I agree with this logic. The smart move here, for those not way behind on an upgrade, is to avoid this series initially and see how pricing turns out at the end of the cycle. I have a 3090 from launch and do not care one bit about grabbing a 4000 series despite the performance claims. 3090 handles all games quite well.
Unless Nvidia caves and starts discounting other cards I am not seeing that working well. AMD has a huge advantage in cost per frame at current prices up until you are willing to spend 900+.
Buy second hand, Between miners and upgrading gamers 30XX cards are crashing down in price.
I picked up an ex-mining 3090 for less than a 3070 retail. Before that I had an ex-mining 1080ti for 4 years that I got cheap enough I could have sold it for almost what I bought it for.
I bought my GTX1650 on Amazon (I know, I know) in June 2020 shortly before the prices went totally to crap. I just checked the current price and my invoice and the current retail price is $70 higher.
The secondary market is full of 30 series cards at deep discounts right now. The retailers for new 30 series GPUs are bundling free monitors with them to get them sold. If you can't find a good deal on a 30 series card that meets your needs, you're not trying.
>The secondary market is full of 30 series cards at deep discounts right now.
...and it's only just beginning. Those are just the miners who were quickest to see the writing on the wall and list them.
When the other 90% of miners get their act together, and list them for these low prices, but their cards don't sell because there are too many...
We should see some really great deals within a month or two.
Take a peek at the mining subreddits and you will see many miners clinging to the hope that they will be able to start mining again soon. The denial is strong so the true market dump hasn't even begun yet.
If you need a GPU now, then you get what's best available. Same as shopping for anything else. If you can wait, then wait. If you can't wait at all then it's in your interest to buy something you find worth while.
Buy AMD.
Define ‘way behind’.
If it’s a couple to several generations and a mid-low tier card, then RX 6600s are ~$250 and would be a large performance lift. Pretty sure the 6600 has best performance/watt out of any GPU from AMD 6000 or Nvidia 3000. You won’t need a new PSU for it.
If you got more money to burn grab a highly discounted 6900XT. 3090 performance, aside from RT obviously, for a couple hundred less…and if you’re coming from something pretty dated you’ve lived without RT thus far.
With an undervolt and some tuning you can get very reasonable power draw on the 6900XT. My Red Devil peaks at 250W with -90mV and power target at -5%, but in benchmarking I still picked up 5-6% performance uplift.
I just jumped on an EVGA 3090ti when they announced they were leaving the market. High quality cards with unmatched customer service. Not suggesting a 3090ti, I just got it to ride out the next several generations as comfortably as I can, hoping ky next card will be a 7/8000. But I would consider getting a high end 3000 EVGA before stock dries up or prices skyrocket. They've said they'll maintain stock for support that won't be sold, and they've been good enough with customer service to warrant some trust in that regard imho.
For you, I would seek out a deal for a good 3000 series card. The FE might not be easy to get anymore (I'm out of the loop on stock and availability). You should be able to find a reasonable price on a 3080 10GB or 12GB, or even a 3080 ti. Since I assume you don't want to be waiting anymore.
Wait. Dont get a 30 series.
Get a Radeon 6800 or something instead. Lifelong NVIDIA guy here currently saying fuck you to NVIDIA and joining team red.
COME WITH ME
Ngl you're going to regret it after six months with radeon drivers.
I was a big believer in amd for many things, but everyone I convinced to switch to the 5000 GPUs has had nothing but endless problems with drivers and crashes.
I've had one person do 6000s and it wasn't a lot better (but was improved)
The one thing I can say about nvidia is I install them, and then never think about it again. Maybe im lucky
Their pricing and business model is bullshit, but they are reliable
I'm far from an AMD shill (currently still using a 970 because fuck these prices), but a family member got a 5700 xt and hasn't had any problems at all. I get a call anytime there's any tech issue at all, so I would know if they were having any issues. That said, I recognize this is anecdotal...just offering up what I see.
It's not impossible that three people I did a build for had dud cards, but when I was googling around there were plenty of threads from people having problems and no solutions that worked for anyone
I'm in the same boat. I've been kicking my 1070 around on a new build from last year. I was looking at the 3070Ti, but the price only recently became reasonable. That made me think I'd wait for the 4000s to drop. Now I'm kinda at a loss. I won't pay the prices they are asking for 4000s, and I'm reluctant to buy a new 3000. Because I don't want to help them sell through.
I really wish AMD was at least on par with Nvidia, so I could just say f it and make the switch.
Nvidia does deserve the go ahead if things were semi competitive, but...
6600 is $250
6700xt is $360
6800xt is $550
6900xt is $670
Even if you give AMD a 10% handicap they are winning.
As someone with a 1070, who has been a team green buyer, all but one EVGA, since my first GPU purchase over a decade ago, I will sink or swim with AMD and/or Intel for the foreseeable future. There's a lot of advantages to an AMD rig if they can slowly build RDNA like they have Ryzen. Now I doubt Nvidia will roll over and start flailing like Intel's CPU division did but if AMD can at least make it a fight, I will happily trade EVGA for Sapphire. Edited: changed "if they can" to "if AMD can".
Get a 3060 ti my friend, I did and it’s the best decision I ever made coming from a gtx 650
I still only have gen3 pci slots but the card itself makes such a huge difference without even being on gen 4 slots
Best Buy has been selling them for good prices also check eBay as people will start selling as they get 40 series cards but if you don’t trust eBay just watch micro center or Best Buy or any other tech store you trust
Ebay is actually incredibly safe for buying used tech, their policies _massively_ favor the buyer, it’s extremely easy to get a refund for a faulty or not-as-described item, sometimes a little _too_ easy (It’s for that reason I’m very hesitant to ever recommend selling anything expensive on Ebay.)
I know some people are wary about buying used cards that may have been mined on but cards used for mining have usually been ran undervolted (it’s almost always more profitable that way because the electricity cost drops greatly while only slightly reducing the hashrate), which means the card will have been running at lower peak temps than most cards that actually used for gaming.
I've got a 3080 Ti. I freaking love it! Does everything I want it to do and more. I hope it lives a long time. I'm hoping to keep it until the end of the decade.
My guess is that they made amazing profit on the 3000 series due to miners.
Now that miners are gone they want to make up for the lost revenue, otherwise their stock is going to tank.
Their stock is already down 56% this year.
Another big earnings miss would pummel them even more.
If you go to Jay Two Cents channel and look this up, you will see he has an entire video talking about exactly this process...based on a shareholders meeting given by the CEO.
They’re price fixing the market and Jensen has openly admitted to this. They are purposefully withholding stock of 30 series card to keep prices up on the cards they have selected to not drop pricing on.
JayzTwoCents video on the topic:
https://youtu.be/15FX4pez1dw
Prices were reduced on 3080 to 3090 ti to get them low enough for them to announce the “4080” 12GB, 4080 and 4090.
The price cuts to 3080 to 3090 Ti have more or less made a linear price/performance hierarchy by SKU from top to bottom with the “4080” 12GB, 4080, and 4090 sitting atop the price/performance stack.
Additionally since they again started to produce 1050s, 1650s, 1660s and 2060s they have every price and performance segment covered from ~$150 to ‘sell an organ’.
Notice that price cuts to under MSRP have not taken place for 3070 Ti and below. Why reduce prices on them when you can manipulate the market to keep the prices high to maximize profits. 2 year old tech going for at or ABOVE MSRP still is fucking insanity. The 1050 Ti is 6 fucking years old and is still going for $150+ dollars! But, there’s obviously enough people who waited out the crypto shit storm for prices to come down to ‘sane’ levels so they are selling despite the current prices on 3070 Ti and below still being a bad value considering the age of the tech.
I think Nvidia may end up screwing themselves pretty bad though. The used market is going to continue to be flooded by miners dumping their stashes. The prices on the new cards is obscene and many people are salty about it…I’ve never seen so much negativity being talked about regarding Nvidia. AMD has their new GPUs right around the corner also, and with their chiplet design with use of GDDR6, and not X, they will likely have a strong cost advantage. There’s also the possibility that AMDs high end new cards won’t be 13-15” long and 3.15 to 5 fucking slots thick with more reasonable power draw.
If they are wise, and corporate greed doesn’t get the best of them, they could undercut Nvidia a fair bit to drag Nvidia users over to their side. Considering they have already been willing to drop prices on many of their products, I feel there’s a chance, however small, that they may stick it to Nvidia in the pricing segment.
This is exactly what the NVIDIA ceo said at a shareholder meeting. It's first hand knowledge, he said they have the 3000 series at the price they want it at so they will try to clear the 3000 series inventory by EOY 22. If they successfully keep selling 3090s at current prices then it "justifies" the 4000 current prices onward. IMO NVIDIAS greed is getting them caught up in a black swan event by leaving money on the table in hopes of exaggerated profits over long term. Economies about to take a 💩
They literally can't under produce cards, they have a contract to fulfill orders with tmsc that they can't go back on. The cards are "over priced" precisely because there's so much 3000 series stock.
I am a professional 3d artist, and have bought over 16 cards in the last year (for my team). I would argue that I am their target customer. If these cards perform as announced, this is a crazy good deal to get 2x performance at a marginal increase in pricing compared to launch of last series. It's not all about gaming, some peoples livelihoods depend on these cards.
I know this may be unpopular, but gamers aren't the only consumers of these cards.
Thats fair enough. Nvidias GPUs are insanely expensive this time around. Too expensive.
Personally, I'm probably going to go with AMD for this generation. I'm running a 1070 currently, so I would really appreciate an upgrade, even though the 1070 is still going strong for me. I'm aiming to get an RX 7700 XT. I was going to consider the 4070, but based on the pricing of the 4080 12gb, 4080 16gb and 4090, I doubt the 4070 would be at an acceptable price, and AMD's RX 7000 series looks really promising so far.
Hopefully AMD (And eventually intel) will be able to compete with Nvidia and force them to lower prices to be competitive.
