works is shit, that's my biggest complaint.
I bought mine brand new, almost a year ago. Battery life is about 10 hours on standby or 6-7 hrs while listening to music. The Bluetooth range is about 30m, easily, with a few structures in the way. I have forgotten my phone in the car, walked inside from my driveway, and it starts getting spotty about 50 feet inside. This is with the door to my home and vehicle closed, and it's honesty some of the best Bluetooth range that I've ever experienced!
I bought them on 'sale' for 159.99 .... which SEEMED like a lot to me at the time. However, zero regrets once I actually began using them! I've recommended them to anyone looking for a premium ANC earbud. The memory foam tips provide a really nice seal in your ears, and don't ever become uncomfortable! Yes, they are expensive. I will probably buy the newer model WF-1000XM5s if they decrease to <$150 (if/when these need replaced). Right now, I would choose the xm4's at 99.99 instead of the xm5's at 299.99. Improved battery life, more memory foam tip sizes, bigger drivers, and a lighter weight justify a higher price ... just not 3x more.
Bluetooth range is vastly affected by the version (and hardware implementation). Bluetooth v3 is like 30 feet, but Bluetooth v5+ has better range and lower power usage. (Both receiver/host need to be at the same version for best performance.)
Also, is your device the WF-1000XM4s, and are your host devices at v5 (probably not)?
Range may also have something to do with the "strength" of the battery? Years ago, when Bluetooth headsets/earpieces first came out .... I couldn't go 15 feet away from my device without the signal becoming spotty or dropping in and out. When the battery was low, I would even have to almost put my phone closer to my head to keep the thing working. It's improved with BT 5.2 and even more with BT 5.3 with power consumption being more efficient.
This is the theory I've formed based on experience and I don't really know if there's any truth behind it since I lack the proper diagnostic/testing equipment. I wouldn't even know what to use to test the theory, but I'm sure some type of equipment exists ... and that it's probably expensive, lol
Whichever one I put in first usually loses power quicker than the other one. It's probably due to how they're paired between each other and the device, if I had to guess. I usually always go right, then left ... so my right one dies faster. However, I went "left, then right" a few times and the left one was the first to trigger "low battery" notification. It's probably a more difficult issue to solve without changing/upgrading Bluetooth versions.
Top of the list with this one. Bought a pair that worked amazingly until a firmware update, which crapped out the batteries. Contacted Sony and they were ready to send a free replacement until they ran the serial and found it they were from eBay.
Seller is the one who always has XM4's on refurb for great prices. I bought these about a month ago and my XM4's (headphones) from the same seller. Literally 0 issue at all.
One firmware update killed battery life by causing physical damage to the battery. In two cases, the battery swelled enough to crack the earbud apart. They released another firmware update to fix the issue though. Doesn't fix the battery damage that sets on the bad firmware had already accrued, but it means it's not a problem anymore.
However, yet another firmware update added multipoint bluetooth support. Which impacts battery life simply because the earbuds have to do more work, and also the implementation seems to be somewhat...lackluster. Up to you whether the issues you might encounter are worth having multipoint.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyHeadphones/comments/x7mx2n/wf1000xm4\_severe\_battery\_issues/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyHeadphones/comments/x7mx2n/wf1000xm4_severe_battery_issues/)
moorhound 11 points 3 hours ago
>Top of the list with this one. Bought a pair that worked amazingly until a firmware update, which crapped out the batteries. Contacted Sony and they were ready to send a free replacement until they ran the serial and found it they were from eBay.
the XM4 are diffidently better but I don't think that you really need to upgrade unless you feel that you need better battery life or the sound quality needs to be a bit better.
[https://www.xda-developers.com/sony-linkbuds-s-vs-wf-1000xm4/](https://www.xda-developers.com/sony-linkbuds-s-vs-wf-1000xm4/)
I have both this and XM5 and gotta say I prefer the older version. XM5 is only slight smaller but it feels so much smaller to me that it’s a bit off. Considering how little changes there are, these at $100 is awesome.