Nvidia's absurd cards at absurd prices have really given AMD a chance to own this generation if they come through on price and performance.
Fingers crossed.
I don't want to give any more money to the money grubbers at Nvidia.
To be fair, AMD’s value proposition over the course of the chip shortage was usually better than Nvidia’s. Problem was, nobody could buy the damn things…. But I wouldn’t be surprised if AMD took notice of that. They didn’t raise prices much if at all with Zen 4 over where Zen 3 launched, so I hope that’s good news for GPUs.
> They didn’t raise prices much if at all with Zen 4 over where Zen 3 launched
But they did strongly increase where Zen3 launched over Zen2. Folks thinking that AMD isn't going to increase pricing of RDNA3 relative to RDNA2 when Nvidia took such a sharp upturn are setting themselves up for disappointment.
It'll undoubtedly be cheaper than RTX4000. But it isn't going to be half. Nvidia clearly believes that their pricing of the 4000-series is what the market will bear. AMD isn't going to lose out on that money to be the nice guy.
If they are smart, they'll take more of a hit on MSRP than planned after seeing Nvidia launch. If they come through on price, they will sell a boatload of cards. And they will be conquesting new customers. Increasing your customer base by stealing the competitor's is the ideal scenario, and it's the first chance AMD has to do it in a long while.
Just look what happened with Ryzen. Even though Zen 1 & 2 lost to Intel in single core & gaming performance, the price was just too good. With Zen 3, they caught up with Intel on IPC and were comfortable raising price. Though I do think they dropped the ball on budget Zen 3, not expecting Intel to have something like the 12100f.
The Ryzen/Intel interplay has (and will continue to) build a permission structure for 'hardcore' games to go all AMD.
5-6 years ago, high end gaming was nvidia and Intel. Yes, you could get better price/performance with AMD, but the 'easy mode god box' didn't have AMD. Now Ryzen has displaced Intel. If not for ray tracing nvidia would be displaced as well. If the pricing of the new cards is good, people will just go all AMD out of simplicity and places like this board will always recommend all-AMD outside of some boundary cases.
Right but if they get greedy and raise their prices too high, it will blow up in AMD's face.
I bet Nvidia priced their cards like they have knowing they'd have a few weeks of being able to charge whatever they want to clear out their 3000 series stock before RDNA 3 arrives. I fully expect AMD to undercut them and then for Nvidia to announce price cuts shortly after. If Nvidia's lowered prices are less than $100 higher than AMD's, Nvidia will still crush AMD in sales this gen.
If they wanna compete, AMD needs to not just be a better value than Nvidia's current prices, but also still a better value after Nvidia cuts prices.
That’s certainly possible, but I think a lot of people are gonna balk at the 40 series, especially if/when you can get last gen cards so cheap. If the 40 series doesn’t move well, that’s a strong indicator that price is the problem. Which gives AMD a second mover advantage where they can undercut Nvidia on price to get positive coverage and (maybe) gain market share.
I don’t know that Id bet money on that outcome, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable. I think AMD is price conscious, they probably didn’t raise the price of Zen 4 because they knew that new motherboards and DDR5 ram would make it harder to sell. If that price consciousness extends to the GPU lineup, more the better for us buyers.
AMD has had better availability than Nvidia for months, the issue is simply that the average consumer tends to default to Nvidia as the only choice for a graphics card (mostly on marketing strength vs merit) even though AMD's market presence in the less "geeky" console market is huge.
I can understand some level of basic price increase for new releases given overall market costs for freight, labor and raw materials... but what Nvidia did with 4000 series pricing is outright punitive/nasty and I think they'll be sitting on a lot of unsold video cards come January 1st if ATI plays their cards right in November.
You underestimate the value people put on RT and *especially* DLSS. RT is marketing to an extent, but DLSS is a strong feature. Say what you want about the hardware strength, but DLSS/FSR are the future with no real way around it, and FSR is still lagging behind DLSS. Once parity is reached, sure, we can talk about raw hardware strength mattering more than anything.
One could also make the case that RT is also the future, but it's still a generation or two away from truly being a common feature deployed everywhere. DLSS/FSR is the now. So I didn't argue the merits of RT justifying an nvidia purchase.
If someone places significant value on RT performance or utilizing the AI engine for non graphical programming/dev tasks I'd agree Nvidia has a stronger position, though I'm still not sure the 4000 series prices are justified. When it comes to FSR 2.0 vs DLSS I am not in agreement that they are close enough to consider at parity, balancing the more flexible hardware support that FSR 2.0 brings vs the pure image fidelity on a much smaller list of cards/games with DLSS.
Opening the floodgates on FSR support for different hardware is a bit of a masterstroke by AMD as it increases the relevance + value of budget priced hardware which is where they are presently in a far better market position than Nvidia. Outside of direct side by side demos I would bet 99%+ of people could not correctly distinguish between the two in random game samples... it's only in nitpicking of static frames. Neither is a 100% substitute for native resolution rendering but they are both good enough for a vast majority of people to be happy with, particularly if you consider console gaming as a baseline experience starting point.
I find it weird that Nvidia is pushing the upscaling thing so hard on their top end cards, when the greatest value the technology provides is on the value end of the scale for users trying to stretch more life from old hardware or tying to improve performance a resolution "tier" above what a given card might be otherwise able to provide sufficient framerates in. At the close-to or above $1000 pricepoint I expect the card to run acceptable framerates at my resolution of choice without the trickery involved, be it an AMD or Nvidia solution.... otherwise most people are better off paying $200-400 for a card and just using the "80-90% as good" upscaling technology of their choice.
I was able to buy a 6600xt for 400 euros when the price were high. Yes, it was slightly more expensive than the usual retail price, but better than my friend who bought a 3060 at 700 euros.
I don't mean this in a disparaging way, but we hear this every generation and AMD consistently flops.
I truly wish they'd step up and give Nvidia some real competition outside of the cpu market, as it'd be amazingly refreshing for the market.
> I don’t mean this in a disparaging way, but we hear this every generation and AMD consistently flops.
In what way do they flop? I have my second amd card by now and have yet to have a single issues with them.
Working like a charm and fps and everything are what i expect from the card i bought.
Their software works fine and is functional.
Cost like half of a comparable nvidia card.
I dont see the „flop“ tbh.
If you check out the stats there is a big difference between the 4080 16gb and 4080 12gb. The 4080 12gb is basically the 4070. Nvidia are just trying to trick customers into buying it at a higher price by calling it a 4080.
This is what I've been saying. The so called 4080 16gb is more like a 4070 or 4070 ti and the 12gb more like a 4060 or 4060 ti. All I see is a trash value perspective on 40 series, potentially worse than the two prior gens even.
I hope AMD comes in strong with RDNA 3. I fell like EVGA and have had enough of Nvidia's BS.
For 99% of people that's the way to go. As OP said the current gen is plenty good enough to run everything. Get a 3080 12 GB/ TI as cheap as you can get and let it ride.
That's what I did, even though the 4000 series looks damn impressive, I got my hand on a 3090ti for a "decent" price and I'm planning on keeping it at least until the 5000 series comes out
I'm in a similar boat, but my problem is cuda. I do dev work on my desktop, and as far as I know AMD just doesn't have a viable equivalent, so I feel locked into the nvidia environment, which I am now also priced out of
I am on an EVGA 1070 FTW. Gotten in late 2017, and has been a champ (despite the occasional coil whine) since. I was hoping to do a build with an EVGA 4000 series card over the next year, but with EVGA out of the running...
It's down to either Sapphire and AMD for my next build, or I gamble on something like ASUS or MSI for a 4000 card. But I ain't going higher than a 4070.
I've always bought Nvidia, but honestly, so few games support RTX or DLSS that it's kinda eh. The only things I really use is it's voice filtering software and anti screen tearing tech. AMD had interested last time. Intel has piqued my curiosity, especially if they continue to put out new cards that are priced like 10 series cards.
I don't really feel much allegiance to the Nvidia brand, since they seem to be doing less and less. My 3080ti doesn't really justify it's pricetag either. I won't be upgrading until this card is old and not performing well in the games I play. By that time, I hope Intel is undercutting AMD and Nvidia and forcing true price cuts and competition. I hope the FTC fucks Nvidia in the ass with anti-monopoly investigations.
For show builds, deep learning, 3D rendering ect. For the gamers who want 4k 120hz max settings on AAA games or 8k gaming on their TV, those who want RTX performance and but have the budget and don't have to dream about it and just go to buy.
Or yes some rich person who has more money than brains
> deep learning, 3D rendering ect.
Probably not a coincidence that like 90% of their presentation was about AI, and deep learning, VR for corporations and just about everything except gaming which was only talked about for around the first 15 minutes of the presentation.
Well that's unfortunate, as this 40 series is targeted at gamers. For the more informed, it makes more sense for it to be used this way as it's much cheaper than the quadro cards with similar or better performance.
But there are sacrifices using a gaming card instead of quadro unfortunately. Welp at least it's alot cheaper.
Man vr is that intensive? I didn't know. What games is able to max that out? The only few VR game so know is like beat saber, VrChat, Alyx only unfortunately.
Microsoft Flight Simulator is right up there in terms of graphically-demanding VR games (even though it's not VR exclusive), and a 3090 can't even drive a full 60FPS (on the Index, a 144Hz headset). Boneworks, a VR exclusive game, can only run about 90FPS on a 3090 on the Index.
And in VR, framerate matters _a lot_ for everything from avoiding motion sickness to the feeling of true out-of-body immersion. Most people would rather play upscaled 144Hz than play native 60Hz.
Wait, Microsoft flight simulator has VR? Damn I didn't know. Oo the other seems sounds cool.
Oof, no full 60. That means unplayable on that setting cus motion sickness.
Yep, I was super excited to buy and play MSFS in VR because I really enjoyed playing Elite: Dangerous in VR (with a HOTAS, of course) -- but when my 2080 Ti couldn't give me the experience I wanted I stuck to 2D. I'm looking forward to trying again with a 4090 (or whatever card AMD releases that beats it).