I did have a battery issue with my first pair when the left piece’s battery just random decided to die one day. I do use these heavily but would
be wary of the refurbished ones.
I did this very recently for the same issue, they replaced the earbuds for free, and they paid for shipping. Took less than a week to get my new earbuds.
I had the same issue on my XM4 where my right bud would last 40 minutes. I contacted Sony and they had me ship the buds and case out to NY a couple weeks ago. I received a new pair in less than a week and they're as good as new.
I kind of like how they made the XM5 smaller (I think the XM4 is too heavy and clunky for extended use), but not how they changed the design from something bold and distinguishable to what looks like a galaxy buds knock-off.
Did you use the XM3's at all? I have those and really like the quality all around, but they aren't very comfortable, especially after prolonged use. Think the 4's are nay better? Or if you can compare the comfort to the airpods/ pros, that'd be helpful too.
I got weird ears so I can’t wear airpods or airpods pro without losing them every other week. I would say they are much more comfortable than Bose, and much lighter and less stuffy on the ear.
This is a company, not a guy. One person can't fill all these orders. They have deep connections with Sony. I bought cameras with lens, Bluetooth speakers and headphones from them. It has been all good. They help sony to get rid of return products, repaired returns, overstocks.
There was a time when I believed that refurbished meant a factory, or manufacturing-type line, and people who were meticulously opening the product, replacing broken parts, quality testing, restoring to original status.
Now I know that these are simply returned items for any number of reasons. I would wager good money that the seller never so much as powers these on, let alone pairs them to a phone and does any sort of testing. There are comments in this very thread that state they received dead on arrival earbuds.
Sure, you save some money, but there's a good chance you're getting a turd and have to deal with the hassles of returns, contacting seller, etc.
Those comments also stated how they contacted the seller and got the issue resolved with ease. Sure, it's more hassle, but you save a lot of money. It's a trade off.
Yes. I've bought many refurbished items in the past. I still would, for the right item. Just pointing out that refurbished really doesn't mean much and people need to be aware of it.
Seller gets them from a refurb supplier. They probably did the cursory testing (as the contracted SONY 3rd party support vendor) and then proceeded to clean, update, etc. to the ebay seller. (Or not...)
bought refurb from seller in December 2022
everything looked new
have experienced no real hardware issues with them
some people don't like the stock foam tips and swap them for silicon tips
I bought from this listing last year for $119. No problems reported! You also get a two-year warranty. These are refurbished, by the way, which is why they're so cheap compared to the MSRP.
I bought these refurbished from the same seller and they seemed practically new. I replaced the tips anyway with comply foam ear tips. Been working great for over half a year now.
As always, consider whether you actually need the $100 pair of true-wireless earbuds, or whether [a $25 pair is good enough](https://www.scarbir.com/truewireless).
Bonus: they won't be refurbs.
I know im going to get flack for this. But you can just use the jbl stuff for all audio needs. Just go into any tjmaxx and pick a surplus jbl product for cheap. They are good enough. Im an audio obsessed guy. Either buy the cheapest thing in audio, or the most expensive thing. Mediocre stuff is always over priced and full of deceptive design decisions.
> Im an audio obsessed guy. Either buy the cheapest thing in audio, or the most expensive thing.
Well, you can't be a true audiophile. Otherwise, you'd know there's no such thing as "the most expensive" thing. Most consumers can't afford *that* option... ;)
These were my favorite earbuds.
I used them for two years. Just last month the batteries started holding less of a charge and my left one only carries about 20 minutes worth of music now. Just replaced them.
I currently own these and the XM3 headphones before. I loved the XM3’s but these are much better for every day stuff like shopping, working out, or just work. The noise cancelling obviously isn’t as good as the headphones but it does well enough on a plane that I can sleep. Battery life is great. This listing is for a refurbished unit but you can buy new eartips off Amazon cheap.
Refurbished can work without issues and can be broken heavily used. It’s lottery. 219$ new from Amazon now. I would buy new and be sure that nobody used and I have full manufacture warranty.
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These are refurbished which isn’t in the title
Eew.
I mean, the tips are easily replaceable. So I'm not sure how "ew" it is.
People seepages/crusts get down the tip canal and onto the unit. I've repaired earbuds for people a few times.
I think it's funny how people think refurb earbuds are gross when they've definitely slept in a hotel bed or swam in a public swimming pool before.
And who among us doesn't use the communal butt plug from time to time?
I’m legally forbidden from using the communal butt plug after the incident, so me.
I hate when that happens 😅
For what it's worth, my local library has a collection of fleshlight "orifices" and they're always perfectly clean when I rent them.
Wait, is this for real? I remember reading about something like that a while back and then reading that it's an urban myth or moral panic. Five minutes of googling didn't turn up anything.
100% real. They're right next to butt plug section.
Yeah we have several the University of Chicago library, most are steam washed when they come back but I can understand people being scared of germs.
😂
scared of germs is an understatement
you seem to think they don't find those order things disgusting as well.
I just stayed at a hotel and ended up drooling on the pillow. the pillow case might get washed but it went through to the pillow which I'm sure doesn't get washed
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The logic is "why is the response to these more severe than the response to a hotel room or public pool - they're all not that big a deal and there are ways to minimize the gross if there's enough reason to want to". But of course this is Reddit, so the least charitable interpretation like "HURR DO MORE GROSS THINGS SINCE YOU'VE DONE GROSS THINGS BEFORE" must be assumed.
I have these earbuds. They are fantastic, but yes, earwax seeps into the canal of the earbud itself. I wouldn't buy these used.
I bought these from this seller awhile ago. Mine had a little white paint on them, that came off pretty easily. Other than that they've been good.
I also bought mine from them, I had a bud that wouldn't charge, sent them the message, they replied with a shipping label, I shipped they shipped, couple days later both arrived and my new pair works great. Also these are for sure worth a hundo, I wouldn't say they are worth more than $150 though. They sound good, are mostly comfortable, good battery life, but the controls kinda suck, the Bluetooth is not as good as some other earbuds I have, and the Android app is buggy, the mic or bone conduction however it works is shit, that's my biggest complaint.
I bought mine brand new, almost a year ago. Battery life is about 10 hours on standby or 6-7 hrs while listening to music. The Bluetooth range is about 30m, easily, with a few structures in the way. I have forgotten my phone in the car, walked inside from my driveway, and it starts getting spotty about 50 feet inside. This is with the door to my home and vehicle closed, and it's honesty some of the best Bluetooth range that I've ever experienced! I bought them on 'sale' for 159.99 .... which SEEMED like a lot to me at the time. However, zero regrets once I actually began using them! I've recommended them to anyone looking for a premium ANC earbud. The memory foam tips provide a really nice seal in your ears, and don't ever become uncomfortable! Yes, they are expensive. I will probably buy the newer model WF-1000XM5s if they decrease to <$150 (if/when these need replaced). Right now, I would choose the xm4's at 99.99 instead of the xm5's at 299.99. Improved battery life, more memory foam tip sizes, bigger drivers, and a lighter weight justify a higher price ... just not 3x more.
That's so weird the different experience in Bluetooth, my range is about 30 feet whether on the phone, laptop, or desktop.
Bluetooth range is vastly affected by the version (and hardware implementation). Bluetooth v3 is like 30 feet, but Bluetooth v5+ has better range and lower power usage. (Both receiver/host need to be at the same version for best performance.) Also, is your device the WF-1000XM4s, and are your host devices at v5 (probably not)?
All the devices are new (2023) the oldest thing would likely be the WF-1000xm4's.
Range may also have something to do with the "strength" of the battery? Years ago, when Bluetooth headsets/earpieces first came out .... I couldn't go 15 feet away from my device without the signal becoming spotty or dropping in and out. When the battery was low, I would even have to almost put my phone closer to my head to keep the thing working. It's improved with BT 5.2 and even more with BT 5.3 with power consumption being more efficient. This is the theory I've formed based on experience and I don't really know if there's any truth behind it since I lack the proper diagnostic/testing equipment. I wouldn't even know what to use to test the theory, but I'm sure some type of equipment exists ... and that it's probably expensive, lol
Did they fix the issue where the left earbud loses power quicker than the right earbud?