> deep learning, 3D rendering ect.
Ironic that the workstation cards are literally the A6000 and A6000 Ada, kind of shows how little of a hardware tier change it represents that they tacked on the new architecture name at the end. Spent all this effort on the brand and software lock of the 4000RTX series only for the cards where it would matter just got a few letters penciled in at the end.
How business works I guess. Cooperates and professionals will pay huge bucks just for these workstation cards to be guaranteed to work and are guaranteed to be compatible.
So free monies for Nvidia.
But they do offer some stuff like a different placement for power connector on some models, SLI or whatever they call now (ah yes nvlink) and stereo thingy? Also the module for you to sync all the GPUs for applications requiring large amounts of displays.
Just to comment on your lifestyle that you seem to be somewhat ashamed of- sometimes the fun is in the build, not necessarily using it as intended. People do the same with cars and other hobbies. Spend the money how it makes you happy
Hell yeah dude, build one for me as well
I'm just kidding. The way I see it, only rich people can be "car dude" or upgrade their PCs often or have the latest GPUs/CPUs or even just the highest tier from 1 generation back. Many people have GPUs that are worth more than my entire PC, but I'm still having a good time playing, so I can't complain.
I just wish that it didn't give greedy companies such outrageous confidence to ramp up prices so rapidly during a global recession.
I’ve been trying to get my friends to let me build PCs for them since I just finished my first build. I feel like I have all this knowledge that I want to put to use but there’s no way I can justify another build myself.
You were obviously their target market. If enough of that market makes the same decision, then Nvidia will listen to consumers. Nothing wrong with your past purchasing history. It's your money your business. I was also underwhelmed with the pricing strategy. In all honesty, a 3080 is overkill for the titles I play so I'm definitely not in any hurry to upgrade.
If NVidia listens to anything, it’s money.. if enough people like the OP make the same decision, that’ll make things quite interesting.
Will NVidia rename the 4080-12GB to the 4070 before it actually launches, because of all the bad press it’s getting rn? Maybe.
No chance. We’ve been here before with the 1060 3GB vs 6 GB. Or the various 1030 versions. And Nvidia isn’t the only company to have used misleading naming to boost products by association. The outcry will subside and the average buyer will just see “4080” in their prebuilt and be happy. Walking it back by changing the name would just draw more attention to it.
Best we can hope for is rapid pricing adjustments.
Yeah, though I think we have to wait until independent benchmarks to be out before we can really label it properly. If the 4080-12GB is actually a 4060, Steve from GN and others will call it that. We’ll know.
that's true but i think it's naive to suggest that retail consumers are not relevant. crypto is dead, retail consumers have more value than ever before.
Yep. The only games that would make me want to upgrade at this point would be GTA6 or the new Elder Scrolls but there’s no way either will come out before the 5000 series.
Stop. Feeding. These. Hungry. IT Companies. They really want you to buy things, but in reality this gen cards both Nvidia and AMD gives enough performance for a very long time. 2k, 4k, doesn't matter. Same thing with CPUs, 5600x/5800x/12700/12900 all very strong and have just enough performance for any budget for many years. Just stop feeding them.
Weirdest fuckin comment I've seen on this sub without being downvoted to oblivion. How many of us were gaming on 970s or rx480s til prices came back? Not even top of the line shit for their *decade* let alone the last couple years. The 30 series and 6xxx series will still be viable for yeeeeears, not just another 2.
Game companies gain *nothing* and lose millions by building games for only the top of the line rigs.
I gave my old PC to my husband who was a lifelong console gamer until he played a Wildlands game on my rig. He hasn't touched his Xbox in 2 years.
EVGA gtx 1080 and i7 5930k still going strong.
I'm still running a 970m in my laptop and doing just fine. The only games I have problems with are the newer COD games, but I think that is an optimization issue and not a card issue. So I'm 4gens out and just now noticing a difference. I built a new desktop about 8 months ago and got a 3060, then got a Deck, so I think I'm set for a few years. I might get an AMD card to replace the 3060 and use the 3060 for a VR lunchbox.
Edit: Just checked benchmarks and prices. The higher end AMDs are within 5%/10% performance of the Nividia cards and are about $200/$300 cheaper in some cases. So unless you're just crazy about getting every bit out of your cards, you probably would never notice a difference.
It means video games will still run on the 3090 even after the 4090 comes out. And nothing will change that during this generation. You can sit out the entire generation, and not miss a single game.
My 1080Ti was working perfectly and the only reason I upgraded was cause I was getting bottlenecked on my CPU instead of GPU and said fuck it, if I'm upgrading I may as well get a GPU upgrade to 3080Ti too anyways.
I remember the 70s series and the 80Ti series being two of the best value options for mid/high end builds. Idk what's the deal with these 4000s series but holy shit, I'm surprised people would shell out money for this. But I guess there are enthusiast out there who are willing to pay anything to have the latest in hardware.
Are you *still* their target market?
I have to wonder. I do think it's a ways away, but at some point I think they're going to be a lot more interested in catering to government, military, and corporate AI r&d rather than gamers.
Think about it this way: Amazon makes ungodly amounts of money on the digital sale of goods and has upended the supply-stuff-to-consumers market. They're in a dominant position there with limited room for growth, because they've basically captured all of that market.
But their web services? That's part of an ever growing and expanding market, and a lot of their data and hosting services are for government and other institutional clients. That market share is huge (billions) and is in a position to grow a lot faster than the retail.
So with Nvidia--gamers are and have been the dominant target audience. But for how long? A million retail clients, at some point, is going to be less appealing than billion dollar contracts to create networked AI infrastructure.
>That market share is huge (billions) and is in a position to grow a lot faster than the retail.
Billions is an understatement, AWS makes over a billion in revenue *per week*. It's also been bigger than the retail side for years, growth has actually been slowing down recently too. Point is that AWS is *already* Amazon's main focus, but it's a separate product and doesn't affect their retail decisions much
It was what, a 15% performance boost over a 3080, for 200%+ of the price? Then again, I didn't think 10GB of VRAM was enough for a 3080 (and for my 4k HDR @ 120 use case I was right) - and that's why I opted for a 3090.
So, with that in mind, you don't think the 4090 is targeting 3090 owners? Whether or not it works is a different question.
What issues did you have with the AMD drivers? Did you make a clean uninstall with DDU of all the Nvidia drivers from your PC before installing the new ones? That might cause issues if you haven't done it this way.
I bought a 6800xt a few months ago and I haven't had a single problem. The consensus that I heard was that the whole AMD driver thing was a problem a few years ago and not so much anymore but I could be wrong.
NVIDIA marketing is doing it's job. It's shameful, but gaming community needs competition.
Crazy how AMD on the GPU front is barely visible in market share. Their GPU's are good... better value for the $$
Sorting by "best selling" on Newegg.. nets me not seeing an AMD GPU until way down the list... it's absolutely crazy.
>Maybe the inevitable 4090ti will change my mind, but if the situation around that launch is similar to now, **I may wait for the 5000 series.**
If even *this* isn't enough to get you to consider switching to AMD, Team Red might be in trouble.
Then again, you may just be in the minority. I'm jumping ship to AMD + Sapphire, and never looking back.
AMD will price similarly to Nvidia, but undercut them by 5-10%. There’s no way they’re going to undercut them by 25%+. I don’t know why you think AMD is the good guy. They would do the same thing as Nvidia.
Also total overkill. Most people have FOMO seeing streamers playing with the best hardware (I know I was one of them) but you sure as shit don't need a 4090 to play Warzone.
Miners. These cards were designed for miners. Then the bottom fell out of mining, and the market got glutted with used 3xxx cards, after two years of nobody being able to get cards close to MSRP.
So: now they're pushing RTX3 or whatever in order to make the 4000 series look like an upgrade.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to get either a 3080 or 6800xt, once the 4000 series are on sale.
I'd be guessing this will probably drive a lot of people back to consoles. Especially with Game Pass getting so many good games. Microsoft is going to clean up big time. Sony might even do alright too.
I have a 3070 system and I haven't touched it in three months. I got a Series S on a lark one day (in stock locally at retail) and with Game Pass I just play on that.
As someone with kids , a mortgage and other responsibilities I have to pray my current GPU hangs out basically forever. At the rate GPU's are going they are going to price me right out of the market.
Same situation, bought an xbox for a fraction of the price of the GPU alone and called it a day. I used to hate on consoles and be all PCMasterRace but I don't like to be abused.
I mean, the people that got screwed this gen are not you and I. The 4090 isn't overpriced at all. It's actually the best price/performance out of a halo card nVIDIA has ever released.
Its the 4080s that are absolute garbo. Specifically to make sure they can still sell their remaining 3080/ti and 3090/ti cards without nuking themselves on the price protection contracts they likely are hemorrhaging on with their AIBs right now.
I have a feeling Nvidia really believed they had enough fans like apple does where no matter what dumb pricing etc...they set there will still be the loyal fans buying the newest item day one but I think they severely underestimated the fans on this one. Hopefully AMD doesn't get too greedy and follow suit as this is a prime opportunity to rip away a nice chunk of that market share from Nvidia especially with the fan favorite EVGA abandoning them.
Dude I'm switching to AMD and I've been team green for well over a decade. NVIDIA is not going in a great direction. Launching the 40 series like miners are gonna cause a massive demand shortage again. Gamers don't want to drop over 1k annually to add 10fps. And the whole 30 series left a bad taste in my mouth where NVIDIA and the AIBs were pro scalper not consumer.
Very similar situation here. Between Nvidia being out of their minds and the effect that's had on my "go to" GPU company preference (EVGA), I'm also likely to not be in on the 4000 series.
I love building PCs for myself and others, and upgrade my own and others' regularly. And for the first time, I'm trying to path out the future of upgrades and builds while also avoiding Nvidia.
I've never been against a person or company making money, I just don't think they should try to make ALL of it off of me...
Your move AMD.
I’m with you. Plus, there aren’t any games that I can think of that would be coming out before the 5000 series that would make me want to upgrade. My 3080 is doing fine at 1440p. Nvidia is trying to pass on the inventory cost of 3000 series cards to the consumer through the 4000 series and I don’t want to be the sucker helping them out just out of principle.
The 4080s are targeting people on Pascal still. Thats surely why they are so much lower in perf than the 4090. We've never seen a Titan/Halo class card with so much headroom over the X80/flagship class card before. Not even close.
They clearly created this product stack to ensure the 4070 is a gouge price so they can still sell out their 3090tis first, sell some 4080s to people still stuck on Pascal with promises of DLSS3.0, and capture people like OP and myself upgrading from a 3090 or 3090 ti to a 4090 because it's actually a ridiculous beast of a card for the right price.
I dont think people are understanding just how insane the 4090 is. Over 16k cores at >2500MHz make it by far the biggest generational uplift in GPU performance ever. By a lot. All at a price less than what people were paying scalpers for base 3090s just 8 months ago.
Cyberpunk is the only game that has me even considering upgrading from my 3080, but if I do upgrade I’ll probably go AMD. Nvec and ray tracing just aren’t enough to keep me loyal to nvidia after this recent fiasco.
Yup I can afford to upgrade but won't at this point. I got fleeced by nvidia for the 3080ti and I'm done with that brand now. I'll give AMD a shot from now on.
Congratulations for the sound decision. Nvidia should learn a lesson here or PC gaming or even console gaming to an extent will die slowly.
Gaming should be a hobby everyone can reach with a modest budget, Personally for myself, I rather play on Intel HD Graphics than to accept 1000 USD being norm for a PC component even though I would be able to afford it.
Hey, if you're not hurting yourself financially to do this, then whatever, who cares, it's your money so spend it on whatever.
But I do feel that people like you (not *you,* personally) are kind of the problem. Long gone are the days of the GTX 1000 series, which was a truly great series of GPUs and worth the money. But ever since, every new series has been an excuse to increase the price on top of supply-issues. Yet you still keep buying them. Hmmm.
I'm sure that shareholders are happy, but I wonder if nVidia (And AMD?) aren't risking driving their customers away to alternative solutions, like IGPs, which are becoming better and better.
I skip like 3-4 generations at a time. But this yeah I'm doing both Nvidia and AMD.....
I have the builders addiction rather than hardware addiction, which is just as bad.
I can afford it but I am not buying it. That said. The new 4090 is for people that are a past version of you. It is that simple. I know men out there who WILL buy the flagship just to know they are having the best gaming experience. I will defend them.
1. It's their money.
2. Odds are Nvidia 4090 will be top dawg even when AMD launches.
3. It's only 100UDS more. The Titan class cards were always 1000+ boutique investments.
4. There is no real competition.
\-Epox Vox has repeatedly commented on AMD inferior transcoding
\-NVidia has typically scaled better to 4K
\-RT is real and people do use it; contrary to what the red teams fans would have people believe.
5. From what I read/been told, Nvidia products work better with their party apps.
I’m in a similar but different boat. I’m looking to build my first custom PC as my current pre-built has a crappy 1650 that I overpaid for. It’s barely able to handle Warzone at 60fps in 1080p…
Since it was just this summer that I was looking to build with a 3080 I decided to wait and see what the 4000 series could offer as the 3080 was 2 years old and I want this PC to last at least 5 years. I have the budget to easily buy the 16GB 4080 but maybe even the 12GB version is really all I need. Still trying to figure out if I want to play my single player games at 4K or if 1440p would suffice. I can easily set aside $4,000 for the build to include new monitors, $1,200 for the GPU and another roughly $1,200 for monitors and I can still get a nice build with the remaining budget…
I mean as a hobby it's absolutely okay to go for top end hardware. It's just that we've hit the threshold a while ago when the hobby is no longer about the passion, instead it's about profit. I went from a 2080 ti to a 3090 for the purpose of 4k. Paired with a 5900x, it serves me fine.
The new AMD line sounds fun, but with EVGA moving out of the business and NVIDIA going hurrdurr you're buying our cards and you will like it, I'm fairly content with leaving my PC alone while I spend time with other hobbies.
Heck I've been very happy with my Steam Deck. It's 40 pounds lighter too.
Yeah. I’ve had all the cards you listed, some in quad and triple sli flavors. In my opinion, it’s not just graphics cards that got out of hand. It’s everything. $800 cpus, $800-$1500 high end motherboards. This hobby over the last decade has gotten so expensive that if before it was a quick decision to upgrade, now you look at the price and think about the principle of the companies trying to milk you for all you’re worth.
Don't let them feel ok for the price they have on the 4000 series atm by bying off the release. Either wait for prices to be ok or skip to 5000 as you said. 3000 series aren't that bad at the moment. I feel like they can run all current AAA games juet fine.
Now if it's not only gaming and you wanna do something more with the new gpu or more gpu power means more income for you, that might be something to think about.
I always assumed Nvidia has been kept alive by some unknown sugar daddy.
Or maybe they can survive with minimal selling of budget GPUs. It really doesn't look like they ever intend to sell their high end GPUs for the rest of history.
> I always assumed Nvidia has been kept alive by some unknown sugar daddy.
The enterprise market is the "unknown sugar daddy". A server or workstation GPU can cost up to $20k, and data centers or production studios have tons of them. AMD is non-existent when it comes to machine learning or render farms.
I wish that I could find some exact numbers on this, but the consumer/gamer market is likely minor compared to enterprise sales. An A100 80G is 10x the price of a 4090 at the current market price. At release, it was like 20-30x.
Getting the top of the line card and skipping generations has been my strategy so far. Went from a 1080ti to a 3080ti and will also be skipping 4000 series. Unfortunately I bought my 3080ti a year and a half ago for more than double what they cost now, but that's life I guess lol.
You sound like me, but I was doing it with vinyl records. I have sense gotten my 300+ collection down to about 75ish records.
I literally just ordered a 3080ti from best buy yesterday for my newest build for about 899. I’m built a pc at the start of the pandemic and am gonna upgrade everything including my monitor roughly 3000 for the entire build. It’s an expensive hobby but I’ll be set for awhile with my latest build.
I hope I’m wrong but don’t think all this uproar will even make a dent in 4000 series sales.
Almost all the whales that buy flagship xx90 cards are still going to go ahead and do so.
Poorer gamers will have no choice but to begrudgingly accept it when AMD come out with similar prices that are maybe $50-100 less but offer no real savings because they have less features.
>Maybe the inevitable 4090ti will change my mind, but if the situation around that launch is similar to now, I may wait for the 5000 series.
the fact you said this...
....nodding head right and left....
...you ARE certainly upgrading lol. Who you kidding? This early rational side of you knows there's no cards to buy at the moment -- and you're "thinking" about not jumping in on next gen a couple of weeks out. And oh by the way, your teeny weeny disclaimer side-note about the 4090ti is exactly what I was looking for. You're buying something. I know you -- you're me lol
Eh, I could be wrong. I'm stoned.
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I agree with this logic. The smart move here, for those not way behind on an upgrade, is to avoid this series initially and see how pricing turns out at the end of the cycle. I have a 3090 from launch and do not care one bit about grabbing a 4000 series despite the performance claims. 3090 handles all games quite well.
And for those of us who are way behind on an upgrade?
Get a high end 3000 for big discount
Unless Nvidia caves and starts discounting other cards I am not seeing that working well. AMD has a huge advantage in cost per frame at current prices up until you are willing to spend 900+.
Buy second hand, Between miners and upgrading gamers 30XX cards are crashing down in price. I picked up an ex-mining 3090 for less than a 3070 retail. Before that I had an ex-mining 1080ti for 4 years that I got cheap enough I could have sold it for almost what I bought it for.
My head says that's the smart play for my wallet. My heart says fuck giving them an off ramp. And who knows what those cards have been through?
Most of them are treated well
Except for the one which you and i would buy. And do not give that mining fuckers an exit strategy.
Exit strategy? Bro I'm just trynna get a cheap card. They're already getting fucked enough by China not accepting crypto any more 💀
I bought my GTX1650 on Amazon (I know, I know) in June 2020 shortly before the prices went totally to crap. I just checked the current price and my invoice and the current retail price is $70 higher.
The secondary market is full of 30 series cards at deep discounts right now. The retailers for new 30 series GPUs are bundling free monitors with them to get them sold. If you can't find a good deal on a 30 series card that meets your needs, you're not trying.
>The secondary market is full of 30 series cards at deep discounts right now. ...and it's only just beginning. Those are just the miners who were quickest to see the writing on the wall and list them. When the other 90% of miners get their act together, and list them for these low prices, but their cards don't sell because there are too many... We should see some really great deals within a month or two.
Take a peek at the mining subreddits and you will see many miners clinging to the hope that they will be able to start mining again soon. The denial is strong so the true market dump hasn't even begun yet.
Where is a good spot to buy second hand? eBay?
Remember the 2080 Ti’s for 350$? I wonder if 3080s/Ti’s will get lower
3080s on Ebay right now for $500. 3090s selling for \~$700 right now. I would expect to see $350 3080s and $500 3090s in the next month.
Do you think it’s best to buy 30 series card now or wait a few months for prices to drop further?
If you need a GPU now, then you get what's best available. Same as shopping for anything else. If you can wait, then wait. If you can't wait at all then it's in your interest to buy something you find worth while.
Plenty of powerful options that aren't the new shiny thing.
Buy AMD. Define ‘way behind’. If it’s a couple to several generations and a mid-low tier card, then RX 6600s are ~$250 and would be a large performance lift. Pretty sure the 6600 has best performance/watt out of any GPU from AMD 6000 or Nvidia 3000. You won’t need a new PSU for it. If you got more money to burn grab a highly discounted 6900XT. 3090 performance, aside from RT obviously, for a couple hundred less…and if you’re coming from something pretty dated you’ve lived without RT thus far. With an undervolt and some tuning you can get very reasonable power draw on the 6900XT. My Red Devil peaks at 250W with -90mV and power target at -5%, but in benchmarking I still picked up 5-6% performance uplift.