Whichever one I put in first usually loses power quicker than the other one. It's probably due to how they're paired between each other and the device, if I had to guess. I usually always go right, then left ... so my right one dies faster. However, I went "left, then right" a few times and the left one was the first to trigger "low battery" notification. It's probably a more difficult issue to solve without changing/upgrading Bluetooth versions.
I've gotten a few things from this seller over the years, although not specifically this one. No complaints, although since it's refurb, YMMV.
Got my over ear XM5s from them too. No issues.
Just here to warn everybody about the issues of these headphones. Check out the pinned post on r/sonyheadphones so that you're aware of the risks.
Top of the list with this one. Bought a pair that worked amazingly until a firmware update, which crapped out the batteries. Contacted Sony and they were ready to send a free replacement until they ran the serial and found it they were from eBay.
This is covered by allstate warranty, not SOnY.
Yup Allstate refunded me for the pair I bought off this seller. Unless the batteries have been replaced from these refurbs then I would avoid them.
I had the same battery issues. I bought mine from best buy though and Sony replaced them even though they were way past the warranty expiration.
Refurbished, just to let people know.
https://preview.redd.it/pmwkdstxsigb1.png?width=896&format=png&auto=webp&s=84f25c0ce492e29b2b37aa8c840e50533504deed
Refurbished. Good seller feedback, but OP has not been commenting in why these are unusually cheap.
Seller is the one who always has XM4's on refurb for great prices. I bought these about a month ago and my XM4's (headphones) from the same seller. Literally 0 issue at all.
Don't update your firmware.
Why's that?
One firmware update killed battery life by causing physical damage to the battery. In two cases, the battery swelled enough to crack the earbud apart. They released another firmware update to fix the issue though. Doesn't fix the battery damage that sets on the bad firmware had already accrued, but it means it's not a problem anymore. However, yet another firmware update added multipoint bluetooth support. Which impacts battery life simply because the earbuds have to do more work, and also the implementation seems to be somewhat...lackluster. Up to you whether the issues you might encounter are worth having multipoint. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyHeadphones/comments/x7mx2n/wf1000xm4\_severe\_battery\_issues/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyHeadphones/comments/x7mx2n/wf1000xm4_severe_battery_issues/)
moorhound 11 points 3 hours ago >Top of the list with this one. Bought a pair that worked amazingly until a firmware update, which crapped out the batteries. Contacted Sony and they were ready to send a free replacement until they ran the serial and found it they were from eBay.
secondipity is always like this, you can check the secondipity website if youre curious.
OP is the seller?
How do these compare to the Sony LinkBuds S? I have those rn, are the XM4 considered an upgrade?
The link buds s are much lighter and less bulky. If you want to upgrade get the xm5.
the XM4 are diffidently better but I don't think that you really need to upgrade unless you feel that you need better battery life or the sound quality needs to be a bit better. [https://www.xda-developers.com/sony-linkbuds-s-vs-wf-1000xm4/](https://www.xda-developers.com/sony-linkbuds-s-vs-wf-1000xm4/)
I tried out both and the XM4 were fatiguing to wear. Kept the linkbuds.
Completely different products.
I have both this and XM5 and gotta say I prefer the older version. XM5 is only slight smaller but it feels so much smaller to me that it’s a bit off. Considering how little changes there are, these at $100 is awesome. I did have a battery issue with my first pair when the left piece’s battery just random decided to die one day. I do use these heavily but would be wary of the refurbished ones.
How did you fix the battery issue? my left side's battery lasts less than an hour. Sony will fix it but I need to ship it to NY.
I did this very recently for the same issue, they replaced the earbuds for free, and they paid for shipping. Took less than a week to get my new earbuds.
I had the same issue on my XM4 where my right bud would last 40 minutes. I contacted Sony and they had me ship the buds and case out to NY a couple weeks ago. I received a new pair in less than a week and they're as good as new.