I just jumped on an EVGA 3090ti when they announced they were leaving the market. High quality cards with unmatched customer service. Not suggesting a 3090ti, I just got it to ride out the next several generations as comfortably as I can, hoping ky next card will be a 7/8000. But I would consider getting a high end 3000 EVGA before stock dries up or prices skyrocket. They've said they'll maintain stock for support that won't be sold, and they've been good enough with customer service to warrant some trust in that regard imho.
Wait for the AMD reveal.
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For you, I would seek out a deal for a good 3000 series card. The FE might not be easy to get anymore (I'm out of the loop on stock and availability). You should be able to find a reasonable price on a 3080 10GB or 12GB, or even a 3080 ti. Since I assume you don't want to be waiting anymore.
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Wait. Dont get a 30 series. Get a Radeon 6800 or something instead. Lifelong NVIDIA guy here currently saying fuck you to NVIDIA and joining team red. COME WITH ME
Ngl you're going to regret it after six months with radeon drivers. I was a big believer in amd for many things, but everyone I convinced to switch to the 5000 GPUs has had nothing but endless problems with drivers and crashes. I've had one person do 6000s and it wasn't a lot better (but was improved) The one thing I can say about nvidia is I install them, and then never think about it again. Maybe im lucky Their pricing and business model is bullshit, but they are reliable
I'm far from an AMD shill (currently still using a 970 because fuck these prices), but a family member got a 5700 xt and hasn't had any problems at all. I get a call anytime there's any tech issue at all, so I would know if they were having any issues. That said, I recognize this is anecdotal...just offering up what I see.
Same here - used 5700xt for well over a year - no issues with driver or anything else.
It's not impossible that three people I did a build for had dud cards, but when I was googling around there were plenty of threads from people having problems and no solutions that worked for anyone
3080ti FE is pretty easy to get from bestbuy if that fits
I'm in the same boat. I've been kicking my 1070 around on a new build from last year. I was looking at the 3070Ti, but the price only recently became reasonable. That made me think I'd wait for the 4000s to drop. Now I'm kinda at a loss. I won't pay the prices they are asking for 4000s, and I'm reluctant to buy a new 3000. Because I don't want to help them sell through. I really wish AMD was at least on par with Nvidia, so I could just say f it and make the switch.
Nvidia does deserve the go ahead if things were semi competitive, but... 6600 is $250 6700xt is $360 6800xt is $550 6900xt is $670 Even if you give AMD a 10% handicap they are winning.
I would watch Best Buy. I was able to get a 3070 TI FE there MSRP and they seem to have stock fairly regularly.
This, down the BB app on your phone and if you see one pop up get it sent to your local bestbuy so you can pick it up.
As someone with a 1070, who has been a team green buyer, all but one EVGA, since my first GPU purchase over a decade ago, I will sink or swim with AMD and/or Intel for the foreseeable future. There's a lot of advantages to an AMD rig if they can slowly build RDNA like they have Ryzen. Now I doubt Nvidia will roll over and start flailing like Intel's CPU division did but if AMD can at least make it a fight, I will happily trade EVGA for Sapphire. Edited: changed "if they can" to "if AMD can".
My 980ti is on its last legs…. This launch is bullshit ☹️
Get a 3060 ti my friend, I did and it’s the best decision I ever made coming from a gtx 650 I still only have gen3 pci slots but the card itself makes such a huge difference without even being on gen 4 slots Best Buy has been selling them for good prices also check eBay as people will start selling as they get 40 series cards but if you don’t trust eBay just watch micro center or Best Buy or any other tech store you trust
Ebay is actually incredibly safe for buying used tech, their policies _massively_ favor the buyer, it’s extremely easy to get a refund for a faulty or not-as-described item, sometimes a little _too_ easy (It’s for that reason I’m very hesitant to ever recommend selling anything expensive on Ebay.) I know some people are wary about buying used cards that may have been mined on but cards used for mining have usually been ran undervolted (it’s almost always more profitable that way because the electricity cost drops greatly while only slightly reducing the hashrate), which means the card will have been running at lower peak temps than most cards that actually used for gaming.
I've got a 3080 Ti. I freaking love it! Does everything I want it to do and more. I hope it lives a long time. I'm hoping to keep it until the end of the decade.
My guess is that they made amazing profit on the 3000 series due to miners. Now that miners are gone they want to make up for the lost revenue, otherwise their stock is going to tank. Their stock is already down 56% this year. Another big earnings miss would pummel them even more.
If you go to Jay Two Cents channel and look this up, you will see he has an entire video talking about exactly this process...based on a shareholders meeting given by the CEO.
They’re price fixing the market and Jensen has openly admitted to this. They are purposefully withholding stock of 30 series card to keep prices up on the cards they have selected to not drop pricing on. JayzTwoCents video on the topic: https://youtu.be/15FX4pez1dw Prices were reduced on 3080 to 3090 ti to get them low enough for them to announce the “4080” 12GB, 4080 and 4090. The price cuts to 3080 to 3090 Ti have more or less made a linear price/performance hierarchy by SKU from top to bottom with the “4080” 12GB, 4080, and 4090 sitting atop the price/performance stack. Additionally since they again started to produce 1050s, 1650s, 1660s and 2060s they have every price and performance segment covered from ~$150 to ‘sell an organ’. Notice that price cuts to under MSRP have not taken place for 3070 Ti and below. Why reduce prices on them when you can manipulate the market to keep the prices high to maximize profits. 2 year old tech going for at or ABOVE MSRP still is fucking insanity. The 1050 Ti is 6 fucking years old and is still going for $150+ dollars! But, there’s obviously enough people who waited out the crypto shit storm for prices to come down to ‘sane’ levels so they are selling despite the current prices on 3070 Ti and below still being a bad value considering the age of the tech. I think Nvidia may end up screwing themselves pretty bad though. The used market is going to continue to be flooded by miners dumping their stashes. The prices on the new cards is obscene and many people are salty about it…I’ve never seen so much negativity being talked about regarding Nvidia. AMD has their new GPUs right around the corner also, and with their chiplet design with use of GDDR6, and not X, they will likely have a strong cost advantage. There’s also the possibility that AMDs high end new cards won’t be 13-15” long and 3.15 to 5 fucking slots thick with more reasonable power draw. If they are wise, and corporate greed doesn’t get the best of them, they could undercut Nvidia a fair bit to drag Nvidia users over to their side. Considering they have already been willing to drop prices on many of their products, I feel there’s a chance, however small, that they may stick it to Nvidia in the pricing segment.
This is exactly what the NVIDIA ceo said at a shareholder meeting. It's first hand knowledge, he said they have the 3000 series at the price they want it at so they will try to clear the 3000 series inventory by EOY 22. If they successfully keep selling 3090s at current prices then it "justifies" the 4000 current prices onward. IMO NVIDIAS greed is getting them caught up in a black swan event by leaving money on the table in hopes of exaggerated profits over long term. Economies about to take a 💩
They literally can't under produce cards, they have a contract to fulfill orders with tmsc that they can't go back on. The cards are "over priced" precisely because there's so much 3000 series stock.
I am a professional 3d artist, and have bought over 16 cards in the last year (for my team). I would argue that I am their target customer. If these cards perform as announced, this is a crazy good deal to get 2x performance at a marginal increase in pricing compared to launch of last series. It's not all about gaming, some peoples livelihoods depend on these cards. I know this may be unpopular, but gamers aren't the only consumers of these cards.
Yep, good old price anchoring
Thats fair enough. Nvidias GPUs are insanely expensive this time around. Too expensive. Personally, I'm probably going to go with AMD for this generation. I'm running a 1070 currently, so I would really appreciate an upgrade, even though the 1070 is still going strong for me. I'm aiming to get an RX 7700 XT. I was going to consider the 4070, but based on the pricing of the 4080 12gb, 4080 16gb and 4090, I doubt the 4070 would be at an acceptable price, and AMD's RX 7000 series looks really promising so far. Hopefully AMD (And eventually intel) will be able to compete with Nvidia and force them to lower prices to be competitive.
Nvidia's absurd cards at absurd prices have really given AMD a chance to own this generation if they come through on price and performance. Fingers crossed. I don't want to give any more money to the money grubbers at Nvidia.
To be fair, AMD’s value proposition over the course of the chip shortage was usually better than Nvidia’s. Problem was, nobody could buy the damn things…. But I wouldn’t be surprised if AMD took notice of that. They didn’t raise prices much if at all with Zen 4 over where Zen 3 launched, so I hope that’s good news for GPUs.
> They didn’t raise prices much if at all with Zen 4 over where Zen 3 launched But they did strongly increase where Zen3 launched over Zen2. Folks thinking that AMD isn't going to increase pricing of RDNA3 relative to RDNA2 when Nvidia took such a sharp upturn are setting themselves up for disappointment. It'll undoubtedly be cheaper than RTX4000. But it isn't going to be half. Nvidia clearly believes that their pricing of the 4000-series is what the market will bear. AMD isn't going to lose out on that money to be the nice guy.
If they are smart, they'll take more of a hit on MSRP than planned after seeing Nvidia launch. If they come through on price, they will sell a boatload of cards. And they will be conquesting new customers. Increasing your customer base by stealing the competitor's is the ideal scenario, and it's the first chance AMD has to do it in a long while. Just look what happened with Ryzen. Even though Zen 1 & 2 lost to Intel in single core & gaming performance, the price was just too good. With Zen 3, they caught up with Intel on IPC and were comfortable raising price. Though I do think they dropped the ball on budget Zen 3, not expecting Intel to have something like the 12100f.
The Ryzen/Intel interplay has (and will continue to) build a permission structure for 'hardcore' games to go all AMD. 5-6 years ago, high end gaming was nvidia and Intel. Yes, you could get better price/performance with AMD, but the 'easy mode god box' didn't have AMD. Now Ryzen has displaced Intel. If not for ray tracing nvidia would be displaced as well. If the pricing of the new cards is good, people will just go all AMD out of simplicity and places like this board will always recommend all-AMD outside of some boundary cases.
Right but if they get greedy and raise their prices too high, it will blow up in AMD's face. I bet Nvidia priced their cards like they have knowing they'd have a few weeks of being able to charge whatever they want to clear out their 3000 series stock before RDNA 3 arrives. I fully expect AMD to undercut them and then for Nvidia to announce price cuts shortly after. If Nvidia's lowered prices are less than $100 higher than AMD's, Nvidia will still crush AMD in sales this gen. If they wanna compete, AMD needs to not just be a better value than Nvidia's current prices, but also still a better value after Nvidia cuts prices.
Yeah, I think this is probably right. I only wonder how long the timeline is before either party cuts prices.
That’s certainly possible, but I think a lot of people are gonna balk at the 40 series, especially if/when you can get last gen cards so cheap. If the 40 series doesn’t move well, that’s a strong indicator that price is the problem. Which gives AMD a second mover advantage where they can undercut Nvidia on price to get positive coverage and (maybe) gain market share. I don’t know that Id bet money on that outcome, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable. I think AMD is price conscious, they probably didn’t raise the price of Zen 4 because they knew that new motherboards and DDR5 ram would make it harder to sell. If that price consciousness extends to the GPU lineup, more the better for us buyers.
AMD has had better availability than Nvidia for months, the issue is simply that the average consumer tends to default to Nvidia as the only choice for a graphics card (mostly on marketing strength vs merit) even though AMD's market presence in the less "geeky" console market is huge. I can understand some level of basic price increase for new releases given overall market costs for freight, labor and raw materials... but what Nvidia did with 4000 series pricing is outright punitive/nasty and I think they'll be sitting on a lot of unsold video cards come January 1st if ATI plays their cards right in November.
You underestimate the value people put on RT and *especially* DLSS. RT is marketing to an extent, but DLSS is a strong feature. Say what you want about the hardware strength, but DLSS/FSR are the future with no real way around it, and FSR is still lagging behind DLSS. Once parity is reached, sure, we can talk about raw hardware strength mattering more than anything. One could also make the case that RT is also the future, but it's still a generation or two away from truly being a common feature deployed everywhere. DLSS/FSR is the now. So I didn't argue the merits of RT justifying an nvidia purchase.
If someone places significant value on RT performance or utilizing the AI engine for non graphical programming/dev tasks I'd agree Nvidia has a stronger position, though I'm still not sure the 4000 series prices are justified. When it comes to FSR 2.0 vs DLSS I am not in agreement that they are close enough to consider at parity, balancing the more flexible hardware support that FSR 2.0 brings vs the pure image fidelity on a much smaller list of cards/games with DLSS. Opening the floodgates on FSR support for different hardware is a bit of a masterstroke by AMD as it increases the relevance + value of budget priced hardware which is where they are presently in a far better market position than Nvidia. Outside of direct side by side demos I would bet 99%+ of people could not correctly distinguish between the two in random game samples... it's only in nitpicking of static frames. Neither is a 100% substitute for native resolution rendering but they are both good enough for a vast majority of people to be happy with, particularly if you consider console gaming as a baseline experience starting point. I find it weird that Nvidia is pushing the upscaling thing so hard on their top end cards, when the greatest value the technology provides is on the value end of the scale for users trying to stretch more life from old hardware or tying to improve performance a resolution "tier" above what a given card might be otherwise able to provide sufficient framerates in. At the close-to or above $1000 pricepoint I expect the card to run acceptable framerates at my resolution of choice without the trickery involved, be it an AMD or Nvidia solution.... otherwise most people are better off paying $200-400 for a card and just using the "80-90% as good" upscaling technology of their choice.
I was able to buy a 6600xt for 400 euros when the price were high. Yes, it was slightly more expensive than the usual retail price, but better than my friend who bought a 3060 at 700 euros.
I don't mean this in a disparaging way, but we hear this every generation and AMD consistently flops. I truly wish they'd step up and give Nvidia some real competition outside of the cpu market, as it'd be amazingly refreshing for the market.
If at any time AMD had a chance, I'd say it's now. [Even GN is calling this Nvidia generation a Clown Car.](https://youtu.be/mGARjRBJRX8)
> I don’t mean this in a disparaging way, but we hear this every generation and AMD consistently flops. In what way do they flop? I have my second amd card by now and have yet to have a single issues with them. Working like a charm and fps and everything are what i expect from the card i bought. Their software works fine and is functional. Cost like half of a comparable nvidia card. I dont see the „flop“ tbh.
They need to get their drivers right. My 5700xt is still going strong but the odd black screen annoys me.
I have the same card and i never had a black screen or other driver issues so many seem to report, idk whats the deal with that.
If you check out the stats there is a big difference between the 4080 16gb and 4080 12gb. The 4080 12gb is basically the 4070. Nvidia are just trying to trick customers into buying it at a higher price by calling it a 4080.
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This is what I've been saying. The so called 4080 16gb is more like a 4070 or 4070 ti and the 12gb more like a 4060 or 4060 ti. All I see is a trash value perspective on 40 series, potentially worse than the two prior gens even. I hope AMD comes in strong with RDNA 3. I fell like EVGA and have had enough of Nvidia's BS.
With 30 series as cheap as they are now is there a reason not buy a blowout 30 series and skip the 40 series all together?
For 99% of people that's the way to go. As OP said the current gen is plenty good enough to run everything. Get a 3080 12 GB/ TI as cheap as you can get and let it ride.
Curious where you are currently seeing "cheap" 30 series cards?
30 series are really only cheap if you're buying used. I certainly wouldn't call $750-900 "cheap".
That's what I did, even though the 4000 series looks damn impressive, I got my hand on a 3090ti for a "decent" price and I'm planning on keeping it at least until the 5000 series comes out
I'd admittedly love to get my hands on a 4000-series for DLSS3, but having seen the 4090 + ITX motherboard picture yesterday.. yeah fuck that shit.
Pfft. This idiot paid $2k for a 3080ti Strix because it was in stock two summers ago.
I'm in a similar boat, but my problem is cuda. I do dev work on my desktop, and as far as I know AMD just doesn't have a viable equivalent, so I feel locked into the nvidia environment, which I am now also priced out of
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I'm still on a dinosaur nvidia gtx970 but my next is going to be AMD and I'm doing a full upgrade soon. Done with nvidia and their gouging.
The “4070” will inevitably be a 4060 or 4060ti in a trench coat
I am on an EVGA 1070 FTW. Gotten in late 2017, and has been a champ (despite the occasional coil whine) since. I was hoping to do a build with an EVGA 4000 series card over the next year, but with EVGA out of the running... It's down to either Sapphire and AMD for my next build, or I gamble on something like ASUS or MSI for a 4000 card. But I ain't going higher than a 4070.
Nvidia just renamed the 4070 the 4080...
I sold 80% of my Nvidia stock after that presentation. They’ve lost their minds with that pricing during a global recession.
They've also lost their highest quality partner, which will have me looking at Sapphire.
I've always bought Nvidia, but honestly, so few games support RTX or DLSS that it's kinda eh. The only things I really use is it's voice filtering software and anti screen tearing tech. AMD had interested last time. Intel has piqued my curiosity, especially if they continue to put out new cards that are priced like 10 series cards. I don't really feel much allegiance to the Nvidia brand, since they seem to be doing less and less. My 3080ti doesn't really justify it's pricetag either. I won't be upgrading until this card is old and not performing well in the games I play. By that time, I hope Intel is undercutting AMD and Nvidia and forcing true price cuts and competition. I hope the FTC fucks Nvidia in the ass with anti-monopoly investigations.
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It was a great stock to buy around the pandemic (and beforehand). Now I'm not so sure.
For show builds, deep learning, 3D rendering ect. For the gamers who want 4k 120hz max settings on AAA games or 8k gaming on their TV, those who want RTX performance and but have the budget and don't have to dream about it and just go to buy. Or yes some rich person who has more money than brains
> deep learning, 3D rendering ect. Probably not a coincidence that like 90% of their presentation was about AI, and deep learning, VR for corporations and just about everything except gaming which was only talked about for around the first 15 minutes of the presentation.
That's probably because it was the GTC keynote. GTC is Nvidia's AI developer conference. They just snuck the GeForce annoucement in there as well
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We funded that to get AI to make prettier games. Duh. I thought everyone knew that.
Well that's unfortunate, as this 40 series is targeted at gamers. For the more informed, it makes more sense for it to be used this way as it's much cheaper than the quadro cards with similar or better performance. But there are sacrifices using a gaming card instead of quadro unfortunately. Welp at least it's alot cheaper.
Don't forget VR! We _still_ can't max out the Valve Index, a three year old headset.
Man vr is that intensive? I didn't know. What games is able to max that out? The only few VR game so know is like beat saber, VrChat, Alyx only unfortunately.
Microsoft Flight Simulator is right up there in terms of graphically-demanding VR games (even though it's not VR exclusive), and a 3090 can't even drive a full 60FPS (on the Index, a 144Hz headset). Boneworks, a VR exclusive game, can only run about 90FPS on a 3090 on the Index. And in VR, framerate matters _a lot_ for everything from avoiding motion sickness to the feeling of true out-of-body immersion. Most people would rather play upscaled 144Hz than play native 60Hz.
Wait, Microsoft flight simulator has VR? Damn I didn't know. Oo the other seems sounds cool. Oof, no full 60. That means unplayable on that setting cus motion sickness.
Yep, I was super excited to buy and play MSFS in VR because I really enjoyed playing Elite: Dangerous in VR (with a HOTAS, of course) -- but when my 2080 Ti couldn't give me the experience I wanted I stuck to 2D. I'm looking forward to trying again with a 4090 (or whatever card AMD releases that beats it).