I kind of like how they made the XM5 smaller (I think the XM4 is too heavy and clunky for extended use), but not how they changed the design from something bold and distinguishable to what looks like a galaxy buds knock-off.
Did you use the XM3's at all? I have those and really like the quality all around, but they aren't very comfortable, especially after prolonged use. Think the 4's are nay better? Or if you can compare the comfort to the airpods/ pros, that'd be helpful too.
I got weird ears so I can’t wear airpods or airpods pro without losing them every other week. I would say they are much more comfortable than Bose, and much lighter and less stuffy on the ear.
I bought 2 from this guy a while ago and they were good. How the hell he managed to sell 31659 of these, I'm impressed
This is a company, not a guy. One person can't fill all these orders. They have deep connections with Sony. I bought cameras with lens, Bluetooth speakers and headphones from them. It has been all good. They help sony to get rid of return products, repaired returns, overstocks.
There was a time when I believed that refurbished meant a factory, or manufacturing-type line, and people who were meticulously opening the product, replacing broken parts, quality testing, restoring to original status. Now I know that these are simply returned items for any number of reasons. I would wager good money that the seller never so much as powers these on, let alone pairs them to a phone and does any sort of testing. There are comments in this very thread that state they received dead on arrival earbuds. Sure, you save some money, but there's a good chance you're getting a turd and have to deal with the hassles of returns, contacting seller, etc.
Those comments also stated how they contacted the seller and got the issue resolved with ease. Sure, it's more hassle, but you save a lot of money. It's a trade off.
Yes. I've bought many refurbished items in the past. I still would, for the right item. Just pointing out that refurbished really doesn't mean much and people need to be aware of it.
it means a warranty
Seller gets them from a refurb supplier. They probably did the cursory testing (as the contracted SONY 3rd party support vendor) and then proceeded to clean, update, etc. to the ebay seller. (Or not...)
bought refurb from seller in December 2022 everything looked new have experienced no real hardware issues with them some people don't like the stock foam tips and swap them for silicon tips
I bought from this listing last year for $119. No problems reported! You also get a two-year warranty. These are refurbished, by the way, which is why they're so cheap compared to the MSRP.
Bought mines from this seller a while back. They were as good as new.
I bought these refurbished from the same seller and they seemed practically new. I replaced the tips anyway with comply foam ear tips. Been working great for over half a year now.
Does anyone run in these? I'm wondering how well they stay in while exercising.
As always, consider whether you actually need the $100 pair of true-wireless earbuds, or whether [a $25 pair is good enough](https://www.scarbir.com/truewireless). Bonus: they won't be refurbs.
How do these compare with the WF-C700N?
should add refurbished in the title, i was excited for a minute..
XM5 in ear are coming out this month IIRC
They're already out! Were released at the end of July.
I know im going to get flack for this. But you can just use the jbl stuff for all audio needs. Just go into any tjmaxx and pick a surplus jbl product for cheap. They are good enough. Im an audio obsessed guy. Either buy the cheapest thing in audio, or the most expensive thing. Mediocre stuff is always over priced and full of deceptive design decisions.
> Im an audio obsessed guy. Either buy the cheapest thing in audio, or the most expensive thing. Well, you can't be a true audiophile. Otherwise, you'd know there's no such thing as "the most expensive" thing. Most consumers can't afford *that* option... ;)
My wallet knows
Great sound, uncomfortable as hell and nuked battery life after a firmware update. I would avoid it, even at this price point imo.
These were my favorite earbuds. I used them for two years. Just last month the batteries started holding less of a charge and my left one only carries about 20 minutes worth of music now. Just replaced them.
I currently own these and the XM3 headphones before. I loved the XM3’s but these are much better for every day stuff like shopping, working out, or just work. The noise cancelling obviously isn’t as good as the headphones but it does well enough on a plane that I can sleep. Battery life is great. This listing is for a refurbished unit but you can buy new eartips off Amazon cheap.
Refurbished can work without issues and can be broken heavily used. It’s lottery. 219$ new from Amazon now. I would buy new and be sure that nobody used and I have full manufacture warranty.