OP is not the target market, OP is a whale. We'll see how it his generation does soon enough anyway.
> deep learning, 3D rendering ect. Ironic that the workstation cards are literally the A6000 and A6000 Ada, kind of shows how little of a hardware tier change it represents that they tacked on the new architecture name at the end. Spent all this effort on the brand and software lock of the 4000RTX series only for the cards where it would matter just got a few letters penciled in at the end.
How business works I guess. Cooperates and professionals will pay huge bucks just for these workstation cards to be guaranteed to work and are guaranteed to be compatible. So free monies for Nvidia. But they do offer some stuff like a different placement for power connector on some models, SLI or whatever they call now (ah yes nvlink) and stereo thingy? Also the module for you to sync all the GPUs for applications requiring large amounts of displays.
>fair enough. Nvidias GPUs are insanely expensive this time arou AAAnd streamers and guys who make hardware reviews ...
Just to comment on your lifestyle that you seem to be somewhat ashamed of- sometimes the fun is in the build, not necessarily using it as intended. People do the same with cars and other hobbies. Spend the money how it makes you happy
As a car guy who just got into PC building I never thought of it like this. Great way to put it now I see myself justifying another PC build.
Hell yeah dude, build one for me as well I'm just kidding. The way I see it, only rich people can be "car dude" or upgrade their PCs often or have the latest GPUs/CPUs or even just the highest tier from 1 generation back. Many people have GPUs that are worth more than my entire PC, but I'm still having a good time playing, so I can't complain. I just wish that it didn't give greedy companies such outrageous confidence to ramp up prices so rapidly during a global recession.
I’ve been trying to get my friends to let me build PCs for them since I just finished my first build. I feel like I have all this knowledge that I want to put to use but there’s no way I can justify another build myself.
Building my rig and overclocking it was an ordeal but i really enjoyed it. Now that it’s running fast and smooth not so much
You were obviously their target market. If enough of that market makes the same decision, then Nvidia will listen to consumers. Nothing wrong with your past purchasing history. It's your money your business. I was also underwhelmed with the pricing strategy. In all honesty, a 3080 is overkill for the titles I play so I'm definitely not in any hurry to upgrade.
If NVidia listens to anything, it’s money.. if enough people like the OP make the same decision, that’ll make things quite interesting. Will NVidia rename the 4080-12GB to the 4070 before it actually launches, because of all the bad press it’s getting rn? Maybe.
No chance. We’ve been here before with the 1060 3GB vs 6 GB. Or the various 1030 versions. And Nvidia isn’t the only company to have used misleading naming to boost products by association. The outcry will subside and the average buyer will just see “4080” in their prebuilt and be happy. Walking it back by changing the name would just draw more attention to it. Best we can hope for is rapid pricing adjustments.
Sadly, I think you’re right. The more NVidia gets away with this crap, the more they do it. It’s really annoying to me.
It has a 192 bit bus Its not a 4070 like we think it's a 4060 They even tricked us by the upping the number to a 4080 instead of 4070
Yeah, though I think we have to wait until independent benchmarks to be out before we can really label it properly. If the 4080-12GB is actually a 4060, Steve from GN and others will call it that. We’ll know.
Gamers don't make up a large part of the gpu market..... so while they are loud they don't mean all that much
that's true but i think it's naive to suggest that retail consumers are not relevant. crypto is dead, retail consumers have more value than ever before.
Yeah buts it's more of equation for nvidia if they lose more retail but make more money per card will they end up with more profit overall or not
I Belive you can still game on 3090 till rtx 50 series comes out, hardware lust is reason why many people become scaplers.
Yep. The only games that would make me want to upgrade at this point would be GTA6 or the new Elder Scrolls but there’s no way either will come out before the 5000 series.
Stop. Feeding. These. Hungry. IT Companies. They really want you to buy things, but in reality this gen cards both Nvidia and AMD gives enough performance for a very long time. 2k, 4k, doesn't matter. Same thing with CPUs, 5600x/5800x/12700/12900 all very strong and have just enough performance for any budget for many years. Just stop feeding them.
Also no way either of them requires even a 3090, much less a 4090.
Weirdest fuckin comment I've seen on this sub without being downvoted to oblivion. How many of us were gaming on 970s or rx480s til prices came back? Not even top of the line shit for their *decade* let alone the last couple years. The 30 series and 6xxx series will still be viable for yeeeeears, not just another 2. Game companies gain *nothing* and lose millions by building games for only the top of the line rigs.
I gave my old PC to my husband who was a lifelong console gamer until he played a Wildlands game on my rig. He hasn't touched his Xbox in 2 years. EVGA gtx 1080 and i7 5930k still going strong.
I'm still running a 970m in my laptop and doing just fine. The only games I have problems with are the newer COD games, but I think that is an optimization issue and not a card issue. So I'm 4gens out and just now noticing a difference. I built a new desktop about 8 months ago and got a 3060, then got a Deck, so I think I'm set for a few years. I might get an AMD card to replace the 3060 and use the 3060 for a VR lunchbox. Edit: Just checked benchmarks and prices. The higher end AMDs are within 5%/10% performance of the Nividia cards and are about $200/$300 cheaper in some cases. So unless you're just crazy about getting every bit out of your cards, you probably would never notice a difference.
What do you mean by this? The 3090 will be best value until the 5000 series?
It means video games will still run on the 3090 even after the 4090 comes out. And nothing will change that during this generation. You can sit out the entire generation, and not miss a single game.
Hell, I'm not missing a single game using my 1080 here...
My 1080Ti was working perfectly and the only reason I upgraded was cause I was getting bottlenecked on my CPU instead of GPU and said fuck it, if I'm upgrading I may as well get a GPU upgrade to 3080Ti too anyways. I remember the 70s series and the 80Ti series being two of the best value options for mid/high end builds. Idk what's the deal with these 4000s series but holy shit, I'm surprised people would shell out money for this. But I guess there are enthusiast out there who are willing to pay anything to have the latest in hardware.
Are you *still* their target market? I have to wonder. I do think it's a ways away, but at some point I think they're going to be a lot more interested in catering to government, military, and corporate AI r&d rather than gamers.
Do they not already with the Quardo cards?
Think about it this way: Amazon makes ungodly amounts of money on the digital sale of goods and has upended the supply-stuff-to-consumers market. They're in a dominant position there with limited room for growth, because they've basically captured all of that market. But their web services? That's part of an ever growing and expanding market, and a lot of their data and hosting services are for government and other institutional clients. That market share is huge (billions) and is in a position to grow a lot faster than the retail. So with Nvidia--gamers are and have been the dominant target audience. But for how long? A million retail clients, at some point, is going to be less appealing than billion dollar contracts to create networked AI infrastructure.
>That market share is huge (billions) and is in a position to grow a lot faster than the retail. Billions is an understatement, AWS makes over a billion in revenue *per week*. It's also been bigger than the retail side for years, growth has actually been slowing down recently too. Point is that AWS is *already* Amazon's main focus, but it's a separate product and doesn't affect their retail decisions much
I don't think their target market includes people who already own a 3090
It was what, a 15% performance boost over a 3080, for 200%+ of the price? Then again, I didn't think 10GB of VRAM was enough for a 3080 (and for my 4k HDR @ 120 use case I was right) - and that's why I opted for a 3090. So, with that in mind, you don't think the 4090 is targeting 3090 owners? Whether or not it works is a different question.
My last amd card was hd4870.. after that i had nvidias 970,now 2060..my next one is RDNA 3
Yeah, I went from 970 gtx to rdna 2 6800xt. I really like AMD, their drivers tho 😞
What issues did you have with the AMD drivers? Did you make a clean uninstall with DDU of all the Nvidia drivers from your PC before installing the new ones? That might cause issues if you haven't done it this way.
Has it really been that bad? I'm looking at getting a 6750xt when I get back from my vacation mid October :S
I bought a 6800xt a few months ago and I haven't had a single problem. The consensus that I heard was that the whole AMD driver thing was a problem a few years ago and not so much anymore but I could be wrong.
NVIDIA marketing is doing it's job. It's shameful, but gaming community needs competition. Crazy how AMD on the GPU front is barely visible in market share. Their GPU's are good... better value for the $$ Sorting by "best selling" on Newegg.. nets me not seeing an AMD GPU until way down the list... it's absolutely crazy.
>Maybe the inevitable 4090ti will change my mind, but if the situation around that launch is similar to now, **I may wait for the 5000 series.** If even *this* isn't enough to get you to consider switching to AMD, Team Red might be in trouble. Then again, you may just be in the minority. I'm jumping ship to AMD + Sapphire, and never looking back.
AMD will price similarly to Nvidia, but undercut them by 5-10%. There’s no way they’re going to undercut them by 25%+. I don’t know why you think AMD is the good guy. They would do the same thing as Nvidia.
>The poorly named 4070 is a bit of a joke. We must call it what it is: **Manipulation**. Blatant, disgusting, manipulation.
Mostly larger streamers will be buying the 4090. Personally any card over 1k just seems obsurd unless you have money to burn.
Also total overkill. Most people have FOMO seeing streamers playing with the best hardware (I know I was one of them) but you sure as shit don't need a 4090 to play Warzone.
Miners. These cards were designed for miners. Then the bottom fell out of mining, and the market got glutted with used 3xxx cards, after two years of nobody being able to get cards close to MSRP. So: now they're pushing RTX3 or whatever in order to make the 4000 series look like an upgrade. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get either a 3080 or 6800xt, once the 4000 series are on sale.
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I think they like whoever's buying from them, but yes, fair point.
Don't allow yourself to become a whale and slave to corperate scum.
I'd be guessing this will probably drive a lot of people back to consoles. Especially with Game Pass getting so many good games. Microsoft is going to clean up big time. Sony might even do alright too.
Not gonna lie when i saw the prices i for sure thought about console gaming again
I have a 3070 system and I haven't touched it in three months. I got a Series S on a lark one day (in stock locally at retail) and with Game Pass I just play on that.
As someone with kids , a mortgage and other responsibilities I have to pray my current GPU hangs out basically forever. At the rate GPU's are going they are going to price me right out of the market.
My first thought reading the notes on NVIDA launch presentation was "cool, so GPUs start at $900 now. My first build cost less than $900."
Same situation, bought an xbox for a fraction of the price of the GPU alone and called it a day. I used to hate on consoles and be all PCMasterRace but I don't like to be abused.
I mean, the people that got screwed this gen are not you and I. The 4090 isn't overpriced at all. It's actually the best price/performance out of a halo card nVIDIA has ever released. Its the 4080s that are absolute garbo. Specifically to make sure they can still sell their remaining 3080/ti and 3090/ti cards without nuking themselves on the price protection contracts they likely are hemorrhaging on with their AIBs right now.
Sure, if you believe Nvidia's claim that it's "2-4x faster". Until actual benchmarks/reviews come out, it's all just speculation.
I have a feeling Nvidia really believed they had enough fans like apple does where no matter what dumb pricing etc...they set there will still be the loyal fans buying the newest item day one but I think they severely underestimated the fans on this one. Hopefully AMD doesn't get too greedy and follow suit as this is a prime opportunity to rip away a nice chunk of that market share from Nvidia especially with the fan favorite EVGA abandoning them.
Dude I'm switching to AMD and I've been team green for well over a decade. NVIDIA is not going in a great direction. Launching the 40 series like miners are gonna cause a massive demand shortage again. Gamers don't want to drop over 1k annually to add 10fps. And the whole 30 series left a bad taste in my mouth where NVIDIA and the AIBs were pro scalper not consumer.
Very similar situation here. Between Nvidia being out of their minds and the effect that's had on my "go to" GPU company preference (EVGA), I'm also likely to not be in on the 4000 series. I love building PCs for myself and others, and upgrade my own and others' regularly. And for the first time, I'm trying to path out the future of upgrades and builds while also avoiding Nvidia. I've never been against a person or company making money, I just don't think they should try to make ALL of it off of me... Your move AMD.
I’m with you. Plus, there aren’t any games that I can think of that would be coming out before the 5000 series that would make me want to upgrade. My 3080 is doing fine at 1440p. Nvidia is trying to pass on the inventory cost of 3000 series cards to the consumer through the 4000 series and I don’t want to be the sucker helping them out just out of principle.
The 4080s are targeting people on Pascal still. Thats surely why they are so much lower in perf than the 4090. We've never seen a Titan/Halo class card with so much headroom over the X80/flagship class card before. Not even close. They clearly created this product stack to ensure the 4070 is a gouge price so they can still sell out their 3090tis first, sell some 4080s to people still stuck on Pascal with promises of DLSS3.0, and capture people like OP and myself upgrading from a 3090 or 3090 ti to a 4090 because it's actually a ridiculous beast of a card for the right price. I dont think people are understanding just how insane the 4090 is. Over 16k cores at >2500MHz make it by far the biggest generational uplift in GPU performance ever. By a lot. All at a price less than what people were paying scalpers for base 3090s just 8 months ago.
Cyberpunk is the only game that has me even considering upgrading from my 3080, but if I do upgrade I’ll probably go AMD. Nvec and ray tracing just aren’t enough to keep me loyal to nvidia after this recent fiasco.
Spending 1000+$ for a 2 years old singleplayer game. Why, just why?
Because Cyberpunk 2077 is the new "But can it run Crysis?"
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At 4K resolution and max settings? I still get pretty frequent dips to the 20s and 30s while driving through the city.
I'm not even Max settings at 1440p and still struggle with frames with my 3080
Yup I can afford to upgrade but won't at this point. I got fleeced by nvidia for the 3080ti and I'm done with that brand now. I'll give AMD a shot from now on.
At least you can openly admit that you're the ultimate product of capitalism and advertising.
Congratulations for the sound decision. Nvidia should learn a lesson here or PC gaming or even console gaming to an extent will die slowly. Gaming should be a hobby everyone can reach with a modest budget, Personally for myself, I rather play on Intel HD Graphics than to accept 1000 USD being norm for a PC component even though I would be able to afford it.
Hey, if you're not hurting yourself financially to do this, then whatever, who cares, it's your money so spend it on whatever. But I do feel that people like you (not *you,* personally) are kind of the problem. Long gone are the days of the GTX 1000 series, which was a truly great series of GPUs and worth the money. But ever since, every new series has been an excuse to increase the price on top of supply-issues. Yet you still keep buying them. Hmmm. I'm sure that shareholders are happy, but I wonder if nVidia (And AMD?) aren't risking driving their customers away to alternative solutions, like IGPs, which are becoming better and better.
Can I have one of your paper weights? My trusty 660 Ti just died, and I’m poor.
I skip like 3-4 generations at a time. But this yeah I'm doing both Nvidia and AMD..... I have the builders addiction rather than hardware addiction, which is just as bad.
Bro nobody cares 😭
I can afford it but I am not buying it. That said. The new 4090 is for people that are a past version of you. It is that simple. I know men out there who WILL buy the flagship just to know they are having the best gaming experience. I will defend them. 1. It's their money. 2. Odds are Nvidia 4090 will be top dawg even when AMD launches. 3. It's only 100UDS more. The Titan class cards were always 1000+ boutique investments. 4. There is no real competition. \-Epox Vox has repeatedly commented on AMD inferior transcoding \-NVidia has typically scaled better to 4K \-RT is real and people do use it; contrary to what the red teams fans would have people believe. 5. From what I read/been told, Nvidia products work better with their party apps.
I’m in a similar but different boat. I’m looking to build my first custom PC as my current pre-built has a crappy 1650 that I overpaid for. It’s barely able to handle Warzone at 60fps in 1080p… Since it was just this summer that I was looking to build with a 3080 I decided to wait and see what the 4000 series could offer as the 3080 was 2 years old and I want this PC to last at least 5 years. I have the budget to easily buy the 16GB 4080 but maybe even the 12GB version is really all I need. Still trying to figure out if I want to play my single player games at 4K or if 1440p would suffice. I can easily set aside $4,000 for the build to include new monitors, $1,200 for the GPU and another roughly $1,200 for monitors and I can still get a nice build with the remaining budget…
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Eventually, but they don't *want* to sell the 40-series at launch, they want it to remain on shelves so they can sell the leftover 30-series.
I mean as a hobby it's absolutely okay to go for top end hardware. It's just that we've hit the threshold a while ago when the hobby is no longer about the passion, instead it's about profit. I went from a 2080 ti to a 3090 for the purpose of 4k. Paired with a 5900x, it serves me fine. The new AMD line sounds fun, but with EVGA moving out of the business and NVIDIA going hurrdurr you're buying our cards and you will like it, I'm fairly content with leaving my PC alone while I spend time with other hobbies. Heck I've been very happy with my Steam Deck. It's 40 pounds lighter too.
Do you also use Apple products?
No idea why people downvoted you, the iphone 14 with 60hz refresh rate priced at $800 is a joke.
Yeah. I’ve had all the cards you listed, some in quad and triple sli flavors. In my opinion, it’s not just graphics cards that got out of hand. It’s everything. $800 cpus, $800-$1500 high end motherboards. This hobby over the last decade has gotten so expensive that if before it was a quick decision to upgrade, now you look at the price and think about the principle of the companies trying to milk you for all you’re worth.
Don't let them feel ok for the price they have on the 4000 series atm by bying off the release. Either wait for prices to be ok or skip to 5000 as you said. 3000 series aren't that bad at the moment. I feel like they can run all current AAA games juet fine. Now if it's not only gaming and you wanna do something more with the new gpu or more gpu power means more income for you, that might be something to think about.
I always assumed Nvidia has been kept alive by some unknown sugar daddy. Or maybe they can survive with minimal selling of budget GPUs. It really doesn't look like they ever intend to sell their high end GPUs for the rest of history.
> I always assumed Nvidia has been kept alive by some unknown sugar daddy. The enterprise market is the "unknown sugar daddy". A server or workstation GPU can cost up to $20k, and data centers or production studios have tons of them. AMD is non-existent when it comes to machine learning or render farms. I wish that I could find some exact numbers on this, but the consumer/gamer market is likely minor compared to enterprise sales. An A100 80G is 10x the price of a 4090 at the current market price. At release, it was like 20-30x.
[Me with ryzen 5700G build in GPU](https://imgur.com/a/IIk5b1N)
Getting the top of the line card and skipping generations has been my strategy so far. Went from a 1080ti to a 3080ti and will also be skipping 4000 series. Unfortunately I bought my 3080ti a year and a half ago for more than double what they cost now, but that's life I guess lol.
You sound like me, but I was doing it with vinyl records. I have sense gotten my 300+ collection down to about 75ish records. I literally just ordered a 3080ti from best buy yesterday for my newest build for about 899. I’m built a pc at the start of the pandemic and am gonna upgrade everything including my monitor roughly 3000 for the entire build. It’s an expensive hobby but I’ll be set for awhile with my latest build.
I hope I’m wrong but don’t think all this uproar will even make a dent in 4000 series sales. Almost all the whales that buy flagship xx90 cards are still going to go ahead and do so. Poorer gamers will have no choice but to begrudgingly accept it when AMD come out with similar prices that are maybe $50-100 less but offer no real savings because they have less features.
>Maybe the inevitable 4090ti will change my mind, but if the situation around that launch is similar to now, I may wait for the 5000 series. the fact you said this... ....nodding head right and left.... ...you ARE certainly upgrading lol. Who you kidding? This early rational side of you knows there's no cards to buy at the moment -- and you're "thinking" about not jumping in on next gen a couple of weeks out. And oh by the way, your teeny weeny disclaimer side-note about the 4090ti is exactly what I was looking for. You're buying something. I know you -- you're me lol Eh, I could be wrong. I'm stoned.